Assalamau Laikum all,

It is a bit of shame that these peoples look to Jihad. France will be Islamic in the normal course of events anyway.

I'm afraid that Jihad is not the end all and be all that these lunds think.

Islamic peace is the only way forward.

Posted by: Naseem at April 23, 2007 7:27 AM

Does that mean I'm going to have to get used to camel's milk cheese?
I hope this announcement gets out there in France; it should help Sarkozy in the run-off.

Posted by: jewdog at April 23, 2007 7:40 AM

the more these coward muslim jihadists talk, the more people in the west will understand their threat. it does not matter if your left or right, people in the West do realize "freedom of speech, and all other freedoms that they have faught and died for in the past is very is worth destroying islamists. while in the muslim cesspoolstans, muslim clerics continue to wind up their sharia laws to make their people suffer even more. let the muslim people know how insufferable their islam is, and hastens's defeat when women and other minorities demand their freedom from the immans.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at April 23, 2007 7:48 AM

But doesn't Sarkozy believe in funding the mosques from public funds?

He wants to transgress the separation of church/mosque and state in France.

Posted by: Voltaire at April 23, 2007 8:09 AM

But doesn't Sarkozy believe in funding the mosques from public funds?

He wants to transgress the separation of church/mosque and state in France.

Posted by: Voltaire at April 23, 2007 8:09 AM

What went around is now arriving on gate 666. Welcome to beginnings of the 21st century crusades.
Except this time its a battle for the whole, not just the whole known world.

Posted by: SoteriA at April 23, 2007 8:11 AM

I have to wait and see. I hope they vote wisely.

Posted by: Oyobear at April 23, 2007 8:28 AM

But doesn't Sarkozy believe in funding the mosques from public funds?

He wants to transgress the separation of church/mosque and state in France.
Posted by: Voltaire

The alternative candidate offers no consolation either.

I was disappointed for Phillipe de Villiers(scroll down to pic/"Meanwhile . ..").

Posted by: justamomof4 at April 23, 2007 8:39 AM

At the battle of Tours it was Christians as such who devastated the Islamic plunderers, kicked them out and saved Western civilization. The Muslims lost because of their greed- couldn’t stand the idea that all their plunder (what the jihad then was mainly about) back at the camp might be taken away, so too many left the battle field to protect their loot. This going after their loot was a brilliant tactic by Charles Martel who knew their greed and it worked.

The West is no longer Christian as it was then and so cannot fight back in defense of the West as it once was able; now it’s basically a bunch of sappy democratic governments that the Islamicists know they can exploit demographically & politically with their high immigration & birth rate and because they know the West is made up of mostly softhearted & softheaded multi-cultural dreamers who’ll keep reassuring themselves that most Muslims are “moderate” until it’s far too late.

Posted by: FM at April 23, 2007 8:49 AM

We can't even protect our own borders (I mean half-hearted Islamic countries) its stupid to talk about invading France at this time!!! Maybe 100 years down the line...even then I have doubts

Because Allah will not change the situation of the believers until they change what is within themselves (reform) better governance etc

Posted by: Abdullah at April 23, 2007 9:01 AM

Assalamau Laikum Abdullah,

You are not thinking about this clearly, do you not have faith in Allah SWT.

The infedel cannot be beaten through jihad...yes these lunds think about the old golden times..but that's all. They have no thoughts beyond that...the prophet's methods may have been appropriate for that time but it does apply for all time.

For example in France ...at that time all you had was christian on one side and muslims on the other.

This is no longer the case....within France there are so many muslims...but even more importantly there are wuslims.

France will be islamic withing 20 years...think with your brain....forget about your legs for the moment.

Nothing needs to be done....no jihad, no war ...simply being there will be enough.

As the muslim/wuslim population rises...guess who will win the government seats, guess who the future politicans will be , guess who the French President will...does wuslim ring a bell with you. Guess how sharia will be introduced in France?

By raising the spectre of jihad the opposite will happen. You and others may gloat if a few large bombs go off...but then Islam will lose...the infeldel will curb muslim immigration, he will round up all your somali/paki/saudi/lebenese/ effendies/womens etc. ...and send them back to Somalia for example.

Those that cannot be sent back will be interned...do not doubt his resolve.

In a copycat tactic...the UK and Germany may do the same to "protect" themselves...in this scenario..YOU may find yourself on a plane back to Somalia.....so stop backing the jihadists...that will win you nothing except a free ride back to Somalia...is that what you want?

One thing I will say to you...do not underestimate the infedel...he is sleeping ...but slowly stirring...let him stay asleep...we don't not need jihad for Islam to be the global brand of choice...you simply need to pass under the radar undetected.

Posted by: Naseem at April 23, 2007 9:24 AM

France was once the “eldest daughter of the Church.”
She could be again.

She has been let down by useless politicians but if she ever returns to her previous spiritual, cultural and military power she will be a formidable power.

The French will fight rather than have their country taken over by an Islamic theocracy.

Posted by: Odyessus at April 23, 2007 9:32 AM

"Nothing needs to be done....no jihad, no war ...simply being there will be enough."

Hmm is this why muslim youth are acting like a bunch glorified apes around Paris partying like its 999 [AD]?

Posted by: SoteriA at April 23, 2007 9:35 AM

I know that LePen is a Holocaust Denier, which is horrible, BUT, he is 100% for stopping any more Muslim immigration to France, and in my mind, THAT takes precedence over his Holocaust Denying stupidity. What do you people think?

Posted by: darcy at April 23, 2007 9:38 AM

Because Allah will not change the situation of the believers until they change what is within themselves (reform) better governance etc

Abdullah, here we go again, every muslim country is strewn with poverty, corrupt goverment officials and in bed with the clerics. name one muslim country people are flocking to live, because of their well run govenment and high living standards?

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at April 23, 2007 9:55 AM

Odysseus-

The French may be fighting sooner than you think, my friend. Already there are stirrings in the French street, mutterings of promised violence and unrest, 'Blood in the Streets', should Sarkozy take the final vote.

Even though it is fashionable these days to associate all things cowardly and appeasing to the French, I do note that the French, when roused in a fit of pique, can be rather spiky little buggers. We British have noted this cultural quirk in them over the course of the last thousand years or so and, never a nation to let the opportunity for a good wind-up pass, we've always been on hand to poke them with a stick to get a reaction.

France may have an over abundance of idiots running the show, but I still believe that 'The French' have that same old vicious streak in them of centuries past and it's not going to be a fun day for all should that streak rise to the surface.

Posted by: Wishbone at April 23, 2007 9:56 AM

France may have an over abundance of idiots running the show, but I still believe that 'The French' have that same old vicious streak in them of centuries past and it's not going to be a fun day for all should that streak rise to the surface.
Posted by: Wishbone
Wishbone, the French are your brothers, as before the Romans came you were all of the same Celtic tribe. my father's family orginally came from Brittany, my mother's father's side from Normandy and LeManns. my ancestors left centuries ago, and l know they will fight for their freedoms, even some of the left will wake up. pss we need more mo comics..

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at April 23, 2007 10:11 AM

Maybe one day the people of Europe will realize that hating America isn't enough to stop the jihadists.

On second thought, who am I kidding? It will never happen.

Posted by: Balrog at April 23, 2007 10:13 AM

Here is some history about Charles Martel:
http://www.bookrags.com/Charles_Martel

Posted by: Johnathan at April 23, 2007 10:13 AM

Here is some history about Charles Martel:
http://www.bookrags.com/Charles_Martel

Posted by: Johnathan at April 23, 2007 10:13 AM

Here is some history about Charles Martel:
http://www.bookrags.com/Charles_Martel

Posted by: Johnathan at April 23, 2007 10:14 AM

And peace upon thee Naseem,

I agree your dawah efforts to bring the kuffar into the fold of Islam peacefully....You are right.

But the ummah cannot have its hands tied by peace when the other side is at war with the ummah. Peace for every peaceful one and war for every war-monger!!!

Naseem how many people have you given dawah this week? 1 person became Muslim at my local mosque yesterday despite all the ISLAMOPHOBIA going around

Posted by: Abdullah at April 23, 2007 10:23 AM

Can someone please put up a list of countries that are NOT going to be "reconquered" by islam?

Darcy
Le Pen might want to stop muslim immigration, but it's the ones already there that are the problem, IMHO.

I wish our trolls would realise that NONE of us are interested in being muslims.It has nothing going for it. Peace? Where? You kill more of your own than the west does. Why would we want "islamic peace"? It is a paradox.

It isn't going to happen. Get used to it!

Posted by: Gramfan at April 23, 2007 10:32 AM

Assalamau laikum Abdullah,

You ask "how many people have you given dawah this week?"

Here in Pak ....none....I have to be very careful...sunni/shia will not accept dawah from Ahmadi here in Pak...so I keep a very low profile. I only talk to my son/daughter about the benefits of sharia for Islam and pak.

To the infedel...well it depends on how many of the kaffur come to this site are read my valuable dawa...hopefully 100' of thousands...many of whom will become Ahmadi wuslims when they have to take the shahada.

Ahmadi is the best way to bring the kafur into Islam...only through peace can we progress....

Posted by: Naseem at April 23, 2007 10:34 AM

Naseem

"This is no longer the case....within France there are so many Muslims...but even more importantly there are wuslims"

These "wuslims" are too few to affect the outcome. Most Muslims are of the jihadi sort. They are either violent jihadis or passive jihadis who support the violent ones. Violent jihad is too much part of being Muslim. Without which are you really a Muslim? Can you really impose Sharia on a culture like the west with out violence? The answer is no. Sharia is too alien and too backward to work with a modern civilization like the west. In the end it will lead to violence. I am confident in that. In any struggle between the two civilizations our civilization will prevail for one major reason.

Science..

Our culture produces smarter people. Even outnumbered our weapons will be superior and with the Darwinian need for survival in effect we will unleash hell upon those who wish us dead. Survival of the fittest my dear Naseem and in the end those that adapt better will win. Our civilization is better at adapting to changes and developing new technology.

As Winston Churchill said so many years ago and is true today…

“Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytising faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science - the science against which it had vainly struggled - the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome.”

Christians found a way to live with science and will always win as long as they do so. Muslims cannot live with science. You leaders are too backward to understand how to develop things. Even your nuclear programs were developed by others. Your culture is incapable of advancing it beyond that without help from non-muslims.

A muslim thinker like Khatami of Iran stated…

“Modernism contains within itself many philosophical, artistic, scientific, historical, and ethical components. The common denominator among all these aspects, however, is the catastrophic transformation that toward the end of the Middle Ages penetrated into the depths of the minds of the intellectuals. The new era that we call the Age of Renaissance not only sought to revive the intellectual and cultural heritage of Greece and Rome, but its main objective was to adopt new approaches and ways of expression in relation to religion and its place in human society.”

You see Naseem we had one of those….you know a Renaissance, Scientific Revolution, and the Enlightenment. You lack those weapons and even though the PC bug is out and about it will not last forever because your jihadi brothers will see to that. A few more mass killings and attacks will push the average westerner over the edge. That is why we will win of course after much undo suffering for us non-muslims. That is why we have sites like this. To get the word out and prevent the undo suffering. Rational knowledge and logic is bed rock of our civilization. This site is proof.

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at April 23, 2007 10:51 AM

“their aspiration to "reinvade France (and convert it into) an Islamic country."”

Pure fantasy, of course, and strictly for home consumption – they’re going to send their army to march through the Balkans and Central Europe unopposed, or perhaps send their fleet into the English Channel, defeating the French and British navies? The home-grown threat to France is much more dangerous, but it just shows how cocky these people have become in the face of Western appeasement.

Posted by: JFGR at April 23, 2007 10:54 AM

"Maybe one day the people of Europe will realize that hating America isn't enough to stop the jihadists."

The old paranoia is at work again, I see.

Posted by: JFGR at April 23, 2007 10:55 AM

Naseems you realize there are none of us here to be taken away by your black death cult. only those who are weak minded might be lured into your trap. and part
time muslims living in Western lands are fools to think they could ever surive life in a sharia country. know they rather have the stability the West provides, via Judea/Christian values, than live life in full sharia. part time muslims need not apply to paradise, (actually hell) your false prophet mo does not like decievers to him.
and Naseems you are not a "true muslims" sunni would kill you almost as fast as killing an infidel, so keep blowing into the wind, it aint going to happen in France or any other Western country. "Je me suivrans".

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at April 23, 2007 10:59 AM

"ISLAMOPHOBIA...ISLAMOPHOBIA....ISLAMOPHOBIA"
"Racism... Racism... Rcism"

Every time some one is critical of the RoPers they scream this.

If I'm critical of the Pope's stance on birth control or celibate clergy or any other teaching or policy of the catholic church. It does not make me Catholiphobic or racist.

I'm extremely tired of this characterization of all critics of Islam. It's a farce to force the ending of critcal examination of it's tenants and followers.

I for one will not be silence by the RoPers atempted use of the Stalinist PC tactics.

I will not be silence in the public forms, the public streets or the public planes (aka the flying Imam).

Get use to it, Abdullah.

Oh, Naseem just for you to think on, every time Abdullah opens his mouth he under cuts your atempts at Dawah (aka Taqqiya)and exposes you.

And Abdullah, you really think your hypobolic threats get you anything but scorn and ridicule here or even on the streets of France?

Posted by: senor doeboy at April 23, 2007 11:08 AM

What are "RoPers?"

Hey Abdullah - DOWN with the "ummah," and UP with "Islamophobia!"

Posted by: darcy at April 23, 2007 11:43 AM

Montjoie.
Sainte Denis.

“Quoi qu’il arrive, la flamme de la résistance française ne doit pas s’éteindre et ne s’éteindra pas.”
(“Whatever happens, the flame of French resistance must not be extinguished and will not be extinguished”).

This is what your people fought for?
Take control French people.

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at April 23, 2007 11:46 AM

"ISLAMOPHOBIA...ISLAMOPHOBIA....ISLAMOPHOBIA"
"Racism... Racism... Rcism"
I'm extremely tired of this characterization of all critics of Islam.

It is quite different with me. I rather like it. Each time I hear it I know the moslem, or dhimmi traitor has been hit on the head with truth and emits these angry painful shrieks.
Yes, I am islamophobe and, if Islam is a race, I am a racist.

Posted by: thomas. h at April 23, 2007 11:47 AM

Odyessus,

"France was once the “eldest daughter of the Church.”
She could be again.

She has been let down by useless politicians but if she ever returns to her previous spiritual, cultural and military power she will be a formidable power.

The French will fight rather than have their country taken over by an Islamic theocracy. "

Yes, in truth France can become again "the eldest daughter of the Church" and that will come via the global south. Remember it has been the west that sent missionaries to the global south nations to bring the Gospel of Christ. Now what will happen is that these nations, because they are going through a boom in gaining new members will end up sending to the west missionaries and it will come back full circle.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at April 23, 2007 11:56 AM

When it comes to JW/DW posters who want to destroy my civilization and enslave my children, I prefer Naseem.

Posted by: Beagle at April 23, 2007 11:58 AM

I'm not "Islamaphobic" as that implies I fear them. I don't fear them I despise them.

Posted by: the czar at April 23, 2007 11:59 AM

France is already more than 10% Muslim. It's well on the way to civil war.

Bonne chance!

Posted by: Foehammer at April 23, 2007 12:03 PM

Honi soit qui mal y pense.

As the French used to say.

"He who thinks it deserves it."

(Maybe that's why the boomerang is a crescent?)

Posted by: profitsbeard at April 23, 2007 12:10 PM

On the above headline:

"The second stop of the Islamic conquest of Europe, France, after Andalusia, Spain."

Abdullah, should Naseem give Ahmadi dawah to Shitte, or shouldn't she? (I really wonder between these two groups, which side do you come down on?)

Posted by: Infidel Pride at April 23, 2007 12:18 PM

Naseem

Does the Ahmadi version of the Shahada vary in any way from the standard Sunni version?

Posted by: Infidel Pride at April 23, 2007 12:19 PM

I have to be very careful...sunni/shia will not accept dawah from Ahmadi here in Pak...so I keep a very low profile.

Thank you, Naseem for helping me feel the peace of Islam. You illustrate so beautifully the level of tolerance in Islam.

Posted by: Greek Fire at April 23, 2007 12:27 PM

Everyone has missed the point of what is happening.

Jihad, Islamic thrust, Islamic immigration just did not happen. Someone with money and power implemented this against the major European powers of France, Germany, the lowlands and England under the guise of cheap labor.

There will be civil wars in Europe, so ask yourself who would benefit from using Islamic Jihad against Europe?
Even Doc Abdullah sees this is a stupid thing for Muslims and Naseem thinks Islam will breed itself into dominance over European bumps on a log.

So if Muslims do not consider this sound, then who would be building a nuclear Muslim shield for Iran to intimidate Europeans.

I am stopping answering all the details as people are not ready to see what this is all about and only think Islam is the problem. Islam is the proxy and Muslims are the fodder in this.

Ponder it though and think beyond the Koran Kapers as who wins when Europe is in chaos.

Posted by: Lame Cherry at April 23, 2007 12:52 PM

message to Naseem:

You're living in a fantasy world. And you are welcome to inhabit it all by yourself.

Posted by: pythagoras at April 23, 2007 12:59 PM

Abdullah: The presence of al-Qaeda "sleeper cells" constitutes an invasion of non-Islamic states by Islam (which is what the Kuran commands Muslims to do..you know "slay the infidels everywhere"...).

You, besides that, are certainly 100 % aware that Islam prohibits nation-states as such. Thus borders in and of themselves are anti-Islamic.

It is anti-Islamic for Muslims to speak of "protecting their borders!"

For shame, abdullah!

Posted by: pythagoras at April 23, 2007 1:04 PM

the gates of vienna have become the gates of paris.
...the french did always wanted to claim the croissant.

ironic though that there is an hungarian connection to in this one too.

Posted by: raven_ at April 23, 2007 1:12 PM

And peace upon thee Naseem,

I agree your dawah efforts to bring the kuffar into the fold of Islam peacefully....You are right.

But the ummah cannot have its hands tied by peace when the other side is at war with the ummah. Peace for every peaceful one and war for every war-monger!!!

Naseem how many people have you given dawah this week? 1 person became Muslim at my local mosque yesterday despite all the ISLAMOPHOBIA going around

Posted by: Abdullah at April 23, 2007 10:23 AM

-------------------------------------------------

Abdullah. Naseem's an Ahmadi, and therefore an infidel. LOL

Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at April 23, 2007 1:18 PM

Ah well. Some European country has to volunteer to be the first to submit to Islam, and to show us the resulting "benefits" of living under sharia. Might as well be France. Come on, Denmark and Belgium: if you want to stay in the running, better hurry up.

Posted by: special_guest at April 23, 2007 1:18 PM

"A few more mass killings and attacks will push the average westerner over the edge. That is why we will win of course after much undo suffering for us non-muslims."

Comet,

If Europeans are ever pushed over the edge it will most likely be to the wrong side. And if they ever decide to fight it will be because they were dragged kicking and screaming to it.

Scenario #1 - A mass attack in Europe. Four cities attacked simultaneously.

European reaction: "See, it was America and Israel that brought this upon us. Without them, we would be happy and free and our citizens would still be alive. America drove the Muslims to attack us!"

Scenario #2 - Four American cities attacked simultaneously.

European reaction: "We are all Americans now. We share in your grief.....oh, and if you hadn't gone into Iraq and if you hadn't supported Israel then your cities would be standing today. You asked for it."

Posted by: PMK at April 23, 2007 1:25 PM

Civil wars of the past have weakened countries because they burn up resources. A European war against Islam would be different. In the good old days, you had to surround a city with an army and starve out the enemy. In 2007, all you need to do is stop sending checks. Islam’s habit of clustering will make things easier. The West has the airlift capacity to relocate the entire European Muslim population in less than a week.

If Russia is calculating on a weakened Europe when the smoke clears, they are wrong.

Posted by: pez at April 23, 2007 1:41 PM

Profitsbeard-

As quite a few Brits are wont to say:

"Honi soit qui mal y pense"

"Evil be to him who evil thinks"

It's the motto of many a fine regiment of the British Army and also the motto of "The Most Noble Order of the Garter".

It also happens to be one of two mottoes inscribed upon the British Royal Coat of Arms, the other being "Dieu et mon droit", or "God and My Right".

Posted by: Wishbone at April 23, 2007 1:46 PM

"We ask that Allah sends us a genuine Rahman al-Ghafiqi, to finish what he started in Europe, and conquer the Vatican as promised in our beautiful Islamic verses,"

Ah! Can't you just feel the PEACE and TOLERANCE ?

It's nice to see Muslims ADMIT that it was THEM who Started things in Europe , not the West.
And " Beutiful Versus " ????

like :

Qur’an:9:5 “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”

Posted by: MoBlows at April 23, 2007 1:48 PM

It surprises me that acolytes of the religion of peace bother posting here. Given their juvenile drivel I wonder why people bother responding to them.

Let them immerse themselves in their wet dream of the Umma. Hopefully one day they will wake up and realize that their prophet and god was just a dream. If they don’t they will suffer extinction as the rest of the world moves on.

Posted by: lithcol at April 23, 2007 1:51 PM

Someone once said "I care not who runs the government, as long as I control the nation's wealth."

I can envision all of Europe enslaved under the islamic yoke within 20 years; for the simple reason that those who control the nation's wealth are perfectly contented as long as they are in the company of the fragranced and well manicured saudi bosses inside the marbled corridors of government buildings.

As far as these willing minions are concerned, it is the rabble who will deal with the muslim cut-throats in the civil clashes that will unfold in the streets of Europe.

In the guilded gates that protect the elite from the rif-raff; life will be blissful and every want and need will be catered to with abundance.

In the ruins outside, civil war and a life that becomes continually cheapened by years and years and years of unending bloodshed -- thanks to islam.

The mere disconnect between the elite and the people of Europe that exists now will be small compated to what is to come.

The time to take Europe back from islam, is now.

Posted by: witness at April 23, 2007 2:06 PM

voltaire: "But doesn't Sarkozy believe in funding the mosques from public funds?"

The key lies in the old saying (I forget who said it), "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer".

As long as the State has control of the only Offical islam in the country, it has a "muslim voice of calm and reason". At least, that is the theory.

If Sarko wins the presidential runoff, it will be very interesting to see how much craziness ensues. On the left, massive work stoppages, blocked roads, universities on strike, etc, the usually routine.

On the islamic side ... bbq'ed Peugots, hit and run battles with the police and the CRS.

It may be that France is approaching a tipping point. On the other hand, the islamists may choose to lie low for a while and let the left (communist trades unions and students) do their dirty work.

Posted by: Minority of One at April 23, 2007 2:08 PM

Well. so much for investing if French Wine Futures.

There is one advantage Europe has if it wishes to use it. Race and Gender sum it up.

Posted by: flowerknife_us at April 23, 2007 2:30 PM

"By raising the spectre of jihad the opposite will happen. You and others may gloat if a few large bombs go off...but then Islam will lose...the infeldel will curb muslim immigration, he will round up all your somali/paki/saudi/lebenese/ effendies/womens etc. ...and send them back to Somalia for example. "

Yes, and thanks for pointing all those things out for us, Nazeem. Maybe it will be read by someone like Congresswoman Sue Myers who is saying "Not just NO - but HELL NO" when it comes to selling out to islam.

George Bush is on his way out, and not a minute too soon.. I is my belief that he will be followed by one Rudy Giuliani [thanks to Hitlery who will be the opposition].

Giuliani sure cleaned up New York. Night life hasn't been the same since.

And all the howling and wailing o the "Religious Right" won't get them a "fundi" President.

What do I care what Rudy thinks about abortion? I do know he experienced 9/11 firsthand. Like myself and a few others.

He turned down a huge SOWdi check when all he had to do is "submit" and say something negative about Israel.

Which he refused to do.

Compare that to the thousands of "student" visas Bush is handing out to the SOWdis - AFTER 9/11.

Islam is evil and Rudy knows it.

Therefore he's the man we need in the White House.

And Sarko shall win in France. Let there be violence. The more violence the sooner the French will retake their country.

Nazeem your comments have been so honest and illuminative that I will borrow them for other forums as an illustration of workings the moslem mind.

You can be very proud of yourself, Nazeem.

Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 23, 2007 3:31 PM

It was posted above:

"Someone once said "I care not who runs the government, as long as I control the nation's wealth. I can envision all of Europe enslaved under the islamic yoke within 20 years; for the simple reason that those who control the nation's wealth are perfectly contented as long as they are in the company of the fragranced and well manicured saudi bosses inside the marbled corridors of government buildings."

I disagree. While it is true that the French bureaucracy will salute whatever picture is on the wall until maintenance changes it, the Moors will be defeated by the French again this time just south of Tours in Bordeaux. The French will never tolerate a Moslem attack on French pork or wine. When the French realize this is an earnest attack by the Moslems on French food and drink, one will see what French "gall" is truly made of! The French have been the most vicious race on the planet when their stomachs were affected.

Posted by: David England at April 23, 2007 3:37 PM

About 10% of French of Maghreb descent plan on voting for Le Pen, by the way.

Are they drawn to him by his anti-semitism?

One thing they have said to pollsters is that they don;t wish to see France become too islamicized.

They see a good thing when they have it and they know who wishes to destroy it.

They will maybe vote Sarko over the Socialist.

Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 23, 2007 3:58 PM

The colonists in the banlieues do as they are instructed by the imams. They will vote as a unified block for Royal. If Sarkozy wins, they will riot, again as instructed. I think that this time, the imams might gamble and lose everything.

Posted by: Infidel33 at April 23, 2007 4:12 PM

Darcy (and others) it's not Islamophobia, it's Islamorealism...

Posted by: A_Nonny_Mouse at April 23, 2007 4:28 PM

"Allah bless the writer and carrier of the message which recalls the days of glory and honor of Islam"

The glory days of Islam were, of course, about 800 years ago... And, fellows, your "we love death" religion shows just what kind of "God" your Allah really is... I think the Incas in South America used to worship him too, they've just excavated more children sacrificed to some savage deity down there.

Posted by: A_Nonny_Mouse at April 23, 2007 4:32 PM

Naseem you are a very funny person.

We know of ALL the jihads.

I think it's fair to say that All affected gov. with the ability to do so know just about every muslim person in thier country.

All the hub bub over the wire tapping and what not....it's already done.There are people working on this non stop.

It could be possible that if they desired they could even pay liitle old nassem a visit wherever she chooses to sit and type at her computer.

Islam thinks it's so wonderful as they are so arrogant so this will be thier downfall.There are muslims in muslim lands that would gladly help the west destroy the entity known as islam.Islam should have treated it's own much better....too bad for you.

Islam will not become ingrained in any western civilization.WHY? Because we see what happens to the country after islams black shadow creeps in.

You people have no idea.Your ignorance is astounding.

We have so many weopons in our arsenol and i am not talking about just military weopons either.We have something all of you lowflifes need.something you do not and never will recieve from your grand leaders and governments.

To be muslim is to learn to love abuse,you are sadists.I am surprised your freaks do not run around in leather masks and outfits yelling spank me master spank me hard.

You have all entered a world of which you do not understand.

You muslims,people in this room and even myself have thought that the west are asleep.I am not so sure of the majority of the west.What goes on today as yesterday is our governments way of doing things.It was the same with the last war and the wars before those.

The breaking point will come sooner than we all think.If the same leaders were around that expierienced the wars of the psat,the ones who really knew.We wouldn't even be having this conversation.

I think,no i know all you sheep of islam have made a grave mistake by allowing your hidious head to show itself.The middle east will only continue to churn on the spit over the fires of turmoil of decades and centuries to come.Served up with the free rice we will donate to you.

Islam has commited crimes world wide.just about every country in this world has been assaulted by islam and if you think you are just going to waltz right on in and take over....you make me laugh.

The only reason islam has gotten as far as it has is because as you muslims say we love life more than the muslim loves death.We love all life .Muslims care for none not even thier own.

You have nothing to offer.

You see i have figured islam out.What is islam?

It is a false god (if even that ) that punishes here on earth to earn submission from the people of this world.It offers them paradise for treachery and genocide.Something only the devil would desire.Then as you all go about dieing and killing to earn your angels wings you find out all you have earned is the eternal burning fire and pain.All the things you have unleashed upon this world you will find many fold in those fires.

As islam goes conquering and causing submission do you really think ALL your people desire what islam offers?If you have to guard your people with "morality police" and rule by sword,you think they desire such slavery?And live in poverty while being enslaved?

You are fools.You are surrounded and as for your demise the day this occurs is the only question.Also it is too late to turn back and i suggest you run full throttle forward and earn whatever your reward is to be with honor and dignity.In the last instance of existance and as the light of the day starts to darken as you find it harder to breathe it is okay to say you are sorry,it is okay to repent what you will then realize what you've done was wrong.It may even cause you to be delivered to the true and almighty God who does have compassion and will know of your torture under the devil whose words live on in this book you call holy.

Never the less too many are too far gone and the world should not expect those who protect themselves and thier own to stop and have a trial to see who is innocent or not.I guess these are whats meant to be real martyrs of islam.

It is blatantly rediculous for you people to think that you will easily or in any fashion instate your hooey of a religious/political system in the west.We have our political system and we have our laws and none of it is islamic and never shall be.

Are you getting my point?

Abdullah are you listening too?

Continue to spit on the free world ,continue to curse us they make our armor grow more grander by the day and our songs more sweeter.

Prepare thyself and know thy enemy.Check and check.

Posted by: Dar al-harb at April 23, 2007 4:51 PM

Abdullah you see is a part time muslim. he is a convert, and speaks only from what he hears, and choses to ignore the history of islam. let him go live in some sharia land, let him experience it, and he will be crying to come back home to mamma. right now he is sitting at home in a well established infidel land, probably on welfare from the state, and is spewing out hateful speech from the koran. he cannot answer as yet my questions to him about doing what is asked for a muslim under sharia.. will he kill a person for talking ill of his mohummad? if a girl gets pregnant out of wedlock? would he kill his own sister for his family's honour, or later his daughter? he does not answer these questions because right now he is living in a nice "western nation". yeah Abudllah the part time pious muslim.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at April 23, 2007 5:12 PM

I agree with Hugh, let the Islamic tribes fight each other to exhaustion. Their religion is pure tribalism, 7th century type, not compatible with our societies of western civilization. They don’t get us at all. Better that we are like Star Trek’s Capt. Kirk. When faced with a monster, use the monster’s own logic to defeat it. With Islamism, the monster is their suspicions and hatreds of all tribes not their own. Use it against them to weaken them by making them fight themselves. When it gets bloody enough, they’ll stop coming to our shores. Divide and conquer. It worked for Cesaer, it'll work for us.

Posted by: Battle_of_Tours at April 23, 2007 5:15 PM

Nasseem

You are doing an invaluable service in telling us that the danger is noit from Jioad but the Muslim demographic time bomb in tyhe West. We at JW know that, but it is useful for those who read the site but not necessarily comment, that the demographic game is the main one in town.

Posted by: DP111 at April 23, 2007 6:08 PM

"The second stop of the Islamic conquest of Europe, France, after Andalusia, Spain."

"Heute gehört uns Deutschland und morgen die ganze Welt."

Barking dogs..

Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 23, 2007 6:37 PM

That semi-adolescent neophyte, Abdullah (look at me - I'm a big hard Muslim. just like my daddy. Nobody can call me a mummy's boy) refers to unbelievers as lazy and cowardly and at the same time bandies the word Islamophobia about as if nobody on this site doesn't recognise it for the loaded,tendentious term it is. His 'war for the warmonger' line sounds suspiciously as though he advocate violence against this country. There may be a case for trying to identify this particular piece of ummah and reporting him to the authorities.

Posted by: wallyUK at April 23, 2007 6:43 PM

One thing I will say to you...do not underestimate the infedel...he is sleeping ...but slowly stirring...let him stay asleep...we don't not need jihad for Islam to be the global brand of choice...you simply need to pass under the radar undetected.
Posted by: Naseem

Uhh, Nazim.. too late for that already. It takes a world full of PC numbskulls to hold us back.

They won't be holding us down much longer.

You see, Sarko does NOT believe in the ROP garbage. Nor does Giuliani.

Maybe I'll even live to see the day they chuck the UN right out of New York.

Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 23, 2007 6:46 PM

I think the term "islamophobic" should be replaced with the more apropos "islamosavant".

We know. We laugh. We snicker.

Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 23, 2007 6:53 PM

Abby, please enlighten me on something. Do you wear those funny-looking scrubs all day long while in England?

Do you wear those ridiculous high-water pants?

You don't shave, do you?

islamos are the only beings on earth who deliberately attempt to make themselves even more unattractive.

Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 23, 2007 6:55 PM

Naseem-
Why do you even WANT Islam in the West? There are already so many Islamic paradises in the Middle East and Africa (Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iran, Somalia, etc.)
Surely you are happy living there in Pakistan, enjoying life in a country where virtually everybody is already Muslim? You don't have to wait for Muslims to "eventually" come to power, you've got scads of Muslims right there, enjoying peace and prosperity and obedience to Allah under the Islamic government. You've got madrassas to send the boys to, so they won't be listening to heresy in schools; they'll be taught Islam and the Koran and not much else to trouble their little heads with. Your daughters can all be 2nd or 3rd or 4th wives; their husbands will beat them if they get too uppity, so there will be harmony in the family as they each have their 4 or 6 or 8 kids. All those grandkids to spoil! And maybe some of them will want to be shahids, so when they blow themselves up killing infidels the whole family is guaranteed Paradise. Why bother with the West, when you Muslims already have all the wonderfulness of Islam right where you are?

Posted by: A_Nonny_Mouse at April 23, 2007 7:10 PM

"I think the term "islamophobic" should be replaced with the more apropos "islamosavant"."

AMEN

Posted by: PMK at April 23, 2007 7:15 PM

"It surprises me that acolytes of the religion of peace bother posting here. Given their juvenile drivel I wonder why people bother responding to them."

lithcol,

They consider silence a sign of weakness. Some of their arguments are couched in language that the uninformed will accept. They try to make Islam look reasonable and those who oppose jihad the bad guys. These arguments need to be shot down. If they think we don't care then we'll have lost.

Posted by: PMK at April 23, 2007 7:25 PM

The crisis in France will come sooner than Naseem and Abdullah think, and it will not come when the Muslims have the demographic advantage. This is because of one simple reason.

The Muslim immigrants are not economically productive.

They consume much more in welfare than they produce in taxes paid. So there will come a point, very very soon, when the French taxpayer can no longer support them. And the welfare payments will stop.

At that point the Muslims will riot, but they will not be numerous enough to prevail. They will produce just enough French deaths to ensure that the civil war continues to a final solution. And the French are very familiar with final solutions

Posted by: PapaBear at April 23, 2007 7:46 PM

These muslims have obviously not seen protesting farmers,they can gridlock the whole of France if they wanted to, Never mind Tours they wont get past Perpignan,the french pig farmers will be first there with their shotgun,rifles and their rampant breeding boars and we all what fans of pigs the muslims are

Posted by: UKatheist at April 23, 2007 8:20 PM

I hope they do. If the Algerian government had the balls they would have asked for reparation money from the snobby French for all they put Algeria through.

Posted by: crusadertothecore at April 23, 2007 8:33 PM

Talking of Algeria,Crap-talker-to-the-core, one of the most telling lines I heard on a documentary about the Algerian troubles in the 1990's was a man holding the body of his small daughter,who said:"Even the French never did anything this bad."
When Muslims go on the rampage they believe they are instructed by God to be as sadistic as possible. Given some of the things their "prophet" did (torture,mass execution, ordering assassinations,amputations etc etc) ,I suppose such viciousness is only par for the course.

Posted by: wallyUK at April 23, 2007 9:29 PM

There is no such thing as Islamophobia. A phobia is the irration fear of something. Fearing Islam is not irrational. Just ask the families of the victims of 9/11 or the British bombings or the Spanish bombings or the Indonesian schoolgirls that were beheaded or.... etc.. etc... ad nauseam.

Posted by: one of the chosen people at April 23, 2007 9:36 PM

Dar al-harb-

That was awesome. Thanks.

Another post made me think that perhaps the Muslims living outside the countries they belong in could cure us of the over-indulgent welfare state. They do seem to be extraordinarily attuned to the process by which free money is sent to your house, and the amount increases when you have more children.

If Islam promoted a good work ethic and life-affirming outlook, instead of the salacious and sexually frustrated death worship that is its hallmark, Muslims would be able to join other societies in the progress of humanity and would have no need to burden social support systems at the expense of others.

Motivation by the veneration and idolizing of death has a certain nihilist appeal perhaps, but it is no match for motivation by the protection of life and respect for its mystery. I guess one can be pretty fierce in forcing one's own death (and murdering others in the process) but in this there is no valor. The will to live will trump any pathetic bid for what we all know awaits us in the end.

Posted by: lycaste at April 23, 2007 11:45 PM

About France: was it Machiavelli who said something to the effect that he had the greatest respect for the French, for no matter what transpired by way of world affairs and governments, there would always be France. The French may be the decisive people who save us from One World Government. They take a lot of crap from just about everyone, some of it certainly deserved, but one cannot cite the accomplishments of western civilization without recognizing France as one of it main pillars.

Thank you again for the Statue of Liberty. We are with you.

Posted by: lycaste at April 23, 2007 11:54 PM

"There is no such thing as Islamophobia. A phobia is the irration fear of something."

I will go further, Let me be the first to coin and use the term "Misoislamic" Profound Hatred of ALL THINGS ISLAMIC. . .

When I graduated HS in 1980, I was young and impressionable. I had a few friends that immigrated from Iran and felt they were good people. And then I remember things like the islamic idiots on TV saying "Death to the Shah" while wearing paper bags over their heads. I felt, well, if that is what these people want, they should have it, it is their country. Boy have my feelings changed in 27 years.

Every day, I hear many reports of Islamic terrorism, crime, killing and other atrocities. I can't remember the last time I heard of something good that islamics have done. They never send aid when islamic countries have earthquakes or natural disasters. The Koran says muslims must be merciful to other muslims, but they can't even do that. Sunni hate and kill Shia ans Shia hate and kill Sunni.

Islamics spend all their life being the eternal victim. Someone has ALWAYS done THEM wrong. They have NEVER done anyone else wrong. .

I have not yet begun to fight. . .

And Muslims can never forgive, forget or be happy. . .

Misoislamic

Posted by: Misoislamic at April 24, 2007 12:16 AM

Oh by the way, note to IRAN, Afganastan et. cetera:

The Chants of "DEATH TO AMERICA" are really starting to get old. . .

Posted by: Misoislamic at April 24, 2007 12:28 AM

The battle of Tours--- Isnt it something that people 1400 years ago seem to have had much more wisdom than the Europeans of today.

Will they be ready for the next Islamic "tour" of France?

Posted by: guide inside at April 24, 2007 1:34 AM

My dear Nasseem sandboy,

I am French, and I despise you

You don't have a clue about your silly insignificant little stupid life. By the way, I slept with your wife last night, she enjoyed my infidel love stick.

What'u gonna do u stupid camel?

Like one of the writers above rightly said, we the French are spiked they get nasty. Well there you have it, look at the numbers: Sarkozy is well in the lead and we gonna kick all of sorry arse's out of our beautiful country.

You know why? coz none of us wanna give someone like you a job anyway? I don't care about political corectness, we used you people in the 60s and the 70s to rebuild France and now we dont need you anymore.

Let there be no misunderstanding, it is not an issue of Color or Relegion. Its about Patriotism. Again, someone else pointed to a very interesting fact: many young arabs in France vote for Lepen, our very own little Hitler. You know why? Coz they beleive they are French before they are muslims.

Those who beleive they are Muslims before being French will see their sorry ass out of our lovely land. There's no room for you ppl.

Do you know what we say about arabs in our country? "Give them a hand and they'll take your arm"

There's no room for you ppl.

Like I said, your wife, she liked it.

Go and tend to your goat herd in your pathetic country you stupid peasant. People like you are not even worth talking to.

Posted by: geez at April 24, 2007 1:55 AM

...IF...??? what they say above is not part of Islam, then where is the outrage from other clerics/Imams, and moderate muslim..

Where is the clerics telling their people in their mosques that this is not on, that Islam teaches love, patience, harmony, tolerance etc..
Could the reason be because the Quran doesnt teach these things, in fact these world wide clerics/Imams are in fact teaching what the Quran does say, and that is to take the world for Allah, slaughter all who will not submit.. As Mohammad said, A terrorised people are easier to conqure...

Posted by: Gaye at April 24, 2007 9:12 AM

Do you know what we say about arabs in our country? "Give them a hand and they'll take your arm" Posted by: geez

Love that saying! Gonna have to borrow it

Posted by: Mr Ape Pig at April 24, 2007 2:26 PM

Do you know what we say about arabs in our country? "Give them a hand and they'll take your arm"
Posted by: geez

More like they take your head,then your property,then your wife,then your kids.BUT they cannot take your soul which is the very thing thier MASTER desires so much.

These are just shells of people there is nothing inside of them,there can't be.THEY ARE HOLLOW.

I have had a painting of "The Battle of Tours" on my page for about three years now.

Posted by: Dar al-harb at April 24, 2007 5:50 PM

Yep, this is why I named my blog "What Would Charles Martel Do?" after having previously having that printed on a bag, on a bumper sticker, etc.

Actually, that was a general response. But quite a bit more appropriate now even.

Posted by: Pim's Ghost at April 24, 2007 7:06 PM

I would like to point out a few things here. First, if as a proud French-American and Catholic, I would personally go to France in her defense and fight and die before Muslims took her. I believe that many catholics and Frenchmen around the world would do the same if the battle got particularly heated (yes, so would Muslims, but they are poorly armed, and poorly trained. Thus one of us is roughly five of them).

Also on a side note. I think that we as Americans whine far too much about our immigration problem with Latinos coming into our country. I always say, "Hey, I am very grateful that we have (mostly) devout catholic people coming to our country who are hard working and integrate rather nicely. After all, be happy we aren't in Europe's position with that same immigration problem only with violent, intolerant, and non-integrate able Muslims. When you put perspective on it, it makes our situation seem a whole lot better." And it is South America, I believe, that is Christianity's hope for the future. Latin America is Christianity's answer to the middle east. They are Overwhelmingly Christian (97%), are still very fervent about their religion, reproduce at ridiculous numbers (like Muslims), and are slowly spreading out their people and therefore influence. I just hope we won't have to storm Europe in another D-Day like fashion in order to save it from Islam's clutches. God bless both Americas, North and South.

Posted by: beantown256 at April 25, 2007 5:25 PM

The jihadists can have the place too!

I find myself wondering if 1-)western Europe is even open to assistance from America anymore (don't be surprised if the EU officials tell NATO to go suck an egg on this and other issues) and 2-)if Europe (western Europe at least) is still worth saving or salvageable at this point or 3-)if we can still consider western Europe part of western civilization, so far have these people drifted away.

We may have to bid Europe as we once knew it 'Auld Lang Syne'. Even if we do try to salvage the place from Islamic insurgents.

Posted by: pythagoras at April 26, 2007 2:23 PM