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A possible connection to jihad and Tablighi Jamaat. "Fatwah angle emerges in Woolmer murder," from PTI, with thanks to Narain Kataria:
The fatwah angle has emerged in the mysterious murder of Bob Woolmer, with the disclosure that the Pakistan coach was unhappy with the time spent by the players on prayers.Woolmer was upset that several members of the Pakistani team were followers of 'Tabliqhy Jamaat', a Muslim revivalist movement, Pakistan's media manager Pervez Mir indicated on Monday night on BBC's 'Panorama' programme, which focused on the coach's murder in a Jamaican hotel six weeks ago.
According to Mir, Woolmer felt players were focusing more on religion than their game. He went on to claim that Woolmer could have even invited a fatwah had he gone public with his feelings....
Mir said Woolmer had his apprehensions about the players' dwindling focus on cricket.
"He wasn't particularly pleased when players were going out to say their prayers in the middle of the game... and a substitute was coming in and then again... and this continued. He was totally against it," he said.
Mir's observation that Inzamam-ul Haq and his team mates prayed more and played less irked some quarters back home and the media manager had to flee Pakistan after a fatwah was issued against him.
Mir had no doubt that "there would have been a fatwah against him (Woolmer) as well", had the coach made his observations public.
The BBC programme said Inzamam and other key players of the Pakistani squad had become members of the Tabliqhy Jamat and the group listened to prayers and sermons while traveling with the rest of the squad on the team bus.
The programme also quoted the deputy commissioner of Jamaican Police Mark Shields as saying that Woolmer was murdered by someone who came from outside the Caribbean country.
Shields said the fact that Woolmer was strangled has led the police to conclude that his killer came from outside Jamaica where killers tend to use knives or guns.
"The difference between Bob Woolmer's murder and most of these is that Jamaican killers tend to use knives or guns. The fact that Bob Woolmer was strangled has led the police here to conclude that his killer came from outside Jamaica," Shields said.
Posted by Robert at May 2, 2007 12:26 PM
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Dead is dead. The idea that a Jamaican would not strangle a person is reaching for it.
The police better hire someone who a criminal investigative ability. This was someone the coach knew, someone who was in a passionate hatred of him and the someone wanted it up close and personal.
Strangling a person psychologically eludes to a suffocation of their exhaling of thought, voice or presence. In reverse psychology, he suspect is someone the coach had tried to silence or suffocate their expression.
Hence a male and leading suspects would be team members or those associated with an Islamic mosque.
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at May 2, 2007 12:37 PM
Stangling is a form of "strike at the neck.' Motive and circumstantial evidence are accumulating.
Posted by: David England at May 2, 2007 12:46 PM
Was this fatwa cricket?
(Sounds of crickets chirping...)
Posted by: profitsbeard at May 2, 2007 12:57 PM
How can this happen?
Of course - Pakistan are our "allies" - and cricket demonstrates their "obligation to western culture"
They would never kill their cricket coach for not appreciating Islamic methods ... or maybe yes
Posted by: drk at May 2, 2007 12:58 PM
The "Fatwah angle" actually emerged in March, barely days after his death.
at May 2, 2007 1:00 PM
Oh, I always knew from the first that a Paki Islamic male did it. I mean, it's so obvious. The Media tried to downplay that angle but I didn't buy it for a second.
IOW, I'm not surprised to read this article! Not one scintilla.
Posted by: darcy at May 2, 2007 1:04 PM
The Pakistan cricket team's increasing devoutness has been widely noted - indeed, the very public conversion of Yousuf Youhana two years ago was reported in some detail.
Youhana (or Mohammad Yousuf as he is now known) went on record with some fairly, shall we say, controversial remarks about Islam conquering the world; the usual supremacist nonsense.
Youhana was a Christian and there were, prior to his conversion, rumours that he was ostracized by his team-mates because he belonged to the incorrect religious group. His conversion and subsequent zeal for his new belief-system - including a rather ostentatious Islamic beard - suggest that he is pretty immersed in this Slave of Allah hocus-pocus,
Posted by: A Nonny Nonny at May 2, 2007 1:09 PM
It's cricket, and a world cup full of upsets involving subcontinent.
That he was going to publicize something about match fixing is a far more likely motive
Posted by: sam at May 2, 2007 1:16 PM
Maybe he was planning to disclose to the fans of the losing Cricket team that:
Practicing Cricket will enable you to become winners, praying does not....
or that you will never beat an Indian Cricket team without practicing...you definitely will not beat them if you fail to go out onto the field to play the game....
...once again the Pakistanians show the world they can be world class losers...
Posted by: exsgtbrown at May 2, 2007 1:29 PM
Maybe now they can get a fuzzy-wuzzy Muhammadan to coach them, and ...
if he's good muhammadan...
i.e. a slave to alla-cadabra...
they won't lose to infidels anymore.
Bets?
Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at May 2, 2007 1:31 PM
So why do they even bother playing any sports at all? They want to pray all the time then go ahead. Just leave US the hell alone with it.
Don't disrupt our sports and don't expect any money for food if you chose to pray to your Satan rather than work for a living.
Posted by: Allahfanculo at May 2, 2007 1:59 PM
And wasn't it only a couple of years ago that the only Christian player in the Pakistan side, Yousuf Youhanna, was 'persuaded' to convert to Islam and become Mohammed Yousuf. And I well remember him making the sign of the cross whenever he reached 50, 100 etc.
Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at May 2, 2007 2:08 PM
Granny
The fatwa angle actually involved the team manager - Parvez Mir, who blamed praying over playing for Pakistan's disaster in the World cup, where they not only lost to a West Indies team, but got knocked out by Ireland. This controversy has been on for a while now, with the PCB chairman Nasim Ashraf asking players to separate playing and praying, Inzamam denying that any players were pressured into doing the latter. As one who's always wished the Paki cricket team ill, I'm happy with the course they're taking - just hope Danish Kaneria (the sole remaining Hindu Infidel in the team) bails out. Younis Khan, the former vice captain, was not a member of this cabal, and probably knew that the approach isn't going to change, and neither are Pakistan's fortunes, which is probably why he passed up the captaincy offer. Shoaib Malik, the new captain, however is a member, so he can probably continue in that vein.
It's unfortunate that Woolmer was caught in this - I thought he was insane the moment he took the Paki job. But hopefully, they'll get someone fully Islamic to take it. Javed Miandad and Intiqhab Alam were pissed off at the coach's job being advertized on the PCB website, and declined to take it. Maybe someone from Tablighi Jamaat can oblige.
Hope this takes over the new Bangladesh team as well. Somehow, I'm feeling really sadistic, and incidentally, was thrilled that Bangladesh got trounced by Ireland. Too bad Sri Lanka battered Ireland so badly that they ended up 8th in the super-8, instead of Bangladesh.
Posted by: Infidel Pride at May 2, 2007 2:08 PM
Rosie on the (new) View:
"They can't prove anything ... and even if they could, this is no worse than those deranged Christians killing the S. American goalie for allowing a goal in the world cup?"
Posted by: blues4allah at May 2, 2007 2:09 PM
And how long will it be before the only Hindu player in the Pakistan side gets 'persuaded' to convert to islam.
Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at May 2, 2007 2:10 PM
I found this ESPN story fascinating. The author talks to a source who claims that AQ has entered the sports gambling underworld to make up losses after the US DOT closed down their "charities".
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/eticket/story?page=woolmer
I talk to a Guy. A Guy who knows stuff. A Guy in the information acquisition business. I can't tell you more. Sorry. We meet in the lobby of the Pegasus, at night. I suggest we get a drink. He walks me past the hotel gym, past the poolside bar, past the chatty barkeeps and the tabloid writers downing Red Stripes. We sit at the far end of the pool, on white plastic chairs, in near darkness.
This is what he tells me:
He says Jamaica's ruling political party is gunning for an unprecedented fifth consecutive term, that the current prime minister is widely liked but considered a bit dumb, the current government is counting on the World Cup to help it win the upcoming elections, a sound strategy in a sports-mad nation where high school track meets are shown on prime-time television.
Jewel Samad/AFP/Getty Images
Pakistani players, who gave statements, fingerprints and DNA samples to Jamaican police, observe a moment of silence during an on-field memorial service for Bob Woolmer three days after his death.
He says Woolmer's murder has shot this all to hell, though, and that the failure to catch his killer, or killers, has added to a growing, widespread discontent with the tournament and the people in charge.
He says Woolmer was definitely murdered. Of this, he has no doubt.
He says he saw a picture of Woolmer's body, there was a mark on Woolmer's neck, on the right side, just below the jaw line, that suggests physical trauma.
He says he's spoken to someone in international intelligence, someone well-placed, and that ever since the United States cut off much of al-Qaida's funding after the Sept. 11 attacks, the terrorist group has used illegal sports gambling in India and Pakistan as a major source of revenue.
He says al-Qaida has ties to Dawood Ibrahim, the Al Capone of India, a man accused of masterminding a 1993 bombing that killed 257 people in Mumbai, a man with ties to the bookmaker allegedly linked to Samuels, a man rumored to have lost millions on the Ireland-Pakistan match.
He says al-Qaida also has ties to Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence agency, the former — and some say current — patron of Afghanistan's Taliban.
He says the ISI is intertwined in both the Pakistani government and Pakistani cricket, and that one of the members of the Pakistani cricket team's traveling party is actually an ISI operative.
He says that al-Qaida may have put a lot of money on the Pakistani team, and may have been disappointed in its poor performance. Murderously so.
He says that Woolmer may have found himself between a rock and a hard place, because despite what his friends and family have said, the coach knew about larger-scale corruption and was going to blow the whistle.
He says Woolmer found out that three international umpires were being paid off, and that the ISI had set up offshore banking accounts for them.
He says the bank accounts were financed with Chinese money. I ask why. He doesn't elaborate.
He says he believes the ISI is involved in Woolmer's murder. He says someone in the Pakistan team party knows what happened, and during Pakistan's final World Cup game — against Zimbabwe, after Woolmer's death — a member of the team party was spotted with his feet up, drinking champagne, and the champagne-sipper in question is probably ISI. He says all of the above is why Pakistan dispatched two diplomats to Jamaica.
While mouthing the word "diplomats," he makes air quotes with his hands.
He says the Jamaican police have no suspects and no motive, and yet a coroner's inquest has been scheduled. He says this is a way to drag things out.
He says he does not believe the Jamaican police will solve the case.
He says after Woolmer, the real victim in the case is Jamaica, because this is the World Cup, not a shooting in downtown Kingston, and that the country led newscasts around the planet for two days.
He says the best thing for Jamaicans is for Woolmer's body to leave the country
Posted by: Abu Lahab at May 2, 2007 2:26 PM
Have you all missed the fact that drugs were found in his body that made him incapable of defending himself against being strangled. This was premeditated murder and what loon blames everybody else and not themselves if they lose why the moon loons. Just wait for the coroner inquest there are going to be some stones unturned and lots of nasty creatures are going to crawl out from underneath. This is going to run and run. No amount of violent protestations of innocence from the Paki team is going to stop the world pointing an accusing finger in there direction.
Posted by: Holger Dansker at May 2, 2007 2:27 PM
"Rosie" would not recognize a cricket bat if one hit her in the arse.
Posted by: MP at May 2, 2007 2:48 PM
i fear for the life of Danish Kaneria - the only infidel left in Pakistan's cricket team. boy it must be hell living, eating, breathing, drinking, walking and playing sports in an islamic country.
i think mo wanted it this way.
at May 2, 2007 3:17 PM
""Rosie" would not recognize a cricket bat if one hit her in the arse."
Posted by: MP
...well it certainly looks like one hit her square on the face...
at May 2, 2007 4:17 PM
An article that I've read is off topic but about Pakistan. Remember about six years back Pakies advertised Nuclear weapons know-how in the newspapers and nobody cared (I mean our government). A couple of years later they were finding Pakies selling stuff to every country that we considered first rate rogue (IRAN/LYBIA/N_KOREA/IRAQ/SAUDI-ARAB/TURKIE/EGYPT/et el Muslami).
Today the Pakies are advertising in their papers something equally sinister 'Pakistan downplays (lost) radioactive (material) ad'. These people who are running this so called 'country' are dangerously sick. They have probably lost or handed over radioactive material to terrorists. Once again our government is saying nothing about it. The lost R-material from Pakiland could end-up on our shores. They are already implicating India’s involvment in a very subtle manner. Here is the rest of the story –
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6616225.stm
Pakistan downplays radioactive ad
Pakistan's nuclear authority has said there is no cause for concern after it published press adverts for information on "lost" radioactive material.
The adverts urged members of the public to inform officials if they found any "lost or stolen" radioactive material.
They were published in major Urdu-language newspapers in Pakistan.
A spokesman for the nuclear authority said that there was a "very remote chance" that nuclear materials imported 40-50 years ago were unaccounted for.
International concern over the safety of Pakistan's nuclear programme was expressed in 2004, when the country's top nuclear scientist, AQ Khan, confessed to leaking secrets to Iran, North Korea and Libya.
Dr Khan was subsequently placed under virtual house arrest, and is now suffering from pancreatic cancer.
'Cradle to the grave'
Officials on Wednesday were keen to reassure the outside world that the latest incident in no way has the makings of another nuclear scandal, and that no radioactive material had been stolen, lost or gone missing.
But officials say they need to heighten public awareness of nuclear issues to ensure that decades-old nuclear material is fully accounted for.
"This could have been before the creation of Pakistan, and may relate to nuclear material that could not be taken under our charge," Zaheer Ayub Baig, information services director of Pakistan's Nuclear Regulatory Authority, said in a letter to the BBC.
Mr Baig said that the adverts were merely a public awareness campaign to make people aware of the dangers of radiation from material that might have been used in hospitals and industrial plants.
He said the advertising campaign was being expanded.
"There is nothing to worry about," Mr Baig said.
"We have a record of all the radioactive sources imported in to the country, those that are being used and also those that have been disposed of.
"This is according to a cradle to the grave concept where records are kept of any radioactive source entering into the country until its final disposal."
He said similar adverts would soon appear in Pakistan's English-language press.
Story from BBC NEWS:
at May 2, 2007 5:02 PM
a Nonny Nonny: "Slave of Allah hocus-pocus"
I like that. Think I'll put that in my file. Thanks!
Posted by: Stand fast in the liberty at May 2, 2007 5:15 PM
No one should be, and few in truth are, surprised by this possibility. It always seemed, by the manner of the killing, to be not the work of disgruntled gamblers (who might have been mad at the outcome which Woolmer could not control), but of those with other, bigger fish to fry.
Posted by: Hugh at May 2, 2007 5:30 PM
Wow, this is so pathetic. I've heard in other sources, (in articles cited for example, by thereligionofpeace.com), that the Paki cricket team, often known for its unusually high level of talent, was one fo the lowest ranking ones this year due to their players so obsessed with religion.
Is there anyone in Pakiworld, besides maybe the minorities like the Hindus, CHirstians, Baloch, Sindhi and Kashmiris, who are just emabarassed by garbage like this? I mean, it's one thing if they're perfmormance was linked to too much partying and drinking and ego clashes within teammates and women, you know, stuff that plagues tons of other sports teams, but to be wasting as much time as they did on *religion* aka Jihad, is just humilating. If no one sans the religous and cultural minorities are embarassed by this, honestly that all by itself should be sufficient proof that Pakis are not anything remotely resembing an *ally*.
Posted by: maxwell46&2 at May 2, 2007 6:08 PM
"Strangling a person psychologically eludes to a suffocation of their exhaling of thought, voice or presence. In reverse psychology, he suspect is someone the coach had tried to silence or suffocate their expression."
Could you try to explain this in English, please?
Posted by: JFGR at May 2, 2007 6:32 PM
Rosie on the (new) View:
"They can't prove anything ... and even if they could, this is no worse than those deranged Christians killing the S. American goalie for allowing a goal in the world cup?"
Posted by: blues4allah
FAT Rosie is definitely demented. Let her live ONE DAY in Pakiland. They'll have her FAT UGLY ass in a garbage bag.. I mean burka.. in a New York minute!
And not because she is tempting either. Rather because she is offensive on even the horniest of moslem eyes.
What she says is a result of her conflictedness. If I looked like Rosie.. who knows.. maybe I'd be conflicted as well.
And now on to the facts re. the "goalie" case. A Columbian defender *accidentally* pushed the ball past his goalie for an own goal vs. the USA in the World Cup 1994.
Everyone hates to lose to the USA even more than to anyone else because the country is known for its deep disrespect of the World Sport Football.
The defender who created this own goal happened to go to the wrong bar a few months after the World Cup. The bar is located in Cali and certain Cartell members who had lost MILLIONS in bets due to the loss of this game happened to be there when Mr. Own Goal wandered in.
An argument ensued and the footballer was summarily shot.
What this has to do with Chistians is beyond me.
But then, that's Rosie.
Columbians are Christian by Culture and that doesn't mean that the cartell Mafias go to Church every Sunday.
Rosie should be informed that murder is in DIRECT violation of the TEN COMMANDMENTS. Something that is completely missing in the KKKoran. In fact, we all know that the opposite is true. Murder of so-called "infidels" is not only sanctioned and condoned, but actively encouraged.
Facts are such stupid things, Rosie.
Normally I'd say who cares what this stupid and hateful fat ugly cow has to say but the fact that she enjoys such a large [LOL] POSTERIOR.. err.. I mean public podium makes her a menace at this time.
Someone ought to find out if she is a Soros protegé.
Posted by: Allahfanculo at May 2, 2007 7:04 PM
...well it certainly looks like one hit her square on the face...
Posted by: exsgtbrown
Are you sure you're not confusing her ass with her face?
I will concede it's easy to confuse the two.
Posted by: Allahfanculo at May 2, 2007 7:06 PM
I'm glad you posted about this; my dad was there for two weeks (at the World Cup) and I rashly thought, "islasmists". My dad and the other sponsors thought it was because Woolmer was writing a book, about to expose the throwing of games - maybe the Islamist angle was explored in his umpublished manuscipt...
at May 2, 2007 9:50 PM
I don't care whether Rosie is fat or not (and there are certainly people who are fatter!), what I care about is her remarks defending Muslims and her remarks about the WTC bombings being a US conspiracy.
What I care about is that she's a traitor.
Posted by: darcy at May 3, 2007 8:58 AM
Islam is lurking in the Caribbean and there needs to be much more study of this issue.
An Islamic terror bombing occurred in Trinidad about two years ago.
The bin Laden recently family owned a bank in the Bahamas (I don't know if they still do).
The BCCI in the Cayman Islands was founded by Islamic extortionists from Pakistan and was for years the global headquarters for international money laundering, racketeering, and provided safe harbor for terrorist organizations' capital.
In 2000, hundreds of people were found murdered in a Bahamanian cathedral which the Bahamanian government quickly hushed up.
Venezuela which has a Hizbollah presence on its national territory has used arid Margarita Island to hide Islamic terrorists on. Venezuala may now be an Islamic majority state and has an extensive Caribbean coast.
So if a jihad murder took place on Jamaica, it is not the shocker it once may have been.
But the western democracies still need to take a closer look at what is happening in the Caribbean with regards to Islam. I particularly did not like the sound of that massacre in the Bahamas cathedral (which sounds suspiciously like an al-Qaeda attack, especially given that it happened in the year 2000 when many al-Qaeda operatives were lurking in nearby southern Florida).
Posted by: pythagoras at May 3, 2007 2:03 PM
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