Jihad Watch: "One in four" of U.S. Muslims under 30 "say suicide bombings to defend their religion are acceptable at least in some circumstances"

May 22, 2007

"One in four" of U.S. Muslims under 30 "say suicide bombings to defend their religion are acceptable at least in some circumstances"

Tiny Minority of Extremists Alert. "Some US Muslims justify suicide attacks," by Alan Fram for the Associated Press:

WASHINGTON - One in four younger U.S. Muslims say suicide bombings to defend their religion are acceptable at least in some circumstances, though most Muslim Americans overwhelmingly reject the tactic and are critical of Islamic extremism and al-Qaida, a poll says.

But what was their definition of "extremism?" The vagueness surrounding that question may explain much of the apparent contradiction between the numbers who support suicide bombings in some or many cases, the roughly 25 percent described below who "did not express an opinion" about al-Qaeda, and those who are "critical of Islamic extremism."

The survey by the Pew Research Center, one of the most exhaustive ever of the country's Muslims, revealed a community that in many ways blends comfortably into society. Its largely mainstream members express nearly as much happiness with their lives and communities as the general public does, show a broad willingness to adopt American customs, and have income and education levels similar to others in the U.S.

Even so, the survey revealed noteworthy pockets of discontent.

While nearly 80 percent of U.S. Muslims say suicide bombings of civilians to defend Islam can not be justified, 13 percent say they can be, at least rarely.

That sentiment is strongest among those younger than 30. Two percent of them say it can often be justified, 13 percent say sometimes and 11 percent say rarely.

"It is a hair-raising number," said Radwan Masmoudi, president of the Washington-based Center for the Study of Islam and Democracy, which promotes the compatibility of Islam with democracy.

He said most supporters of the attacks likely assumed the context was a fight against occupation — a term Muslims often use to describe the conflict with Israel.

U.S. Muslims have growing Internet and television access to extreme ideologies, he said, adding: "People, especially younger people, are susceptible to these ideas."

Federal officials have warned that the U.S. must be on guard against homegrown terrorism, as the British suffered with the London transit bombings of 2005.

Even so, U.S. Muslims are far less accepting of suicide attacks than Muslims in many other nations. In surveys Pew conducted last year, support in some Muslim countries exceeded 50 percent, while it was considered justifiable by about one in four Muslims in Britain and Spain, and one in three in France.

Tiny Minority of "Crazies" Alert:

"We have crazies just like other faiths have them," said Eide Alawan, who directs interfaith outreach at the Islamic Center of America in Dearborn, Mich., one of the nation's largest mosques. He said killing innocent people contradicts Islam.

Andrew Kohut, Pew director, said in an interview that support for the attacks represented "one of the few trouble spots" in the survey.

At a later news conference, he said much of that support could be attributed to age because the findings were consistent with numerous other surveys showing young people more inclined to violence and to support wars.

The poll briefly describes the rationales for and against "suicide bombing and other forms of violence against civilian targets" and then asks, "Do you personally feel that this kind of violence is often justified to defend Islam, sometimes justified, rarely justified, or never justified?"

The question did not specify where a suicide attack might occur, who might carry it out or what was meant by using a bombing to "defend Islam."

In other findings:

- Only 5 percent of U.S. Muslims expressed favorable views of the terrorist group al-Qaida, though about a fourth did not express an opinion.

- Six in 10 said they are concerned about a rise in Islamic extremism in the U.S., while three in four expressed similar worries about extremism around the world.

- Yet only one in four consider the U.S. war on terrorism a sincere attempt to curtail international terror. Only 40 percent said they believe Arab men carried out the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

- By six to one, they say the U.S. was wrong to invade Iraq, while a third say the same about Afghanistan — far deeper than the opposition expressed by the general U.S. public.

- Just over half said it has been harder being a U.S. Muslim since the 9/11 attacks, especially the better educated, higher income, more religious and young. Nearly a third of those who flew in the past year say they underwent extra screening because they are Muslim.

That statistic isn't very useful without a comparison to one gathered from a general sampling of the flying public. However, contradicting claims of 6 million or 8 million Muslims in America:

The survey estimates there are roughly 2.35 million Muslim Americans. It found that among adults, two-thirds are from abroad while a fifth are U.S.-born blacks.

Update: The full survey report can be found here (thanks to Cumulusnine).

Posted by Marisol at May 22, 2007 1:02 PM
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A reason why I say Islam has no place in Western culture. Of course some blogs vilify you for expression that opinion.

Posted by: Elric66

at May 22, 2007 1:10 PM

Burn, baby burn.

Posted by: MP

at May 22, 2007 1:10 PM

#1. so what if they went through extra screening.

#2. '"We have crazies just like other faiths have them," said Eide Alawan, who directs interfaith outreach at the Islamic Center of America in Dearborn, Mich., one of the nation's largest mosques. He said killing innocent people contradicts Islam.'

Here is the problem with the above - the only people that muslims believe are innocent are muslim. Or else we wouldn't see innocent women, children and old people being blown up in buses, or pizza parlors, or shopping malls, or on trains in places such as India, or school girls walking to and from school in Southeast Asia, etc.

The deeds outweight the words as proof of what islam is all about. Words can be lies, deeds are facts.

Posted by: R_not

at May 22, 2007 1:16 PM

"It found that among adults, two-thirds are from abroad while a fifth are U.S.-born blacks."

As foolish as these two thirds are with words, what would have been the problem with a couple of questions that would expose their own pro-terrorist tendancies?

Posted by: Sam

at May 22, 2007 1:20 PM

"- Only 5 percent of U.S. Muslims expressed favorable views of the terrorist group al-Qaida, though about a fourth did not express an opinion."

There you go, just as we all suspected, as high as 25% are sleeping jihadists who will someday show their true colors when their own kind threatens them. They will follow Islam, "hijacked" or not or whatever you want to label it.

Posted by: sounder

at May 22, 2007 1:26 PM

Let's not just read what the Associated Press says about the Pew Research Center survey on American Muslims. Let's read the report and survey results ourselves. Here it is, a 108 page pdf to download:

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/483/muslim-americans

It's an easy read, and very interesting. The most interesting part of the report to me is that on certain questions, there was a very high percentage of "don't know" or "refuse to answer" responses. Any guesses as to why?

I could have missed it, but I haven't seen CAIR's reaction to this yet, but they must surely be crafting a response that emphasizes that the glass is half-full, rather than half-empty.

Posted by: cumulusnine

at May 22, 2007 1:29 PM

profiling is not to be eliminated....

Posted by: exsgtbrown

at May 22, 2007 1:30 PM

These numbers reflect any group of people which could include the editors of this site from those reserved to those who use racial language.

None of these people advocated attacks against the United States. Yes there are attempts to find the lone nut to carry out plans, but the Muslims coming here are not looking to bring terrorism with them as they fled it.
The major problem is the Castro Card Muslims who are paying Chinese communist freighters to haul them into South and Central America where they then pick up their Cuban made visas of European origin and hop transportation into Canada or Mexico.
These groups are the al Qaeda sleepers and the illegal criminals who are fleeing darks pasts. They are the ones who are going to bite America as the current wave of pedophiles and rapists coming out of Latin America are preying on US women and children.

The survey is actually a positive in what Muslims do not condone, but if those who will to foment it to shut off immigration as Pew and this site's view of it will....they good is done too as immigration must be curbed.

Posted by: Lame Cherry

at May 22, 2007 1:33 PM

Profiling. Good idea. Cross reference the answers to this survey with visa applications. It will probably take a mass movement to confront a mass movement.

Posted by: Sam

at May 22, 2007 1:35 PM

It seems we are making some headway on this. An intersting e-mail from a liberal friend of mine. Heck pass it on I did.

A man whose family was German aristocracy prior to World War Two
owned a number of large industries and estates. When asked how many
German people were true Nazis, the answer he gave can guide our
attitude toward fanaticism.

"Very few people were true Nazis "he said," but many enjoyed the
return of German pride, and many more were too busy to care. I was
one of those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of fools. So, the
majority just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we knew
it, they owned us, and we had lost control, and the end of the world
had come. My family lost everything. I ended up in a concentration
camp and the Allies destroyed my factories."

We are told again and again by "experts" and "talking heads" that
Islam is the religion of peace, and that the vast majorit y of Muslims
just want to live in peace.

Although this unqualified assertion may be true, it is entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff, meant to make us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish the specter of fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of Islam. The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history.

It is the fanatics who march.
It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50 shooting wars worldwide.
It is the fanatics who systematically slaughter Christian or tribal
groups throughout Africa and are gradually taking over the entire
continent in an Islamic wave.
It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder, or honor kill..
It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosque.
It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of
rape victims and homosexuals.
The hard quantifiable fact is that the "peaceful majority" the
"silent majority" is cowed and extraneous.

Communist Russia comprised of Russians who just wanted to live in
peace, yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about 20 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant.
China's huge population, it was peaceful as well, but Chinese
Communists managed to kill a staggering 70 million people.

The average Japanese individual prior to World War 2 was not a
warmongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way
across South East Asia in an orgy of killing that included the
systematic murder of 12 million Chinese civilians; most killed by
sword, shovel and bayonet.

And, who can forget Rwanda, which collapsed into butchery. Could it
not be said that the majority of Rwandans were "peace loving"?

History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all
our powers of reason we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated
of points: Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence.

Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don't speak up,
because like my friend from Germany, they will awake one day and
find that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have
begun.

Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians, and many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too late.

As for us who watch it all unfold; we must pay attention to the only
group that counts; the fanatics who threaten our way of life.

Lastly, at the risk of offending, anyone who doubts that the issue
is serious and just deletes this email without sending it on, can
contribute to the passiveness that allows the problems to expand.

So, extend yourself a bit and send this on and on and on! Let us hope that thousands, world wide, read this - think about it - and send it on

Posted by: Ameriki

at May 22, 2007 1:45 PM

#1. so what if they went through extra screening.

How does that help if they lie? Its within their their religious right to lie to kaffirs if it benefits Islam.

Posted by: Elric66

at May 22, 2007 1:46 PM

Assalamau Laikum all,

I am not under 30, but as a muslima I would like to say that suicide bombing are not acceptable under any circumstances.

Only peaceful dawa is acceptable.

Posted by: Naseem

at May 22, 2007 2:02 PM

25% of American Muhammadans did not express an opinion about al-Qaida

Why would 25% of American Muhammadans decline to express their opinion of al-Qaida?

Could it be that their opinion is not politically correct?

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2

at May 22, 2007 2:05 PM

Thanks to Cumulusnine in the DW thread on Farah Pandith, the original Pew report can be directly read: no need for their own stupid news filter.

Posted by: Infidel Pride

at May 22, 2007 2:09 PM

How could it ever have been a "tiny minority" anyway? They would have run out of suicide bombers by now....

Posted by: Foehammer

at May 22, 2007 2:11 PM

The FACT is that in the U.S., Nasseem, the only persons open to your "dawa" are incarcerated African-American fellows. I guess they haven't got much else to do all day than listen to Islamic propaganda.

I have not heard of any other groups in the U.S. open to your "dawa." Speaks volumes, doesn't it?

Posted by: darcy

at May 22, 2007 2:13 PM

Doesn't CAIR and the likes keep throwing numbers out about the Muslims living in the US. Haven't I seen the numbers as high as 8 million? Isn't 2.5 a long shot from 8 million? But then again if we are to believe this poll, 20% of 2.5 million is 500,000.We have 500,00 Muslims in this country who think Suicide bombings are OK.That is scary, really scary!

Posted by: MadMom

at May 22, 2007 2:14 PM

Most supporters of suicide attacks likely assumed the context was a fight against occupation — a term Muslims often use to describe the conflict with Israel.

And how many other conflicts have been construed as fights against "occupation"?

There's the five-hundred year old occupation of Spain (or is that Andalus?), for instance.

Then there's Chechnya.

After that there's Bosnia, Kosovo and how many more?

The fight against "occupation" was taken to America, as Islamists viewed the American troops in Saudi Arabia as a form of "occupation".

"Innocent" means different things to Muslims and non-Muslims. So does "occupation".

Posted by: PMK

at May 22, 2007 2:15 PM

suicide bombings to defend their religion

Just as vague is what it means when a religion is "under attack" and what it means to "defend" it. Is criticizing a religion an attack worthy of defense via suicide bombing? Are the suicide bombers blowing up Iraqi civilians doing so to defend their religion? Any religion claiming to be "perfect and the best way of life for all" had better sort this out for their followers.

Posted by: yadayada

at May 22, 2007 2:17 PM

I was just reading this over at Newsmax, that bit about 25% did not express their opinion is what concerns me the most. The article says 1050 muslims were polled, so roughly 262 people either don't want to tip their hand or honestly don't have an opinion. Yeah ok that last one is crap.

The margin of error is give or take 5%

Posted by: gaelen

at May 22, 2007 2:17 PM

The tide is turning, Nasseem. Sarkozy is beginning massive deportations of your illegal colleagues in France! What a beautiful thought, isn't it?

Posted by: darcy

at May 22, 2007 2:18 PM

Cumulusnine-- many thanks for the link. I've updated the original posting to include it.

Posted by: MarisolJW

at May 22, 2007 2:22 PM

Naseem writes....

Only peaceful dawa is acceptable.

Non-Muslims accept that too, so you're preaching (dawa-ing?) to the choir here. The issue at hand is --- is any of your peaceful dawa being used to correct your fellow Muslims who believe in violent dawa? Because your peaceful dawa is needed more there than here.

Posted by: yadayada

at May 22, 2007 2:27 PM

Aren't these stats lower than the global survey responses? Isn't it 1 in 3 outside the US?

Sounds like most American muslims have a healthy concern for their well being and are more likely to keep extremist views quiet in order to preserve their elevated social status in American society. This is a positive.

So if we Americans continue deporting the extremists and keeping the extremist diatribe stifled we should all live together in harmony in spite of the wishes of the extremsits.

Also make sure there are no Islamic schools like that Khalil Gibrahn school planned in NYC. The last thing the USA needs is more of a multicultural problem. Plus Arab schools will undoubtedly get the same Arab schoolbooks the Palestinians used to indoctricate the present generation of suicide bombers.

Make sure muslims are subject to the same culture as all other American kids and keep mosque and state seperate.

Posted by: GreatShaitan

at May 22, 2007 2:27 PM

Sorry OT:

Father of Muslim Serial Rape Victim: ‘Avoid the Courts, There is NO Justice: Sort it out yourself!’

http://sheikyermami.com/2007/05/22/father-of-rape-victim-avoid-the-courts-there-is-no-justice-sort-it-out-yourself/

Posted by: sheik yer'mami

at May 22, 2007 2:37 PM

"Innocent" means different things to Muslims and non-Muslims. So does "occupation".

So does 'civilian'.

Excellent point. After 9-11, CAIR officials stated that they:

"...Categorically condemn the flying of jets containing innocent civilians into buildings..."

Of course, if they don't consider the passengers 'innocent' or 'civilians', then 9-11 was OK.

Posted by: Lee

at May 22, 2007 2:41 PM

i have recently realized that sharia law is the primary enemy, and that terrorism is only a secondary symptom of sharia.
all of the terrorists that are violently trying to overthrow governments, are doing it for the sake of imposition of sharia. am i wrong? there has to be a reason for terrorist behavior, a cause, a goal.
most of the moderate muslims living in the West seem fairly satisfied with the current form of democratic/constitutional government. they have no militant desire for sharia, at least not yet. it is only when a muslim makes the transition to believing in government only by sharia that the transition to terrorist takes place. radicalization has a goal, and that goal is sharia. we in the West must oppose sharia just like we oppose terrorism. however, to oppose sharia would be a more efficient form of fighting terrorism, because eradicating sharia would eliminate terrorism at it's source before terrorism even forms. to eradicate sharia would be to take away the terrorist's goal and reason for living, and dying.
it seems that if the West could roll back the sharia governments of the world, then we would be rolling back terrorism at the same time.
wherever sharia is taught, preached and exported, that is where the West should concentrate it's efforts. terrorism springs from an ideology, and i believe that ideology is sharia law.

Posted by: gracer

at May 22, 2007 2:42 PM

"i have recently realized that sharia law is the primary enemy..."

Posted by: gracer

...Islam is the enemy....Sharia law is just a tool of Islam....

Posted by: exsgtbrown

at May 22, 2007 2:46 PM

Drives home the point why infidels need to be VERY EDUCATED about the tenets, the mental baggage, the atmospherics (Hugh's term) of Islam.

And why educated infidels need to bash and slam and descredit and expose the cult of Muhammad at every opportunity.

If we can't qurantine them physically,

we must quarantine them mentally.

Muhammadans should be embarassed to discuss their psychosis in educated circles. And every infidel should reflexively squeeze their nostrils shut when Muhammad's foul odor emanates anywhere on earth.

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2

at May 22, 2007 3:00 PM

Aside from those many Muslims who refused to take part (see a posting above), one must assume that the "error" beyond merely the "margin of error" is that Muslims who live in lands of the Infidels, and still controlled by Infidels, will naturally lie to any poll-taker about their opinions in only one way. No Musliim would claim to support, say, the imposition of the Shari'a, or terrorist acts against Infidels (and who are routinely described as "not innocents" according to broad definitions of what constitutes a combatant against Islam -- every Israeli man, woman, and child is so regarded by both the Sheik Al-Azhar and Al-Qaradawi, for example), if he did not do so. But many Muslims could deny supporting terrorism (as we Infidels undertand the term), and a world-wide Caliphate, and the imposition of Shari'a, even if they most certainly did. This too must be taken into account.

Finally, the article above should be supplemented by a click on the link given to the actual report, and then visitors to JW should look at roughly the last 25 pages of the report, and particularly all of the answers having to do with "religion." See if a chill does not go down your spine. And ask yourself if you think it likely that Bush, Cheney, Rice, Stephen Hadley, General Petraeus, General Odierno. General Kimmett, the heads and their aides at the CIA and the FBI, have read -- have any intention or desire to read and thoroughly comprehend and assimilate -- this telling document, or even just the last 25 pages.

You know the answer to that. And since we don't have to ask, we can't afford them -- any of them, if they presume to fill posts where they have a solemn duty to both instruct and protect us, and appear unwilling to do the minimial work necesasry for both.

Posted by: Hugh

at May 22, 2007 3:04 PM

"Federal officials have warned that the U.S. must be on guard against homegrown terrorism, as the British suffered with the London transit bombings of 2005."

Shouldn't this read "Federal officials have warned that the U.S. must be on guard against homegrown Islamic terrorism." Or should we be on guard against Christian and Jewish terrorism also?

No Muslims, no need to be on guard!

So why are we importing more Muslims into our country?

How dense can our leadership get?

Posted by: rational

at May 22, 2007 3:04 PM

"Either we bring them freedom or they will destroy us." [comment of Bernard Lewis in defense of the war in Iraq]

"We are fighting them over there [in Iraq], so we won't have to fight them over here." [statement of Bush, Cheney, Senator McCain, Senator Lieberman, every Bush loyalist who is standing by the policy of keeping stuck to Tarbaby Iraq]

Final Examination:

Discuss both statements above in the light of the poll of Muslims now living in the United States to which a link is given at the very end of the article above.

This is an Open Book Exam. You may consult any books or articles you wish, as well as any websites you find useful. Feel free to quote from the Qur'an, Hadith, and Sira, as well as from the work of Western scholars of Islam, especially those in the uncensored period from roughly 1860 to 1960.

If you are using blue books, please write on one side only. If you are typing your examination on a computer, please be aware that spelling, punctuation, and grammar matter just as much as they do for handwritten examinations.

Posted by: Hugh

at May 22, 2007 3:12 PM

The key question of first allegiance - to the Ummah or the U.S. gets obscured here. Of course, many many schooled in Taqqiyah to the point of it being a 'second nature' when among the infidels will feed 'the right' answers to the questions as a matter of course. i.e. many of these respondents will be LIARS.

The numbers convince me that one in four American Muslims are Jihadist or Jihadist waiting to happen. How can you have 'no opinion' about al AlQaeda and be, in any sense an AMERICAN.

Posted by: poetcomic1

at May 22, 2007 3:13 PM

The mental acrobatics of the Muslim poster above are rather comical. First of all we should not take any Muhammedan females seriously, since their witness is only half of a man's. According to Muahmmad himself females are 'deficient' mentally and if the Muhammedans themselves think of women as lowly creatures, why should we afford the Muslim female more?

Second: The idea that Nasseem (or Irshad Manji) or the likes of them can cook their own little Islam ('only peaceful da'wa is acceptable') is equally absurd, since the Kroan and the 164 jihad verses clearly call for 'fighting the unbelievers'- to kill and subjugate them etc etc, which makes those wishful muslimah's mental deficiency even more apparent.

No, the men are bad enough. Lets not even bother with the burka wearing ghostly breeders.

The Australian columnist Andrew Bolt had a look at some Muslim blogs and what he found is quite revealing:

http://sheikyermami.com/2007/05/22/why-cant-muslim-kids-be-taught-to-arm-themselves-up-with-ak-47%e2%80%99s%e2%80%9d/

Posted by: sheik yer'mami

at May 22, 2007 3:17 PM

When, When, just WHEN, are these polls going to ask inquiries along these lines:

1. If you had the power of choice regarding America's current governing and moral principles, would you elect to have America continue to be governed by the principles outlines by the founding fathers, influenced by the ideals of Enlightments figures including Rosseau, Voltaire and Baron Montesquieu, and by Judeo Christian morality? Or would you elect to have an Islamist based state akin to Iran or the Sudan or Taliban era Afghanistan?

2.a. Are targeted assaults against civilians justified when said civilians are non-muslims, i.e. American civilians, Christians in Pakistan/Indonesia/Phillipines/Iraq/Sudan/Egypt/Biafra/Lebanon, Israeli jews, Hindus in Pakistan/Kashmir/Bangladesh, Buddhists in Thailand, and Western tourists in the middle east and south asia?

b. Are targeted attacks justified against civilian muslims of non arab or of a minority race, i.e. blacks in Sudan and Chad, Kurds in Iraq, Amazigh in Algeria, Hazara in Afghanistan, Baloch/Sindhis/Kashmiris in Pakistan?

c. Are Islamic resistance movements like Hamas, the Hezbollah, and Jamal y Islamiyah (the term "resistance movement" should probably be used in place of "jihadi terroists bloodsucking s**theaded Islamic fascists sons of a b**ch" as to not give away any indication of what the survey is supposed to indicate), are justified in targeting civilians in Israel and luanching attakcs from civilian areas? Do you believe in these cases the population of Israel can be considered civilians at all or merely a type of enemy combatant?

3. In Iraq and Afghanistan, would you prefer the U.S. focusing on building a secualrist state with principles similar to Western ones? Or rather that they encourage the Taliban and othe rislamic resistance movemetns in building a purely *islamic state*?

4.a. Do you believe muslims are entitled to practice shariah law and/or support fundamental islamic revivialist groups and islamic movemtns like Hamas, the Hezbollah, Muslim brotherhood, Jamal y Islamiyah and others, within the West?

b. Do you believe non-muslims need to adjust their lifestyles to accomodate the needs of muslims to practice shariah in the west?

5. Do you beleive Americans, concenred about their safety and that of their families, are entitled to report, remove from airplanes and otherwise reprimand muslims who behave in unruly, suspicious, threatning and otherwise potentially dangerous behaviors, as in the case of the "Flying Imams"?

6.a. Would you regularly, or on any occasion, attend services at a mosque with knowledge that they are receiving money from Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, Pakistan, Iran or Egypt to pay for the salaries of the clerics and imams?

b. If you knew a mosque accepted money from Saudis, Iran, Qatar, Egypt or Iran, would you be willing to report it to police or FBI as possible terror threats?

7. Do you believe muslims should consider Islamic, pan-arabist nationalist news sources, esp but not limited to Al Jazeerah, as trustworthy news alternatives to CNN or Fox News?

8. Do you believe non-muslims and non-arab muslims consious of their pre-islamic identities have a fundamental right to live among muslims and in their own countries without a "dhimmi" status and being forced to pay a Jizyah tax in the most humiliating and degrading fashion possible?

When surveys like these are asked of muslims, then we will have made REAL progress in protecting our selves form Islamist terror. And for the record, I know my views in Islamic immigration have started arguemnts before, but for the record I have no problems getting muslims to respond to these surveys by presenting them as purely objective, then cancelling their legal rights to live here based on their responses to any one of the questions?

Posted by: maxwell46&2

at May 22, 2007 3:26 PM

Read Sheikyermami's link and you will come to this Muslim post:

"...may all my children die in the path of ALLAH swt, whether its by doing dawah or by physically taking up arms to free people from oppression..."

There you have it folks. The end of Islam is the death of the whole world. After all, he who saves one life, it is as if he has saved the whole world.

But he who wish death as the highest good, well...
============
Does anyone here doubt that the devil exists?
Does anyone here doubt that the devil's cult is Islam?

OMG, it's soooooo obvious!

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2

at May 22, 2007 3:27 PM

"Either we bring them freedom or they will destroy us."

Dear Professor Fitzgerald:

I'm sorry my final exam is so short, but I really couldn't think of anything to say besides the fact that the Palestinians had "freedom" and could to vote for whomever they wished. They voted for Hamas.

Given the freedom to vote in Iraq, the Shia chose Sistani and his gang of theocrats. Freedom for Muhammadans means freedom to live by Sharia law under a tribal thug.

Wasn't Hitler elected?

The End. (Please don't flunk me for length.)Thanks.

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2

at May 22, 2007 3:45 PM

"Just over half said it has been harder being a U.S. Muslim since the 9/11 attacks..."

***************

Being a kafur and living in a muslim country is no picnic either.

At least in the US (or the West), media and the entire government apparatus is geared towards appeasement of muslims - who would fall over themselves to help the "beleagured" mahmood, whereas in a muslim country it is quite the opposite: there if your neighbour doesn't kill you for being a kafur, the sharia infused laws of those goddamned lands most certainly will.

These surveys are ten a penny and, just like the war on Iraq, a total waste of money. Next time come to me and I'll tell you what at least 90% of them will say in public and almost 100% of what they will admit to their ilk behind closed doors.

Which mahmood worth his pork will say that he is having a wonderful time in the US? You don't need a survey to fathom this one out, just common sense will do.

Posted by: Hermit

at May 22, 2007 3:51 PM

Ynkedoodl2, I think you are freaking out! I don't blame you.

We need to stop thinking that Democracy is the all to end all. Look at most of the commie nations in this world - they throw in Democrat, or Democratic, in the names of their party or country all the time.

What Democracy is more closely linked to, it seems to me, is communism (and islam is very close to the communist way - except that instead of a void of religion - it uses religion). So, why should we really be surprised here? Look at our Democrat Party leaders - they are all cuddling up to the commies. Kisses and hugs, and all sorts of gaggy things, and then Pelosi going and doing the big cuddles with Syria's leader - it was almost as gaggy as Albright's smooch with Kim Jong Il - well, not quite - kissing Albright makes me shiver!

Posted by: R_not

at May 22, 2007 3:51 PM

From Presidential Candidate Jack Shepard's Media Campaign Against Worldwide Suicide Terrorism

visit: http://www.shepardusgov.com/Partial%20video.html to hear Dr. Shepard's video warning Suicide Bombers they will dwelling in the fires of Hell forever and ever not Heaven.

Visit Official Presidential Campaign web site of the Jack Shepard for President committee
http://www.jackshepardforpresident.com
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Islam's Teachings Prohibit Terrorism, Says Imam Posted GMT 9-22-2005 23:15:13 AINS News Service

ROME --The imam of Rome's Grand Mosque condemned terrorism in the name of Islam, stating that "Islam is the religion of mutual knowledge and peace," not of "mutual hostility and clash."

Sheik Mahmud Hammad Sheweita made this statement at a press conference in Rome's Foreign Press Room, to present the Media Campaign Against World Suicide Terrorism, led by Jack Shepard, founder of the People for Peace Group.

The imam reminded his audience that suicide and murder are illicit.

"It is very clear that the killing of innocent people and of peaceful people have been declared illicit by Allah," he said Wednesday.

Also present at the press conference was Abdella Redouane, secretary-general of the Islamic Cultural Center of Italy who, when asked about Benedict XVI, said: "It is a privilege for us to be in Rome so close to the Vatican. Our relations are very good. We were at the Pope's funeral and we have already met in private with Benedict XVI, who, although he is different from John Paul II, follows a line of continuity in relation to Muslims."

Moreover, Redouane was pleased that Benedict XVI wanted to meet with Muslims in Cologne, Germany, and said that he hoped that, after her audience with the Pope, journalist Oriana Fallaci will be "less venomous against Muslims, and also against the Vatican."

For his part, Jack Shepard, promoter of the campaign against suicide terrorism, recalled that Rome is a place of meeting and dialogue between religions. "If all the world were like Rome," he said, "we would not be talking about such topics

Below is the Text of Imam Sheik Mahmud Sheweita statements in support of the Media Campaign Against Worldwide Suicide Terrorism led by Dr. Jack Shepard, founder of People for Peace Group
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Islam is the Religion of mutual knowledge and peace,

not the Religion of mutual hostility and clash

Statements of Imam Sheik Mahmud Hammad Sheweita, in support of the Media Campaign Against Worldwide Suicide Terrorism led by Dr. Jack Shepard, founder of People for Peace Group

9/21/2005-Rome’s Foreign Press Room

The teachings of Islam show the highest respect for all humanity and proclaim the inviolability of all men and women, of any origin or skin colour, without distinctions based on their ideas or doctrines. Allah in the Noble Qur’an says: “We have honoured the sons of Adam; provided them with transport on land and sea: given them for sustenance things good and pure: and conferred on them special favours” (Sura 17:70).

In the same way the Islamic Shariah treats with justice every human being and does not make any difference on the basis of race, nationality or religion. Allah the Highest said: “Oh you that believe! Stand out firmly for justice as witnesses to Allah, even as against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin …” (Sura 4:135). The understanding that Islam has about justice is that of an absolute justice without any exception, of a universal justice far from any abuse of power or oppression. Human societies lost the right path when they administered justice in a wrong way, denying it to others but their own citizens. Islam, instead, recognizes freedom of religion to all men and women. This is clearly stated in many verses of the Holy Qur’an and in hadiths of the Prophet (pbuh). Allah says: “Let there be no compulsion in religion: truth stands out clear from error …..” (Sura 2:256). And again: “If it had been the Lord’s will they would all have believed, all who are on earth! Wilt thou then compel mankind against their will, to believe!” (Sura 10:99). In accordance to this divine decree, written in the Holy Qur’an, Allah has clearly defined the tasks of His Messenger Muhammad – may Allah bestow on him eternal happiness – in the clearest terms, without any ambiguity. These tasks are explained in details to the Messenger by Allah the Highest in the following verses: “Therefore do thou give admonition, for thou are one to admonish. Thou are not one to manage (men’s) affairs” (Sura 88:21 and 22). And again : “If then they turn away We have not sent thee as a guard over them. Thy duty is but to convey (the Message) ….” (Sura 42:48). Allah says also: “The Messenger duty is but to proclaim (the Message)….” (Sura 5:99) and again: “ ….. If you do turn back, know that it is Our Messenger duty to proclaim (the Message) …..” (Sura 5:92). Allah’s Messenger – may Allah bestow on him His Blessings – always remained faithful to the commandments of the Lord, leaving to men the freedom to embrace Islam or to remain faithful to their own religion and pledging to respect their religion, and their properties.

The principle that there is no compulsion in religion is by itself very clear, I would like, in any case to touch three topics:

1. A notion of Jihad referred to a war has never been understood as a method to coerce men to embrace Islam. If compulsion to embrace Islam would be legitimate certainly the Holy Qur’an would mention it. Instead, the Divine Revelation states exactly the opposite, denying the use of force to convert people to Islam. It is absolutely impossible that the Word of Allah – to Him the Glory – may present contradictions or ambiguities. Why then a violent form of Jihad has been possible? The Holy Qur’an authorizes war only tom fight oppression, iniquity and aggression. Allah the Highest command Muslims to abstain from aggression and to spare the life3 of innocent people. The Qur’an says: “… If then anyone transgresses the prohibition against you, transgress ye likewise against him. But fear Allah and know that Allah is with those who restrain themselves” (Sura 2:194). Among the teachings of the Messenger of Allah Muhammad – may Allah pray for him and grant him eternal happiness – there is one which says that it is forbidden to harm innocent people even in a legitimate war of defence. The Prophet – peace upon him – said: “Do not dare to kill the elder, the young, the woman, those who adore Allah, those who work who do not participate in the war and do not wear weapons. This because Islam loves life, sanctifies it and preaches to men to love it. All this the Noble Qur’an says in a very clear way”.

“….. If any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land – it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if anyone saved a life it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people”.

2. The man who kills himself, the suicide, it is certainly the worst case of killing, because man has been taught love to one’s life and to protect it as a gift from Allah. If to kill a man is a terrible crime and sin, to kill oneself is an even more horrible crime and sin. Allah prohibited it saying: “….. make not your own hands contribute to (your) destruction: but do good for Allah loveth those who do good” (Sura 2: 195). The Messenger of Allah Muhammad – may Allah grant him eternal happiness – instructs mankind to abhor suicide and prohibits it saying: “Who kills himself with a sharp blade, in his own hands, will continue to push it in is own body eternally in the fire of hell, and who kills himself with a poison will continue to drink it in the fire of hell for the eternity, without dying, and who kills himself by jumping from the top of a mountain will continue to jump in the fire of hell for the eternity without dying”. The Prophet – peace upon him – mentioning a man who wanted to kill himself said: “He was going to kill himself wishing for Paradise and I denied it to him”. Another time the Holy Prophet said about a man who killed himself: “I will not pray for him”. It is very clear, therefore, that the Islamic Shariah prohibits suicide, and all what the Prophet – peace be upon him – said demonstrates that suicide is absolutely forbidden forever and in any form it may take.

From all what I said before it is very clear that the killing of innocent people, and of peaceful people, have been declared illicit by Allah. Therefore all what happened in the explosions everywhere is contrary to the teachings of Islam. Teachings that prohibit without any doubt terrorism against peaceful people and their assassination.

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The two leading Democratic Presidential
Candidates; Hillary Clinton and Barak Obsama are
very sadly lacking in any military experience at all.
They are two classic examples of candidates complete
unqualified to be your next Commander-in-chief.
They would choose from their democratic friends a
completely new group of inexperienced people to head
the Intelligence, Military, State Departments etc.
placing America unnecessarily at risk at a time where
America is in the middle of very complex Global War.

I like General Dwight Eisenhower did during his
Presidency will bring to the White House a fresh new
face of a political outsider with the vast military
experience and the experience of how to use it. Only
with a commander-in-chief who has and knows how to
use his military experience can we win our Global War
on Terrorism.

I would be working with our present proven team of
USAF Gen. Michael Hayden, Vice Admiral John
McConnell, Secretary of States Condoleezza Rice,
Secretary of Defense Richard Gates, and Secretary of
Veteran Affairs Jim Nicholson and other strong
possibilities who I consider irreplaceable. They are a
proven team excelling in their work. Their experience
and talent would bring to my administration and our
country much needed stability we surely need in a
time of war to have a smooth transition from the
present Administration to the next.

With the present very complex situation worldwide I
would think it an unwise choice to completely change
the present Cabinet. It would hope and pray that
professionals like ex-Secretary of States Colin Powell
would return to work in my administration.
I promise to do what ever it takes within the first 100
days of my administration to create the sovereign
State of Palestine living side by side in peace and
happiness with Israel. I promise this dream will
become a reality. Immediately if elected I would move
to Phase

III: Permanent Status Agreement and End of the
Israeli-Palestinian Conflict- Click-Major Change! This
is a promise I make to my fellow Americans and all
the citizens in the Middle East, "If elected the next
president of the United States for the first time in
over 50 years I will create an environment where
Peace will flourish between the Israel and its
neighbours in the first 100 days of my administration."

I would need experienced Middle East Professionals
like ex-Secretary of States Colin Powell to work with
me to guarantee that my promise to do what ever it
takes within the first 100 days of my administration to
create the sovereign State of Palestine living side by
side in peace and happiness with Israel will become a
reality.
__________________________________________________
Presidential Candidate Jack Shepard
supports much closer coordination between
Counterintelligence Agencies and Law
Enforcement Centers with expanding the
power of agencies like CIFA; a little-known
Pentagon Agency called the
Counterintelligence Field Activity. If
elected; Jack Shepard guarantees,
“Government agencies like CIFA will be
immediately getting increased funding and
all the support they need from my
administration, to guarantee that these
agencies have everything they need to
make America safe from terrorists by
expanding our ability in identifying
previously unknown or suspected terrorist.”
The election of Jack Shepard will mitigate risks
Americans face at home or abroad because of
his in-depth knowledge of the counter
terrorism field.
His election as the next President of the United
States will enhance the Security of the Untied
States.
Jack Shepard is qualified like no other
Presidential Candidate now running for the
office of President. He has 'knowledge
products' he uses daily playing a significant
role in his threat assessments and advisories
and risk assessments in support of his efforts
in the protection of critical operations,
resources, and technologies to better protection
America from the exploitation of terrorists
both home and abroad.

Posted by: PresidentCandidateShepard

at May 22, 2007 3:52 PM

'"We have crazies just like other faiths have them,"

Suicide Amish..yeah..you know what? Eide's right - and what about those suicide Buddhists and Jooooz? Other faiths have them, alright.

Posted by: Un:dhimmi

at May 22, 2007 3:55 PM

"By six to one, they say the U.S. was wrong to invade Iraq, while a third say the same about Afghanistan —"

...they are probably right....we should have invaded Dearborn....

Posted by: exsgtbrown

at May 22, 2007 3:58 PM

Naseem- "suicide bombing are not acceptable under any circumstances"

Excerpted from a FrontPageMag.com article regarding the Fort Dix Six: "It’s worthwhile ... to step back and consider some of the media reports we are not seeing. ... (T)here has not been even one article about Muslims pledging to redouble their efforts to teach against the jihad ideology in American mosques. While many have reaffirmed that Islam is a religion of peace and scolded authorities for linking Islam with militancy, no Muslims have explained how this peaceful religion keeps being so outrageously misunderstood by those who are often its most devout adherents, or what they propose to do to keep this from happening in the future. No reporters ... are even asking questions like this. And that makes it likely that the Fort Dix jihad plotters will not be the last Muslims in America to 'misunderstand' their religion and think it enjoins them to commit acts of violence against unbelievers."

The key phrase is "no Muslims have explained how this peaceful religion keeps being so outrageously misunderstood". "Misunderstood" indeed, over and over, in different countries, across continents, proclaimed at hundreds of different mosques by all these different imams and ALL THE SAME MESSAGE OF VIOLENT JIHAD.

So, Naseem: how DOES this peaceful religion keep being so "outrageously misunderstood" ALL AROUND THE WORLD? Could it be -gasp!- the message of Islam IS violent, even though you deny it and wish it were otherwise? Maybe YOU are the one who needs to choose a different religion...

Posted by: A_Nonny_Mouse

at May 22, 2007 3:59 PM

“While nearly 80 percent of U.S. Muslims say suicide bombings of civilians to defend Islam can not be justified, 13 percent say they can be, at least rarely.”

Seems comforting until one performs a little simple math. Let’s see: 13% of the of the PEW Report’s estimated U.S. Muslim population of 2.35 million = 305,500 Muslims who freely admit that they see suicide bombing as a viable option! 100% minus 80% minus 13% = 7% (164,500) who most probably did not want to incriminate themselves by a admitting to this ‘suicide option’. So, if we add these two numbers, we come up with a whopping 470,000 not so peaceful individuals ready and willing to blow up gray-haired ladies and school children alike – anywhere a crossed America - when called upon to do so by their mufti managers. I think the PEW Report leaves a bit to be concerned over – wouldn’t you?

Posted by: descendantofacrusader

at May 22, 2007 4:00 PM

IMO a “religion” with such violent god-proclaimed texts by which at least a 4th of whose adherents can accordingly easily claim suicide bombing of infidels on US soil as a permitted option should be deemed an extremely dangerous cult and outlawed by congress. If the Supreme Court foolishly objects that it is a protected “religion”, then a constitutional amendment should be called for and passed and all mosques closed down - possibly under marshall law.

After a few suicide bombings & other Islamic terror attacks slaughtering large numbers of Americans, this proposition will not seem extreme. If we had real leaders in Washington (instead of crisis managing fuck-ups) we would not have to risk the carnage.

Posted by: FM

at May 22, 2007 4:01 PM

From the haha center of the world of Islam comes this: "We have crazies just like other faiths have them,"

I'm sorry your emminence but your crazys are not like those of other faiths. Your crazys are crazier, and there are lots more of them.
Craziness is a requirment for membership in the Club Of Islam. No sane person would ever sign up, nor stay involved. They dont even have a golf course, how insane...

Posted by: duh_swami

at May 22, 2007 4:10 PM

@R_not

If you re-read my post, I say that democracy will solve nothing when it comes to Muhammadans. They will vote in Sharia law and a tribal thug to implement it. Not to mention, the first election will be the last.

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2

at May 22, 2007 4:30 PM

Seconding Ynkeedoodle's post above: in the Jerusalem Post (21/5/07) I just read a long interview that their reporter Haviv Rettig did with Itamar Marcus of 'Palestinian Media Watch". Among many other interesting things, Marcus cites a 'Palestinian survey' which showed - not long before Hamas won the election - that 78% of 'Palestinians' wanted sharia law. That's right. 78%. And if it was an 'in-house' survey of Ps by Ps then the kitman factor would be less likely to come into it.

Whereas a 'Useful Idiot' writing in the letters page of our diocesan paper - fresh from an indoctrination tour under the auspices of Sabeel and its Palestinian Liberation Theology - was writing that 'the vast majority of Palestinians want a secular state'. Now: 78 % wanting sharia doesn't sound much like a secular state to me. Sure it was only one poll - but they DID vote Hamas in by a ten-seat majority.

Marcus added that during the period of direct Israeli rule Israel had exercised "a secularizing influence", but that from the moment the PA took over there had been a shift - "But under the PA through their control of TV, education and culture, everything, there has been A TREMENDOUS ISLAMIZATION" [my emphasis added]. So much for the idea that the PA under Arafat and Fatah was 'secular'.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy

at May 22, 2007 4:41 PM

Assslamau laikum gracer

You say "i have recently realized that sharia law is the primary enemy, and that terrorism is only a secondary symptom of sharia".

I don't think this is correct....I want sharia for Pak. It was created on religious lines ...so why should we resist Allah's calling. Muhd SAW showed the light of living under sharia.

Ultimately I am hoping for mild sharia to be implemented in the west. When mild sharia is world law...there is no kaffar...there are only muslims and wuslims...and peace will rain, a state never achived since Allah made us childrens of Adum & Eve.

I hope to see parts of this fruit before I meet with my Anwer ...you will then see the fruits of Allah Talah's will and hard work.

Posted by: Naseem

at May 22, 2007 4:44 PM

You know what it really makes no difference anymore what muslims say and think in polls.

Muslims ,as far as i am concerned,have no credibility.

They have stood silent for five years.

When a muslim does meanders over to a soap box it's to play the victim and try to convincs those being attacked it's not islams scriptures.

When we condemn islam for it's evil,and thats what it is EVIL,then we are told we are not educated in islam.That we are ignorant.

For five long years while thousands of muslims get cut to pieces the umma stood silent like deer caught in a trucks headlights.Why out of fear of reprisals from muslims? Or is it because they all feel it's justified?

Like i said no credibility.
They still continue to blame others for islams failures and the inability to conform to even the slightest thing in a modern world.

It has to be islam 24-7-365 by any means ,by any jihad.Whether the jihad is an inner struggle or terrorist philosophy.

So if i am to be polled and asked would i support bombings of muslims.....YES

If i am asked if i would support the anhialation of my enemy .....YES

If it were up to me i would make it so unbearable for muslims to even dream of sharia law in the land of the free they would be walking all over one another to leave.

How do you poll liars that hate your guts and expect to find the truth anyway?

There has been a five year poll going on now and the results are pretty self evident.

It's pretty amazing to me that thousands and thousands of "innocent" muslims are being killed by "the hijackers" and nary a word against them.

It's pretty amazing to me that all the innocent deaths of non muslims are rejoiced over.

What other polls need be conducted?

The enemy has camps behind our front lines and we feed and clothe and educate them all to our own demise,in one form of jihad or another.

I am sure a poll for the desire of sharia law in the land of the free would really make the PC and multicultural crowd reall really proud.

The realizing who and what the enemy is leads us to the main benifactors of the tool "islam" and thats Iran and Saudi arabia....mainly.

Polls mean absolutely nothing especially when you poll liars and those who have earned no credibility.

If the defense is to be "there have been no attacks from the muslims we have in the U.S." i say WRONG.

Islam are muslims and muslims are islam and it can never change,in 1400 yrs it hasn't changed and it never will.

To be truely islamic how can it?

Poll smoll.

I suppose the answer will be to appease and bring islam into the fold of freedom or will it be as falling to one knee readying the neck for submission?

Posted by: Dar al-harb

at May 22, 2007 4:46 PM

Polls like these are essentially useless.

It is a fact that an unknown number of Muslims support jihad in the defense of Islam. Recent history proves that point without question.

It is also a fact that in the absence of a unifying voice, like the currently defunct Caliphate, each and every Muslim's justification for jihad for the defense of Islam is considerd valid to them, and thus, a possible avenue for them.

It is also a fact that, contrary to the large movement by supposed 'moderate' Muslims to deny any correlation between jihadist violence and Islam, the mandate to do so, a Muslim's obligation, is contained directly in the canonical Islamic texts, most specifically, the Qur'an.

The correlation is there, and an unknown pool of Muslims completely subscribe to it. Throw in the fact that then impetus found in the Qur'an will most likely remain as such ad infinitum, for a main difference between Islam and other 'testaments', as found in Christianity for example, is that the Qur'an is viewed as the direct immmutable words of Allah.

When you here Islamists brag about the ultimate reward of being a slave to Allah, what ensues should not come as a surprise to anyone with a basic comprehension of what Islam was historically and what it is today, as applied.

Indeed, a precarious situation we are faced with.
All Islamists should be suspect until further notice. I'll leave it to Hugh to let us know when that notice is appropriate.

Until then, it's business as usual for all us Islamaphobes.

Posted by: awake

at May 22, 2007 5:02 PM

awake - you're right.

My local paper in web form has a link that says:
Most muslims reject terror
and this leads to an article entitled:
Some US Muslims say suicide attacks OK

The same poll is cited.

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses

at May 22, 2007 5:06 PM

It may be because I'm not sure of my beliefs but I think I can seperate my way of life from my beliefs. Either way I would never consider suicide bombing. I would fight for what I believe. Suicide does'nt show how devoted they are as much as how stupid they are. And how are muslims picked on in airports? Do they carry signs saying they are muslim?

Posted by: Barry

at May 22, 2007 5:17 PM

Comments on this thread by Barry and Naseem, while asdmirable as personal decisions, are also essentially useless in comparison to the uncontrollable, unpredictable masses of adherents to Islam.

No infidel should take solace in their empty words.

Posted by: awake

at May 22, 2007 5:32 PM

One in four isn’t a drop in the bucket. As mentioned, it is a prime indicator that Islam has no place in Western culture. Most followers of Islam refuse to assimilate, which is fine… then go back to where one’s Islamic tolerances or lack thereof are the norm and thus acceptable.
One in four isn’t a drop in the bucket. As mentioned, it is a prime indicator that Islam has no place in Western culture. Most followers of Islam refuse to assimilate, which is fine… then go back to where one’s Islamic tolerances or lack thereof are the norm and thus acceptable.
Frankly, I am so damn tired of the political double-shuffling of the politically-correct wanks! Why is it, we are expected to modify our culture for Islam, in our own nation, when it is they whom should be doing so?
Intolerance is a base tenet of Islam, although this is denied. Yet it is we whom are deemed racist. I have as yet to read any poll where 25% of citizens of German, Chinese or you pick it, origin approving of suicide bombing. It is, solely, within the “American (really?) Muslim community where this perversely, twisted mindset resides. This, to me, speaks volumes.

Posted by: Misanthrope

at May 22, 2007 5:40 PM

Posted by: Naseem at May 22, 2007 04:44 PM

Mild sharia? Excuse me, but only full-blown sharia will satisfy the teeming hordes. Islam is not mix and match. It's all pre-ordained and perfect and don't you dare say otherwise. Are you a heretic?

Until then, blessed peace be upon Adum...and the descendants of Adum...Alitalia knows best.

Posted by: Dane

at May 22, 2007 5:49 PM

"We have crazies just like other faiths have them," said Eide Alawan, who directs interfaith outreach at the Islamic Center of America in Dearborn, Mich., one of the nation's largest mosques. He said killing innocent people "contradicts Islam."

Oooh! Mais oui! Mais certainment!

* 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 *

Wipe the infidels out to the last.
--- God exhorting murder of innocent non-Moslem people in Koran 8:7

Do the bastards think that we are not their equal in fighting? We are men who think that there is no shame in killing.
--- Mohammed talking good old-fashioned murder in Ishaq 489

(Hypocrites who stir up sedition) shall have a curse on them. Whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain without mercy - a fierce slaughter - murdered, a horrible murdering.
--- God exhorting horrible murderings in Koran 33:60

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer

at May 22, 2007 5:50 PM

Easy profiling: oh, you are a muslim? Ok, get out of our country.

Posted by: bonncaruso

at May 22, 2007 5:57 PM

Please remember that "one in four" of those who were willing to take the poll ignores the many who were so alienated, or so unwilling to tell the truth about their views (with a final sample of only 1000, 262 other Muslims refused to make their views known), that they were not counted. Furthermore, of the 1000, how many flat-out lied, in order, as is religiously-sanctioned in Islam (see "Taqiyya" and "Kitman"), to defend the Faith and the Believers?

The result is in fact, despite the spin put on it by Andrew Kohut and especially by Margaret Besheer in her article for "Voice of America" -- which google -- horrifying.

And then there is still another matter. Given the enormous effort at kid-gloves treatment of Muslims in this country so far, given the bending over backwards by every public official, the constant praise by Bush and Rice of wonderful Islam, the courses now instituted about Islam, using textbooks and syllabi concocted by apologists for Islam, given the observance, in the White House, of Muslim holidays with that new, and dangerous "Iftar Dinner," given the ways in which school systems, municipalities in their recreational facilities, and so many others have yielded to Muslim demands, of course one can say there is no reason for Muslims to complain.

But they do nonetheless, in a spirit of quite fictitiious victimhood. Now try to think of the attitude of Muslims if we begin to see Islam for what it is, begin to read the Qur'an and Hadith and Sira with greater understanding and attention, begin to realize that at the heart of this collectivist Belief-System (let's call it what it is), is the distinction made, by and for Believers, between those Believers and Infidels, a distinction that is carried over into the geographical distinction made between Dar al-Islam and Dar al-Harb, begin to no longer be fooled by the espositos and armstrongs and ernsts and sells and so many of the members of MESA Nostra (which google), well then -- among those who claim not to be supporters of terrorism and perhaps may even mean it, how many would change their minds?

And did the Pew Poll think to ask about support of other instruments of Jihad, and of the sharing of the same goal of bringing about a situation where all obstacles to dominance by Islam are removed, and the final triumph of Islam -- a triumph seen as by right, as only just -- comes about?

Or was this not something that the compilers of the poll, who apparently were advised by Muslims who were deeply involved at every step, wished to ask?

Posted by: Hugh

at May 22, 2007 5:58 PM

A petition for redress of grievances datapoint:

I went to visit my Senator’s branch office today to meet with my ‘Regional Representative’. He was talking with a friend on the phone when I stepped into his doorway and said ‘knock, knock’. I introduced myself and we made 30 seconds of niceties.

When asked about the Senator’s position on the pending immigration legislation, the Regional Representative looked sort of scared as he explained that the Senator hadn’t made any decisions yet and was thinking about things. His hands were busy with a pen. He’ll hand my letter to the Senator.

My Senator is on the Finance Committee and I asked about Senator Coburn’s estimate of $3 trillion in annual unfunded liabilities in Medicare and Medicaid. The Representative looked confused, pulled out a yellow sticky, and wrote the figure $3 trillion a year. Question mark. He’ll ask.

When asked about the Senator’s availability to meet with constituents, nobody had ever requested that and the Senator is very busy.

Lesson’s learned:

(1) Every Senator has branch offices in a City near you. You pay people to sit in these offices to deal with you. Write a letter and deliver it in person. You’ll feel better. The letter will probably get read.
(2) My other Senator’s office was more receptive. There’s a good chance we’ll have a discussion via videoconference in the near future.

I’m going to follow up with both representatives next week; I’ll drop off a copy of Islam 101 and a copy of this Pew Study to both with a cover letter. If nothing else, it’s therapeutic.

Posted by: pez

at May 22, 2007 6:04 PM

Knowing the texts of Islam, why would I believe anything they say?

Islam: a license to lie.

To further the ends of a global theocratic gulag.

Run by terroristic tyrants.

What could make these people appealing except seeing their backs as they depart to Mecca?

They can poll themselves at the Ka'aba forever.

Posted by: profitsbeard

at May 22, 2007 6:12 PM

PresidentCandidateShepard....

Obviously Jack Shepard doesn't know what he is talking about.

He plans to do in 100 days what hasn't been able to be implemented for decades?

What a liar

Some people will say and do anything to get elected.

Lets ask FARTFUR what he thinks about the possibility for peace in 100 days.

Maybe he could BUY peace for 100 days,thats about the extent of it.IF THAT!

You get nothing from islam unless you plan to give things away.Once you start giving things away....it never stops.

NEEEEEEXT!!!!!

A friend of mine sent me a speach by Ron Paul after i read the "it's Americas fault" speach i surmised his policy would be to appease appease appease.

Such a great platform for jihadists....submission is on the way,hold on.

Every candidate should be asked if they have read the quran.If they say they had then they should be asked to prove it.

I don't know how this could be implamented but it should be.

Maybe an imam could walk them through it while Robert or Hugh walk them through it at the same time.

How sweet would that be?!!

Posted by: Dar al-harb

at May 22, 2007 6:14 PM

Finally, the article above should be supplemented by a click on the link given to the actual report, and then visitors to JW should look at roughly the last 25 pages of the report, and particularly all of the answers having to do with "religion." See if a chill does not go down your spine.

The question on pg 87 of 108 - QD7 - stood out for me, particularly as a Muslim doesn't have to be interested in politics at all to answer this one, and can't back out of that as easily as he can a question about Israel. The one about whether it is okay for a Muslim to marry a non-Muslim.

Q.D7 Do you personally think it is okay or not okay for a Muslim to marry someone who is not a Muslim? [IF RESPONDENT SAYS “it depends,” PROBE ONCE WITH “Just your own view, do you personally think it is okay or not okay for a Muslim to marry someone who is not a Muslim?” IF STILL DEPENDS, ENTER AS 3 – Depends] 62 Okay for a Muslim to marry someone who is not a Muslim 24 Not okay for a Muslim to marry someone who is not a Muslim 11 Depends (VOL.) 3 Don’t know/Refused (VOL.)

I would have phrased that question differently. I would have asked:

Do you personally think it is okay or not okay for a Muslim to marry a non-Muslim and convert to his/her non-Islamic faith?

I might have backed that up with:

Do you personally think it is okay or not okay for a Muslim woman to marry a non-Muslim and convert to his faith?

The response to that would have been revealing - sure, they could lie, but it would be tougher for them to swallow.

Posted by: Infidel Pride

at May 22, 2007 6:30 PM

I think polls like this, and the arithmetic Westerners use to parse them is sometimes counterproductive.

To me, it's very important to learn from polls like this where the true fealty of Muslims resides. Does their loyalty lay with the countries in which they have immigrated, or does it lay with the Ummah and Dar ul Islam? Do they ever intend to integrate? Or do they not? Will the follow the examples of the Italians, and the Irish, and the Hindus and the Buddhists, and become part of the fabric of American and Western society? Or will they hold themselves separate from us, foster contempt and hatred for us, menace us, and plan our destruction?

One of the most ominous responses for me is to the question Did Arabs carry out 9/11 attacks?

28 % of American Muslims do not believe that Arabs or Muslims carried out the 9/11 attack.

32% of American Muslims refused to respond to this question.

This may mean that fully 70% of American Muslims have either a highly paranoic grasp of reality, or an ambivalent attitude towards 9/11 itself. Or they may be negatively affirming what most of them probably know -- that Islam and 9/11 in inextricably linked, that far more of them embrace on some level the attack, and that the most they're willing to say on the matter under current circumstances is "no comment" or "don't know".

Their answer/non-answer to this question indicates to me that 70% of American Muslims do not bear much or any loyalty to the truth -- and probably not much loyalty to America.

Elsewhere, the poll revealed that majorities of Muslims in Europe, and near majorities in America consider themselves Muslims first, and citizens of their adopted lands second.

Muslims in France and America were rougly similar (!), and stated that 45% and 46% respectively identified themselves first as Muslims. Near majorities both, ominous and interesting in itself.

It gets more harrowing though: In the UK, with the highest proportion of Muslims identifiying with Islam first, ( fully 81%!!!) followed by Spain (69%) and Germany (66%), the warning bells and alarums should be deafening.

As for deliberately bombing civilian targets -- I think issues like this are side shows -- and who knows what measures may prove necessary to stop the Jihadi Juggernaut which is engulfing the planet? I wouldn't want to pre-judge anything at this point...

Posted by: jsla

at May 22, 2007 6:53 PM

Hey Naseem, as a muslima, aren't you relieved that mohammedans leave your hands off of the extensive list of body parts muslimas have to keep cover up?

After all, you may have some difficulty in typing your consistent crappola on this site if you were forced to wear gloves.

Posted by: Prickzilla

at May 22, 2007 6:57 PM

"Every candidate should be asked if they have read the quran.If they say they had then they should be asked to prove it."

from post by Dar-al-Harb

The question is do they understand it? Have any of them seen or spoken to or read anything about Prime Minister Erdogan of Turkey?
Do they understand that Islam and democracy are totally incompatible and that the proof comes right from the mouth of an elected official from Islam's "first democracy"?

You cannot be both secular and a Muslim! You will either be a Muslim, or secular! When both are together, they create reverse magnetism [i.e. they repel one another]. For them to exist together is not a possibility! Therefore, it is not possible for a person who says 'I am a Muslim' to go on and say 'I am secular too.' And why is that? Because Allah, the creator of the Muslim, has absolute power and rule!"

Posted by: PMK

at May 22, 2007 6:58 PM

Off Topic

I have been reading up and researching a terrorist, a murderer and a cold blooded warrior. He can be described like Mohammad. He is worshiped and iconized like him. His face is seen on many t-shirts, especially with the youth in this age. There is a movie about him that will be released shortly. Yet, Hollywood and the Politically Correct Media treats him like a saint. Despite the evil intentions of this man he has many sympathizers, especially amongst the youth and Latin America. His name is Che Guevara. My question is this: Why do so many Iconize a cold blooded murderer?

Posted by: The Resistance

at May 22, 2007 7:11 PM

One in four???

LMAO...where did they do this evaluation?
Greensberg Kansas???
LMAO...
WAY low estimate.
PEW research, known for its leftiness, is a really big clue, and credibility compromised at best.
It's owned by pew charitable trust (oxymoronic term)
details here...
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/funderProfile.asp?fndid=5213

It's a LOT higher than 1 in 4.

Posted by: jcom972

at May 22, 2007 7:17 PM

Oops, my arithmetic is obviously counterreproductive--> 32%+28% = 60%, not 70% as I state above. Can I blame it on roundoff error due to IFS? *(Islamofascism Fatigue Syndrome)

Posted by: jsla

at May 22, 2007 7:27 PM

This is related and slightly off topic, the new President of France, wants to stop illegal immigration, and said a lot more which you will not hear from the local media.. did not want immigrents coming to France without knowledge of French laws and language, ie no killing of sheep in the bathtub. ie meant to tell muslims get lost back to your cesspoolstan if you want to keep your islam.
sorry Naseems, there will be NO sharia, mild or spicy, NO SHARIA allowed. you get a one way ticket out of France! vive la France!

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess

at May 22, 2007 7:57 PM

"mild sharia" ????

i dont think that people that suggest having a "mild sharia" thought it through becouse:

u CANT HAVE MILD/SECULAR/SEMI SHAIRA becouse like all such text's its OPEN FOR INTERPETATION !!!!!

unlike LAWS wich arent open for interpetation so if some imam reads the koran and decides that fucking pre teen girls is ok then its the new addition to sharia law, while normal coltures have those things that called LAWS wich are clear and made by people leaving today and not 700+ years ago.

p.s
excuse my poor english hope u understand what i mean

p.s2
btw christians tried basing their laws on their bible, maybe u heard of the crusades and the spanish inquisition, and im sure if we jews would try making some kind of torah law we would fail also for the same reason christians failed and the same reason muslims are failing now.

Posted by: Bob

at May 22, 2007 8:12 PM

"mild sharia"...LMAO

That belongs in the same boat as former US surgeon general,Joycelyn Elders, remarks on another subject:
"we need to make safer guns...& safer bullets."

LMAO

Posted by: jcom972

at May 22, 2007 8:24 PM

Most Muslims are against killing innocent people. The guilty are those non-Muslims who are not subjugated as dhimmis or those Muslims who transgress Sharia, or are members of heretical sects.
Words in Islam mean what the Qur'an means them to mean, neither more nor less. Humpty Dumpty was a Muslim.

Posted by: jewdog

at May 22, 2007 8:25 PM

All four need to go HOME!

Posted by: MZ

at May 22, 2007 8:27 PM

And on the same day this poll appears, this crowded shopping mall bombing happens.

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L22619461.htm

Not to worry, "nothing to do with terrorism" and certainly not our government's beloved Religion of Peace.

Coming soon (again) to a mall near you.

If there are no muslims, there is no jihad.

Posted by: Arm A. Geddon

at May 22, 2007 10:03 PM

Some US Muslims justify suicide attacks."

The next time you see a Muslim walking down the street in a US city, remember this.

If ever you fool yourself into thinking Islamic acts of terror happen "somewhere else", remember this.

The next time you are told Islam is being "hijadked" by extremists remember this.

The next time you see Nancy Pelosi or some other idiot liberal in the US government speaking on behalf of CAIR or Islam in any of its incarnations, remember this.

The next time you see some Eurotrash on CNN telling the world how the US support for Israel is responsible for most of the world's Islamic acts of mass murder remember this.

If you see a mosque going up in your city, remember this.

If you are told that "Islam is peace" remember this.

If you are not worried about Muslim-in-denial Obama candidate's potential to win the US presidency, remember this (he's Islamic but is hiding it from the US public).

Remember this period!

Posted by: pythagoras

at May 22, 2007 10:33 PM

"One in four"

That's one too many.

"say suicide bombings to defend their religion are acceptable at least in some circumstances"

What a pack of lies.

Posted by: champ

at May 22, 2007 10:39 PM

pythagoras-

A memorable memento mori.

Posted by: profitsbeard

at May 22, 2007 10:43 PM

Those are the ones telling the truth...

Posted by: Allahfanculo

at May 22, 2007 10:49 PM

Agreed with profitsbeard, an excellent post by pythagoras.

Remember. Remember in 2008, when it matters. For surely we shall be "reminded", probably more than twice.

Choose your candidates wisely in 2008.

Posted by: awake

at May 22, 2007 11:24 PM

The really frightening thing is that 60% of the muslims according to this poll are 9-11 conspiracy theorists, now if that is not a vast majority of extremists I don't know what is.

Posted by: NicephorusPhocas

at May 22, 2007 11:58 PM

"I am not under 30, but as a muslima I would like to say that suicide bombing are not acceptable under any circumstances.
Only peaceful dawa is acceptable.

Naseem,

"not acceptable under any circumstances"? So why are so many young Muslims killing themselves in the name of Jihad.

They must believe that the circumstances and Islamic theology find it perfectly acceptable -- so much so that they receive special rewards in paradise.

I think you'd better take a closer look at your religion.

Posted by: rational

at May 23, 2007 12:21 AM

"One in four" of U.S. Muslims under 30 "say suicide bombings to defend their religion are acceptable at least in some circumstances"

It's certainly comforting to know that several hundred thousand Muslims in our country believe that suicide bombings are "acceptable at least in some circumstances"

I wonder if those circumstances include insulting Islam or a cartoon depicting Mohammad?

I suppose we'll have to guess at what the "circumstances" are, and hope we don't cross the unacceptable line.

I thought this was America.

Posted by: rational

at May 23, 2007 12:31 AM

It is harder to be a Muslim since 9-11! Ya think?!
Sez 80% (That is because they did it to the married ones) 13% (double that) 67% That is alot!
Hair raising"" I will have to add that to my "NEWS FUNNIES"! Then a very top you have 2% 13% 1%=26% justify-sometimes-rarely-(and what ever excuse -peer pressure-mental pressure inside struggle). What a ?ened! A muslim woman doesn't mean sht anyways right? Who learks in these shadows?

Posted by: MZ

at May 23, 2007 12:33 AM

Reading the results of this poll, it's clear that the Pew Research Center is a racist, bigoted group of islamophobes....No?

Posted by: Xero G

at May 23, 2007 1:13 AM

"The poll briefly describes the rationales for and against "suicide bombing and other forms of violence against civilian targets" and then asks, "Do you personally feel that this kind of violence is often justified to defend Islam, sometimes justified, rarely justified, or never justified?"

The question did not specify where a suicide attack might occur, who might carry it out or what was meant by using a bombing to "defend Islam."

Who in Hell put that poll together? Asking if suicide bombing is justified to defend Islam without determining what constitutes that defense is moronic.

Nonetheless, violent 'defence' of Islam in this country violates U.S. law.

The respondents should have been asked if suicide bombing is ever justified, in the United States, to 'defend' Islam.

Posted by: PRCS

at May 23, 2007 1:27 AM

lol...no.
islamoPHILES...their count is too low.
They know the count is true so to say it doesn't exist would be self-marginalizing, so they merely keep it as low as possible to make it look more harmless than it actually is (as if 1 is harmless at all).

Not the first time such "polls" have been fudged deliberately, and certainly won't be the last-some are even more malicious.

Posted by: jcom972

at May 23, 2007 1:29 AM

PRCS

Pew research center...here's the link on the organization I posted earlier.
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/funderProfile.asp?fndid=5213

Posted by: jcom972

at May 23, 2007 1:43 AM

"We have crazies just like other faiths have them," said Eide Alawan

This simply is not true; as there's nothing crazier than blowing yourself up for an evil cause.

Posted by: champ

at May 23, 2007 1:57 AM

jcom,

Thanks. I knew it was PEW; I was wondering what nitwit in that organization formulated the questions.

Bob

Posted by: PRCS

at May 23, 2007 2:56 AM

On that vastly overinflated number of Muslims in America: it is very important to organizations like CAIR that people think there are more Muslims in America than Jews (around 5-6 million Jews in the US). I knew they were lying but I didn't realize by how much.

Posted by: Gary Rosen

at May 23, 2007 3:18 AM

"One in four" of U.S. Muslims under 30 "say suicide bombings to defend their religion are acceptable at least in some circumstances"

I just find this absolutely appalling!!!

If this is the case, just imagine how many wont say so but would PRIVATELY support this.

SICK!

Posted by: Scarecrow

at May 23, 2007 4:45 AM

PRCS
LOL...as if there's only ONE nitwit there?
(sarc)

nah, pew isn't the only one...90% of these polls strategies is based on the particular way they ask questions. I'm still a member of two of them,
Harris & Ipsos. I know all too well how their wording of the question can make ALL the difference in the world (one reason I no longer poll for ABCnews & CNN/USAtoday/Gallup because their loaded questions are unbelievably BS).

Posted by: jcom972

at May 23, 2007 5:33 AM

Equate this to being a juror and you would have to submiss sooner or later. Or we get a hung trial! So these are not good #ers!

Posted by: MZ

at May 23, 2007 6:18 AM

jcom,

"...as if there's only ONE nitwit there?"

Good point; and funny, too.

"[The]wording of the question can make ALL the difference..."

That is very true, and I'll always wonder how much more outraged the American public would be to find that American Muslims believe suicide bombings are acceptable, right here in the good ole' USA, in order to 'defend' Islam.

Posted by: PRCS

at May 23, 2007 10:05 AM

Well, too early to tell just yet, but...
So far, even out here in the peoplez republik of kalifornia, there's REALLY strong (and very nasty reaction) from even rank-n-file liberals out here, and it's all hostile towards mOslems.
Just got done talking to a friend of mine who owns a gun shop (he's also a cop) & said he has to open a half hour early because right this minute, there are 4 people waiting to get in...that doesn't happen very often out here...last time was 9/11.

A sign of things to come?
We'll see...lol

Posted by: jcom972

at May 23, 2007 10:41 AM

I live in the same republik.

Wonder what DiFi and BaBa think about this?

Posted by: PRCS

at May 23, 2007 3:00 PM

Well the whole question of suicide bombings is really a mis leading question anyway.

How many are willing to pick up automatic weopons and kill randomly?

How many are willing to go around slicing throats of infedels?

But then again in the back (or front) of the muslim mind there is always going to be that "it's resistance" both in the form of....

1)Resistance to moderate islam

2)resistance in the way infedels resist converting to islam.

Polls like these are worthless and in fact harmful because it lulls the slowly awakening public back to sleep.

The guy that said you can't be a muslim and a secular muslim at the same time is the politcal allah using the religious allah.There is no better example that islam needs seperation of church and state.

In fact with the seperations of church and state muslims can find that gift of life allah speaks of and not that curse of death the "heroes and lions and martyrs "are so eager to bypass by commiting murder suicide.

It's pretty amazing that these people are even allowed to mingle with anyother peoples of the world,they should be quarantined for the disease they carry.

This whole terrorism thing will end up one of those lumps under the congressional carpet along with immigration,abortion and medicare and social security,but the terrorism lump will be the deadliest and most harmful to the human race.

What muammad brought was nothing new,but evil and inhumane and this is what islam brings anytime on anyday since it's invention.

The ignorance of those "in charge" is flooring when it comes to islam.This poll proves it.As all the others have.

Actions speak louder than words.

I know you all know this so i will shut up now.

Posted by: Dar al-harb

at May 23, 2007 10:04 PM

They showed another poll 4 out of 5 students cannot go without their blackberry's! It is turning into "a problem". This made me realize just how many that really is! Alot alot!

Posted by: MZ

at May 24, 2007 3:29 PM

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