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May 7, 2007

Spengler: "It is all so pointless and sophomoric; anyone can quote the Koran, or for that matter the Bible, to show whatever one wants"

Spengler weighs in on the Armstrong/Spencer kerfuffle in "Are the Arabs already extinct?" in Asia Times (thanks to James), and gets me all wrong:

As a poet, Adonis does not describe the spiritual state of the Arabs, but rather evokes it existentially. The available literature on Islam consists mainly of a useless exchange of Koranic citations that show, depending on whether one is Karen Armstrong or Robert Spencer, that Islam is loving or hateful, tolerant or bigoted, peaceful or warlike, or whatever one cares to show. It is all so pointless and sophomoric; anyone can quote the Koran, or for that matter the Bible, to show whatever one wants. With Adonis one gains access to the inside of the Arab experience of modernity. It is a terrible and frightening one, not recommended for the faint-hearted, but indispensable to anyone who wishes to get beyond the pointless sloganeering of the pundits.

As anyone knows who has ever actually read what I write, rather than second-hand characterizations of what I write, I do not use Qur'anic citations to show that Islam is hateful, bigoted, or warlike. In reality, I report on how jihadists use Qur'anic citations to justify hateful, bigoted, and warlike actions. And I show that in doing so, they can and do invoke Hadith and Islamic jurisprudence to support their points also.

I have never said, and will never say, that any view of Islam is correct or incorrect. That is because there is no central authority in Islam that can decide such matters. I do say, and have said many times, that jihadists recruit by presenting their version of Islam as pure, true, and correct Islam, and that this view is buttressed by passages from the Qur'an and Sunnah as they have been understood by mainstream Islamic commentators, and by all the schools of Islamic jurisprudence, which all teach warfare against unbelievers -- as well as by the fact that peaceful Muslims have never formulated any effective theological/juridical response to any of this. Thus the only possible avenue for Islamic reform, against which are prohibitive odds, would be a rejection of Qur'anic literalism, and literalism in regard to Muhammad's words and example.

But to reduce all this to Qur'an citation wars and to assert that "anyone can quote the Koran, or for that matter the Bible, to show whatever one wants" is, to borrow a phrase, pointless and sophomoric. There are no armed groups of Jews and Christians committing violence today and justifying that violence by reference to their Scriptures. And, as I show in my upcoming book Religion of Peace? Why Christianity Is and Islam Isn't, a close examination of the Jewish and Christian Scriptures and how they have been interpreted, as compared to the Qur'an and how Muslims have interpreted it, shows that the texts are by no means equal in their capacity to incite to violence.

Spengler has been better in the past.

Posted by Robert at May 7, 2007 10:25 AM
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"There are no armed groups of Jews and Christians committing violence today and justifying that violence by reference to their Scriptures."

Hey Robert,

You might want to check out the Jewish orthodox settlers in the West Bank and the Lord's Resistance Army in Uganda.

Posted by: sublimer [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 10:42 AM

The magic of turnspeak. the proof is in the actions! . when Christians , Jews , Buddhists start blowing up tube stations and beheading people for their god's glory , and speak of taking over the world and destroying all other Religions and creeds then people can make weak , baseless comparisons like that. This constant lumping all faiths as just as Violent as Islam will be remembered as the greatest appeasement to an aggressor in the history of mankind. we are slitting our own throats .

Posted by: MoBlows [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 10:47 AM

LOL! "sublimer" the Muslim (who ain't "sublime," btw) thinks he just made a valid comparison! Again, please allow me to: LOL!

Posted by: darcy [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 10:53 AM

MoBlows,

I just pointed out a factual error. If Spencer said , "There are practically no armed groups...." I would have shut up. I am just making sure we do not indulge in absolutist statements that tend to a simple manichaeism which might make us feel good but which is inherently false.

Posted by: sublimer [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 10:54 AM

LOL! "sublimer" the Muslim (who ain't "sublime," btw)

LOL ! LOL! You are so perceptive. LMAO. You are so sweet.

Posted by: sublimer [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 10:55 AM

Thank You, Mr. Muslim. But your religion - ISN'T "sweet." It's the most depraved thing going in the World these days.

Posted by: darcy [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 11:00 AM

sublimer, look at it in context. if you compare the numbers in Violence and compare the retoric you will clearly see that there is NO comparison of Islamic violence compared to any other faction. What the Palestinians are teaching their children alone makes Islam one of the greatest abusers in history. there have been over 4000 Terror attacks since 911. you'de be hard pressed to find equal numbers from any group in the last 200 years aside from Nazi Germany. an apt comparison i'd say.

Posted by: MoBlows [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 11:01 AM

"a close examination of the Jewish and Christian Scriptures and how they have been interpreted"

Did you include in your book the interpretations of Pope Innocent III or Juan Gines de Sepulveda ? Or did you do some more selective quoting ?

Posted by: sublimer [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 11:03 AM

4000 Terror attacks ? You surely are including what's going on in Iraq... which happens to be in a civil war. can you remind me again why Iraq is in a civil war ?

Posted by: sublimer [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 11:05 AM

Darcy. Islam is not sweet. You are sweet.

Posted by: sublimer [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 11:05 AM

Spengler: "It is all so pointless and sophomoric; anyone can quote the Koran, or for that matter the Bible, to show whatever one wants"


Yeah, you can do that with a science book too; or a telephone book. Everythings relative man; no absolute truths or anything.


I have never said, and will never say, that any view of Islam is correct or incorrect. That is because there is no central authority in Islam that can decide such matters. I do say, and have said many times, that jihadists recruit by presenting their version of Islam as pure, true, and correct Islam, and that this view is buttressed by passages from the Qur'an and Sunnah as they have been understood by mainstream Islamic commentators...


You both say these things as earnestly as if you had a sword to your next to your respective throats.

Perhaps, not a bad idea under contemporary circumstances.

Like they said in the 50's "Duck and Cover!"

Posted by: witness [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 11:08 AM

sublimer-

No violence (except whipping moneychangers out of the Temple, none of whom died) can be justified by what Jesus said, as his example of pacifism and non-resistence demonstrated. ("Turn the other cheek" etc.) Any group claiming to be "Christian" which then wars in the name of "Christianity" is hypocritical and fraudulent. So, as Mr. Spencer noted, their acts are not based on the claims of their religious texts.

The "orthodox Jews" in the West Bank are doing what the Arab Muslims in the area are doing: insisting that their holy dogma gives them the lease to the land.

I think, historically, they have the earlier claim to the region, so the idea of the "grandfather" clause of law favors them.

And I don't think that they would we fighting if the Arab nations around the newly-re-established state of Israel (1948) had NOT declared war on the Jews and immediately invaded Israel.

The Jews were willing to live with an unjust (to them) two-state U.N. solution. The Arabs and nascent "Palestinians" were not.

The Jews, orthodox and otherwise, defended themselves. And won.

Are defensive wars not allowed?

And are they the same as the aggressive, imperialistic jihad?

Posted by: profitsbeard [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 11:10 AM

Concerning your comparison of Islam with Nazi Germany, "MoBlows," you know how the Muslims are always saying thus and such is "Un-Islamic"?

Well, in May, 1933, in Berlin, the Nazi's burned over 20,000 books because they were "Un-German."

And now it's May, 2007, 74 years later, and the Nazi's, now called "Muslims," are again showing their evil faces and attempting to rule the world through murder and genocide.

Ain't gonna happen, "sublimer." So, back to the filthy alleys of Lahore with you.

Posted by: darcy [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 11:10 AM

can you remind me again why Iraq is in a civil war ?--sublimer

Because the Sunni and the Shia decided they rather kill each other over something that happened over 1300 years ago, rather than sharing power in Iraq and peacefully coexisting. But I know, blaming America is so much easier than admitting that.

Posted by: staff_of_magius [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 11:12 AM

No, "sublimer," I am not "sweet" concerning Islam/Muslims. You can expect me to fight for Western civilization as resolvedly as possible, whatever that may entail.

Posted by: darcy [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 11:14 AM

4000 Terror attacks ? You surely are including what's going on in Iraq... which happens to be in a civil war. can you remind me again why Iraq is in a civil war ?

Posted by: sublimer

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Iraq is in a Civil war because of a centuries old fight between Sunni and Shiite , that's why. It quite easy to see from History that if there is one thing Muslims love more than killing infidels is killing other factions of " Muslims "
The Civil war in Iraq has little to do with the US or the West, this sort of Civil unrest is built right into the Religion, a Religion i might remind you that is considered " Perfect" and unchangable unlike other Religions that Evolve with the ideals of mankind. Islam is in the same place it started , stuck in a tribal , murdering mentality. Islam is the snake that eats it's own tail. when there is no Outsiders to kill and devour, it turns on itself.

Posted by: MoBlows [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 11:16 AM

"Staff of magius" - and that "something that happened over 1300 years ago" is who rightfully succeeded Muhammed - the Caliphs (Sunni)or Ali, Mo's nephew (Shi'a)?

Posted by: darcy [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 11:18 AM

Actions speak louder than words. Being PC about it is being a denier of truth, an avoider, an appeaser and a helpmate to the fanatical murderers. Mr. Spencer speaks truth to (a hateful, evil) power.

Good on him. Everyone should use him as a role model in these conversations rather than dance around the issues.

Posted by: Socialpath [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 11:18 AM

sublimer-

No violence (except whipping moneychangers out of the Temple, none of whom died) can be justified by what Jesus said, as his example of pacifism and non-resistence demonstrated. ("Turn the other cheek" etc.)

-- I also highly admire Jesus' pacifism. If everybody abided by his phlosophy, there would be no wars.

Any group claiming to be "Christian" which then wars in the name of "Christianity" is hypocritical and fraudulent.

-- I also agree with you. They are hypocritical and fraudulent.

So, as Mr. Spencer noted, their acts are not based on the claims of their religious texts.

-- This is where I disagree. They are based on religious texts because they too indulged in selective quoting. Look up Sepulveda. How do you explain the fact that slavery was justified religiously too ?

The "orthodox Jews" in the West Bank are doing what the Arab Muslims in the area are doing: insisting that their holy dogma gives them the lease to the land.

-- I agree. They're both pretty dogmatic in their beliefs.

I think, historically, they have the earlier claim to the region, so the idea of the "grandfather" clause of law favors them.

-- You mean "religiously". while there were some Jews who lived in Palestine, the Ashkenazi Jews who went to Palestine since the Sykes-Balfour declaration were either claimed a Zionist/Socialist or a religious justification to reclaim the land. If the rule of the grandfather applied here, Israel should be palestinian because they were living there for more than 2000 years.

And I don't think that they would we fighting if the Arab nations around the newly-re-established state of Israel (1948) had NOT declared war on the Jews and immediately invaded Israel.

-- If you were invaded, would you declare war ?

The Jews were willing to live with an unjust (to them) two-state U.N. solution. The Arabs and nascent "Palestinians" were not.

-- If the French invaded the U.S. (citing the Louisiana purchase as unfair and citing mythological reasons for reoccupation) and the United nations decided to give 60 % of the U.S. to France, would that be fair or unfair ?

The Jews, orthodox and otherwise, defended themselves. And won.

-- They did indeed win. The law of the jungle prevails.

Are defensive wars not allowed?

-- Of course they are. That's why the Palestinians are fighting.

And are they the same as the aggressive, imperialistic jihad?

-- Imperialist Jihad is aggressive and unjust. Defending your homeland is something else. You are confusing the two.

Posted by: sublimer [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 11:23 AM

“I do not use Qur'anic citations to show that Islam is hateful, bigoted, or warlike. In reality, I report on how jihadists use Qur'anic citations to justify hateful, bigoted, and warlike actions.”

This position is understandable from someone in the public arena but I think for the rest of us we have to believe that the Koran can be judged on what it fairly clearly says and since it says the awful things, repeated ad nauseam, that it does and which are used to justify today & historically, murder, conquest & terror, then it is condemnable outright.

Would it have made sense in 1932 to say “I do not use citations from Hitler’s Mein Kampf to show that Nazism is hateful, bigoted, or warlike. In reality, I report on how the Nazis use its citations to justify hateful, bigoted, and warlike actions. “ ?

True, there is no central authority in Islam today to confirm exactly how to read the Koran, but when its intolerant, infidel-hatemongering and jihadic texts are clear enough and repeated enough, we do not need a central authority’s interpretation to say that no valid religion can come out of it.

Posted by: FM [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 11:23 AM

MoBlow and staff of magius,

Can you give me evidence that the civil war between shiites and sunnis have been going on unabated for 1300 years ? This is one of the biggest lies purported by Spencer.

Posted by: sublimer [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 11:26 AM

Robert,

Can you reply to FM's challenge to your quote ? I cannot do this all by myself.

Posted by: sublimer [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 11:28 AM

Darcy--yep. I really don't see why somebody as seemingly knowledgeable as Sublime tries to appear, couldn't figure that one out himself.

Posted by: staff_of_magius [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 11:28 AM

MoBlow and staff of magius,

Can you give me evidence that the civil war between shiites and sunnis have been going on unabated for 1300 years ? This is one of the biggest lies purported by Spencer.

Posted by: sublimer

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Never said " unbated "i said centuries old, which it is. what's your point? cause mine is that Muslims can't even be at peace amongst themselves let alone the rest of the world, and that you simply cannot dispute. Just look at your "Civil War " in Iraq, that is a Sunni/Shiite rift that has next to nothing to do with anything except the fact that Islam cannot achieve live in peace , even with itself.

Posted by: MoBlows [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 11:34 AM

The one important fact that Spengler ignores here is that, for scriptural religions, interpretations are as much as part of the canon as the source texts themselves. This is very marked in Orthodox Judaism, where the sanctioned interpretations ("Oral Torah"--the Mishnah) are regarded as having equal status (divine words) to the source written text ("Written Torah"--the Pentateuch) that they interpret. It is that which separates Judaism from other religions that hold to the Written Torah (Christianity and Samaritanism are two examples). But all institutionalized scriptural religions hold the tenet that Divine Writ cannot be divorced from its sanctioned interpretations.

Re the Iraq Civil War: peace in the Islamic world invariably means there's a strongman keeping the lid down on the warring factions. Saddam removed, centuries-old Sunni/Shia war in Iraq renewed. The Muslims have proved incapable of stepping outside the dictatorship/anarchy dichotomy.

Posted by: ZionistYoungster [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 11:36 AM

The Palestinians are aggressively pursuing an offensive assault, not a defensive struggle.

Posted by: exsgtbrown [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 11:37 AM

Here is the only thing I found on Sunni-Shia relations on the net :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_Shi'a-Sunni_relations

read it and see if it fits with your clame that civil war has been going on unabated for 1300 years or if the present civil war has not been conflagrated by the american invasion and subsequent occupation. i am not saying it it is the U.S.'s fault. I am just saying that whatever pre-existing tensions existed have been exacerbated by the power vacuum left when the Neo-cons decided to invade Iraq with no exit strategy and with no peace planning in mind .

Posted by: sublimer [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 11:38 AM

exsgtbrown,

Hug a pony for me.

Posted by: sublimer [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 11:39 AM

MoBlow,

forget the unabated. Give me proof that the civil war is centuries long. If the Japanese and the Russians started fighting today, would we say that the war has been lasting for 100 years just because they had fought once in the 20th century ?

Posted by: sublimer [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 11:43 AM

Sublimer try this :

http://hnn.us/articles/934.html

and this for a start:

http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0117/p25s01-wome.html

" The split between the two main branches of Islam is NEARLY 1400 YEARS OLD, AND STARTED WITH A FIGHT OVER WHO SHOULD LEAD THE FAITHFUL after the prophet Muhammad's death in 632. One side believed that direct descendants of the prophet should take up the mantle of the caliph – the leader of the world's faithful. They were known as the Shiat-Ali, or "partisans of Ali," after the prophet's cousin and son-in-law Ali, whom they favored to become caliph. In time, they came simply to be known as Shiites.

The other side, the Sunnis, thought that any worthy man could lead the faithful, regardless of lineage, and favored Abu Bakr, an early convert to Islam who had married into Muhammad's family. "Sunni" is derived from the Arab word for "followers" and is shorthand for "followers of the prophet."

The Shiites were the eventual losers in a violent struggle for mastery that lasted decades, a fact now reflected in their minority status within global Islam.

But while the civil war now raging between Shiite and Sunni in Iraq is sometimes cast as an extension of this age-old religious struggle, today's conflict is about something slightly different. "

A Muslim should know this.


Posted by: MoBlows [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 11:53 AM

sublimer,

"You might want to check out the Jewish orthodox settlers in the West Bank and the Lord's Resistance Army in Uganda."

The last time I have looked, these must be citizen forces against terror groups.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 11:54 AM

of course i can't PROVE it^^^ , it's just historical fact afterall, unlike claiming that Islam is a " Religion of peace" . LOL!!

Posted by: MoBlows [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 11:54 AM

sublimer,

Since the news has not done any news reports about the Orthodox Jewish self-defense groups or Christian citzen defense group in Uganda then it means they were started as defensive citizen groups.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 11:58 AM

This is so good of you and I agree. They must if they can come forward and support their beliefs and true interpretation of how they got there. Our Bible people take out of text to try and give them excuse why they do what they do. "Why it says right here!" Uhh read further! It is great how you do this comparison. The meanings though are so parable but here I go apostate or sharia woman. Their meaning stops at Mo the time of Abraham! Living in The 1st Humanity=DEATH!
Abraham was to represent man's end of bondage of death. We now have a new redemption in Jesus.
2nd Humanity=LIFE!
They are working out of the 1st Humanity now!
All these devided religions in United States are all done through someone's interpretation. When we should really be listening to scholars. It is easy then to see what has been added and taken away.

Posted by: MZ [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 11:58 AM

MoBlows,

Thanks for your answer. I already knew about the split and the tensions though. But I am asking about the civil war. has it been centuries long ?????

Posted by: sublimer [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 11:58 AM

"220 Qassam missiles fired from Gaza in the six months of the partial ceasefire, 82 bomb-traps for Israeli border patrols and 66 shooting attacks"

....So much for Muslims honoring a ceasefire....

Posted by: exsgtbrown [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 11:59 AM

subslimer !

Hug an angry polar bear for everyone.
Idiot.

Posted by: Freedom [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 12:00 PM

Bigcatgirl,

"Since the news..." you might as well say since allh or since God said this or didn't say this. I hope you don't base your knowledge on what the news selects to feed you. Do those two groups base their fight on religious texts ? or are they merely nationalist defensive groups ? That's the implication of my question to Robert Spencer.

Posted by: sublimer [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 12:02 PM

MoBlows,

Thanks for your answer. I already knew about the split and the tensions though. But I am asking about the civil war. has it been centuries long ?????

Posted by: sublimer

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You are talking semantics. It's a centuries old Rift that if not kept under control by strongmen like Hussein and other Tryrannical leaders would have become an ongoing CIVIL WAR. it's the same thing. it was kept under some form of control through terror and fear. the Civil war you refer to is because as in Islam when it is left to it's own devices it becomes violent and aggressive. the only time in History that Islam has been kept under control and at bay is when it is in an inferior position, like in the Ottoman Empire or the British Empire. with no controls over it Islam does what it is meant to do . Destroy and subjugate all others, including Muslims .

using the term "Civil War" is a deflection tactic used by sympathizers and aoplogists. Islam IS Islam and it will never change it's stripes.

Posted by: MoBlows [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 12:04 PM

Freedom,

Hug a unicorn for me.

Posted by: sublimer [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 12:04 PM

Sublimer

I don't know about the Lord's Resistance Army. But on Jewish settlers in Judea and Samaria, their holding on to that place isn't different from Arabs holding on to places like Oman, Emirates, et al. When these Orthodox Jews want to wipe out the Eastern Orthodox in Serbia, Hinduism in India, Buddhism in Thailand, Confucianism in China, et al, let me know. I'll then concede that you have a legitimate equivalent.

We aren't talking about Muslims keeping Christianity and Judaism out of the Arabian peninsula, which would be the equivalent of Jewish settlers in Judea and Samaria. We are talking about Muslims trying to dominate the world - not only violently using Jihad, but also demographically and proselytizing.

Posted by: Infidel Pride [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 12:05 PM

Sublimer,

Nice shift in point. Wikipedia aside, the reference was unimportant comparative to your response. The removal of Hussein did incite the current secterian violence, and I for one think that is advantageous to all those outside of Islam. terms like "Neo-cons", "exit strategy" and "peace planning" are misplaced in this thread.

As far as your "defensive warfare claim", here's the rub on that. Per the Qur'an, the whole world is Allah's and Muslims are instructed to cleanse the world of all opposition to his will. Simple existence outside of the realm of Islam justifies "defensive warfare" against that existence.

The original story about how Spengler misses the point is valid. Anyone can find things in a text they are attempting to justify. The difference of those who act aggressively on a justification discovered in a text, which is commonplace in Islam, and say for arguments sake, those who act similarly in the name of Christian texts is, quite frankly....remarkable.

Staying on-topic always aids the flow of the debate.

Posted by: awake [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 12:07 PM

MoBlows,

So now "civil war" is a semantic tactic ? So what are you saying there is no civil war ? It is just Islam which is violent is evil is etc.... ? How do you explain the fact that there intermarriages between sunnis and shia ? Your argument does not make any sense. First you say that the civil war is centuries long and now you say it does not exist. You then say that anyways Islam is in a constatnt state of Hobbesian war of all against all, unless put under the lid by empires like the Ottomans. Do you know that the Ottomans were Muslims ?

Posted by: sublimer [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 12:10 PM

Infidel Pride,

Per your example of Judea and Samaria, You are assuming that homeland claims are necessarily trumped by religious claims. I don't know if you believe in that but I don't.

Posted by: sublimer [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 12:13 PM

Awake,

I think you've missed the point altogether. The removal of Hussein might have caused the civil war. Does that mean that the civil war was going on for 1300 years ? You also seem to forget that the reason the civil war started was because al Zarqawi (Al Qaeda) decide to bomb a respected Shia Mosque. Why was Al Zarqawi in Iraq ? I guess we come back to my first question.

Posted by: sublimer [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 12:16 PM

Sublimer you might want to read my posts again. i quoted " Civil War " in regards to your points. you called it that. i didn't call what has been going on for 1300+ years a Civil war , i called it a centuries old rift , which it is. i agree it is now a "Civil War" in Iraq because there is nobody with the will to crush the civil disobedience. One more time tell me what is your point?

I do though believe that calling it a "Civil war" in Iraq is irrelevant cause the seeds of distrust and the fighting between Sunni and Shiite has been going on for centuries.

Posted by: MoBlows [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 12:18 PM

"It is all so pointless and sophomoric; anyone can quote the Koran, or for that matter the Bible, to show whatever one wants"

If you can't quote the Koran to determine what Muslims believe, what's the point in having the book? The words must mean something to someone -- or to a lot of people.

The Koran, and the bible for that matter, provide a belief system and instructions on acceptable behavior for those believe in them as the revealed word of God.

It would be pointless and sophomoric not to reference these books in trying to understand the minset of their folowers.


Posted by: rational [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 12:20 PM

MoBlows,

I finaly agree with you. Centuries old rift would be correct. somone should send the memo to Robert Spencer though so he stops saying 1300 years old civil war.

Posted by: sublimer [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 12:25 PM

MoBlows,

That was my point all along.

Posted by: sublimer [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 12:26 PM

Sorry for being pedantic and insisting on the correct use of words, but language is the basis of any reasoning. Logos in Greek means both language and ratiocination. Read the chapter "On Language" in Hobbes' Leviathan. It is very interesting.

Posted by: sublimer [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 12:28 PM

@Sublimer

You are absolutely right. All was quite well in Iraq before Bush (the idiot) went in thinking that Arabs were just like Westerners and interested in democracy, human rights, and peace!

What a joke.

Hussein was exactly what the Arabs need. A ruthless, son-of-a-bitch who could get medieval on their asses. A Muslim Hitler!

We completely overestimated the intelligence and decency of Muslim Arabs who can be kept peaceful only under the threat of terrorism.

The Shia were treated worse than Shit under Hussein! Who cares? We rescued them and now they hate us.

Lie down with dogs, wake up with flies!

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 12:29 PM

Are you Muslim Sublimer?

Posted by: MoBlows [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 12:30 PM

Fleas!

Posted by: fedupinamerica [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 12:31 PM

The Shia were treated worse than Shit under Hussein! Who cares? We rescued them and now they hate us

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2

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And that is really the point. It was going on before and it will go on after the Americans leave. It's an Islam thing , not an American or Western thing. like i said if there ever was a period that there was little or no fighting it was because someone else was in control, like Hussein for example. It's really the only thing that keeps Muslims in line and civil. Brute Force. sad but true.the Rift / Civil War , whatever is happenning because there is noone with the will in Iraq to stop it.

Posted by: MoBlows [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 12:35 PM

sublimer

I normally don't, but given what Islam is, I do. In other words, if the Jews were trying to evict anybody else from that territory who had been there for centuries, I'd probably oppose that. However, given that it's Muslims that they are trying to evict, and given that if Muslims demographically gain an edge there, it would be over for Israel, I don't fault the Jews at all. Similarly if the Serbs and Indians were to take steps to de-Islamize Kosovo and Kashmir, I'd fully support it.

Otherwise, in the case of other conflicts, such as if Ireland wanted to expel all Protestants from Ulster, I wouldn't.

Posted by: Infidel Pride [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 12:36 PM

Spengler must be smoking pot these days. Mindless equivocation such as this is what I term divide-by-two. Spengler does not do his homework, divides by two, equates the correct Spencer to incorrect and egregious Armstrong, and in so doing rises above the fray (in his own self-image, at least).

If he's feeling a vacuum inside, he should just not write anything.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 12:37 PM

can you remind me again why Iraq is in a civil war ?

Posted by: sublimer

If the US caused the "civil war" in Iraq, please explain why the US Muslims are worried about sectarian violence here in America?
As far as I know there is no "power vacuum" in Dearborn or Minneapolis.

http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2007May07/0,4670,USMuslims,00.html

What university are you a sophomore at?

Posted by: auntbea [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 1:02 PM

@fedupinamerica

Gracias!

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 1:05 PM

Part of the American backbone during the Civil War was the sermons of the northern preachers explicating the evils of slavery. They were considered then to be liberal. Today the tide has turned, and the conservatives are part of the backbone of American values as the rest of the culture slides into relativism. Again, IMHO, from the pulpits of the American fundamentalist churches the salvation of America will come.

I have given a copy of Spencer's book, _The Truth About Mohammed_ to the my church's library. The pastor has read it and so others are also reading it. When I am finished with Spencer's other works, I shall donate them. From what I have heard, it is having an impact.

Bottom line in the war on Islam: Spencer keep writing and join an Independent Bible church.

Islam has no idea of what they are up against.

Posted by: Crusader [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 1:13 PM

MoBlows,

I am a Muslim.

Yankee Doodle,

Although I disagree with the words you use, I agree with your assessment. Although I support democracy, most Muslim countries cannot afford democracy right now. Democracy, unlike what Bush (the idiot) says, is not simply a process of voting. It needs to exist in a context where most of the people are educated and a society where humanities and the arts are flourishing. The founding fathers of the U.S. were part of the Enlightenment century in 18th century Europe. So you cannot just come and impose democracy. It has to be internal and has to be the final flowering of a mobile civil society interested in philosophy, freedom and most importantly able to think for itself. A lot of you people are so discouraged by what you see in Iraq that you think Muslims are incapable of this. But you seem to forget that Iraq was ruled by a dictator where this civil society was not allowed to exist. Look at Tunisia or Morocco or malaysia or indonesia for a counterpoint.

Infidel,

I am sorry tho see that you think that way. You do have those principles but you've made an exception solely for Muslims. This is the reason why Muslims radicalize themselves. They think that nobody wants to hear their plight. I am thinking mostly of the Palestinians who have been stateless for more than 50 years now. I think a respectable two state solution with viable borders would put an end to the images of humiliation at check points and bulldozing which Arabs see on TV and which fuel terrorism today.

Posted by: sublimer [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 1:16 PM

While being "nice" about the subject of Islam might make us friends, it will not defeat our enemies.

Islam is a cult. The Mormons are a cult. The big difference? Islam has Muhammad as its center, and the Mormons have Jesus Christ.

I can tolerate Mormonism. I can not tolerate Islam.

I might vote for a Mitt Romney. I would never vote for an Barrack Obama. Guilty by association in varying degrees.

Get the picture?

Posted by: Foehammer [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 1:18 PM

Auntbea,

Look up an article on the French intifada and how people reappropriate symbols they see on TV. If there was a war between the US and Mexico and there happened to be a neighborhood in France with a lot of Mexicans and Americans what do you think will happen ? Have you ever been to school ?

Posted by: sublimer [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 1:20 PM

I do understand the point Foehammer,

You would have been a perfect kapo in nazi germany.

Posted by: sublimer [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 1:23 PM

This discussion has gone waaaay OT. I suggest everyone "RTFA", as we say in the tech world:

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/IE08Ak05.html

Though it criticized Robert Spencer implicitly, the poet whom Spengler is writing about supports RS's general viewpoint with the eloquence of an insider.

Posted by: Quijybo [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 1:24 PM

Sublimer, do you really believe this ignored "Plight" is what is causing Muslims to Radicalize? because they think nobody is listening?

You don't think that the Radicalism has been going on all along and that it is the Clerics and Imams who are radicalizing the Muslims of the world. I do . it has ittle to do with their plight cause their plight is self imposed because of the teachings of MO and Islam. When Islam is willing to modernize and live in peace with all peoples and it's neigbours you will see this Plight disapear. It's in their hands , not ours. all we can do is defend our way of life and if Islam intends to keep pursuing our destruction the plight of Muslims will worsen. We have a right to exist .

Posted by: MoBlows [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 1:27 PM

"Look at Tunisia or Morocco or malaysia or indonesia for a counterpoint."
Posted above.

This is a joke, right?

Posted by: Concerned Citizen [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 1:46 PM

Robert, I don't know who Spengler is, but I only had to read the first sentence to decide that the piece is either senseless mumbo-jumbo or garden-variety dissembling. The guy seems full of himself and just as unaware of anything specific about Armstrong's work as your own. Frankly I'm shocked that the piece got published. Has the Asia Times no editors? Do they have any standards for what it publishable?

Spengler appears to think that an obscure poet is a great authority on these matters. I'll give him this, he appears to actually have read a few things this Adonis has written. He should have stuck to doing a poetry review. (Maybe this is a review that got rejected by the Arts Editor and so got rewritten as an op ed.)

Posted by: Archimedes2 [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 1:47 PM

Quijybo,

Adonis is indeed a great poet.

MoBlows,

I agree with you that the plight is radicalizing, that a ot of the imams have a radicalizing force. But you cannot just say it's the Muslim's problems and wash your hands away. I think that is cowardly. Indeed, a lot of imams are not helping but let's say they all calm down and call for peace. Israel will still be occupying the West Bank. Just this time the population under occupation will be docile. Let's say the Iraqi's calm down and Al Qaeda (as I do really hope) disappears from the surface of the earth. The Iraqis will be docile but still possibly living under American occupation. I mean do you really think the US went there just to promote democracy ? The Industrio-Military complex, the oil companies have had a big say in the invasion. ou know when american politicians say "we have to protect outr interests". what do you think those interests are ? What I am saying is yes a lot of imams are at fault, but you cannot occupy somebody's land without expecting some sort of radicalization.

what if somebody comes and kicks you out of your house, would you get angry. How would you like it that when you get so angry that you want to shoot someone, somebody calls you a radical ?

What I am saying is that the problem is more complex than black or white. It is black and it is white and rational people call for a solution to all problems. Sloganeers call for the eradication of the other.

Posted by: sublimer [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 1:49 PM
I have never said, and will never say, that any view of Islam is correct or incorrect. That is because there is no central authority in Islam that can decide such matters.
Sure there is, Robert. It's the example of Muhammad and his earliest followers, particularly the Rightly Guided. What better example of the way Islam should be practiced than the lives of those closest to the prophet, including the prophet himself? If Muhammad was a bloodthirsty savage, isn't true Islam bloodthirsty and savage?

Makes perfect sense to me.

Posted by: Gnosis [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 1:50 PM

@sublimer:

LOL. You're chewing on the wrong Jihad Watcher, grasshopper.

Tread lightly.

Posted by: Foehammer [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 1:56 PM

concerned citizen,

I like the fact that you only link to jihad watch to refute my point.

I mean imagine if I did this and showed it in some Islamist site.

Look at the:

USA (www.kkk.com)

USA (http://www.fatherryan.org/holocaust/neo-nazi/frontpage.htm)


USA (www.jewwatch.com/)

USA (www.davidduke.com/)


You do get the jist right ? You do understand what being selective means ???

Posted by: sublimer [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 1:56 PM

Concerned citizen,

Those sites do not stop the United States from being a great country. So please try not to judge a whole country on one man, one event or one episode.

Posted by: sublimer [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 1:58 PM

Gnosis,

I almost feel like I have to defend Robert Spencer against your accusation. I hope he could defend himself.

Posted by: sublimer [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 1:59 PM

Oh, I am going to so enjoy this....

Posted by: Foehammer [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 2:00 PM

Sublimer

You've got cause and effect interchanged - I make an exception for Muslims because they are intolerant - not the other way around. And I'm pretty familiar with Muslim intolerance in India for starters, and have noted that they aren't any different anywhere else.

The two state solution that you are talking about already exists - Gaza, for instance, is today Judenfrei (or Judenrein). Hamas totally runs things there. Fact remains that any land that was once part of the Ummah has to revert to the Ummah. Which is why you see not just Hamas, but Fatah claiming Israeli territory. It's why you have Muslims not only claiming Kosovo, but now operating in South West Serbia as well. It's why SIMI (Students Islamic Movement of India - the group instrumental in the 7/11 bombings last year) - has as its manifesto the 'liberation of India from Infidel rule'. It's not enough that they have Fuckistan and Bangladesh - they want India as well. You see that in Bangladesh vs India, where some millions of Bangladeshi Muslims over the years have infiltrated illegally into India. Why don't they respect the two state solution?

As Concerned Citizen pointed out, none of the countries you cite are examples of Islamic tolerance. For instance, how would you like living in a country that had Malaysia's Bhumiputra system, but in this case, directed against Muslims? Such as Muslims must be forced to share their wealth with non-Muslims, regardless of how it's earned? That mosques can't be built in the new capital city?

Posted by: Infidel Pride [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 2:01 PM

sublimer wrote:

"I just pointed out a factual error. If Spencer said , "There are practically no armed groups...." I would have shut up. I am just making sure we do not indulge in absolutist statements that tend to a simple manichaeism which might make us feel good but which is inherently false."

A Muslim revert perhaps? Your vocabulary is quite good. You have a Western education, that much is obvious.

The trouble I see here is that your attempts at equivalence are going to get you into no end of illogical thinking. Jewish settlers are not strapping bombs onto themselves or teaching their children to hate. A huge portion of Israel is, in fact, Arab Muslim.

How much of Saudi Arabia is Jewish?

Posted by: Foehammer [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 2:03 PM

I thought Oswald Spengler was put out of his Western misery long ago.

Posted by: remote_control [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 2:04 PM

sublimer wrote:

"4000 Terror attacks ? You surely are including what's going on in Iraq... which happens to be in a civil war. can you remind me again why Iraq is in a civil war ?"

Sure, ready?

Russia.

Iran.

Syria.

Muhammad.

Ali.

The Qur'an.

Islam.

Any more questions?

Posted by: Foehammer [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 2:10 PM

@sublimer

you posted this:

"Sloganeers call for the eradication of the other."

Adolph Hitler and Muhammad called for the eradication of all Jews.

Were they sloganeers?

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 2:12 PM

Sublimer~

Humor me.

Posted by: Gnosis [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 2:14 PM

Sublimer is about to learn that when Truth isn't on your side, argument is an uphill battle.

Always bring ammunition to a gunfight.

Posted by: Foehammer [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 2:16 PM

sublimer,

Okay, where in the heck did Mr. Spencer call for the "extermination" of others. How does his work make him a sloganeer.

Posted by: wrathofasma [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 2:20 PM

sublimer stated:

You might want to check out the Jewish orthodox settlers in the West Bank and the Lord's Resistance Army in Uganda.


The Lord's Resistance Army is a cult with Joseph Kony, claiming to be a spirit medium, running the freak show. It is hardly a Christian group.

The LRA's "activities" have not been restricted within Uganda either. Kony and his followers have been used as a proxy group by the Islamists in Khartoum in their genocidal war against Sudan's Christian south.

More on the Lord's Resistance Army here.

Ummah News Links

Posted by: ummahnewslinks [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 2:26 PM

Sublimer wrote:

"What I am saying is that the problem is more complex than black or white. It is black and it is white and rational people call for a solution to all problems. Sloganeers call for the eradication of the other."

Oh, so this must be the reason that Muslim terrorists never wear uniforms and that Islamic states hide behind Washington lobbyists and Islamic charities in order to maintain that powerful "gray" area, right?

A good plan, perhaps, but you see, I believe in black and white and it makes it so, so easy to see what's in-between. There really is not need for moral wishy-washy-ness in this war. Islam is the source of the problem, therefore Islam is black.

The rest is white.

See how easy that was?

Now, if the "gray" Muslims want to become apostates, are you going to allow it or do as "good Muslims" command and slay them? If it really is as complex as you maintain, we wouldn't even be able to find such dogma in Islam, but you see, the Creator didn't dictate anything to Muhammad, so that imperfect "prophet" couldn't have predicted opponents like you're going to encounter in this thread. God creates thinkers and people with free will and self-determination. We are not meant to be slaves or live in fear or own the lies of treacherous propaganda artists like yourself.

Instead, we choose to use logical reasoning and own worthy principles that allow for a future for humanity instead of a quagmire of 7th century misogyny and slavery and racism and hate. If Islam can not come into the Light of Reason, the Islam will meet the Fate it manifests for itself -- and if that ends up being Reformation or Destruction, either way we will all be the winners, Muslims and non-Muslims alike.

So, don't come here and attempt to make this such a complex thing. It is not.

Hammer.

Nail.

Hammer hits nail.

Posted by: Foehammer [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 2:30 PM

The problem Sublimer is that you seem to not recognize that the Islamists agenda is on a massive worldwide scale . There are more Radical factions in almost every faith , but until i see a plane full of Jews fly into a Tower in a Muslim City or see Christians or Buddhists ambush and behead innocent schoolgirls and 70 year old men , along with the Pope and the highest cardinals and Bishops calling for the absolute destruction of an entire people and of all religions, coupled with all the rallies in the M.E calling for death to anyone who opposes Islam , and then throw in some evidence of Jews or others teaching their children to hate and murder you are talking out of your ass. no offence intended. It's simply just not the same . It's an Islam problem , not a problem with the west. we give aid and care about people . we don't dance in the streets when an atrocity is commited against Muslims, Muslims do when we die example 911. we have a different ideology. We embrace life and Islam embraces Death . i call that Evil and inhumane. Islam is not compatible with compassion or human dignity. Stonings , amputations and the abuses of women and children under the Religion prove that , time and again.

Islam and Muslims need to own up to the fact that their Religion and violent intolerant ways are the symptom, not the result of..

Posted by: MoBlows [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 2:31 PM

Foehammer nailed it.

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 2:34 PM

99.99% of Christians are in a solid consensus of what the Bible teaches. God created a creation and it is good. Humanity fell, but God still loved us. God chose a particular people Israel to witness to salvation history. God came through a crucified and risen Jesus in history to fulfill salvation history. Those who follow Jesus are saved. Jesus will come again to judge the world and the creation will be transformed into a resurrected state whereby we will be in full communion with God. That's the skinny version ... yes, I've left some other stuff out, but hey, I don't want to write an essay on other essentials like the Trinity. If you want to list some more theological consensus, enjoy. My point is, that the Christian theological narrative is extremely stable. Consider the RC church rarely changes doctrine. Even the evangelicals with their lack of structure have a significantly solid consensus on essentials.

Sure the RCs, Evangelicals, Orthodox, and others disagree on some other stuff, however the consensus regarding the interpretation of the Bible is pretty consistent except for the JW's and liberal Christianity which are a pretty fringe group from a global perspective. And even these dissenters from the consensus do not interpret the Bible in a violent way.

As for Muslims, in Canada an Environics poll said that 7-10% thought that killing fellow citizens was a faithful religious response to Canada's intervention in Afghanistan.

I'm sure someone could write an essay, but it is intellectually dishonest to say that you can make the Bible say whatever you want. Sure on an individual level its true, however as a community Christians have a much more stable narrative than the Muslims do. That is why Islam is such a dangerous religion. The instability of the Koranic teachings and the hadith lend themselves to an unstable consensus regarding the right narrative within their religion. This is why some Muslims can turn from the ghandi-like mecca Mohammad into the murderous Mohammad of Medina. Islam is a Dr.Jeckle and Mr. Hyde religion due to its unstable theology. Dr. Spencer is just pointing out this fact which is reflect on a continual basis in the Islamic tradition, history and current news.

Posted by: James Martel [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 2:36 PM

"4000 Terror attacks ? You surely are including what's going on in Iraq... which happens to be in a civil war. can you remind me again why Iraq is in a civil war ?"

Sure, ready?

Russia.

Iran.

Syria.

Muhammad.

Ali.

The Qur'an.

Islam.

Any more questions?

Foehammer, I love your system of argumentation and I didn't know that Muhammad, ali and islam were countries. Thanks for enlightening me. Regarding Russia I do remember Beslan and the hostages at the opera caused by Chechen terrorists. There is also Chechenya but there is a war going on over there. Can you tell me how many terrorist attacks happened in Iran ? Look carefully cuz this is not a trick question. There were some terrorist attacks but just let us know who financed that terrorist group. You'll be surprised. As for syria, can you also let us know how many terrorist attacks happened there.

thank you in advance for the research.

Posted by: sublimer [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 2:38 PM

A Muslim poster would have us believe that since the Battle of Karbala (and those mountains of eyeballs) the Sunni and Shi'a have been peaceful. If so, then why was there steady, low-level hostilities in the interstices between higher-level hostlities? Why did the Shi'a come up with the doctrine of Taqiyya, if not to turn away the suspicions of Sunnis?

Skipping forward to the 20th century, why did Gertrude Bell in Mesopotamia in the 1920s worry about the revolt of the Shi'a tribes against the Sunni overlords the British had imposed? Why was it that in Pakistan for decades Sunnis have been killing Shi'a, and why is there a Sunni group, Sipaha-e-Sahaba, expressly devoted to killing Shi'a professionals? Why have the Saudis been discriminating against the Shi'a in the Eastern Province (Hasa) for the entire history of Saudi Arabia? Why have the Shi'a and Sunnis been at each other's throats in Yemen? Why, in Bahrain, does a Sunni ruler lord it over a population that is 70% Shi'a, and why have the Sunnis decided to offer citizenship to 50,000 Iraqi Sunnis, if there is "no problem" between Sunnis and Shi'a? Why in Lebanon did the old merchant middle-class of Sunni Arabs treat the Shi'a Arabs with such disdain, and why are they still doing it today? Why, why, why?

It isn't the Americans. They, idiotically, are trying to prevent the Sunnis and Shi'a from being at one another's throats. It's exactly the wrong thing to do, by "tough-minded" innocents, naive about Islam, and Muslims -- beyond belief.

Posted by: Hugh [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 2:51 PM

Sublimer

Foehammer bats brilliantly for himself, but on your part, this is more of a vain exercise in semantics rather than an acknowledgment that he gave you a complete response. Your question was:

can you remind me again why Iraq is in a civil war ?
and his answer was Russia, Iran, Syria, Mohammed, Ali, Quran and Islam.

Russia is responsible due to its backing of Iran and Syria, not because of its own problems in Chechnya. In fact, one wishes that Russia would recognize this as a problem of a global Jihad. Maybe they do, but they also see the West as allies of Jihad when it suits them such as in Serbia and Chechnya. As a result, unlike Foehammer, I don't completely blame them. So Russia's contribution to this civil war is indirect, courtesy its backing of Iran and Syria.

Iran has been supporting the Mahdi Army, and providing improvised IED's to Shia terrorists in Iraq. While that's been used against US troops, it has also been used against Sunnis. So that's how Iran's been contributing.

Syria has allowed itself to be a gateway into Iraq - allowing both Muslim Brotherhood thugs from Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Syria itself into Iraq, in the process easing the internal Sunni pressure on the Alawite regime. It would also have no problems letting Hizbullah spill into Iraq, should the need arise. So they've been contributing there as well.

As for Mohammed, Quran and Islam,they are the reason that the Iraqis, instead of rebuilding their society a la post WWII Japan or Germany, are focussing instead on making Iraq a true Islamic state. And Ali, and the memory of his struggle against Abu Baqr, Umar and Uthman, as well as Imam Hussein, are what inspire the Shia-Sunni conflict, which is there not only in Iraq, but also Pakistan, Afghanistan, Bahrein, Yemen and Saudi Arabia.

So they don't have to be countries to inspire any civil war in Iraq.

Posted by: Infidel Pride [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2007 2:59 PM

Ok heres some more numbers for Sublimer.

Source:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

" So, you think the Ku Klux Klan and the Spanish Inquisition are bad?
So do we, but...
Put the Numbers in Perspective

More people are killed by Islamists each year than in all 350 years of the Spanish Inquisition combined.

(source)http://www.crisismagazine.com/october2003/madden.htm

Islamic terrorists murder more people every day than the Ku Klux Klan has in the last 50 years.

(source) http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/shipp/lynchingyear.html

More civilians were killed by Muslim extremists in two hours on September 11th than in the 36 years of sectarian conflict in Northern Ireland.

(source)http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/issues/violence/death95w.htm

19 Muslim hijackers killed more innocents in two hours on September 11th than the number of American criminals executed in the last 65 years.

(source)http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/ESPYdate.pdf

List of Islamic Terror Attacks For the Past 3 Months

Date Country City Killed Injured Description
5/7/07 Afghanistan Kabul 1 5 A young boy is among the casualities when Islamic extremists fire a rocket into a public building.
5/7/07 Thailand Yala 2 1 A 70-year-old Buddhist man is among two rubber tappers murdered by Islamic radicals.
5/6/07 Afghanistan Ghazni 5 2 Religious extremists target a road construction crew with a roadside bomb, killing five members.
5/6/07 Afghanistan Kabul 2 2 Two American prison guards are killed by a militant in an Afghan army uniform.
5/6/07 Pakistan Punjab 2 1 Sunnis shoot two Shia clerics to death inside a home.
5/6/07 Iraq Samarra 12 11 A suicide bomber blows a dozen souls to Allah.
5/6/07 Iraq Baghdad 28 11 Jihadis rack up twenty-eight dead Iraqis in various attacks.
5/6/07 Iraq Baghdad 42 70 Sunnis car bomb a crowded market, slaughtering over forty Iraqis.
5/6/07 Pal. Auth Rafah 1 4 Islamic fundamentalists attack a school that "mixes" girls and boys in class, killing at least one person.
5/6/07 Chechnya Vedeno 4 3 Four policemen are killed by Jihad militants.
5/5/07 Thailand Yala 1 1 Islamists bomb a public school, killing a guard.
5/5/07 Afghanistan Helmand 2 0 A suicide bomber rams into a police vehicle, killing two Afghans.
5/5/07 Thailand Yala 3 0 A 2-year-old girl is among three people killed by an Islamic bombing.
5/5/07 Thailand Yala 1 0 A man is gunned down by Muslim extremists in a drive-by shooting.
5/5/07 Iraq Baghdad 16 21 A suicide bomber targets young police recruits, murdering at least sixteen.
5/5/07 Afghanistan Farah 8 2 Taliban fighters attack a small town, killing at least eight Afghans defending it.
5/5/07 Iraq Baghdad 3 0 Terrorists mortar a soccer field, killing three children.
5/5/07 Pakistan Dera Ismail Khan 1 0 A civilian is gunned down in a sectarian attack.
5/5/07 Iraq Kannan 4 0 Four members of one family are shot to death by Islamic gunmen.
5/4/07 Iraq Fallujah 9 0 Nine people, including four brothers, are kidnapped and executed by the Mujahideen.
5/4/07 Thailand Yala 3 0 A 7-year-old boy and an 11-year-old girl are shot to death along with their father by Islamic 'rebels.'
5/4/07 Pakistan Miran Shah 1 0 Islamists open fire on a car, killing the driver.
5/4/07 Iraq Hilla 5 35 Sunnis bomb a Shia mosque, killing at least five.
5/4/07 Thailand Yala 1 0 Muslim radicals shoot a man to death and throw his body in a river.
5/4/07 Iraq Baghdad 22 2 Two guards at a rival mosque are among twenty-two people killed by sectarian terrorists.
5/4/07 Thailand Yala 1 0 A man is hacked to death by Islamists in public view at a market.
5/4/07 Iraq Suwayra 8 0 Eight people are kidnapped and executed by the Mujahideen.
5/3/07 Afghanistan Kabul 1 29 Religious extremists hide a bomb in a fruit cart, killing at least one innocent at a market.
5/3/07 Afghanistan Oruzgan 1 0 A suicide bomber kills at least one Afghan national.
5/3/07 Thailand Pattani 1 0 Muslims gun down a policeman guarding a school.
5/3/07 Afghanistan Helmand 1 0 A British soldier is shot to death by Taliban terrorists while manning a checkpoint.
5/3/07 Iraq Baghdad 9 0 In a brutal attack, Muslim gunmen storm a home and slaughter a family of nine.
5/3/07 Iraq Baghdad 29 0 Four Filipinos are among twenty-nine people killed by Muslim terrorists in separate attacks.
5/3/07 Iraq Baiji 6 0 Sunnis kidnap and murder six Iraqi policemen.
5/3/07 Thailand Pattani 1 0 A 35-year-old Buddhist succumbs to injuries suffered from a bomb attack days earlier.
5/3/07 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 A villager is shot to death by Muslim radicals.
5/2/07 Iraq Baghdad 4 35 A suicidal Sunni takes out four Shia civilians in a blast.
5/2/07 India Handwara 1 0 A cop is gunned down by the Mujahideen.
5/2/07 Afghanistan Paktia 5 2 Five Afghan troops are killed when Taliban ambush a Czech diplomat's vehicle.
5/2/07 Pakistan Goorwak 1 0 al-Qaeda-backed militants kidnap a man, then cut off his head.
5/2/07 Iraq Baghdad 30 0 Thirty bodies are found dumped following their execution at the hands of sectarian terrorists.
5/2/07 Iraq Mahmoudiya 11 1 Jihadis kill eleven people near a minibus with an explosive.
5/2/07 Afghanistan Kabul 1 0 A lawmaker is shot to death outside his home.
5/2/07 Chechnya Grozny 2 0 Islamic militants set off a remote-controlled bomb, killing two policemen.
5/1/07 Thailand Pattani 1 26 Four children are among the injured when Muslim bombers detonate explosives outside a market.
5/1/07 Iraq Baqubah 10 0 Ten victims of Islamic terrorists are found shot to death.
5/1/07 Iraq Baghdad 19 6 Nineteen Iraqis are killed in sectarian attacks.
5/1/07 Thailand Yala 1 4 A man is gunned down by Muslim militants at a gas station. His wife and young daughter are injured in the attack.
5/1/07 Iraq Iskandariyah 14 8 Sunni gunmen fire on Shia vehicles from a highway overpass, killing at least fourteen innocents, including women and children.
4/30/07 Afghanistan Kandahar 1 3 A suicide bomber kills an Afghan citizen in a highway attack.
4/30/07 Iraq Ramadi 6 10 Freedom fighters murder six Iraqis with a chlorine bomb.
4/30/07 Pakistan Jandola 2 0 al-Qaeda militants abduct and behead two civilians.
4/30/07 Iraq Baghdad 37 50 Nearly forty people are killed in various sectarian attacks within the Religion of Peace.
4/30/07 Iraq Khalis 32 52 A suicidal Sunni takes out thirty-two mourners at a Shia funeral with an explosives vest.
4/29/07 Thailand Narathiwat 1 1 Muslim gunmen take out a 3-year-old boy riding in a truck.
4/29/07 Iraq Baqubah 12 5 A disembodied head and a shooting ambush on a minibus carrying female university students are part of a dozen deaths at the hands of Muslim terrorists.
4/29/07 Iraq Kut 1 9 A 9-year-old boy is killed when Jihadis bomb a house.
4/29/07 India Srinagar 1 25 A Mujahideen grenade attack on a bus stand leaves a woman dead.
4/29/07 Pakistan Naray Dhoke 1 0 A militant attack on a security post leaves one officer dead.
4/29/07 India Kulgam 1 0 A civilian is shot to death by the Mujahideen.
4/29/07 Thailand Pattani 1 0 A 60-year-old cattleman is murdered by Islamic gunmen.
4/29/07 Afghanistan Herat 2 1 A Taliban roadside attack kills two Afghan soldiers.
4/29/07 Iraq Baghdad 17 8 Three street sweepers are among seventeen people murdered by Islamic radicals in separate attacks.
4/29/07 Thailand Pattani 2 0 Two Buddhists, including a 14-year-old boy, are murdered by militant Muslims. One is beheaded and both bodies are burned.
4/28/07 Iraq Baqubah 27 0 Twenty-seven victims of Islamic terrorism are discovered in two locations, handcuffed and tortured.
4/28/07 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 A 45-year-old man is killed by Muslim gunmen in a drive-by.
4/28/07 Pakistan Peshawar 28 35 A suicidal religious extremist blows twenty-eight souls to Allah in an assassination attempt on a government minister.
4/28/07 Iraq Zafaraniyah 4 3 Four Iraqi humanitarian workers are taken down by Islamic gunmen.
4/28/07 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 A 37-year-old civilian is ambushed and killed by radical Muslims.
4/28/07 Iraq Baghdad 22 22 Twenty-two people are killed in Muslim sectarian attacks.
4/28/07 Iraq Karbala 60 170 Freedom fighters car-bomb a Shia shrine, killing sixty innocent people.
4/28/07 Iraq Mosul 17 0 Seventeen bodies are found of kidnapped and murdered victims of the Religion of Peace.
4/28/07 Iraq Baghdad 4 1 Freedom fighters massacre four Iraqi humanitarian workers.
4/27/07 Chechnya Shatoi 17 0 Islamic fundamentalists shoot down a Russian helicopter, killing all seventeen aboard.
4/27/07 Iraq Kirkuk 1 0 A human rights activist is successfully assassinated by the Religion of Peace.
4/27/07 Thailand Pattani 1 0 A 70-year-old Buddhist man is shot off of his motorcycle by Islamic 'rebels.'
4/27/07 Sudan Gnaya 4 5 Four Christians, including a boy, are shot to death by radical Muslims after showing a 'Jesus' film in a village.
4/27/07 Iraq Hit 10 20 A suicide truck bomber takes out ten Iraqis.
4/27/07 Pakistan North Waziristan 4 0 Four people are killed when explosives level a house in the middle of the night.
4/26/07 Afghanistan Mihtarlam 1 0 A civilian is killed in a Taliban bombing.
4/26/07 Afghanistan Barmal 1 1 A rocket attack by religious extremists leaves at least one civilian dead.
4/26/07 Afghanistan Barmal 2 0 Two civilians are shot to death by suspected Islamic militants.
4/26/07 Afghanistan Ghazni 2 0 The Taliban murder two government officials.
4/26/07 Lebanon Sidon 2 0 A 12-year-old is among two people kidnapped and murdered in ugly fashion by sectarian rivals.
4/26/07 Iraq Mosul 3 59 Islamic militants set off several bombs, killing at least three civilians.
4/26/07 Pakistan Dera Ismail Khan 2 0 Two men are gunned down by Islamic militants at an Internet café.
4/26/07 Iraq Baghdad 35 19 Jihadis bomb a university, killing eight people, and murder twenty-seven others in sectarian attacks.
4/25/07 Afghanistan Paktika 7 1 Seven Afghan soldiers are killed when the Taliban use a roadside bomb against their vehicle.
4/25/07 Iraq Mosul 2 2 Fundamentalists attack a bakery, killing the owner and an assistant.
4/25/07 Iraq Baghdad 24 10 A Jihad bombing and several sectarian attacks leave two dozen dead.
4/25/07 Somalia Mogadishu 7 0 Somali Islamists set off a car bomb near a hotel, killing seven innocents.
4/25/07 Pakistan Dera Ismail Khan 3 0 Two Shia brothers are among three killed in a vicious attack by Sunnis.
4/24/07 Afghanistan Herat 4 2 Four Afghans are killed when religious extremists ambush their vehicle.
4/24/07 Iraq Baqubah 8 17 Eight people are killed by Islamic terrorists.
4/24/07 Iraq Baghdad 19 0 Nineteen victims of sectarian hatred within the Religion of Peace are found throughout the city.
4/23/07 Thailand Yala 1 0 Islamists shoot and attempt to behead a 40-year-old Buddhist man.
4/23/07 Iraq Mosul 10 20 A suicide bomber rams his car into the offices of a political party, slaughtering ten civilians.
4/23/07 Iraq Baqubah 10 23 A suicide bomber kills ten Iraqi policemen and injures two dozen more.
4/23/07 Iraq Ramadi 19 30 Coordinated car bombs take out nineteen innocent lives in the name of Allah.
4/23/07 Iraq Baghdad 23 14 A suicidal Sunni attacks a restaurant, blasting eight civilians to death. Fifteen victims of sectarian violence are found elsewhere.
4/23/07 Iraq Diyala 9 20 A Fedayeen suicide bomber attacks an American convoy, killing nine soldiers.
4/23/07 Somalia Mogadishu 4 1 A woman is among the dead, and a baby among the wounded, as Somali Islamists continue to pour on the misery.
4/22/07 Iraq Saidiya 7 42 Jihadis blast seven Iraqi civilians to Allah with a car bomb.
4/22/07 Afghanistan Khost 10 40 Ten civilians are murdered by a suicide bomber at a market.
4/22/07 Iraq Baghdad 13 95 Fedayeen suicide bombers kill 13 people, mostly civilians.
4/22/07 Thailand Pattani 1 1 Radical Muslims gun down a husband and injure his wife.
4/22/07 Afghanistan Ghazni 1 0 An Afghan intelligence officer is invited into a home, then kidnapped and beheaded by Islamic extremists.
4/22/07 Afghanistan Zabul 2 5 Religious extremists bomb a vehicle, killing two Afghan police.
4/22/07 Pakistan Mastung 3 0 Three children, agest 2, 5 and 12, are killed when Muslim terrorists throw explosives into a home.
4/22/07 India Doda 3 0 Lashkar-e-Toiba militants attack and kill three Hizb-ul-Mujahideen who were planning to surrender.
4/22/07 Iraq Iskandariya 2 0 A young girl is among two targets taken out by Islamic gunmen.
4/22/07 Iraq Bashika 23 0 Twenty-three members of a minority religious sect are kidnapped on a bus, taken to a wall and shot to death by the Religion of Peace.
4/21/07 Iraq Kirkuk 4 0 Holy Warriors storm a family home and murder two children and their parents.
4/21/07 Thailand Pattani 3 1 Three Thai soldiers are killed when local religious extremists set off a bomb.
4/21/07 Iraq Khalis 8 0 Eight tortured bodies are found, four of who are beheaded in the Islamic tradition.
4/21/07 Iraq Baghdad 13 5 A bomb on a bus is among at least two Mujahideen attacks that leave thirteen civilians dead.
4/20/07 Iraq Baghdad 25 27 Two children are among two dozen Iraqis killed by sectarian Jihadis in various attacks.
4/20/07 India Rajouri 2 0 Islamic terrorists kidnap and behead two Hindu civilians collecting firewood.
4/19/07 Somalia Mogadishu 12 20 Islamic militias mortar a crowded market, killing a dozen civilians.
4/19/07 Iraq Baghdad 26 4 Three Jihad attacks leave twenty-six bodies, nearly all civilians, including a teenage girl.
4/19/07 Philippines Parang 7 0 Seven Christian laborers are kidnapped and beheaded by Moro Islamists.
4/19/07 Iraq Baghdad 11 34 A Fedayeen suicide bomber drives his truck into a fuel tanker at a gas station, killing eleven innocent people.
4/19/07 India Baramulla 1 0 The Mujahideen force their way into a home and then shoot a civilian resident to death.
4/19/07 Thailand Narathiwat 2 0 Two Buddhist teeanage girls are shot to death by Islamists.
4/19/07 Somalia Mogadishu 10 71 At least ten people, mostly civilians are killed when a Muslim sucide bomber detonates his truck near an Ethiopian army base.
4/19/07 Iraq Shirqat 4 0 Islamic terrorists set a car on fire, with four people inside.
4/18/07 Thailand Yala 1 0 A 44-year-old civilian is shot off of his motorcycle by Muslim radicals.
4/18/07 Iraq Baghdad 192 239 Sunnis slaughter nearly two-hundred Iraqi civilians, mostly Shia women and children in multiple bombing attacks. Some victims were burned alive in vehicles.
4/18/07 Turkey Malatya 3 3 Three Christians working at a Bible distribution company are brutally tortured and murdered by local Islamists. All three had their throats cut.
4/18/07 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 Islamic terrorists shoot a 52-year-old civilian to death.
4/18/07 Iraq Baghdad 22 0 Twenty-two bodies are found here and elsewhere, some of which were beheaded by Islamic radicals.
4/18/07 Somalia Mogadishu 3 6 Islamic militias rain down mortars over a residential area, killing three civilians.
4/17/07 Iraq Hawija 3 4 Jihadis car-bomb a gas station, killing three patrons.
4/17/07 Nigeria Kano 13 0 A woman is among thirteen people torn apart by Muslim fundamentalists in a mob attack.
4/17/07 Afghanistan Kandahar 5 0 The Taliban bomb a UN vehicle, killing five occupants.
4/17/07 Afghanistan Heart 4 3 Four children are killed by a bomb planted by religious extremists at their school.
4/17/07 Iraq Ramadi 17 0 Seventeen people are kidnapped and brutally executed by Islamic terrorists.
4/17/07 Iraq Abu Saida 2 5 Muslim gunmen attack a displaced family, killing two members.
4/17/07 Thailand Narathiwat 2 0 Muslim radicals kill two Buddhist plantation workers with a shotgun, then cut the head off of one.
4/17/07 Sudan Sires Umm al-Qura 73 12 Government troops of the Islamic republic massacre over seventy African villagers in at least eleven separate attacks over three days.
4/17/07 Thailand Pattani 1 0 A Buddhist police officer is gunned down by Muslim radicals.
4/17/07 Iraq Baghdad 15 16 A university professor is among fifteen people gunned down in at least three Jihad attacks.
4/16/07 Thailand Yala 1 0 Islamists murder a civilian in a drive-by attack ouside a tea shop.
4/16/07 Iraq Baghdad 14 7 A female university student is among fourteen people murdered in separate Jihad attacks.
4/16/07 Pakistan Kohat-Peshawar 1 2 A man is shot to death by Islamic terrorists in an attack on a highway.
4/16/07 Thailand Yala 1 0 A town mayor is gunned down in a Muslim terror attack outside his home.
4/16/07 Thailand Narathiwat 1 3 Ten Islamic militants open fire on a Thai army base, killing one soldier.
4/16/07 Afghanistan Kunduz 10 32 A Fedayeen suicide bomber kills ten Afghans and injures another thirty.
4/16/07 Iraq Diyala 1 1 Fundamentalists kill a barber in his shop.
4/16/07 Pakistan Badh Beer 3 4 Three children are killed, and four others injured when militants toss a grenade into a family home.
4/16/07 India Doda 1 1 Two civilians are abducted by the Mujahideen, who kill one in captivity.
4/16/07 India Pulwama 1 0 Lashkar-e-Toiba militants kill a guard near a railway track.
4/16/07 Iraq Mosul 23 4 Two college professors and a 17-year-old boy are two dozen Iraqis murdered in four separate attacks
4/15/07 Algeria Ait Mahmoud 2 0 Two Berber civilians are shot to death by five Islamic militants.
4/15/07 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 A 70-year-old Buddhist man is shot three times in the torso by Muslim radicals, who then set fire to his body.
4/15/07 India Pulwama 1 0 A Christian church worker is kidnapped, brutally tortured and then beheaded by the Mujahideen.
4/15/07 Afghanistan Spin Boldak 4 1 A suicide bomber kills several Afghans in an attack on a highway.
4/15/07 India Munawajji 2 1 Two civilians are murdered in a shooting attack on their vehicle by the Mujahideen.
4/15/07 Iraq Baghdad 44 43 Several attacks by Jihadis, including three car bombings, leave over forty Iraqi civilians dead.
4/15/07 Iraq Baghdad 15 50 A coordinated bomb attack on a market leave about fifteen patrons dead and another fifty in agony.
4/15/07 Iraq Mosul 4 16 Four people are killed when suicidal Sunnis drive bomb-laden trucks into a building.
4/14/07 Philippines Panamao 3 10 A child is among three killed when Moro Islamic Front terrorists attack a military camp.
4/14/07 Iraq Karbala 47 224 Sixteen children are among 47 Shias slaughtered by a suicidal Sunni bomber at a bus station near a crowded market.
4/14/07 Iraq Baghdad 35 50 A suicide car bomber kills thirty-five Iraqi commuters on a downtown bridge.
4/14/07 Thailand Narathiwat 2 0 Islamic terrorists gun down two civilians riding a motorcycle.
4/14/07 Iraq Baghdad 29 19 Twenty-nine people are murdered by sectarian Jihadis in at least three attacks around the country.
4/14/07 Algeria Boumerdes 4 2 Four Algerian security are killed in an ambush by Islamic fundamentalists.
4/14/07 Afghanistan Khost 8 6 Eight Afghan police are murdered by a Fedayeen suicide bomber.
4/13/07 India Batmalu 1 1 Hizb-ul-Mujahideen opens fire on a policeman in a brutal attack that also injures a young girl.
4/13/07 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 A 19-year-old boy is shot to death by Muslim radicals.
4/12/07 Philippines Indanan 2 10 Abu Sayyaf gunmen kill two Filipino soldiers.
4/12/07 Pakistan Chardiwar 5 6 Sunni gunmen raid a Shia village, killing five civilians.
4/12/07 Somalia Mogadishu 2 0 Two civilians are killed from stray bullets as Islamic militias ambush government troops.
4/12/07 Iraq Baghdad 8 23 A Fedayeen suicide bomber detonates in a parliament building, killing eight fellow Iraqis.
4/12/07 Iraq Baghdad 10 30 Jihadis bomb a bridge, killing ten Iraqi commuters.
4/12/07 Iraq Kirkuk 6 19 Holy warriors bomb a minibus, killing six passengers.
4/12/07 Iraq Baghdad 19 9 Sectarian violence claims the lives of nearly twenty people around the capital.
4/12/07 Pakistan Miranshah 1 3 One civilian is killed when militants fire a rocket into a house.
4/12/07 Somalia Mogadishu 52 165 Islamic militias shoot rockets and mortars into populated areas in a running battle against the government.
4/11/07 Iraq Baghdad 34 8 A teacher is among thirty-four people murderd by Islamic terrorists in at least five attacks around the country.
4/11/07 Somalia Mogadishu 3 0 Three people riding a minibus are shot full of holes in an attack by Islamic gunmen.
4/11/07 Afghanistan Kandahar 2 9 Nine civilians are wounded by a suicide bomber. Two Canadians are killed in a separate bombing.
4/11/07 Thailand Yala 1 0 A 26-year-old Buddhist woman is burned alive by the Religion of Peace.
4/11/07 Thailand Yala 2 0 A 19-year-old Buddhist man and his mother are gunned down by radical Muslims.
4/11/07 Pakistan Sadda 27 30 Sectarian clashes between Sunni and Shia leave at least twenty-seven dead.
4/11/07 Algeria Algiers 33 222 Thirty-three people are killed by Islamic fundamentalists in three separate suicide bombings.
4/11/07 Bangladesh Jhalakathi 1 0 Jama'atul Mujahideen is suspected to be behind the assassination of a prosecutor.
4/11/07 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 A 50-year-old man is murdered by Muslim gunmen.
4/11/07 Iraq Mosul 2 0 A woman journalist and her husband are kidnapped and brutally murdered. Their bodies are set on fire.
4/11/07 Sudan Abujogh Market 40 25 Arab militias massacre forty African villagers in an attack with heavy machine-guns.
4/11/07 Pakistan Kurram 3 11 Separate missile attacks on three villages by Islamic radicals kill at least three civilians.
4/10/07 India Srinagar 1 10 A shopkeeper is killed when Mujahideen terrorists toss a grenade into his store.
4/10/07 Iraq Muqdadiyah 21 33 A woman with explosives hidden beneath her abaya wades into a crowd of police recruits and slaughters sixteen. A second bombing kills five more.
4/10/07 Iraq Baghdad 6 11 Six people are murdered when Sunni radicals set off a bomb near a university.
4/10/07 Iraq Baghdad 1 17 One 6-year-old boy is killed and seventeen other children and teachers injured when Jihadis send a rocket into a basketball court.
4/10/07 Iraq Hilla 2 4 Islamic terrorists plant a bomb in a home, netting six casualties from the same family.
4/10/07 Iraq Fallujah 10 1 Five victims of sectarian violence are found here, and five others elsewhere.
4/10/07 Pakistan Shingak 1 0 Sectarian violence within the Religion of Peace claims another life.
4/10/07 Pakistan Balishtkhel 3 0 Fighting between Sunnis and shi leaves three people dead.
4/10/07 Pakistan Pir Qayyum 3 0 Three people lose their lives in sectarian violence.
4/10/07 Pakistan Ibrahimzai 1 0 A man is killed in fighting between sectarian factions.
4/10/07 Morocco Casablanca 1 1 A police officer is killed by a suicide bomber.
4/9/07 Thailand Yala 1 0 A Buddhist ice cream vendor is gunned down by Muslim terrorists.
4/9/07 Thailand Yala 1 0 A 34-year-old Buddhist man is killed in a drive-by shooting by Islamic radicals.
4/9/07 Thailand Yala 1 0 A 55-year-old truck driver's body is ripped in half by a Muslim bomb.
4/9/07 Iraq Baghdad 17 The bodies of seventeen victims of sectarian violence within the Religion of Peace are found.
4/9/07 Thailand Pattani 1 0 Muslims gun down a Buddhist civilian in a drive-by.
4/9/07 Afghanistan Khakraiz 1 0 A civilian is killed in a Taliban attack.
4/9/07 Afghanistan Zabul 4 19 Religious extremists ambush a military convoy, killing four Afghan soldiers.
4/8/07 Iraq Mahmoudiyah 18 23 Freedom fighters bomb a hospital, killing eighteen Iraqis.
4/8/07 Thailand Yala 1 0 A rubber plantation worker is shot to death by Islamists.
4/8/07 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 Islamic radicals shoot and kill a civilian outside his home.
4/8/07 Afghanistan Kandahar 6 0 Six Canadians are killed by Taliban extremists in a roadside blast.
4/8/07 Afghanistan Kabul 1 0 The Taliban beheads a kidnapped Afghan journalist.
4/8/07 Pakistan Pewer 4 0 Four Shias are shot to death by radical Sunnis.
4/8/07 Pakistan Chardiwar 2 0 Two Shias are gunned down by Sunni terrorists.
4/8/07 Pakistan Mallikhel 2 0 Sunnis murder two Shias in a sectarian attack.
4/8/07 Pakistan Karman 1 0 A Shia civilian is shot to death by Sunnis.
4/8/07 Pakistan Boshera 5 0 Three women and two children are killed in sectarian violence.
4/8/07 Iraq Baghdad 24 21 A suicide car bomber is one of several Jihad attacks that leave two-dozen Iraqis dead.
4/8/07 Pakistan Wana 2 0 A tribal leader and his deputy are shot to death by al-Qaeda backed militants.
4/8/07 Pakistan Sadda 2 0 Two Sunnis are killed by radical Shia gunmen.
4/7/07 India Baramulla 1 0 A civilian is abducted and murdered by the Mujahideen.
4/7/07 Pakistan Parachinar 10 83 Sunni gunmen open up on a crowd of Shias leaving a mosque. Ten people are killed in the ensuing firefight.
4/7/07 Iraq Baghdad 15 5 Shootings and bombings leave at least fifteen dead.
4/7/07 Iraq Baqubah 27 2 Twenty-seven victims of sectarian violence within the Religion of Peace are found around the city.
4/7/07 Algeria Zaccar Forest 9 7 Nine Algerian soldiers are ambushed and killed by Islamic fundamentalists.
4/7/07 Philippines Parang 10 2 Ten people, including a civilian, are killed in an ambush by suspected Abu Sayyaf terrorists.
4/7/07 Afghanistan Farah 7 4 The Taliban murder seven Afghans trying to clear land mines.
4/6/07 Iraq Tal Afar 19 5 A child is among nineteen people found dead here and in the capital following sectarian terror attacks.
4/6/07 Afghanistan Kabul 6 4 A suicide bomber takes out five civilians and the police officer who tried to stop him.
4/6/07 Saudi Arabia Medina 1 2 A police officer is killed in an attack by an al-Qaeda suspect.
4/6/07 Iraq Ramadi 25 30 Freedom fighters use a chlorine truck bomb to kill twenty-five Iraqis, mostly civilians.
4/6/07 Yemen Amran 0 30 Radicals rampage through a rival mosque, spraying gasoline and setting people on fire.
4/5/07 Iraq Diyala 22 0 At least two women are among twenty-two people kidnapped and either shot to death or beheaded by the Religion of Peace.
4/5/07 Iraq Baghdad 13 0 Gunmen kill thirteen civilians, including a child, in separate attacks.
4/5/07 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 Islamic extremists murder a 52-year-old man inside his home.
4/5/07 Thailand Narathiwat 1 1 A 51-year-old man is ambushed and killed by Islamic terrorists.
4/5/07 Thailand Narathiwat 2 0 Two civilians are shot to death by Muslim radicals as they are traveling in a car.
4/5/07 Iraq Baghdad 1 0 A mother of three is kidnapped and shot to death by Sunni terrorists.
4/5/07 Afghanistan Kandahar 1 7 An Afghan police officer is killed when the Taliban bomb his vehicle.
4/5/07 Afghanistan Zabul 5 0 Religious extremists kill five Afghans guarding a road.
4/5/07 Afghanistan Khost 1 3 Religious extremists shoot an Afghan interpretor to death.
4/5/07 Iraq Basra 5 1 Iran is suspected to be behind the death of four British soldiers and a civilian in a bomb attack.
4/5/07 Thailand Yala 0 16 Radical Muslims bomb a rival mosque, injuring sixteen people.
4/4/07 Algeria Biskra 3 7 An al-Qaeda attack leaves three Algerian soldiers dead and seven more injured.
4/4/07 Thailand Narathiwat 2 0 Islamic radicals open up with automatic weapons on two men leaving a tea shop.
4/4/07 Iraq Kirkuk 11 0 Freedom fighters murder eleven power plant workers.
4/4/07 Iraq Hilla 3 0 Two people are beheaded and a prostitute is stabbed to death by religious fundamentalists.
4/4/07 India Tral 1 0 A woman succumbs to injuries following a Mujahideen attack.
4/3/07 Iraq Baqubah 17 0 Jihadis kill seventeen people in attacks in three different cities.
4/3/07 Iraq Baghdad 15 2 Sectarian attacks at a university and elsewhere leave fifteen Iraqis dead.
4/3/07 Thailand Narathiwat 1 1 Islamists shoot at two men riding a motorcycle, killing one.
4/3/07 Thailand Pattani 3 0 Muslim radicals ambush and kill three Thai policemen.
4/2/07 Pakistan Shalobar 2 9 Two people, including a student, are killed by gunfire during a sectarian clash.
4/2/07 Pakistan Shin Warsak 2 0 Foreign militants storm a local residence, killing a man and a 15-year-old boy.
4/2/07 Iraq Kirkuk 13 167 Radical Sunnis bomb a school, killing thirteen, including eight schoolgirls and a baby. Nearly two-hundred others are wounded.
4/2/07 Iraq Baqubah 21 0 Twenty-one people are abducted and murdered by Jihadis.
4/2/07 Afghanistan Kandahar 3 2 Religious extremists attack a police checkpoint, killing three officers.
4/2/07 Iraq Baghdad 20 15 At least three separate Jihad attacks leave twenty people dead.
4/2/07 Iraq Sab al-Bor 1 0 An 11-year-old boy has his throat slit by al-Qaeda.
4/2/07 Iraq Khalis 3 20 A suicide bomber targets a restaurant, killing at least three patrons.
4/1/07 Afghanistan Mihtarlam 5 6 Three children are among five civilians blown up by a suicidal religious extremist.
4/1/07 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 A 34-year-old Buddhist is shot off his motorcycle by militant Muslims while riding to work.
4/1/07 Thailand Pattani 1 0 A truck driver is shot to death by Islamic radicals.
4/1/07 Afghanistan Musa Qala 3 0 Three villagers are abducted and hanged by the Taliban.
4/1/07 India Baramulla 1 0 Jihadis shoot a politician to death.
4/1/07 Sudan Um Baru 5 0 Muslim gunmen shoot five AU peacekeepers to death in an unprovoked attack.
4/1/07 Iraq Baghdad 37 22 Islamic terrorists rack up three-dozen dead Iraqis in various attacks around the country.
3/31/07 Iraq Baghdad 19 22 Freedom fighters car bomb a hospital, killing five Iraqis. Fourteen bodies are found elsewhere.
3/31/07 Chad Tiero and Marena 200 0 Janjaweed militias surround two African villages and fire into them, killing at least two-hundred Africans, including women and children.
3/31/07 Thailand Pattani 1 0 A retired teacher is shot to death by radical Muslims.
3/31/07 Thailand Narathiwat 2 0 An elderly Buddhist couple is murdered in their store by Islamic gunmen posing as customers.
3/31/07 Sudan Nyala 23 0 Twenty-three villagers are massacred by Arab militias.
3/31/07 Somalia Mogadishu 1 4 Islamists fire mortars at the presidential palace, killing at least one person.
3/31/07 Afghanistan Kandahar 7 4 Seven Afghan cops are killed in a brutal ambush by Taliban extremists.
3/31/07 Iraq Kirkuk 8 2 Four brothers are among eight civilian workers murdered by Jihadis in an ambush on their bus.
3/31/07 Iraq Hilla 4 23 Four people are killed when Muslim terrorists detonate a car bomb along a city street.
3/31/07 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 A 29-year-old man is shot to death by radical Muslims.
3/31/07 Sudan Bolbol Jazou 30 0 Thirty villagers are reported dead in the second town to be attacked by Janjaweed militia.
3/30/07 Iraq Suwayra 9 0 Nine Iraqis are bound and executed by Islamic terrorists here and at Tal Afar.
3/30/07 Pakistan Shen Warsak 2 0 Two children are killed when Uzbeki militants fire a rocket into their home.
3/30/07 Afghanistan Kandahar 5 1 Religious fundamentalists attack a government checkpoint, killing five Afghans.
3/30/07 Iraq Mosul 44 0 Twenty-five victims of sectarian violence are found in Mosul, a dozen in Baghdad, and seven in Baqubah.
3/30/07 Thailand Pattani 1 4 A Buddhist policeman is killed in a Muslim bombing.
3/29/07 Iraq Baghdad 41 46 At least three Jihad attacks leave more than forty civilians dead.
3/29/07 Pakistan Kharian 2 7 An elderly suicide bomber wanders into a group of soliders, resting after training, and kills two.
3/29/07 Somalia Mogadishu 2 12 Islamic militias mortar a mosque, killing two children.
3/29/07 Iraq Khalis 53 103 Sunni terrorists use multiple, coordinated car bombs to slaughter over fifty Iraqi Shias.
3/29/07 Iraq Mahmudiya 5 20 An eye doctor is gunned down on his way to work, as Islamic terrorists also kill four other innocents with a car bomb.
3/29/07 India Rajouri 5 4 Five Hindus working on a remote road are brutally murdered by Islamists.
3/29/07 Iraq Baghdad 82 138 Suicide bombers strike a marketplace, massacring over eighty shoppers and leaving more than a hundred others in agony.
3/28/07 Afghanistan Kabul 4 12 A suicide bomber kills four people at a market.
3/28/07 Pakistan Tank 2 4 Two people are killed in a militant attack.
3/28/07 Algeria Kabylie 3 0 Three Algerian security forces are attacked and killed by Islamic fundamentalists.
3/28/07 Iraq Tal Afar 50 70 Sectarian killings net over fifty Iraqis, mostly reprisals for the previous day's bombing.
3/28/07 Iraq Suwayra 5 0 Five people are kidnapped and killed, including one by beheading.
3/28/07 Thailand Pattani 1 1 A 35-year-old Buddhist man is murdered by Islamic gunmen in an attack that also injures his wife.
3/28/07 Thailand Yala 1 0 Radical Muslims shoot an elderly Buddhist man twice in the chest. He dies on his way to the hospital.
3/28/07 India Rajouri 1 0 A civilian is beheaded in his village by the Mujahideen.
3/28/07 Iraq Baghdad 29 55 A chlorine bombing is among four Jihad attacks that leave two dozen Iraqis dead.
3/27/07 Iraq Baghdad 19 15 At least nineteen people are killed in sectarian violence within the Religion of Peace.
3/27/07 Afghanistan Kabul 1 2 Islamic militants kill a Pakistani engineer and injure two Afghans in a shooting ambush.
3/27/07 Afghanistan Lashkar Gah 4 4 A religious extremist blows himself up in a police station, killing four people.
3/27/07 Afghanistan Bajaur 5 0 Islamic terrorists kill four Pakistani intelligence agents on a remote highway.
3/27/07 Iraq Ramadi 17 32 A suicidal Sunni murders seventeen people in a restaurant.
3/27/07 Iraq Diwaniya 6 0 A half-dozen Iraqis are murdered in Jihad attacks.
3/27/07 Iraq Tal Afar 152 347 Freedom fighters use twin truck bombs at two markets to massacre over one-hundred and fifty Iraqis. Afterwards, they attack ambulances carrying the wounded.
3/26/07 Yemen Saada 2 0 Two Western students (British and French) are killed by radical Shiites.
3/26/07 Pakistan Tank 2 13 Militants attack a police station, killing two security staff.
3/26/07 Iraq Fallujah 3 0 Two women and a 14-year-