"with deportation resulting from any false answer given."

First, many will say, "I did not believe so deeply in islam when I first came, but then accepted the importance of disrespecting the kufar. Is it not my right to change my mind?"

Second, the children and grandchildren, faced with setbacks... well, we can all repeat Hugh in this matter, and should.

How about a moratorium on almost any immigration? I understand (weakly) that we need people to grow the economy; but maybe the cost is too great.

I really don't see how we can create an immigration policy that targets Muslims , let alone one that targets jihadi sympathisers (which is to say.... Muslims).

Posted by: StillBreathing at May 10, 2007 8:03 AM

We should begin deporting muslims soon.

Posted by: mike trivisonno at May 10, 2007 8:06 AM

"We have seen jihadists start drinking Pepsi, and even coming to love it, but not stopping loving death".

Ah, but just wait till the kidney stones start appearing, they'll be begging for death!

Posted by: Jihadtobejoking at May 10, 2007 8:14 AM

Of what value is

"instituted screening for jihadist and Sharia sentiments and explicit acceptance of the non-establishment clause",

given that

"there is no reliable way to distinguish a jihadist from an anti-jihadist"?

The two are in direct contradiction. Why wouldn't our best screening procedures prove useless since anyone can say whatever they want in an interview? We'll never be sure of someone's violent jihadist tendencies until they show themselves in actions, which speak louder than words.

Why wouldn't we expect an Islamist handbook to pop up somewhere, telling all future jihadists the best way to get through the screening procedure?

Many of these young men would probably have gotten through the first time since they weren't always religious. That came later. They would be able to claim they made no false statements and that any attempt at deportation would be an interference in their free exercise of religion.

The answer is a minimum ten year moratorium on all Muslim travel (not just immigration) to the US. There are many peaceful people all over the world waiting patiently for a chance to come here. They deserve priority.

Posted by: PMK at May 10, 2007 8:29 AM

""Our view was they had pretty much gotten to concluding the planning phase of this and were looking to obtain heavy weaponry - and if not from us, they were going to try to obtain it elsewhere."

......this is one of the reasons gun control will be ineffective....

obtaining illegal weapons is much easier that than those who support gun contol think...for example...you can go to virtually any leftist south American country and buy any weapon you want...and then simply drive across the US/Mexican border...the border checkpoints only spot check vehicles and cargo trucks....you have a great chance of getting through with no difficulty...(of course , you could be unlucky and your vehicle is one of the ones to be checked, but the odds are in your favor). Banning gun ownership by honest citizens would only serve to insure they may die quicker...

and

"I really don't see how we can create an immigration policy that targets Muslims , let alone one that targets jihadi sympathisers (which is to say.... Muslims).

Posted by: StillBreathing "

A Muslim immigration ban is easy to do if the politicians and the dhimmicrats agree to do it...

immigration bans have been done before...in 1924, United States Immigration Act of 1924 banned immigration from Japan.

A Muslim immigration ban may not catch all Muslim terrorists, but it will slow them down.

A few here have critized me for calling for a ban on Muslim immigration, but I still say. "ban Muslim immigration"

Posted by: exsgtbrown at May 10, 2007 8:29 AM

Step 1. Recognize as official national policy that islam is not a religion, but rather an agressive, expansionist, totalitarian political ideology, akin to nazism. Maybe we could ban nazism as well, it would be about time.

Step 2. Close all mosques, permanently.

Step 3. Make it official policy that anyone who belongs to islam is persona non-grata. Lying about it leads to immediate deportation.

Step 4. Pass legislation that explicitly states that anyone can leave islam any time they want, and that threatening people for leaving islam is punishable by imprisonment (deportation for non-citizens).

There will no longer be any reason for islamists to come to America.

Posted by: Minority of One at May 10, 2007 8:52 AM

We should stop immigration. Immigration is to benefit the Senators who vote for it. There is no economic benefit to immigration to the middle class. Its lose lose. Lose on security lose on prosperity.

“NEW DATA SHOW EXTRAORDINARY JUMP IN INCOME CONCENTRATION IN 2004″ By Aviva Aron-Dine and Isaac Shapiro for a graph of income share of top 1 percent from 1913 to 2004.

Income Inequality U Shape Timeline

7 of the top 8 wealthiest Senators voted for S. 2611, amnesty, affirmative action, non-deportable crime, and a pathway for the top 1 percent of households to continue to enjoy 20 percent of each year’s income, compared to 10 percent before Kennedy’s 1965 Immigration Act. The only 1 of the top 8 who didn’t vote for S. 2611 didn’t vote, Jay Rockefeller. McCain is 7th and Kennedy 8th in wealth.

Open Secrets

Rank Name Minimum Net Worth Maximum Net Worth

1 Herb Kohl (D-Wis) $219,098,029 to $234,549,004 Voted Yes S. 2611

2 John Kerry (D-Mass) $165,741,511 to $235,262,100 Voted Yes S. 2611

3 Jay Rockefeller (D-WVa) $78,150,023 to $101,579,003 Not Voting S. 2611

4 Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif) $43,343,464 to $98,660,021 Voted Yes S. 2611

5 Lincoln D. Chafee (R-RI) $41,153,105 to $64,096,019 Voted Yes S. 2611

6 Frank R. Lautenberg (D-NJ) $38,198,170 to $90,733,019 Voted Yes S. 2611

7 John McCain (R-Ariz) $25,071,142 to $38,043,014 Voted Yes S. 2611

8 Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass) $19,189,049 to $93,043,004 Voted Yes S. 2611

More data here

Posted by: Old Atlantic at May 10, 2007 9:05 AM

Tatar's father, Muslim Tatar, 54, denied that his son had made deliveries to Fort Dix.

Americans lie on their tax returns, about extramarital affairs, etc. However, something that is beginning to make Americans uncomfortable is the Muslim tendency to lie when the the truth would suffice.
In Florida, a man with a Muslim sounding name was caught with fighting cocks in his yard. Cock-fighting is illegal in all states except LA. He claimed he was taking care of them for a family member who lived in LA. Even the local NYT clone newspaper had to point out that the police found a bloody cock-fighting ring in his back yard!

Believe me Hugh, the rage is there. The conversation on the streets in small town America is like after 9/11.

Since it is impossible to tell who will 'go Jihad' (read go postal) next. The soldiers living and working on bases will be the ones to pay. No deliveries on base will be the answer.

The other thing that has pissed off regular Americans, especially the people in the Sunshine State (now covered with smoke) is the Mickey Mouse thing. The Pali's made a big mistake there.
You are looking at an icon that has been debased. There is also a lot of upset at the silence from Dizzy on the subject. Walt's granddaughter spoke out about it but not Disney Corp. Even the NBC station has pointed this out, in between Bush bashing.

Posted by: auntbea at May 10, 2007 9:10 AM

Hugh posted:

"For had that video transferral store clerk not been alert, it might well have succeeded. Don't forget that. There was no changing of Muslim minds, no repentance. It was an accident that prevented the massacre from occuring. Do not take it lightly, or react to it as anything but the result that those Muslim plotters so tirelessly worked for, so ardently desired."

Yes. The only downside to these plots being discovered, is that many people conclude our enemies are bunglers not to be taken seriously.

Posted by: freedomschool at May 10, 2007 9:24 AM

Immigration doesn't help the middle class. Men's median wages are lower than in 1973.

Income, Poverty, and
Health Insurance Coverage in
the United States: 2005

US Census Report on wages By
Carmen DeNavas-Walt
Bernadette D. Proctor
Cheryl Hill Lee

Graph page 18 shows men's median wages peaked in 1973, they are lower now. Women's median wages are lower than men's, which means they are lower than men earned in 1973. Black median wages are lower than all men, which means black wages are lower than what all men made in 1973.

1973 is 35 years ago. When they push immigration after the US government reports wages are stagnant for 35 years it shows they are voting their stock portfolio.

Immigration keeps wages to the 1973 level. That boosts up stock prices, because productivity has gone up since 1973. So the money is going to profits which pushes up stock prices. The leading Senators pushing immigration, McCain and Kennedy are worth 10's of millions of dollars. They are i the top 1 percent that get 20 percent of the income.

The top 1 percent got 20 percent of income before the 1920's restriction, 10 percent after, and now get 20 percent with 1965 legal immigration. Kennedy pushed that act and he is now wealthier because his stocks went up.

Posted by: Old Atlantic at May 10, 2007 9:26 AM

True, Mr. Spencer, a person can simultaneously love Pepsi and Death and fail to see that you can't have Pepsi in Death. Sad but true.

Immigration reform needs to update the 1965 revisions. I will begin to ask for this each time I contact representatives and will ask for a suspension of student, tourist and family visit visas to areas of the world which support or promote jihadism.

We need to get serious about who we allow into our nation on a permanent or temporary basis. We also need to get serious about preventing unwanted visitors and illegal immigrants from crossing into the United States. The three illegals crossed into this country in 1984 through Brownsville, Texas.

NAFTA or not, this has got to stop. Hiring illegals needs to become potentially more expensive to a small business than the savings they'd capture in hiring.

I talked to my local lawn irrigation man as he winterized my system last Fall. He told me that the staff was mainly Mexican ( aka illegal? ) and that his company's hiring practices were standard in the industry. We're talking about a company with no more than 30 employees?

The immigration and border problems are National Security and existential problems for us in 2007 just as they were for the Western Roman Empire in 300 AD.

We don't want to repeat the fall of the Western half due to a) outside immigration b) focus on 'bread and circuses'. The parallels are disturbing to me.

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at May 10, 2007 9:35 AM

In an article posted on the liberal Arab website Elaph on April 23, 2007 and titled "This Is the Difference Between Muslims and the Civilized World," Riyadh 'Abd compared the reaction of Virginia Tech killer Cho Seung-Hui's family to that of families of suicide bombers in Iraq:

"What caught my attention was a report... that the criminal's family... offered its apologies and expressed grief, embarrassment, and shame, as well as consternation and incomprehension of their son Cho Seung-Hui's atrocious crime... This Korean family expressed a sense of sadness and grief, profound remorse, and a sense of partial responsibility for what their son did.

"Let's compare this natural, human, civilized behavior that places value on human life with [that of] the families of Arabs in Islamic lands who lost their sons in Iraq in criminal suicide operations whose victims number tens of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians.

"Instead of the Iraqis receiving apologies and feelings of grief and consolation for these filthy criminals' killing and slaughtering of innocents and their demolishing and destroying of property, we see the families of these killers holding mourning ceremonies and bragging of the 'martyrdom' of their sons the mujahideen – [and at these ceremonies] they receive congratulations instead of condolences.

"This strange behavior and sick pride in criminal acts can only be explained as a conclusive sign of the moral decline and deterioration of contemporary Islamic and Arab civilization."

"Don't the Iraqi People Deserve an Apology From the Family" of Abu Mus'ab Al-Zarqawi?

"There are hundreds of examples of this barbaric and disgraceful behavior, from Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and other Arab countries. Where is the apology from the family of the barbaric criminal, the beheader known as Abu Mus'ab Al-Zarqawi, to the Iraqi people for the crimes of mass murder, destruction of property, and cutting off [people's] livelihoods? Don't the Iraqis deserve an apology from the family, tribe, and village of this dirty scoundrel?

"Where is the apology from the family of the Jordanian criminal who caused the deaths of 200 innocent civilians in Al-Hilla, in a suicide bombing in a popular market in 2005? It is known that there was a large mourning ceremony after the death of this criminal, that was attended by a number of important Jordanian statesmen...

"I read an article from a few years ago about an attempt by CNN... to interview, in Cairo, the father of the criminal Muhammad 'Atta, the commander of the group responsible for [9/11]... It is known that this individual had at first spread made-up stories about the Mossad kidnapping his son, stories snatched up at the time by the Egyptian media, which is known for its addiction to invented stories and raving analyses...

"Later he began to brag about what his son did, calling his abominable criminal act 'jihad.' When CNN asked him for an interview, he made it contingent upon them paying him $5,000 for it. When they told him that it is station policy not to pay interviewees, Muhammad 'Atta's father turned down the interview, claiming that a Muslim is not allowed to aid the infidels without remuneration. Did the Muslims disapprove of this disgraceful position?... I don't think so.

"What is it That Makes Muslims, and Not the Rest of Humanity, Prone to This Kind of Barbarism?"

Posted by: drzz at May 10, 2007 9:40 AM

Old Atlantic:
Large dose of salt is needed when taking the government's figures on income.
It is known that the government says we have more poverty than we did in the mid-sixties. The problem is that their definition of poverty is skewed. The poor in America today live a better life than the middle class did in the sixties.
Park your car in some HUD assisted housing project for a day and make note of the cars, cell phones, clothing, etc. of the residents who need our tax dollars to supplement their rent.

The government is still proving with statistics, that the moon is made of green cheese.

Posted by: auntbea at May 10, 2007 9:42 AM

Reacting "AS IF" the plot was successful hasn't helped us so far. All we hear from our leaders is the "religion of peace hijacked by a few extremists" line. They certainly don't react "as if" these plots succeeded.

Haven't there been many plots thwarted that never made their way into the news because they required no outside help (like from this store clerk) or were stopped in the preliminary stages?

One "AS IF" that should give everyone pause is the FIRST attack on the World Trade Center. It happened at around noon when the buildings were filled. The goal was to tip one tower into the other. Anywhere from twenty five thousand to fifty thousand people might have been killed, but the bomb wasn't big enough and "only six" people died and so it was treated as a "crime scene".

There is circumstantial evidence to suggest that additional planes were to be hijacked on 9/11 but the closing of US airspace and the grounding of the commercial fleet "thwarted" those plans.

Posted by: PMK at May 10, 2007 9:43 AM

Pizza delivery Muhammadans should not, in these perilous times, even think about coming to my house.

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at May 10, 2007 9:44 AM

Did anybody see this startling admission by John Derbyshire of National Review, concerning NR's pro-Islamist writings and tendencies?

>>>>A cordial but concerned reader: "Derb--Are you staking a claim as NRO's house Islamophile?"

Already did, five years ago. Although in fact the claim is un-stakeable, since plenty of NR writers--most, I think, and quite possibly all--are well-disposed, or at least not bitterly ill-disposed, towards Islam....

So far as the founder is concerned, until I read Karen Armstrong's book, most of what I knew came from Gibbon (favorable), H.G. Wells (unfavorable), and Hilaire Belloc (weird--he thought Islam was a Roman Catholic heresy). How many full-length biographies of Mohammed have YOU read?"

http://corner.nationalreview.com/

Posted by: Menetheos at May 10, 2007 9:45 AM

This terrorist tactic they used in Serbia long before 1999. Method of attack alleged by the Federal prosecutors is chillingly familiar to those who recall terrorism by Kosovo Albanian separatists. In 1987, the New York Times reported that Aziz Kelmendi, a young Albanian conscript in the Yugoslav Army, had shot up a dormitory in his barracks in Paracin, killing six other soldiers and injuring many others. Kelmendi's act prompted an internal investigation, and the Army discovered other Albanian separatist cells plotting similar attacks.

http://www.newsmax.com/articles/?a=1999/4/8/213303

Posted by: LazarOfSerbia at May 10, 2007 9:47 AM

Notice that the Duka brothers have now disappeared from all discourse on this subject. Why?

Because they were born of Albanian parents in MONTENEGRO and arrived in the United States illegally when they were 1,4 and 6 years old.

I guess is that's good old jihadist training they got at Montenegrin preschool, no?

No, these guys are home grown. But you won't find any mention of the error in blaming Albania for this anywhere on any of the sites that have smeared Albania with the result.

What still needs to be proved -- and nobody can yet establish anything of the kind -- is that any Albanian training WHATSOEVER had anything to do with Abdullah being a part of this.

Likely, all this jihad stuff on the part of the four "Albanians" is pure USA born and bred, which is actually much MORE of a problem for us.

All that remains to be seen, but so does an Albanian "jihad connection" which certainly no one has established.

But that hasn't stopped anybody on the Serb side from a conviction. All over the internet from Nebojsa Malic at antiwar.com to those who write for this website or FPM from crucifying Albania for political purposes for what is very likely a born-in-the-USA terror plot.

But hey, it's the stuff of magic (black) for the Serbs, just as Talovic (and his family) were convicted of jihad in the Salt Lake City Cho-style meltdown of a disturbed teenager -- an allegation that months later shows now indication whatsoever of being true.

It will not matter that the entire Albanian population in this country condemns the plot. And it will not matter that the Duka brothers cannot remember ever living in Montenegro. Because the conviction of Albania in this case, as with Bosnia in Talovic's case, is already a done thing.

It is unlikely, however, that the Europeans will buy so quickly what the Americans can't wait to put in the history books, ably assisted by the Serb propaganda machine in America, spread out as they are (quite cleverly, actually) from the Far Left to the Far Right and every place they can invegle themselves into in between.

Nope, the Europeans watched a war started by the Serb assassin of Archduke Ferdinand, an assassin on a land-grab jihad that has never ended. They also watched the Serbs go to war agaisnt every ethnic group in the Balkans and watched people starving, shelled without the ability to defend themselves (they had been disarmed), tortured, murdered and raped for crime of voting themselves independent of a supremacist ethnic group that believes all the land in the Balkans is their own personal "ancestral lands" -- despite the fact it is the ancestral lands of Albananians who preceded Serbs to the area 4,000 years before them, the Jews who've been there for 500 years, and the Slavs, Romanians, Croats, and Bosnians who all hold equal claim to the land.

So we will now stop talking about the Duka as it's been established that they were all under 7 and have no memory of any Balkan homeland. But we will not erase the lies we've told and the aspersions that we've cast.

We will now blame the 800,000 Albanians living in this country peacefully, respectfully and gratefully and tolerate the Serb Master Race War in America when it is they who should probably lose their little green cards for trying to set my country up once again. As one Serb said on the FPM boards: there'll be another war, and this time Serbs will win it, and they'll do it American money, American weapons, and American soldiers.

So sign up for Army service now, and see beautiful, destroyed Sarajevo and the great historical sites of Pristina and Srebrenica. When the Serbs take them over, I expect to see monuments erected to Mladic and Karadzic, the butchers of Srebrenica and the ones who ran a sniper war against unarmed civilians. When I posted the list of children killed by these snipers, age 2 and up, one of our dear JW posters said,:

Gee, I thought that Karadzic was a politician; how nice to find out he was also an excellent shot.

Meanwhile, Albania serves in the U.S. coalition in Iraq. In fact there are 21 coalition members, and they are these:

Albania
Armenia
Australia
Azerbaijan
Bosnia-Herzegovina
Bulgaria
Czech Republic
Denmark
El Salvador
Estonia
Georgia
Kazakhstan
Latvia
Lithuania
Macedonia
Moldova
Mongolia
Poland
Romania
South Korea
United Kingdom

Now, the War in Iraq was a mistake, but the list above tells you who your friends.

And how come Albania, Azerbaijan (94% Muslim), Bosnia-Herzegovina, Kazakhstan (47% Muslim, highest % of any religion) are in there helping us FIGHT JIHAD and the Serbs aren't???

The answer to that question is that the Serbs aren't really interested in fight jihad worldwide. They are interested in creating a perception of the Muslims in the Balkans as OVERWHELMINGLY jihadist so they can continue a war for absolute supremacy in the Balkans -- and, having completely ruined their reputation in Europe and the rest of the world -- see the false conflation of all things non-Serb in the Balkans with radical jihad the fastest, easiest way to suck America into another war, this time on their side.

Or, we can Bleed for their Greed once again.

No. The conflation of Albanian Islam with jihad is vastly false. They are fighting it all the time, and with a better record, frankly, than we have.

Bosnia-Herzegovina is expelling every hate-preacher it can find.

In Montenegro, there is open, violent skirmish to prevent Wahhabists from taking mosques.

Frankly, these Muslims stand up against radical jihad every day of their lives. It's American Muslims who don't by and large (acknowledging a few wonderful examples like Zudhi Jasser).

So, you won't hear about the Duka boys again, except for a blanket assertion that they are jihadists because someone Albanian blood makes you so. They will be used -- these boys 1, 4 and 6 -- to fatten the Serb claim that ethnicity and jihad are joined at the chromosome.

And nobody who has written about the DUKA family name being ALBANIAN will withdraw the claim.

Is it a Muslim thing? Yeah, it is. And my guess is we're going to find an Wahhabi imam, probably foreign-born, probably Egyptian or Pakistani imam (the Saudi financiers cover it by using imams of other nationalities in the United States, not their own people) behind this.

You will likely find a SUNNI source for this, not a Shi'a one. And the vast majority of Albanians are not Sunni. They are Bektashi Sufis, and that's Shi'a.

There are many on this site that believe that the ends justify all means, even destroying the models of moderacy which are the bearers of a peaceful Islam of the future.

I am not one of them.

Posted by: Morgaan Sinclair at May 10, 2007 9:49 AM

Just last week I was sitting with some friends after a golf game and the conversation turned to Fort Dix. I had never even broached the subject of Islam before to any of them. I was amazed to find out that some thought that the Quran was just like the Bible and that it taught peace over violence. I spent the next 30 minutes telling them about the violent surahs found in the texts of the Quran and that there are thousands of what are called hadiths that proclaim violent jihad against all non Muslims from athiests to Zionists. One friend said; why would there prophet teach such violence in what he referred to as their holy book? So I spent the next 10 or so minutes defining Mohammed to them,surprizing ly most of them were shocked at the description of Their prophet and they just thought that these violent jihadists were using the religion of islam falsely. I suggested that they go down to Barnes & Noble and buy a copy of the Quran by N. J. Dawood,The politically to Islam by Robert Spencer,The Sword and the Prophet By serge Trifkovic, and Why I am not A muslim By Ibn Warraq--and they will cost you less than one golf game. The consenus was "good Idea".

The point here is: I wonder how many still have this misunderstood concept of what Islam has been teaching for the past 1,300 years?

Posted by: Mackie at May 10, 2007 9:51 AM

"The poor in America today live a better life than the middle class did in the sixties.
Park your car in some HUD assisted housing project for a day and make note of the cars, cell phones, clothing, etc. of the residents who need our tax dollars to supplement their rent."

Posted by: auntbea

....ever notice how many "poor" people are obese?....go inside their residence, see the color tv, the microwave, the stereo equipment, the nice furniture....then watch the mailman deliver the government check once a month...

Posted by: exsgtbrown at May 10, 2007 9:53 AM

Well it is obvious that people here are becoming frustrated with all of this. Dhummilizah Rice supporting the Islamic non-secularization of Turkey, and Dhimwhit Bush supporting the Jihad in Kosovo, and our out of control immigration problem in this case specifically brought me to the boiling point the other day. Would we all be better off watching Entertainment Tonight in fuzzy slippers drinking tea? No. We are on here because we care about what is going on. We want to make a difference. Personally I do all I can by taking information from here and spreading it to all who will listen. Heck I’d force feed it to people if I could. It is all we can do. I have several converts to this point, and they vote. Mackie has hit on an exellent point it is our duty, as having recieved proper information, to inform as many as possible.

Posted by: Ameriki at May 10, 2007 9:57 AM

Morgan Sinclair,

I understand that you are a very literate person who probably knows so much more than me about the groups that you champion in Europe. It wouldn't be hard, since I know next to nothing about them. My greatest exposure to Armenia was bakery near my college that made great Pita bread.

However I have to say, in light of all I have learned here at Jihadwatch and in the books that are recommended, that I am going to copy this line and put it in my dictionary in place of the current definition of oxymoron.

There are many on this site that believe that the ends justify all means, even destroying the models of moderacy which are the bearers of a peaceful Islam of the future.

Posted by: auntbea at May 10, 2007 10:05 AM

"I really don't see how we can create an immigration policy that targets Muslims , let alone one that targets jihadi sympathisers (which is to say.... Muslims)."

Regardless of one's opinion about immigration in general, the establishments of both parties are conspirng to pass something called the STRIVE Act. Actually it should be called the STRIFE Act which stands for Societal Troubles Resulting from Insane Federal Enactments. This legislation and similar proposals now being worked on will easily double the yearly immigration numbers. And there is no consideration being given to banning Muslim immigration or even to asking, rather weakly, what the prospective immigrant thinks about jihad.

Therefore the legislation will increase and not decrease the number of Muslim immigrants. Even those who are not against these guest worker and amnesty proposals should insist that such legislation not be enacted in its present form. The time is short.

Posted by: RBLA at May 10, 2007 10:06 AM

"The time is short.

Posted by: RBLA"

...so too, is your life, if such STUPID immigrations policies are allowed to continue...

Posted by: exsgtbrown at May 10, 2007 10:15 AM

Abdullahu was familiar with Fort Dix because it was the first place he landed when arriving in the United States as a refugee from Kosovo, according to a law enforcement officials who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity.

Madam Albright and company should have personally provided housing for this creep and the thousands that she, Clinton, Weinberger, and all the rest of them invited into this country at the expense of the American taxpayer.

Authorities said one of the defendants, Tatar, worked at his father's pizzeria and made deliveries to the base, using the opportunity to scout out Fort Dix for an attack.

Thank you madam secratary and your highness, Mr. Clinton; these must belong to you -- YOU deal with them!

Posted by: witness at May 10, 2007 10:19 AM

I wonder if what is now unfolding at the high school in Boulder Co. has to do with albanian refugees?

Posted by: witness at May 10, 2007 10:21 AM

the source may be sunni, but shia can be influenced as much as anyone (including western converts) to commit these acts.

i just refuse to call illegals a 100% 'homegrown' problem. i tend to call this an immigration problem. illegal is illegal.

this 'influence' may have come from the local sunni mosques (could've come from home or friends for that matter), but when the act's this close to fruition should we really be splitting hairs???

shut down our borders, close all our mosques (start with saudi-funded), & ship 'em all home!

Posted by: kafir_kelbeh at May 10, 2007 10:22 AM

The Strife Act should be called what it really is: A nice humanitarian gesture by the United States to repatriate the millions of Iraqi Sunni Muslims who lost their homes in Iraq right here in the U.S.A!

Give us your huddled masses yearning to be free!

We owe them. Don't we folks? Didn't President George W. Bush make some promises to the moms and dads of Iraq that he would deliver democracy and prosperity, and well, it just didn't work out that way. Not yet anyway. We're still working on it.

Can't we all just get along?

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at May 10, 2007 10:25 AM

Senate trades our lives and security so that they get 20 dollars of every 100 dollars we create at work instead of the 10 dollars they got before the 1965 Immigration Act.

Worker Productivity Graph and info

Productivity never stopped growing, except possibly during some recessions or odd years from 1947 to present.

1947 to 1973 worker productivity up 2.7 percent per year.

1973 to early 1990's 1.4 percent per year

1995 to 2004 2.9 percent per year increase in worker productivity.

Yet men's median wages are lower than in 1973, and the other groups, women, blacks, etc. are lower than all men in 1973.

The workers became more productive, but wages stayed at or below the level of men in 1973.

What changed is that the top 1 percent get 20 percent of every 100 dollars we make now but only got 10 dollars per every 100 before the 1965 Immigration Act.

Scroll down for graph below:

U Shaped Income Inequality Timeline

Stocks boomed. Senator's wealth boomed.

They are trading off our lives for their stock portfolio.

Posted by: Old Atlantic at May 10, 2007 10:26 AM

This country is dead *ss asleep. Nothing will wake it up until more Muslims kill more Americans on American soil. The left through the MSM have brainwashed this great country. It will probably take several hundred adults killed or least the horror of seeing children killed to wake it up.

So be it!

Posted by: Crusader at May 10, 2007 10:27 AM

explains why i make nothing...makes me not want to be more productive!

Posted by: kafir_kelbeh at May 10, 2007 10:28 AM

"Nothing will wake it up until more Muslims kill more Americans on American soil."

crusader, my hubby & i have been saying this for about 5 years...

somehow, we just knew the last 'lesson' wouldn't stick.

Posted by: kafir_kelbeh at May 10, 2007 10:29 AM

auntbea [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 10, 2007 09:42 AM I agree with your comments that government assistance helps the poor. This is further subtraction from middle class wages at the 1973 level. We are borrowing to support the poor, many immigrants. That borrowing is ultimately coming out of our retirement and our safety net. Not to mention ER's that drop specialists because of requirements to treat the poor. That means if you go there and needed that specialist, you die in some cases.

Posted by: Old Atlantic at May 10, 2007 10:33 AM

Lower wages, shorter lifetimes data

"Mortality, Education, Income, and Inequality among American Cohorts"

Angus Deaton
Christina Paxson

"People whose family income was less than $5,000 in 1980 could expect to live about 25 percent fewer years than people whose family income was greater than $50,000."

The Senate is in jihad against middle class wages. The Senate jihad against wages by immigration has also lowered our lifespan. The Senate jihad on wages by immigration kills more Americans than the Senate's jihad against Americans by importing Muslim jihadis to kill us directly. The indirect killing by lower lifespans kills far more than the Fort Dix type, at least for now.

Posted by: Old Atlantic at May 10, 2007 10:42 AM

@ auntbea

Please do not pay attention to someone like Morggan S. She is master in semitruth which in turn are worst than any lies.I can only give you a glimpse on her histerical lies :
'Now, the War in Iraq was a mistake, but the list above tells you who your friends.And how come Albania, Azerbaijan (94% Muslim),Bosnia-Herzegovina, Kazakhstan (47% Muslim, highest % of any religion) are in there helping us FIGHT JIHAD and the Serbs aren't???'
recomending you my first post on previoust thread. And beside I can tell you that Serbs try to contibute antijihad activities in Iraq back than in 1991, when Serbian radical party held a meeting in a front of American embassy offering the several hundred volunteers to help americans in first gulf war and, explicitly stated then 'fight against global jihad'. Or, to mention offer from 2003 to send 1000 soldiers to Avganistan by former PM Zoran Zivkovic (for which you can find Wesley Clarke attitude at http://www.naac.org/pr/2003/11-14-03.html).
Oh, yes, I almost slipped bosnia.Although its a news from about 6 hours ago, and its on bosnian site (http://www.24sata.info/5624), it says: among 20000 wahabbies there are at least 100 professional terrorist.
I have not time to translate You the whole article, but if doesnt appeared soon, Ill be glad to. At least you can see on a page a picture of Morgaane Sinclair average moderate bosnian muslim

Posted by: plava_legija at May 10, 2007 10:49 AM

see the differance between the real refugees we let in and these so called muslim refugees? Real refugees like Vietnamese, Africans, Irish, Europeans, Jews, worked hard to make life in this country and contribute to america. These muslim refugees know only how to rip off our systems and to plan terrorists attacks against our country.

Posted by: desidude at May 10, 2007 10:53 AM

@ auntbea

n.n: small correction for hyper link:
http://www.naac.org/pr/2003/11-14-03.html

Posted by: plava_legija at May 10, 2007 10:53 AM

Did immigration cause productivity to go up? No. Productivity was going up from 1947 onwards. If you draw a straight line from 1947 to 2004 its close to the graph anyhow.

The slowdown in productivity growth started in 1973, 8 years after the 1965 Immigration Act.

"The consensus among most economists is that there is no one factor that accounts for that productivity slowdown, but rather that it was the result of a series of different influences that each made a modest contribution and happened to occur at about the same time."

"Among the factors that are likely to have played some role are increased safety and environmental regulation, reduced investment in productive equipment, and demographic changes , along with a number of other developments."

Demographic changes is code words for immigration. They are not even allowed to say it.

From:

Productivity Graph and analysis

So we had 2.7 percent productivity growth before immigration. Immigration brought down productivity growth, it didn't increase it. Moreover, before the 1965 Immigration Act, wages went up with productivity. We got all our increased productivity. That's our work. After the 1965 Immigration Act, the rich Senator's got our productivity increases in their stock portfolio.

Men's median wages stopped growing completely in 1973. Zero growth in wages while productivity goes up substantially shows that markets are undercutting workers.

The income inequality graph proves this as well. The top 1 percent got 20 percent before immigration restriction in the 1920's, they
got 10 percent during restriction up to the 1965 Immigration Act, and now they are back to 20 percent. This shows its immigration that
is driving this redistribution from those who create income to those who control income distribution by controlling immigration.
Wealth inequality has become even worse than income inequality.

Posted by: Old Atlantic at May 10, 2007 10:59 AM

Iranian-backed Hezbollah builds bases in South America

Posted by: Foehammer at May 10, 2007 11:01 AM

MACEDONIAN ALBANIAN DUKA FAMILY CONDEMN ATTACKS:

Family of Macedonian Albanians in US Terror Plot Shocked

10 05 2007 Debar_ Family members of three Macedonian Albanians accused of plotting a terrorist attack against the Fort Dix barracks in United States said Friday they were shocked by the news.

Dritan, Sahin and Elvir Duka, the three Albanians arrested on Monday for plotting an attack on a military base, are all from the village of Spas, near the town of Debar, a predominantly ethnic Albanian town close to the border with Albania. The brothers left Macedonia 22 years ago and never came back.

Elez Duka, a cousin of the three, who owns an internet café in Debar, told Balkan Insight that "what has happened is unacceptable”. ”We are a family that has never had any problems," he said. >B>"If this is true, nobody could support them for what they did."

Naze Duka, the grandmother of the three brothers, visited them in the US in October 2006. "They were working non stop and were coming home after work. I cannot believe they have done something like this - America is feeding us," she said.

The mayor of Debar has also said he was dismayed after he saw reports. "We live from the support of our immigrants. Almost every family has the US flag next to the Albanian flag. There are some 15,000 local people in America," Argtim Fida told Balkan Insight.

While yesterday Pristina officials and NGOs rushed to condemn the alleged plot and express Albanian loyalty to the US, Skopje officials seemed unruffled by the fact that three of the suspected terrorists were from Macedonia.

"Macedonia stays firmly on course in the global war against terror. We strongly condemn this act as well as all acts of terrorsim," government spokesperson Ivica Bocevski told Balkan Insight. Macedonia is an US ally with troops deployed in Afghanistan and Iraq.

"We condemn terrorist plots against the US which has proven to be the biggest partner of the Albanians. We hope this case will be treated as an isolated one, and will not create a negative image of Albanians in Macedonia. We do not expect that this will affect Macedonia`s relations with the US as, at the end of the day, we are talking about members of one family that did not live here for a long time," Ermira Mehmeti, spokesperson for the Albanian opposition party, the Democratic Union for Integration, told Balkan Insight.

Posted by: Morgaan Sinclair at May 10, 2007 11:06 AM

As this website illustrates on a day to day basis, a lot of global violence is best explained through the framework of Jihad-on-Infidel attacks. It is amazing how so many stories can accurately be summarized as Muslims attacking infidels or pure Muslims attacking less orthodox Muslims.

The fighting that occurred in the Balkans is a bit more complicated. Although the fighting may have included a substantial Jihad component, there were non-Jihad elements in play as well. For example, the Serbs were also fighting the Croats--a conflict without a Jihad element to it.

Posted by: JSobieski at May 10, 2007 11:14 AM

"when arriving in the United States as a refugee from Kosovo,"

Just another indication that we backed the wrong side in the former Yugoslavia. Milosevic knew what islam meant for his country.

Seems to me, the guy that shot up the mall in Salt Lake was an ungratful muslim refugee from that area too.

Posted by: walterc at May 10, 2007 11:59 AM

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Posted by: Old Atlantic at May 10, 2007 12:02 PM

It is funny that Macedonian government is expected to "condemn" these terrorists when they (Macedonians) are victims of these same Greater-Albanian jihadists. Macedonians are Christians and they suffer in west of their country like Christians in Kosovo. After battle of Kosovo is over, Macedonia is next target.

Posted by: LazarOfSerbia at May 10, 2007 12:06 PM

New Jersey is simply the latest place... we have many others:

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/stlouiscitycounty/story/C007636E30673D1D862572CF000E919F?OpenDocument

FYI - they are in the United States and mean to do us harm.

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at May 10, 2007 12:47 PM

It has occurred to me that some of you misunderstood my post about M. Sinclair.
That last line should have been in quotes, it was hers, not mine.
I was being sarcastic and making fun of someone who is constantly reminding us of how informed she is.
I almost spit my lunch all over the computer when I saw the line 'Moderate Muslims' used here in seriousness as if she were talking to the uninformed masses.

Old Atlantic; I am as against completely un moderated immigration as anyone. I have been reading 'The Beast on the East River' and the part on education brought out things that have been at the back of my mind but not clear thoughts for many years now.
In a way it is like reading in the newspaper about a guy who has asked you out on a date several times but a tickle in the back of your mind made you say no and the newspaper article is about him being arrested for multiple rapes. Some times they do seem like nice guys.
But what I am talking about here is the deliberate dumbing-down of our youth for over 35 years and indoctrinating them with this we are all equal crap.
I have firmly denied the doctrine that we are all only as good as the lowest common denominator for many years and it has not made me popular with many people.
I have been a small business woman for most of my adult life and have noticed the ability, desire, and drive to produce has dropped so very drastically in the past 25 years. It is scary what passes for common sense today. With children under 15 it's like they have NO self esteem or even a slight sense of self. They are like robots with all their brains shop-vac out of their heads.
When I read about how long Muslim organisations have been infiltrating our governing bodies it begins to make sense. The more moronic we are the more we will accept this cult as A-OK.

Posted by: auntbea at May 10, 2007 1:50 PM

"I have firmly denied the doctrine that we are all only as good as the lowest common denominator for many years and it has not made me popular with many people."

Perfect phrase.

"I have been a small business woman for most of my adult life and have noticed the ability, desire, and drive to produce has dropped so very drastically in the past 25 years."

The solution for McCain Kennedy and now Flake Gutierrez is more of what did this.

Posted by: Old Atlantic at May 10, 2007 2:31 PM

I have no problem listening to people of completely opposite convictions. But Morgaan is paste spamming each Fort Dix thread with the exact same stuff. She doesn't actually write much at all. This is abuse of my middle finger trying to scroll though so much spam. Why doesn't she just provide a link and if we want, we'll read, and leave my middle finger alone?

Posted by: SerbInfidel at May 10, 2007 6:06 PM

A Quick question for fellow Jihad Watchers:

If 10 "Yuuts" were videotaped practicing their skills with AK47s and M16s, shouting allahu Akbaru on the misguided videotape dropped off to be dubbed, why did the FBI claim they were "preparing" to purchase weapons for their "sudden jihad syndrome" at Ft Dix? What became of the four still on the loose, and of the weapons they were tapped practicing with?
Ok, that's two questions....
Muhammad (cbuh) must be very embarassed today regarding the stupid 6.

Posted by: jhl952 at May 10, 2007 6:45 PM

From the article:

Three were roofers, one drove a cab, and the two others worked at food businesses.

Has anyone investigated where these 6 youths were able to raise the funding necessary to buy AK-47's, M-16's, and other "heavy weaponry", while working at a pizzeria or other unskilled labor jobs? I remember it being hard just to find money for gas, car insurance, and other necessities. AK-47's were way outside the budget. Was someone helping these youths?

Posted by: special_guest at May 10, 2007 7:07 PM

"...just in time."?
2 months (target date) is a little more than that, but...oooook, whatever works.

Posted by: jcom972 at May 10, 2007 7:45 PM

Type away, Morgaan. Your taqyiia only serves to alert more people to the evil that is Islam. Due to the influence of uncle mo, Albania was, is, and will continue be a cesspool- a breeding ground for murderers and pedophile worshipers.

Keep Albanian inflence away from our civilization.

Posted by: Charles Bogle at May 10, 2007 9:15 PM

White al queda in the US?
http://www.adnki.com/index_2Level_English.php?cat=Terrorism&loid=8.0.412776154&par=0

Posted by: interestinconundrum at May 10, 2007 9:42 PM

Cannot get out of the habit of u after q.

Posted by: interestinconundrum at May 10, 2007 9:43 PM

http://www.adnki.com/index_2Level_English.php?cat=Terrorism&loid=8.0.412995281&par=0

Posted by: interestinconundrum at May 10, 2007 9:49 PM

Morgaan Sinclair
You say you are erudite & presumably of reasonable intelligience so how could you ask such a stupid question as "WHY AREN'T SERBS FIGHTING BESIDE AMERICANS IN IRAQ?"
My dear gal-Serbs can get their butts shot off[and worse] any day of the week by those lovely,'peaceful' Kosovar Albanians whom you are so keen to establish an Islamist State. Same with
Roma & Christian Albanians-why don't you read what they have to SAY about your friends-understand Roma have a petition before the U.N
protesting every crime which includes torture & murder by these aimable Kosovars...
Also there are plenty of Jihadists left in Bosnia
to do beheading in the name of 'ALLAH,THE MERCIFUL & COMPASSIONATE".No need to go to bloody Iraq.
If someone had BOMBED me & mine with Uranium depleted hardware,LIED AND DEMONIZED MY STRUGGLE
TO SURVIVE-would have told them to f**k off and that no help would be forthcoming UNTIL HELL FREEZES OVER!
What a silly woman you are.AuntBea rightly remarks how strange that you,a supposed Professional finds it so difficult to string a couple of ORIGINAL WORDS TOGETHER LET ALONE SENTENCES, when we have many Posters who can do
much better even if English isn't their first
language...

Posted by: Morgane at May 11, 2007 1:54 AM

Morgane is on fire! You go girl!! LOL!

Posted by: champ at May 11, 2007 2:11 AM