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April 23, 2007

Islamic intimidation in the West

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Did you know that two people in the West -- one in Norway and one in Canada -- have been physically attacked recently for remarks that Muslims perceived as critical of Islam?

I didn't think so. That's the subject of this week's Jihad Watch videoblog at Hot Air.

Posted by Robert at April 23, 2007 3:07 PM
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Man, the jihadists sure like to pick on the good-looking women!

Dorks.

Posted by: Allahfanculo [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 23, 2007 3:44 PM

Very well stated Robert...

Americans need to be very careful how they stand up to these threats... I have become much more careful, even where I live. I have to be more alert.
KnightHawk

Posted by: KnightHawk [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 23, 2007 3:52 PM

The poster in this image perpetuates a rank mis-translation from the original, classical Arabic.

The "Be in "Behead" should actually be read as "Give".

But be forgiving of the illiterates.

Mohammad was one.

__________________________________________________

On an intelligence note, do the CIA, NSA, MI-5/6 track English to Arabic websites that will "translate" material for a fee?

These services say that they can furnish "Aerospace" "Defense" "Finance" "Government", "Legal", "Telecommunication", "Medical" and other kinds of potentially-sensitive Translations?

Who are these people? And what ELSE do they do with this material?

E.G.(one in the U.K.):

http://www.worldlingo.com/en/langauges/arabic_translation.html

I'll mention it to our guys.

Someone in England should forward this question to your services.

(Seems like a perfect potential data-skimming operation posing as a handy middleman.)

Posted by: profitsbeard [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 23, 2007 4:02 PM

Allahfanculo these pious muslims islamist are so brave there was what five men who beat that women senseless. yeah islam is made for cowardly men who have to ambush and attack unarmed civilians. l have not so much fear as contempt for those cowards. l am not islamphobic, but anti islamofaicsits. nothing gets me more riled up when these cowards beat up on women, children, older people, animals. these pious muslims islamists are to be pited with contempt for their savagery and when captured by the military,police, should be trialed and throw away the key. and no rugs or hala meals!

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 23, 2007 4:04 PM

Sorry- typo (sic) in link above:

http://www.worldlingo.com/en/languages/arabic_translation.html

Posted by: profitsbeard [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 23, 2007 4:05 PM

HELLO! HELLO!
THIS GUY NEEDS TO BE THE FIRST TO GET THE BOOT RIGHT OUT OF THE GOOD OLD USA!
He is Imam Fouad ElBayly, president of the Johnstown Islamic Center.
By the following comment, he told ALL in his center, the right thing to do is "kill" those who defame Islam...So what is short of that? Being beat, kicked and what ever comes close to death!

"She( Hirsi Ali) has been identified as one who has defamed the faith. If you come into the faith, you must abide by the laws, and when you decide to defame it deliberately, the sentence is death,"
said ElBayly, who came to the U.S. from Egypt in 1976.
http://pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/rss/print_503977.html
HELLO! HELLO! HELLO!
THIS ASSH--- GOT TO GO!

Posted by: Joe Schmoe USA [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 23, 2007 4:11 PM

This is only the beginning. There will be much, much more of this, probably carried out in a systematic, targeted way.

I see two important routes of action for us:

More efficient anonymizing services to ensure that the information they do not want disseminated is out there nonetheless, even if without a name behind it.

Using their Achilles' Heel to our advantage: blasphemy, caricatures, the sordid truth about their "sacred" texts, the filthy life of Mo, haram stuff like alcohol and pork. Anything deemed offensive, i.e., a lot as the past couple of years have shown beyond any doubt.

We have a major, major advantage in the psychological warfare department. However, all this is probably a few years further down the road, when squeamishness about such methods will lose any meaning.

Posted by: anti-uffe [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 23, 2007 4:15 PM

You know things are bad when Somalians and Pakis start complaining about their security in the West.

P.S. Hugh seems awfully quiet today - not that he has to be online 24/7.

Posted by: Infidel Pride [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 23, 2007 4:26 PM

This probably means that Hugh is busy writing two or three essays for publication here, and reading a weighty tome on Islamic history. Oh, and not to forget, thinking about what difficult words to pepper the text with.

Posted by: anti-uffe [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 23, 2007 4:32 PM

6th Pillar of Islam

Observant Moslems must contribute to a pervasive fear among Infidels that criticizing Islam will entail personal ruination, injury or murder, and could well result in the same for the critic’s family, colleagues, neighbors and, if warranted, even their descendants, until such time that the humiliating stain the criticism placed on Islam is cancelled out, and it is guaranteed that no such criticism will be leveled at Islam again.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 23, 2007 4:40 PM

More than 2.

Posted by: Lame Cherry [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 23, 2007 4:40 PM

Imam Fouad ElBayly (and others): "We're peaceful. We're reasonable. Kill Hirsi Ali. Kill Salman Rushdie. Kill anybody who disagrees. Kill anybody who questions. Kill anybody who's not us. And when we finally rule the world, let's all kill each other because it's so Allah-mighty holy to do it! (Yay, death! We love death!)"

Posted by: A_Nonny_Mouse [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 23, 2007 4:47 PM

I have been saying this for years:

Islam itself must be banned as a "protected religion."

We are under no obligation to accept Islam within our midst. We MUST understand that Mohammad was an evil man and his religion is evil.

As for the so-called "moderate Muslims," who are defined negatively by NOT being violent, they have a choice: leave Islam or leave the United States (and the West by extension).

There can be no compromise with evil. Give it an inch and it will bite of your leg.


  • The Flying Imams

  • The Somali Cabdrivers

  • The veiled driver's license

  • The demands for separate prayer facilities

  • and on, and on, and on

This will not stop until we stand up to these bullies and deny their validity.

Ethelred

Posted by: Ethelred [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 23, 2007 4:56 PM

I'm rather surprised (pleasantly so) that the Mississauga attack has been well covered by national and local media - at least as viewed from Toronto. This includes the CBC.

Posted by: johnb [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 23, 2007 5:07 PM

ZenaWarriorPrincess - love that title...

You are absolutely correct. I can personally attest that there is not a more pathetic excuse for a male - I won't use the word "Man" in the same sentence to describe a pisslam male, the most pathetice excuses on the planet. Welfare parasites in whatever country they are defiling, demanding special priveledges - based upon nothing they have done meritoriously, just a self-created sense of entititlement.

Pisslam - Satanic death cult of cretins and imbeciles.

Posted by: IOWarrrior [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 23, 2007 5:15 PM

More than my disgust with Islam and what it stands for, I have real hatred for the government now more than ever, And I don't she much hope on the horizon with Hillary calling in Dubai Bil to be the ambassador to the world.

The is no compassion in denying the source of Islamic teoorism.

Posted by: KAOSKTRL [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 23, 2007 5:17 PM

Canadian immigration has been very lax. While this latest attack was terrible, I hope it stirs up some second thoughts among the blissfully idealistic multi-cultis who frame that policy. If present trends continue, sled dogs will become an endangered species along with the polar bears. And Canadian bacon? Fuggetaboutit.

Posted by: jewdog [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 23, 2007 5:26 PM

Piss on Me, Muhammad!

Did you know that Muhammad’s urine had healing effects? Here is what Ash Shifa writes about a woman who drank some of Muhammad's urine. He told her, “You will never complain of a stomach ache.” He did not order any of them to wash their mouths out nor did he forbid them to do it again, (Ash Shifa, p 36).

The hadith of the woman drinking the urine is sound. Ad Daraqutni follows Muslim and al Bukhari who relate it in the Sahih. The name of this woman was Baraka, but they disagree about her lineage. Some say that it was Umm Ayman, who used to serve the Prophet. She said that the Messenger of Allah had a wooden cup which he placed under his bed in which he would urinate during the night. One night he urinated in it and then examined it in the morning, there was nothing in it. He asked Baraka about that. She said, “I got up and felt thirsty, so I drank it without knowing. The hadith is related by Ibn Jurayl and others. (ibid, p 37)

http://www.news.faithfreedom.org/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1218

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 23, 2007 5:27 PM


The pig farmer..Islam only has 5 pillar and 6 articles of faith...nothing can be added to that.

When I hear stories like this, I feel like denying the bit of somaliness in me...Ashamed of these so called good looking women, hardly If you asked me.

Clearly stupidity has no sense. They claim they want to reform Islam but instead attack the very people they should be wooing to their side..LOL..

..."He who changes his religion, kill him"...

There haven't been any fatwas against these because they are hardly taken notice of by MUSLIMS

Posted by: Abdullah [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 23, 2007 5:39 PM

@Abdullah

your

Clearly stupidity has no sense.

Question:

You wouldn't happen to know where I could get a bottle of Prophet Madhound's piss, would you?

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 23, 2007 5:45 PM

Although I'm usually in full aggreement when exsgtbrown ends his posts with "....Ban Muslim immigration now..." I have to make this exception: Westernized Muslim women (like Kadra in the picture above) who want to escape the chains of Sharia should be given asylum. The condition would be that, if they marry, they must marry a non-Muslim and agree to raise any children in the husband's faith. Marrying a Muslim would revoke their immigration status.

After all, a woman as attractive as Kadra (Allahfanculo is right about this absolute babe!!!!!) will have no problem finding a kaffir man to hook up with.

Posted by: Provoslavni [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 23, 2007 6:04 PM

Alarmed pig farmer,
On Jihad and the Quranic concept of war

The US Army War College's journal had an interesting article on The Quranic Concept of War (the title of a book by Brigadier General S. K. Malik of the Pakistani Army). From reading the article, and from my own readings of Qur'an and Hadith, I've come to the conclusion that the vast majority of Westerners do not understand the full concept of Jihad

Jihad is not just armed fighting. It is not just car bombings or crashing planes into buildings. Jihad encompasses any and all acts which serve to advance Islam and the power of Muslims, or weaken the power of non-Muslims.

The end-goal of Jihad is to produce an environment where non-Muslims are afraid to speak out against Islam, and where Muslims do not experience any opposition to their spreading Islam by word and deed

In accordance with this, many activities can be seen as being part of Jihad:

  • The fatwa against Salman Rushdie is part of Jihad, because it intimidates other writers from mocking Islam
  • Filing "hate speech" charges against anyone who is critical of Islam (as happened in Australia to Rev Daniel Scott) is part of Jihad, since it intimidates others from speaking out
  • Murdering artists who make movies critical of Islam (as happened to Theo van Gogh), and politicians critical of Islam (Pim Fortuyn ) is part of Jihad, because it makes others afraid to speak out
  • A Muslim co-worker complaining about you to your boss because you made remarks critical of Islam, in an attempt to get you fired, is part of Jihad, because it creates a work environment where others are afraid to negatively discuss the topic
  • Gaining a degree of financial control over media outlets (like the Saudi Prince who bought a large percentage of Fox News) is part of Jihad, since it allows Muslims to shape how they are portrayed in the media
  • Posted by: PapaBear [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 23, 2007 6:07 PM

    abdullah,
    Clearly stupidity has no sense. They claim they want to reform Islam but instead attack the very people they should be wooing to their side..LOL..

    Muslims cannot be "wooed". Islam cannot be "reformed". Islam is inherently evil. Any compromise with evil is itself evil. Those who choose not to submit have no choice but to eradicate Islam entirely

    Posted by: PapaBear [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 23, 2007 6:10 PM

    Provoslavni

    I hate to sound cruel or insensitive, but how exactly do you tell genuine dissidents like Kadra from Jihadis who pretend to be dissidents, and then go about passively promoting Muslim infiltration? We should bolt the gates completely. If Muslim dissidents in dar ul Islam are then persecuted and killed, their blood will be on the hands of their oppressors, not ours.

    Posted by: Infidel Pride [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 23, 2007 6:18 PM

    Can you imagine these six standing up gainst islamic intimidation and other assorted nonsense?

    Warren Christopher. [eunuch]
    Madeline Halfbright. [wear that headscarf]
    Wesley Clark. [attacked Serbia]
    Ramsey Clark. [PBS weakling]
    Sandy Burglar. [felon]
    Janet Reno. [the Cuban-baby thief]


    SAY NO TO HITLERY IN THE WHITE HOUSE!!!

    Hitlery will bring in these and maybe worse types into the White House!! She is a Liberal posing as a centrist! She's playing us on the War.. knowing the Democrat Left will howl and shriek. Then she'll offer Obama second billing as VP.

    She did plenty of bad things as First Lady. She gets in there to run things.. say GOODBYE to your military.. say goodbye, Israel.

    Don't forget, she kissed Arafart's wife when she was in the White House with Bill.

    AND.. she redefines OOGLY.

    I am hoping that Conservatives will vote for ANYBODY BUT!!

    IMHO Giluinai is good and understands the moslem mentality to be similar to the MAFIA mentality.

    He broke up the mob in NYC - I'd like to see him take on the "largest mob of rapists and pedophiles roaming the Earth."

    I forget whom I am stealing this from but the quote is priceless.

    Posted by: Allahfanculo [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 23, 2007 6:33 PM

    I asked America's future president to post this on his site. It is an illustration of what is happening at the Canadian borders. Here is the link...

    http://foehammer.net/zenphoto/cartoons/Martha.jpg

    Posted by: The Resistance [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 23, 2007 6:39 PM

    Yes, Zena.

    They sure like to gang up on people when they attack. They are true cowards.

    I am an islamosavant.

    Posted by: Allahfanculo [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 23, 2007 7:04 PM

    "...seems awfully quiet today...."

    Cat got my tongue.

    Posted by: Hugh [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 23, 2007 7:18 PM

    Re: Robert's talk

    Pretty girl, I hope these bastards did not damage her face. It's amazing that people still do such things in the name of God. It's amazing.

    Posted by: Frank [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 23, 2007 7:28 PM

    Re; "...seems awfully quiet today...."
    Cat got my tongue.
    Posted by: Hugh at April 23, 2007 07:18 PM

    I got a hunch Hugh likes cats. However, I'm not so sure he likes people-LOL. Who can blame him?

    "The cat's out of the bag".

    Posted by: Frank [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 23, 2007 7:30 PM

    R.S. says: "Western government leaders should move now to [list of intelligent things]."

    I'm sure they'll get right on that. Their ONLY responsibility is protecting the American People, so how could they not?

    I feel safer already.

    ----------

    The external enemies can never be addressed until the internal enemies are addressed.

    Posted by: Arm A. Geddon [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 23, 2007 8:01 PM

    Ahmedinejad wants a TV debate with Bush.

    http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/04/23/africa/ME-GEN-Iran-US.php

    Posted by: pez [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 23, 2007 8:50 PM

    Allahfuncala says:

    I am hoping that Conservatives will vote for ANYBODY BUT!! (Hitlery)


    Upon the first 100days of office I expect either Hitlery or B. "Hussien" Obama to establish a new Cabinet level Department of Islamic Relations. No new building or offices needed. They will simply have the sign changed at Washington CAIR office and appoint Ibrahim Hooper to head it as the new Secretary of Islam.

    Does anyone think a Conservative can be elected if we are still stuck in tarbaby Iraq in Nov. 08 ? I don't.

    We need a candidate with a fresh view right away. One who can get us out of Iraq with some semblance of dignity and be ready to kick some serious Iranian butt.

    Posted by: Leave Iraq Now [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 23, 2007 8:52 PM

    Craptalker-to-the-core,
    Here's a bit of hate speech.I hate people who threaten to kill other people because they have exercised their freedom of speech.

    Posted by: wallyUK [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 23, 2007 8:52 PM

    Seem's awfully quiet today, well some do have to work for a living. lol

    Posted by: AMartinez [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 23, 2007 8:53 PM

    I can't remember a day in U.S. history when a Catholic had to hire a bodyguard to protect himself from a Lutheran, or a Baptist had to hire a bodyguard to protect himself from a Methodist.

    True, there was a day when these faiths were very antagonistic towards one another, but it never seems to have occured to any of them that it was a duty of their faiths to kill one another.

    All of them were quite aware of the muderous history of religious conflict in the old world, but they were determined to move on to a more enlightented and tolerant society than the one they left behind in Europe.

    In the end it all payed off. Everyone agreed to disagree, but to defend each others right to believe as they wished.

    So why are we importing Muslims into this country -- a religion that doesn't have the slightest concept of religious tolerance?

    Exactly what do we expect Muslims to contribute to the great American experiment, except maybe the hatred, fear and intolerance we thought we left behind in the old world?

    When Americans have to hire bodyguards to protect themselves from Muslims who think they can dictate to others what they can say or believe, we'd better start asking what we're doing to ourselves.

    Posted by: rational [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 23, 2007 8:59 PM

    Great cat vid....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ860P4iTaM

    Posted by: Frank [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 23, 2007 9:02 PM

    As one who worships and serves the living God, I have more respect for a decent souled Atheist than I have for these Muslims. They no respect for others, themselves or God. (If they respected God they wouldn't ascribe such horrible things to Him.)

    Posted by: IAmFree [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 23, 2007 9:03 PM

    sorry, this is off topic but feel its important!

    Multi-faith appeal for Johnston .....from the BBC.

    this muslim cleric claims that it may not be muslims that have kidnapped the BBC journalist, johnston.

    "Imam Dr Abdul-Jalil Sajid said: "We need to show our solidarity together, as a multi-faith... to hope that the kidnappers - maybe Christian, maybe Muslim, maybe anybody else - listen to us and release Alan very soon."

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6582485.stm

    Posted by: leonthepigfarmer [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 23, 2007 9:13 PM

    leonthepigfarmer-

    I heard it was UFO's got Johnston of the BBC in Gaza.

    Crescent-shaped UFO's.

    Untrustworthy Fedayeen Outlaws.

    Posted by: profitsbeard [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 23, 2007 9:56 PM

    A bit late, but I thought I'd post it anyhow:

    http://sheikyermami.com/2007/04/24/a-very-quiet-terrorist-trial-downunder/

    Posted by: sheik yer'mami [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 23, 2007 10:09 PM

    "Did you know that two people in the West -- one in Norway and one in Canada -- have been physically attacked recently for remarks that Muslims perceived as critical of Islam?"

    True Muslim reformers should be on record as opposing further mass immigration of Muslims to the west, until Islam is thoroughly reformed, assuming that is even possible. For one thing, the reformers appear to be on the most immediate hit list and so this would be a logical move in the interests of self-preservation. But if they are honest about Islam, then they need to go on record to protect infidels as well. Westerners do that all the time - champion the causes of and sometimes even laying their lives on the line for "the other". I expect no less of Muslims. But if they won't do that and they actually welcome further Muslim immigration to the west, thereby endangering all of us, then I'm sorry to say, that their fate is of no concern to me, because it's a fate that awaits us all in the end. (BTW - this isn't directed at these 2 particular individuals whom I am unfamiliar with. It's a general thought about the issue of what we mean by "moderate" Muslim or genuine Muslim reformer.)

    Posted by: Caroline [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 23, 2007 10:27 PM

    I live in Canada and if i choose to exercise my legal rights to free speech and it happens to offend a Muslim and they try and Touch me in any way it will be a very sorry mistake on their part. Enough of this cowering from Muslims and from fear of Islam , we need to stand up and call it out and not curl up and take beatings or threats from this Violent Cult.

    There are NO victims Here. At least as far as i'm concerned.

    Just try It!

    Posted by: MoBlows [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 23, 2007 11:28 PM

    "how exactly do you tell genuine dissidents like Kadra from Jihadis who pretend to be dissidents, and then go about passively promoting Muslim infiltration?" posted by Infidel Pride.

    Very easy. Islam allows Muslim men to marry kaffir women but absolutely forbids Muslim women from marrying anyone but a Muslim. For this reason, I'd give asylum to any woman who breaks this sharia law. If the Muslima marries a Christian, Jew, or Hindu, and agrees to raise her children as such, she is granted asylum.

    This accomplishes two things in the war against Islam. 1: It encourages their women to stop breeding jihadists in exchange for the freedom of living outside of sharia, and 2: undermines the cohesion of Islamic societies by causing Muslims to see their own women as a potential fifth column against them.

    Posted by: Provoslavni [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 23, 2007 11:28 PM

    Provoslavni,

    Brilliant.

    Posted by: vergescue [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 23, 2007 11:38 PM

    After all, a woman as attractive as Kadra (Allahfanculo is right about this absolute babe!!!!!) will have no problem finding a kaffir man to hook up with.
    Posted by: Provoslavni


    I really don't belive she's a threat to our way of life. I have a beautiful and very loving / loveable girlfriend but if I were "free" I'd definitely be a Man she worhty of her consideration.

    She'd be treated a whole lot better than anything a moslem would do... movies.. dinner.. fun...

    Stupid moslems..

    And now I must call it a good night.. my woman has had her fill of my clacking the keys.. and she is calling me.. :-)

    So I shall heed her sweet siren call.. :-)

    Posted by: Allahfanculo [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 24, 2007 2:48 AM

    Gidday from Australia. On Sunday my daughter took her daughter to the Brisbane Hospital as her daughter had, had a cut a few hrs earlier and already the poison was many centimetres long, and a Dr had told her to get her to the hospital.
    After sitting there for a couple of hrs and being told it would be three hrs before she could see anyone, a woman in a full burka came in with her child. The child didn't look too bad but the mother demanded to see the Dr, and naturally the secretary said that she could go and sit down, but this woman demanded that she wanted to see a dr NOW, once again the secretary told the woman to sit down that many of these people had been waiting 2 hrs already and were ahead of her, but this arrogant woman once again demanded, ""NOW"", and she got to see the Dr immediately..
    but that wasn't all, a while later another two Muslim woman wearing only the head scarf came in and it started all over again..
    My daughter just got up and walked out in disgust, her time was being put back because of the demands of these women's...

    Luckily my daughter had used homeopathic on her daughter before she went in to the hospital and poulticed it when she came home, and it got better... I never ever thought that I could become racist let along learn to hate...

    Posted by: Gaye [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 24, 2007 9:06 AM

    The pig farmer..Islam only has 5 pillar and 6 articles of faith...nothing can be added to that.

    I'll do as I see fit. Islam badly requires many additions, and even more subtractions.

    Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 24, 2007 10:38 AM

    Gaye

    In my opinion your daughter's beef with the receptionist and the rude muslim females, who always feel that their problems trump everyone elses, would have been better served by a little vocalization. Was she fearful? Learn to fight..learn how to protest righteously and be prepared to defend yourselves...or disappear as muslims say you will. I am still shaking my head.

    Posted by: pismopal [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 24, 2007 11:12 AM

    Gaye

    That experience does not make you a racist. Your daughter, though, should have raised hell with the receptionist for allowing someone who arrived after her being admitted before her, and taken it out on the Muslimah klansbabe as well.

    Posted by: Infidel Pride [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 24, 2007 12:43 PM

    Five years ago I was almost attacked in a California city by two Arab males (in what was almost certainly a professional attempted hit). My life was likely spared by an eyewitness who made his presence known, causing the pair to run off.

    I know I cannot be the only person in the western democracies who has had things like this happen to them.

    Posted by: pythagoras [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 25, 2007 8:29 PM

    I second the approval of Provoslavni's brilliant post. I think he's right.

    Note - a common theme of medieval crusader romances is the beautiful Saracen girl who falls in love with the crusader and of course converts and goes home with him. One legend even has it that St Thomas of Canterbury's mother was such a woman.

    Robert's 'Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades)' includes a quote on p 134 from Fulcher of Chartres writing about the Crusader kingdoms in the Holy Land: "some of the men have taken wives, not merely of their own people, but Syrians, or Armenians, OR EVEN SARACENS WHO HAVE RECEIVED THE GRACE OF BAPTISM". Sensible Saracen girls!

    One huge temptation for a Muslimah must surely be the fact that, if the non-Muslim man is a Jew or a Christian, his faith prescribes monogamy. I don't know enough about the usual practice in other major non-Muslim world faiths so I won't discuss those. (All secular western systems of law forbid marrying more than one wife).

    The Hebrew patriarchs and early kings had multiple wives, but in Genesis marriage is one man + one woman, and in fact Judaism has been fiercely monogamous for a very long time. Christianity (my own faith) inherited monogamy from Judaism as the gold standard, human sins and failures notwithstanding. Listen up, Muslim ladies: marry a practising Christian and your husband will have to publicly swear, during the marriage ceremony, that YOU ARE AND WILL BE THE ONLY ONE. The priest asks him: "Wilt thou have this Woman to thy wedded wife, to live together after God's ordinance in the holy estate of Matrimony? Wilt thou LOVE HER, comfort her, honour and keep her in sickness and in health, AND FORSAKING ALL OTHER, KEEP THEE ONLY UNTO HER, SO LONG AS YOU BOTH SHALL LIVE?" (The very same question is asked of the wife - see - perfect reciprocity, though the oldest form of words has her being asked to 'obey' - not so hard when the man has already publicly sworn to love her; modern liturgies omit 'obey' so the vow is identical for both parties). [All capitals are mine, added for emphasis of key points].

    And get this one too, Muslim ladies - in a Catholic or an Anglican marriage, the giving of the rings takes place with each partner saying to the other a declaration like this, "With this ring I thee wed, WITH MY BODY I THEE WORSHIP, and with all my worldly goods I thee endow". That is: the husband and wife 'honour'/ 'worship' one another with their bodies in the sexual aspect of marriage. Yet again in this most intimate realm we see the principle of mutual reciprocity, giving and receiving, that runs right through all decent human civilisations - except Islam.

    And oh yes: both the Hebrew and Christian Scriptures explicitly command men to LOVE their wives, and NEVER, anywhere, command beatings. So domestic violence in Jewish and Christian communities has no scriptural sanction; it happens, sadly, but it was never commanded or approved.

    Surely, for any thinking Muslim girl, the chance to have a husband whom she would NEVER have to share with any other wife or concubine, a husband whose holy books tell him in no uncertain terms to LOVE her, NOT hit her, ought to sound pretty good?

    Posted by: dumbledoresarmy [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 25, 2007 10:27 PM

    Just adding a small correction to my posting above: I should have written "in the story of Creation - Genesis 2: 24 - marriage is one man + one woman" (and Jesus endorses this assumption in Mark 10: 2-9, Matthew 19: 4-6, ).

    Posted by: dumbledoresarmy [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 26, 2007 10:18 PM

    Maybe they get their teachings partly from that crap rap BS (see the thread on that NH punk)...since one of their latest sexual euphemistics consists of such widely accepted babble as:
    "I'd hit it."...and got it confused with striking a person maliciously.

    After all, both groups are mindless minions. lol

    ;-)

    Posted by: jcom972 [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 26, 2007 10:49 PM

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