Fat boy Al-Sadr was a chicken when Sadaam was in power.

Posted by: Crusader at May 25, 2007 1:41 PM

HOw about demanding educational rights for women, or an abolition of the apostate death penalty, or the rights of Non Muslims to worship whatever religion the choose ....you know,, demand some worthwhile....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at May 25, 2007 1:43 PM

mama mama please - no more face lifts

I just don't know which one you is.

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at May 25, 2007 1:44 PM

On those TGIF nights, one suspects one can find Mr. Johndroe partying in Adams-Morgan with Sean McCormack and Sandra McIntosh.

You remember Sean McCormack and Sandra McIntosh, don't you?

You don't? It's been less than a week.

Perhaps this will refresh your memory:

"Since there are so many people, in and out of the State Department, attempting to peddle absolute nonsense on anything that has to with Islam (today it just happens to be Arafat's accompliace Mahmoud Abbas, who is in up to his neck in Israeli and American blood -- including the blood of several members of the State Department, killed on Arafat's orders in Khartoum), one hardly knows where to begin.

I was prompted, by this utter nonsense of Scott McCormack, to think back to another State Department "spokesman" for the State Department, who three years ago attempted, on behalf of that same State Department (good god, the State Department's public-relations efforts on behalf of the Jihad, Greater and Lesser, deserve Congressional investigation -- real and slow and methodical explanation, but beginning right now, and it might help if the Democrats were the ones to most noisily demand it) to convince us, the American publiic, that Muslims have had a deep and abiding connection to the United States (this is a claim carefully constructed, and presented by Muslims, as they tell the people of Western Euirope that without them, the Muslims, the Renaissance or modern science or this or that would not have been possible, tell the people of Australia that they, the Muslims, were its first explorers and settlers, and so on -- staking a claim, not that any claim outside the Word of Allah is necessary, to every bit of the Land of the Infidels).

McIntosh's nonsense did not go unnoticed by Robert Spencer, and an excerpt follows from his piece "State Plays Orwellian with Columbus":

FrontPageMagazine.com | August 26, 2004

"George Orwell knew that if you can control a people’s past, you can control its present; that’s why in 1984 he has a whole government department — the Ministry of Truth — devoted to rewriting history. Now, twenty years beyond Orwell’s nightmare year, we call the Ministry of Truth the State Department: in a press release issued Monday, “Islamic Influence Runs Deep in American Culture,” Phyllis McIntosh of State’s Washington File burbles that “Islamic influences may date back to the very beginning of American history. It is likely that Christopher Columbus, who discovered America in 1492, charted his way across the Atlantic Ocean with the help of an Arab navigator.”

Note this please: The State Department of the United States issued a press release, "Islamic Influence Runs Deep in American Culture." And this is what it contained:

"Islamic influences may date back to the very beginning of American history. It is likely that Christopher Columbus, who discovered America in 1492, charted his way across the Atlantic Ocean with the help of an Arab navigator."

Now tell us, please, who wrote this? Was it Phyllis McIntosh? If so, where is she now? But it probably wasn't she alone. It may have been some Karen-Hughes clone, or a group of "public diplomacy" idiots lying to "reach out to Islam." Who are they?

And who is behind Scott McCormack and his remarks about Abbas, so easily refuted by 30 years of Abbas's own life, own doings, own work as Arafat's accomplice and now as the sly, Janus-faced two-sides-of-the-mouth Slow Jihadist?

What does the State Department, what does Rice, what do the rest of them trying to give the Sunni Arabs what they want on Israel because they haven't the faintest idea how to exploit for our purposes the situation in, or even to extricate themselves with semi-dignity from, Tarbay Iraq.

Their nonsense and lies only breed contempt and disgust for the whole operation. There are no doubt some good people in the State Department. There are, no doubt, those in, for example the European desks, who are now alarmed by the demographic conquest of Western Europe. They must rise to the occasion. They must get Congress to stop the outright lying, and the attempt to mislead the public.

One intelligent and determined Congressman, if he refuses to be deterred, can do it."

[Posted by: Hugh at May 18, 2007 07:57 AM]

Posted by: Hugh at May 25, 2007 1:44 PM

I didn't realize what a pessimist I am. Sure and if we believe that they have a bridge to sell ya!
Murderer Sadr just came out of hiding in Iran.
Gee I wonder where are soldiers are? They certainly keep the ball rolling don't they? So this means something going on against Israel. This is another deterent. Jiziyya!

Posted by: MZ at May 25, 2007 2:06 PM

assassinate him and send him to hell asafp.

Posted by: LosHwy66 at May 25, 2007 2:06 PM

sorry, new word taqiyya!

Posted by: MZ at May 25, 2007 2:09 PM

What's next? Muqtada al-Sadr performing a stirring musical number from, "No, No, Nanette?"

Hmm, as I think about that,,, I guess he would have to change the Jimmy Smith character from a Bible publisher/multi-millionaire to a Qur'an publisher/suicide bomber...

Cheers,

http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com

Posted by: Doctor Bulldog at May 25, 2007 2:11 PM

"No, no for Satan. No, no for America. No, no for the occupation. No, no for Israel, No, no for reason. No, no for tolerance. No, no for rationality No, no for enlightenment. No, no for wonderment. No, no for joy. No, no for love. No, no for pleasure. No, no for sensuality. No, no for peace. No, no for grace. No, no for just about everything. Yes, yes for war. Yes, yes for booty. Yes, yes for death. Yes, yes for destruction. Yes, yes for hate. Yes, yes for perpetual outrage. Yes, yes for silly Halloween costumes. Yes, yes for beards." he chanted in a call and response with the audience at the start of his speech.

Posted by: hierophant at May 25, 2007 2:12 PM

yes yes yes for b.o. , ugly clothes, and bad teeth....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at May 25, 2007 2:16 PM

lol exsgtbrown
but you could get in trouble i.e. "ammunition to our enemies" argument.

Just to clarify I know a few Christians/Jews/Hindus etc.etc. with bad teeth etc. etc.

Posted by: hierophant at May 25, 2007 2:25 PM

damn, he could give hillary a run for the money,
are we sure the AP didn't cross this up with a wire from our democratic hopeful's??
I wonder how he'd do in a DNC poll...

Posted by: butthead at May 25, 2007 2:43 PM

check!...at least the Christians/Jews/Hindus don't affix death to every event/situation under the sun....

....and they don't force conversion upon you nor do they want to to submit to the status of a slave...

...and they have personality....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at May 25, 2007 2:43 PM

this sadr no, no, no theme sounds like some old rock song. also the word 'no" is usually the first word a baby says.. poor sadr is going just a baby at heart. he is out of hiding, need some big reward for his death, bombs away!

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at May 25, 2007 2:44 PM

But he will say "YES,YES" to Islamic beheadings, amputations, stonings, whippings, and beatings.

Posted by: pythagoras at May 25, 2007 2:46 PM

What planet does Gordon Johndroe live on?

He lives on planet Bush.

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at May 25, 2007 2:46 PM

it is a shame our Marines , who were at his doorstep in Fallujah...annihilating the terrorists, were called off by "our government!"....he was cornered like a rat and we were about 10 steps away from turning him into a graveyard dead terrorist wannabee....It pains me son....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at May 25, 2007 2:47 PM

Sadr is pure evil...

Nevertheless, can you blame him for being frustrated? Everytime USA announces a surge, the Shia mujahadeen hide out and the result is an explosion of Sunni on Shia violence. It's obvious to me, so it's obviously obvious to Sadr, that the passive-aggressive American policy is a joke.

I'm sure he believes (and I believe) that the Sunnis need to taste a little Shia ruthlessness and that as long as Uncle Sam is around to keep order in the classroom, life will be a non-stop game of tit-for-tat with the shia taking the brunt of the bloodshed.

I wish we would let Sadr and his henchmen loose on the Sunni. The sooner the better so that the main show can begin. I too am getting tired watching previews.

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at May 25, 2007 3:00 PM

'positive' for a muslim means they halt their torture and death - for a while. It is never permanent, and it is up to those in power for how long the halt in death and torture will last. And hey, in this case - they can still kill non-muslims so this is as positive as it gets for a muslim!

Posted by: R_not at May 25, 2007 3:03 PM

Sarge - Let me adjust my pedant's cap... ok, now I'm ready. The U.S. campaign against the forces of Fat-Boy Sadr took place in Najaf with fighting centered on the huge necropolis adjacent to the Imam Ali shrine. Many U.S. forces were from 1st Armored Div. Fallujah is Sunni (and jarhead) territory.

Posted by: MP at May 25, 2007 3:04 PM

mama mama please - no more face lifts

Ugh! He needs more than that.

It is likely that Christopher Columbus, who discovered America in 1492, charted his way across the Atlantic Ocean with the help of an Arab navigator."

What I remember learning is that an Arab translator was brought on the voyage because they were trying to get to China, where there were allegedly Arabic speakers.

I wish we would let Sadr and his henchmen loose on the Sunni.

I would be in favor of that, if there were some way to get the extremists of both sects to attack each other, instead of blowing up innocent people, mosques and shrines.

Posted by: Bigfoot at May 25, 2007 3:07 PM

"Al-Sadr traveled in a long motorcade from Najaf to the adjacent holy city of Kufa. .

So shy wasn't his car hit with some American heavy caliber ammo? What, no apaches in the area?

Posted by: walterc at May 25, 2007 3:08 PM

errr... an addendum. Fighting in Najaf included Marine rifle companies who performed in the best tradition of the Corps. Apologies to our Devil Dog friends (and exsgtbrown) for my ignorance! M.P.

Posted by: MP at May 25, 2007 3:12 PM

An Arab navigator! No wonder Columbus thought that he was in India.

Posted by: MP at May 25, 2007 3:13 PM

But wait....

"In Washington, National Security Council spokesman Gordon Johndroe expressed hope that al-Sadr's reappearance signaled that he wanted "to play a positive role inside Iraq."

"He has an opportunity to be a part of the political reconciliation process. We'll see if he and his followers participate," he said."

He can participate in the new Iraq. How wonderful! And some of you figured that G.W. was trying to kill him when in truth he wanted him to participate new Iraq.

Please I beg end this farse now!

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at May 25, 2007 3:23 PM

What I find so interesting about 'the voyages of Discovery' is that they were the direct result of Mohammedan extortion.

The overland trade routes via Constantinople had been taken over by Muslims and getting spices and other Asian things had become too problematic and expensive - so Western nations looked for alternate trade routes and discovered new worlds in the process.

Meanwhile the Turks and Islam sat on the old roads and ways and never progressed any farther.

The lights went on in my child's eyes when she saw the root cause of Columbus' voyage... the need to find a way around the extortion of Muslim traders in Constantinople.

The idea that some hitherto unknown moorish navigator provided essential skills to Columbus' initial voyage of discovery is pure PC gloss and utter bullshit.

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at May 25, 2007 3:26 PM

Al-Sadr is nothing that a good eye and a steady finger can't take care of.

Posted by: Foehammer at May 25, 2007 3:36 PM

Foehammer

"Al-Sadr is nothing that a good eye and a steady finger can't take care of."

How much do you want to bet it will be an American good eye and steady finger?

G.W. and his generals lack the guts for that kind of thing.

Once again I will repeat the quotes from the link below of the General Petraeus plan (from Jan. 2007) when he took command...

"In Mosul he entered an area with 110,000 former Iraqi Army soldiers and 20,000 Kurdish militiamen. But unlike the tactics in much of Iraq, General Petraeus took pride in conducting raids with minimum violence."

"He introduced “cordon and knock”: Houses were surrounded, but not entered, and suspected insurgents were invited to turn themselves in. He allowed imams to inspect his jails and never blindfolded detainees."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article1291624.ece

Yep this is the fellow who is command now.

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at May 25, 2007 3:46 PM

Hugh sez:Now tell us, please, who wrote this? Was it Phyllis McIntosh? If so, where is she now? But it probably wasn't she alone. It may have been some Karen-Hughes clone, or a group of "public diplomacy" idiots lying to "reach out to Islam." Who are they?

Good questions all. There seems seems to be a concerted and deliberate plan to mis-lead the American public about Islam. This is a foolish move on thier part because, we, the posters here know they are lying, and so do a lot of the public.
Why they do this when they know that they will get caught in these lies, as Hugh and others have caught them. What are they getting in exchange for destroying thier own credibility?
This sounds like a conspiracy theory, but as I pointed out previously, that some if these are actualities.

Of course the ugly dude wants the US out. When the cats away the mice will play.

Posted by: duh_swami at May 25, 2007 3:52 PM

He also condemned fighting between his Mahdi Army militia and Iraqi security forces, saying it "served the interests of the occupiers."
--Al-Sadr, quoted from the article--

Indeed. Now where have I heard of that concept before...?

Posted by: awake at May 25, 2007 4:11 PM

One kind of collateral damage from Iraq has been our standards. Things must be pretty bad if Al-Sadr is playing a "positive role". It's all part of dumbing down victory. Now our tax dollars fund the Ministry of the Convenient Truth.

Posted by: jewdog at May 25, 2007 4:15 PM

Sadr would not have crawled out of his condo if he had not received a "permission slip" from the American military. He is a lump of coal in leaving his followers to die in numbers while he dined for another day.
There is allot going on with the tubby boy in a turban in cutting deals with Malaki and getting out of Dodge with American support before the crackdown came. Logic would dictate that the State Department in building up Sadr knows very well he sold out to America and is turning over information to kill his own followers "who are pretenders to his wool carpet".

I would not share the above thoughts, but I remember Falujah and other things of Iraq with those protesting marchers which Sadr had a hand in.....so if he is the west's puppet let his followers know it so the armed thugs of Sadramia make him dance to pay for the dead he caused.

The saddest part about this is in knowing the Iraqi school children, especially the 10 year old girls there with their bravery in going to school how they have more competitence than most in the government or the Mosques.......I will predict something though in America might be backing a darkhorse Sunni who is head of intel who has been doing a wonderful job.

Posted by: Lame Cherry at May 25, 2007 4:17 PM

The war isn't been properly executed, that much is obvious by now. I'd like to find out why. I have a very difficult time believing that there aren't commanders-in-the-field that aren't thinking along the same lines I am.

Until the enemy is defined, marginalized and scared like hell of us, we are losing this war.

In other words, Islam IS winning, folks. Don't believe that? Just look at what's going on right here in the United States every month. And this is just the tip of the tip of the tip of the iceberg. Give it another 20 years and I am convinced we'll be in the middle of a civil war here on several grounds, not the least of which will be people like me will finally have run out of patience and decide that talk is cheap.

Posted by: Foehammer at May 25, 2007 4:32 PM

*double negative in that first paragraph -- you know what I meant.

Posted by: Foehammer at May 25, 2007 4:33 PM

Consider these recent related articles as evidence that another U.S. civil war isn't a fantasy, it's a reality in the making:

Islamic Glacier in America Moving Faster: North Carolina

26% of ‘fighting age’ Muslims in America support Jihad

Democracy to Anarchy Alert: New Mexico

Sanctuary Cities: Pushing Democracy Towards Anarchy (1)

Dead Taliban Leader Was Training U.S. Recruits

Muslim paramilitary compound flourishes in upper New York state

And there's much more where these came from...

What a fine mess we're getting ourselves into by not having the fortitude to deal with the Islamofascists and their Leftofascist allies, right here, right now. Instead, we do exactly the opposite -- we allow inroads into our schools, our city halls, our media, our publishers, our Federal Government and even our Congress.

Damn fools.

Posted by: Foehammer at May 25, 2007 4:41 PM

In Iraq ?

This guy must be taken out by a bullet or in a Hummer. He is an enemy unamenable to reason, and well burdened with evidence of murder and collusion.

Why is he, being in Iraq, not on his way to room temperature ?

That he should be at liberty is an abomination.

Posted by: dgene at May 25, 2007 4:53 PM

Foehammer

"I have a very difficult time believing that there aren't commanders-in-the-field that aren't thinking along the same lines I am."

They have left the military because nobody listens to them or they have been shipped to Alaska (or some other "American Siberia") for talking too much. Bush and Co. want team players at the top.

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at May 25, 2007 4:53 PM

LOL...I'm sure hitler, stalin, mao, pol pot, amin, saddam, and their ilk wanted to be a "positive" role in their countries, too.
LOL

Posted by: jcom972 at May 25, 2007 5:55 PM

Sadr travels in a motorcade and there are no IED's?

This proves to me that they are all Iranian.

He should have been taking a dirt nap for 3 years, already.

Time for his 72 year old virgin (the real translation of that pimpy paradise promise).

Posted by: profitsbeard at May 25, 2007 6:34 PM

@profitsbeard:

Excellent point.

Posted by: Foehammer at May 25, 2007 8:13 PM

Foehammer-

If they were smarter, they would have had at least one near-miss IED/EFP for effect, to throw off suspicion.

In their arrogance, they are transparent.

Posted by: profitsbeard at May 25, 2007 9:57 PM

A couple of Heavily armed Regiments should have surrounded this crowd Enclosed it wit Razor Wire and declared them all under Arrest. Instant Jail for the Biggest trouble makers in Iraq.

How much easier could it get than to take all these people into Custody when they all get together for a Hate Fest. It is not much of a stretch to think the ones bold enough to Gather with friends and chant kill, are the same ones actually doing it every chance they get.

A couple of 6,000 man hauls and suddenly the Streets get quiet.

Posted by: flowerknife_us at May 25, 2007 10:43 PM

"No, no for Satan. No, no for America. No, no for the occupation.

An appreciative bunch, these Shiite Moslems. Demanding, too.

Nancy Pelosi needs to fly in to Nasra in via her plush new gubmint bought Boeing 737 and meet eye-to-eye with Muqtada. Work things out. Solve some problems.

Hopefully she'll have a NY Times reporter present to record history being made.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at May 25, 2007 10:54 PM

Gordon Johndroe

Where do we get these idiots and who put them there?

We did.

So what are we going to do about it?

Nothing.

Posted by: Sheik er' Bouti at May 25, 2007 11:03 PM

He says no-way? I say JEHWEH!

Posted by: MZ at May 26, 2007 1:18 PM