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This one, "Local Muslims Fear Backlash Following Terror Plot," is by Cydney Long for Philadelphia's CBS3.com (thanks to all who sent this in). Let's see -- have we touched all the bases? Muslims shocked by terror charges? Check. The jihadists don't represent all Muslims? Check. Islam is a religion of peace? Check. Qur'an good? Check. If you blame the religion you're blaming all Muslims? Check. Good, Cydney! You get an A+ for this one!
(CBS 3) VORHEES, N.J. Muslims in the region are bracing themselves for a possible backlash in response to the terror plot arrests.
Why? Have they received threats? None are reported in this story. Has there been a backlash against Muslims after any other jihadists were arrested? No -- Americans are decent, fair-minded people who don't persecute the innocent, to the extent that CAIR's Nihad Awad has to exhort Muslims to play the victim game more effectively, and CAIR has to trump up hate crimes.
And for many Muslims, news of the arrests comes as a surprise."It shocks me, it shocks me," Rahman said.
Zia Rahman, a Voorhees Mosque trustee and head of the Muslim-American community association fears Muslims could encounter bias or backlash following arrests in the alleged terror plot, but says the actions of six men are not representative of 1.2 billion Muslims worldwide.
"I hope they are innocent. I'd like to hear that. But if they are not and were really involved in this conspiracy yes, they should be punished," Rahman said.
Rahman often saw brothers Shain, Dritan and Eljvir Duka during prayer services at the Palmyra mosque. But said seeing their faces on TV, under arrest for allegedly plotting to kill soldiers at Fort Dix caught him off entirely off guard.
"This is the last. It would not even come in my imagination, pleasant, polite, very humble," Rahman said.
Rahman stressed the behavior the suspects must be separated from the religion of Islam itself. The word Islam means 'Peace'.
In reality, no. It means "submission." Is Rahman ignorant, or is he just playing Cydney Long for a patsy? Unclear.
"Religion itself is full of peace. It teaches peace and these people are doing quite the opposite of that. It's totally condemned," Rahman said.
Of course, in this Rahman does nothing to explain how these jihadists could have gotten the idea that what they were doing was religiously mandated, and what he and his peaceful cohorts were doing to make sure this sort of thing didn't happen again.
Rahman read from his Qur'an in Arabic and again in English reciting what Muslims pray for five times each day."For guidance, for guidance. Yes, all the time," Rahman said.
Rahman also reminds the public to truly understand Islam.
"We can not blame the religion. If we do, we blame the people who practice the religion," Rahman said.
That doesn't follow at all. If some people commit violence and justify it by reference to Islamic texts and teachings, it becomes a simple question of fact as to whether those teachings actually exist, and whether or not the violent people were interpreting them properly or not. But if they were, it doesn't say anything at all about other Muslims, who may not know, or not care, or in some cases actively reject, those same teachings.
Posted by Robert at May 10, 2007 1:11 PM
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Keep it up. Exactly this.
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at May 10, 2007 1:32 PM
"We can not blame the religion. If we do, we blame the people who practice the religion," Rahman said.
Well, Rahman, here's the long and short of it:
I blame Islam and I blame the people who practice Islam.
Oh, and by the way:
I also blame anybody who aid and abets Muslmin immigration to the USA.
at May 10, 2007 1:33 PM
"Rahman often saw brothers Shain, Dritan and Eljvir Duka during prayer services at the Palmyra mosque. But said seeing their faces on TV, under arrest for allegedly plotting to kill soldiers at Fort Dix caught him off entirely off guard."
....evidently he failed to teach them peace....oh, wait a minute, what do crazed, bearded finger pointing Islamic clerics preach....
Posted by: exsgtbrown at May 10, 2007 1:34 PM
What?!! A+?!!! What is with this *grade inflation*, Robert?!! Especially when there was no mention of the State of Israel...I mean, c'mon. (Do you need to read more Canadian press stories? -- believe me, it was all a conspiracy by the CIA combined with Mossad -- yeah, that's it -- no wait, they's been framed, framed, I tell ya! Just talk to their lawyers.)
Posted by: J.S. at May 10, 2007 1:34 PM
RS, nice write-up
Posted by: joeblough at May 10, 2007 1:37 PM
Rahman also reminds the public to truly understand Islam.Rahman
Be careful what you ask for - you may get it.
Posted by: Infidel Pride at May 10, 2007 1:39 PM
They, Muslims, certainly do love to play the Victim card, don't they?
Agree with you Infidel Pride - We DO "truly understand Islam" which is why JW and DW etc exist!
Posted by: darcy at May 10, 2007 1:44 PM
2:10 Disbelievers are diseased.
2:99 Disbelievers are evil people.
2:104 For disbelievers is a painful doom.
2:171 Disbelievers are deaf, dumb, and blind.
3:28 Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference of believers.
3:73 Don't believe anyone who is not a Muslim.
3:48 Don't be friends with non-Muslims. They all hate you and want to ruin you.
4:89 Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them.
4:63 Oppose those who refuse to follow Muhammad.
4:101The disbelievers are an open enemy to you.
4:144 Do not choose disbelievers as friends.
5:51 Don't take Jews or Christians for friends. If you do, then Allah will consider you to be one of them.
5:51 Jews and Christians are losers.
5:60 Allah turned unbelievers into apes and swine.
5:59 Jews and Christians are evil people.
5:57 Don't choose Jews, Christians, or disbelievers as guardians.
6:106 Stay away from disbelievers.
8:55 The worst beasts in Allah's sight are the disbelievers.
9:5 Slay the disbelievers wherever you find them.
9:28 Disbelievers are unclean.
9:30 Christians and Jews are perverts. Allah himself fights against them.
The story is getting old. People are catching on.
at May 10, 2007 1:46 PM
"Religion itself is full of peace. It teaches peace ..."
Yep, that's how the mid-East and North Africa became Islamic - they held a lot of seminars handing out free peaceful Korans.
Posted by: FM at May 10, 2007 1:48 PM
People are SO catching on. I believe the tide is turning a bit from political correctness.
Posted by: darcy at May 10, 2007 1:53 PM
"....But if they are not and were really involved in this conspiracy yes, they should be punished," Rahman said.
Punished according to what? Man-made, infidel laws? Or sharia? Surely, Rahman has to believe one is better than the other. So pray tell, how would sharia handle these six? Enquring minds want to know....
Rahman also reminds the public to truly understand Islam.
Reminding the public to "truly understand Islam" should take a back seat to reminding his 6 wayward brethren to understand it, if Islam is all about the peace that Rahman claims. Alas, it appears that with regards to these 6, it's a job that Rahman and his colleagues have failed in.
Posted by: yadayada at May 10, 2007 2:03 PM
Muslims in the region are bracing themselves for a possible backlash in response to the terror plot arrests.
From the article
What was that movie where the little girl gets taken over by the bad spirits from the graveyard under her folks new house?
There was a line where she looks up and says 'THEY'RE HERE'.
Well Mr. Rahman and Sydney with a C.
It's HERE already, the backlash.
The funny thing it is not what you expected. No violence, riots or mosque burnings. Just quiet decent Americans finding out the TRUTH.
And all you can do is call us bigots. You know, not all Americans get into a fetal position and have their brains turn into cream cheese at that word. Some of us know better.
We are so sorry to disappoint you. We know that nothing would warm the cockles of your heart more that VIOLENCE against your Religion Of Peace.
at May 10, 2007 2:09 PM
I am shocked, SHOCKED that terrorist activites are being planned in this country by Muslims!!!!!
at May 10, 2007 2:09 PM
I'm afraid of being judged, so I'm going to play the 'woman' card before you do!
(swooning in process...)
Posted by: kafir_kelbeh at May 10, 2007 2:11 PM
MARTIN LUTHER: These 95 Theses, by questioning the Christian Faith, has hereby indicted ALL Christians throughout this flat planet! If you don't like it, come and find me!
puhleese.
Posted by: kafir_kelbeh at May 10, 2007 2:15 PM
"I love the excitement of tackling a new topic a new story each day, by air time knowing all that you can about that topic."
Source: CBS3's Bio on Cydney Long when asked Why I became a journalist.
Well Cydney, you certainly don't practice what you preach. There is no critical analysis of this topic in the article, in fact there isn't even one question addressed to the interviewee. Just a nice platform for muslim propaganda.
Cydney Long, the New Jersy dhimmi.
Posted by: William The Crusader at May 10, 2007 2:17 PM
My observation...NO Americans running rampant in the streets, no burning of Muslim effigies, no burning Islamic flags, no overturning of cars, no looting of businesses, no stone throwing youths, no fists waving in the air, no signs filled with hate slogans, no repetitive slogan chanting/screaming, no criminally bad behavior, no kidnappings....in fact, it appears the Americans are quietly acting....and it just may be the quiet ones the Muslims should be wary of...
Posted by: exsgtbrown at May 10, 2007 2:18 PM
Being Muslim means Never Having to say You're Sorry
Relatives in the ethnic Albanian-populated town of 15,000 said they had not seen the brothers in more than two decades, but expressed disbelief Wednesday that the three would attack the United States.
We all have been supporters of America. We were always thankful to America for its support during the wars in Kosovo and Macedonia," a cousin, Elez Duka, 29, told The Associated Press.
"These are simple, ordinary people and they've got nothing to do with terrorism. I expect their release and I expect an apology," he said, waving his hands. "I see injustice. These are ridiculous charges."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070509/ap_on_re_eu/fort_dix_balkans
at May 10, 2007 2:19 PM
Cue standard "Muslims fear backlash, deplore terrorism" story
Eventually Muslims are going to figure out that the the Jihadists and the clerics who support Jihad are their problem. They are still in denial. Deception, self-deception is deep rooted in this "religion".
at May 10, 2007 2:26 PM
More Conspiracies. Remember this Oldie but Goodie?
A Jewish conspiracy lurks behind the cat-and-mouse cartoon Tom and Jerry, according to an adviser to Iran's culture minister.
"If you study European history," Professor Hasan Bolkhari told an Iranian television audience in February, "you will see who was the main power to hoard money and wealth, in the 19th century. In most cases, it is the Jews. Perhaps that was one of the reasons which caused Hitler to begin the anti-Semitic trend, and then the extensive propaganda about the crematoria began ... The Jews were degraded and termed 'dirty mice'. Tom and Jerry was made in order to change the Europeans' perception of mice. One of terms used was 'dirty mice'.
"The mouse is very clever and smart," Bolkhari went on. "Everything he does is so cute. He kicks the poor cat's ass. Yet this cruelty does not make you despise the mouse. He looks so nice, and he is so clever ... This is exactly why some say it was meant to erase this image of mice from the minds of European children, and to show that the mouse is not dirty and has these traits."
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/HD04Ak02.html
Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at May 10, 2007 2:29 PM
"Rahman also reminds the public to truly understand Islam."
Well Rahman, I do think the American public is starting to understand.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at May 10, 2007 2:31 PM
PS: For previous posting, sarc.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at May 10, 2007 2:32 PM
Cydneeee: "I love the excitement of tackling a new topic a new story each day, by air time knowing all that you can about that topic."
Journalism for Dummies.
Posted by: kafir_kelbeh at May 10, 2007 2:34 PM
"They, Muslims, certainly do love to play the Victim card, don't they?"
And the ever-favorite: Self-Victimization for Dummies.
Posted by: kafir_kelbeh at May 10, 2007 2:36 PM
"Relatives in the ethnic Albanian-populated town of 15,000 said they had not seen the brothers in more than two decades, but expressed disbelief Wednesday that the three would attack the United States."
...oh, the old "They are good boys" routine and obviously their desire to slay infidels is something taken "out of context."
Posted by: exsgtbrown at May 10, 2007 2:39 PM
My observation...NO Americans running rampant in the streets, no burning of Muslim effigies, no burning Islamic flags, no overturning of cars, no looting of businesses, no stone throwing youths, no fists waving in the air, no signs filled with hate slogans, no repetitive slogan chanting/screaming, no criminally bad behavior, no kidnappings....in fact, it appears the Americans are quietly acting....
Quite peaceful, those Americans, eh? What religions do they subscribe to that makes them so, I wonder....?
Posted by: yadayada at May 10, 2007 2:42 PM
Just one time, somewhere, anywhere, it would be nice to see some tiny figment of this mythical "backlash" we constantly hear of. We would at least know that America is not comatose.
Instead, we are forced to wait until this parasitic disease murders millions of Americans, and then there might at last be a real backlash, and an ugly one, indeed.
Posted by: Infidel33 at May 10, 2007 2:50 PM
" We would at least know that America is not comatose."
Posted by: Infidel33
....it is disgusting, Muslims can protest in our streets and nothing happens...if you go on the streets, protest, carry signs,fly the American flag, chant, burn Islamic flags, or otherwise show contempt for Islam...you just may be arrested and jailed..
due to over pollution of Political Correctness, America is almost comatose, America is clearly nearing blindess and is apparently afflicted with Alheimers disease.....
at May 10, 2007 3:07 PM
"This is the last. It would not even come in my imagination, pleasant, polite, very humble," Rahman said.
Rahman stressed the behavior the suspects must be separated from the religion of Islam itself. The word Islam means 'Peace'.
This story should have come with a bucket. I think I need to vomit.
at May 10, 2007 3:09 PM
Islam-religion of victims. They never do anything bad to anyone but everyone always picks on them. Boo hoo!
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at May 10, 2007 3:09 PM
"Rahman also reminds the public to truly understand Islam."
Well Rahman, I do think the American public is starting to understand.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at May 10, 2007 02:31 PM
What a mouthful of truth.
at May 10, 2007 3:10 PM
I heard a Muslim on one of these "fear of backlash" reports say:
"Violence and killing is the last thing that the Islam teaches!"
I was glad to know the sequence, at least.
I wonder what the first thing Islam teaches?
How to deflect serious attention?
Posted by: profitsbeard at May 10, 2007 3:13 PM
Is anyone else thinking that saying Islam is not to be held responsible for what it teaches is akin to saying Nazism isn't reflected in the crimes of the Third Reich?
Posted by: desertdawg29palms at May 10, 2007 3:15 PM
Just one time, somewhere, anywhere, it would be nice to see some tiny figment of this mythical "backlash" we constantly hear of. We would at least know that America is not comatose.
Instead, we are forced to wait until this parasitic disease murders millions of Americans, and then there might at last be a real backlash, and an ugly one, indeed.
Posted by: Infidel33
agreed - when the backlash comes it will be nasty and the result of a serious loss of US Citizen's lives. But unless the trends in place change I think we'll eventually get to the 'backlash' and by that time the boys who cried wolf all along will be consumed by wolves.
I've personally put the riot gun back into my van again. I hope I never have to use it in anger.
Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at May 10, 2007 3:20 PM
"I hope they are innocent. I'd like to hear that. But if they are not and were really involved in this conspiracy yes, they should be punished,"
That is a strange thing for Rahman to hope for. Most Americans are glad these men were caught and hope others will be caught before they can committ acts of jihadist violence. And what hell does "they should be punished" mean? Jail? Community Service? Fine?
I think Rahman really wishes his friends from the mosque had not been caught.
Posted by: irish_infidel at May 10, 2007 3:24 PM
Yessir! We'll have to look at that!"
Yaser El-Menshawy, chairman of the Majlis Ash-Shura of New Jersey, said the motivation of people who plot against the government “cannot be stopped simply by law enforcement or military means alone. He said U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East, needs to be examined.
“We are going to have to take a look at it and see where we are right and where we are not right,” El-Menshawy said. “If that’s not the case, then I fear we are in for a very long and difficult period.”
=============
Conclusion:
Unless we intend to bring our foreign policy into congruence with the wishes of the Muhammadans we can expect a long and difficult and violent process.
at May 10, 2007 3:24 PM
"Arab means never having to say you're sorry." - Nonie Darwish, Egyptian Writer, author of the book, "Now They Call me Infidel," was Muslim, now Christian, lives in the U.S.
Posted by: darcy at May 10, 2007 3:28 PM
America is comatose. God will awaken us when he is fed up with our cowardice.
Posted by: Crusader at May 10, 2007 3:29 PM
"Just one time, somewhere, anywhere, it would be nice to see some tiny figment of this mythical "backlash" we constantly hear of. We would at least know that America is not comatose."
Um...Infidel33...I think we're it.
So far, this is the backlash.
at May 10, 2007 3:30 PM
"Rahman stressed the behavior the suspects must be separated from the religion of Islam itself. The word Islam means 'Peace'.
In reality, no. It means "submission." Is Rahman ignorant, or is he just playing Cydney Long for a patsy? Unclear."
But President Bush, our Decider-Leader, also says Islam means peace. Why would he lie? Who is a good Republican to believe? Quite a pickle.
Posted by: Charles Bogle at May 10, 2007 3:33 PM
"Religion itself is full of peace. It teaches peace and these people are doing quite the opposite of that. It's totally condemned," Rahman said.
Rahman is a Muslim? Has he even read the Qur'an?
Muhammad's life can be divided into two parts -- the tolerant years in Mecca and the aggressive years in Medina. The Qur'an reflects those two parts, and that is why at times someone will point out a teaching in the Qur'an that seems to indicate that Islam teaches its adherents to live at peace with their enemies.
When Muhammad began to preach his revelations from Allah to the people, he believed that a peaceful religion was a good strategy for attracting people, especially the Jewish people, to the teachings of Islam.
When Muhammad saw that his attempts to win over the Jews through peaceful coexistence were not successful, he "launched a new strategy, a strategy based on power. This is when he declared jihad (holy war) and went out to convert nonbelievers to Islam by the sword."
Muslims today are taught to interrupt the Qur'an through a principle of progressive revelation known as 'nasikh'. Any contradiction in the Qur'an is solved by using the newest revelation. If anyone denies the continuing revelation of Allah to Muhammad, they are denying Islam itself.
In summary -- Rahman is living in the past, and the peaceful days are over folks.
at May 10, 2007 3:35 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070509/ap_on_re_eu/fort_dix_balkans
Kosovo Prime Minister Agim Ceku wrote a letter to the U.S. mission in Pristina on Wednesday expressing the "extraordinary feeling that Kosovo's people have for the U.S." Ceku also denounced what he called "the disgusting idea" that Albanians could be involved in an attack "against a nation that has been very generous so far."
Why are Albanians somehow superior to other people's. The "so far" certainly sticks out at the end of the quote. The Kosovo PM is keeping consistent with Islamic law which states there can be no PERMANENT peace with an infidel state.
Posted by: irish_infidel at May 10, 2007 3:35 PM
Muslim attitudes are that they continue on their path of agression, Jihad, subjugating or massacering Infidels at their mercy, but NEVER, NEVER apologise, as that would be an admission that the Koran/Hadiths are wrong- even in the tiniest detail.
So I dont think we will ever get an apology from Muslims for the genocides that they have done through the centuries, as that would bring down the house of cards.
Islam means never having to say you're sorry.
Posted by: DP111 at May 10, 2007 3:53 PM
"Just one time, somewhere, anywhere, it would be nice to see some tiny figment of this mythical "backlash" we constantly hear of. We would at least know that America is not comatose."
Infidel33,
"Give em hell Harry Truman" said "I dont give anyone hell. I just tell the truth and they think its hell."
Same with Muslims: There's no "backlash". You just tell the truth and they think it's backlash -- or war against Islam.
If there wasn't someone to persecute Muslims, it would be necessary to invent someone.
Their survival depends on it.
at May 10, 2007 4:08 PM
Quite peaceful, those Americans, eh? What religions do they subscribe to that makes them so, I wonder....?
yadayada, the comment wasn't Quite, it was QUIET.
Back to grammar school for you! (...and History class, for that matter.)
The Spanish Inquisition lasted 350 years and resulted in the deaths of 4,000 people.
How about the Islamic 'Inquisition' in Thailand? "What Islamic 'Inquisition' in Thailand?" you ask, not wanting to hear the truth.
Well, you'll get it anyway!
Muslims have been slaughtering Buddhists since January 2004, with the death toll over 2,000 to-date.
That means, in THAILAND ALONE, Muslims will kill the same amount as the Spanish Inquisition in 344 FEWER years.
Islam ≠ Christianity
You can't 'relativize' these 2 religions. Period.
But obviously you've been too busy watching Seinfeld, like, 10 times...
Posted by: kafir_kelbeh at May 10, 2007 4:11 PM
Seems like the muslims are taking seriously the advice to pep up the 'victimization' routines.
I don't know why they worry - they have played 'victim' so often and use 'turnspeak' so often that they have them down pat and it could probably be said that both are a muslim art form now. You won't be a good muslim unless you can do those two things very well. It is so easy to become a muslim, but to be a good one - it takes practice, and also a little jihad thrown in to spice things up.
One day when 'wolf' is cried once too often, no one will take them seriously. Most of us on this board do not, I am talking about even our left wing kooks will ignore them. It seem that the Europeans are starting to wake up. (that was like waking a drunk up from its stupor, and I am still in a 'wait and see' mode even though it appears they are getting a clue)
Posted by: R_not at May 10, 2007 4:12 PM
Postscript:
Oh, and the Spaniards gave you the opportuntity to repent...Thai Buddhists are too busy having their heads separated from their necks to shout "Help!"
Posted by: kafir_kelbeh at May 10, 2007 4:14 PM
Re "Religion of Peace"
See http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/notislam/misconceptions.html
Posted by: Chatillon at May 10, 2007 4:14 PM
Postscript:
Oh, and the Spaniards gave you the opportuntity to repent...Thai Buddhists are too busy having their heads separated from their necks to shout "Help!"
Posted by: kafir_kelbeh at May 10, 2007 4:15 PM
Postscript:
Oh, and the Spaniards gave you the opportuntity to repent...Thai Buddhists are too busy having their heads separated from their necks to shout "Help!"
Posted by: kafir_kelbeh at May 10, 2007 4:15 PM
Oy...d*** button!
Posted by: kafir_kelbeh at May 10, 2007 4:16 PM
I think that the "silent majority" here in America(even the uneducated concerning the cult)are seething with anger ,like a slingshot that is being stretched a little more every time they show their true ugly faces.It is only a matter of time until we reach critical mass,we are not like some other countries(that will remain nameless)that teach and instil pacifism into their kids at a young age.On the same note we teach our children to be fair and good to all people that is the reason we havent done anything outside the law,YET.It realy upsets me that this is the fault of ALL of our leaders and could have been prevented if dealt with early ,but because we havent it will be truly bad for all of us when it does happen,just worse for the cultist devilworshippers of islam.
Posted by: tscipio at May 10, 2007 4:17 PM
Ever hear the saying "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing"?
Inferrence = "Remain Stoopid", right?
That's what everyone thinks...but the saying ends with: "When drinking from the well, drink DEEPLY." (emphasis mine)
That means arming ourselves with knowledge, not the other way around!!!!
Then kick out those "Educated" Illiterates in all our "systems"...Political, Education, et al!!!!
Maybe a little tussle now & then...but only "in defense of family & homeland."
Posted by: kafir_kelbeh at May 10, 2007 4:26 PM
"Their peace is a jihad, because it allows Islam to infiltrate society. Once Islam becomes an accepted part of society, the more extreme jihad forces are able to begin operating. That is the strategy now taking place in Britain, in Europe, and in America! This is war through first wielding “peace”as the weapon of choice, and it is obviously very effective!"
Read it all
http://ezinearticles.com/?Islamic-World-Domination&id=54337
"The majority of Hitlers military where headed by Muslims"
Is that true?
Posted by: Abrog8 at May 10, 2007 4:27 PM
Also from Cydney Long's Channel 3 bio:
...she was an investigative reporter...
I suspect the past tense of that statement is intentional, for she has demonstrated no investigative skill in reporting this puff piece.
BTW: Here's here email for those who would like to politely provide her with the facts.
long@cbs3.com
Posted by: PRCS at May 10, 2007 4:35 PM
islam means submission, not peace. Nothing in their 1400 years has shown us that they are a peaceful lot, starting from the guy who thought this all up to now. Deception, murder, rape, torture, bribery, kidnapping and enslavement are the seven deadly graces that describe islam.
Posted by: R_not at May 10, 2007 4:40 PM
Abrog8 said:
"The majority of Hitlers military where headed by Muslims"
"Is that true?"
NO they were German,Muslims may be great @ hating and will kill you if they have the advantage but I dont think there are many brillaint millitary tacticians among them just hatefull cowards who kill the weak
at May 10, 2007 4:41 PM
I'm starting to catch up.....
http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/gallery/
My apologist friend(next cube)thinks Hitler was just taking advantage of the poor muslims. My enemy is your enemy type thing. Is thier any evidence that Hitler may have been infuenced by Mo?
at May 10, 2007 4:45 PM
(CBS 3) VORHEES, N.J. Muslims in the region are bracing themselves for a possible backlash in response to the terror plot arrests.
What upsetes me the most, is that these regular "MODERATE muslims" do not even feel bad for the "REAL intended Victims" ! Where is the outrage, sympathy for the intended victims! Why don they feel bad for those who would of been killed if that guy in the store did not report those pieces of islmaist filth to the FBI? Why do Muslims always look for the "backlash" is it because they know they deserve a "Backlash" , what they deserve is a good deportation, and death cult to be declared morally bankrupt and illegal to practice.
Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at May 10, 2007 4:45 PM
"...during the spring of 1943, BOSNIAN MUSLIM BATTALIONS in Croatia comprising some TWENTY THOUSAND MEN. These MUSLIM VOLUNTEER units, called Hanjar (Sword), were put in WAFFEN-SS fought Yugoslav partisans in Bosnia, and carried out police and security duties in Hungary. THEY PARTICIPATED IN THE MASSACRE OF CIVILIANS IN BOSNIA and VOLUNTEERED TO JOIN IN THE HUNT FOR JEWS IN CROATIA... "
....yep....
at May 10, 2007 4:50 PM
Abrog8 said
Is thier any evidence that Hitler may have been infuenced by Mo?
Hitler was not a Muslim. Hitler admired Islam. Muslims and Nazis collaborated with each other. The Grand Mufti of "Palestine" was involved in the conception of the Nazi Final Solution. See the following stories for more information:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/007499.php
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/012739.php
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/009910.php
at May 10, 2007 5:06 PM
Rahman:"We can not blame the religion.
(swami...yes we can).
Rahman: If we do, we blame the people who practice the religion,
(swami...yes Rahman, that too).
Guilt by association...Nazi's, Islamics, pigmy headhunters...works for me...
9:30 Christians and Jews are perverts. Allah himself fights against them.
Allah does that kind of stuff when he is bored. He created them, just to fight them, when he nothing better to do on Saturday night.
at May 10, 2007 5:15 PM
From the article:
Muslims in the region are bracing themselves for a possible backlash in response to the terror plot arrests.
Why isn't their reaction "Thank goodness you caught these mis-understanderers! I'm just so relieved they are off the streets! We'll be sure to watch out for any similar mis-understanderers amongst us, and we'll be sure to report any suspicious behaviour! We're all in this together!"
But no, the reaction is to deny, obfuscate, and play the victim. I think, with all their terror at being victimized by us awful and corrupt Westerners, that it's only fair that they live somewhere where the government doesn't arrest terrorists, it supports and trains them. Someplace where the population doesn't have a backlash against terrorists, they name parks and streets after them. Someplace far from here.
Posted by: special_guest at May 10, 2007 5:18 PM
Backlash...you are damn right there is going to be a backlash. Maybe it won't come as a result of the N.J. caper but it will come at some point. I am not...uh.. necessarily hoping for it or wishing it on anyone but Rahman has every reason to fear it and EXPECT it.
Posted by: pismopal at May 10, 2007 5:30 PM
"Muslims in the region are bracing themselves for a possible backlash in response to the terror plot arrests."
Given the recent spate of hate crimes perpetrated in America, Muslims indeed have cause to fear. Will the backlash come as another terrifying ham-steak-in-a-paper-bag attack? Or worse, the ever-frightening bacon-in-a-Koran threat?
Posted by: CJ at May 10, 2007 5:31 PM
Ynkedoodl2
Didnt see your post about "Being Muslim..". What a coincidence.
at May 10, 2007 5:41 PM
I know that this is OT But don't you just love the Danes.
S.I.A.D. (STOP THE ISLAMISATION OF DENMARK PARTY) have now started to collect money to start a court case again those parts of the koran that contravene the Danish Constitution.
This is what they have to say on the English part of there Blogg
The Minster of Justice is breaking the Constitution of the Kingdom of
Denmark Act. (the Danish constitution). We shall now take legal action.
We have now started a collection of money in the whole world in order to take legal action against passages of the Koran, i.e. passages which are contrary to the Danish constitution and the Danish Penal Code.
Having received a refusal of our claim from the Ministry of Justice and having noted that the case worker acted on complete ignorance, as she had not even read the Koran and as she did not know the meaning of the word “hadith”, SIAD forwarded a second claim.
But again we received a short reply from some Jens-Christian Bülow from the Ministry of Justice with the following wording:
By e-mail of March 27, 2007 you have again addressed the Ministry of Justice in order to have passages of the Koran prohibited in Denmark.
The Ministry of Justice refers to an earlier reply of March 7, 2007. Yours faithfully, Jens-Christian Bülow.
Again we see a total negligence of our arguments which are based on the very clearly stated sections of the Danish constitution. We have now opened a bank account where money received on this account will be ear-marked for the trial.
Bank account number: 9860 8890006451
Swift. FIONDK 22
IBAN: D78 9860 8890006451
S.I.A.D. Was started by group of ordinary Danes who had had enough with all the shit that was heaped on them over the Cartoon crisis and decided to fight. They are still a small organization. They do not hid behind Aliases the way we do here Anders Gravers real name is Anders Gravers, his photo is to be seen on the Blogg. They are starting a counter crusade to defend there land. Denmark has a population approximately half the size of New York. The Muslim hoards went for them because they thought that they were an easy victim, how wrong they were now the victim is hitting back. Denmark has fallen once again below the worlds political radar and very little that comes out of Denmark makes news. Did you know that of the two Muslim clerics that started the crisis one is dead and the other one left Denmark complaining bitterly how misunderstood he was by the Danes. No the Danes didn't misunderstand him, he misunderstood the Danes. I know the Danes, and I can assure you if this Crisis had happened 1,000 years ago it would have been over in a few days. Unfortunately it cannot be solved in the good old Viking way. S.I.A.D. Works within in the law and are committed to observing the rule of law only they don't fudge the issue in there case it is Danish Law not Sharia law. They are going for the Islamic Jugular, they see it as a win win situation. If they win muslims in Denmark would have to reassess there attitude to religion and state. It might even give our political Dimmis a bit more Backbone when they realize that if little Denmark can stop Islam in its track perhaps we can do the same. If they lose they also win as this case will get lots of coverage in the media and the pissed off Danes will get a very effective lesson in what is in store for them if islam gets its way. They deserve our support so if you have the odd dollar or Euro to spare after paying the exorbitant petrol prices to pay for the jihad please send it. They will need a lot of money, we all know how greedy lawyers are. If you have a Blogg please post this comment on your Blogg we must spread the word as wide as possible . It would be also very nice if Robert or Hugh would write an article here on Jihad Watch or Dimmi Watch. I will include the E-mail address of S.I.A.D. At the end of this post plus and the links to there blogg both the English section and the Danish section to show that this is not a Con trick. Enjoy the English section they do not mince their words and don't forget to leave a comment. If you can't send them money then please send a message of support they are a small number of Danes who have stuck their neck out to defend us all, they have no police protection. Remember if Europe goes America is in the front line. I am not saying that you are not already, but the Danes are one of your most faithful Allies, they are fighting now side by side with American Soldier in Iraqi and Afghanistan and like you, their sons are also dieing.
Here is the link to the English section of the Blogg
http://siad.wordpress.com/
Here is the link to the Danish section of the blogg
http://www.siad.dk/index.php
Here is the E-mail address
kontakt@siad.dk
at May 10, 2007 5:46 PM
rational posted: "Just one time, somewhere, anywhere, it would be nice to see some tiny figment of this mythical "backlash" we constantly hear of. We would at least know that America is not comatose."
Yes, I too would like to see this backlash that Muslims seem to be in continuous fear of since 9/11. In fact Muslims claim they suffer from backlash every day. Well they should stop bowing down so low, five times a day - no wonder they suffer from backlash.
Posted by: DP111 at May 10, 2007 5:47 PM
Dennis Miller interviews cairs Abrahim Hooper
today ..radio..
http://dennismillerradio.com/programhighlights?pid=1201
Posted by: Madduck at May 10, 2007 5:59 PM
Interesting how the “slave of God” projects his typical thoughts (as all do and always) onto the surrounding world and fully expects the world to react in typical muslim fashion –i.e. with barbaric, uncivilized violence a la 7th century. In this case his idea of a “backlash” –as violence is the only solution the “slaves of God” come up with when confronted with any problem-of their own making or brought upon them by fate.
So – to this particular slave – a violent (to any degree) “backlash” is the expected reaction –as this is how the muslim deals with his world and problems.
As long as the “slaves of God” are going to accuse and condemn the non slaves and non-dhimmis of such behavior (over and over and over again as if they wish to conjure up just such reaction) and as long as their dhimmi enablers (e.g.
See B.S.3’s Cydney – the typical cultural-marxist certified journalist) have already decided that we are guilty – let us give them their desired “backlash”. Start with – 30 days to gather all property, liquidate all assets held in USA or by USA concerns and report to nearest port of departure to board ships bound for any land of fellow “slaves of God”. Cultural marxists and useful idiots of all varieties should be strongly encouraged to join them.
at May 10, 2007 6:06 PM
Robert said
But if they were, it doesn't say anything at all about other Muslims, who may not know, or not care, or in some cases actively reject, those same teachings.
If the core Islamic teachings exhort the followers to commit acts of violence, then that would say something important about the people who accept those teachings into their spiritual lives.
If they are taught that Allah wants them to smite at the infidels' necks wherever they find them, and they still choose Islam as their religion, that says something about them.
If they hear the life story of Muhammad, with his robbing, raping, killing, and they still accept him as the moral role model for all time, how can we be expected to brush that aside as irrelevant?
If they do not know the teachings of Islam, or do not care what the teachings of Islam are, or actively reject the teachings of Islam, are they Muslims? According to the teachings of Islam, I think the answer is clear.
Dore Gold, in "Hatred's Kingdom" (also published by Regnery Publishing), says
Western analysts must delve into the distinction between particular forms of Muslim militancy and the rest of mainstream Islam, so as not to make Islam, as a whole, into a new enemy.
Mr. Gold (wrongly, I think) blames Wahhabism for terrorism, not Islam. Robert, you have gone one step closer, and shown how it is core Islamic beliefs that justify violence. It is not a twisting or hijacking, and it is not just the interpretation of some small sect. Those violent teachings are core beliefs that all Muslims share.
I understand Mr. Gold's (and possibly your) desire to avoid designating all devout Muslims as dangerous to non-Muslims. But unless I have grossly misunderstood the teachings of Islam as written in the Qur'an and the sunnah and hadith, it is not our designating Muslims as dangerous that makes them dangerous. If we irrationally decide to designate them as non-dangerous, that does not make them not dangerous.
Of course, not every Muslim will strap on the bomb-vest and become a shahid; perhaps that is the distinction that is being made. But Allah wills that every able-bodied Muslim be a shahid; it is the guarantee to Islamic paradise. How can we not have suspicions about those people who accept these beliefs?
In a sense, I have to agree with Rahman: if we blame the religion, we have to blame the people who practice the religion. If it is the religion that is making the people commit these acts, then we have to look very closely at the people who choose to follow the religion.
at May 10, 2007 6:11 PM
listening to a. Hooper on Miller..
Hooper sez" he has 5200 hate mails in his inbox
in past 2 weeks..3 or 4 cair reps have had death threats..
,..hooper sez the west has had no problem with islam for past 14oo years.."
at May 10, 2007 6:17 PM
I guess Islam-o-media machine is at it again trying to deny 10-15% of Islam are SELF PROCLAIMED Jihadees. That amount to what??? Roughly 150 million militant Death Cult devotees world wide?
Same old question again...and again...again...and
again...again...and again...again...and again...and again...again...and again...and again...again...and again...again...and again...and again...again...and
again...again...and again...again...and again...and again...again...and again...and again...again...and again...again...and again...and again...again...and
again...again...and again...again...and again...and again...again...and again...and again...again...and again...again...and again...and again...again...and...and x10³
If they "deplore" these terrorists so much, how come there is no UNIFIED - MASSIVE - WORLDWIDE - REVOLT in Islam against "misrepresentations" of the so called peace. The ONLY TIME they deplore it is in the media to save face...in the face of potential public backlash [for their lack of accountability to each other I may add].
But I'm saying nothing new, nothing millions around the globe ask EVERYTIME a terrorist act happens or a plot is stopped.
Posted by: SoteriA at May 10, 2007 6:19 PM
not much else of interest in Miller/ hooper interview..just hooper whining about stereotyping of muslims blah blah.,,
Posted by: Madduck at May 10, 2007 6:20 PM
Moderate Islam is a figment of the imagination of Muslims and those, leftists, dwelling in their netherworld of political-correctness and the Big-Lie. It is obvious this backlash which is spouted throughout mosques and the mass-media is, also, a figment of these same wanks imaginations.
Posted by: ballzack at May 10, 2007 6:21 PM
Denis Miller was soft on hooper boy, but at least told him to put off the whinning about backlash right after a teror plot being uncovered. hooper had typical lies about the peaceful 1400 years of islam. blah blah. and how poverty and israel caused this terrorism... maybe someone can clue in Miller on some good points to bring up. with next hooper whinning interview.
Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at May 10, 2007 7:03 PM
Backlash, my backside... Do you think they make boots high enough to wade through this ... mess?
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Posted by: Chaotic Ramblings at May 10, 2007 7:25 PM
Dennis Miller was soft on Hooper but he did make the point that people are fedup with the whinning from Islam every time Muslims are exposed in another terrorist plot.He also made the point that Muslims have been responsible for most of the terrorist violence over the last 50 years. It would be good if Dennis Miller and other commentators would become better educated about the true nature of Islam and about terrorist apologists like Hooper and CAIR.
Posted by: Roxane at May 10, 2007 7:26 PM
Its time for Muslims to wake from their collective denial. There are numerous polls (shall I note them?) which show that a sizable portion of the Muslim community believes that murdering fellow citizens is a faithful form of political protest. The numbers range from 7-10% in Canada, 20-25% in England and 30-40% in Indonesia. Islamic terrorists are a minority but they are not a fringe element, and Muslims who deny this are either intellectually dishonest or out right liars.
My position is that the Islamic narrative is unstable and lends itself to either the soft Mecca-Mohammad interpretation or the hard Medina-Mohammad interpretation. Their glorious leader was both, however since the issue of abrogation exists within the interpretation the murderous Mecca Mohammad holds more weight. This is especially when a religion is faced with an internal and/or external crisis.
If Muslims are really seekers for God then they must seek the painful truth that something is rotten in Mecca. Yes, I understand that they believe that the Koran is "THE TRUTH" however if that is so, then why do they continually skirt Dr. Spencer's and others questions about their tradition. I've seen this time and time again. If you ask basic questions about Islamic tradition Muslims get angry. I believe that if one has the truth then it will stand.
My favorite experience was when I was challenging a Muslim student at a university about the irrationality and illogic in his faith his only response was "you think too much." Indeed.
Posted by: James Martel at May 10, 2007 7:33 PM
ok I got something for Miller to bring up when hooper is whining about Iraq and Afganistan being underlying causes for terrorism.THEY BOTH OCCURED AFTER SEPTEMBER 11.I was pissed he didnt say that when it was a great oportunity to stick hoopers foot right in his mouth.Like it all fricken started after we invaded those poor peacefull countries.
Posted by: tscipio at May 10, 2007 7:52 PM
How shocked and surprised, expectant even that Muslims seem to be each time their ardent brethren attack us, and we don't annihilate them to the last man woman and child.
I think this is because they know exactly what they would do and how they would respons if the tables were turned.
Who doubts for a moment that the Muslims of the world who burn entire towns, behead little Buddhist girls on their way to school, murder dozens across the globe at fake stories of Koran flushing, rig other schools to blow up on the first day of classes, take hundreds of children hostage in elementary schools on the first day of class, then rig the place to explode, and then hold entire nations hostage while they threaten to begin slaughtering the children, wag their Muslim fingers and quote the Koran, and yell "Allahu Akbar" and make their standard Muslim demands, who doubts for a moment that if the tables were turned, and this newly arrived minority in their Muslim lands behaved in such a manner, that the Muslims in a day, or in a week, would have mopped their nation from border to border with the blood and gore of EVERY person who belonged to that minority -- or was suspected of belonging to that minority -- or suspected of being sympathetic to that minority.
Muslims constantly are surprised, and constantly fear this backlash (which so far has failed to materialize) because they know that they would murder every last one of us in a heartbeat.
And frankly, I'm surprised too that there haven't been backlashes. Very surprised indeed -- surprised and impressed with the maturity of the Western people who continue to remain ourselves despite the spiralling provocations from this most troublesome minority of primitives in our midst.
Our forebearance towards them is saintly. Our reticence to visit upon them the somewhat natural human urge for revenge is a tribute to us and a people -- as a nation.
I don't know how long that will last. Also, frankly, I don't know how long it should.
Posted by: jsla at May 10, 2007 7:55 PM
Ummm, am I the only one to notice yet another "cue" gone backwards?:
They "deplore terrorism" ONLY BECAUSE "they fear backlash"...and everybody knows it. Doing this AFTER the fact only implies empty rhetoric to Americans.
Not gonna fly...nobody's buying it.
at May 10, 2007 7:58 PM
James Martel wrote, "Its time for Muslims to wake from their collective denial."
It isn't the muslims who are sleeping - it is us/infidels who sleep while their numbers increase, slowly and steadily.
Go read some of the archives and there are some that explain taqiyya/kitman in dar al harb (deception in the land of war - any land that is not under sharia law) We all know they are lying because we know that the koran tells them to deceive the infidels and it is ok if it advances islam.
I started with the archives under Hugh's name. There is a lot, and I am still wading through them. Then I plan on reading Robert Spencer's archives.
Our politicians, and a great majority of people who are ignorant of what islam/muslims are all about, will believe their claim of 'victimhood'. It is a common thing that they do when they, or one of theirs, attacks infidels. They do it in Europe, they did it in Lebanon, and I am sure they did it everywhere else that they settle and wait until their numbers increase and then they start their violence.
In Europe the muslim on non-muslim crimes are skyrocketing and there are areas they don't even send in the police due to the dangers. The rapes, and other crimes against women are increasing too. While the crimes against them is almost nil - and yet they claim to be 'victims'.
This happened in lebanon and now several decades later - Lebanon is a crudhole of islamic extremism. They are currently amassing weapons in Lebanon to restart a war against Israel and the muslims in the Gaza are being sent out and trained by the Taliban and Al Qaeda. They probably are lobbing bombs right now into Israel we just don't hear/read about it because until the Israelis strike back - the muslims are not wailing that they are the 'victims' yet. It will start though once the Israelis get tired of being their targets and they fight back. Our left wing media plays right into the muslim's hands and spew the junk that the muslims spew.
A good book on that is 'Because they Hate'.
at May 10, 2007 7:58 PM
They were just nice, quiet, Church of England types. And if they did plot something nefarious, then they must have been reacting to racism. Now, please, let me go back to sleep...
Posted by: jewdog at May 10, 2007 8:03 PM
the muslims in america are pretty passive compared to europe, but once they get their hook in and drive it deeper for more reactions and to test the sleeping american public then we will see great turmoil and civil strife, especially if the democrats get in power.
me i prefer democracy and peaceful rule of law, congress and parliament, we can use our vote to really get people in power that will end this within a year.
but, god, am i pissed!
Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at May 10, 2007 8:10 PM
I am also very Pissed Leon but the most frustrating thing is they have the initiative,we can just hope to react in time or wait for the next plot, something in the equation has to change it cannot go on like this.I am not advocating violence ....but nothing has changed same shit different day keep letting them in when will it end?When will the deportations begin?
Posted by: tscipio at May 10, 2007 8:18 PM
tscipio:
If their next planned assault succeeds, they (and those protecting them, both foreign and domestic) will consider themselves lucky with just "deportation".
Posted by: jcom972 at May 10, 2007 8:22 PM
jcom972:
AMEN to that, I am very impatient for all of this BS to come to a head and let them all reap what they have sown
at May 10, 2007 9:07 PM
"Religion itself is full of peace."
-Rahman
When the "religion" (ideology) is Islam, then what it is full of is not peace.
Posted by: unicorns62000 at May 10, 2007 9:10 PM
If I had to guess, unicorn, it would be that rahman misspelled pl$$. lol
(PS- scipio, you're not the only one...just keep the powder dry, we may need it in about...8 weeks).
Posted by: jcom972 at May 10, 2007 9:23 PM
I'm a progressive Democrat living in Seattle. I'm tired of being "progressive" automatically binds people to being soft on Islamic fundamentalism. So to the right wingers out there, let me say "I'm sorry left wingers are out to lunch on seeing murderers as ok people".
So I've created a series of graphics that depict my liberal+Jihad-Hating stance. They are at
http://www.lancemiller.org/propaganda/
Ok, if you actually like GWB, then I'm sorry the stuff might offend.
But think about it, the left needs to mature to the point that it stands for (let's say) public transportation and unions, but agrees
with Repubs that the GWOT is the right thing to do.
at May 10, 2007 9:55 PM
tscipio ..don;t worry..dennis miller knows a hack from a handsawe..he is trying to get some trust from hooper.. he wants him to return..stay tuned..
Posted by: Madduck at May 10, 2007 11:35 PM
dennis miller is a very well informed anti-dhimmi..let him do his stuff..he is sucking hooper in to a fatal interview..
Posted by: Madduck at May 10, 2007 11:38 PM
dennis will become the menace of hooper,,he is no fool..dennis is setting hooper up..believe it..
Posted by: Madduck at May 10, 2007 11:42 PM
Who is to blame then? Did he say?
Posted by: MZ at May 11, 2007 12:01 AM
Just caught it he said who practice's it.
Posted by: MZ at May 11, 2007 12:03 AM
But think about it, the left needs to mature to the point that it stands for (let's say) public transportation and unions, but agrees
with Repubs that the GWOT is the right thing to do.
Posted by: lancemiller at May 10, 2007 09:55 PM
Good for you lancemiller! Now try to convince your soulmates because they sure won't listen to us. The islamic problem is everybody's problem; it transcends political and religious affiliation and poses a deadly threat to every American citizen. Muslims simply do not belong here because islam is incompatible with everything we are. It is criminal that a bunch of ignorant politicians who don't have the qualifications to be dog-catchers, much less law-makers, allowed them to invade our country and threaten our peace, stability, and security. And in addition to their negligence, stupidity, and ignorance, they continue to dabble in insidious social engineering experiments at our expense, adamantly refusing to admit the disastrous results of their multicultural ventures. Until we elect people willing to represent our best interests, or until the pompous morons in Washington are directly affected by the scourge they have unleashed on the rest of us, it will only get worse. The Democrats, I'm sorry to say, will exacerbate the problem, not remedy it, and I am ashamed to admit that there are more than a few Republicans who are as blind to the islamic problem as the Democrats. The Democrats love identity politics and yearn for another Selma, Little Rock, or any potential racial conflict scenario so they can gain new entitlement voters. The ancestors of the people who founded this country are becoming more marginalized in it every day; it's not our country any more. Our illustrious government has decided that the dozens of competing minority groups and illegal aliens are more worthy of its largesse and our tax dollars than we are. Muslims are at the front of that line.
Our "freedom of religion" clause is a free ticket for muslims to conduct dawa and jihad in the U.S. and our stupid government, in its politically-correct stupor, refuses to acknowledge that islam is a predatory death cult bent on world domination despite abundant evidence to document these facts. All around the world muslims are committing heinous acts of brutal terrorism in the name of their demonic deity, and our benevolent leaders continue to import them by the thousands, still insisting that islam is a "religion of peace". There is nothing more infuriating than to have your intelligence insulted by people who have none.
When the non-existent backlash against muslims does materialize, and it will, maybe the big shots we put in Washington will remember why they are there.
Posted by: Susanp at May 11, 2007 12:41 AM
I heard a Muslim on one of these "fear of backlash" reports say: "Violence and killing is the last thing that the Islam teaches!" I was glad to know the sequence, at least. I wonder what the first thing Islam teaches? How to deflect serious attention? Posted by: profitsbeardprofitsbeard
I'm late to this, but this is priceless - I love the way you parsed this. A home run for the taking!
But if you consider Mohammed's history, what you write is true. Violence and killing was introduced in the Medinan Suras - the Meccan Suras taught Muslims how to lie low until they gain enough power. So here's how it goes:
at May 11, 2007 1:45 AM
lancemiller
For the record, I happen to be a right winger, but I'm willing to consider any Left Wing candidates who are willing to openly state that 'Islam is the enemy'. (And I'm willing to give such a candidate a pass on other Right wing things I believe in - taxes, minimum wages, climate change, Social Security reform, et al.) That would still be consistent with the Liberal mainstream POV of withdrawing from Iraq, but it would have to leave open the option of militarily taking out Iran's nuke sites. In fact, there are very good openings for a Left wing Dem candidate to try and attract crossover votes with such a stand:
With such positions, a Liberal candidate could attract significant crossover votes from the GOP, without losing his own base. I mean, unless someone like McCain is the candidate, what's the pro-Islamic Liberal going to do - vote GOP? Unfortunately, there's no one like it on the Dem side - the closest one might think is Richardson, but I doubt that he has such a clear cut policy. However, if the Dems could come up with a candidate that did all of the others, but was Liberal in other aspects - nationalizing healthcare, hiking taxen, publicly funding abortions, excessive regulating securities et al - they could get a large number of crossover voters who'd hold their nose on these other things.
So Lance, show us such a candidate on the Dem side, and I, for one, will support him, in spite of other differences.
Posted by: Infidel Pride at May 11, 2007 2:18 AM
Kosovo Prime Minister Agim Ceku wrote a letter to the U.S. mission in Pristina on Wednesday expressing the "extraordinary feeling that Kosovo's people have for the U.S." Ceku also denounced what he called "the disgusting idea" that Albanians could be involved in an attack "against a nation that has been very generous so far."
Why are Albanians somehow superior to other people's. The "so far" certainly sticks out at the end of the quote. The Kosovo PM is keeping consistent with Islamic law which states there can be no PERMANENT peace with an infidel state.
Posted by: irish_infidel at May 10, 2007 03:35 PM
GREAT POINT!!!
Here is more about Mr. Ceku:
http://www.savekosovo.org/default.asp?p=6&leader=1&sp=7
Read it all.
Posted by: WallsofByzant at May 11, 2007 4:15 AM
Okay, bullshit over with, it's time to 'fess up.
We, the West, got it oh so wrong, vis a vis the Balkans. BIG TIME F UP . There. Simple as that.
The Serbs, and in particular, the Bosnians Serbs were shouting, screaming, from the rooftops, about the Islamists.
They had no problem with the Muslims who were secular , like Fikret Abdic - Moron Spamf*&ck , inbred Ian or Northf*&kbria don't talk about Abdic because it spoils their hypothesis about Genocide - but the Bosnian Serbs were appalled at Izetbegovich and his ilk who were promoting a very evil creed.
The following is from the Milosevic trial at the ICTY. It's a prosecution witness - A very senior Croat advisor to Tudjman , a Hrvoje Sarinic - who acted as Tudjman's confidential envoy to Milosvic - who is commenting about Slobo's obssession with the rise of Musim fundamentalism in the Balkans.
"So as we left shortly after the meeting, in the plane he said to me, "Here is what Slobo," as he called him, "gave me." And I looked at this piece of paper. It was written in black ballpoint pen, and roughly it said the following, that the Muslims were a major evil. Actually, that one should be cautious about this so-called green, zelena transverzala, going from Turkey, Bulgaria, Western Macedonia, Kosovo and Sandzak, and that this was a major threat for Bosnia and also for peace in the area, that the Muslims had already hung a green flag on Mount Romanija, a mountain close to Sarajevo, and that they wanted an unitary Bosnia and Herzegovina in which they would rule, while the Croats and the Serbs would be minorities"
AND THE FOLLOWING
"I would say that that was the leitmotif of the accused ( Milosevic) generally. And he said to me on one occasion that there were about 2.500 Mujahedin who had come in from other Islamic countries to help their brethren in Bosnia-Herzegovina. And he also told me that the Muslims are a great evil because of their demographic explosion and that it would all cost us a great deal unless we're cautious. So that this fundamentalism, and if we refer to the green tranverzala, the line I mentioned a moment ago, then this can be seen in very vivid form"
The winess - Hrvoje Sarinic - said that Milosevic was so worried about the rise of the Islamists in the Balkans, he would go on about it all the time , hence referring to it as Slobo's leitmotif.
This conversation with Slobo happened a good decade prior to 9 11.
At about the same time, the West was queueing up to see RAMBO 3.
We should hang our heads in shame at the disgraceful treatment meted out to the brave Serbian people.
Posted by: ewha1 at May 11, 2007 4:35 AM
The quotes are from pages 31271 and 31272 of the ICTY trial against Slobo.
http://www.un.org/icty/transe54/040121ED.htm
Posted by: ewha1 at May 11, 2007 4:39 AM
I'm surprised the haven't been backlashes. posted by jala
Maybe there have been and it has been kept quiet.
If they weren't obvious, such as directed towards a mosque, etc. they could have been kept out of the press the same way they try to keep quiet about sudden-jihad stuff.
Islam continues to underestimate American thinking and politics.
The power wielded by any part of our government is awesome and Muslims are playing in a game that is far more complicated than they are capable of grasping.
Even King Kong was pretty docile until he got backed into a corner.
I'm surprised that no one has commented on the timing of this arrest. Do we really believe that after what 16 months these lousy shooters were really going to shoot their way into a US Military Base?
Why didn't, as someone suggest on a talk radio show, they follow them to an already warned base and let them be killed in a shootout?
As for hopes that by backing the democratic nut jobs they are going to get just what they want? They are in for a big surprise there. The dems are in it for the power too.
The are not going to hand over that power to a bunch of barbarians.
I remember what actually happened after Nixon resigned vis a vis the VietNam War. the peaceniks thought they won, but the reality was a much different thing.
Right now the dems are pandering to the left wing kooks to get themselves in power. They did that last year to get control of Congress. But they haven't really done many of the things they promised. As Rush L. says they are still acting as if they are the minority party. Do you think that could be because they really never had any intention of doing those things?
Don't forget that the republicans are still in control of the executive branch until Jan. of 09. An awful lot of things can happen between now and then.
The one thing we can count on is the Islamists in America overplaying their hand at some point. The funny thing is neither your or I, or even the politicians really know where that line of no return is. Until it gets crossed.
But I can tell you one thing it will have to do with money and profit and not the one who speaks for Allah.
I am reminded of Indiana Jones when confronted by the sword wielding Arab, he looks at us with his sheepish grin and shaking his head he pulls out the pistol and shoots him.
PS, Didn't someone die when the Clinton I Presidency was threatened? Oh yeah, that was a suicide.
Posted by: auntbea at May 11, 2007 6:50 AM
For those unaware about Secular Muslim, Fikret Abdic.
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j072001.html
His forces fought with great bravery against the Sarajevo Islamists in NW Bosnia , centered around Bihac. He was a popular figure: by far and away the most liked Muslim in Bosnia. The desertions from so called "Government" lines to his Secular forces were so great that the Sarajevo Islamists were forced to airlift in , directly , Mujahideen in to Bihac to bolster the "Gov't" lines.
Anytime , nutf*&ks like Moron Spamf&6K et al , lecture about the evil Genocidal Serbs, just ask them about Fikret Abdic.
at May 11, 2007 9:16 AM
rational: "If there wasn't someone to persecute Muslims, it would be necessary to invent someone."
That's known as Persucatorial Discretion.
Posted by: kafir_kelbeh at May 11, 2007 1:35 PM
Abuse of that is known as Persecutorial Misconduct.
Posted by: kafir_kelbeh at May 11, 2007 1:36 PM
sorry, bad spelling in first one...whoops!
Posted by: kafir_kelbeh at May 11, 2007 1:37 PM
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