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Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak has admitted what we have known for a long time, but which still seems to elude policymakers in Europe and Washington: Hamas will never make peace with Israel.
"Mubarak: Hamas will never sign a peace agreement with Israel," by Barak Ravid for Haaretz:
Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak expressed great concern over the increasing strength of Hamas in talks with senior diplomatic officials on Wednesday, declaring that the organization will never sign a peace agreement with Israel, Haaretz has learned.He said that the Egyptian government is at a loss regarding the future of the Gaza Strip. However, he also proclaimed that Egypt is making great efforts to end the Hamas government and support Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas.
"With Hamas no way," he reportedly said.
Mubarak painted a dark picture of the situation with Hamas and said there was no chance for peace with the organization. "Hamas will never sign a peace agreement with Israel if it stays in power," the Egyptian president said.
Mubarak also said that Egypt did not accept Hamas in power, especially in light of its growing ties with the Muslim Brotherhood, which leads the opposition in Egypt. Mubarak sees the Brotherhood, which gained considerable power in Egypt's last parliamentary elections, as a threat to secular power.
It appears that Mubarak is giving Israel the green light to take action against Hamas. Apparently Mubarak sees Hamas as a threat no less than Israel does. What better than to have someone else do your dirty work for you?
Posted by Jay at May 17, 2007 9:06 AM
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OBVIOUSLY!
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at May 17, 2007 9:12 AM
'"Hamas will never sign a peace agreement with Israel if it stays in power," the Egyptian president said"
...AND he should know, Egypt has been funnelling arms and explosives to Gaza for a long time...and he knows these items are not used to build market booths...
at May 17, 2007 9:19 AM
there can be only 1 explanation to this:
president mubarak is islamophobic, racist and biggot !!!!
cause its a well documented fact that islam is a religion of peace and hamas are just missunderstood and harmless.
p.s
this is sarcasm btw.
at May 17, 2007 9:30 AM
Has he broken the news to Secretary of State Rice and the European Community of Nations? The new Secretary General of the UN should be carbon copied on the note as well.
Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at May 17, 2007 9:57 AM
Aside from the obvious smarta** comments this begs for, this could be a good thing next week when the Israeli tanks roll through Gaza. But then again, Mubarak is Muslim too, so he can't be trusted any more than any of the others.
I suspect this will embolden the Brotherhood to start causing more trouble in Egypt. And the great war will continue to expand.
And the folks in Washington will still try to negotiate.
Posted by: walterc at May 17, 2007 10:16 AM
And how many politicians have really even taken the time to read it ?
http://www.acpr.org.il/resources/hamascharter.html
Posted by: Mackie at May 17, 2007 10:16 AM
I sent the State Department a copy of this story and asked them to inform Secretary Rice of President Mubarak's comments, since they would have serious impact on our position dealing with Fatah, Hamas and the Palestinian Authority at every level.
Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at May 17, 2007 10:24 AM
And how many politicians have really even taken the time to read it ?
http://www.acpr.org.il/resources/hamascharter.html
Posted by: Mackie at May 17, 2007 10:26 AM
Matthew 12:26
26 And if Satan (Fatah) casts out Satan (Hamas), he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand?
26 And if Satan (Sunnis) casts out Satan (Shia), he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand?
Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at May 17, 2007 10:42 AM
Blood always flows where Islam goes.
Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at May 17, 2007 11:39 AM
When Muslims like Mubarak are more honest than infidels (Bush, Rush, et al) about Islam, how does the cognitive dissonance in the Administration not implode their pet theories (Religion of Peace; democracy, ad absurdum)?
Posted by: profitsbeard at May 17, 2007 12:01 PM
Ynkeedoodl2-
"Blood always flows where islam goes."
I feel a song parody coming on to the tune of "Love Goes Where my Rosemary Goes"
Blood flows where Muhammed goes
and nobody knows.....like me
Muhammed's got a magical spell
and it's working so well
that I can't get away.
He is kind of lazy
people say he's crazy
and his life's a mystery
but blood flows
where Muhammed goes
and nobdy knows like
Ayan Hirsi Ali.
OK, sorry, YOU do better.
at May 17, 2007 12:08 PM
Here's the State Department reply:
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Has Secretary Rice been informed of Egyptian Pres. Mubarark's statements on Hamas & Peace?
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at May 17, 2007 12:10 PM
WHAT??!?!??!?!? SHOCKING!!!!
Posted by: Miss_Anthrope at May 17, 2007 12:14 PM
"Mubarak: Hamas Will Never Make Peace"
War strategists need no longer wonder what to do at this point. See button. Push button. Push button again.
Now the headline reads: "Hamas Will Never Make War Again!"
at May 17, 2007 12:18 PM
This is more dicey than it looks.
Mubarak is widely believed to be a Tool of the West, an apostate, infidel, heretic, etc...
His disapproval of Hamas' insanity will be viewed as some as more proof that he is on the wrong side of this conflict.
Sooner or later, these people are going to have to make some choices that are going to be even harder than coming up with creative new ways to blame Israel/America for the messes they keep finding themselves in.
Posted by: Snippet at May 17, 2007 12:26 PM
'United We stand divided we fall'. This has been the glue, more or less, that has held the US together for a couple of hundred years. It has also held Islam together. The opposite is 'divide and conquor', a tactic used against the US by Islam and other internal forces. Every effort must be made to exploit divisions in Islam, Sunni, shi'ite, ect, religious wedges should be pounded in, any divisive methods possible are fair game.
Hamas and the whole 'Package of 'Palestinian' troublemakers, need to be discontinued. Dividing and conquoring seems to be the way to go...
at May 17, 2007 12:46 PM
The link to the story is no good.
Posted by: TheRegulator at May 17, 2007 12:48 PM
"With Hamas no way," he reportedly said."
Give Egypt Gaza and the West bank. Let them deal with Hamas -- like they deal with desenters in Egypt.
Hamas will beg for Israel.
Posted by: rational at May 17, 2007 12:53 PM
To expand on what snippet said, I am sure that Egypt would like to use Israel to roll on Gaza to take out a supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood. Heck, they may even be proding Israel to do this behind closed doors.
However, on the world stage, they will be decrying Israel's use of force in order to brush up on Mubarak's Muslim bonifides and butress Egypt's regime against the Islamists at home.
This situation will be simular to that which Israel found itself during last year's month-long conflict in Lebonon, where all the Arab Sunni states where secretely rooting for Israel while vilifying Israel in the press.
Israel is in a dilly of a pickle, damned if you do and damned if you don't, but on the plus side, Egypt will not get involved openly in a miltarily fashion, when the expected battle commences.
Posted by: npabga at May 17, 2007 1:13 PM
As we know, or should know (see, for examples, the numerous essays by Hugh Fitzgerald regarding Abbas, the "moderate," and his support for slow jihad, far more insidious than Hamas's forthright advocacy of fast jihad and the quick, immediate destruction of Israel), Abbas and his followers are not preferable to Hamas. No peace with Israel is possible with either faction. Hamas, at least, is open about its intention to destroy the infidel Jewish state. If only our policy makers would learn something about Islam, and its irredentist imperative regarding land formerly within dar al-Islam. Fools.
Posted by: commonsense at May 17, 2007 1:16 PM
npabga - if Israel gets the back channel go-ahead they should prosecute with extreme prejudice while they have a chance.
They'll be damned for whatever they do, but if they can destroy threats while doing so they should. They will always be damned, but they might avoid being harmed ( for a while )
Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at May 17, 2007 1:19 PM
"Hamas will never sign a peace agreement with Israel if it stays in power..."
-- from the article above
Also sprach Mubarak, who is most concerned about:
1) His Family-and-Friends plan, and how to ease in glossy-haired, tassel-loafered Gamal as next pharoah to receive American largesse.
2) The Shi'ites who so unsettle Mubarak, and worry Abdullah of Jordan, and even more so -- because of the Shi'a in the oil-bearing Eastern Province -- the daggers-and-dishdashas Al-Saud -- need to be cut back down to size.
Of course the Sunni Arabs themselves can't and won't push back the Shi'a. They can't destroy Iran's nuclear project. Furthermore, much as they hate the "Persian Shi'a," the idea that Infidels could be allowed to prevent Muslims, even the most awful of Muslims, from acquiring nice nuclear weapons, is a very disturbing idea, and there is no doubt that such an attack will lead to shrill cries after the fact, and demands that "now you really have alienated the world's Muslims, and the only way to get back in our good graces is to push Israel back to the 1967 lines and let us take it from there." And there are people in the American government dumb or malevolent enough, or both, to believe it, and act on it.
Meanwhile, however, Mubarak needs the Americans to deal with the Shi'a, those meretricious Shi'a -- say, doesn't Al Qaeda in Iraq have a point when it calls them "Rafidite dogs"? -- those who betrayed Baghdad to Hulegu (yes, they did, the Shi'a and the Jews did it together -- Sunnis know all about that, you know), those who have those absurd self-flagellating rites and all those saints and martyrs and so on (why, at Ashura time they almost make one embarrassed to be a Muslim).
If those pathetic Shi'a managed to inveigle the policymakes of Uncle Sap to get rid of Saddam Hussein and dissolve the Sunni-run army, surely we Sunni Arabs of Egypt, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia, all described formulaically in the American press as "America's staunch allies," can figure out how to get the Americans to remain in Iraq for a few more years. Yes, let's be hysterical on the subject of a Shi'a crescent the very idea of which should make American flesh creep. Let's tell them they simply have to bring the Sunnis back to some kind of power, simply have to make Baghdad safe for the Sunnis, simply have to round up or kill many of the Shi'a militia members. They'll fall for it. Tell them it's that, otherwise its Al Qaeda all over the place, Al Qaeda from the Syrian border to the Iranian border, from the Turkish border right down to Umm Qasr. They'll believe it. After all, it's exactly what at this point the Bush Administration uses in its last, desperate attempt to justify its folly, and to play things out for the next administration. Say, would you like to be running things when it comes time to withdraw those troops safely from Iraq? Of course you wouldn't. And Bush doesn't. He's no fool. Not about rescuring himself, or having others do it, when he gets in a jam, he isn't. He's been doing it successfully for his entire adult life.
Meanwhile, the hotheads of Hamas simply don't understand. What's to understand. All they have to do is look at Egypt. We forced the Israelis, with lots of help from that "disinterested" mediator Jimmy Carter and the equally "disinterested" Zbigniew Brzezinski, to give up the entire Sinai, in three slices, together with three major airfields, oil fields, and sixteen billion dollars in other infrastructure. And what did Israel get? It got promises that Egypt would try to encourage friendly relations between both governments, and both peoples, of Egypt and Israel, would do everything to discourage "hostile propaganda." Well, can't Hamas turn on Egyptian television, or read the Egyptian press, or do any number of things to find out whether or not we fulfilled those promises? Don't those boys learn anything? And people call me thick.
What do they think Al-Hudaibiyya was all about? They claim to revere Muhammad even more than the rest of us. Well? What would Muhammad do? We know what he would do. He'd be with Fatah. He said "war is deception." Abbas knows that. But then Abbas also puts on a coat and tie, and a mild demeanor. Works wonders with the Infidels. Fools them every time.
These are some of the thoughts Mubarak must be thinking -- though he's not another Lincoln -- and they are thoughts of Fatah, and would be those of Hamas too, if its members....only had a brain.
at May 17, 2007 1:23 PM
Addendum to my post: Mubarak, while correctly understanding that Hamas poses a threat to him because of its alliance with the Muslim Brotherhood, is also well aware that he must support Abbas for appearances sake. He knows, and fully supports, Abbas's policy of slow jihad against Israel, as this is the best type of jihad to wage against the infidel state, the state of despised Jews who have the audacity - against, to be sure, the will of Allah - to reclaim and rule over territory that rightfully belongs, in perpetuity, to Muslims. Abbas, Mubarak knows, prefers, as Mubarak does, to offer a facade of moderation in order to achieve not only the ultimate goal of destroying Israel, inexorably, by pressuring it to cede more and more territory, but also to spur the resumption of the flow of infidel money from the USA and the EU.
Posted by: commonsense at May 17, 2007 1:33 PM
And that is why I predicted last year and posted here yesterday that Arabs, Judeans, Europeans and Americans have signed off on a kill zone war to wipe certain sects out as democracy with communist Hamas did not work.
No one likes the neo Syrian Philistines in that region as they are antagonisitic to everyone, so they solution will be a war to kill them.
Whether one agrees or likes it, this is what will happen.
Posted by: Lame Cherry at May 17, 2007 1:33 PM
A_Plague_on_Both_Houses: I agree with what you've written. The final and greatest deciding factor in Israel's policy decisions should be based on security. That trumps all.
Lame Cherry: This is why I used to strongly support democracy in the M.E. if these Sharia loons are voted into power, it makes it all the easier to get rid of them, since they will be visible, and it is not like the population who voted in these 7th century rejects were innocent of the government's mandate.
Why I wouldn't be too heart broken if Turkey where to turn Islamist. This should put a definite end to the NATO membership and the EU talk. I've also felt that its secularism reinforced and ossified Islamic supremacy over other religious groups. Now I wouldn't be saying that I think secularism should be tossed out. Secularism must be imposed on Islam if it is to have a semblance of moderation (much like a fresh coat of paint will hide the fact that a house is filled with mold and cockroaches). No at its current stage, secularism in Turkey is flawed with regards to the religious minorities and this should be fixed. And at this stage, it can't ever be fixed.
However, now I am ambivalent to democracy in the M.E. as a means to an end of destroying political Islam. The main reason is because even if the religious goons get into power, we will do nothing (see Iran, Hamas, and more to come).
The above paragraph alludes to the fact that good ideas won't work if they are not part of a larger strategy. For example, Hugh's leave-Iraq-to-weaken-the-house-of-Islam strategy. It is a good idea in a vacuum, one I support, but it is not applicable in today’s world where our governments do not recognize the danger of Islam. The US has already admitted 7,000 Palestinian refugees from Iraq, and this is the first drop of the torrent. Now admittedly this deluge of Muslims will happen if we withdraw tomorrow or 3 years from now, but without laws to block Muslim immigration, we have lost.
at May 17, 2007 2:18 PM
This may be the first time I heard him speak the truth! LIARS!! See, they never ever intended too!
Posted by: MZ at May 17, 2007 2:20 PM
They said on Fox now the Palestinians are fighting the Palestinians. More like Irainians fighting the Arabs to blow up Israel! Murbarak knew from the beginning he had an impossible job! Every time Irag is looking unstable-like we might leave-even I connect it to the three soldiers taken hostage, watch out they get hostile in Palestine! Or if they need to help deter for Iran! Problem is where is Rice now? While everyone is frozen and hiding we all are hostages! How long and to what degree will we let them continue to be hostile?! Someone should speak up! Have an outcry! Good people are always so good! To quite! It is not our humanity to spill blood and wage war on anyone! Till they have taken so many lifes and have become such a threat! They are a threat! Have been so long! Where is the peace Mubarak promised! He should be fired immediately!
Posted by: MZ at May 17, 2007 2:42 PM
Palestine is a Dead idea. Gaza goes back to Egypt. West bank goes back to Jordan. The king of Jordan is named protector of Islamic holy sights.
Posted by: Ruebacca at May 17, 2007 3:25 PM
Mubarak and his fellow muslim dictators understand the dangers of islamists, but the use them at the same time to shake down the US and Europe from their money tree. now that hammas is stronger and its allies, the hizboys Mubarak will be fighting for his life. looks good on him.
Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at May 17, 2007 5:20 PM
Mubarak has a gift for understatement...lol.
I take it he just NOW made that deduction?
Of course it won't make peace...nor will hazbollah, or any other islamist party, country, or entity like al-qaeda.
Only when pigs fly...ooops, forget the pigs part.
lol
at May 17, 2007 6:36 PM
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