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By Stephen Boykewich in the Turkish Daily News:
One of the fiercest enemies Russia ever saw, Dagestani resistance leader Imam Shamil helped launch a holy war in this mountain village in 1829 -- and from the shouting in the street, the struggle is not yet over."If you want a war, declare a war, but this is mockery!" cried Patima, a woman in her 50s who appeared on a cobbled lane beside the mosque that villagers said Imam Shamil had helped build with his own hands.
Elite police troops had raided the town two nights before, demonstrating that in Imam Shamil's birthplace, his anti-Russian battle was as fresh to the authorities as it was to the villagers.
Magomed Ibraimov, the pot-bellied deputy head of the village administration, first denied there had been a raid, then relented as villagers accosted him.
Special forces targeted Ghimri "because Imam Shamil and Imam Gazimagomed grew up here," he told AFP, referring to the village's most famous son and his childhood friend and fellow "freedom fighter."
"They began the very first war against Russia, they started it all, and that's why everybody wants to find something here."
Today's Russian authorities say they are combating separatists and Muslim radicals in the North Caucasus, all the way from Kabardino-Balkaria to Ingushetia, Chechnya and Dagestan.
[...]
Residents said special forces had filled the night with machinegun fire and dragged three young men out into the steep, winding lanes of the village of 3,600. They said the three hadn't been heard from since.
"There was no reason for it, no evidence, and it wasn't the first time. We're sick of this!" Fatima said. "Three grandmothers -- forgive me for saying this -- pissed themselves from fear at the sound of the machine guns. My 72-year-old mother nearly died of fright."
Ibraimov insisted that the radical Islam advocated by Imam Shamil had not taken root, as did Ruslan Dzhamalov, a federal migration service official based in Ghimri. But Dzhamalov also said Imam Shamil cast a long shadow there.
"It's historical," he said. "We Dagestanis never forget our history."
[...]
While Dagestan never saw the separatist fighting in the post-Soviet era that engulfed Chechnya from 1994-96 and again from 1999, guerrillas still carry out dozens of attacks each year, mostly against police.A Chechen namesake of the 19th century imam, Shamil Basayev, often crossed the border into the Dagestani mountains before his death last year.
Officials and residents in Ghimri denied there were guerrillas there, referring cryptically to "two or three bad seeds."
A source close to law enforcement in the regional capital Makhachkala, however, said Islamist groups were deeply rooted in Ghimri, and that the raid had been ordered to secure the area before a delegation of foreign journalists were brought to the region.
"They are there," he said of the guerrillas. "They haven't all been caught, and they won't be."
And while most Dagestanis say they cannot imagine a life independent from Moscow, which provides 70 percent of the poverty-stricken region's budget, many grow uneasy when asked whether Imam Shamil was right to surrender in 1859 and cede control of the region to Russia.
"We're not saying he struggled in vain," said Eduard Urazayev, the region's minister for nationalities, choosing his words carefully. "But in the end, life is quieter and more stable for us under Russia's wing. We put our confidence in that."
Posted by Greg at April 22, 2007 1:24 AM
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In any case, the assassinated Litvenko of Polonium 210 fame in London stated time and again that the FSB, (KGB) was behind the "Muslim" uprising in Russia proper and greater in order for Putin to cement his dictatorial rule of the old order of the communist Bolsheviks.
Beslan according to Litvenko was a staged FSB operation in practice.
In noting that, the fact remains that the original Muslim was trounced by Russia as there was no Muslim Orthdox Mosque of Russia just as these tit for tat attacks accomplish nothing but cement Putin's power as much as Chechnya was leveled and by miracle like Putin popping out of the Church doors on Easter arisen.......there just have been no more major attacks in the Bolshevik Russia.
Compared to nukes proliferating in Iran Islamocommunism, Hamas Isalmocommunism now going to hit American targets and kidnap Jews and the pesky America left has now cleverly started to get America removed from Iraq with all that oil......Saudi Arabia seeing the American betrayal has cozied up to Putin and Iran is Putin's proxy.
Somehow Putin fighting a fake war on terror has got Iran oil, Russian oil, is getting control of Saudi oil due to the American majority and is soon to get complete control of Iraqi oil again.
America of course gets nothing, and I mean those Americans who understood Iraq's purpose, and that is exactly the way in chess Putin reaches checkmate on America.
It certainly helps having American pawns working for Russia and Islamocommunism.
Stephen Boykewich is such the clever comrade writing for the Moscow Times getting his propaganda posted here having been editor of the Latter Day Saints, Mormons, Meridian Magazine.
Guess it is all coincidence.
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at April 22, 2007 2:31 AM
Wasn't Shamil Bassayev[notorious for Beslan & Hospital Hostages among many other murders]thrown out of Dagestan with his Arabian buddy when they went to spread Jihad from Chechnya?
Seems like Dagestanis & Russia understand value of Jizya-strange how these Muslim Paradises are always poverty stricken.
Also understand the region was NOT Muslim until
late 17th Century-as usual Murderous Mo & his pedophile inclinations seem to bring out the worst in people,eh.
at April 22, 2007 4:00 AM
Russian democracy has been hijacked by former KGB operatives like that weasel Vladimir Putrid. They are playing a cynical game of trying to screw the West by arming Islamo-fascist entities like Syria and Iran, while brutally supressing Islamic separatism at home. For example, the Chechen city of Grozhny was carpet-bombed into oblivion a few years ago, killing many civilians.
The best course of action would be to support the Muslim separatists as a means of further breaking up Russia, since the Muslim regimes in the Caucasus do not pose the strategic, high-tech threat that Russia does.
at April 22, 2007 4:26 AM
jewdog the west has already tried breaking russia up already using islamic separatist before russia ever started helping iran at the same time USA put nuclear weapons in Turkey facing russia.
you deserve what you get jewdog you and all the other anti christian orthodox scumbags maybe russia is doing the right thing by helping iran to make the west weak since all the west does is help Turks and muslims to kill orthodox christians if the west is weak maybe its in orthodox christians interest serbs can take back kosovo with out the usa there to defend the albanians maybe greeks can take back Cyprus the only people who have ever tried to stop us from defending ourselfs from muslims is the west since the crusader times i hope the west does fall then when we kick the turks butt again there will be no western power there to defend them.
Posted by: Greek Gurl at April 22, 2007 8:17 AM
'...freedom fighter...', '...resistance leader...'
Jeeze, how can anyone with a brain still use these terms un-ironically?
Posted by: Dane at April 22, 2007 8:23 AM
We Dagestanis never forget our history.", apparently they only remember the selected parts and not when muslims raided and killed or forced conversion of their ancestors to islam. they previous Christians lost their memories up to that point.
Greek Gurl l would like to think you would work with all non muslims to fight islam?
at April 22, 2007 8:29 AM
Jewdog
Am surprised & disappointed by your barking...
Has America learnt NOTHING from supporting the
Taliban & Albanian thugs-yeah go ahead arm & fund
them -then their gratitude comes back in bombs on
naive,stupid Infidels! Not just on Serbs,Greeks,
Macedonians or Russians but on AMERICANS whom Muslims abhor no matter how much Jizya Yanks pay 'em.
Am sure CIA & NGO's like those funded by Soros,
have done their best to destabilize Russia just like they did in Balkans. But a note of warning here. Napoleon believed he could easily conquer Russia and we know how scornful Hitler was of the 'Slavs' : both lived to regret their choices.
Whilst America is haemorrhaging on two fronts with enormous debts,Russia's economy grows daily
along with China & India.Don't let arrogance blind you to reality.Remember,Israel needs all the friends it can get not more enemies.
You are indeed a fool if you trust or expect gratitude from Muslims.
at April 22, 2007 8:52 AM
Hmmm, which to support - the Muslim terrorists who ruthlessly kill innocent Russian children as in Beslan, or the Russian governmant, which has nuclear weaponry and lends high-tech logistcal support to Islamo-fascist regimes? I admit, it's a lousy choice. But, I just think that Russia needs to go down first. Then we'll deal with the Muslims.
Muslims are backward technologically, so they pose less of a threat than the Russians.
The best solution? A real democracy in Russia, and that should be our ultimate aim.
at April 22, 2007 9:07 AM
zenawarriorprincess
Greek Gurl l would like to think you would work with all non muslims to fight islam?
why should i work with people who want orthodox christians countrys to go down? i dont care if they are anti muslim I will not support anyone who is anti russian or anti greek Cypriot or anti serb if it wasnt for the west kosovo would be christian cyprus would not be divided and christians in iraq would not be getting wiped out there is no such thing as christian solidarity i dont care what people say on this site in reality the western goverment hates russia and other orthodox christian countrys and wants them to go down with the help of muslim Turks at least jewdog is honest about what his goverment is doing and doest lie so maybe if thats what the west wants to help islamics break up russia then maybe russia has a right to help iran against the west if russia has to protect itself by making the west weak so the west doest make russia weaker then so be it at the end of the day iran has not threatened russia or any other orthodox christian country
Posted by: Greek Gurl at April 22, 2007 10:04 AM
I think we can ignore Lame Cherry's senile anachronistic Cold War ramblings. Except to say that Litvinenko was an employee of the 'Oligarch', Boris Berezovskiy. Berezovskiy amassed billions by thieving and contract-killing his way to political influence in the Yeltsin years. (Forbes magazine described him, more or less correctly, as the 'Godfather of the Kremlin'). When Putin started to crack down on the 'Oligarchs' (i.e. billionaires who think that the huge amounts of money they stole during the chaos of the early 1990s gives them a right to political influence (a situation that 'Jewdog' perversely describes as 'democracy')), Berezovskiy went into exile in London, escaping fraud and embezzlement charges and scandalously being given political asylum by the Brits. Berezovskiy and his employee Litvinenko both had business contacts and friendships with Chechen terrorists ('Lame Brained Cherry' thinks such terrorists don't exist and that their acts of mass murder against Russian people (including children) are really done by the Russians themselves, a conspiracy theory as idiotic as the one about Zionists being behind 9/11).
Posted by: schmegel at April 22, 2007 10:33 AM
'Jewdog' wrote:
"Russian democracy has been hijacked by former KGB operatives like that weasel Vladimir Putrid. They are playing a cynical game of trying to screw the West by arming Islamo-fascist entities like Syria and Iran...
The best course of action would be to support the Muslim separatists as a means of further breaking up Russia, since the Muslim regimes in the Caucasus do not pose the strategic, high-tech threat that Russia does."
That last sentence expresses the quintessence of the reason why the vast majority of Russian people see America as public enemy number one, as the biggest threat to themselves and their country. It also demonstrates the general attitude of extreme right-wing American conservatives to the global Jihad: i.e. Islamic terrorism may be unpleasant, but it is not a geo-political threat, and so can be co-opted against the real threat to American global hegemony, a resurgent Russia.
As for Russian contacts with Iran and the much-maligned Syria, do I need to remind you that Saudi Arabia is a client state of America? The 9/11 terrorists were Saudi, not Iranian or Syrian.
American neo con. extreme rightists like 'Jewdog', are not against the Jihad on moral grounds. They will positively support it if they think it's in their geo-political or economic interests.
The commenter calling him/herself 'Jewdog' has explicitly argued that America should support the shooting in the back of hundreds of children (Beslan), because it is in America's geo-political interests. 'Jewdog' is therefore the lowest form of moral reptile.
at April 22, 2007 11:03 AM
Excellent posting schmegel:
What's most amazing about jewdog's ranting is the fact that at the same time another post on jihadwatch says: "Acting Speaker of Palestinian Legislative Council: Kill Jews and Americans "to the very last one", but still jewdog hates the Russians so much, so he would rather fight them than scum that want to exterminate all Americans and Jews.
at April 22, 2007 11:40 AM
jewdog posted
Muslims are backward technologically, so they pose less of a threat than the Russians.
The best solution? A real democracy in Russia, and that should be our ultimate aim
you mean the same type of democracy that america is trying to bring in iraq which is drop bombs kill thousands of iraqis and bring sharia law in the iraqi constitution and let the muslims wipe assyrian christians out? while all the west does in iraq is try and secure the oil pipe lines?
Posted by: Greek Gurl at April 22, 2007 12:06 PM
Re: Muslim freedom fighter stirs pride, fear in Russia
During World War II Stalin had to forcibly remove the people in the region to Siberia because of their Nazi sympathisers. "The more things change, the more they remain the same".
at April 22, 2007 12:40 PM
Shmegel misunderstands me - I do not support the Islamic terrorists when they kill Russian children. I do support them, however, when they help to dismember Russia, which is reemerging as a major opponent of the moderate forces in the Mideast.
If people think that the US is going to sit back and let the Mideast fall under Russian influence via radical jihadist regimes, then they are very mistaken.
Osama bin Laden may be a cad, but he and his pals did a wonderful job in Afghanistan and were key in bring down the Soviet Union. The enemy of my enemy is my friend, for a while anyway.
at April 22, 2007 12:43 PM
So jewdog supports Islamic terrorism.
Thanks for the heads up JD.
The friend of my enemy is my enemy.
Posted by: profitsbeard at April 22, 2007 1:17 PM
Well said Schmegel! Next to Israel and Sebia, Russia is the primary target of the jihad. In fact, more Russians have been murdered by Islamic terrorists than any other nationality.
Posted by: Provoslavni at April 22, 2007 4:17 PM
Greek Gurl:
Careful what you wish for. You just might get it.
Posted by: PMK at April 22, 2007 8:36 PM
Greekgurl
I don't agree with Jewdog that Russia is a greater enemy than the ummah, but why do you think that Iran, or any Muslim entity, is a better friend of Russia than the 'evil' West?
Posted by: Infidel Pride at April 23, 2007 12:36 AM
infidel pride
Greekgurl
I don't agree with Jewdog that Russia is a greater enemy than the ummah, but why do you think that Iran, or any Muslim entity, is a better friend of Russia than the 'evil' West?
well you might not agree with jewdog now but did you agree with jewboy when the ummah was fighting russia in afganistan?
I dont think iran or any other muslim country is a better freind to russia then the evil west but the muslims and evil west have one thing in common they would love to see russia break up to suit there interest the muslims would like to make some russian states become islamic and the usa wants those broken up states so it can go in there take the oil and resources from those countrys and to weaken russia. Also not to mention the fact the West is anti orthodox christian to. I dont think its good that russia has to help Iran but russia also has to think about its interest and security to and if that means helping the iran to get the west of its back I can understand why russia is doing it
Posted by: Greek Gurl at April 23, 2007 2:37 PM
Russia is a friend to Iran because it sells them Weapons. let the Iranians find out if they work or not.
Posted by: flowerknife_us at April 23, 2007 2:59 PM
well you might not agree with jewdog now but did you agree with jewboy when the ummah was fighting russia in afganistan?Make that the Soviet Union. Actually, I didn't (since it meant Pakistan getting armed against India), but keep in mind that during the Cold War, the Soviets were allies of the Muslims against Israel. So having the Soviets and Afghans fight each other, and all Jihadi resources diverted to Afghanistan was partly a good thing: amongst other things, it hastened the break-up of the Soviet Union. Unfortunately, while that meant Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, Ukraine becoming independent, it also meant that Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan became independent as well.
The Soviet Union had a project to spread Communism around the world, which wasn't worse than spreading Islam, but close. Russia has no such ambitions: their designs on Ukraine and Belarus are more historically motivated (since Kiev was the birthplace of the Rus). But there aren't Russian attempts to have puppet regimes in Angola or Laos the way there was during the Cold War. However, the Russian support to Syria and Iran against Israel has been nothing but disturbing.
I dont think iran or any other muslim country is a better freind to russia then the evil west but the muslims and evil west have one thing in common they would love to see russia break up to suit there interest the muslims would like to make some russian states become islamic and the usa wants those broken up states so it can go in there take the oil and resources from those countrys and to weaken russia. Also not to mention the fact the West is anti orthodox christian to. I dont think its good that russia has to help Iran but russia also has to think about its interest and security to and if that means helping the iran to get the west of its back I can understand why russia is doing itWestern enemity towards Russia is an unfortunate hangover from the Cold War, and I agree with you that it is understandable that Russia is trying to politically undermine the West. At the same time, I do wish that they took on the West directly, rather than try and undermine Israel by supporting Syria. For instance, why didn't Russia declare war on NATO when they were bombing Serbia? Why doesn't Russia now send peacekeeping troops to Kosovo? If they did, do you think that the US could do squat about it? They can't even do anything against Iran, given how tied down they are in Iraq. Plus they are more dependent on Russia for oil: they can't decrease their supply from Russia and Venezuela and increase their supply from KSA and Iraq. So Moscow could have the State Department by the balls if they wanted. And it's not like the EU/NATO has any military that could defeat the Russians.
I consider this animosity between Eastern Orthodox Christianity vs Western Christianity/Judaism unfortunate, since neither of them stand to be better off by weakening each other vis a vis Islam. It reminds one of the wars between the Sassanids and the Byzantines, with the result that the Arab Jihadis had a cakewalk as they overran both empires and conquered terretory from Spain to Turkestan.
Posted by: Infidel Pride at April 23, 2007 7:39 PM
infidel pride
Western enemity towards Russia is an unfortunate hangover from the Cold War, and I agree with you that it is understandable that Russia is trying to politically undermine the West. At the same time, I do wish that they took on the West directly, rather than try and undermine Israel by supporting Syria. For instance, why didn't Russia declare war on NATO when they were bombing Serbia? Why doesn't Russia now send peacekeeping troops to Kosovo? If they did, do you think that the US could do squat about it? They can't even do anything against Iran, given how tied down they are in Iraq. Plus they are more dependent on Russia for oil: they can't decrease their supply from Russia and Venezuela and increase their supply from KSA and Iraq. So Moscow could have the State Department by the balls if they wanted. And it's not like the EU/NATO has any military that could defeat the Russians.
infidel pride i dont know why russia didnt declare war on NATO i think they should have becuase i dont think NATO would have risked a big war for kosovo but as for peace keepers russia did send some peace keepers to kosovo to protect some serbs and clinton was mad about it there is a link to the story here http://www.bulgaria-italia.com/fry/russians.htm
as for america it prefers to get its oil from KSA and Iraq rather then russia becuase its cheaper since the newly iraqi islamic goverment in iraq happens to be very freindly with america as for russia supporting syria against isreal i dont believe russia is supporting syria because it is anti isreal russia is just selling missles to make money. But if your right that russia is supporting syria and iran because it is anti isreal then for what reason is russia anti Isreal for?
Posted by: Greek Gurl at April 24, 2007 3:12 PM
could be why russia told forgieners to say in their rooms this week??
Thought it a bit hokie about hitlers birthday in all??
So maybe that is why Gates was singing a different toon about russia bit the MSM is locked in the deffet but that is like the General said the press is stuck on stupid!!!
Words to live by the MSM press is stuck on stupid!!
Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM OPEN THE WORLDS EYES TO THEIR EVIL TO HELP THE WORLD STAND STRONG AGAINST THIS EVIL AMEN
at April 24, 2007 8:28 PM
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