Where are the hard data of anti-Muslim behaviour vs anti-Semitic in the US or Europe? We are often told that Muslims are being discriminated against but in reality that Jews are increasingly attacked and persecuted. I can't find the data, and would like something concrete to shove in people's faces ... if anyone can lend a hand. It would be great to build up a data bank of stats and facts that can be updated ... a useful recourse in the face of ignorance and lies. Maybe there is such a data bank?

Posted by: exfidel at May 16, 2007 11:14 AM

It is difficult being a Muslim in America not for the reasons of being a Muslim, but for the reason that Muslim immigrants are all 3rd world peoples who are one step above barbarous.
They are rude, treat women as property and are exclusive.

Coupled with the attitude of American Muslims who like their exclusivity as a club to look down on others with their robes and scarves it all amounts to flipping the United States the finger.

Polite, polite and smiling is what creates all citizens into a culture where things are less difficult for all.

Posted by: Lame Cherry at May 16, 2007 11:16 AM

If true believers fail to cease and desist Jihad within the United States, I'm afraid it will get progressively worse and depending on the 'success' of jihad fighters it may become impossible to be a practitioner on US soil. Thank your jihadis for the trouble, Muslimah Nasson.

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at May 16, 2007 11:23 AM

Ware is the condemnations of these inhuman acts? Muslims play victim when one of their own commits inhuman crimes. You can’t fool everyone all the time. We know it is central to Islam to kill the infidel.

The conduct of young Muslims at San Diego State right after 9/11 was appaling. We are enemies.

Posted by: Ruebacca at May 16, 2007 11:24 AM

Waaaah! We feel picked on because we're Muslims. Well, do something about it. Assimilate. Better yet, aim fatwas and launch a jihad against that "tiny minority of misunderstanders" who give you all a bad name. Even declaring them apostates would be helpful. Until these things happen QUIT WHINING!

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at May 16, 2007 11:28 AM

Seems clear that these comments threads are really for people to whinge and moan about Islam than actually mobilise to do anything about it.

Posted by: exfidel at May 16, 2007 11:33 AM

"These days it sometimes feels really hard to be a Muslim in America"

I gather that the speaker the above words was not talking from islamberg or Dearborn.

Posted by: arjun.sevak at May 16, 2007 11:34 AM

exfidel = you're wrong... I'm doing all kinds of things about it. This is a mustering point for me - not the end of what I'm doing.

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at May 16, 2007 11:35 AM

It must certainly be getting more and more difficult to practice the art of taquiya, and kitman. Whether it is the Quran of Mecca, or the Quran of Medina there is no abrogation (Sura 2:106, 13:39 and 16:101 thru 16:103) of the words of their prophet Mohammed, but.only substitution.

The words of their prophet are considered pure either in Mecca or his then violent and aggressive campaigns against all who where not Muslim towards Medina.

The religion of peace is but pure myth, and pure fiction just as the words of Mohammed are not abrogated anywhere in the text of the Quran.

I hope I never hear one of our politicans refer to Islam as a religion of peace again because if they still believe that then they are to ignorant to represent and defend America.

Know your enemy and know him well! To defend yourself you must be able to define yourself!

Posted by: Mackie at May 16, 2007 11:41 AM

she thinks it is hard being a Muslim in America?....she should try being a Christian in a Muslim held land...

Posted by: exsgtbrown at May 16, 2007 11:41 AM

That's the same pissing and moaning the Christians are doing throughout the middle east. (sarc)

Posted by: mustang65 at May 16, 2007 11:44 AM

exfidel, many people are working on combating jihad. Christians, Jews, Hindus, humanists, and atheists are learning the islamic doctrine (know the enemy) and forming alliances. Go to dawah presentations, interfaith meetings and you will find them. Read you local newspaper blogs and comments. Get in touch with those who think as you do. You will find allies if you look. Yes it is hard but this is war.

Posted by: the poetess at May 16, 2007 11:46 AM

Re: "These days it sometimes feels really hard to be a non-Muslim outside of America"

I live in a place where there are a lot of Hasidim nearby (about 2 miles away). The Hasidim represent a more "pure" form of Judaism.
On Route 59 in Monsey (where they are the majority) they are just about everywhere, with their black hats, their distinct dress. I walk among them without fear. I feel no danger. Sure, they are the extreme of Judaism, not the "moderates", but I know the extreme in Judaism does not mandate violence against unbelievers.

The extreme is the purer form of a belief-system. That's why non-Muslims live in fear where Muslims are a majority.

Posted by: Frank at May 16, 2007 11:46 AM

OT:

Here is the transcript and audio file ofm Magdi Allam's very touching speech at the American Jewish Committee:

http://ajcblog.org/2007/05/07/audio-magdi-allam-accepts-mass-media-award/

Posted by: Stefania at May 16, 2007 11:46 AM

exfidel,

There are databases with the stats (at least in the United States and Canada). There are annual reports. (I'll look it up for you.)

There are, however, problems when you try to get similar information from, say, France. Jews in France have not been faring well. (There was a EU report a few years ago, but pro-Islam types attempted to suppress the info). France (due to right-wing Catholicism and its history) has adopted as an official policy of secularism and "we are all one". So, in France, there are no official records kept about "minorities" -- "minorities" do not exist, officially, remember -- "Everyone living in France is French." So, you can't have, say, an "Arab Frenchman" (again, this is at the "official" level). So if you can't collect info about "minorities", then you can't talk about "ethnic" clashes (say, French Muslims vs French Jews, etc.) Any stats along these lines will be "guesses". (that's also one of the reasons why you'll never get the same figure if you ask, "How many Muslims live in France?"). (Given France's history, you can sort of understand the reluctance to start grouping people based on their religion or ethnicity.)

Posted by: J.S. at May 16, 2007 11:52 AM

Koran with a Cherry on Top

the moonbat chirps:

"One of my favorite and most comforting chapters in the Qur'an begins: 'Consider the bright morning hours, and the night when it grows still and dark' (93:1-2).

Ah yes! So brilliant and profound is the Koran.

I could make up these verses all day long...

"Consider the sleek keyboard and luminous monitor when it flickers to life. Verily Allah ...."

"Consider the copier and the fax machine which doth beep its message. Verily Allah's messenger ..."

enough

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at May 16, 2007 12:12 PM

How do infidels who are aware of Islam's propensity for violence, and the repugnant nature of Muhammad himself, convince "bad" Muslims that Islam itself is the source of their problems? Are they cherry-picking the best parts of Islam, and if so how can they be convinced? I have no doubt there are many Muslims who are good people, and believe strongly in the parts of their religion which are not objectionable. Maybe we can't do it and have to rely on people working on the "inside", since they can and do exist in the west.

Posted by: Quijybo at May 16, 2007 12:14 PM

There are so many of these victims.

Adil Najam, "Professor" Adil Najam (compare his previous training and specialty, with what he is now doing after a Sudden Makeover to meet the needs of the marketplace, and apparently that was good enough for some of his Tufts colleagues -- I mean, he is a Muslim isn't he? So he must be some kind of expert on Islma, mustn't he? Hire him for that), is another example of the widespread phenomenon. Muslims as Victims.

They march down the Champs-Elysees crying "Death to France." In London they hold up signs saying "England belongs to Islam." They make demands for changes in the way schools operate, demand prayer-rooms in public places (despite the First Amendment), think it unjust to be told they cannot refuse to pick up people with seeing-eye dogs, or carrying a bottle of beer. They ask, and if rejected, keep asking, and will keep trying, until our institutions, our legal and political framework, the product of Infidels and a completely un-Islamic view of the universe (see Reza Afshari and his study of how Islam, and the Shari'a, flatly contradict every major right in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights).

But to the Adil Najams of this world, "We Muslims are the new Jews." Just remember how those Jews, from 1933 on, kept putting bombs everywhere, attacking innocnet Germans on the street, declaring their intention to "take over" Germany, and so on.

And don't forget, either, how we have rounded up Muslims everywhere, put them in internment camps, by the hundreds of thousands, and nothing illustrates the sheer, Nazi-like bestiality of our treatment of Muslims than the denial of scented deodorant, and scented shampoo.

Have the Americans no shame? Have they learned nothing from "Facing History and Ourselves"?

Yes, of course: "These days it feels really hard to be a Muslim in America."

Or: "What did we do to deserve such suspicion?"

Or: "Muslims are the new Jews."

And don't forget that unscented shampoo. Really, the amenities at this hotel in Cuba are simply not up to snuff.

Posted by: Hugh at May 16, 2007 12:20 PM

Dear Ayesha;

If you’re feeling isolated and lonely, perhaps, just maybe, think about not prostrating yourself five times a day to a Prophet who teaches:

2:10 Disbelievers are diseased.
2:99 Disbelievers are evil people.
2:104 For disbelievers is a painful doom.
2:171 Disbelievers are deaf, dumb, and blind.
3:28 Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference of believers.
3:73 Don't believe anyone who is not a Muslim.
3:48 Don't be friends with non-Muslims. They all hate you and want to ruin you.
4:89 Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them.
4:63 Oppose those who refuse to follow Muhammad.
4:101The disbelievers are an open enemy to you.
4:144 Do not choose disbelievers as friends.
5:51 Don't take Jews or Christians for friends. If you do, then Allah will consider you to be one of them.
5:51 Jews and Christians are losers.
5:60 Allah turned unbelievers into apes and swine.
5:59 Jews and Christians are evil people.
5:57 Don't choose Jews, Christians, or disbelievers as guardians.
6:106 Stay away from disbelievers.
8:55 The worst beasts in Allah's sight are the disbelievers.
9:5 Slay the disbelievers wherever you find them.
9:28 Disbelievers are unclean.
9:30 Christians and Jews are perverts. Allah himself fights against them.

You might be more popular.

Posted by: pez at May 16, 2007 12:20 PM

Wow Im sorry I cannot muster up a single iota of compassion ,sympathy or concern,I simply could not care less about muslims, I used to, but having talked to them so much I lost it. I know to much about Islam to care about them any more.

Posted by: KAOSKTRL at May 16, 2007 12:21 PM

She should try being a Christian in the islamic world and than see what is really hard and difficult.

Another whining and complaining muslim.

Yeah, we need more immigrants like her coming to the USA.

Just simply stay out and remain in your islamic nation where you are not allowed to complain.

Posted by: Hungarian Crusader at May 16, 2007 12:22 PM

exfidel:

Look hate crimes up here:

http://www.fbi.gov/research.htm

It's not complete or detailed, but it shows that indeed attacks against Jews are much more numerous and vicious than against Muslims.

Posted by: ovidius_naso at May 16, 2007 12:30 PM

There's the FBI website on "hate crimes." Can check this one out:

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2005/index.html

(It takes time to gather the stats, so the most up to date info is 2005 data. Have to also watch out for certain potential problem areas -- for example, is the stat about an arrest or a conviction? If a person's been arrested for an offense, it doesn't necessarily mean that the person is guilty. sometimes there may be claims that so-and-so has been subjected to a "hate" crime, but then upon investigation, the charge proves to be erroneous. So to avoid this possibility, it's better to find the stats on convictions, not arrests/charges.)

With regard to Europe, see Bat Ye'or (in the text Eurabia), page 127. She states that no government in Europe worried about antisemitism (and its rise related to the massive Muslim immigration into Europe), until the American press mentioned it. Then, "the EU ordered a report -- which was immediately shelved, precisely because it implicated Arab Muslim and pro-Palestinian Leftist and extreme right groups in the antisemitic wave." (i have a copy of that report).

Posted by: J.S. at May 16, 2007 12:31 PM

Yesterday on another thread I was articulating(too strongly I suspect)my thoughts on how we need to start fighting fire with fire with the cult of islam,and that post was deleted.So I will tone it down a little this time but the point is the same.They enjoy prosperity beyond their wildest imaginations in The USA,yet they are still victims?the whole world bends over backwards to accomadate them yet they still burn American flags and chant "death to America". The scum down in Gitmo deserve what they are giving to our captured sodiers! Use your imagination on that one,does that make me a bad person? no it makes me smart,they will change their tune and their ways if we stop all of this suicidal politicaly correct BS and start calling it like it is.Outlaw the cult and start deporting its adherents most frikkin riki tik,and be as brutal,no more brutal on the battlefield than these virgin seeking cowards can imagine.Ok I know it isnt gonna happen overnight but come on somethings got to give or we are in for a world of shit.

Posted by: tscipio at May 16, 2007 12:34 PM

""And surely after hardship there is ease," by Ayesha Malik Nasson at ReligionAndSpirituality.com, with thanks to Neil:

These days it sometimes feels really hard to be a Muslim in America. Occasionally it leaves me feeling disheartened, overwhelmed, despised, feared or pessimistic. I want to retreat, tired and irritated from having to explain or defend Islam yet again to those who are set on believing the worst, no matter what I say or do as a practicing Muslim.

Ayesha Malik Nasson,

Believe me, Ms. Nasson, it feels even harder to be non-Muslim in in the world today. Non-Muslims throughtout the world are not only left feeling disheartened, overwhelmed, despised, feared or pessimistic, it leaves them dead.

It would have been considered a blessing to the 300 dead in a Beslon school, hundreds murdered in Thailand, 3000 in the world trade center, 200 in Spain, 52 in the London subway, and scores of others, if they had been allowed to just feel "tired and irritated," but they weren't permitted to do so by your co-religionists. Their lives were snuffed out before they had a chance to even beg for mercy, leaving behind a legacy of a life-time of horrendous grief and suffering.

Yes, My dear, you do have some explaing to do. You might start by explaining how you, and the rest of the Muslim world, can be so blinded to the suffering and injustice Islam visits on the rest of humanity, without a compassionate thought for anyone but yourselves.

Yes we do believe the worst. Muslim's have never given us reason to believe otherwise.

Not really a bad trade, my dear: You suffer a little "irritation" and "distress," We give you a secure and free Judeo/Christian society to live in.

Posted by: rational at May 16, 2007 12:35 PM

It must have been hard for all those people who were burned alive by muslims when they were working in the Twin Towers.

It must have been hard to be a child in Beslan when they were being shot in the back by muslims.

Ayesha Malik Nasson enjoys the gift of life and finds it a burden.

Posted by: mike trivisonno at May 16, 2007 12:36 PM

She should try being a Christian in the islamic world and than see what is really hard and difficult.

Or being a Jew in a muslim land - for the few that haven't already been expelled or worse, that is.

I respect Ayesha's right to free speech, but she should realize that if a Christian or Jew in a muslim land, especially a woman, spoke up like she has, it might literally be the last thing she ever did.

Posted by: Bigfoot at May 16, 2007 12:37 PM

"I want to retreat, tired and irritated from having to explain or defend Islam yet again to those who are set on believing the worst, no matter what I say or do as a practicing Muslim."

Because your personal Islam, your selective reading, understanding and acceptance of Allah's literal word, and of Muhammad, is nonsensical and irrelevant given the devotion, knowledge, and piety of your fundamentalist coreligionists.

In truth, dear, defending your personal Islam must be laughable to real Muslims.

Posted by: PRCS at May 16, 2007 12:37 PM

Why is it that we constantly hear of this fear of Backlash( that never actually happens)and hate from Muslims but we rarely if ever hear these same same " Peaceful " " compassionate " Muslims condemn the violence in turn?

It just never seems to happen.

They just turn it into victimization and selfishness. An attack occurs and instead of burning an effigie of a terrorist or denouncing it LOUDLY! all we see is them sueing some John doe over a minor security delay at an airport ( due to misbehaviour )or cry about a loss of business at a terrorists parent pizzaria etc etc.

Who is really being compassionless here? who is really being persecuted?

WE ARE!

Even when they are killing us and the rest are staying silent they are the ones being victimized .

The selfishness and lack of respect that Western Muslims have toward their adoptive lands is disgusting.

Posted by: MoBlows at May 16, 2007 12:38 PM

If it is impossible to tell the difference between a good muslim and a bad muslims as so many Westerners complain, perhaps it is because it is a distinction we created ourselves but which in reality does not exist.

Muslims, if allowed to talk long enough, will claim that they are the victims of 9/11. That is just how their culture works.

Posted by: mike trivisonno at May 16, 2007 12:43 PM

The four stages of jihad in the Quran, and the Hadiths

http://answering-islam.org.uk/Bailey/jihad.html

What does the religion of peace teach about violence

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/023-violence.htm

Posted by: Mackie at May 16, 2007 12:58 PM

"These days it sometimes feels really hard to be a Muslim in America"

And how does that compare to being a christian in Iran, Iraq or Saudi-Arabia or a budist in Southern Thailand or a Hindu in Bangladesh. Actually any muslims being killed, had their head cut off, had their children enslaved or raped.

Posted by: Marvin at May 16, 2007 1:04 PM

Will someone please explain what

Muslims in the U.S. are as free to practice their religion in peace...

means?

What exactly is practiced in Islam?

Does Allah know or care about the individual Muslim?

Do not Muslims exist merely to worship (and grovel to) Allah?

Do not Muslims continually worry about being tortured for all eternity in Hell because of some minor infraction of "the rules"?

Do not Muslims get continually fed their status of being victims by us Infidels?

Are not Muslim women told that they are even lower insect than the men?

99% of the Muslims I see are NOT SMILING!

So I repeat: what exactly is practiced in Islam that could ever be even vaguely considered uplifting, even for Muslims, forgetting about Infidels?

Posted by: Ethelred at May 16, 2007 1:05 PM

Marvin that is exactly the point! Kudos.

Although you will never get a Muslim to ever respond to that one. Not even the Slippery Naseem.

Posted by: MoBlows at May 16, 2007 1:08 PM

Ethelred:
"So I repeat: what exactly is practiced in Islam that could ever be even vaguely considered uplifting, even for Muslims, forgetting about Infidels?"

uhmmm 72 virgins,that lifts them right up.
Islam ,so simple even a caveman can see through the lies

Posted by: tscipio at May 16, 2007 1:11 PM

I was being sarcastic, PBUH, but only to make a point.

That point is that the "moderate Muslims" that everyone is looking for say, if not "Islam is a religion of peace," but rather, "I just want to be left alone to practice my religion." What possible hope or "finding one's purpose in the Universe" or dignity does a Muslim get from praying to this monster Allah?

Yes, a thug can find justification for being a thug by converting to Islam, and even revel in being a thug.

Islam, as a religion seems to inculcate feelings of uselessness, fatalism and hatred of self and others.

Why are we allowing this travesty to exist in the West?

Ethelred

Posted by: Ethelred at May 16, 2007 1:16 PM

tscipio:

Exactly! This life means nothing you worthless insect of a Muslim. The only thing that can save you is to die fighting for me, Allah.

......

But say you, you thinking Infidel, if Allah is all Knowing, Powerful, Far Seeing, (blah, blah) why does he need these insects?

......

Muslim: mine is not to ask but to obey. as a matter of fact, the question never entered my "mind."

.....

Why do we allow this soul-murdering religion to enter the West?

E

Posted by: Ethelred at May 16, 2007 1:20 PM

Forgot part of it Please tell me why this was deleated Robert???? As well as all my other post??

Want the board to know?

May 16, 2007
May be I don’t spell to well and talk a little funny to some and yes the other langue does throw that off quit a bit maybe it is the time warp but after a long night’s sleep I see things more clearly. Yes a long legged blond who talks a little funny who cleans up real nice Yes Proud of it!! Call it redneck if you must I wear that badge proudly!

Now let’s look at one who says his

Actually, 'Catherine' was bothering my moral sense for a moment, when suddenly her second posting was mercifully deleted
Posted by: schmegel at May 15, 2007 12:48 PM

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/016441.php

Which is a shame What kind of a name is schmegal oh yea a hobbit what is a hobbit short big hairy feet? And last time I cked that story line schmegal killed his buddy for a ring?

And you post is wrong I didn’t say the Tsunami was Because I said MAKES YOU WONDER now if you know the Enemy who always says they do it for their rock to show them they take the wrong path is a just thing to do don’t you think?

Maybe you only saw the all-inclusive of let’s say Indonesia and say what a wonderful place while just on other side of the hill people were being killed because they were Christians by mulsums OH but that “was bothering my moral sense” so don’t tell it because I’m on vac. Yes like the kid’s who do drugs and say it is all about me I aint hurting nobody well the hurting has been going on!

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/2004_12.php
Little walk down recall lane?
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/004434.php#comments
Oh the things you don’t see??
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/004433.php#comments
yep the things you don’t see

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/009529.php#comments
“was bothering my moral sense”
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/009542.php#comments
“was bothering my moral sense”
But there was 210,000 dead mulsums?
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/009559.php#comments
OH but it doesn’t affect me?

Things like these are what upset my moral sense and to find out that my on country played a part on the wrong side!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6431302053204441995&hl=de
Yes this does piss me off! Was this about Israel or Christians who believe in?

Trying to white wash the fact the Fort Dix 6 and Families were not part of this and were mulsums?

You see my Head is not in the Sand This is around the world and when I see our Government Congress Under minding the Ones who fight BECAUSE OF PC

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/009538.php#comments
FOR THOSE PRESS OUT THERE THAT HAVE NO RECALL IT’S IRAN??

Posted by: Catherine at May 16, 2007 10:49 AM

Posted by: Catherine at May 16, 2007 1:26 PM

Ethelred:
For the muslims worshiping allah gives them a free pass to feel superior to anyone else thus dehumanising anyone else,so now they can kill,maim,rape etc... guilt free.So anyone with any intention whatsoever of spiritualy finding their reason for existence in the universe will not reach for islam but for another faith that might just teach the sanctity of human life and other nice things such as that.They are all scammed by a professional murderer/robber who wrote a manual on how to control desert savages and turned it into a respectable religeon.Oh and ethel I knew you were being sarcastic.I honestly dont know why we are allowing this travesty to destroy the west,I can only say it is the loony left.

Posted by: tscipio at May 16, 2007 1:26 PM

sorry for the typos in a hurry

Posted by: tscipio at May 16, 2007 1:27 PM

Poor Ayesha, my heart truly bleeds for her dreadful situation, brought about by her Muslim ‘brothers in arms’ in foreign lands and at home. A true butterfly of peace and tranquillity and as it happens; a consultant on human rights issues no less.
If we are to take her at her word and accept that as far as she’s concerned it’s all a big misunderstanding about Islam then it should perhaps be suggested to her that she takes a visit to her nearest hospital to have her head surgically removed from her sphincter to enable her to see the true light….
That light suggests a comparison between Islam and Typhoid fever. Some might be riddled with it and some might be carriers, neither is socially acceptable.

One would imagine, foolishly, that a literate female who is competent enough to string a sentence together could understand why Muslims and Islam are as popular as a fart in a spacesuit today. I have no need to list the many unacceptable teachings and acts of violence perpetrated by Islamists as I’d be preaching to the converted on this site but there is no doubt in my mind that having read what these people are capable of in their determination to have the civilised world revert to 7th century barbarity they must be eradicated with extreme prejudice. The teachings she seems to be commending are obviously at odds with the perpetrators of violence near and far. One wonders how she would get on should she take a trip to Saudi, minus the headscarf and submissiveness and start promoting human rights over there? Mmmm, I think that’s not on her agenda somehow. To sum up…she’s full of s**t.!

Posted by: Jihadtobejoking at May 16, 2007 1:33 PM

These days it sometimes feels really hard to be a Muslim in America

Gee, it must be.

Today, I had a business meeting in the downtown area of a large Midwestern City and decided to take the train since the main station was only a few blocks from where I needed to be.

During one of the stops, a young muslim man, fully bearded, with islamic garb, sat just across from.

The whole time, he was reading a little red book written in Arabic. I glanced down and recognized that it was a quaran, he was reading something from Sura 9.

As we reached the main station, he closed his book and muttered something under his breath that sounded familiar "allah ahkbar."

Our eyes met briefly and I nodded as he gathered up his belongings and moved to the exit.

As he stood in the isle, the conductors walked by paying no attention to our obvious islamic friend.

A recorded announcement came over the intercom about how the railroad was at a hightened alert for suspicious objects or individuals; simultaneously, a text message version rolled by on the display above the door beneath which, stood the skull-capped passenger, quaran in hand.

No one paid any attention to him. Most passengers dared not even look in his direction let alone make eye-contact as I did.

The obvious occurred to me -- "what if?"

Today, nothing happened and I was not the least bit fearful of the individual.

Perhaps, in another city, at another time he and I will meet again under less fortunate circumstances; but even if my instincts were roused and I sensed something truly to be fearful about -- I am convinced that no one would believe me even if I did report it.

As one city police officer once quipped -- "Under the circumstances, if I see 'something suspicious' I'm gonna look the other damned way!"

Hopefully, someday the utterance of "allah ahkbar" will pique the interest of other authority figers before it is too late.

But, I have my doubts.

Posted by: witness at May 16, 2007 1:45 PM

Those who find it "hard" to be a Muslim in America should be encouraged to be Muslim somewhere else, or to become an Apostate.

If its "hard" to be a Muslim in America, it is "impossible" to be a Christian in Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc.

The "Blame America First" need to leave and to leave now before things become . . . "harder".

Posted by: JSobieski at May 16, 2007 1:46 PM

She should try being a Christian in England!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/04/28/nring28.xml

"Schoolgirl goes to court over chastity ring

"By Jonathan Petre, Religion Correspondent, and Hazel Southam

..."Lydia Playfoot wanted to wear a silver ring that showed her commitment to remain a virgin until marriage. But her school refused permission on health and safety grounds and because the ring infringed its jewellery policy...

..."Although the school allows Muslim and Sikh pupils to wear headscarves, trousers and kara bracelets as a cultural expression of their religion, the chastity ring - a small band engraved with a biblical verse, 1 Thessalonians 4:3-4 - is not allowed because it is considered to be jewellery. The school also forbids the wearing of crosses and crucifixes..."

There's a photo: it's a teeny-tiny ring.

Posted by: Josephine at May 16, 2007 1:47 PM

Muslims living in the dar al-Harb have no claim to be worthy of sympathy when they, by their own religion beliefs, would have all infidels either killed or paying a protection money to live and made to feel humiliated (9:29). IMO they obviously deserve to have it hard.

Posted by: FM at May 16, 2007 1:47 PM

sorry about the spelling; I'm in a bit of a rush; and wireless connections with many distractions don't help.

Posted by: witness at May 16, 2007 1:49 PM

too bad try being a jew in a muslin land. i am sick of these unwanted people belly aching!!

go back to the land of your birth!! we don't want you and you don't fit in!!

Posted by: sado1 at May 16, 2007 1:52 PM

You see, muslims feel superior and to have to defend themselves is almost incomprehensible. They feel they should be able to do what the heck they please... because they are muslim.

One thing that I have noted in the back of my head when I read about muslims in other countries talking of my country - they feel that the USA is a 'good muslim land' (I paraphrase). That made me sick knowing their dirty cat litter boxes are nothing but cesspools of humanity especially if they don't have enough dhimmi to clean up after them.

Posted by: R_not at May 16, 2007 1:56 PM

It is too easy to be a Moslem in in the United States. With CAIR yapping "victim!" and arrogant Moslems demanding special treatment because of their "religion" (ideology), too many Americans are afraid of being branded "bigot" or "racist" if they stand up for our--American (non-Moslem)--rights.

Posted by: unicorns62000 at May 16, 2007 2:03 PM

"These days it sometimes feels really hard to be a Muslim in America"

Does that mean you're leaving? Can't say I'm sorry.

Posted by: champ at May 16, 2007 2:05 PM

Who are we really kidding ? I'm starting to believe that we are so afraid of offending anyones sensibilities and try so hard to be fair and good that we are taking away our own freedoms for the sake of political correctness.
If we do this are we really even worthy of the Freedom we misuse?

What happened to our pride in our culture?

It's a slippery slope.

Posted by: MoBlows at May 16, 2007 2:06 PM

Don't worry honey someday your suffering will be over.

All your torment and anguish will cease once the fianl set of sleepy eyes are opened.

The only thing hard for a muslim to do in America is realize that we do not fall into blind zombiism that is islam.

Most anyway.

Yet another person who i could care less about thier "feelings."

These people have not one IOTA (imanutajobas favorite word) of respect comming from me.Never mind whether i care about them......which i don't.

The deafening silence of the "modertaes" still prevails and the lunatics and liars and cry babies have the floor.

Therefore the words of the lunatics and the lack of the words from the "moderates" means naught.

Then i guess defending islam must be some huge task.

She is about as tired of defending islam and muslims as we,at least me,are of hearing them defend it.

There is no excuse for it and there is no defense for it.

Islam the bloodiest "religion" on the face of the earth,whats to defend? Your right to kill any unlike you.

DROP DEAD.....PLEASE.

Posted by: Dar al-harb at May 16, 2007 2:16 PM

I would think it will soon be the same in Cannada??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OTfacRDBJo
Posted by: ala-sux at May 15, 2007 06:54 PM

exposure is the best way to put a kink in their armor

Posted by: Catherine at May 16, 2007 2:33 PM

@loney muslim

Hey, it gets worse in heaven. All you do is watch your husband make whoopee 24/7 with his 72 Virgins. I guess you can cheer him on by yelling Allah Akbar.

b--o--o--r--i--n--g

l--o--n--e--l--y

=============
You might try a different "religion."

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at May 16, 2007 2:41 PM

@Ayesha (miserable muslim)

Hey, it gets worse in heaven. All you do is watch your husband make whoopee 24/7 with his 72 Virgins. I guess you can cheer him on by yelling Allah Akbar.

b--o--o--r--i--n--g

l--o--n--e--l--y

=============
You might try a different "religion."

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at May 16, 2007 2:43 PM

..for the data base(this was the site of n. Haq's murderous attack)

"Last updated May 14, 2007 9:32 p.m. PT

Jewish Federation offices in Seattle vandalized
Glass marbles fired at windows
By HECTOR CASTRO
P-I REPORTER

Windows at the newly renovated offices of the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle were damaged when someone fired marbles into them over the weekend -- the third time vandals have struck the downtown center in the past week.

"It's not so much the expense as it is the emotional issues," said Richard Fruchter, president and chief executive of the federation. "It makes everybody a bit more anxious than they normally would be."

The anxiety stems from an attack July 28, when a gunman stormed into the building and shot five women, killing Pamela Waechter, 58, the charity's campaign director. The man accused of the attack, Naveed Haq, is scheduled to stand trial in January.

In March, the federation held an open house to celebrate its renovation, with security upgrades that included surveillance cameras and bulletproof glass in the reception area.

Now, security has been tightened even more after three incidents of vandalism, Fruchter said.

The latest attack happened between 6 a.m. and noon Saturday, according to a Seattle police report.

Staff members found holes punched into two small glass panels on the second floor. Shards of glass littered a conference room table, and police found glass marbles on the floor.

Officers speculated the marbles were fired with a slingshot from across the street. No one was hurt, but damage was estimated at $300.

Police are chasing down leads in the vandalism, Fruchter said.

"It's really unfortunate," he said. "We don't know who it is or why they're doing it.""

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/315617_jewishcenter15.html

Posted by: Madduck at May 16, 2007 2:45 PM

Ynkedoodl2
correct me if I am wrong but didnt the cult founder say that most women go to hell anyway?or is it that hell is populated mostly by women? so if thats the case they wont even be able to watch the whoopie making.

Posted by: tscipio at May 16, 2007 2:45 PM

@tscipio

Excellent observation! Yes, our dear Ayesha only gets to watch the 72 Virgins do her husband if she's a very, very, good muslima! And verily alla-talla knows best!

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at May 16, 2007 2:59 PM

"These days it sometimes feels really hard to be a Muslim in America. Occasionally it leaves me feeling disheartened, overwhelmed, despised, feared or pessimistic. I want to retreat, tired and irritated from having to explain or defend Islam yet again to those who are set on believing the worst, no matter what I say or do as a practicing Muslim."

I guess the lies are not working anymore. The non-muslims know too much! Good!

Keep it up Mr. Spencer!

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at May 16, 2007 3:00 PM

It's so hard to be a Muslim in America?

Try being anything other than a Muslim anywhere Islam is in the majority. You're not even allowed to bring a Bible into the oil fields of Saudi Arabia.

Where does this woman get this part of her article from (does she not know Islamic history?)

"The lives of the prophets and their companions teach us patience and steadfastness. In spite of immense suffering and appalling circumstances, they never despaired or lost their faith or hope in God. They never lowered their standards, or stooped to conquer. Thus put into context, much of what I perceive as trials are revealed as insignificant."

They never STOOPED TO CONQUER?

Probably the most revealing sentence (in that it explains why most Muslims see nothing wrong with what terrorists are doing);

"Our teacher said: "That moment of sheer terror is our life here on earth. It's easy to get caught up and confused, but what we have to remember is that we are in very good Hands."

She's "of Pakistani heritage". If it's so hard being a Muslim in America then try Karachi.

Posted by: PMK at May 16, 2007 3:11 PM

I live in a place where there are a lot of Hasidim nearby (about 2 miles away). The Hasidim represent a more "pure" form of Judaism.
On Route 59 in Monsey (where they are the majority) they are just about everywhere, with their black hats, their distinct dress. I walk among them without fear. I feel no danger. Sure, they are the extreme of Judaism, not the "moderates", but I know the extreme in Judaism does not mandate violence against unbelievers.

The extreme is the purer form of a belief-system. That's why non-Muslims live in fear where Muslims are a majority.

Posted by: Frank at May 16, 2007 11:46 AM

Frank:

the reason that you generally need not fear physical violence or intimidation from Hasidim is as Bernard recently put it, "Islam and Christianity share a prominent feature - triumphalism. Both Christianity and Islam believe that they are the sole recipients of G-d’s latest word. Conversely Jews believe in individual salvation through righteousness."

And you need not fear physical violence or intimidation at the hands of the vast majority of Christians because they left the triumphalist stuff behind many centuries ago, whereas Lewis finds, "Islam, currently in its 15th century, is still deeply entrenched in such beliefs... ... that theirs is the only true faith, and it is their duty to bring their faith to the rest of the world.”"

Posted by: waterdragon52 at May 16, 2007 3:19 PM

PMK: "They never STOOPED TO CONQUER?"

You beat me to it. What has this woman been smoking? Here it is from the horse's mouth:

"One of the greatest debates within the Muslim Ummah, one that causes division within the Islamic nation and that is often used by the enemies of Islam as a means of ascribing brutality to our religion is centered on the methods by which Islam was propagated throughout the globe. Was Islam spread by the sword? The quick answer to this question is a resounding yes and in this article, we hope to set the record straight using the evidence from the Qur’an and the Sunnah, the practice of the Guided Caliphs and the consensus of the righteous scholars of the Ummah, inshaAllah. While the evidences in this article are by no means exhaustive, inshaAllah they will be adequate to lay this matter to rest."
http://jihadunspun.com/index-side_internal.php?article=107152&list=/index.php&

Posted by: Caroline at May 16, 2007 3:36 PM

Poor girl. She's got such a hard life here. I think I'll donate money for a one-way airline ticket to Juba.

She's not Arab, but maybe her Pakistani heritage wn't be too much of a hindrance. Maybe her hut won't get burned, maybe she won't get raped or killed. Maybe.

But she won't have to endure the misery of the American 'backlash'.

That sounds like a win-win to me...anyone else care to contribute?

Posted by: Miss_Anthrope at May 16, 2007 4:24 PM

Ayesha Malik Nasson complains:

"(Being a Moslem in America)...leaves me feeling disheartened, overwhelmed, despised, feared or pessimistic."

Clearly this person views it as her duty to defend Islam from external critics, an audience that appears to be getting a little hard to manage. Interestingly, she makes no mention of reforming Islam from within. I wonder how disheartened, overwhelmed, despised and pessimistic she would feel following that line of action.

She's in a hard place all right.

Posted by: Chatillon at May 16, 2007 4:30 PM

I believe there's something else contained in the "O woe is me!" whining from this Muslim.

I have noticed that Muslims routinely use terrorist acts (the more gruesome and heinous, the better) to be followed by a "innocent" spokesperson who comes out and proclaims: "WE Muslims are being persecuted!! Persecuted, I tell you!" (i heard this immediately after 9/11 on CBC, and ever since).

The hope (from said spokesperson for the Religion of the Barbarous) is, I guess, to accomplish a number of goals: allow me numerate a few of them:

1) so that the attention of the Infidel is diverted. So any Infidel emotions of outrage or anger directed at the criminal Muslims (engaged in acts ranging from plans to blow up nursery schools to beheading Prime Ministers) is then turned to the alleged "innocent" Muslim...the one who "just can't figure out why the Infidels are soooo upset... I mean Muslims only wish to conquer and rule over you...and, you know, this is something really, really grand... just ask an Armstrong or a United Church goer or an Anglican or any other Dhimmi-dim-wit...they love their cringing, crawling submission...their bowin' and scrapin' to their betters...and so should you!"
2) to provoke an "interest" in what makes Muslims "tick." This acts as a handy info intro session for a Da'wa lesson. "Oh, let me explain to you all about Islam." followed by the standard set of lies.
3) like psychopaths, the "moral order" becomes inverted. Thus, accusers become the accused, and the accused become the accusers. (This would be the Ted Bundys claiming "innocence" and persecution by law enforcement types -- "it's the cops who are the evil ones!!"). These inversions are bound to confuse Infidels (especially those "Christians" of the Armstrong variety).
4) Finally, the one thing a listener or reader can always be assured of -- you will not hear or read the truth from said Muslim "spokesperson." Just more manipulative lies about how "great" islam is.

Posted by: J.S. at May 16, 2007 4:50 PM

From another column by Ayesha Malik Nasson:

"The Prophet(s) said: "Value five things before five things: youth before senility, health before illness, solvency before poverty, free time before getting busy, and life before death" (Al-Haakim's Al-Mustadrak: 4/306)."

Youth before senility? Why do they sacrifice their young in jihad?

Health before illness? Sounds reasonable. The sick can't fight for Allah.

Solvency before poverty? Then why do they not devote their energy to building up their societies?

Free time before getting busy? That explains the endemic poverty.

Life before death? Then why do they taunt us with the statement that they crave death while we crave life?

Posted by: PMK at May 16, 2007 4:56 PM

Correction: Dr. Mohammad Omar Farooq, Ph.D., wrote the column which spoke about the five things.

Posted by: PMK at May 16, 2007 5:00 PM

Another thing, I suspect that a number of muslims (a majority? I don't know), don't really mind all that much that some other muslims engage in terrorist activities...in fact, they probably approve. After all, terrorism brings them attention, it brings them the media air time (more time for Da'wa), it brings out the non-Muslim bleeding hearts ready and eager to defend Islam no matter how heinous the criminal acts, it allows Muslims to bash the West, the United States and Israel, and simultaneously claim "persecution", it further funds CAIR groups, it expands the ranks of the reverts/retards, all round, hey, terrorism is great.

Posted by: J.S. at May 16, 2007 5:09 PM

Will someone please explain what

Muslims in the U.S. are as free to practice their religion in peace...

means? It means that our dimwitted politicians are guilty of gross negligence and unprecedented stupidity for allowing muslims to immigrate to America.

What exactly is practiced in Islam? ---the fine arts of hate, intolerance, supremacy, deceit, megalomania, and let's not forget jihad.

Does Allah know or care about the individual Muslim?-----hell no, the individual muslim is just one more grovelling, mindless zombie who must remind allah 5 times a day how much he fears, respects, and submits to him.

Do not Muslims exist merely to worship (and grovel to) Allah? ----yes.

Do not Muslims continually worry about being tortured for all eternity in Hell because of some minor infraction of "the rules"? ---I thought their fates were predetermined, "some are destined for hell" or something like that. But good deeds are supposed to buy paradise points; that's why so many of them want to be shahids. Even fatalist muslims hope for a second chance.

Do not Muslims get continually fed their status of being victims by us Infidels?-----some of the left-wingers and commies, worshippers and defenders of all minority groups, encourage victimhood but the islamic advocacy groups make sure muslims whine and gripe whether they have real complaints or not. Muslims don't know how lucky they are and they will keep pushing, pushing, pushing until their little charade blows up right in their lying faces.

Are not Muslim women told that they are even lower insect than the men?---I wonder about that sometimes based on testimonials from muslimahs. If it weren't for muslimahs, muslim males would be completely emasculated. Allah demands their complete submission and they demand the submission of their pathetic women. Slapping women around is the only power they have.

99% of the Muslims I see are NOT SMILING!---- There is no fun in islam, as the demon Khomeini so aptly declared. The fun comes later, when they're dead.

So I repeat: what exactly is practiced in Islam that could ever be even vaguely considered uplifting, even for Muslims, forgetting about Infidels?---- Only the belief that the good life will come after death. They live to die.

Posted by: Ethelred at May 16, 2007 01:05 PM

Posted by: Susanp at May 16, 2007 5:16 PM

If they don't like being a mulsum in the USA then move to a mulsum country don't we hear all the time how they are a pop of 1.2 billion then move to a mulsum county!!!

AND DON'T LET THE DOOR HIT YOU ON THE WAY OUT A MATTER OF FACT WE JUST FREED 2 MULSUM COUNTRIES THAT YOU CAN MOVE TO LOVELY BEACHES AND ONE FULL OF MOUTIANS TAKE YOUR PICK!!!

Posted by: Catherine at May 16, 2007 5:19 PM

".....hard to be a muslim in America these days.."
.............................................

Not nearly as hard as it should be and soon will be.

Posted by: pismopal at May 16, 2007 5:21 PM

English translation...
"Awwww, our ability to get away with taqqiyah, namely rape, rob, murder, steal, embezzle, etc, with impunity, is much harder to do here than other countires. Our islamist PR campaign isn't working no matter how hard we try."

It's called the 2nd Amendment...and after stretching the "rope" to its breaking point where it is right now, it won't take much for that to break...and they damned well know it, too.
That, coming from the peoplez republik of kalifornia
so I know in the heartland it's even more so.

Posted by: jcom972 at May 16, 2007 6:34 PM

The ruling states: "emigration from the blessed lands to live permanently in other countries is not permitted in terms of religious law."

Hey, have a good trip back to dar-al-islam. It is much easier to live an islamic life in the islamic world, and we will not lie down and die for your convenience.

Posted by: interestinconundrum at May 16, 2007 6:45 PM

Not really OT,
Watch this video of a Saudi telling what is expected of women. eeeewwww.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=25477_Saudi_Gross-Out_Video_of_the_Day&only

Posted by: interestinconundrum at May 16, 2007 6:54 PM

"I want to retreat, tired and irritated from having to explain or defend Islam yet again to those who are set on believing the worst, no matter what I say or do as a practicing Muslim."

Well tell ya what Ayesha. Time for you to pack up and head back to Pakistan,Somalia,Yemen,Sudan or from whatever worthless moslem dictatorship you came from ...and hey, even if you didn't come from because I know about your "religion" have had a bellyfull of your "religion" and frankly believe your "religion" does not mesh with American values or way of life. Please be off soon and take the veil and footbaths with you.Seems uncharitable for sure but we understand in this case it's a matter of survival...Bye

Posted by: solomonpal at May 16, 2007 6:57 PM

The main reason this woman finds it hard to live as a Muslim in America is because she is in denial about what her religion teaches. She has closed her mind and her eyes to the truth about Islam and clings to the peaceful myth with all she's got left. Denial is hard. Denial takes effort. The woman doesn't even appear to know any of the historical facts about her prophet, which is why she could say something as utterly ludicrous as

"The lives of the prophets and their companions teach us patience and steadfastness. In spite of immense suffering and appalling circumstances, they never despaired or lost their faith or hope in God. They never lowered their standards, or stooped to conquer."

The problem with living in America is that while we are a very tolerant people indeed, we don't suffer fools gladly. A moron doesn't get a free pass here in a climate of often rancorous intellectual debate about ideas.

I don't get a sense that the woman is practicing taqiyya. Rather I get the definite sense that she is excessively sentimental and that she is in denial. But it isn't the duty of Americans to make people feel good about their denial or their delusions. I reckon that makes it hard nowadays to be "a Muslim in America" indeed.

Posted by: Caroline at May 16, 2007 7:34 PM

Awwww, she feels harassed, disrespected, misunderstood...

Being in America means nobody's ever supposed to hurt your feelings, eh?

The Irish came, and found signs reading "No Irish need apply", but they found work anyway, and assimilated, and became Americans. Jews came, were mistrusted and mocked; they found work and assimilated and became Americans. The Italians came, were called dirty wops, found work and assimilated and became Americans. Cubans, Slovenians, Germans, Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Hmong, they all came, and were suspect, and found work and assimilated and became Americans. They were snubbed and I'm sure they hated it; but they came in desperation to this land of opportunity, worked like hell, and were proud to become American citizens. And the rest of us don't bat an eye when meeting a fellow American surnamed Gillooly or Finkelstein or Marzakovskiy or Gamertsfelder.

So, yes, Ayesha, it's tough for you. But it's not only you, and not only because you're Muslim in a land which has recently been attacked by "proud, avowed" Muslims. Get over yourself, work, assimilate, and become an American. Your children will thank you.

Posted by: A_Nonny_Mouse at May 16, 2007 7:48 PM

"It's hard being a Muslim in America."
Does the good lady want to return to Pakistan,Somalia,Yemen,Nigeria,Saudi Arabia etc?
You betcha boots she doesn't-anyone see queues outside any of the above embassies-nah, but queues nearly a mile long of Muslim Migrants are
trying for visas into Lands of the Infidel...

Posted by: Morgane at May 16, 2007 7:54 PM

J.S.
"I believe there's something else contained in the "O woe is me!" whining from this Muslim."

Your 2 posts did a great job at showing what suckers we as a society realy are,yes you spelled it out very well how they manipulate us and twist right into wrong but the question that leaves me with is why the hell do we fall for it?I truly hope this site and others open up more eyes to what is going on right in front of our faces.

Posted by: tscipio at May 16, 2007 9:28 PM

I am beginning to get the distinct impression that every mosque in the US, if not every mosque everywhere in the world has a "back door room".

That "back door room" is where the true believers go 'after hours' so to speak. It's where the elite "true believers" head after all the rest of the gullible population heads home.

Is that the case? And if so, why does the rest of the mosque's congregation just go home instead of getting together in a big group and aggressively pursuing and questioning what is going on in those "back rooms" of so many mosques in the US?? Would it be all that hard for the mainstream Muslim congregants to simply announce their intention to monitor those back door rooms?

Posted by: Caroline at May 16, 2007 9:39 PM

That back door is called an armory.
however, asking the congregation to monitor their fellows' activities is like asking the fox to guard the henhouse.

pointless.

Posted by: jcom972 at May 16, 2007 10:38 PM

Yes -- "why the hell do we fall for it?" Good question. I don't have an answer. Although I suspect that they are extremely adept at probing and finding our weak spots, then exploiting our weaknesses.

For example, at our universities -- the moment academics is polluted or tainted by a political agenda, truth flies out the door. Bat Ye'or writes (from the text Eurabia): "The obsequiousness and prejudices of many academic institutions corroded the norms, criteria and discipline necessary for objective academic study. Their submission to a political power...recalls the autocensorship and control over academia exerted by National Socialism and Communism" (p.253).

Then, there are certain churches/synagogues which exhibit a tendency to always root for "the underdog." (Recall the use of the Mickey Mouse character by Hamas?). All Muslims need do is make claims of "persecution", tell their sorry stories of being "abused" and victims, then the "moralists" will rush to their aid. (Again, this doesn't really explain WHY we fall for the lies over and over. Why aren't we more discerning, un-cover their lies? we allow ourselves to become defenseless -- fear of confrontation? fear of being called a "racist?").

Dershowitz in an interview recently stated that in the history of the United States many different kinds of immigrants (economic, fleeing persecution, etc.) have arrived and assimilated (some really blending in, becoming invisible, others, perhaps, less so, retaining a portion of their culture) but with certain muslim groups, this is the first time in U.S. history in which a group not only doesn't want to assimilate, they intend to take-over and dominate. Turn the United States into the Islamic States of America (thus, they're less "immigrants", more "invaders.")

Posted by: J.S. at May 16, 2007 10:58 PM

When you believe in the psychopathic ramblings of a pedophile warlord, it can be sorta depressing.

Defending the indefensible can be a full time job.

If you're a moron.

Posted by: profitsbeard at May 16, 2007 11:21 PM

Seriously...wherever you happen to live in the non-Muslim world: check your local street directory, and find out where ALL the Mosques/ Islamic schools/ 'Islamic Centres', whatever are, in your patch. Mark them on the map. Cruise past them in your car. Go to their "Open Days" and pick up swags of the free literature; read their noticeboards. If they have a community newspaper, read it...Identify ALL the Muslim businesses e.g. Halal butcheries and keep an eye on the clientele.

Also check where the non-Muslim schools, houses of worship, etc are, in the same area. Pray for their protection - and try to network with them (local area festivals are good for that - similarly, University Orientation Days).

I think it does no harm at all for Muslims to know we are watching them and that we don't believe for one minute that Islam conquered everything between Spain and the East Indies by anything other than total war. The truly 'peaceful' ones who AREN'T plotting jihad shouldn't mind; the others...need to know their cover is blown. Only evil fears the light.

By all means, if there are, say, Muslim parents dropping off their kids at your kid's school, say hello, make conversation, be polite and friendly. Ditto for your Muslim workmate or fellow-student or lecturer. But take NOTHING for granted. Jesus advised his followers to be "wise as serpents and harmless as doves" (very Jewish piece of advice, that - be nice but don't be stupid/ naive).

My German immigrant forebears here had to put up with a lot of suspicion, even outright harassment, during both WWI and WWII - especially WWII - but...what was the alternative? There really WERE fifth-columnists among the German population. There is plenty of evidence of Islamist fifth-column plotters today e. g Fort Dix six. There is, shall we say, a rock-solid observable correlation between Islam and jihadists. If Ms Nasson publicly identifies as Muslim she should not whinge about being cross-examined by sensible citizens who haven't forgotten 9/11. And hey, lady - you can always apostasise! Your religion is NOT your language, your ethnic group - you can keep those, no problem. Become a Buddhist, a Hindu, a Christian, an atheist ...and see what a welcome you'll receive from us kafir. (Whoops - but then your family will disown you and the local imam will send the hitmen to kill you...if your own brothers don't do it first...what a lovely religion).

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at May 16, 2007 11:24 PM

"this is the first time in U.S. history in which a group not only doesn't want to assimilate, they intend to take-over and dominate. Turn the United States into the Islamic States of America (thus, they're less "immigrants", more "invaders.")

from a posting above

This is the first time in US history in which ANY group has been allowed to come and not assimilate. We have a similar problem with Hispanics. Not only are we not requiring them to learn our language we are forcing Americans to learn THEIRS. This allows them to maintain separate conclaves within America.
The dangers we face from illegal immigration are compounded because too many people see illegal immigrants as "doing jobs Americans won't do".
The world was a much larger place during past periods of high immigration. We didn't have church leaders saying borders were immoral, that people needed to be able cross international boundaries without restriction.
People once came here to become American. Now they come to establish little outposts, or colonies. The Muslims are simply taking advantage of the rules we set. We are killing ourselves.

Posted by: PMK at May 16, 2007 11:34 PM

Maybe what's needed is a group (say a mirror reversal of the ACLU) which actually fights for (or defends) the United States Constitution. thus, it would be opposed to illegal immigration; opposed to the granting of amnesty to illegals; for the revocation of drivers' licenses, health and welfare benefits to illegals; for a re-invigoration of "Learn English" through tutoring, a teaching of citizenship classes to newly arrived immigrants; monitoring high school textbooks, removing the anti-American ones (stopping the Da'wa lessons); enforcing separation of church and state (that would mean no churches promoting illegals to come into the U.S. in defiance of U.S. laws, or providing "sanctuary"; no more foreign monies going to fund radical madrasses overseas); no more weapons technology transfers to hostile states, such as S. Arabia and Egypt, and so on.

Posted by: J.S. at May 16, 2007 11:51 PM

"check your local street directory, and find out where ALL the Mosques/ Islamic schools/ 'Islamic Centres'"...Well, I guess I must be "lucky" -- there's a Muslim website which provides me with all that info for my community...it's in the form of a short video (Da'wa lies included, of course)...complete with pictorial drive-bys. handy reference.

Posted by: J.S. at May 17, 2007 12:12 AM

AHHHHHH! Those poor downtrodden ROP Muslims.

My heart is bleeding.

BOO HOO FRIGGIN' HOO

Posted by: ewha1 at May 17, 2007 3:46 AM

Here is how others are treated in their sh..ty countries:

Pakistani Christians seek protection after Islamic extremists tell them to convert ...
http://www.azstarnet.com/news/183455

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — Christians in a Pakistani town beset by pro-Taliban militants sought government protection Wednesday, the eve of a deadline for them to convert to Islam or face violence....
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Jews In Pakistan -
After Israel declared independence in 1948, violent incidents occurred against Pakistan's small Jewish community, which numbered approximately 2,000 Bene Yisrael Jews. The synagogue in Karachi was set alight and Jews were attacked. The plight of Jews became more precarious following disturbances and demonstrations directed against the Jews during the Arab-Israel wars in 1948, 1956, and 1967. The persecution of Jews resulted in large-scale emigration, mostly to India, but also to Israel and the United Kingdom. The small community in Peshawar ceased to exist, and the synagogues were closed.Magen Shalome, built by Shalome Solomon Umerdekar and his son Gershone Solomon, Karachi’s last synagogue, was demolished in the 1980s to make way for a shopping plaza. Most of the Karachi Jews now live in Ramle, Israel, and built a synagogue they named Magen Shalome. Some Jewish families do remain, but they prefer to pass themselves off as Parsis due to the intolerance for Jews in Muslim Pakistan.
...................
Hindus In Pakistan --

Before the end of colonial rule in 1947, the land that was to become Pakistan had a large proportion of Hindus, accounting for over 26% of the population.Presently it is estimated that Hindus make up 2% of Pakistan’s population. They were either forced to convert to Islam or killed.

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Sikhs in Pakistan --

All previous protestations of friendship of the Sikh community ring hollow and it is becoming increasingly clear that Islamic fundamentalist elements, who control the Government in Pakistan, have decided to appropriate unto themselves Sikh temples in Pakistan and the properties attached to them, so that all traces of the Sikh faith are removed from the firmament in Pakistan.

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Posted by: MusHuntCowboy at May 17, 2007 4:11 AM

May 17, 2007
Yes this is a start these are the laws we need and whittle away at the problem, yes Use the Laws on the books and the Banks that are loaning money to illegal’s go after them!

http://www.centredaily.com/126/v-print/story/97475.html
May 16, 2007
Pa. mayor who targeted illegals on way to third term
By MICHAEL RUBINKAM
Hazleton Mayor Lou Barletta, who gained national prominence by targeting illegal immigrants living in his small northeastern Pennsylvania city, cruised to the Republican nomination for a third term on Tuesday - and unexpectedly won the Democratic nomination, too.

READ THE WHOLE THING!!

THEN THINK OF OTMs YEA FORT DIX?

The big problem is judges like these who rule on the cases that the illegal’s and OTMs bring? But when people are smart like going after that Judges house after he ruled to take those houses in CT.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-08-18-judge-sentenced_x.htm
Penis pump judge gets 4-year jail term
8/18/2006
BRISTOW, Okla

IT’S NOT MINE REALLY!!

YEA AND WE LET THE JUDGES TELL US WHAT TO DO??

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/016480.php
May 16, 2007
Judge in Internet Jihad trial: "I don't really understand what a Web site is"
A place where spiders nest, m'lord
Posted by: Infidel Pride at May 16, 2007 04:03 PM

Yes there are some really smart people out there and the gloves need to come off or our-your Country will be taken away from you.

Because the lefties are on the side of our enemy because of what they think they will gain.

Do you really want your safety in the hands of people like these??

Yes time to stop taken sucker punches!!

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM AMEN

ps

Why the pentagon doesn't want you to watch you tube?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkgHkxIfgBc&mode=related&search=
Kosovo , Serbia: church set in flames by muslim Albanians 04

Ask yourself will this be coming to a town near you??

http://www.beecy.net/frank/

Posted by: Catherine at May 17, 2007 6:31 AM

And Know that the Press sometimes gets’s it wrong?

EXAMPLE:

Craft and Putin

What was the story OH for more that a week Putin stole his ring?

Then when Craft got back Told the Press Hell Yes I gave it to him he didn't steel it!

But the US and Word Press did they even say they were sorry to a Leader no. nothing and you wonder why Putin doesn't like the press causing problems? WHERE IS THEIR SHAME

At lest he could shut them down. Here I hear a lot of whining but in the end Nothing.

I know that there are great People out there. Gather yourselves together as
Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at May 16, 2007 11:24 PM

Has said. Then go after the ones who give these monsters their sound board Protest their offices Make it Known you support this war against islamic terrorist and those who fight them that this is your Country and they are getting it wrong.

Remember you do have the power to make this happen IT can not be just for a day or two but make them change and stop aiding and abetting this enemy!

Remember Opra did not spend 40 million on a school in the USA to help others but in Africa WHY

This is what happens when decades of Opra and the likes of others like her Oh the victim we are all victims

This Country was not built on victim hood and will not be saved by Victim hood!

This is why they try to bring down those like Ann, Laura, Dr. Laura and others because they are not victims but fight.

Yes stand up and Gather yourselves your enemy has a head start.

And May God Bless you in your task Amen

Posted by: Catherine at May 17, 2007 7:13 AM

The muslims should go to the land of muslimhood! Then we can leave! Just go home Muslimiers! Your land is not here but in the EAST! Go fight your own war and quit **tching about us! GO HOME!

Posted by: MZ at May 17, 2007 3:17 PM

Their fatigue at having to explain and defend their belief system is nothing compared to that of the families of 9/11.

Muslims are only too happy to tell you what they've suffered at the hands of the unbelievers. Usually, it amounts to being questioned about the tenets and practice of their faith, or the results of their faith in action (i.e, beheadings, rape, mutilation, torture and kidnapping, financing linked to terrorism).

The problem is that while Lutherans, Catholics, Baptists, Jews and members of other faiths are meeting for potlucks, ice cream socials, church bazaars, slide shows of someone's recent trip to the Holy Land, making layettes for the local hospital, baking pies for a bake sale, or planning a social event open to the community at large, radical fundamentalist Muslims are meeting behind closed doors in their mosque to inspect the new Kalishnakovs, launder money for the terrorist du jour outreach, or plot new ways to eliminate Lutherans, Catholics, Jews and members of all other faiths.

When most people of faith drive by a mosque they wonder what mayhem is being hatched there under the guise of religion. Maybe, the day will come when the infidels will utilize their churches, synagogues, shrines and meeting houses to gather to discuss how to deal with the very real threat that Islam represents to all peace-loving people. For, I guarantee you that just because we love God (YAHWEH,not Allha) does not mean that we will not protect our lives and the lives of those we love from radical fundamentalists.

If the woman mentioned in the article has half a cranium, she'll search the headlines to find the reasons why peoples of all other faiths question her faith.

Posted by: BurkasforHitlery at May 17, 2007 6:50 PM