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"...arrest of 172 jihadists looks as if it could be a major coup." -- from Jay's comment here
Why a "major coup"? If the main source of funding, the main Money Weapon, the Mr. Big, of the worldwide Jihad, is Saudi Arabia, why should we consider it a "major coup" to be hailed, presumably, by all of us? It isn't. It's a "major coup" only for the House of Al-Saud. Its 30,000-40,000 corrupt princes, princelings, and princelettes can go about their corruption and spending a bit more easily now. But this will not end the billions spent by Saudi Arabia on mosques and madrasas everywhere in the world, but especially in the West. This will not end the Saudi sums that go to assorted campaigns of Da'wa. This will not end the public-relations and other propaganda campaigns by those hired by the Saudis, to make them, and Islam, look good and to keep lulling the publics of the Western world. This will not end those terrorist attacks anywhere in the Western world.
Similarly, the American enthusiasm for and ballyhoo about the Saudi ability to "de-program" terrorists is absurd. The use of Imams to go into Saudi prisons, and very carefully lead these members of Al Qaeda away from the thought of attacking fellow Muslims -- that is, the ruling family, the Al-Saud, or other Saudis -- is not hard to do. Those imams are trained not to end thoughts of Jihad, but to make sure that the Jihad is always and everywhere conducted against the right enemy, the certified Infidels.
Yet some in the West allow themselves to misunderstand what Saudi "de-programming" means. They even think that if we hire enough imams, or other Muslims, we too can "de-program" would-be terrorists, just the way we think they must do it in Saudi Arabia. (My god, there are so many on the government dole right now, from the assorted informers to all the advisers, to those who appear to have become fashionable minders of generals, that one wonders if, whatever else it has been, the threat of terrorist Jihad has become a permanent and very lucrative source of income for Muslims all over the West.)
No, once again the main point is lost. Once again, the Saudis are able to fool us. Once again, we do not distinguish between their de-programming, which is of no help to us, and our kind -- which would require convincing Muslims to ignore large parts, central parts, of the Qur'an, many of the most "authentic" Hadith, and of course the Sira, the life of Muhammad, uswa hasana, al-insan al-kamil.
The description of the Saudi arrest as a "major coup" implies that somehow we and the Saudis are on the same side. We aren't. They have arrested 172 people who threaten the Al-Saud and their regime. That's it. They continue to finance, in every way ($100 billion over the past few decades), the Jihad against the Infidels, including of course us.
No "major coup" for us. Only for Saudi Arabia. Only for one group of Muslims. That group, which controls the security services of Saudi Arabia, is much richer and more decadent and, in private, more unobservant of the strictures of Islam, than the other group. But both groups support Jihad against the Infidels. And right now, objectively, whatever Saudi resources are deflected to fighting domestic (Saudi or other Arab) enemies, are resources that are not being spent on the Greater Jihad against us -- spent, that is, to spread Islam and to enlarge the number of Muslims embedded deep within the Lands of the Infidels, and to make sure the brand of Islam is the purest and most uncompromising version possible.
It's something, these arrests. But it is not cause for great celebration. Merely for observation, and always asking ourselves, at every step: What exactly is in it for us? In this case, what's in it is the possibility that terrorist attacks within Saudi Arabia will divert still more Saudi resources to monitoring and arresting and imprisoning and "de-programming." The harder it is for the Al-Saud to get a good night's sleep, in Saudi Arabia or in Belgravia or a hotel suite in Monte Carlo or in a yacht off Malaga, the better for us.
That’s all.
Posted by Hugh at May 16, 2007 8:44 AM
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More about the Sowdis here.They are playing everyone off against others.Definitley not to be trusted. Shame about the oil.
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at May 16, 2007 8:53 AM
No doubt about it, but the "free ride" the Saudis have gotten for so long is eventually going to come to a crashing halt -- either from within or without or both. Wahhabism, treachery and greed will find consequence.
Posted by: Foehammer at May 16, 2007 8:55 AM
And where do the Saudis get the money to finance "the Jihad against the Infidels"? Look in a mirror.
You and I finance the jihad everytime we fill up our gas tank.
The "free ride" will never come to an end until we - and our allies - become independent of their oil. Only then will we have the political will to really confront the global jihad.
Posted by: bluezion at May 16, 2007 9:48 AM
Where in the blogosphere is the discussion about how to deal with the petro-jihadi nexus of Saudi Arabia? Its like there are many of us who already acknowledge the threat coming from Saudi Arabia and the vitriol it funds in mosques worldwide. Yet I don't see any serious discussion as to how we can wean our economies off the black stuff, and what the fallout would be for a weaker Saudi Arabia.
Posted by: exfidel at May 16, 2007 10:59 AM
There's a Princelette in the Inlet
There's a princelette in the inlet,
Says his yacht there doesn't fit yet.
I would bet if he asks his sheiklet,
That he'd then make it a sure bet.
Dad would probably buy a dredge set,
So his son wouldn't have to sense fret,
Or even have to dab sweat.
For that he would get a human pet.
at May 16, 2007 11:18 AM
Exfidel:
One place trying to make a difference is
http://setamericafree.org/
They are a coalition of high-profile individuals from the political left and right trying to push energy efficiency: plug-in hybrids, stuff like that.
Then there's http://www.apolloalliance.org/
which wants to go straight to the hydrogen economy.
Can't speak for either one, but they are out there.
Posted by: bluezion at May 16, 2007 11:43 AM
One might consider gasoline being available in the United States to run the economy and to run the nation's military a major accomplishment.
Where were these jihadists flushed from though as they were not trained in Saudi Arabia as no terrorists are. That is the answer to the problem in it makes no difference what Arab princes or princesses spend their money on in debauchery as it is their money gained from their resources.
That though in the balance of trade does matter to companies who employ US citizens who make toys for the idle rich buying golden faucets and not bombs.
As far as anyone in the west being fooled by the Saudi regime, that is non existant. The Saud family knows as much as everyone knows that America will take their oil fields if push comes to shove. The governments though distinguish between a vasal Saudi king working with western interests keeping a lid on the mafia of Saudi families in pacification like North Vietnam retrained the citizens of Saigon to robots and the names of 172 terrorists now on the books along with all the other Saudi funding sources.
What is in it for America is a free flow of oil keeping an economy going so the US does not become 3rd world which is bin Laden's plan.
This could have all been solved by drilling for oil in Alaska, the Gulf and in America along with staying in Iraq and pumping their oil out and busting the oil economy which would have broken Russia and China along with Iran, so no attack on them would be necessary.
Now though with leaving Iraq and terrorists spreading back into Saudi Arabia and the west, all of us will have terrorism, blown up oil fields and prices so high on food and fuel tha no one but the idle rich who have time to post here will be able to afford them.
This is policy in action and the consequences. People do not have to have the Saud's over for dinner, but people had better learn that without them all they have is about to evaporate. They get aways with things most do not for that reason and for the reason they bribed China for America to keep them from overtly going to war with America as they could now be sitting in Iran with 50 million Chicom soldiers keeping their interests safe.
Posted by: Lame Cherry at May 16, 2007 12:08 PM
Lame Cherry:
I don't think drilling Alaska and the Gulf will solve this problem. We need to not only get ourselves off of (Arabian) oil, but our European allies as well. I believe a major reason some Europeans are so strongly pro-Arab is fear, not just fear of jihad, but fear of having their oil cut off as it was in the 1970s. Isn't that B'at Yeor thesis? After the oil crisis the Europeans and Arabs struck a secret deal: the Europeans got guaranteed oil in exchange for accepting large numbers of immigrants with a guarantee they could keep their "culture".
Posted by: bluezion at May 16, 2007 2:10 PM
After the oil crisis the Europeans and Arabs struck a secret deal: the Europeans got guaranteed oil in exchange for accepting large numbers of immigrants with a guarantee they could keep their "culture".
Posted by: bluezion
And now both sides are reaping the rewards of that policy. Europeans are losing their own culture and providing immigrants with all the benefits of modernity and the tools which they will use to destroy their hosts.
at May 16, 2007 3:52 PM
There will be more, too...no matter how many they try to arrest.
As I stated before, I'll be very surprised if the house of saud lasts to the end of the decade at present rate of pace.
Ominous signs of impending outcome...it's only a matter of time...if we get the behind-the-scenes plans into place by that time (and it looks more like it's gonna be a matter of "when", not "if"), we'll be able to hear them scream "Help! what are we gonna do?"
We'll say, "I don't know about YOUR WE part, but WE are leaving...sucks to be you...seeya!"
They've made their bed, we and they know it, and it's starting to come full circle...and the saudis can't deal with it (they're reason #1 for stopping us from taking out saddam the first time around, yes, the royal family stopped us).
What goes around really does come around.
Sucks to be them...lol
at May 16, 2007 6:47 PM
Although I assiduously visit this site, I'm sick of comments insinuating solutions to the Saudi problem or the Islamic problem. I don't believe there is any solution. But there is retribution. Unfortunately, in a country so set against war, and with substantial percentages totally disengaged of the situation, I believe we may be lost already. How do we face our destruction as a civilization so passively? Anybody?
at May 17, 2007 12:05 AM
Only about 350 million more to go!
Posted by: pythagoras at May 17, 2007 3:34 PM
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