"We have a very good economic system that will deal with homelessness in this country. In Palestine, Jews, Christians and Muslims lived peacefully for over 500 years under Shariah law."

Mr. Islam, do yourself a favor and do a little research before you say a quote like that one.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at May 1, 2007 2:16 PM

Oil and water don't mix.

Posted by: sounder at May 1, 2007 2:22 PM

what does sharia law say about good moslems speaking in the language of the infidel? or using the currency of the infidel? it seems to me that good moslems should not speak english or trade in dollars, pounds etc ...

Posted by: Bill Cross at May 1, 2007 2:25 PM

“We have a very good economic system that will deal with homelessness in this country.”

‘We’, your oppressors, wish you a collective ‘you’re welcome’. The thing that will bring an end to this game is the collapse of the social safety net.

Q: What do you call a Dhimmi with an empty stomach?
A: An angry Infidel.

Posted by: pez at May 1, 2007 2:25 PM

More Photos of the Demon-stration can be found here.Halloween certainly has come early, becareful of your choices in 'Trick & treat' http://gaiaseye.buzznet.com/user/photos/recent/

Posted by: BornInfidel at May 1, 2007 2:43 PM

"We have a very good economic system...."

Nowadays it's known as a protection racket....

NO THANKS

Posted by: eve_anne_gelical at May 1, 2007 2:44 PM

""We definitely want to see Sharia law in place here"

....This has been heard throughout the Muslim dominated lands...take a look a the Non Muslim populations and number of members of Non Muslim religions in these areas....then you can see what happens when Sharia law and the religious police take over....

...you must say "no" to Sharia law...

Posted by: exsgtbrown at May 1, 2007 2:47 PM

BTW isn't espousing the implementation of sharia law....with only moslems in control....and doing away with the current gov't SEDITION?

If not, laws should be implemented immediately in every country that anyone calling for sharia is seditious.

Posted by: eve_anne_gelical at May 1, 2007 2:48 PM

Like a poster at LGF said,
is this a Star Wars convention?
http://gaiaseye.buzznet.com/user/photos/?id=4992204

Posted by: interestinconundrum at May 1, 2007 2:50 PM

Here's your sharia

[img]http://www.news.faithfreedom.org/gallery2/d/52-1/flogging.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.news.faithfreedom.org/gallery2/d/70-1/stoning3.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.news.faithfreedom.org/gallery2/d/58-2/hang4.jpg[/img]

Posted by: interestinconundrum at May 1, 2007 2:57 PM

Try this
http://www.news.faithfreedom.org/gallery2/main.php

Posted by: interestinconundrum at May 1, 2007 3:00 PM

If you want Sharia, sell your houses, cars and electronics. Move your asses back to your dust bowl, buy a mud hut and ride a camel.

In other words....if you don't like it here, get the hell out. Live with our rules or go elsewhere.

If we want Sharia, we'll move to Pakistan.

Posted by: The Goobs at May 1, 2007 3:04 PM

"We definitely want to see Sharia law in place here. We want to see it implemented for everyone. Only then will there be harmony and there will be peace and justice amongst mankind."...

Sure, a world full of dead infidels would be peaceful. Then comes the battle over whose brand of Islam is the true brand-a battle that will make all others before it look tame by comparison.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at May 1, 2007 3:05 PM

"Mr Islam, who was born in Britain and also lived in Luton, said: "As Muslims we cannot remain silent when we see this oppression. This oppression is in the form of a war against Islam. We have to speak out."

Hasn't Tony Blair already given some parts of England the right to Sharia law? Let's hope this makes him and the rest of Parliament rethink such foolishness. Now all we need is for a British leader to come out and say:

"Mr Islam, as a loyal British subject I cannot remain silent in the face of this war of oppression being waged by Muslims against all who don't share their faith. I have to speak out. I am not a dhimmi and I don't recognize the dominion of Allah and I don't recognize Muhammad's claim to speak for my God. Muhammad is not my prophet. I am a free man and I have a right to my own religion. I don't recognize your right to levy the jizya on me and I will not pay."

Posted by: PMK at May 1, 2007 3:06 PM

I have a proposal for these islamists, or perhaps for some moderate muslims to work on, as they are developing new and more modern ways to interpret the Qur'an.

Remember the "furthest mosque" verse, Sura 17:1:

"Glory be to Him Who took His devotee (Muhammad) one night from Masjid-al-Haram (in Mecca) to Masjid-al-Aqsa, whose vicinity We have blessed, so that We may show him some of Our signs: surely He is the One Who is the Hearer, the Observer."

As you know there are two basic competing interpretations for the verse. In the first case, the furtherst mosque is the Al Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem (forgetting the minor historical point that it wasn't built until centuries after Mo -- presumably Allah can do time travel); the second interpretation has a mosque either in Medina or elsewhere in the Arabian Peninsula.

Well...

Presumably the Qur'an must be taken quite literally. If this mosque is indeed the "furthest mosque" (clearly meaning "furthest from the Masjid Al Haram in Mecca), then it would follow that the construction of a mosque at any greater distance is a violation of the Qur'an and therefore disobedience to Allah!

So, let us take three baselines: the distance from Mecca to Jerusalem (about 700 miles), and the distance from Mecca to the farthest point in Arabia (about 1000 miles) or, for strict Medinists, Mecca-Medina distance as the buzzard flies(about 200 miles).

Draw a circle around Mecca with this (take your pick) radius. According to the Qur'an, which must not be violated, and which is for all time (!) it is an offense to Allah to build a mosque outside this circle. In any case let us forbid any mosque construction in the North and West of Jerusalem...

They can fight it out amongst themselves, but one of these three figures must represent the Quran'ic extreme outer bounds on Dar al Islam, n'est-ca pas? Last I checked, England (like the US) is outside all three circles.

All faithful muslims must heretofore cease using other buildings as mosques, stop building mosques outside this circle, and work to have all existing mosques outside this circle converted into museums or homeless shelters. When this happens perhaps the anger of Allah against the Ummah will be slaked and prosperity might return to the muslim nation.

Posted by: Archimedes2 at May 1, 2007 3:08 PM

With sharia we can enjoy this kind of medical care.
http://www.news.faithfreedom.org/gallery2/v/SiteGraphics/muminsalih/Camel+Urine.jpg.html

Posted by: interestinconundrum at May 1, 2007 3:11 PM

We definitely want to see the Killer Zombies governed with shariat law on their very own planet---how about Pluto or Mercury, for example?

BUT--

We're NOT going to let them have this one!

Posted by: pythagoras at May 1, 2007 3:14 PM

The CRUSADE AGAINST ISLAM sign is the picture of the day and caption. Yes it is ignorance of the English language as they meant "there is a crusade against Islam", but who knows perhaps it will spread as imams start chanting, "Death to America, Death to Britain and Crusade against Islam".

Posted by: Lame Cherry at May 1, 2007 3:24 PM

Archimedes2,

Assuming you're proven right and all mosques outside a given radius are Koranically invalid, what does that mean for faithful Muslims?

Do they have to go to the mosque to remain in good standing or could they merely say their prayers in private and wait until the hajj to visit the mosque?

The former would suggest most Muslims need a change of address.

Posted by: PMK at May 1, 2007 3:26 PM

Around a dozen uniformed police barricaded the demonstrators inside barriers to keep them away from the main entrance of the police station, but there were no arrests during the one hour demo....

Damn! they could have let them all in and 'dissapeared' them!

Posted by: Jihadtobejoking at May 1, 2007 3:31 PM

Lame Cherry,

When does the CRUSADE AGAINST ISLAM begin? I need to go to the fabric store to get some material to sew a tabard. Even though I'm not English, I was thinking the St. George Cross design would make the best example.

Karl

Posted by: schwaben at May 1, 2007 3:33 PM

Albanian Terrorists Announce Greece is Next:

http://sheikyermami.com/2007/05/01/albanian-terrorists-announce-greece-is-next/

...and this is the story from London with some interesting pic's:

http://sheikyermami.com/2007/04/28/london-islamists-demonstrate-against-al-muhajiroun-arrests/

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at May 1, 2007 3:41 PM

"We have a very good economic system that will deal with homelessness in this country. In Palestine, Jews, Christians and Muslims lived peacefully for over 500 years under Shariah law."

Has there ever been a people in the history of the world as irrational as Muslims?

It's like they all live in some kind of Islamic twilight zone where facts are of no consequence, where the illogical is perfectly logical, where they all wonder around in a perpetual stupor, unable to see the Islamic hell they live in, and all the while calling it Paradise.

Surely Alice's wonderland was closer to normalcy than the Islamic wonderland.

There has to be some psychiatric term to describe the phenomena. If not, there should be.

Posted by: rational at May 1, 2007 3:51 PM

sharia has worked so well,that illegal immigration is a problem for those lands that have established it. People are moving in droves to live under sharia. Just doing some thinking.

Posted by: MP at May 1, 2007 3:53 PM

How much worse could the detainees be compared to the Protesters??? Another Politically Correct lost opportunity.

Arrest one and all their co-conspirators show up to the station on their own. How much easier could they possibly make it for the Police?

Posted by: flowerknife_us at May 1, 2007 3:59 PM

the crusade against islam has begun.

the good guys have 150,000 troops in the heart of mesopotania. we're kicking butt in terms of road kill. the good guys are going to get the oil. most of the oil proceeds will go to the kurds, our allies. a little will go to the shia country bumpkins. gotta humor them. the sunni squatters get none. so far we've given a few small oil contracts to china, japan et al. the biggest contracts will go to the home team - the usa. may halliburton and exxon reap riches. as for mo - a piece of bacon be upon her/it.

war for oil: i love it.

Posted by: Bill Cross at May 1, 2007 3:59 PM

Your Highness, what do you think then?

Charles said that "we need to act very rapidly indeed"

About islam taking over Britian?

...to avert environmental disaster

Prince Charles compared the challenge of tackling climate change to the Allies' struggle in World War II during a speech to business leaders Tuesday.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070501183732.qcbdhxdj&show_article=1

Some guys just don't give a damn.

Posted by: witness at May 1, 2007 4:03 PM

If they want an Iranian style sharia law in my country, I will join a militia that will resist Islam just like the French Resistance under Nazi France.

Posted by: The Resistance at May 1, 2007 4:12 PM

They're right. We should all convert before they beat the crap out of us. Now those jihadies are REAL men.

It's all over Christians. Give up before it's too late.

Posted by: Mekoots at May 1, 2007 4:25 PM

Yes, indeed, the Islamic states that already practice Shari'a are peaceful, honorable, freedom-loving, moral and just.

Why are these Muslims who were subjected to a system that DOES NOT WORK in their home countries, so damned eager to transport this same vile "system" to the lands they emigrate to?

Posted by: A_Nonny_Mouse at May 1, 2007 4:34 PM

"The Hun," said Winston Churchill, "is always either at your throat or at your feet."

The same applies to Muslims. If you treat them in a civilised manner they are at your throat, but of one starts taking their threats seriously, then they will be at your feet.

We dont even have to get aggressive with them - just start repatriation, and they will be begging to stay, and even become Christians, just to stay on.

Posted by: DP111 at May 1, 2007 4:39 PM

rational,

You are so correct...I can just imagine the morons at the Dome of the Rock -- running their hands lovingly along a dip in a rock and imagining -- "Hey, that's the foot-step, the indentation, left from the Prophet climbing off the Buraq! Yeah, that's it!!" The delusional Buraq believers -- that mythical beast -- face of a human, body of a mule (?), with wings, of course, and, Yeah, it flew Mo to "the furthest mosque" which later pundits just happened to claim was located in -- o surprise! -- Jerusalem! Ja. Religion!

Posted by: J.S. at May 1, 2007 4:39 PM

And the Buraq Believers expect us to take them seriously? I think not...

Posted by: J.S. at May 1, 2007 4:40 PM

I wonder why Muslims come here, in fact are so desperate, they take huge risks to get here, if they were so content with their Islamic social and economic systems in dar ul Islam.

No they come here, are insulted by food that is not halal, or are insulted by pictures of pigs, and in general behave as if we did them a great injustice by allowing them in.

Posted by: DP111 at May 1, 2007 4:44 PM

The Resistance:

"If they want an Iranian style sharia law in my country, I will join a militia that will resist Islam just like the French Resistance under Nazi France."

It's already happening:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/016258.php#comments

So sorry.

Posted by: ovidius_naso at May 1, 2007 4:53 PM

Robert Spencer has suggested laws making it illegal to try to replace the American Constitution with Sharia Law.
Can anyone think of a workable British equivalent?

Posted by: Odyessus at May 1, 2007 4:56 PM

Robert Spencer has suggested laws making it illegal to try to replace the American Constitution with Sharia Law.
Can anyone think of a workable British equivalent?
Posted by: Odyessus at May 1, 2007 04:56 PM

There seems to be no British equivalent, cf.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/016258.php

Posted by: Dane at May 1, 2007 5:39 PM

There is homelessness in pakistan, egypt, jordan, syria, sudan, libya and other holy islamic countries. If the muslims do not like to live in britain, canada, usa, europe, they can move back to the islamic paradises where they came from.

Those muslims who are native born in europe have the opportunity to move.

How about antarctica?

Posted by: callmeinfidel at May 1, 2007 5:44 PM

Britain has a huge problem-which ain't going to go away!There are many thousands of Pakis living
there[how many Dhimmi Blair & his New Labour cronies prefer not to know]maybe as many as 3/4 of a million and the darlings seem very,very angry indeed. Why they are angry is a puzzle to rational beings as they have their halal food,heath service,welfare,[which they never got in Pakistan]even Islamic banks & mosques sprouting everyone like a rash of poison fungi over already crowded face of U.K.
To anyone who studies Jihad,answer is simple if there isn't something for Muslims to gripe about-he will invent it as a pretext for attacking Infidels,taking their land & rich booty-just like
Mo did really.
And no one seems more angry & murder bent than a
Pakistani Muslims which means they will not be satisfied with blowing up a bus and a few tube stations.
Anybody else see fertilizer bomb exploded in desert-replica of what 'Famous Five' intended for
Britain? Have been to Bluewater Shopping Centre-thousands go there daily in buses from London-if
Jihadis had been able to carry out this bombing
the total of those killed or maimed would have been HORRENDOUS.

Posted by: Morgane at May 1, 2007 5:46 PM

I definitely want to see Muslims practicing Sharia at the bottom of the sea.

But do I and the millions of Brits who think these people should do one, have more say than they do?

Obviously in some posters eyes they would like to see Britain dead. But guess what, dream ON.

Posted by: Mert at May 1, 2007 6:09 PM

Mr Islam, who was born in Britain and also lived in Luton, said: "As Muslims we cannot remain silent when we see this oppression. This oppression is in the form of a war against Islam. We have to speak out."

I guess his definition of "oppression" is..."the Government is stopping us from taking over through fear & intimidation".

"Thousands of Muslims have been arrested and there have only been a handful of charges."

Ahhh yes the poor poor victim routine. This has to be established & ingrained to justify their terrorism. Sounds just like the Palestinians? Maybe the way they are being treated has to do with their own words & plots of Jihad against the rule of law [that isn't Sharia]???

Posted by: SoteriA at May 1, 2007 6:25 PM

Mert writes:
"I definitely want to see Muslims practicing Sharia at the bottom of the sea.

But do I and the millions of Brits who think these people should do one, have more say than they do?

Obviously in some posters eyes they would like to see Britain dead. But guess what, dream ON. "

Not this poster from the USA, Mert. I want to see
the British people awake from their slumber and
kick some you-know-what. Go Britain!

You've got an uphill battle, to be sure, but I bet
you can do it. First, identify the problem. It looks
like steps are being made. The article calls them
Muslims and not Asians. That's a good first step.
Chinese, Japanese, and Hindu immigrants are not the
problem in the UK.

Posted by: root_cause at May 1, 2007 6:25 PM

Mr. Islam said

As Muslims we cannot remain silent when we see this oppression. This oppression is in the form of a war against Islam.

Yet another example, if we needed one, of Islam/Western incompatibility. He is saying that if the infidels dare to arrest a Muslim, then Muslims will declare war. This "oppression" he talks about is the unbearably heavy burden of following the law, as it is written on the books, for all citizens of whatever ethnicity or religion or gender. I say it is time to end their "oppression", it is time to set them free. End their misery, and release them from this "oppressive" Western den of depravity and send them back to their glorious countries of origin. Forcibly if necessary. It is simply not fair to them to have them suffering under such "oppressive" conditions; they deserve to enjoy the full benefits of sharia, back in their homelands, in the welcoming arms of their peaceful co-religionists.

Posted by: special_guest at May 1, 2007 6:34 PM

Posted by root_cause: First, identify the problem. It looks like steps are being made. The article calls them Muslims and not Asians.

This is now apparant in all newspapers. No more hiding Muslims behinds "Asians". It is now Muslims in the DT, The Times, Daily Mail and The Express, to name a few.

Posted by: DP111 at May 1, 2007 6:41 PM

Problem identified: Nu Arbeit.

Solution: Lack of Nu Arbeit.

Posted by: Mert at May 1, 2007 6:42 PM

Islam and the Muslim culture cannot exist with other ideologies, or western democracies Theologically, because their allegiance is to Allah, the moon god of
Arabia, Religiously because no other religion is accepted by Allah except Islam (Koran, 2:256),
Scripturally because allegiance is to the five pillars of Islam and the Quran.
Geographically, because allegiance is to Mecca , to which they turn in prayer five times a day,
Socially because allegiance to Islam forbids Muslims to make friends with Christians or Jews.Politically because they must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders),who teach annihilation of Israel and Destruction of America,the great Satan, and all non-Muslim Countries on the planet,Domestically because Muslim Men are instructed to marry four women and
beat and scourge their wives when they disobey (Quran 4:34),Intellectually because they cannot accept western societies democratic values and institutions like the American Constitution
since it is based on Biblical principles and Muslims are taught to believe that the Bible is
corrupt. Philosophically noas well because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow
freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist because every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic. Spiritually no, because when America declares "one nation under God," Allah is NEVER referred to as heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in The
Quran.

Perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in non Muslim countries.

No! you just keep on thinking that you can co-exist with them after there are such great examples such as France,Britain,and an ever growing host of other EU countries that are seeing first hand what happens when you try to maintain the PC perversion of multiculturalism when dealing with this aggressive ideology that knows no bounds.

Posted by: Mackie at May 1, 2007 6:47 PM

"We definitely want to see Sharia law in place here"

Then go back home and practice it there in private. Stop cramming it down everyone's throat.

Posted by: champ at May 1, 2007 7:06 PM

One answer to the rabble presented here is voting day in Britain. A strong BNP showing would make the Sharia bound train come to a screeching halt. I can't help but feel Tony Blair's England is like someone taking sucker punches from a bully in a bar and the only reply is to extend a hand of appeasement. The enemy knows they can stand in the stret and spit on British culture under the watchful eyes of "law enforcement". The BNP may not be the only answer but the Islamists know that this is an enemy that will strike back. Like here in the USA, it never seems that you're given a clear choice of who you want to vote for but, rather it's who you want to vote against. England needs radical change or Mohammed's bullies will indeed get their wish. Do it Thursday, Brits, while you still can.

Posted by: Briars at May 1, 2007 7:27 PM

The British will only fool themselves if they try to accomodate, or appease the demands of Muslims in Britain in anyway. Compliance with the laws established under the British Crown should be preserved and maintained against any and all who reside there. Anyone who does not comply should be expeditously removed from the country or be arrested.

Posted by: Mackie at May 1, 2007 7:40 PM

"We definitely want to see Sharia law in place here"

Then go back home and practice it there in private. Stop cramming it down everyone's throat.
Posted by: champ [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 1, 2007 07:06 PM

Brace yourself for this, it may come as a shock....
During a radio phone in conversation I heard on UK Talksport radio a Muslim was laughing his head off at the suggestion that he should head back to pakistan if he was so unhappy here. His response, once he'd calmed down was to tell the presenter James Whale, that he'd no intention of going home nor had any of his friends. They were here to eventually take over the UK.
That's the plan, secret's out folks.

Posted by: Jihadtobejoking at May 1, 2007 7:45 PM

Sorry briars but the BNP is just two steps from the looniest leftist idiot. They hate the Jews and they want to reduce the army to a home defence force.

Voting BNP will not help.

Posted by: Mert at May 1, 2007 7:48 PM

I notice several of the characters on this demo had their face masked. When will this government realise that going masked in public is something that should be actively discouraged if there is even a hint of an attempt to intimidate? Until we acquired a Mohammedan presence this issue simply did not exist, but now they have made it one I think they have found the limit of what we should be prepared to tolerate. The police should have pulled all masked men out of that demo and charged them with behaviour likely to cause a breach of the peace.

Posted by: wallyUK at May 1, 2007 8:14 PM

Its easy to see how the Islamists and the leftists can sympathize with the idea of world revolution. One desires a global theocracy, the other a global socialist commune.

And they are each using the other to accomplish their own goal, and each has no reservation about wiping out the other as the final step.

Trouble is the idea is completely unrealistic.

Posted by: Greek Fire at May 1, 2007 8:16 PM

You know, I think I've got an idea where to send all these contentious Muslims and jihadiots...

The USA should get OUT of Iraq... but surround the country. Nobody in or out across the borders. Next, fly planeloads of Muslims from wherever in the world they're being a problem. Denmark, Australia, Britain, wherever. Dump 'em in Iraq, let them sort themselves out. If they can make a society, they get to develop the oilfields, etc. If all they can manage to do is kill each other: oh well, too bad...

Posted by: A_Nonny_Mouse at May 1, 2007 8:22 PM

Mert l am not from GB, but what the heck, the BNP is more likely to kick out the muslims, that any other party you have in GB. l have one word for these mecca rock lovin crowd, get the hell back to your cesspoolstan.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at May 1, 2007 8:23 PM

Yeah, the authorities will have been filming them and have now got them in their sights – except the ones in veils.

Posted by: JFGR at May 1, 2007 8:33 PM

The Arrogance of this man Islam...

Mr Spencer, Where is there a case for Sharia that has been successful?

Muslim countries are a disgusting mess politically, mentally, spritually bankrupt.

The gall is amazing.....

Posted by: LosHwy66 at May 1, 2007 8:43 PM

I find this statement funny: '"We have a very good economic system that will deal with homelessness in this country. In Palestine, Jews, Christians and Muslims lived peacefully for over 500 years under Shariah law."'

All we see in the Middle east, and other areas that have sharia law and/or muslims slaughtering nono-muslims is war, human bombs, 'honor killings' for any knotheaded reason, and the worst poverty on this globe. Their children are illiterate; have no job training; and are only trained to hate infidels, deceive, and if the child is a male they are trained that it is ok to rape, torture and kill women; and if the child is a female they are taught it is ok to be beat, killed and have their body mutilated by men and they are on the level of animals and deserve only to be sex objects.

Their 'schools' only teach the koran and usually it is foreign to the children because it is taught in arabic.

I suppose if you look at economics as getting money from saudi arabia, and other rich muslims, to buy suicide vests so you can be a martyr - then they have the perfect system - so many minds to brainwash to be human bombs. Oh, I shouldn't forget all the money they get from dhimmi nations such as ours, the EU and whoever else that I am not aware of.

Posted by: R_not at May 1, 2007 8:47 PM

I've had enough, which is why I recently joined the 910 Group. All these 'muslim civil rights protestors' should be immediately deported if they're not British nationals, and if they ARE, be indefinitely detained for reasons of national security and maybe gently persuaded to apply for nationality in some shithole...erm sorry, sharia paradise of their choice.

And this from someone who's always considered himself to be a liberal. Guess I've finally been mugged by reality...

Posted by: Infidelandlovingit at May 1, 2007 8:57 PM

I'm going to make my first predictions at Jihadwatch/Dhimmiwatch:

1) There will be a resurgence of talk about Apotemnophilia or Body Integrity Identification Syndrome in the UK, and after a few more cases end up stumped, lo and behold, a Muslim criminal, convicted in both Shariah and government courts, will be so guilt ridden and feel so separated from Allah for his transgressions (despite having served his time) that he just won't feel right about not having his hand chopped off. Enter a benevolent bivocational imam, who incidentally has impeccable surgical credentials, backed by the wacko liberal psychiatric community toting DSM-V, saying it is the right thing to do. The next volunteer will be less clear about whether he elected to have their amputation, charges will be filed, met by a lawsuit from the new stumpee over patient physician confidentiality issues. After that, no more questions will be asked, just as they don't ask about FGM in Minnesota.

2) Non-muslims will start disappearing in proximity to the Shariah courts, and investigations will turn up nothing for years. With each accusation, lawsuits will be filed, until only nervous whispers are heard.

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at May 1, 2007 9:01 PM

Civil war on the horizon? What we are waiting for an even fight, or are we too stupid to see it .... yeah too damn stupid.

Posted by: Ameriki at May 1, 2007 9:01 PM

Blah,blah ,blah .....tomorrows news will read "all muslims released without charge".The dimmis will fall all over each other seeing who could get the key in the cell door the fastest.

You know all this talk of m15 knowing about the bombers in london?

Well how terrible is that when every politician and security service see and hear the incitement for themselves?

The "taken out of context" is so passe.There is no more room for this excuse.They are not alotted over one billion times of "taken out of context."

Sad to say it though i think Britain will be giving in more and more.This will be an example because this was over 100 people that want to destroy Britain and they are given every avenue in which to do so.

This is hard for me to say because i am willing to bet there is no larger supporter of Britain than myself,but alas....

There is nothing done to counter the cries for sharia.The brits seem to be looking towards thier leaders and waiting for a light bulb to turn on over thier heads.....keep waiting.

Everyone keeps waiting for the peace train to arrive at the station....keep waiting.

Posted by: Dar al-harb at May 1, 2007 9:05 PM

Stones and Modern Plumbing do not mix.

Posted by: flowerknife_us at May 1, 2007 9:15 PM

I wonder how the sane British people will defend themselves against this coming war with islam? They have been disarmed by their courts. Their rulers deem these muslims whom say they seek to bring down their goverment and establish sharia law for all, equal to the freedom loving people's of British ancestry. And my America is next in their sights.

Posted by: AMartinez at May 1, 2007 9:20 PM

Well it’s about time the pious islamists started calling for sharia. Hey, what took you guys so long? You know better than that, you don’t wish the wrath of alla upon yourselves do you? So get up, get out and begin behaving as your manual tells you to behave. You know, the usual, start pushing all non islamists around even though you are a newcomer to these societies. Begin trampling on other citizens rights just because you are you. Show me what you got otherwise I will have to assume you are not really serious.

Posted by: tgusa at May 1, 2007 9:23 PM

Mert:

The story should be a wake-up call for all British voters. It is now or never to turn back the tide of Islamic colonisation. Successive Labour and Conservative governments have betrayed the British electorate by opening the doors to waves of bogus asylum seekers, predominantly from Islamic countries in Africa and the Middle East but under Blair’s regime, Labour have not only held the door wide open, they have allowed Muslim immigrants to rearrange the furniture and displace the original occupants.

Voters can punish the Labour traitors on Thursday by voting for the only party which will use its influence on local councils to stop any planning applications to convert houses, former pubs and other buildings into Islamic community centres, mosques or Sharia courts. A nationwide swing to the BNP will send a loud signal of protest to the establishment that we will not tolerate the creeping Islamification of our country.

-from the BNP website

Posted by: Briars at May 1, 2007 9:28 PM

The British government instituted a policy of internment in Northern Ireland during the 1970s whereby terrorist suspects of whatever persuasion could be held indefintely without trial in maximum security prisons. The time is coming when we need to do the same thing vis-a-vis Islamists residing in Britain. Those who openly call for the implementation of shariah law and those who support Islamic terrorism either openly or with weasel words need to be given the same treatment. But since Britain is basically a humane and decent country, they could also be given the option to leave the country and go and live in some Islamic wonderland such as Pakistan or Saudi Arabia.

We also need someone to make a Monty-Pythonesque film à la "The Life of Brian", possibly called "The life of Abdullah", which of course would be a skit on the life of the mad bad prophet Mohammed; this would introduce a tone of levity into the national life during these dark uncertain days.

Posted by: The Northumbrian at May 1, 2007 9:33 PM

Mert:
You continue to pole the BNP anti-Israel dogma although posters have asked you for recent examples of this and have shown you that recent proclaimations show that the BNP supports Israel in its fight against the Islamofascists.

As far as using British troops for homeland security rather than fighting foriegn wars in Iraq to preserve Islamic leaning cultures, why not? We have seen so many depressing images of Britain bowing down to Islamism and the root it has taken in its attempt to destroy the country, British troops would be better used against the enemy that is already entrenched within its borders and seeking the death of its form of government and culture. The Islamists will not lie down easily especially as the BNP seeks to re-establish British heritage instead of surrendering it to the Islamists as Labour has done. The British army's puprose is to protect the British people against such religious globalism as conveyed in the Sharia of the Islamists and not to further Corporate Globalism abroad.

Posted by: Briars at May 1, 2007 9:44 PM

From what I hear in America, the BNP are Nazis. And when someone starts labeling others Nazis that immediately makes me suspicious. Suspicious of those doing the labeling. So my calculation is, they are not Nazis but they are feared. My question, by whom?

Posted by: tgusa at May 1, 2007 10:03 PM

As I have said in the first posting, Mr. Islam should do his homework because in truth under sharia law there is nothing but complete oppression and poverty.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at May 1, 2007 10:10 PM

Free reign for murder, rape, extortion, to go forward.
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2007/05/thought_crimes_.html
Gee, last time I checked this was the USA and we have a Constitution and Bill of Rights.
I told you all ages ago that they can’t handle free speech. And now I highly doubt they can handle freedom either. Some people don’t and never will get it, others get it but they know exactly what they are doing. It is a cancer and if you know anything about cancer you will understand that some uncontaminated tissue must be removed to save the body.
Watch out for these people, they are so stupid you and I could end up dead if we don’t pay really close attention.

Posted by: tgusa at May 1, 2007 10:18 PM

Currently watching America’s highest-rated cable TV news network. The show is highlighting the ‘Hannity-Sharpton Debate’, portrayed as some pivot point of society. Basically a name-calling contest.

If anyone has the stomach to see how far our political discourse has fallen, the link is to the Lincoln-Douglas debates. It’s un-PC but an insight on the level of political debate five generations ago.

Now you get censored for quoting the Qu’ran on University blogs. These things lead to only one place. I had a great day laying out my wood-fired pizza oven. I had no idea that a 94# sack of standard cement costs $10 but a 50# sack of refractory cement goes for $33. The oven will probably put you down $200 in materials when the smoke clears. But there is a certain comfort in being independent of the electric grid. And it’s fun!

http://www.bartleby.com/251/

Posted by: pez at May 1, 2007 10:34 PM

Blair out within weeks.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/05/02/nblair02.xml

No one will be able to hold him responsible for anything now.

Posted by: Gramfan at May 1, 2007 10:43 PM

tgusa

good post, thankyou!

many people are finally cutting through the BS and seeing the BNP for what they really are. they are a national lifesaver for the british (and all british loving peoples) in the UK and beyond.

the BNP hold the same beliefs as michael savage. (borders culture language)

come may 5th local elections the BNP will give Tony Blairs, national socialist, regime a good kick in the goolies and will wake up the great british peoples!

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at May 1, 2007 10:50 PM

Mert

http://www.somethingjewish.co.uk/articles/1009_bnp_jewish_win.htm

so Patricia Richardson (nee Feldman) a jewish councillor for the BNP hates herself?

and strangely even i didnt realise that i hate jews now that i am a member of the BNP, odd that my best friend oliver is jewish and i work and drink with many jewish people. jeez, i must have a split personality. i mean maybe i sleep walk and hate "jews" in that mode and go out and wear NAZI uniforms or whatever you fantasise about the BNP?? and during the day im a "normal" person?

what is it? that all BNP members hate jewish people or the BNP organisation is a "jew" (your quote) hating party. if you can show me exactly where in their manifestos or where in the organisation that the BNP have stated their "hatred" of "jews" (your quote) then i will renounce my membership.

so please show us all your proof! or shut up with your crap neo-marxist propaganda.

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at May 1, 2007 11:03 PM

leonthepigfarmer,
I think you exactly right, you do have a superior culture to the m yet we see the weak kneed pols sell out Britain to these islamist hordes. I’m telling you from what I see happening in Britain, land of my ancestors I want to go over there and stuff their heads in the dirt, so far they never get up. We hear it/say it all the time here, war is deceit, and it is true. Thanks bud, and yes I really believe what I said is true and I will go further tonight and say Britain will never fall to islamists, ever you *******.

I don’t know about you but all I am sick of lawyers, especially islamist lawyers, as a matter of fact I support deportation of lawyers to the most talibanized areas of the world.( Ok any lawyers here at jihad watch you get a pass. Just waive it when the time comes). Other than them, no mercy. It strikes me as odd that our leaders would lead us into the jaws of a shark all the while telling us we have nothing to worry about. Anyone feel as if we have nothing to be concerned about?

Posted by: tgusa at May 1, 2007 11:10 PM

Why do we still have them in our land? Why didn't our governments throw them out? When will our governments wake up to this threat?

Posted by: Shivakumar at May 1, 2007 11:20 PM

not all british politicians are weak kneed. and the more "normal" guy on the street sees the truth then the socialists will fall.

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at May 1, 2007 11:22 PM

tgusa:

I appreciate the pass and the sentiment.

The left has been slowly eroding the concept that laws should or even can be objective. The very premise of "rule of law" is being subverted at most law schools. This is part of the PC mentality---although I am not sure what came first.

As screwed up as things are, I suspect that our 1st and 2nd Amendments will eventually save the day.

For inspiration, I look to Sir Thomas Moore, the patron saint of lawyers and truly a MAN FOR ALL SEASONS.

Posted by: JSobieski at May 1, 2007 11:51 PM

Sharia(h) law is a very interesting, scary foreign word used by people like Spencer to mean something very specific. However, he makes no distinction as to what that Sharia law means. Does it mean, for example, the Sharia of Malaysia that doesn't apply to non-Muslims, in a society where they have their own separate law systems? What about the Sharia (meaning religious law) of Israel, where secular marriage is forbidden, and therefore all inter-religious marriage as well. What about the Sharia of Egypt/Emirates/Oman/Qatar/Kuwait/Bahrain/Syria which (despite the political oppression in some by their secularist leaders---Sharia forms the legal basis of all of these countries) has created a system in which other religious beliefs are widely tolerated (and in some cases avidly supported, see the Daily Star's story about the new Coptic Cathedral(s) in the Emirates), US support is present amongst not only the government but also in the population, women are not forced to veil and can wear what they choose, alcohol laws are loose.

Maybe it's the Sharia of scary Saudi Arabia, a country in which 59% of all investments, roughly half of all corporation ownerships are held by women.
(Link not available right now, from the SAGIA study released earlier this year)

Where women in the workforce (although presently they do not make up that much and have access problems) are more educated than the average man in the workforce and work in higher, more technically and administratively oriented jobs.
(http://www.arabnews.com/?page=1§ion=0&article=95003&d=15&m=4&y=2007)
--watch out before you bash this site and the study, Spencer sites it all the time.

Just doing some thinking...
(Absolutely no doubt that these countries listed above have their massive faults and are in no way equal societies, [such as the travel bans for women in Saudi Arabia, the crackdowns on homosexuality and the conflict with Baha'i registration in Egypt, etc.] However, these cases and others for the most part are politically connected to the secularist [or corrupt morally/financially/etc.] leadership and their oppression which extends to all religions and social classes. Are these societies (Quite a large population grab here) to be seen as the exceptions or the rules?

---I know that Hugh will come in here writing 20 pages on how Egypt shouldn't get US Aid, but I'll write you another one on why one of the wealthiest, most developed countries in the world(Israel) probably shouldn't be getting it either.

Posted by: An American at May 2, 2007 12:04 AM

From my vantage point across the pond my UK cousins need to lift the yoke of the EU off their shoulders before much good can be done.

Your elections count but you still have these entrenched bureaucrats with their EU Special Commissions on Correct Thought and Rooting Out of All Hateful Speech that We Don't Like.

You're going to need (gasp) guns and the will to use them. You'll need citizen militias (like our Guardian Angels) to guard soft targets like shopping malls and schools.

And be prepared for individuals to lose everything. The first hundred or thousand or ten thousand defenders of the UK will most likely face prison. Authorities, especially authorities that are failing their people, don't take it lightly when they are usurped.

Be very, very careful in regards to allowing your uniformed services conduct of operations within your borders.

And think long and hard about what you want your country to be after the dust settles.

You are, after all, proposing civil war.

Posted by: turn at May 2, 2007 12:08 AM

I wonder how many people in the West have really got it through their heads that when Muslims say sharia law, they MEAN sharia law - and that doesn't just mean peculiar little private religious rituals, it means all the awful stuff we saw the Taliban doing in Afghanistan, and the horror stories that sometimes seep out of Iran and Saudi Arabia, Yemen and Egypt. It means beating of women by their husbands, polygamy, child marriage, the hideous burqa, honour killings. It means beheadings, and no justice for raped women, and hands chopped off, and death to apostates and death to 'blasphemers', and Jews and Christians not allowed to read the Torah or the Gospels out loud in public, and Jews and Christians not allowed to blow the shofar or ring church bells. It means a non-Muslim can't build a house taller than anything built by a Muslim - gee, envy validated by law.

Can't some of us go through the sources - and Bat Ye'or and Spencer - and print up a nice clear list of the vicious and bizarre Rules for Dhimmis in their various formulations, from the so-called Pact of Omar right up to some of the more recent versions - and tack them up in the workplace: 'What Sharia Means for Non-Muslims in Muslim Lands'? Just the ones about how dhimmis have NO right to self-defence, NO right to bear arms, ever, and NO hope of justice in the courts (since their word is automatically assumed to be worthless against the word of a Muslim), or that Islam views all non-Muslim governments as inherently illegitimate and believes that no non-Muslim should EVER have ANY position of authority over a Muslim, should have United States citizens or magna-carta-mindful Brits rising up in fury. It's ten times, 100 times worse than the South African apartheid system. It's disgusting. It sets out to annul everything people have fought for in the West - and in other places - for hundreds of years.

I don't care how Muslims pray or where they do it, or what they like to eat or not eat. But the sharia rules about treatment of women and non-Muslims are pure poison and everyone outside the Empire of Islam needs to know, every last nasty little detail of what a great many Muslims are dreaming of doing to us.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at May 2, 2007 12:10 AM

turn

no, we dont need guns nor private militas in the UK. we just need to use our great democratic voting power, to make sure that our patriots get back in power and then we can all go back to watching soap operas on tv, having a few pints in our local and being british again.

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at May 2, 2007 12:16 AM

I only hope that MI5 and MI6 were photographing and noting these people and that our fearless leaders are going to, perhaps, do something about the whole situation.
Any of those demonstrating should be removed from the ranks of those receiving social benefits and mass deportations should happen.
If sharia and islam has such a wonderful system for helping the less fortunate,please send these people to Iraq, Afghanistan etc,etc,etc to help the less fortunate there with their wonderful system.

Oh, come on the West....wake up

Posted by: marilyn at May 2, 2007 12:30 AM

leon the pig farmer;

Wrong.

Hence it is that such democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths.

The Writer of Your Constitution, James Madison
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/federal/fed10.htm

We’re living in fascinating times. Don’t count on being able to arm up in five years. I've worked hand-in-hand with fancy government people. Don’t think for a second that they are worried about you. They’re not. See Tenent. Regards;

Posted by: pez at May 2, 2007 12:49 AM

Well, what do you think?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/6190080.stm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/11/29/nsharia29.xml

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/5795

Posted by: pr126 at May 2, 2007 1:16 AM

My fave exaample of shari'a as practiced in that paradise known as the kingdom of saud:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2966790.stm

A little more light reading before bed:

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/2097

To paraphrase--"Trade freedom for security and get...neither".

________________________

Marilyn wrote "I only hope that MI5 and MI6 were photographing and noting these people and that our fearless leaders are going to, perhaps, do something about the whole situation.

Yes, yes, I can see it already. Your next prime minister grabbing a bullhorn and marching through the streets of Luton, "All right, you yobs, we have had it with your acting up and must insist that you behave as proper Englishmen from this day hence!"

This is going to go rather farther than relying on your fearless leaders. More like let loose the dogs of war!

Leon-

You're jokin', right?

Right?

Posted by: turn at May 2, 2007 1:20 AM

As if women arn't threatened enough!!!

Posted by: MZ at May 2, 2007 1:26 AM

"Thanks to Ponche," published today? I sent this exact same article in to Jihad Watch about four days ago, and also made a similar, simultaneous post to Little Green Footballs. Should I not send stuff in anymore?

Posted by: barrypopik at May 2, 2007 1:32 AM

He would only be happy when Sharia law was introduced "all over the world".

Mr Islam said: "We definitely want to see Sharia law in place here. We want to see it implemented for everyone. Only then will there be harmony and there will be peace and justice amongst mankind."...

If this doesn't clearly spell out what Robert and Marisol and Hugh are trying so eloquently and well-foundedly to the entire Western World then I don't know what will.

When I took history class in Germany in Middle School we were taught that Hitler proclaimed all of his goals and intentions rather clearly and that the reaction throughout society was one of complacency and benign ridicule at best.

Same reaction outside Germany once Hitler seized power in Germany via strong-arm tactics after his party gained parliamentary representation.

He and hos party never gained a majority mandate at the ballot box.

Once in power as Chancellor Hitler revoked all parliamentary rights and thus became dictator.

Why is it so very very difficult for the vast majority of Western people to recognize the disturbing parallels of the situation we are presently facing?

Last time it was Germany and Italy and to a lesser degree Spain.

This time we have the enemies of Democracy and Freedom working their evil within each and every one of our Western Lands and noone but a few - who are branded racist lunatics by the rest - seem to realize the gravity of our situation.

History does indeed repeat itself and I've hear so many people tell me that's why Germany bears watching because there are so many evil Nazis and racists who'd love nothing more than to establish another Reich.

Like some enlightened Germans have quipped: "It's really easy to fight Nazism and Fascism 60 years after the fact."

But I guess it sure feels good!

Ditto for Britain.. the "evil Colonialist" and America the "evil slave traders".

There must also be an element of arrogance to think that only Europeans or Americans are willing and capable of implementing an evil world-wide Imperialistic rule.

Let us remember that Hitler fed into the latent feeling of humiliation which was prevalent in post-WW1 Germany as a potent and seductive rallying-cry.

This time around we are facing an enemy who lives among us. An enemy who feels humiliated simply for the fact of our superior scientific and technological as well as philosophical prowess.

Even more to the point the enemy feels enraged for the very simple fact that we are not submissive to their value and belief system which is islam.

For all our efforts at reaching out to them and sharing our life and our ideals and our progress with them, they consider these very efforts a fundamental affront.

Why can our elites who have been reared with our commonly shared enlightenment ideals be so blind to the unmistakable fact that these very ideas and ideals of the freedoms and unaliable rights of the individual upon which our societies are based are the very thing which our adversaries see as the essence of what they seek to destroy?

Those among us who still believe that this enemy can somehow be reasoned with and "shown the Light" may still be able to some day realize that the facts are in contradiction of their ideals.

These are the pool from which most of us on this board have emerged from - for a variety of reasons and most of us after lengthy times of soul-searching and wishing-it-wasn't-so.

What motivates the never-to-be-convinced would require an even lengthier post. I could venture into an explanation of their motivations but it would not be helpful for what I am trying to convey.

The people who are conscious of what we are up against have a pretty good idea already.

We must focus on the "undecided" before we can tackle the brainwashed, the malcontents, the defeatists and the bribed among us.

The statements by these jihadists wishing to implement islamic rule world-wide are certainly neither unique nor unheard of before.

The brazen repetition of these absolutist proclamations and demands by our enemies within should give us both warning and hope that an increasing number of freedom-loving people world-wide will cast aside their aversion to the unavoidable conflict we face.

I have lost dear friends because of my realization that what we are up against is no joke. I have lost the respect of family who cast me as 'fascist' for merely raising the question whether our present immigration and foreign policies are beneficial to the peoples of Europe and the USA.

We all are taking those chances to some degree - and we must. Even to save those among us who fail to own up to the danger we presently find ourselves in.

I wish to save all of us. I know what motivates those who want "peace at all costs". It is a wonderful ideal which has long been shattered for me. I sincerely wish it weren't so.

I was witness to the brutal and unprecedented savagery which unfolded in the Munich Olympics of 1974. My country was supposed to rehabilitate itself by putting on an Olympic Games which were meant to contrast those of Berlin in 1936. We have an Avenue in Berlin named after Jesse Owens who stood tall and proud in the face of Adolf Hitler and the entire Third Reich.

What does this mean now that we have compromised with absolute and coldly calculated brutality and terror?

Why are so few Germans outraged by this unprecedented attack on the Sanctity of the Olympic Games?

These terrorists snuffed out the lives of 11 Israeli athletes who came to my country in faith and in good will.

The terrorists knew that these athletes were also there on German soil to demonstrate the Jewish Nation's will and desire to heal past wounds.

Thus they robbed both Israel and Germany of this so desperately needed heling of very very deep wounds.

THEY *KNEW*.

It was in fact part and central to their cynical plan.

How can so many Germans forgive them so easliy for what they had done?

I've had countless arguments about this.

I can't even begin to understand how an attack on defenseless athletes during the Olympic Games where we were trying to make things right could be explained and relativated in any way at all.

The lack of outrage in parts of the German public and in other parts of the Western World makes me fear for the worst for our common future.

The slaughter of the Israeli athletes in Munich is in essence the clash of our Greek/Western ideals with those of the islamic umma.

The statements of these jihadists put forth today are merely a further illustration of what we have no reason not to know already.

My friends, we are running out of excuses. To face the truth is not always a comfort. Failure to acknowledge the facts and ultimately to act on them is in positive violation of the very ideals of our commonly shared Enlightenment.

Posted by: Allahfanculo at May 2, 2007 1:46 AM

If they want an Iranian style sharia law in my country, I will join a militia that will resist Islam just like the French Resistance under Nazi France.
Posted by: The Resistance

I don't know what your country is but I am willing to lay my life down for your freedoms.

It has come to that.

I am German and I've lived in the USA for many many years.

I am ready to do my part when the time comes. Countries play no particular role at this time.

We've gotten beyond that after the horrors of so many internecine wars. Now it is clear that we will have to overcome our historical reluctance to do what we must in our defense.

I am with anyone who wants Freedom from this Satanic sharia.

Posted by: Allahfanculo at May 2, 2007 1:59 AM

When are some of you people going to realize,” we are our fearless leaders”, US, the PEOPLE have been and always will be the final arbiter. That is what makes us different than the enemy, that and a thousands other things. And I am not ready to change because of them. I want to go to the beach and not have some nut case Islamist attacking my view. That will make me extremely angry and if he isn’t careful I would take him for a ride in the pacific, a ride he would not be disembarking from. I don’t care about Blair or bush in the larger scheme of things, it is the non elected or moronic local pols that have me concerned.

barrypopik,
That depends, are you looking for credit, or do you want to save the world, no matter the cost?

Allahfanculo,
I grew up a sportsfan, to this day I never watch the Olympics, they are despicable. Frankly I don’t watch any sports anymore, for one too much PC and for two, if you have people wanting to cut your head off and you are still playing games only you are a headless corpse waiting to happen. Don’t let it get you down, there a millions of us out there and we are all with you, and that’s all its gunna take.

Posted by: tgusa at May 2, 2007 2:02 AM

An American aka islamist apologists, sharia law is something that most people might not know all about, but when you put the "stink test" to it, it stinks. for all those "common folks" not elites that is, you can use your common sense, when you see countries where "sharia" is used in muslim lands, do "You An American" and l use that term losely here, want to move to a "muslim sharia land" or are you one of those "part time muslims" like the recent "abdullah" who posted here some time ago? so you "An American" are a typical muslim hypercite.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at May 2, 2007 2:33 AM

JSobieski,
My conrgats to you and yes I do know we will need our share of smart lawyers with us. I hope you will understand that I never smear an entire group. Heck, I have always been known to when necessary call in the artillery on my own group so I am a non discriminatory person by nature, thankfully. I assume you will take safe but appropriate measures to inform you compatriots as we all do. The lefty lawyers who in my opinion have been bullying you have zero Constitutional ground to stand on, fight back! Shove the Constitution down their throats, who knows maybe you will make history by it. And go down with the likes of Adams or your fave Sir Thomas Moore.

Posted by: tgusa at May 2, 2007 2:37 AM

here is a product a demented sharia loving islamist:

Sheik Ahmad Bahr, acting Speaker of the Palestinian Legislative Council, declared during a Friday sermon at a Sudan mosque that America and Israel will be annihilated and called upon Allah to kill Jews and Americans "to the very Last One." Following are excerpts from the sermon that took place last month, courtesy of MEMRI.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at May 2, 2007 2:55 AM

Kinda sorta OT, but not really. If implemented, it would make Mr.Islam's day

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?Date=20070425&Category=OPINION04&ArtNo=704250310&SectionCat=&Template=printart

Note, it's by a former diplomat. Supposedly he was posted to Lebanon during their civil war. I gotta wonder if our State Department, the Russians or the KSA department of state sent him there. And why in the place of insufficient light did he not stay?

Posted by: Shakey_Premise at May 2, 2007 4:52 AM

Assalamau Laikum all,

Shukria for all the discussion regarding sharia and Islamic law enforcement in general.

Elements of sharia are misunderstood ...and I will say that there much to be learned too...and many here are making an effort while others are simply dismissing it through bias.

To dismiss it is folly ...as yet the following is true...

Muslims want sharia...some don't but most do.
Infedel don't want sharia...

but what about wuslims?

We all need to think long term here....all our childrens future is at stake here and...we need to provide them with a reasonable and safe environment to live in.

In 25-40 years or so the world will be dominated by Islam....that much we know, it's a given...many in the West will have converted...(hopefully to Ahmadi...which is why I keep pushing it) but it is possible that majority of peoples in the world will be wuslims. Now I know this is a bold statement ...but please bear with me...

These peoples will want elements of Sharia as well as the current laws...so don't dismiss it...think long term...think wuslim, think Ahmadi and think mild sharia...it may not be win-win... but it is live-live....

Posted by: Naseem at May 2, 2007 5:12 AM

Wuslims are losers....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at May 2, 2007 5:30 AM

To preserve peace and tranquility in the West, it would be best if Muslims left for Islamic lands. If they do not, then a gruesome civil war will be fought street by street.

Any rational people knowing what is being said about them, if they had any shame or sense of preserving peace for mankind as a whole, would have left by now. But will Muslims leave? I dont think so. Islam is a parasitic culture, and I cant think of any parasite that leaves its host voluntarily.

Posted by: DP111 at May 2, 2007 5:42 AM

Another load of cognitive dissonance posted by Naseem at May 2, 2007 05:12 AM

Shukria?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shukria

Does she/he/it mean 'shukran'?

'...(hopefully to Ahmadi...which is why I keep pushing it)'

Yeah. Like crack cocaine, and with similar effects on the intellect and soul.

This particular psychosis is manufacturing imaginary creatures like these 'wuslims' she/he/it keeps burbling on about. I guess these figments are the product of the tiresome propaganda-lie that 'Islam is the fastest growing religion in the history of all the universe, ever'.

Posted by: Dane at May 2, 2007 5:50 AM

'Islam is the fastest growing religion in the history of all the universe, ever'

Great idea.

Let's fire the buggers into space and make Islam at least the fastest growing religion in our galaxy.

Posted by: Mike_W at May 2, 2007 5:58 AM

Let's fire the buggers into space and make Islam at least the fastest growing religion in our galaxy.

Posted by: Mike_W at May 2, 2007 05:58 AM

Fastest glowing?

Posted by: Dane at May 2, 2007 6:09 AM

Fastest glowing initially, then slowing down to become a new Islamic carbon based asteroid belt - millions of the crunchy, charcoaly buggers.

Totally halal asteroids.

Posted by: Mike_W at May 2, 2007 6:14 AM

Listen to Naseem. An Ahmadi, or Qadiani, not even permitted to describe herself on official Pakistani documents as a Muslim, she yet exhibits classic Muslim attitudes. Sometimes she wavers, and she does put her hope for a change in Islam -- a change that somehow will create societies less hideous than the one she must endure in Pakistan -- in "Wuslims" or all those Westerners whom, she devoutly hopes and believes, will turn to Islam. She cannot bring herself to understand that the reason Western societies (she has some experience of Great Britain) function so much better than Muslim ones is not because of the race of their inhabitants (she is most race-conscious) but because of the absence of Islam. Wherever Islam goes, ruin of what had been before follows. And it will happen in Western Europe, which will not improve but be destroyed, by degrees, if Islam -- or Tariq Ramadan's specious "European Islam" -- were to acquire enough adherents, or if Muslims were simply to overbreed so much more rapidly than the indigenous non-Muslims.

Naseem also nicely displays, along with her ill-concealed desperation about her own situtation and that of Pakistan, a jaunty triumphalism, as in her repeatedly declared certainty that "[i]n 25-40 years or so the world will be dominated by Islam....that much we know, it's a given...many in the West will have converted...(hopefully to Ahmadi...which is why I keep pushing it) but it is possible that majority of peoples in the world will be wuslims. Now I know this is a bold statement ...but please bear with me..."

Study Naseem, her hopes for "Wuslims" to rescue Islam (failing to recognize that Islam itself is the problem, and cannot be rescued, even by white Western converts, as she so obviously hopes). Study her confusions, study her delusions.

They are instructive. They offer a tableau vivant -- truly vivant -- for your inspection and self-instruction.

Posted by: Hugh at May 2, 2007 6:18 AM

"no, we dont need guns......"

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer

....yes, you do.....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at May 2, 2007 6:20 AM

The mufti we love to hate:

http://sheikyermami.com/2007/05/02/hitler-wore-suits-and-kissed-children-hilali-cooks-for-ben-chubby-from-the-sydney-morning-herald/

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at May 2, 2007 6:39 AM

The problem is Islam;
Not Islamist extremism;
Not radical Islamism;
Not a miscomprehension of Islam;
Not a minority of extremists, Islam.

Just plain Islam.
The problem is, Islam.
See, it's simple.
Yell it from the rooftops.

THE PROBLEM IS ISLAM.

I'm so tired of hearing otherwise intelligent people like Melanie Phillips talk about , "islamist extremism" and "radical islamism"...

I just had to vent....sorry.

Posted by: Mike_W at May 2, 2007 7:13 AM

Hugh,

Your comments are right on! Thank-you for not banning Naseem, because at least she is a case study in what the west is up against. Also why we need sites such as this one.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at May 2, 2007 7:39 AM

You will have sharia law if you dont get rid of liberal. multiculturist, PC freaks, in gov that are trying to run everything. Is there no one in a power position in the west who has the power to act and the guts to do so. All we get are Islamic apolgists, appeasers, excuse makers, conspirators. These people are competant enough to get elected and incompetant after that. Where are American politicians with guts??? Abu Hairy Reed is directly responsible for increased American deaths in Iraq. Instead of being arrested, he makes speeches to the senate. We will have sharia, and lots of dead citizens, if Abu Hairy Reed and his cohorts, are not removed from power.
Tolstoy said, that the good cannot seek power nor retain it, to do that men must love power and love of power is the opposite of goodness. Thats Hairy Reed, and his liberal/demo accessories to political power. In order to stop Sharia and expanding Islamic hegemony, liberals must be defeated before Islams march can be stopped. Now the idiots want to impeach Bush, Cheney, which would make Nancy Pelosi president. Now aint that a comforting idea...

Posted by: duh_swami at May 2, 2007 8:37 AM

Assalamau Laikum, all,

Bigcatgirl....I am NOT a case study for you "superior" westerners to ponder your scientific minds upon...I am a real human being and an Ahmadi muslima.

I am a graduate (from a British Uni), I speak English, Urdu, Punjabi, and the odd bit of Hindi, and french (learned in the UK)...which is a lot more than many of the peoples here.

You better wise up....What I am trying to do is to save you ....so that in the future your childerns can still keep black cats and dogs...and that pig farming can still continue (albiet well out of view).

Your superiority "cloak" will be no match for Allah's SWT flat earth policy....this does not mean to say that the earth is flat....simply that muslims/wuslims can live and exercise it's light in any part of the world....Amerike too..

While you sleep...Islam will be upon you...you may or may not care...but your childrens will...and certainly your black cats will.

What I am trying to is help you recognise this...and work with me ...so that when you convert ...(and one day you will) the conditions and the reward you obtain for this are a mixed bag of your former lives mixed with Islam...mixed so well that the transition is nearly painless....i.e. mild sharia.

A secondary huge advantage to this is that there will be no more for example french, english or canadian culture...world wide there will only be wuslim culture...so that you can feel at home anywhere...even in Pak....remember this is no "exercise" with me as the labrat....you are all labrats in with me...so work with me here.

Posted by: Naseem at May 2, 2007 8:39 AM

Naseem, you are a fake - you are neither female, ahmadi, pakistani. You are just a pathetic wind-up!

Posted by: mekkarekka at May 2, 2007 8:48 AM

Mekkarekka. The pathetic wind up is about right, she is trying to 'help' us so that when we all mass convert, your children can keep their black dogs and cats. No thanks Naseem...you keep sharia over there, mama dont allow no sharia around here...

Posted by: duh_swami at May 2, 2007 8:59 AM

"so that you can feel at home anywhere...even in Pak."
Posted by: Naseem

LOL! Yoo could be right but you forgot to mention we'd be needing radiation suits by the time that comes to pass.
I'd feel more at home playing darts, with the board nailed on the side of that monstrosity in Mecca however, sipping a pint of lager and munching on a packet of smokey bacon crisps. Bwahahahah.

Posted by: Jihadtobejoking at May 2, 2007 9:04 AM

And I don't even like darts!

Posted by: Jihadtobejoking at May 2, 2007 9:06 AM

I am a graduate (from a British Uni), I speak English, Urdu, Punjabi, and the odd bit of Hindi, and French (learned in the UK)...which is a lot more than many of the peoples here.
Posted by: Naseem

I’ve done a bit of teaching myself!

20 years ago I used to live and work in Aston, a district of Birmingham UK and the workforce there were a good mix of Asian, West African, English, Irish and Scottish.
Among the Asian group were Pakistani’s, Indians and Kashmerian’s now I have to say that I got on rather well with the Asian men, who up till that point had been victim to serious racial abuse from the English and Irish. I and my other Scottish colleagues were shocked to see and hear what was going on when we arrived and set about correcting things as best we could, treating people with respect and rubbing it in to the abusers that they were out of order. So much so, the Asians would shake hands with us at the beginning and end of every shift as was the custom among them to do so.

The fact that I was ‘approachable’ meant that I was chosen by one of the Pakistani’s to be a source of English instruction and regularly he’d come to me with his magazine’s and point to a word for me to explain.
I never realised just how many words can be used to relate to the act of copulation, it was an education going through the readers letters in that sex mag. They did seem to have the enthusiasm for pornography that one would expect from a 14 year old pimple faced kid. A lot of lip service to Sharia law and not a great deal of fear of Allah’s retribution methinks.
It should go without saying that having spent a great many years working in a factory environment listening to vulgar conversations I was in fact probably the worst interpreter one could have wished for a practicing Muslim and to my great shame I have unwittingly left a legacy of unadulterated filth to be shared amongst the poor unsuspecting Umma in Birmingham. I also have to confess to sharing with my friends some interesting areas that were not covered in the magazines, repeat after me “nekro fill eee aaah”. It’s good to share.

Posted by: Jihadtobejoking at May 2, 2007 10:13 AM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/lincolnshire/6614917.stm

the BNP are accused of racism sent to lincoln county council but islam isn't a race!

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at May 2, 2007 11:04 AM

One thing you need to watch out for is Islamic nekro's. Never show an Islamic nekro porn after midnight, they go berzerk, you will need a strong cage to contain it. We tried it once as an experiment, at the swami temple. Thank God for that cage. I dont recommend that you try this at home, leave it to the professionals...

Posted by: duh_swami at May 2, 2007 11:15 AM

"...it may not be win-win... but it is live-live...."

Posted by: Naseem at May 2, 2007 05:12 AM

I guess that pretty much describes the coming war. Will it be muhammad's injunction to create the dar al islaam or Patrick Henry's "Give me liberty or give me death!"

Try as our leftist elites in the US might, they've been unable to ween too many of us from our troglodytic belief in the virtue of the individual and the supremacy of Free Will. Perhaps it was all the 'cowboys and injuns' we role played as children.

Maybe my grandkids will play 'yanks and 'slammis'.

Naseem wrote: "... I am a real human being and an Ahmadi muslima."

Yes, Naseem, you are a real human being--subject to the delusions and pathologies that those fostered in an irrational world-view are burdenerd with. Part of that world-view is that the future is written; an illusion to be shattered within your lifetime.

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Jihadtobejoking-

If, and it's a big IF mind you, the black meteorite is not rendered unsafe to approach for the half-life of plutonium (24,000 yrs) could we share its display betwen the London Museum and the Smithsonian?

Allahfanculo-

It was the '72 Olympics. Otherwise, very good.

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AND NOW PRESENTING THE PHILOSOPHICAL CORNER.

Of all our flaws, our petty sins, the one that gets the most of us in trouble small and large is our propensity to procrastinate.

Sometimes that earns us (individually) a late fee.

Sometimes (collectively) rivers of blood.

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For those in the US that want to better understand the big picture in Western Europe and the UK please read and digest this from Fjordman.

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/2097

It's cautionary about what our elites want to have happen here as well.

Posted by: turn at May 2, 2007 11:16 AM

Naseems a laugh, with all that claimed education and the ability to speak in several lanuages, she still spells 'people' as 'peoples', and insists on spelling America, as 'Amerika', or 'Amerikie'.
She must have went to school in Pakistan, or worse, in Dearborn Mich...

Posted by: duh_swami at May 2, 2007 11:21 AM

“Sharia(h) law is a very interesting, scary foreign word used by people like Spencer to mean something very specific. However, he makes no distinction as to what that Sharia law means.”

The precise variant of Shariah is irrelevant. The law of the land in Britain should admit no other law. If you are breaking British law you are breaking British law, even if it is permitted by Shariah. And the state must enforce that law – law enforcement is one of the main functions of the state. If you had enclaves of Shariah they would be separate states. Bad luck on the Shariah followers, but they’re quite free to move to a country where Shariah is the law of the land.