"Can anyone explain why Spain should admit anyone from Morocco "

because to do other wise would be considered "racist" by the U.N, the E.U and prolly the USA. anyway spain owns part of morocco, northern ceuta north of morocco. it would be like the USA owning part of mexico and refusing to allow in any mexicans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceuta

Mr Spencer, western nationalist parties have called on mass deportations, a curb on immigrants from developing countries and the closure of borders since teh 1950's, only to find that their calls for tighter border controls is a racist policy.
are you finally now siding with the western nationalist parties? i hope so.

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at May 28, 2007 11:23 AM

Why admit them, indeed, after the 2004 Atocha train station massacre, which was carried out by Muslim Moroccans. But that event merely caused people to cower and vote in Bambi, a Socialist who won't take firm steps, unless it's to retreat quickly.

Posted by: jewdog at May 28, 2007 12:16 PM

I don't know how the situation is in Morocco, but in neighboring Algeria, for example, there are many people who belong to Amazigh tribes, i.e. Kablye, Chawi, Saharan. Some of them are closet christians, others, staunch secularist pagans and still others muslims of either a name only stripe or refromers who are actually attempting to bring islam away from its current militant interpretations. They are often many times mor eassimilated than their arabist islamic counterparts and oven migrate to the west to escape cultural and at times religous persecution. Until the time comes when the west proves willing to support the autonomous amazigh movments in the kabyle and elsewhere in North Africa, then probably they should be able to admit North African Amazigh, who often have much more potential to contribute to their host countries then the arabists, and provide them opportunities to explore their cultural background and in some cases apostasize without persecution.

For Algeria and Morocco, however, only the Amazigh peoples, Pagan, Closet Christian and muslim reofrmist or muslim in name only, should truly be considered. I would concur that from North Africa, given the current situation with resurging jihadists, that would be about it.

Posted by: maxwell46&2 at May 28, 2007 12:56 PM

I don't know how the situation is in Morocco, but in neighboring Algeria, for example, there are many people who belong to Amazigh tribes, i.e. Kablye, Chawi, Saharan. Some of them are closet christians, others, staunch secularist pagans and still others muslims of either a name only stripe or refromers who are actually attempting to bring islam away from its current militant interpretations. They are often many times mor eassimilated than their arabist islamic counterparts and oven migrate to the west to escape cultural and at times religous persecution. Until the time comes when the west proves willing to support the autonomous amazigh movments in the kabyle and elsewhere in North Africa, then probably they should be able to admit North African Amazigh, who often have much more potential to contribute to their host countries then the arabists, and provide them opportunities to explore their cultural background and in some cases apostasize without persecution.

For Algeria and Morocco, however, only the Amazigh peoples, Pagan, Closet Christian and muslim reofrmist or muslim in name only, should truly be considered. I would concur that from North Africa, given the current situation with resurging jihadists, that would be about it.

Posted by: maxwell46&2 at May 28, 2007 12:57 PM

I don't know how the situation is in Morocco, but in neighboring Algeria, for example, there are many people who belong to Amazigh tribes, i.e. Kablye, Chawi, Saharan. Some of them are closet christians, others, staunch secularist pagans and still others muslims of either a name only stripe or refromers who are actually attempting to bring islam away from its current militant interpretations. They are often many times mor eassimilated than their arabist islamic counterparts and oven migrate to the west to escape cultural and at times religous persecution. Until the time comes when the west proves willing to support the autonomous amazigh movments in the kabyle and elsewhere in North Africa, then probably they should be able to admit North African Amazigh, who often have much more potential to contribute to their host countries then the arabists, and provide them opportunities to explore their cultural background and in some cases apostasize without persecution.

For Algeria and Morocco, however, only the Amazigh peoples, Pagan, Closet Christian and muslim reofrmist or muslim in name only, should truly be considered. I would concur that from North Africa, given the current situation with resurging jihadists, that would be about it.

Posted by: maxwell46&2 at May 28, 2007 12:58 PM

The fundamental problem with the Muslim community, all over the world, is that they want all the privileges the modern society provides without an inclination to contribute. On top of that, they are often critical of the societies they move into. That's why whenever people want them to criticize terrorism, they often retort with a "why should we be apologetic for what some Muslim brothers do?"

I think when you migrate, and when the new community embraces you, you can at least openly condemn the attacks your brothers and sisters unleash upon these welcoming communities.

Posted by: Amrit Hallan at May 28, 2007 1:10 PM

"The fundamental problem with the Muslim community, all over the world, is that they want all the privileges the modern society provides without an inclination to contribute.

but dont you see the folly of this all? spain is in morocco! they own northern morocco. until they return ceuta to the moroccans then it is hypocritical of them to deny moroccans entry to spain. moroccans have easy access to the spanish mainland due to this "loophole".

britain, spain, france and germany are now paying heavily for their military imperialistic empire grabbing. its time to say sorry, close up the borders and deport. time to stop supporting all middle eastern nations (except israel)

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at May 28, 2007 2:07 PM

O/T but interesting slightly dated link:

“Black American linked with Al Qaeda found in Belize - 15th U.S. fugitive to be caught in Belize for 2006”
…
“The fugitive was a practicing Muslim and was welcomed by his brothers,”

Denver-born with Mexican passport.

http://www.amandala.com.bz/index.php?id=5251

Posted by: pez at May 28, 2007 2:10 PM

Can anyone explain why [any country in Western Europe or North America] should admit anyone from a [majority Muslim country or admit a Muslim from any country where Muslims are trying to overthrow another government]?

OT:

It seems that roadside bombs are being set by members of the IRAQI army!! Is this friendship?

Posted by: PMK at May 28, 2007 3:20 PM

it would be like the USA owning part of mexico and refusing to allow in any mexicans

This is just about what the "the borders jumped us" crowd is saying. The U.S. owns part of Mexico and thus we should let in Mexicans. Of course, none of those Mexicans or their apologists are ready to guarantee that the Mexicans will be content to stay within the former Mexican terrorities.

Back to topic:
In the minds of some of these radical muslims, Spain IS muslim terrority, illegally occupied by infidels for over 500 years. It's just like the muslim terrority of Palestine is occupied by Jews. (And I refer to ALL of Palestine/Isreal, not just the West Bank and Gaza.)

Posted by: Bigfoot at May 28, 2007 4:58 PM

'it would be like the USA owning part of Mexico and refusing to allow in any Mexicans '
A outstanding difference is MEXICANS ARE MOSTLY CHRISTIANS.
A JWatcher posted britishoppression.com-had a look at it last night-urge others to take a look too. Starts with saying from Bukhari
'Help your brother,whether he is an oppressor is is oppressed...'
[Gotta to hand it to Islam:they don't bother about even a pretense of RATIONALITY.]
Usual lying propaganda but dangerous too-this is U K site. If this isn't a blatant,radicalising one-don't know what is...

Posted by: Morgane at May 28, 2007 8:37 PM

From above:"The fundamental problem with the Muslim community, all over the world, is that they want all the privileges the modern society provides without an inclination to contribute.

Then when the well runs dry they attack to steal more.
This is why there are warnings in national parks...DONT FEED THE BEAR'S. Why not, because when you run out of food, they get pizzed and attack.
We should not give muslims anything for the same reasons...

BTW...I notice some strange symbols in some posts. Is that secret code? Does Robert know about this?
Certainly Hugh does, he knows just about everything.
If this is code, where do we get our decripter rings...?

Posted by: duh_swami at May 28, 2007 8:48 PM

OT

This was a link from Fjordman at LGF

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http://www.aina.org/news/20070521194558.htm

Turkish Mosque's Chief Threatens Violent Revolt in Amsterdam

If Amsterdam city council bars construction of the Westermoskee mosque, a great demonstration of Turks from throughout Europe will be held. The possibility of this degenerating into violence cannot be ruled out, the Turkish organisation Milli Gorus warns.

The controversial Westermoskee in Amsterdam will be built come what may, said Fatih Dag of the Turkish mosque organisation in Trouw newspaper. If the government blocks its building, Milli Gorus will call on Turks throughout the whole of Europe to demonstrate. Dag hopes this would be a peaceful procession, but fears it could get out of hand. "Our people are emotional and someone crazy can just be walking among them," he said in the newspaper.

The building of the 42 metre tall, 18-million euros Neo-Ottoman Westermoskee was blocked months ago after Milli Gorus' orthodox German head office replaced management in Amsterdam. After that, reports surfaced that Milli Gorus had wheedled billions of euros out of Turks since the 1990s by having them invest in Islamic investment funds.

Amsterdam politicians advised against the building of the new Westermoskee in the 1990s for fears of the orthodox course, but after much lobbying, the project was last year dubbed a symbol of integration by the then Justice Minster Donner, who laid the foundation-stone. Last week, it was made known that municipal authorities and Milli Gorus had suspended their cooperation on the building anyway.

If the licence for the mosque is definitively withdrawn, this would be "extremely foolish," warns Dag. "I will then immediately call for a demonstration. If every Milli Gorus mosque in Europe sends a bus, it will certainly be busy. I have not tipped off Al Jazeera, but they will certainly get wind of it, and I will speak to them. That will go out to the entire Arabic world, cross my heart. All Muslims have a satellite dish, so they will see that a beautiful project for Muslims is being forbidden here."

"Do not forget", added Dag in Trouw, "that we began the project with a number of Turks, but with all the hindrance, it has now become a matter for many Muslims throughout the Netherlands. I expect a revolt among them, naturally within the legal boundaries, but still: Our people are more emotional than you Europeans. And there can be a crazy person among them."

Amsterdam's Mayor Cohen declined to comment on the apparent threats by Dag. According to his spokesman, the mayor does however want to hear "what is going on" personally from Dag.

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Posted by: Borg at May 28, 2007 10:51 PM

The Spanish hold Ceuta and whatever other North African enclaves for whatever historic reasons that they do..

However.. if they are unable to control the people going in and out of these places.. they might want to consider hading them over to Morocco..

In exchange for repatriating unwelcome interlopers into Europe.

Maybe Spain should open Ceuta and Merila to a Repatriation Programme for unwelcome interlopers desiring to take advantage of our soft European Social Systems..

Let us never forget... our main enemy is not the foreign interloper and anantage-taker.. but out main enemy is the homgrown enablers who are deepely entrenched in our bureaucracies..

Posted by: Allahfanculo at May 29, 2007 12:22 AM

it seems like the Muslim terrorist recruiters are active in several countries....They are trying to recruit those who look less Muslim and have access to areas unaccessable to non citizens. Everyone should be vigiliant and report all suspicious activity to the authorities....since many of the recruiters are immigrants from Muslim countries...it makes sense to slow down the Jihad by banning Muslim immigration....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at May 29, 2007 6:14 AM