Now here's where Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson could meaningfully step in and remind blacks of their significant contributions to America and keep them from engaging in more destructive behavior.

Posted by: 3812Michelle at May 21, 2007 11:47 AM

It will be interesting to see the reactions of these Black converts when they discover exactly how NOI is perceived by the ummah. At par with Bahai and Ahmadiya, except that their members don't live in an Islamic country.

Send all those Jew hating NOI members to Gaza, and there, let them figure out the tolerance that Hamas has for such deviant sects. Should put paid to their activity.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at May 21, 2007 11:48 AM

"Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson"

Bwaaahahahahahahaha....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at May 21, 2007 11:59 AM

I don't understand why African-Americans seem to ignore the racism inherent in islam.

Straight from the "reliable" hadith collection of Bukhari:

Volume 9, Book 89, Number 256:
Narrated Anas bin Malik:

Allah's Apostle said, "You should listen to and obey, your ruler even if he was an Ethiopian (black) slave whose head looks like a raisin."

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/089.sbt.html

Posted by: del at May 21, 2007 11:59 AM

You really should put the Ed Hussein article up on Jihad Watch to show exactly how blacks are treated in Saudi Arabia. The Arabs actually find it amusing that black women regularly scour trash cans to find food and shelter for themselves and children.

Posted by: DavidE at May 21, 2007 12:06 PM

"I want blacks in America to know that we are waging jihad to lift oppression from all mankind."

Just as they are lifting oppression from blacks in Africa?

Notice that he says lifting oppression from MANKIND, obviously doesn't apply to black women.

Oprah in a burqa anyone?

Posted by: KaliforniaKafir at May 21, 2007 12:07 PM

"I want blacks in America to know that we are waging jihad to lift oppression from all mankind," said al-Zawahri

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Clearly these idiots have no concept of the word "oppression". big suprise when all you know how to do is read and memorize the Quran.

Oprresion is getting whipped and beaten for flying a KITE! oppression is making women , under the pain of death or violence hide completely under Black bedsheets. oppression is forcing your religion and violent cult on the rest of the freethinking world. someone needs to send these morons a Dictionary wrapped up nice in a 500 pound bomb.

The only cure for MO's disease of the soul is fire

Posted by: MoBlows at May 21, 2007 12:09 PM

I don't know about your plan Al-Zawacky. I think its just more of the closeminded hopes of underdeveloped national muslims like Arabs, Pakistanis, etc. hoping that the all encompassing ummah will unite to kill the white American.

You can see this narrowminded thinking if you surf youtube for the jihadist postings where islamists often post footage of chopper downings.

In one such thread the islamists were taunting a poster with a Latino name who was obviously US miliary. The comments of the islamists were along the lines of "How does it feel to be a wetback for the Americans?" A Latino name could be third or fourth generation American name, he could speak with a thick Texas drawl or a Minnesotan accent for all they know.

But these islamists are in countries that are so arabized, so monocultural because of all the genocide and driving others out that they have no idea how well integrated other societies are.

That said, I could see them getting Somalis with US citizenship to do something like this...because they are obviosly not integrated nor do they want to be.

Posted by: GreatShaitan at May 21, 2007 12:09 PM

Now here's where Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson could meaningfully step in and remind blacks of their significant contributions to America and keep them from engaging in more destructive behavior.
Posted by: 3812Michelle

That's a good one!

Posted by: Allahfanculo at May 21, 2007 12:18 PM

Am I persona non grata?
I've had every one of my posts deleted this morning. Even my posts in Friday's thread "Refutin on a Friday Afternoon" (one of which Hugh evidently approved of since he restated it facetiously claiming it to be from Carlisle) has been removed.

What's up? Is it me? This site. Should I take my islamophobia elsewhere?

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at May 21, 2007 12:25 PM

Oh and let them be reminded the blessings of islam include the following:

1. Church bombings and beheading of Christians
- Bound to go over really well in the South.

2. Forget about BBQ and Beer.

3. No more Freaknik and similar events.

4. Orpah in a burka sounds like a good idea on
first thought.
- even better if it came with a muzzle.

But you can count on all other women thrown
into these black garbage bags as well.

5. There's loads of other bad things that come
with islam - famously its immanent racism.

So recruit away.. islamo-boys!

Posted by: Allahfanculo at May 21, 2007 12:26 PM

Do these recruits realize that rap and hip hop are against allah? Or that all of their vidoes on mtv would be banned?

Posted by: GamblersChoice at May 21, 2007 12:44 PM

ask the "Black convert to be" about "Dafur", ask him to look at the slave traders from arab lands, ask him why slaves still exists in muslim lands. just ask a few good questions that is all you need to do.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at May 21, 2007 12:49 PM

Say, why isn't Al-Qaeda or another group doing anything in the US? It can't be that hard to launch small suicide attacks, like blowing yourself up at McDonald's.

Posted by: Jesus Christ Supercop at May 21, 2007 12:54 PM

It is obvious by now that among the chief targets of well-financed and well-planned campaigns of Da'wa in the United States are black prisoners. The Muslims converting them include not only the tireless "chaplains" who are paid by the Infidel state, and behind that state by Infidel taxpayers, who are paying, that is, for one of the main instruments of Jihad, but also individual black Muslim prisoners, who put pressure of all kinds, and not without success, on others. Some "convert" because it means they will have an instant group of supporters, "brothers," part of the umma al-islamiyya. Some convert because Islam is presented to them, falsely, as an instrument of
"social justice" -- all one has to do is look at Arab and Muslim countries, and the disparities of wealth even greater than the disparities that are now present in our own, malgoverned country. For while in this country those who have wealth aspire to run for office, even spending large fortunes to win, not to acquire more wealth but because they like the prominence, the fame, the celebritydom, they like having something to do, and furthermore, their desire for that power and fame can be piously presented as nothing more than a praiseworthy desire to "give something back" or to "engage in public service."

But the Al-Saud, the Al-Thani, the Al-Sabah, the Al-Maktoum families are not ruling their countries in order "to give something back" but to seize a large share of the sheikdom's or country's wealth for themselves, and their most extended families. In Egypt, Mubarak owes his wealth, and that of his family and courtiers, to his political power. Ditto with Qaddafy, with the rulers in Algeria, with Abdullah of Jordan, with all the despots, full and semidemihemi, who rule in Muslim countries.

And finally, as a subset of the "Islam as a vehicle of social justice" line, of Islam, that is, as the new vehicle for expressing the kind of alienation and attacks on "The System" that were once entrusted to the now-discredited Marxism, there is the further belief that Islam is somehow less "racist" than Christianity.

But that, too, is false. The history of the Arab slave trade in black Africa goes back much further, lasts much longer (lasts until today, in fact, for Arabs enslave blacks in the Sudan, in Mali, and elsewhere in the Arabian Peninsula), and was much deadlier, for the Arab slave traders were most interested in young boys as slaves, who would be castrated on site, even deep in the bush, and whoever managed to survive the trip, by slave coffle and dhow, to the slave-markets of Islam, would then be sold -- and only about 10% of those castrated, according to Jan Hogedorn (see "The Hideous Trade") did survive that journey. Any American who has studied Arabic in Cairo, or Damascus, cannot but have been struck by the open racism, the contempuous references to blacks. Anyone who reads the papers knows how the black African refugees (as from Darfur) have been treated in Cairo, and some have managed to flee to safety in...Israel. Their testimony, as to the diffrences in the treatment they received in Muslim lands, and then in Israel, are convincing and overwhelming.

The Muslim Arabs hold out Islam as a faith with universalist claims. But it is, as one can easily show, and as many former Muslims now apostates have shown, is in fact a vehicle for Arab supremacism. The convert (or "revert" for we are all, according to Muslims, originally born Muslims and fall away from the true faith) ideally takes an Arab name and Arab identity (and some even take on fake genealogies, as in Pakistan with its "Sayeeds," a name assumed only by descendants from the tribe of the Prophet). Until recently they had to read the Qur'an only in Arabic; madrasa students still are forced to memorize the Qur'an in Arabic even if they don't know the language. Non-Arab Muslims turn towar Arabia, toward Mecca, five times a day, to reinforce the message. They are inculcated with the idea that a seventh-century Arab, Muhammad, is to be their guide in all things -- uswa hasana, al-insan al-kamil -- and that, furthermore, the mores of seventh-century Arabia are the ideal mores for everywhere, for all time.

All of this can be shown. The falsity of the idea that Islam is a vehicle for social justice, when in fact it acts to promote submission to despotism, as long as the ruler is a Muslim. Political legitimacy is located not in the expressed will of the people, but in the will expressed by Allah in the Qur'an, as glossed for many Sunnis by the Hadith and the Sira. Everywhere in the Muslim world there are despots. The only semi-democracy among the Muslim countries is Turkey, because of eighty years of systematic Kemalist constraints placed on Islam, and Lebanon, no doubt because of the civilizing influence of a large minority -- only a few decades ago a clear majority -- of Christians.
Otherwise, it is the despotism of monarchs, or of generals, or of enlightened strong-men, as the successors of Bourguiba in Tunisia can be called, for continuning to constrain Islam.

The Arab slave trade which continues to the present day, the cruel racism of the Arabs on display in the mass-murders of black Africnas in the southern Sudan (2 million victims) and in Darfur (400,000, and counting) are part of this story. They Libyan lynch-mobs that killed black Africans -- even strunk up a diplomat from Chad -a few years ago, the mistreatment of Muslim black Africans in Egypt during the past two years, the Muslim Arab role in killing a million Ibo villagers during the Biafra War, when Col. Ojukwu tried to defend the south against what he rightly called a "Jihad," all of this, and much more, could be made known to the very targets of Da'wa campaigns.

And so could the use of Islam as a vehicle for Arab supremacism And then, of course, there are other things not known about Islam by the naive converts who listen to a siren-song, and then sign up, without reading the fine print, or without really knowing much of anything -- indeed, Muslim missionaries are careful not to tell would-be converts too much, but to get them to recite the Shehada, to then smother them, for a few months, with constant and flattering attention, and only very slowly, to let them know, and only on a kind of need-to-know basis, a little more about Islam. What other religion tries to inveigle people into reciting a single line and then declaring that they are now full-fledged members of such-and-such a faith, and meanwhle deliberately withholds almost everything of importance about the faith, all the things that make it so dangerous, and so unpleasant, for all non-Muslims?

Finally, why are these targets of Da'wa not informed about the Muslim view of representational art, of music, of free and skeptical inquiry? Why are they not told that Islam stunts the mental growth, because it discourages thought, thought that might lead to skepticism about Islam, and in so doing, prevents the kind of habit of inquiry that is so necessary for the enterprise of science?

Where are the campaigns of counter-Da'wa? Where? Or is the whole effort being put into this stupidly-named "war on terror" and winning hearts, winning minds, so as to "defeat the insurgency" -- and did you know, General Petraeus and others tell us, that "on average insurgencies last ten years" -- in Tarbaby Iraq?

Campaigns of Counter-Da'wa, now, all over the Western world, all over the non-Western Infidel world, should be undertaken, should be well-financed, should be intelligently led, right now. Not in ten years. Not in five years.

Now.

Posted by: Hugh at May 21, 2007 12:56 PM

A posting from February 4, 2006:

Fitzgerald: Black Americans and Islamic Da'wa

"Given Islam’s record on slavery, black Americans should think twice about converting. And there are other considerations. Islam does not permit music, though here and there folk music has been allowed. But music having to do with religious worship is absolutely forbidden. When black Americans convert, they are throwing out all of Gospel music, doubly wicked in Muslim eyes: the music itself is forbidden, and this particular church music takes its texts from Old Testament stories (stories involving Jews, and the Promised Land). It is curious that real Muslims regarded (and may still regard) Elijah Muhammad's Black Muslims as not the real thing, partly because of the claims made on behalf of Elijah Muhammad himself, and partly because of the music that occasionally was allowed (and may still be) at certain gatherings of followers.
When black Americans discard Christianity for the sake of Islam, because they are fooled into believing that Islam is somehow the correct vehicle of protest, they manifest ignorance of the whole horrible Arab slave trade. That trade began earlier and ended (where it did end) later than the European slave trade. Also, it was, because it involved the castration on site of so many black African children, much greater in scope. The mortality rate was something like 90%, so that only 1 out of 10 black male children seized and castrated by the Arab slavers actually made it to the slave markets of Riyadh, Cairo, Baghdad, Damascus, Algiers, Istanbul, and similar centers of Islam. See "The Hideous Trade" by Jan Hogedoorn.

Those Afro-Americans who are made the obvious target of a campaign of Da'wa (as are immigrants from Latin America), and who choose to embrace Islam, are unwittingly, with that "reversion" to Islam (one in which they are seldom presented with the full meaning, or texts, of Islam), also turning their back on, discarding, jettisoning, the place of Biblical imagery and of the Bible in the history of black America. Decades ago, when the Black Muslims first got started (and because of Elijah Muhammad's own claims, and other doctrinal irregularities, Arab Muslims never considered them to be "real Muslims" and even today are contemptuous of "Black Muslims" as opposed to "black Muslims"), much was made of their ability to supposedly "straighten people" out -- have them wear coats and ties, give up drugs and alcohol, and so on. Well, perhaps. But what it also did is cause them to abandon their entire pre-Islamic history, and to thus sever ties with their own past, their own relatives who remained Christians or part of a Christian or Judeo-Christian tradition.

Finally, let's talk about racism. Anyone who has spent even a week in the Arab states of the Gulf, or taken a summer course in Arabic in Cairo or Damascus, knows that the most racist, most skin-color aware societies on earth, are those of the Arabs -- despite all the talk of a "universalist" religion. One student of my acquaintance, who had taken courses with, and been brainwashed by, Bruce Lawrence of Duke University, to regard Islam as a great thing, then spent a summer in an Arab country. He came back completely disabused -- no greater racists, he insisted, had he ever met in his life. He was from rural South Carolina.
Why this information is not more widely written about in the press, including the black press, by black ministers who should try to hold onto their flocks and not let wanderers be seduced by the siren-song of Islam, which for more than a thousand years has meant nothing but kidnapping followed by enslavement or death at the hands of Arab slavers, is beyond me. And even today Arabs continue to show their contempt and hatred for blacks, not only in the enslavement of black Africans by Arabs in Mali and Mauritania, but by the Libyan mobs that attacked black African students and lynched a black diplomat a few years ago; by the Moroccans who have been known to deal with black African migrant workers by taking them and dropping them in the middle of the desert with no possible way of survival; and of course by the behavior of that member in good standing of the Arab League, the government of the Sudan, which over 20 years, killed or starved to death nearly 2 million black Africans in the southern Sudan, with survivors often enslaved. Ask Francis Bok, ask all the "Lost Boys" now in the United States. Now they have extended their genocidal campaign to fellow Muslims in Darfur -- fellow Muslims, but black Africans, and so dispensable. As the Egyptian Zaki Badawi recently said, "they were not real Muslims." And that was the end of his comment -- apparently that was enough for him to lose any interest in their being victims of mass murder.

There's much more to add. But the Islamic Da’wa campaign in America involves the clever targeting of blacks. The Boston Mosque was placed right across from Roxbury Community College, and part of the "deal" was for the mosque members to offer "free lectures" to students at Roxbury Community College and 2,500 "books on Islam" (you can guess which kind) for the college's library. In other words, the Mosque's backers were planning on using it as a center for conducting Da'wa among the black population of Boston. One wonders if the Rev. Eugene Rivers, or other ministers, have taken note of the history of Islam, of the tenets of Islam, of the menace of Islam to the wellbeing of those whom they instruct and guide and elevate and offer solace to.

Begin with slavery. Slavery was implicitly recognized by the American Constitution. But it is so no longer. Fortunately, the Constitution has always been subject both to formal modification (amendments)through the express will of the people, and to judicial interpretation ("It is a constitution we are expounding" wrote Chief Jusice Marshall in Marbury v. Madison). There is no way to modify the passages in Qur'an, the sayings and acts of Muhammad in the Hadith and Sira, that allow, permit, even offer rules for, the institution of slavery. Muhammad himself, and his Companions, owned slaves -- the slaves taken in battle. It is not possible, therefore, for any Believer to denounce slavery as a moral evil, for that would be to condemn Muhammad. And he is uswa hasana, the Model for All Mankind. So it just can't be done.

Within recent months, lest anyone forget, a leading Saudi imam wrote that slavery is an essential part of Islam, recognized and accepted, and to abandon that idea is an insult to Islam. Believers know, though they will not always talk about (they are engaged in deception about the nature of Islam, concious or semi-conscious, round-the-clock -- sometimes not only to Infidels, but even to themselves), the fact that under Islam, slavery has a place that cannot be denied. Slavery has received permanent textual justification -- and those texts, deemed sacred by Believers, are also immutable.

Black Americans, like other Americans, like Infidels everywhere, who because of the actions of Muslims themselves, and despite the efforts of the political leaders in the Western world to repeat pious nonsense about the real nature of Islam, are beginning to realize that as a vehicle for the expression of discontent, Islam is not exactly ideal. For Islam represents the greatest successful imperialism -- Arab imperialism -- in human history. After those it directly conquered in the Middle East and North Africa and Hindustan, the greatest victims have so far not been white Europeans, but black Africans, hideously seized, castrated, dragged to the Muslim slave markets by coffle and dhow, with 90% of them dying on the way. Islam demands that converts ("reverts") simply regard with indifference or hostility their entire non-Islamic past. That leaves the non-Arab convert alone -- with no music, no art, no history, with essentially nothing but Islam.

There are many available vehicles of protest -- of expressing, articulately, discontent or dismay. The ballot box is possibly the best. There are ways to protest effectively things as they are, including the cult of Growth and of the "free market" as the answer to everything, and the grotesque elevation of Homo Economicus, Economic Man, narrowly conceived, as the new Golden Calf. It is possible to be enraged by illegitimate disparities of wealth (and nowhere are such disparities of wealth more obvious than within the Arab Muslim lands). But Islam is not a vehicle of protest. Rather, it is an expression of total alienation, of giving up entirely from the circumambient society, and cutting oneself off from one's history. And practitioners of Da'wa in this country have, it should be obvious, certain identifiable target populations, starting with black Americans -- especially those in prisons, for whom a center of stability and cultural life has been the church. Causing people to cut themselves off from that center of black life and culture would cruelly do more than merely "change their faith." It might just possibly undo them altogether, leaving them as recruits for the Army of Islam, deliberately alienated from their own past.

It is important to keep in mind the nature of Islam as a vehicle of Arab supremacism, of cultural and linguistic imperialism as well as of economic and poltical imperialism. Look at the historic treatment of black Africas by Arabs -- look at the slave entrepot of Zanzibar, the seizure even today of black oil wealth in the Sudan, the massacres of the Ibos in the Biafra War by Egyptian pilots strafing villages, the history of Arab slavers over a thousand years, and the open, rampant racism of Arab societies, which so surprised and horrified Eldridge Cleaver during his stay in Algeria. Those attitudes of racism, that use of Islam as a vehicle for Arab supremacism -- not only against black Africans, but also against Kurds, Berbers, and all other non-Arab Muslims as well -- should be the object of careful study, by all those who are tempted by the siren-song of Islam. And the long history of Arab enslavement of black Africans that continues to the present day and has no end, should not be put out of sight, or out of mind."

[Posted by Hugh at February 4, 2006 06:59 AM]

Posted by: Hugh at May 21, 2007 1:14 PM

Perhaps our doctor-turned-terrorist-turned-racial enforcer would like to tell the world that the Arabic word for 'black person' is the same as the Arabic word for 'slave.' (It's true). Curious.

Apparently in al-Qaeda's view, it is not possible for a person of the caucasian race living in North America to be oppressed in any way. Every time a non-white in the United States experiences some sort of personal problem, it has got to be a right-wing conspiracy masterminded by those whites colluding with those Jews. Time to hire those African-American sucide bombers, says bin Looney Tunes! That will make everything right!

al-Qaeda does NOT want the blacks to know the historical fact that slavery in the United States had been established not be the American people but by mercenaries of the British Empire in the North American colonies during the 1600s, and had been inherited by the American people before their nation's birth or that slavery was practiced by a minority of the US population and was opposed by the majority (the Confederate states held only 26% of the US total population). Or that the Unted States ended the international slave trade in African people in 1807. 600,000 Americans lost their lives putting an end to the slavery that had actually been started by the Europeans over a century before their nation was founded. Who would al-Qaeda be to judge America on ANYTHING?

The greatest irony of all is that it was the Arab MUSLIMS who most enabled the African slave trade in the seventeenth century, resulting in the wretched practice of institutionalized slavery of the blacks in the New World. Does any Arab EVER apologize for having been part of this chapter in history??? (Of course not).

Black people everywhere should be outrged at the Muslims' intellectual dishonesty on this issue!

Posted by: pythagoras at May 21, 2007 1:22 PM

"Al-Qaida is aggressively recruiting black Americans for suicide operations"

They are aggressively "exploiting" black Americans, because Al-Qaida really doesn't care how they've been oppressed.

Posted by: champ at May 21, 2007 1:30 PM

For some reason "tarbaby Iraq" ends up being posted on every subject including African Americans which for those sensitive to racial historical overtones is something this site needs to watch.
"Tarbaby" in current African American street vocabulary is every bit as forbidden as the "N" word or what Don Imus was fired over. It is pure hate speech to even be associated with anything to do with blacks.
This site needs to police itself.

For the real subject of blacks, they are a people who are not all one race nor as liberals try to paint them as all one Jesse Jackson speaks for all.
Zawahiri has as I noted made a huge mistake in going into a 1960's time warp in thinking America is still Malcolm X Islam in the same Helter Skelter which Charles Manson failed at in a race war.

Zawahiri exposes al Qaeda's complete failure in not only Iraq in recruitment, but in bin Laden not getting one America to convert to Islam and more importantly not one American Muslim has fled the America in his warnings.
He also has no comprehension that American blacks are 3 distinct cultures and are in not any way a reflection of Sudanese or other modern African Muslims.

Africans as a people have shown a distinct operational mentality of being fighters and not the type so miserable like Middle Eastern Muslim bent on suicide. Zawahiri has shown complete ignorance in not understanding that like Jackson, Sharpton and Farrakhan they are interested in being king like bin Laden and Zawahiri, but African Americans as a whole do not have a tendency to be subective to a master complex like Middle Eastern Muslims as they threw off the shackles in 1865 and work daily to overcome yet.

Zawahiri will run up against the Nation of Islam who is not going to die for rich Arabs, rich Egyptians nor rich any race. His call for this type of ethnic war will not have any growth as African Americans as a whole are very adept at making the American system work to their advantage so have no reason to blow it up.

Posted by: Lame Cherry at May 21, 2007 1:31 PM

As with women, the same goes for all blacks - why would any of them even consider joining a religion that looks at them as animals, or less than other muslims. This is one of the groups of people that Saudi Arabia, and probably other richer muslims in other countries, still pull slaves from.

I have seen an increase in the number of blacks sporting the muslim beanie in Oakland. And there is no way to tell by looking at a person if they are ex-cons. Most of the ones I am seeing are older guys - which could mean they are ex-cons who put in quite a bit of time in prison - but who knows?! They are not doing anything wrong - just waiting for buses, or playing a trombone (yeah, like the taliban would like that!), or just walking. It all makes my skin crawl to know that people are that stupid to buy into a 'religion' that is so vile.

Posted by: R_not at May 21, 2007 1:33 PM

Was caught up in an anti-war protest a while back. Found myself talking to a little(white) hippie girl wearing a malcolm X t-shirt, and waving banner that said 9/11 was an inside job. I asked her if she knew how Malcolm X died. Got a blank stare in response.

Told her he was assasinated by radical muslims.

I really need to learn to keep my mouth shut when hitting on little hippie girls.

Posted by: attackcartoons at May 21, 2007 1:34 PM

The ultimate act of slavery a person of color (any color) can do is to blow themselves up for some Wahhabi supremist.
Or any supremist, extreemist, Islamist.
Allah is not the God of American blacks or any blacks. Allah will bind black converts, not with equality and brotherhood, but with heavy chains that weigh him down constantly, erode his manhood, and dull his humanity. Blacks in America should shun Islam as they would the plague. Islam has little to offer but false promise made by a false god. It represents 'submission', slavery in one of its most hideous forms. If more American blacks understood this, Zawahiri and Louis F. would get few recruits...

Posted by: duh_swami at May 21, 2007 1:36 PM

They can be The Raisin Head Brigade of Al-Qaeda.

In honor of the slaveholder Mohammad's scurrilous and demeaning description of blacks.

Posted by: profitsbeard at May 21, 2007 1:38 PM

or THe Whitey hating former black Americans brigade of Al-Qaeda....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at May 21, 2007 1:48 PM

Told her he was assasinated by radical muslims.

I really need to learn to keep my mouth shut when hitting on little hippie girls.
Posted by: attackcartoons

the education level on so many are below average, and especially history. l once surprised an American friend who was surprised to know that black
Africans sold other black Africans, and how arabs were the main slave traders, and even that more white European were sent into slavery than black Africans sent to the US by the Arabs. unfortunately l am sure Cdn history is pc and students are not learning this information anymore. yes even my favourite grade ten history teacher told us that islam was spread by the sword! that was the 70's and much l am sure is changed. our only hope is the curious will learn on their own via the internet. colleges/univ. are for the pc liberal minded.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at May 21, 2007 1:50 PM

They know their audience eats this up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qu9NdZYQA0
The video is not sympathetic to Khalid Muhammad but read the comments.

Posted by: interestinconundrum at May 21, 2007 2:20 PM

Historical note: Malcolm X decided once to go to Mecca for the Haj. The Saudi police grabed him at the airport and put him on a plane back to the U.S. He was expelled from Mecca because no non-Muslim is permitted in Mecca during the Haj.

Malcolm X, and Louis Farrakhan, for that matter, are not considered Muslims. Black Muslims have their own Prophet, Detroit born, Elijah Mohammad. It is not permitted to have a Prophet after Mohammad.

As for Black American suicide bombers: Black Americans eagerly buy into the fiction that they had some bogus Islamic past, but that is an identity thing. They want to identify with something that never was.

But, frankly, while American Blacks might play the Muslim game by adopting Arab dress, going to the Mosque, praying five times a day, memorizing a few words in Arabic, I don't think there'll be many takers when it comes to blowing themselves up for Allah. That would require a depth of belief I don't think they have. They'll leave that to the crazy Arabs.

Posted by: rational at May 21, 2007 2:40 PM

Ynkedoodl2

I don't recall seeing anything offensive from you. On Friday's post, you posted a good refutation on how the Bible is written in Hebrew & Aramaic, and the Gita was written in Sanskrit, and nobody had problems misunderstanding them when reading them in English. I don't see why that should have been deleted.

I agree that we shouldn't supply our enemies with ammo. It would however be helpful to know what constitutes 'ammo'. I've never seen it succinctly spelt out.

At any rate, please don't leave - unless one of the site owners explicitly asks you to.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at May 21, 2007 2:43 PM

Thanks Infidel Pride

Mr. Spencer kindly explained that he deleted my last twenty posts (sight unseen) because my two posts this morning were offensive and crude. I admit this morning's post were offensive, but I took issue with his removing my posts of Friday.

Oh well, nothing I can do.

I was peeved, but no, I'm not going away. I love this site and support it my whole heart and soul.

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at May 21, 2007 3:03 PM

From viewing videos of Nelson Mandela, I wonder if he is just a commie or a revert...?

Posted by: interestinconundrum at May 21, 2007 3:07 PM

MoBlows,

Keep in mind that Muslim use of the word "oppression" is primarily to highlight a state of resistance on behalf of infidels.

Oppression in this venacular = resistance towards islam, no conversion or jizya tribute. That's a declaration of war right there.

Posted by: We need G.C. Scott at May 21, 2007 3:08 PM

Ynkedoodle2...I have had posts deleted also, but I usually know why without asking. Sometimes I get just a little too carried away.
I dont actually think it's possible to get too carried away insulting Islam, and its cast of known characters, they deserve all the crud we can dump on them. But on the other hand RS and comp do have an interest in maintaining some order and decorum.
I have not read any of your posts that I would delete, but I did not see the ones in question.

Posted by: duh_swami at May 21, 2007 4:42 PM

thanks duh_swami

thanks for support. Your comment "I dont actually think it's possible to get too carried away insulting Islam, and its cast of known characters, they deserve all the crud we can dump on them" is exactly how I feel.

I had a funny feeling that I deserved the deletion. What was strange was not seeing my posts from Friday which were pretty tame. RS auto-deleted my last 20 posts, but in a following email suggested I might want to repost my Friday ("Refutin on a Friday Afternoon) posts. I have reposted them.

I'm going to try to clean up my potty mouth in future postings. However, sometimes, my I-phobia gets the best of me.

thanks Buddy!

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at May 21, 2007 5:02 PM

@ topic

They've been doing this for decades, so it's no surprise. Back then, anyone who exposed it was branded racist by race-baiting activists themselves...but that's another story.
You know it's bad when fellow citizens, friends, and neighbors, who also happen to be of african heritage, express grave concern about this issue.
At least now it's widespread "cause for concern"...better late than never.
Sad

Posted by: jcom972 at May 21, 2007 5:04 PM

OT comment from above

Re: tarbaby

I don’t see why this word should be considered offensive. It comes from a piece of literature which aptly describes the situation in Iraq.

In fact it appears to have come from Ghanaese African folklore
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tar_baby

To say that using ‘tarbaby’ to describe Iraq is offensive is sort of like saying the word 'gay' to describe a mood is offensive because of it’s modern connotations. Words have “ur” meanings that go beyond bigotry, people just need to get educated of that.

Posted by: GreatShaitan at May 21, 2007 5:04 PM

Satan's Scorched Earth Policy:

"If we continue to aspire to nothing more than diplomas, positions, salaries, pensions and the raising of our children, there will be nothing but humiliation in store for us, our children and our grandchildren," he argued. "If, on the other hand, we are happy with killing, captivity, emigration, losing one's spouse, orphanage, and losing one's wealth, homeland and beloved in the path of Allah, then with Allah's help, no power on the face of the earth can defeat us."

--Zawahiri

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at May 21, 2007 5:52 PM

I particularly note the word "emigration"...I read that as "invade".
Satan's probably laughing his @$$ off right now.

Posted by: jcom972 at May 21, 2007 6:07 PM

Curious to note that al-Z is asking for suicide bombers (and curious that he hasn't offered himself up as a role model to follow).

Suicide, suicide, suicide....what, pray tell, is the recruitment draw about killing yourself to kill others, instead of living to fight another day like any other military?

Unless, of course, you got an convenient, afterlife theology you can sell.

Posted by: yadayada at May 21, 2007 6:08 PM

rational-

Malcolm X left the Nation of Islam and became an "orthodox" Muslim, and did make the Hadj to Mecca.

Then returned home to be massacred by the Nation of Islam's hit men.

Posted by: profitsbeard at May 21, 2007 6:27 PM

He makes frequent references to what he calls the "martyr" Malcolm X

If anyone was a true martyr in the cause of civil rights for African-Americans, it's Martin Luther King Jr. But alas, al-Z doesn't mention him at all when sounding a call-to-arms uprising for American blacks. Does he think a martyr from a Christian background simply doesn't have as much punch? (rhetorical question)

Posted by: yadayada at May 21, 2007 6:46 PM

With the general lack of respect given to nearly everyone in rap music-I can definetly see Islam appealing to young black men especially. The culture is perfect for recruiting someone with no direction in their life.

Posted by: Barry at May 21, 2007 7:09 PM

Good point Barry...
...and the general lack of respect given those in such industry is because it is rightfully earned.

Those with no direction because, in turn, they have no life don't get that, because, again in turn, they're told it's everyone elses fault they're in the situation they're in...copycat tactics "it's the jews fault!" classic pied piper fashion.
I remember this pattern happened before, only that assclown's name was adolph hitler.

Posted by: jcom972 at May 21, 2007 7:50 PM

I agree that Al qaeda's call for black suicide bombers will yield little fruit. The blacks that do convert to islam, convert for self-serving reasons of racial pride. People so infused with cultural hubris, live for themselves, not for movements, and certainly not for ideas. Asking them to kill themselves is like asking them to shun egotism, vanity and narcissism. Those three qualities are intrinsic in post-modern, urban, male, African-American culture. Mohammad Ali was a perfect example. He wouldn't kill himself for any cause. He was too beautiful. He was the greatest.

Al-Z is barking up the wrong tree.

Posted by: jihadwatcher at May 21, 2007 10:23 PM

A couple of you guys beat me to it. I want to emphasize the fact that Malcolm X was most likely killed by other Muslims. I think Malcolm's wife accused Louis Farrakan of being in on it.

Malcolm X a martyr? No he is an example of Muslim violence and intolerance for differing opinions, and the eternal power struggle.

Posted by: Pelayo at May 21, 2007 10:28 PM

How about if Jackson and Sharpton heed the call and go and apply them explosive belts to themselves.This may even help the black community out.

But let us not forget our wonderful friend Farakahn,is this puss bag still alive?

He has the followers who would tend to heed this call. Losers just what islam thrives on.

Posted by: Dar al-harb at May 21, 2007 10:52 PM

These blatherings by the No. 2 guy in Al Qaeda merely serve to underscore how little they know about America and Americans. These Muslim infidels know much about American politics but little about Americans.

RNL
http://www.therealinfidels.com

Posted by: RNL at May 21, 2007 10:54 PM

"Am I persona non grata?
I've had every one of my posts deleted this morning. Even my posts in Friday's thread "Refutin on a Friday Afternoon" (one of which Hugh evidently approved of since he restated it facetiously claiming it to be from Carlisle) has been removed."

What's up? Is it me? This site. Should I take my islamophobia elsewhere?

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2

We would respond to this post but is it really here????

LOL

Robert ,Hugh YNKEDOODL2 has gotten the short end of the stick.he's been picked last three times in a row when choosing soft ball teams.His soda has been warm three times from getting it after everyone else.His pizza has been OVER 30 minutes and he hasn't gotten it for free being late.Someone got the last snickers out of the snack machine and he had to get the clarks bar (which was out of date).IS THERE NO COMPULSION in posting.

YNKEDOODLE2 is it possible that you have your computer settings on invisible ink?

Posted by: Dar al-harb at May 21, 2007 11:02 PM

Dar al-harb, what is your problem? Why shouldn't Hugh ask what's going on with his post deletions? If the same thing happened to you, wouldn't YOU inquire?

Your tone reminds me of very obnoxious teenage big brothers who have nothing better to do than tease their siblings and call them whiney babies cause it makes THEM feel so grown up.

Posted by: AmericanJewess at May 22, 2007 3:16 AM

I mean Ynkedoodle2, not Hugh.

Posted by: AmericanJewess at May 22, 2007 3:18 AM

"or THe Whitey hating former black Americans brigade of Al-Qaeda....

Posted by: exsgtbrown"

...HA...regarding my own words, on the Religion of Peace site , today is an article stating just this....Al-Qaeda calling for Black Americans to rise up against whitey....

....Black Muslims in America hate whitey, the black Muslims are very racist....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at May 22, 2007 8:57 AM

"How about if Jackson and Sharpton heed the call and go and apply them explosive belts to themselves.This may even help the black community out.
But let us not forget our wonderful friend Farakahn,is this puss bag still alive?
He has the followers who would tend to heed this call. Losers just what islam thrives on.

Dar al-harb,

Jesse Jackson would demand some monetary payment from his 72 virgins.

Farakahn girls would have to spend eternity listening to his obcene anti-semitic harangues, and charges of racism.

Sharpton's girls would cross their legs and blow themselves up on seeing him comming at them.

Posted by: rational at May 22, 2007 11:05 PM