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All of the dead appear to be Yazidis, apparently killed in revenge after a Yazidi woman who converted to Islam was stoned to death by relatives. In response, the gunmen killed 23 Yazidis, and one can't rule out further reprisals. "Gunmen kill 23 from tiny sect in Iraq," by Lauren Frayer for The Associated Press:
BAGHDAD - Gunmen in northern Iraq stopped a bus filled with Christians and members of a tiny, mostly Kurdish religious sect on Sunday, police said, separating out the groups and taking 23 of the passengers away to be shot.
The attack came on a violent day in Baghdad, with at least 20 people killed in car bombings, most in a double suicide strike against a police station in a religiously mixed neighborhood.
Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, on a tour abroad to ask the Arab world's Sunni-led governments to help his struggling government stop the violence in Iraq, said he told Egypt's president that Iraq's reality is "not a civil or sectarian war."
Police said the execution-style killings of the Yazidis — a primarily Kurdish sect that worships an angel figure considered to be the devil by some Muslims and Christians — appeared to be in response to the stoning death of a Yazidi woman who had recently converted to Islam.
In the northern Iraq killings, armed men in several cars stopped the bus as it was carrying workers from the Mosul Textile Factory to their hometown of Bashika, which has a mixed population of Christians and Yazidis.
The gunmen checked passengers' identification, then asked the Christians to get off the bus, said police Brig. Mohammed al-Wagga.
With the Yazidis still inside, the gunmen drove them to eastern Mosul, where they were lined up along a wall and shot to death, al-Wagga said.
After the killings, hundreds of Yazidis took to the streets of Bashika, a town in Ninevah province that is 80 percent Yazidi, 15 percent Christian and about five percent Muslim. Shops were shuttered and many Muslims closed themselves in their homes, fearing reprisal attacks.
Abdul-Karim Khalaf, a provincial police spokesman said the executions were in response to the killing two weeks ago of a Yazidi woman who had recently converted to Islam after she fell in love with a Muslim and ran off with him.
Disapproving relatives dragged her back to Bashika, where she was stoned to death, he said. A grainy video showing gruesome scenes of the stoning was distributed on Iraqi Web sites in recent weeks.
A Muslim man who said he released from the bus with six Christians said 10 gunmen stopped the vehicle, then ordered the driver to steer it into a narrow alley, where they ordered the passengers off and separated them according to their identification cards, which indicate the holders' religion.
"Then they asked the Yazidis to get back on the bus. The gunmen started to shout 'God curse your devil' and they were telling the Yazidis that 'It is not your business if the woman decided to convert to Islam," said the passenger, Mustafa Ali Mustafa.
Posted by Marisol at April 22, 2007 2:20 PM
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Gunmen today stopped a truck carrying people in a border skirmish which left several unreported dead due to it being a Mexican American narco war.
It had been a violent day in numerous American cities with rapes in Dallas, beatings in Atlanta and murders in Los Angeles.....
American politicians said nothing. American press said nothing and no blogs were written about the violence permeating America from so many fronts.
*Context is why Iraq death and violence in lesser numbers is a "violent day" and yet in greater mayhem America no headlines abound.
If America must get out of Iraq, then America must get out of America as this is the mandated criteria.
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at April 22, 2007 2:38 PM
Wow, can you save primitive? Imagine killing people over this idiocy.
Maybe the best way to civilize Iraq would be to have Americans colonize it. We may have our faults, but I'll take Britney Spears any day over traditional values like these.
at April 22, 2007 2:45 PM
"not a civil or sectarian war." Nouri al-Maliki
What is his definition of a civil war or sectarian war?
In fact what does Georgicus Maximus think constitutes a civil war?
Posted by: greatcometof1577 at April 22, 2007 2:45 PM
OT
JW'ers in the Phoenix metro area may want to attend the following Taqiya fest for purposes of exposing the truth. The fest is tomorrow evening.
nabi ZK
>>>details>>>
April 20, 2007
Forum examines faith's link to terrorism
Few issues awaken passions as consistently and as strongly as the debate over religion, and how it shapes an individual's beliefs, traditions, justice and the dignity of human life. On April 23, ASU's Department of Integrative Studies presents the first “Conflict or Common Ground? Evangelical, Jewish, Muslim Perspectives” forum.
The forum, moderated by Owen Anderson, an assistant professor in the Department of Integrative Studies, opens with a reception at 6:30 p.m. at La Sala on the West campus. The event is free and open to the public.
The forum features three guest speakers, including Malcolm R. Hartnell, representing Christianity; Hava Tirosh-Samuelson, representing Judaism; and Marwan Sadeddin, representing Islam. This group of experts will discuss their faiths and how they are related to issues such as terrorism, the use of force, and violence in the name of God.
Following the guest speakers' presentations, the program will include a discussion, and a question-and-answer session. The panel will address, among other things, who they hold as their highest authority of faith; whether using violent means for protecting or advancing their faith is justified; and whether their authority condones the use of violence to justify war, terrorism, or taking the life of another human being.
Hartnell is a former pastor and current instructor of Intercultural Studies and Evangelism at Phoenix Seminary. He is enrolled in a doctoral program at Fuller Theological Seminary. Hartnell served with WorldVenture as a missionary in Kenya for 17 years. His primary focus was evangelism and church planting among a Muslim group called the Digo. For six years, Hartnell served as Kenya field chairman and as pastor of a multiethnic church in Mombasa for two years. He is serving as an international resource consultant with WorldVenture in addition to teaching at Phoenix Seminary.
Tirosh-Samuelson is an ASU history professor who writes on Jewish intellectual history with a focus on philosophy and mysticism in pre-modern Judaism, the cultural interaction between Judaism, Christianity, and Islam in the Middle Ages, feminist philosophy, Judaism and ecology, and religion and science. Born and educated in Kibbutz Afikim, Israel, she holds a bachelor's degree in religious studies from SUNY Stony Brook, and a doctorate in Jewish philosophy and kabbalah from the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. She has taught at Hebrew Union College, Columbia University, Emory University and Indiana University . Additionally, she was a visiting fellow and scholar at Oxford University.
Born in Syria, Sadeddin lived in Syria and Egypt as well as other Arab countries, and graduated from Ain Shams University in Egypt with a bachelor's degree in Arabic literature. He holds two master's degrees, one in literature and one in Islamic studies. He migrated to the United States 21 years ago, and earned his doctorate from the University of Arizona in Middle Eastern studies and Islamic thought. He worked as an imam (spiritual leader) in different Islamic centers and serves as chair coordinator of the Imams Council of Arizona. He also is a member in several nationwide Islamic organizations and federations.
at April 22, 2007 2:52 PM
Lame Cherry
What silly logic. American volence is our own problem. If we spent some of the endless wasted cash on AMERICAN CITIES or securing a tax cut and not on ungrateful savages in Iraq maybe we would not have some of those problems. Maybe we could create more jobs with a tax cut or perhaps spend some of that money checking our borders. No way because the Arabian Lords demand action! Dance George! Dance!
In fact I could name several other things like giving cash and weapons to Pakistan and Egypt.
Also when was the last time a car bomb blew up a major intersection in the US or a report of 50 dead Americans in a ditch with no heads because the Methodist are mad at the Baptist.
Lets put that theory to the test...
In 2005 there were around 16-17,000 murders in the US. Now the deaths in Iraq this year alone have to be over 5,000 (counting only Iraqi civilians only). Now you can say those numbers can't be 100% proven but lets assume that the death toll is the same as in America at around 16,000-17,000 per year (we all know it will be more then that in Iraq) it is still a dumb argument because the American population is almost 300 million and Iraq has only about 26-27 million.
Iraq is a stupid military adventure to make muslims love life and democracy. Both of which they despise by their own words. To bring a magical stability to a place that was never really stable. Stop with the propaganda. Unless you are willing to kill the entire religious community (all the clerics, Imams etc) and force a secular world view on them by the end of a gun then you will not have peace in that hell hole.
If you are not willing and it is clear the President is not willing then lets get out and let them sort it out which should be fun to watch for this non-muslim. Of course we will help the Kurds get their revenge (the enemy of my enemy is my friend (for now)).
Also anyone who advocates the "honey pot" strategy should be removed from office. No military history book or strategy offered by anyone of any note throughout the history of man has ever advocated such dumb idea. Lets fight a endless war in Iraq with a hope they will come to Iraq and not the USA.
I would like to ask anyone who thinks that way how will they come to the U.S. By teleportation? By jet boats?
Oh I know one way they will get in!!!!
Our president keeps letting them in through the idiotic immigration policies he keeps pushing for. Now what does staying Iraq going to do to prevent them just immigrating to the U.S.? Going to our local embassy and throwing down some cash...and presto chango he gets into the USA.
Its is mystery this country functions at all with the logic of our leaders...
Posted by: greatcometof1577
at April 22, 2007 3:25 PM
One side sounds just as bad as the other in this mess. However, I'd say that the people who deserved to die were those who stoned/murdered the original victim.
Are there ANY sane people in the Middle East, any at all?
at April 22, 2007 3:28 PM
I left out a word from my manifesto above (the all caps word)
In fact I could name several other things like NOT giving cash and weapons to Pakistan and Egypt.
at April 22, 2007 3:28 PM
Dammit zonie, there's nothing like this in the Bay Area. Now I'll never get the chance to test out my new weapons, i.e. what I have learnt from this website. And I have to go to Colorado Springs in 3 weeks. Nothing there either. I guess I'll have to wait for the next semester.
Posted by: wrathofasma at April 22, 2007 3:29 PM
Lame Cherry has perfet logic when you see how the media does ignore all the deaths by gunfire, etc in the US cities, do they call for police to leave the cities? makes perfect sense if you see the biased media telling you to leave becuase of all the killings in iraq, why not see how the media for what it is! \
you know you people need to realize the media is biased, and you keep falling in it hook line and sinker. how well would the US and allies done during WW2 with this present day media? my God, look at the deaths at one battle! The US needs Iraq as a base, use up their oil and control oil in the ME for your living standards, until a viable alternaive , would you people rather peddle bikes to work?
at April 22, 2007 3:39 PM
They (yazidiz) killed a Muslim revert woman?
Wipe 'em out!!!
at April 22, 2007 3:50 PM
Abdullah,
In fairness, does that mean you will accept calls for the extermination of Muslims if a Muslim kills someone who has converted to Christianity?
Sometimes I think you are such a stereotype that you have to be Hugh's sock puppet. Then I realize that Hugh would make a much better sock puppet
Posted by: PapaBear at April 22, 2007 4:15 PM
greatcometof1577,
5000 murders in a population of 25 million is 20 homicides per 100K
In 2006, Philadelphia had 406 murders out of a population of 1.5 million, or 27 per 100K. The vast majority of those homicides are blacks killing other blacks (83%), so the black homicide rate is 335 homicides divided into the 656K black population gives 52 homicides per 100K. So it is more dangerous to live in Philadelphia than in Iraq.
The White rate (which is inflated because it includes hispanics) is 9 per 100K, and this is in the murder capital of the US
My point: likelyhood to commit murder varies by ethnicity, race, and culture. Europe is discovering that the influx of Muslim immigrants is also creating a climate of crime similar to where the immigrants came from.
Somalia is not a chunk of land in Africa. Somalia is where the Somalis are
Posted by: PapaBear at April 22, 2007 4:31 PM
No I would not.
Posted by: Abdullah at April 22, 2007 5:02 PM
Abdullah sounds like a very spoiled child as he parrots all the muslim talking points, trying oh to sound very manly, but sounding to us very childish indeed.
There is no thought, no heart in his little one liners, l think Abdullah is very bored and needs a good spanking.
at April 22, 2007 6:25 PM
Yet another lesson in why putting a person's religious affiliation on their official government ID card is a really bad idea. So bad that only Islamic countries seem to do it, since it makes it easier for Muslims to execute non-Muslims.
Posted by: aynrandgirl at April 22, 2007 6:29 PM
PapaBear
"So it is more dangerous to live in Philadelphia than in Iraq."
God have mercy..
Lets test that theory. I will go to the hood in Philadelphia and live there for one year and you can go to Bagdad and live there one year and see who gets out alive. I know one thing I will at least keep my head.
Also it is bad analogy to pick out a major U.S. city and compare to Iraq. That is a city to country comparison. A better analogy would be to compare a large Iraqi city like Mosul or Fallujah to Philadelphia.
One last time lets make this clear. Philadelphia is an American city with Americans. That is our responsibility. Iraq is a nation of ethnic and religious groups/tribes who the majority of which happen to belong to a faith that is anti-western and anti-modern. That is NOT our responsibility.
It is not up to us to make these savages get along. Our goal should only be to weaken and defeat their culture, religion and legal system. We are not doing that now in Iraq. It is clear if we leave they will fight it out with each other. That would help us accomplish some of those goals.
So why continue to be there?
Posted by: greatcometof1577 at April 22, 2007 6:34 PM
Abdullah, are you a Muslim or a plant to reinforce these misguided people's views?
Fear Allah, for every soul you influence against Islam who might otherwise have reevaluated their views, their sins will be on your account on The Day of Judgement, and Allah knows best.
at April 22, 2007 6:52 PM
Is anybody here in the U.S. aware of the soldiers poisoned in Iraq?
Take your pick of which country you want to read it from?
Seems every other country knows.
at April 22, 2007 8:24 PM
Rotten coward bastards! Allah must be the anti-Christ!
Posted by: MZ at April 22, 2007 8:44 PM
That is just not the way you get someone to believe in what ever the message of allah and the quran is saying?!!*****@((((:~{>> where did I see this?!- says enough!
Posted by: MZ at April 22, 2007 8:49 PM
This is a hoot - Maryam upbraiding Abdullah for 'influencing souls against Islam'. Abdullah, you've been insulted and accused of being a traitor to Islam. Now, you know how to respond to that, don't you?
Abdullah, Maryam is probably a Shiite (how do you spell that again?) practicing taquiyya. Tell her what to do with her advice - we know that you alone preach and practice true Islam, and Maryam is simply a taquiyya artist guiding us towards the path of disbelief.
Abdullah and Naseem should never be banned. Maryam, I'm not so sure.
Posted by: Infidel Pride at April 22, 2007 9:12 PM
Abdullah
I forgot - Maryam could even be an Alawite!
Posted by: Infidel Pride at April 22, 2007 9:13 PM
Let's see,,looked it up in the queran it says to shoot him! This book is easy to understand just shoot everyone! The book of knowledge; look it up it says; shoot them, cut their head off, bury them up to their head and stone them, tnt them-, just KILLL EMMMM!!! PEACE in the name of islam!
Posted by: MZ at April 22, 2007 9:38 PM
Condoleezza Rice is urging Iran to join her at a high-level conference on the future of Iraq next week, signalling that Washington is now ready for a serious exchange of views with Tehran after several months of resisting Iran’s advances in the region.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/3f96545e-f0f9-11db-838b-000b5df10621.html
Senator Schumer was pushing for a ‘change in mission’ to ‘counter terror’, i.e. keep them from organizing on the talking head shows today. We would be foolish to not keep an airbase in Northern Iraq.
I used to think Condoleezza was pretty sharp. She sure didn’t hold up well to the real world.
at April 22, 2007 9:49 PM
She didn't even say Last Time! ?
Posted by: MZ at April 22, 2007 9:56 PM
Wow! So let me get this straight. Mo's demons dislike Yazidis demons?
Interesting. Never thought that there would be a civil war between colonies of demons and their worshipers.
So then there's a struggle for power even amongst the fallen angels and their possessed.
at April 22, 2007 10:04 PM
So then there's a struggle for power even amongst the fallen angels and their possessed.
This could explain why muslims kill muslims on a regular basis.
Posted by: The Goobs at April 22, 2007 10:06 PM
Are Yazidis Muslims?
Posted by: Infidel Pride at April 22, 2007 10:08 PM
Crazy new style killing crazy old style.
"Everybody must get stoned..."- Nabi Zimmerman.
Posted by: profitsbeard at April 22, 2007 10:45 PM
Are Yazidis Muslims?
They are not Moslems. I first heard about them in an Agatha Christie book about her time in Syria and Iraq with her archeologist husband in the 30's(unfortunately,I've forgotton the title). I've seen the groups name also spelled as Ysidi. I know they're not allowed to eat lettuce. In her writings she also speaks of the local Moslems disregard of death, and the corruption of the tribes,although she seemed to like them very much.In fact the only religious group in the area she disapproved of was Christian (too Popish-like for her).
at April 22, 2007 11:22 PM
Maryam does have a nice name but Im not so sure, she probably has a weird perception on Islam. I see where my sister in Islam is coming from. She is asking me to show you guys the love and mercy within Islam, there is plenty of it if you revert only but I will still treat you with kindness and respect though not love.....And answer is yes, im a muslim
Posted by: Abdullah at April 23, 2007 12:35 AM
How's that surge going, George? We don't hear much about it these days.
Posted by: Charles Bogle at April 23, 2007 12:37 AM
From the article
Police said the execution-style killings of the Yazidis — a primarily Kurdish sect that worships an angel figure considered to be the devil by some Muslims
The Yazidis stoned a woman to death for converting to Islam, and the Muslims then responded by killing 23 Yazidis. It seems like there is too much devil-worshipping in the region, and too little compassion, forgiveness, and humanity.
Posted by: special_guest at April 23, 2007 1:13 AM
The Christian-war-in-chief, Bush, is responsible for the death of close to 1,000,000 Iraqis, including the 23 mentioned in the piece above, which you failed to mention out of deliberate ignorance of the facts thank you very much.
Posted by: crusadertothecore at April 23, 2007 1:33 AM
Lame Cherry said
If America must get out of Iraq, then America must get out of America as this is the mandated criteria.
There are two significant differences between Dallas (to pick one of your analagous cities) and Baghdad: one, Dallas is home to Americans, Baghdad is home to Iraqis. Second, Dallas is home to a vast majority of infidels who are loyal to the U.S., Baghdad is home to a vast majority of Muslims who are hostile to the U.S. [There are other, less important differences, such as they murder each other copiously and slowly by drilling into each others' eye sockets, and we don't. They stone each other to death for changing religions, and we don't. But let's stick with just the big two differences.]
The continued equation of Muslim Iraqis with U.S. citizens is incomprehesible to me. For some unknown reason, your assumption is that the Iraqi Muslims are our soulmates, for whom we should send our soldiers to be killed (by those same Iraqi Muslims). You do understand, don't you, that we Americans owe much to each other, and to the Americans who fought and died to protect and improve this country, while to the Iraqis we owe diddly-squat?
Posted by: special_guest at April 23, 2007 1:34 AM
Duh, "equating", not "equation".
Posted by: special_guest at April 23, 2007 1:35 AM
I suppose in the Queran that is what happened to these people killed off the bus!? That is respect they could of killed them on the bus! No love, right about that! This has nothing to do with love! Sleep on this Abdallah open your heart to Jesus. Jehweh the One and True God! The God that cannot abort His Love for you. He is a forgiving God. What better love can there be than this?
Oh yes, just like the Mafia once you join you can't get out!
at April 23, 2007 2:22 AM
For Christ sake !
One of my pet hates….
Sending a post,
THEN, sending one straight after it re spelling corrections on the first post.
This really gets up my boat.
at April 23, 2007 2:39 AM
Oops, sorry.
That should be goat
at April 23, 2007 2:40 AM
Are Yazidis Muslims?
That's a great question. I was studing Comp. Religion in college during the 90's and we got most of our Middle East religious info from Wahabist tracts (in hindsight it's pretty obvious) and the only mention of Yazidis I ever heard was, believe it or not, from a Montegue Summers book on Witchcraft. That was a passing reference to the "Black book of the Yazidis" or something.
I was surprised to find out that the head of the Dept. hadn't heard of them at all, and when he consulted his friends who were "Middle Eastern religious scholars" he was told they were in fact Devil worshipers.
I'm always on the look out for info on them if anyone has any, but so far I'm pretty sure their a cult (in the academic sense, not the judgemental sense) of Muslims who believe the Peacock Angel (which may be Satan) rules over the Earth in this age. He's been forgiven, or will be forgiven by God. They make offerings to him to avert bad luck. Otherwise they share the same mythology, if not theology, of the Abrahamic faiths. I've also heard they were somewhat influenced by Hindu teachings.
I'll go back to lurking now, Odd religions are kind of my hobby, so I couldn't resist.
at April 23, 2007 3:45 AM
... an assistant professor in the Department of Integrative Studies...
Department of what?
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at April 23, 2007 5:17 AM
http://www.muslim-responses.com/robert_spencer__jihadwatch_org_
:)
Posted by: Muslim Responses at April 24, 2007 7:36 AM
God help all non-Muslims in Islamic lands for no one will. Iraqi Assyrian, Chaldean, Syric and Yazdi refugees are having a hell of a time in neighboring countries. I am told that some Iraqi Christian girls have turned to prostitution in the nightclubs of Amman and Damascus to feed their large families with no other mean of support. More flesh for the Arabs to feast upon. It is for the eternal shame of the U.S. of A that these people are specifically forbidden visas while hundreds of thousands of Iraqi Muslims, the overwhelming majority are primitive fanatics are on their way to be ferried into the U.S. by our glorious State Department. Catholic Charities and other Christian-for-identification-only charities should go to hell for leaving these people to rot and starve while they spend their money and energy filling the west with Muslims. The body of Christ, my a** (excuse my French). I will not give these groups a single cent. As with most Middle Eastern Christian groups, the poor refugees' own religious leadership is inept and incapable of dealing with these types of situations, even after the bitter experience with Armenian-Assyrian genocide. There is not enough funding, logistic support, political activism or organization from the worldwide Diaspora to save those poor people. I can not really blame them. I doubt the Copts would do any better despite their inherent homogeneity as opposed to Iraqi Christians and other religious minorities who are divided by many labels and into many subgroups.
The bottom line is what goes around comes around. Bush ruined the lives of the remnants of centuries of persecution, genocide, deportation and massacres by removing their protector and handing them over to the butchers of Allah to finish the job. Instead of welcoming them with open arms, his military commanders and diplomats slammed the door shut in their face while they throw the doors open to the scum of the earth and killers of our poor soldiers. Please give money to the Barnabas fund specifically for these people. Also, if you have a local Chaldean or Assyrain congregation please donates what you can specifically for these people. Hopefully, they are more into supporting their suffering bretheren than the Coptic Diaspora who invest in the brick and mortar church more than the church as a fraternity of believers.
at April 24, 2007 3:13 PM
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