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Thoughts on the Pew poll from FrontPage (news links in the original). Video here.
Some of the results of the Pew Research Center poll of Muslims in America were startling: twenty-six percent of Muslims between the ages of eighteen and twenty-nine affirmed that there could be justification in some (unspecified) circumstances for suicide bombing, and five percent of all the Muslims surveyed said that they had a favorable view of Al-Qaeda. Given the Pew Center’s estimate of 2.35 million Muslims in America, and the total of thirteen percent that avowed a belief that suicide bombings could ever be justified, that’s over 300,000 supporters of suicide attacks. And 117,500 supporters of Al-Qaeda.It is unfortunate that the Pew Center pollsters were not equipped with a follow-up question for those who expressed support for suicide bombing, asking them about the circumstances in which they would consider it justified, and whether they would ever consider it justified in the United States. As columnist Diana West has noted: “the fact that a significant young chunk of American Islam believes such violence has a place in society indicates something closer to the end of unfettered political opinion. It may signal the beginning of physical coercion as a factor in the American political process.” The pollsters might also have asked those who professed support for Al-Qaeda whether they were working or would be willing to work to further that organization’s goals in the United States – but perhaps that kind of question shades too far over into what law enforcement officials should be doing.
In any case, the implications of this poll are far-reaching. Yet virtually no one is dealing with those implications. The mainstream media generally reported the poll results as indicating that the overwhelming majority of Muslims rejected extremism and were comfortably assimilated into American society, without dealing in detail with those troubling minorities. Headlines in major newspapers included “Poll: Most Muslims seek to adopt American lifestyle”; “Poll: US Muslims Feel Post-9/11 Backlash Despite Moderate Outlook”; “Muslims assimilate better in U.S. than Europe, poll finds”; “U.S. Muslims more content, assimilated than those abroad”; and “Pew Study Sees Muslim Americans Assimilating.”Meanwhile, two of the leading Islamic advocacy groups in the United States, the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) and the Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC), shrugged off the unpleasant aspects of the poll and stressed its findings about how well assimilated Muslims were. Ibrahim Hooper of CAIR told MSNBC’s Tucker Carlson, “I don’t see a rise of religious extremism in the Muslim community….If you look at the totality of the survey results, the views of American Muslims more or less mirror the views of people of all faiths of America.” He did not cite, however, any evidence for this mirroring – any survey, for example, of Christians or Jews indicating any significant percentages of support for, say, the Ku Klux Klan, or abortion clinic bombers. Terrorism expert Steven Emerson, meanwhile, confronted Edina Lekovic of MPAC on CNBC’s Lawrence Kudlow show, reading an editorial in praise of Osama bin Laden published in the UCLA Muslim Students Association’s newspaper in 1999, while she was editor of the paper. Lekovic denied having been the editor of the paper at that time, but Emerson has made available a pdf of the paper’s masthead that lists her as editor. Kudlow had asked Lekovic what Muslims in America were doing to combat the jihadist views expressed by some in the poll, and she stated that they were doing a great deal, but offered no specifics – and the incident with Emerson damaged her credibility. In fact, neither the CAIR nor the MPAC website contains any announcement about any program or initiative of any kind designed to lessen support for suicide bombing and Al-Qaeda within the Muslim community in America.
And therein lies the problem. The mainstream media’s soothing reports about the poll not only misled the American public about the poll results; they also failed to call American Muslim advocacy groups to account for those results. The first question in every media analyst’s mind should have been, What do Muslim groups plan to do to combat the spread of the jihadist ideology of Islamic supremacism among Muslims in America? Pointing out that most Muslims in America eschew that ideology is not enough; what about the others? Almost six years after 9/11, no pressure is coming either from the mainstream media or law enforcement for Muslim groups in the United States to institute comprehensive educational programs against jihadism in their mosques and schools. This poll, however, shows how much such programs are needed – as well as a national debate about how these groups should be regarded if they refuse or fail to implement such programs.
But instead, we are supposed to be reassured that those holding jihadist sentiments number only a few hundred thousand. The public discourse about Islamic jihad has been dominated by fantasy since 9/11 and before that, and if anything, the fog is thicker now than ever.
Posted by Robert at May 30, 2007 6:24 AM
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Great job on the video, Robert. A very upsetting poll indeed. No offense to anyone reading this, but if the respondents to that poll belonged to some kind of a mainly white religious cult, the media would be all over them.
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at May 30, 2007 6:45 AM
'300,000 Supporters of Suicide Attacks in America'
And these are just the ones who couldn't be bothered to speak Taqiyya on day of the Poll...
Posted by: Morgane at May 30, 2007 6:49 AM
Why do we let these people (Muslims) in? We don't need them! Why let them in, esp. after this poll?
Posted by: darcy at May 30, 2007 7:16 AM
One more thing. One need not be a supporter of suicide attacks, or of violence as the preferred-at-present instrument of Jihad, to be a menace. The mere swelling of Muslim ranks, of those who, that is, feel that they have a duty to participate, collectively or, under certain conditions, individually, in Jihad to spread Islam, until it "everywhere dominates" as Muhammad said that it must, and Muslims rule everywhere, is a menace to non-Muslims. Why? Because Islam uncompromisinigly divides the world between Believers and Infidels. It describes the relationswhip between the two as one of permanent war, if not necessariy permanent warfare ("war" can be conducted without conventional "warfare"). It divides the land of this world essentially between Dar al-Islam, the House of Islam, and Dar al-Harb, the House of War. It is the duty of Muslims to work to expand the former and shrink the latter, until the latter disappears altogether. No reader of Qur'an, Hadith, and sira can deny this, and such denial constitutes an example of deliberate deception -- the "deception" that Muhammad defined as the essence of war ("War is deception") and practiced what he, the Model of Right Conduct (uswa hasana), he, the Perfect Man, al-insan al-kamil, preached. Even if individual Muslims may harbor secret doubts, secret misgivings, the pressure on them to conform, and to end up out of fear or filial piety or something other than rational heartfelt support, to end up as Defenders and Thereby Promoters of the Faith) have misgivings, they still offer, in the end, their loyalty not to the Infidel nation-state or Infidels in that state, but to the collective or Community of Islam, the ummah al-islamiyyah. That is as they have been taught, and the amazing hold of Islam on its adherents, the amazing way in which the habit of mental submission is inculcated, free and skeptical inquiry not only discouraged but often severly punished (see what happens to those Muslims, even some scholars of Islam, who during the long 1350-year history of Islam have attempted to question in any way the truth of, or still worse to leave outright, that violently defensive belief-system).
Participants in, or supporters of, suicide murders can garner headlines, and cause alarm. But that alarm should then be translated into study, and that study will reveal that the instruments of Jihad are many, and that, at this point in history, not suicide bombing, but rather the Money Weapon, Da'wa, and Demographic Conquest are the most effective ways to spread Islam within the Bilad al-kufr, the Lands of the Infidels.
Posted by: Hugh at May 30, 2007 7:53 AM
Another follow up question PEW researchers might have asked: "could there be justification in some circumstances for non-Muslim suicide bombers to target Muslims, or is Suicide bombing only justified when employed by Muslims?"
Posted by: rational
at May 30, 2007 8:12 AM
"Why do we let these people (Muslims) in? We don't need them! Why let them in, esp. after this poll?"
darcy,
Because in the igeology of the Multiculturalist and diversity crowed that have a stranglehold on government policy, we are an incomplete, less happy, unfulfilled and ignorant people without them.
That is the dogma our school systems operate on -- so why not our immmigration policies?
Posted by: rational at May 30, 2007 8:24 AM
The Goal of Muslims in America is to make the lives of the Americans miserable...i.e. taxi drivers who refuse to pick up people, store clerks who refuse to scan store products, Muslims who file frivilous law suits to tie up the court systems, Muslims who refuse to be photographed for driver licenses, id cards, and for security checks, Muslims who demand preferentrial treatment and special priviledges, Muslims who buy up real estate and begin the process of eliminating in one way or another all Non Muslims in the immediate neighborhood, Muslims who begin campaigns of hate dialogue and harrassment of bus,train,and plane riders, Muslims who are even taking over the prisions as prisoners....the list grows longer every day....it is time to take a stand...we can start by banning Muslim immigration..you do not want these people in your neighborhood...
Posted by: exsgtbrown at May 30, 2007 8:45 AM
you do not want these people in your neighborhood... Posted by: exsgtbrown
They're already in my neghborhood, exsgtbrown, and you're so right about not wanting them here. I've said this before, enough timest to bore everyone else, and I apologize for saying it again : I can see the mosque from where I'm sitting, right now. It's on my street, a few hundred yards away from my house.
Every single time one of the males of the species passes me while I'm in my yard, or even in my car, you wouldn't believe the filthy looks I get. I'm sure they think I should cover myself in their illustrious presence.
Anyhow, there are only about 300,000 of them, in the U.S. I'm sure we have room for more. I wonder if those people who are analyzing the Pew poll have taken into consideration the glut of adolescent boys who might have been deemed "too young" to participate in the poll.
For that matter, I wonder if they counted adolescent girls. The only way in their society for a female to garner genuine respect is to blow herself up.
Posted by: Abscedere at May 30, 2007 9:17 AM
Assalamau Laikum all,
Hugh says "Islam uncompromisinigly divides the world between Believers and Infidels".
While there is no doubt that there are several lund followers of Islam ...let us stay focussed on facts....Infedels are misguided ...being Allah's SWT slave is such an honour ....
My dawa (to invite non-Muslims to accept the truth of Islam) to those of you listening can (peacefully) charge others with the mission to change the very character and fabric of the Amerike (and the West) and insinuate the Allah's way into mainstream Amrika. This is the only way stop infedels whinging about the (handful) of woes of Islam.
Always remember...becoming a Muslim is a simple and easy process that requires no pre-requisites. One may convert alone in privacy, or in the presence of others. All you need to do is pronounce the “Shahada”, the testimony of faith, with sincere belief and conviction, and without further delay.
The “Shahada” is the first and most important of the five pillars of Islam. Upon entering Islam purely for the Pleasure of God, all of one’s previous sins are forgiven, and one starts a new life of piety and dawa.
You too can then start in your vacinity, ....the older infedel...don't bother with so much...look at youngsters...two examples are:
1) Students are routinely exposed in their classroom to new information and opinions, hence they tend to be more receptive to new beliefs and ideas. Schools are therefore fertile grounds where the seeds of Islam can be sowed inside the hearts of non-Muslim students...join night schools and talk about Islam. Organized efforts give better results and contain blessings of Allah SWT in them using words and actions.
2) When natural and human created disasters occur, Muslims should be the first ones to respond by setting up a disaster relief assistance booths, which collects money, canned food, clothes etc. This is the reason that Allah SWT bestows Islamic countries with so many disasters, the humane muslim gives a very positive picture of Islam and Muslims as servers of humanity. Although events such as 9/11 or a 7/7 are regretable, a classic example would be to stand in line and offer blood.
Remember that any hint of muslim blood in an infedel's body will go to the brain.....helping them to nuture their love for Allah SWT.
Please use every opportunity to sensitize non-Muslim peers to establish an environment in which everywhere a non-Muslim turns, he notices Islam portrayed in a positive way, is influenced by it and eventually accepts Islam with Allah's guidance, Insha Allah ....
you will not the fruits of your labour in 20 years time...a place can be available for you in paradise...being an infedel is not the end...the only way is ....muslim
Posted by: Naseem at May 30, 2007 9:27 AM
"Always remember...becoming a Muslim is a simple and easy process that requires no pre-requisites."
Posted by: Naseem
...the same can be said about dying...
at May 30, 2007 9:30 AM
Few 'journalists' or columnists caught the essential threat exposed by the Pew poll--the violent 'defense of Islam'--and none that I read pressed the issue.
This is not the seventh century, and the poll respondents live here in the United States--not the Arabian Peninsula.
Killing people, by whatever means, to 'defend' religious beliefs--in the 21st century--seems not to have caught their attention.
From a relevant AP article:
"The question did not specify...what was meant by using a bombing to "defend Islam."
It also, apparently, did not ask what Islam--a belief system--should be 'defended' from.
Why not?
What specific offenses would spur American Muslims to 'defend' Islam?
Does anyone or any group have a 'right', within the constraints of the U.S. Constitution or American law, to violently 'defend' their religious beliefs in this country?
Absolutely not!
So why wasn't the meaning of that 'defense' clarified?
Didn't the concept of violently 'defending Islam' raise those Pew pollsters' eyebrows, or those of the 'journalists' and columnists who reported the story?
Who will finally ask American Muslims to explain this?
Posted by: PRCS at May 30, 2007 9:31 AM
"Almost six years after 9/11, no pressure is coming either from the mainstream media or law enforcement for Muslim groups in the United States to institute comprehensive educational programs against jihadism in their mosques and schools. This poll, however, shows how much such programs are needed – as well as a national debate about how these groups should be regarded if they refuse or fail to implement such programs."
Excellent observation, Mr. Spencer. If Christian fundamentalists were teaching their children to hate Jews and Muslims and indoctrinating them into violence or martyrdom for Christian domination, the media and Homeland Security would take notice. If Christian fundamentalists were teaching their children that homosexuals should be killed for their lifestyle, or adulterers should be stoned to death, the media and law enforcement would take notice. If Christians were teaching the Holocaust was a myth and that Muslims were subhumans to be either dominated or slaughtered, the media and law enforcement would take notice.
As has been pointed out numerous times by other posters, the problem with Islam is that all roads lead to sharia, so it doesnt' really matter whether one is a moderate or a good muslim.
Posted by: BurkasforHitlery at May 30, 2007 9:32 AM
Doesn't this call for the violent overthrow of the government, in effect?
And isn't that a deportable or imprisonable offense?
Posted by: profitsbeard at May 30, 2007 9:56 AM
Hi Naseem,
I wish to extend a invitation to you: repent of your sins, and accept the salvation offered only by Jesus.
Jesus came not into the world to condemn it, but that the world could be saved through His shed blood on the cross. He is the way, the truth, and the life- no person shall enter into Heaven except through Him. The sacrifice Jesus made on the cross covered all of our sins. His shed blood, has made me clean. Jesus can do the same for you!!
I sincerely pray that you will turn from the darkness and sin in your heart and embrace the light of saving grace that only Jesus has to offer.
-Jeff
Posted by: livefreeordie! at May 30, 2007 10:08 AM
2) When natural and human created disasters occur, Muslims should be the first ones to respond by setting up a disaster relief assistance booths, which collects money, canned food, clothes etc. This is the reason that Allah SWT bestows Islamic countries with so many disasters, the humane muslim gives a very positive picture of Islam and Muslims as servers of humanity. Although events such as 9/11 or a 7/7 are regretable, a classic example would be to stand in line and offer blood. Posted by: Naseem
Naseem,
After Hurricane Charlie left me for two weeks without water or power, and with literally tons of tree limbs to cut up with my handsaw and drag to the road for eventual pickup, not a single Muslim came to my aid. Not one.
Now, was this because I'm a non-Muslim? Was it because I am a woman? Was it because I wasn't bundled from head to toe in Hijab, while I sweated in the Florida summer heat?
It certainly wasn't because no Muslims live close by, as they certainly do. Maybe Muslims *should* be the first to respond, but in my neighborhood, they aren't.
I met a young couple, just a few months ago, who were very poor and homeless. They told me that the person who answered the door at the mosque across the road, told them that the Muslims would help them out, if they (the young couple) converted to Islam.
When charity demands that you relinquish your values and your very soul, it's not charity. It's emotional blackmail.
I join Jeff in my best Christian wishes for your well-being, and pray to Jesus that he will open your eyes and restore your sight, as he did for so many people, with no regard for their ages, nationalities, nor even their religions.
By the way, I hope your husband's back is better. I've been away for a while, so if anything was mentioned about it, I missed it.
Posted by: Abscedere at May 30, 2007 10:35 AM
I am presently reading a book called Antichrist: Islam's Awaited Messiah, by Joel Richardson. While I am a Confessional Lutheran Christian, and I firmly believe that the pope and the Roman Catholic church are the antichrist (meaning the "other" christ in Greek)and the beast, the eschatological implications of this book are fascinating, because it deals primarily with Islamic eschatology. Jihad is a major tenet in Islam. This is a reality for "true" muslims, and they have made it our reality. It is not just their struggle against the western values and culture they presume to judge that motivates their violence. "True" muslims desire to recreate the fallen "Caliphate," consolidating their domination in the region and beyond to coerce "infidels" into either converting, or dying should they not convert to Islam; that religion of peace that so many liberal secularists assert it to be. Scriptures indicate that you will know the heart and mind of a man through the fruit of his actions. Contempt, hatred, and death rules the mind of a "true" muslim - the jihadist. These fruits will only ripen when their jihad is waged against Jews and Christians. Who will stand against this vile breed of murderers? Who will rid us of this cancer? In the USA this cancer grows within our borders. Our great republic is threatened from within and we just stand by, hoping that nothing else will happen to us from within. Why have there not been any pre-emptive strikes against jihadists in our country when we are spending billions on the Homeland Security Department (an added level of bureacracy I might add)?
Posted by: Triphammer at May 30, 2007 11:02 AM
Naseem is full of bovine fecal matter that she chooses to deposit here. She is a perfect example of why NOT TO convert to Islam. Anyone who converts to Islam without the pre-requisite of investigating just what you are converting to...has lost thier minds and gone mad. The perfect candidate for Islam.
If you convert, you can be just like Naseem, look what Allah(swt) has done for her.
We, in the west are in a ----load of trouble, we dont need it or them. Stop muslim immigration, get rid of mosques, get ready to street fight. These people are far more trouble than they are worth...
at May 30, 2007 11:09 AM
Assalamau Laikum Abscedere,
I am sorry to hear that Charlie left a bad impression on you. I too am no stranger to disasters as our own "charlie" killed about 70,000 of peoples here in Pak.
During the disaster though I DID see humane muslims...so many made the trip from the UK and brought relief (food, water etc) with them ...spending their own monies, time and effort....so whilst I am sorry of your plight ...including no muslim help...this is a bit of a misnoma...muslims usually help.
As to my own Anwer's "bad back"...i don't know if you were being flippant....but my Anwer was called to Allah SWT over a year ago....yes he died (eventually) of the injuries that he sustained in the earthquake.
As to the young couple...yes that Imam should have helped unconditionally...but I suspect he thought he could score a few points with Allah...getting an infedel to convert rates very highly within Islam....I have seen pictures of sikhs resisting conversion...I mean why....it is an honour to be a slave of Alla...Inshalla...I pray that someday you see what I see
Posted by: Naseem at May 30, 2007 11:25 AM
It would be nice for you to be a bit more fair about what is really going on in America. I know you know about this survey...lets see how you and your friends try to twist this up.
The survey, conducted in December 2006 by the University of Maryland's prestigious Program on International Public Attitudes, shows that only 46 percent of Americans think that "bombing and other attacks intentionally aimed at civilians" are "never justified," while 24 percent believe these attacks are "often or sometimes justified."
24%...Hmm were these Muslims or home grown Americans...Should we be scared of this as well or just blow it off. Should I be scared of my neighbors now because they may harbor these kind of ideas?
Posted by: eessaa at May 30, 2007 11:30 AM
Have you seen the poll !
More than one-third of U.S. soldiers in Iraq surveyed by the Army said they believe torture should be allowed if it helps gather important information about insurgents, the Pentagon disclosed Friday. . . .
In addition, about two-thirds of Marines and half the Army troops surveyed said they would not report a team member for mistreating a civilian or for destroying civilian property unnecessarily. "Less than half of Soldiers and Marines believed that non-combatants should be treated with dignity and respect," the report stated.
About 10 percent of the 1,767 troops in the official survey -- conducted in Iraq in the fall -- reported that they had mistreated civilians in Iraq, such as kicking them or needlessly damaging their possessions.
This make me feel safe. We in the Muslim community have our problems and so do you in your communities. But you have people like Rob misguiding you to believe this "threat" in America while people in our country harbor these sick thoughts...Muslims, Chrisitans, Jews an Atheists.
Dont be fooled by people who have all to push propaganda like this while things keep degenerating in America
Posted by: eessaa at May 30, 2007 11:37 AM
Regarding Naseem:
Always remember that in addition to her mental slavery to Allah and all the examples of failed societies where the masses are also afflicted with the same malaise, is the fact that Naseem consistentl refers to our conversion as becoming "wuslims", an adulterated for of Muslim, meaning a white or western Muslim, which is in and of itself a racial slur.
Naseem, besides being hopelessly lost in an ideology that supresses all life has to offer, most noticably to the unfortunate women of Islam, glorifies death with promises of a gluttonous bounty of virgins to enjoy in the afterlife, she is also a bigot.
Naseem is well aware that Islam is a vehicle for Arab supremacy, if one would actually condescend one's mind to acknowledge the inane fairy tale of Allah and Muhammad as remotely supreme, and she is also well aware that Islam creates nothing and can only sustain itself by taking from others, being all things in the non-Islamic world.
Truth be told, if Naseem or any Islamist ever truly had her way, with the world being clear of all obstacles to Allah's will, there still would not be peace. Islam always needs a party to exploit, so the logical choice would be non-Arabic Muslims, like those found in Darfur, and then ultimately us newly converted subordinate "wuslims", those unfortunates who actually fell for the trickery of servitude to the vengefulAllah and ethically-challenged Muhammad.
What do Arabs do in fully-Islamic, fully Arabic societies you ask? Well, that's what the women are for.
Pity her and pray for her salvation, for I do not know how useful the 72 virgins in the afterlife will be for her. The mere thought is haram for sure.
Posted by: awake at May 30, 2007 11:39 AM
If Christians were teaching the Holocaust was a myth and that Muslims were subhumans to be either dominated or slaughtered, the media and law enforcement would take notice. - BurkasforHitlery
I agree with your premise. However, Jihadists are sub-human as they debase themselves through inciting the contempt, hatred, and the worship of death from within themselves. Muslims who claim to be moderate are nothing more than jihadists in waiting. How many Islamic clerics have waged fatwa against jihadists? I have not heard an outcry of rage against the jihadists by so-called "moderate" muslims. The USA even championed the human rights of Bosnian muslims and those in Kosovo last decade. Even so, ethnic-Albanian thugs recently planned an attack at Fort Dix! There is no cover for us in this struggle, so long as we have our heads in the sand about who these muslims really are and what they are about. I am only too afraid that our secular culture is so outright against anything overtly Judeo-Christian, that when the jihad comes to us in full force, there will be nothing but a vile collusion from "the left" in this country, similar to Vichy France in World War II.
Posted by: Triphammer at May 30, 2007 11:44 AM
eessaa,
Don't be fooled by the delay in the posting. You are not being moderated. Suppress your anger and hatred of the infidel for a second and resist the urge to continually press the post button.
Reading your nonsense once is more than enough.
Posted by: awake at May 30, 2007 11:46 AM
Man another poll
scary stuff
ncronline.org/NCR_Online/archives2/2006a/032406/032406h.htmamong 2,006 adults
Do you think the use of torture against suspected terrorists in order to gain important information can often be justified, sometimes be justified, rarely be justified, or never be justified?
Posted by: eessaa
at May 30, 2007 11:47 AM
posted by Naseem During the disaster though I DID see humane muslims...so many made the trip from the UK and brought relief (food, water etc) with them ...spending their own monies, time and effort....so whilst I am sorry of your plight ...including no muslim help...this is a bit of a misnoma...muslims usually help.
Any idea of the amount of help that was sent by the infidels Naseem? And compared to the amount of help that was sent by muslim countries to help the vitims of katrina and rita?
No comparison.
Posted by: walterc at May 30, 2007 11:48 AM
Awake
Its hard to see the facts in your face, I know its hard but maybe you will wake up.
By looking on this site I am not the one angry and I am not the one hating infidels. You see Awake you speak about Islam very ignorantly as most do on this site which many time spews with anger and hatred of the barbaric Muslims. You act like its the biggest threat to America when you can't come to grips with your the spiritual sicknesses of our communities in America which are the real threat.
For every "poll" about Muslims and being a threat there are many that show as the one's above showing the same mentality by home grown Americans. The intelligent person will see through the propaganda of Sheikh Rob and his followers. y
Maybe its time for you to wake up
at May 30, 2007 12:00 PM
While there is no doubt that there are several lund followers of Islam ...let us stay focussed on facts....Infedels are misguided ...being Allah's SWT slave is such an honour - Naseem
A slave Naseem?
God so love the world that he gave His only Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world may be saved through Him. Whoever beleives in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not beleive in Him is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God, Jesus Christ.
Faith is a God-given treasure. The righteous live by faith in God, not in the works of human hands (i.e. the 5 pillars). The Lord is my rock, my fortress, my God in whom I trust. Does this love that God has for His creation sound like something that enslaves us? Bullocks! Your god is your human works, your prayers, your alms - all of which you give in payment to your "god." My point is this - how do you know if you have performed enough good works to merit your salvation since man is imperfect and stained by the original sin of Adam? How can the imperfect give a perfect gift? There is not enough payment that humans can provide God the Almighty Father in return for salvation. God becomes weary with burnt-offerings and the like. You and your jihadist friends serve mammon - the beast! God is greater than your human works. He is the merciful Father who ransomed us from the wages of our sinfulness. May God have mercy on your blood-stained souls!
Posted by: Triphammer at May 30, 2007 12:02 PM
Please educate yourself about the origins of Christianity and you will see that it came from the pagan beliefs of the Romans
The righteous live by faith in God...Ok so how does that teach you how to obey God. Isn't by doing good deeds for God?
You do good deeds to please God and this is how you please God. But if you do good deeds for a Angel, Prophet or any other diety than God than whats the point?
Your belief in Jesus (May Allah bless him and his mother) that he died for your sins and he i "God" is a contradiction of the first commandment in your bible.
Educate yourself before you speak
Posted by: eessaa at May 30, 2007 12:17 PM
More follow-up questions! How many feel they have the means? How many feel they can get someone to help them? The last line, that is what the dhimmicrats claim...!!'' idiots. In the past even Kennedy I believe would not stand for this! They would have to go. Exported, outsourse ji-had to South pole anyone-live there?
Posted by: MZ at May 30, 2007 12:18 PM
Assalamau Laikum Triphammer,
Are you like Foehammer's brother?
It is true that I am a slave of Allah SWT...this is as per the teaching of the Koran....it is NOT true that I am a friend of the jihadists. I know of no one who goes around killing innocents or kaffur.
I found your intrepetration of God interesting...and would like to ask the following questions...of any who may feel qualified to answer. You say....
1) God sacrificed his only son...this is puzziling to me....this is GOD we are talking about, he is capable of any creation...why does he have only one son?
The upbringing of an only offsping can be lonely, devoid of friendship with inferiority complex problems....why would God subject Jesus to such an upbringing ...and then have him crucified at the end of a difficult and a lonely life ...does this sound like a loving god to you?....if he is going to treat his own son like that ...what chance have you got?
2) Where are the womens in this picture of God?...Does God have a wife?....what does the Bible say about this? why does she not figure in the father, son and holy spirit trinity picture...seems like it's male dominated religion....just like you know who!!!
Comments?
Posted by: Naseem at May 30, 2007 12:31 PM
Please educate yourself about the origins of Christianity and you will see that it came from the pagan beliefs of the Romans.
Hellllloooo, basic fact number one....Christianity is an outshoot of JUDAISM.
/sheesh
Posted by: treehugger
at May 30, 2007 12:34 PM
To join the beheaders you have to lie.
The shahada contains the first two lies in Islam.
Religion of peace?
No compulsion in religion?
Would be a joke if it wasn't so deadly.
Posted by: Dsinc at May 30, 2007 12:43 PM
Naseem --
This website will answer most, if not all, of your above questions:
http://www.answers-to-muslims.com
On the left-hand side of the home page there are different categories that address your questions. Three to check out are:
1) The Divinity of Jesus
2) Cross, Sin, Redemption
3) God the Three in One
Hope this helps!
Posted by: champ at May 30, 2007 12:48 PM
"300,000 Supporters of Suicide Attacks in America"
Plus,
Lets not forget the cloakers.
at May 30, 2007 1:26 PM
ellllloooo, basic fact number one....Christianity is an outshoot of JUDAISM
Education time-- If this was the case then you would not believe in the trinity..this belief sprung up when the Christians mixed with the Roman pagans. Please read about your religion.
To join the beheaders you have to lie.
Really the beheaders..never heard of that group
The shahada contains the first two lies in Islam.
To worship God alone without any partners...this is a lie?
To believe the Muhammad was the last Messenger sent to mankind. I believe this to be true and you dont. I affirm the Messengers and Prophets that came before him like Noah, Abraham, Moses Jesus and others and you deny Muhammad.
Religion of peace? Its a way of life that brings peace to the one who implements it and it only causes anger, fury and sadness for those who dont have it like you and causes demented people like bin Laden to act the way they act.
No compulsion in religion?
No one forced me to enter it and it doesn't force anyone else.
Would be a joke if it wasn't so deadly...Who is spewing ignorance?
Posted by: eessaa at May 30, 2007 1:34 PM
eessaa wrote:
"You act like its the biggest threat to America when you can't come to grips with your the spiritual sicknesses of our communities in America which are the real threat."
The next time a person is beheaded by spiritual sickness, I will personally apologize to you and all Muslims. Until then it's back to the desert to pound sand for you.
eessaa also wrote:
"You see Awake you speak about Islam very ignorantly as most do on this site which many time spews with anger and hatred of the barbaric Muslims."
Please provide one example of someone here who doesn't speak ignorantly about Islam, Naseem not included. While you're at it, why don't you "educate" Robert and/or Hugh on the subject. Judging from your "knowledge" of Christianity, it should make for an entertaining afternoon...at your expense, of course.
You and Naseem are cut from the same dirty, torn cloth. Puzzled by Christianity because it doesn't make sense. Why would God do this to his only Son?, without a mention of the Resurrection. Logically it doesn't make sense.
Muhammad is more your speed. A rather ordinary, yet vicious and vindictive man, illiterate, morally challenged, liked the "little ladies", if you know what I mean, killing, raping and pillaging his way through life, and ultimately dying without any pomp or circumstance, with a whimper actually.
At some point while roaming around the desert, and obviously over-exposed to the Sun, he created Allah. Allah, who changes his mind often as seen through abrogation. Allah who wasn't quite sure of the things he was saying. Allah who sent two imperfect prophets (Abraham and Jesus) before finally getting it right, with good ol' Muhammad. Omniscient and omnipotent Allah?...hardly.
Muhammad who stole parts of pre-existing religious ideologies in an attempt to "keep up with the Joneses", and then re-wrote them into his own little fairy tale. It's like saying that I look like my son as opposed to the other way around. Nonsense.
People like you eessaa, bad-mouthing America, Christianity, all things non-Islamic, negatively viewing Dar Al-Harb in totality, but probably living in America, knowing that it sure beats any Islamically run hell-hole on the Earth. Take your pick, there are plenty to choose from.
Your life is whittling away, what you have of a life, a life in constant fear of retribution from that vengeful God of yours. Still being bulied by a 7th century self-proclaimed prophet. Spending your days in voluntary mental and physical slavery to him, all in the hope of salvation, the 72 virgins, the "little ladies" hopefully...nudge nudge, wink wink..., you catch my drift, don't ya?
Do us all a favor, and fast track that path to Allah that you seek. Time's-a-wastin, I mean the virgins can't possibly be an unlimited supply now, can they?
I do pity you and your ilk, but even pity, like patience, has limits.
Posted by: awake at May 30, 2007 1:34 PM
ellllloooo, basic fact number one....Christianity is an outshoot of JUDAISM
Education time-- If this was the case then you would not believe in the trinity..this belief sprung up when the Christians mixed with the Roman pagans. Please read about your religion.
To join the beheaders you have to lie.
Really the beheaders..never heard of that group
The shahada contains the first two lies in Islam.
To worship God alone without any partners...this is a lie?
To believe the Muhammad was the last Messenger sent to mankind. I believe this to be true and you dont. I affirm the Messengers and Prophets that came before him like Noah, Abraham, Moses Jesus and others and you deny Muhammad.
Religion of peace? Its a way of life that brings peace to the one who implements it and it only causes anger, fury and sadness for those who dont have it like you and causes demented people like bin Laden to act the way they act.
No compulsion in religion?
No one forced me to enter it and it doesn't force anyone else.
Would be a joke if it wasn't so deadly...Who is spewing ignorance?
Posted by: eessaa at May 30, 2007 1:35 PM
the older infedel...don't bother with so much...
Just what should be done with the "older infedel," Naseem?
For that matter, just what should be done to the "younger infedels" who hear your dawa and reject it everytime you confront them?
What should be done with these, Naseem?
Does the quran give any insights or instruction in these situations; or are you too cowardly to say what the quran instructs in such matters?
Posted by: witness at May 30, 2007 1:36 PM
Can't think for myself or Allah will Smite me
Can't think for myself or Allah will Smite me
Can't think for myself or Allah will Smite me
Can't think for myself or Allah will Smite me
Can't think for myself or Allah will Smite me
Naseem, your god is imaginary. I would challenge any other believer as well BUT Muslims have no murderous equal. Broodmare, you are in a class of your own.
I say this specifically towards Muslims because they are so willing to promote violence in the name of a "god" who either is unwilling to end evil or is incapable. Any "lord of all creation" can surely lift "its" little pinky and at least regrow the amputated limb of a true believer right? Anyone? Anyone? How about stop the thumb of a suicide bomber from ripping apart innocent life? That should be simple yet the track record for divine intervention absolute zero.
Never mind the fact that "Allah" plays favorites - yet another ancient joke. I have no respect for the superstitious beliefs of this ignorant myth and I challenge any of you to grow a backbone and do the same...lest any of you have a better solution.
Who wants to take out a bet that Allah will not stop Nuclear genocide between Dar ul Salaam and Dar ul Harb? This global god struggle is boiling down to just this. How about God? Name any god that can and will and true infidels like me will surely worship that god. Too many here are becoming a bunch of superstitious cowards playing "My god is better than your god" - how juvenile. Where are the rational individuals willing to directly target the source of this murderous immorality?
Human beings are the only sentient beings capable of making the choice to face down and stop this madness because there is no god who will.
If physical coercion (mass murder) on American soil is next, will people be cattle like the rest of this world or will we be human enough to challenge Islamic FAITH with brute force FACT.
Islamic fundamentalists deserve more than anything to have their next generation loose faith if they believe they can get their way here. What part of the word "myth" are we not taking seriously?
Posted by: Quantum Infidel at May 30, 2007 1:41 PM
Education time-- If this was the case then you would not believe in the trinity..this belief sprung up when the Christians mixed with the Roman pagans. Please read about your religion
Really?
Read the first chapter of the Gospel of John: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God. He was with them in the beginning..."
The trinity came before Christians mixed with Roman pagens and was one of the central elements of the teachings of Jesus, but heck, what did he know?
Jesus should have studied theology I suppose to make sure he had things academically correct?
Nevertheless, if I were ever to choose a diety -- Jesus would be the one.
Posted by: witness at May 30, 2007 1:44 PM
eessaa,
Problems with the post button again?
Aaah, the learning curve of the Islamist...nevermind.
Posted by: awake at May 30, 2007 1:56 PM
Human beings are the only sentient beings capable of making the choice to face down and stop this madness because there is no god who will.
Interesting. Human beings are the only sentient beings capable of getting us into this mess in the first place -- we did a good job too!
What we don't seem to be good at is getting ourselves out.
Hopefully, there is a diety somplace watching all of this; if there is, I'll wager we are just getting enough divine rope to hang ourselves.
If I were a diety, I'd sit back a while and watch the show with all the angery fists shaking in my face demanding "proof" that I exist.
What a laugh it would be for a while knowing the whole time that no matter what happens among men, in the end -- it will be up to me to fix their silly little mess.
We are headed to hell; a hell of our creation because we aren't dieties but like to wish we were.
Maybe that's the difference between dieties and men -- they don't have to prove anything to anyone including us; we on the other hand can only prove that we are fools headed for the grave at our appointed time.
There is the ultimate truth.
Posted by: witness at May 30, 2007 2:06 PM
People like you eessaa, bad-mouthing America, Christianity, all things non-Islamic, negatively viewing Dar Al-Harb in totality, but probably living in America, knowing that it sure beats any Islamically run hell-hole on the Earth. Take your pick, there are plenty to choose from.
1) Where did I bad mouth America? Born and raised and I never had an issue from the land the God chose me to be born into.
I just gave you facts about how americans who are not Muslim think.
2)Where did i bad mouth Christianity. I just gave you facts.
I have the ability to see through the ignorance of Rob because I know my faith. As for you well its seems you just blind follow Sheikh Rob and can't educate yourself about these issues.
hope of salvation, the 72 virgins, the "little ladies" hopefully...nudge nudge, wink wink..., you catch my drift, don't ya?
Lol ..I have never seen people obsess over this like you people do who attack Islam. We know how to control our desires Mr.Awake....check the society we live in and how they obsess with 12 billion dollar per year industry that
liberates women and shows them their worth (wink, wink)...You can obsess about virgins all you want.
Posted by: eessaa at May 30, 2007 2:14 PM
To eessaa and others of that persuasion who refer to their satanic verses,
You should do your homework! At the time God revealed the Gospels to Saint John the Evangelist and the other Evangelists, and revealed the further meaning of the Gospels to Saint Paul, Roman pagans were persecuting the Christians. Christians were executed for witnessing to the divinity of Jesus Christ, and how Jesus Christ freely gave himself up as a sacrifice, fulfilling the demands of God the Father's one and only Law (the Ten Commandments), freeing us from the bondage of our sins so that we can live through faith given to us. It is God's will that his creation return to Him in all righteousness poured out upon it through the merits or Jesus Christ. While it is true that the Roman Church distorted teachings, and incorporated paganism into the liturgical life of the church, the Protestant Reformation, under Martin Luther, shed light on these abuses and corrected the wrongs of the Roman Church, being guided and protected by the hand of God. Soli Deo Gloria!
Posted by: Triphammer at May 30, 2007 2:19 PM
A quick note--
Click "Post" once when commenting. Even if things are running slowly, it will almost certainly show up.
That saves us time deleting duplicate postings-- sometimes quite a few of them.
Thanks,
Marisol Seibold
Jihad Watch News Editor
at May 30, 2007 2:24 PM
Really?
Read the first chapter of the Gospel of John: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God. He was with them in the beginning..."
Hold up another bible says
Originally the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god," in a New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures
The trinity came before Christians mixed with Roman pagens and was one of the central elements of the teachings of Jesus, but heck, what did he know?
Know it did not because this was never the teachings of Jesus who worshiped God but then again with all those different versions of the bible that its hard to know what id truth or falsehood
Nevertheless, if I were ever to choose a diety -- Jesus would be the one.
I chose the diety that Jesus Worshiped.
They do blaspheme who say: "God is Christ the son of Mary." But said Christ: "O Children of Israel! worship God, my Lord and your Lord"
Posted by: eessaa at May 30, 2007 2:26 PM
o eessaa and others of that persuasion who refer to their satanic verses,
Mr Trip Hammer...which bible do you read...because its a bit confusing with these different versions of the bible. Which Saint John gospel was revealed to John?
The Kings James Version?
The Catholic Bible?
The New World Translation ?
Should I stop...Wait I thought God was not of confusion. I did not come on here to debate with Christians my point was to show that all these polls have shown that their are some serious issues with all groups in America.
But of course its not a shock to see that Robert will post on the Muslims but not on those Christians Americans who have no problem with torture, killing innocent civilians and treating people with respect.
Posted by: eessaa at May 30, 2007 2:38 PM
Typical Islamic nonsense by eessaa, the proud "American born" Islamist.
First:
"the spiritual sicknesses of our communities in America which are the real threat."
then:
"Where did I bad mouth America?"
then:
"check the society we live in and how they obsess with 12 billion dollar per year industry that liberates women and shows them their worth"
Yep, no America bashing there...?? Dinesh, is that you?
followed by:
"Where did i bad mouth Christianity. I just gave you facts."
I believe others have adequately made a mockery of your "facts" about Christianity.
Moving on:
"We know how to control our desires Mr.Awake"
Yep, that is what the burka is for, for the well-documented control of desires that male Islamists possess. Oh wait, the built in disclaimer that just in case the male Islamist has a momentary loss of self-control, I know, I know, a grand exception to the rule, the convenient 4 male eye witness (non-participating of course) to corroborate rape...hmmmm.
Islam, an ideology that supposedly imposes a higher sexual moral virtue, which in application, punishes transgressors with........rape?...err...I mean adultery, of course.
And finally:
"You can obsess about virgins all you want."
Not me, eessaa, male Islamists, you know the ones that make the martyrdom tapes right before they go BOOM!, in the name of Allah and then get busy in paradise.
I don't obsess about virgins. I also don't obsess about Hinduism, Judaism, Buddhism, Christianity, Daoism, Confucianism...[insert your favorite religious ideology here]...just Islam.
I wonder why that is. Why have I and others, including "Sheikh Rob", arbitrarilly picked Islam out of the lineup of the major world religions of peace?
It does seem unfair, doesn't it? Maybe it has something to do with the 19 "Allahu Akbar" screaming Islamic Arabs who flew a couple of commercial airliners into civilian office towers, not sure. What do you think?
Trust me on this one eessaa. No one would give a rat's ass about Islam or what Islamists do in their own social circles if it didn't have an adverse, sometimes fatal effect, on the infidel world in general.
at May 30, 2007 2:44 PM
Too bad, eessaa, that allah was a pagan god, unlike in Judaism/Christianity, which worships the same God.
FYI - Only Pagan HOLIDAYS were adopted by Christianity, not GODS.
Know YOUR religion??? To know one must be able to critique, and YOU CAN'T.
Naseem: "It is true that I am a slave of Allah."
Islam = Submission
Salaam = Peace
FINALLY!!! Naseem tells the truth! Let's celebrate!!!
Miss_Anthrope: "I am slave to NOONE...EVER. GET OVER IT."
at May 30, 2007 2:47 PM
eessaa states, "Nevertheless, if I were ever to choose a diety -- Jesus would be the one."
http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/jesusgd2.htm
From website:
"Jesus and God are one.
I and my Father are one. John 10:30
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God...All things were made by him...He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not...And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us John 1:1, 3, 10, 14
Jesus saith...he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? John 14:9
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 1 John 5:7"
Check out the website for more clarity on this perplexing subject.
at May 30, 2007 2:51 PM
way to go, awake, in calling out the muzlim man's lack of self control. it's so obvious, since mo couldn't keep it in his pants either.
why else force women to be covered head-to-toe? muzlims state this as fact themselves, which is one of 2 statements i actually believe.
the other? that they hate us & our way of life. why do i believe it when they try so hard to blow us up then tell us it's a religion of peace?
oh, i don't know... (/sarc)
i am proud to be a thinking, critical, articulate, working female who wears makeup, short skirts, high heels, and a pixie haircut.
and i put men in their place when they hit on me, since i'm happily & faithfully married.
oh, the horrors! i must be evil.
Posted by: Miss_Anthrope at May 30, 2007 2:56 PM
EESSAA,
Then why in your satanic verses does allah refer to itself as "us" and "we" on multiple occasions?
Posted by: Triphammer at May 30, 2007 3:02 PM
eessaa: "But of course its not a shock to see that Robert will post on the Muslims but not on those Christians Americans who have no problem with torture, killing innocent civilians and treating people with respect."
Torture? Like keeping the lights on and force-feeding those on hunger strikes? Oooo, so terrible of us.
Which innocents? Those supporting AQ in Iraq? Those setting off IEDs? Oooo, so innocent.
No problem with treating people with respect?
Yeah, that's awful of us to treat people with respect...
Whoops, caught yourself with that one, eessaa.
Posted by: Miss_Anthrope at May 30, 2007 3:06 PM
Typical Islamic nonsense by eessaa, the proud "American born" Islamist.
Its called Muslim.
First:
"the spiritual sicknesses of our communities in America which are the real threat."
then:
"Where did I bad mouth America?"
then:
"check the society we live in and how they obsess with 12 billion dollar per year industry that liberates women and shows them their worth"
Yep, no America bashing there...?? Dinesh, is that you?
Wait..is that a fact mr.awake..How are truths bad mouthing? Are you saying that pornography does liberate women and that its good for society?
If this is the case then maybe you are the one does not want good for America.
followed by:
"Where did i bad mouth Christianity. I just gave you facts."
I believe others have adequately made a mockery of your "facts" about Christianity.
Really? Good for them.
Moving on:
"We know how to control our desires Mr.Awake"
Yep, that is what the burka is for, for the well-documented control of desires that male Islamists possess.
Its for women to have respect for themselves and not to be treated as objects like we see so much in the country we live in.
Oh wait, the built in disclaimer that just in case the male Islamist has a momentary loss of self-control, I know, I know, a grand exception to the rule, the convenient 4 male eye witness (non-participating of course) to corroborate rape...hmmmm.
Hmm proofs please Mr. Awake.
All i can say if you read early Islamic history people were punished for rape without 4 witnesses.
You can look it up in the collection of Hadith by Tirmidhi. Do I expect you to research this after your ignorant comments which proves your ignorance of Islam. No
Islam, an ideology that supposedly imposes a higher sexual moral virtue, which in application, punishes transgressors with........rape?...err...I mean adultery, of course.
Thanks Sheikh Awake for your insight
And finally:
"You can obsess about virgins all you want."
Not me, eessaa, male Islamists, you know the ones that make the martyrdom tapes right before they go BOOM!, in the name of Allah and then get busy in paradise.
Yes this is why those who do that wont see anything but the hell fire for this act because of their complete ignorance of Islam.
I don't obsess about virgins. I also don't obsess about Hinduism, Judaism, Buddhism, Christianity, Daoism, Confucianism...[insert your favorite religious ideology here]...just Islam.
Im glad you do and I hope you keep on obsessing because Islam is going to keep on growing in America, if you like it or not.
I wonder why that is. Why have I and others, including "Sheikh Rob", arbitrarilly picked Islam out of the lineup of the major world religions of peace?
Because it keeps growing and it wont stop even with all of the hatred some people in America have towards it. It boggles their mind that there more they go against Islam the more it grows.
It does seem unfair, doesn't it? Maybe it has something to do with the 19 "Allahu Akbar" screaming Islamic Arabs who flew a couple of commercial airliners into civilian office towers, not sure. What do you think?
please Rob and crew were attacking before that sick incident. But intelligent Americans saw that incident not to represent Islam as many of intelligent people did not see the home grown terrorist Christian organization that murdered, lynched, car bombed, raped AMERICANS for 100 years be what represents Christians.
Trust me on this one eessaa. No one would give a rat's ass about Islam or what Islamists do in their own social circles if it didn't have an adverse, sometimes fatal effect, on the infidel world in general.
Believe me on this one Awake...many people hate the truth so these kinds of people will hate on Islam.
Posted by: eessaa at May 30, 2007 3:13 PM
At least Naseem is honest, even caring in a warped sort of way. Her consistent message is that Islam will take over the world because it is Allah's will, so we'd best convert now to avoid any bloodshed that might occur if we wait. And converting to Ahmadi is the best choice of all because it abhors violence.
Eessaa is dishonest and dangerous. He's engaging in obfuscation, his method being mostly #6 in the list of things "moderate" Muslims do to counter criticism as described in http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/016511.php. Robert is saying that the poll shows that there are over 300,000 Muslim supporters of suicide attacks and 117,500 Muslim supporters of Al-Qaeda in America. Instead of admitting the truth of this and the danger that it implies, Eessaa is basically saying, other Americans are bad too, maybe even more so. He is in effect changing the topic of the discussion, to focus on infidel Americans' ills rather than Moslems' ills. He also wants to hijack this thread to make the topic about himself rather than the issue at hand. If he can divert our attention from the fact that so many Muslims want to kill us, maybe we'll lose sight of it, so that Moslems can continue plotting our destruction in peace. Eessaa is at this sight to make jihad, by defending Muslims against infidel attack, and by shifting our focus from the attacks that Muslims our making and planning to make against us.
Posted by: JeffS at May 30, 2007 3:15 PM
Islam = Submission
Salaam = Peace
I would imagine that if one submitted all of one's cognitive capacities in service to even a rock that one could achieve a sort of peace. Numbing one's mind with the dull blade of Islam, believing that being a slave rather than beloved of God is a blessed state, and fueling the inner flames of hatred/contempt in being a dutiful slave of some created deity, could achieve a perverse sort of peace for someone. How else do you think the jihadists tie bombs to themselves and detonate them in crowds of innocent people?
Submit yourselves to the Gospel, the Good News of Jesus Christ, and come to real/true faith in a real/true God! Or do us a favor and blow yourselves up together...just not in a crowd of innocents!
Posted by: Triphammer at May 30, 2007 3:20 PM
eessaa, you also need to learn your Historical facts.
Muzlims have killed more people in the past YEAR than the Spanish Inquisition in 350 AND than the KKK in its entire existence.
So, when you can come back here and spout more than your pathetic, biased, unfactual opinion is when you MAY have a chance at changing our minds.
Because, what you don't realize is our opinions are based on FACTS.
Posted by: Miss_Anthrope at May 30, 2007 3:21 PM
eessaa, the survey where Catholics approve of torture of suspected terrorists in high numbers isn't really comparable to the Pew survey. The Pew survey asks whether you support deadly attacks against unarmed civilians which is a world away from torture of suspected terrorists.
Posted by: SerbInfidel at May 30, 2007 3:23 PM
Instead of admitting the truth of this and the danger that it implies, Eessaa is basically saying, other Americans are bad too, maybe even more so.
Come on Jeff....this what the poll says man not me..the danger is that you can't see that. Its ok for Americans to have hatred but those Muzlims Caan't....hatred is horrible and dangerous no matter what religion you follow.
He is in effect changing the topic of the discussion, to focus on infidel Americans' ills rather than Moslems' ills.
He also wants to hijack this thread to make the topic about himself rather than the issue at hand. If he can divert our attention from the fact that so many Muslims want to kill us,
just like so many Americans want to kill Muslims and have no problem with torture and killing innocent civilians.
Yes the truth hurts on both sides jeff.
maybe we'll lose sight of it, so that Moslems can continue plotting our destruction in peace. Eessaa is at this sight to make jihad, by defending Muslims against infidel attack, and by shifting our focus from the attacks that Muslims our making and planning to make against us.
AS you can see by my other posts I do not in any way shape or form defend Muslims who attack innocent civilians (not matter what faith they follow) as i do not condone the Americans who were polled who thinks its ok to kill innocent people and torture suspects.
are you one of those 25% because I know for sure I am not one of those 300,000 Muslims who say that those acts are ok.
Posted by: eessaa at May 30, 2007 3:27 PM
This must be the eessaa show. The man who has an answer to everything. It's pointless to interact with a know it all, especially an Islamic, duck, bobber, and weaver, know it all. His supremist delusions are evident, why bother...
However, if posters want to interact with him, I will just sit back, pop open a can of Algores love brew , and enjoy the show...
at May 30, 2007 3:28 PM
Its always a pleasure to entertain you Duh
at May 30, 2007 3:29 PM
You offering me a beer? Dude, send it over!
Posted by: Miss_Anthrope at May 30, 2007 3:30 PM
duh_swami, how 'bout some coke? us evil westerners obviously ALL use drugs... (/sarc)
Posted by: Miss_Anthrope at May 30, 2007 3:34 PM
what i say?
Posted by: Miss_Anthrope at May 30, 2007 3:41 PM
what'd i say?
Posted by: Miss_Anthrope at May 30, 2007 3:42 PM
eessaa,
Are you in the 26% that justifies suicide bombings or the percentage who refused to answer?
Under Shari'a law, Islamic theologically-based government and jurisprudence, 4 male eyewitnesses are required to corroborate rape.
Calling me "Sheikh Awake" is not a winning rebuttal in a debate.
your claim that:
"AS you can see by my other posts I do not in any way shape or form defend Muslims who attack innocent civilians"
No, you just criticize Robert for publishing the results of the Pew poll and condemn him for commenting on it. As others have stated, your moral equivalence to the poll of Americans supporting interrogation of suspected terrorists just doesn't hold water...at all.
you wrote, FINALLY:
"Im glad you do and I hope you keep on obsessing because Islam is going to keep on growing in America, if you like it or not."
Now that's more like it. That's the bravado I was waiting for. It's like flogging a dead horse trying to get a straight answer from an Islamist.
Time will tell on that one eessaa. Methinks your overconfidence is misplaced on that one, in light of recent events. The continued obfuscation to what Islam is about will no longer go unchallenged. "Sheikh Rob" has seen to that.
I am quite full from "eating your lunch" eessaa. Keep posting, and I'll drop by later and get to work on "eating your dinner" as well.
Posted by: awake at May 30, 2007 3:58 PM
OT
Miss_Anthrope...Algores love brew is a formulated ale for men, that boasts almost superhuman powers to those who drink it. Drink some of that, and wimps become men. Algore recognised that liberal men needed more to achieve bigger, and stronger ambitions in life. So many liberals were suffering from personal, and societal insecurities, that Algore knew he must act. Then it hit him, 'Love Brew'.
He only makes it in small batches and distributes it to a select group of liberals. Michael Moore, Sean Penn, Hairy Reed, and others. You can see what it does for them. I am not a liberal, I get mine through illicit channels.
Algore invented a lot of things besides that, he invented the internet, radio, television, vcr's, toasters, the modern flush toilet, and beer.
Muslims think Allah is God...nope it's Algore.
Algore u Akbar...
at May 30, 2007 4:04 PM
Always interesting how muslims like eessaa and (some! like Christianophobe nariz) atheists, claim to know the Bible better than those of us who follow it. Well they might know the Letter but they sure as Hell do not know the Spirit. 'cause if they did... they wouldn't be what they are.
Posted by: Gary at May 30, 2007 4:11 PM
I suggest that Americans stop taking public tranportation to work and be very, very careful in crowded areas. Islamic terror no longer just happens over there.
Islamic terror may be here to stay. (Don't ask anyone on the left here to do anything about it, they won't).
Posted by: pythagoras at May 30, 2007 4:13 PM
That's "300,000 Supporters of Suicide Attacks" who DON'T deserve to live here and to share in our blood bought freedoms that true Americans cherish and want to protect.
You "Supporters" are free to leave! You won't be missed.
at May 30, 2007 4:15 PM
Gary wrote:
"Always interesting how muslims like eessaa and (some! like Christianophobe nariz) atheists, claim to know the Bible better than those of us who follow it. Well they might know the Letter but they sure as Hell do not know the Spirit. 'cause if they did... they wouldn't be what they are."
That is the beauty of Christianity and Judaism. They are based off of "testaments", written by men of the times describing the events as they unfolded.
This is in direct opposition to the Qur'an, where it is deemed to be the direct immutable words of Allah.
Big difference.
Speaking of the Pew poll, 50% of American Muslims polled believe the Qura'an is exactly that, the direct words of Allah to be taken literally, word for word.
"DANGER, WILL ROBINSON!!"
Danger for us infidels, at least.
Posted by: awake at May 30, 2007 4:29 PM
..muslim sufferer of SJD(sudden jihadi syndrome) pleads insane in face of new hate crime charges..
Last updated May 30, 2007 10:24 a.m. PT
Jewish Fed shooter Haq pleads insane
By TRACY JOHNSON
P-I REPORTER
A man accused of opening fire at a Seattle Jewish charity last summer, killing one woman and wounding five others as he allegedly ranted about Jewish people, will raise an insanity defense in his trial next January.
Naveed Haq changed his plea Wednesday to not guilty by reason of insanity for the 20 criminal charges he now faces, including the 11 new charges that King County prosecutors filed Wednesday morning.
Haq's attorneys, C. Wesley Richards and John Carpenter, said Haq has a long history of mental illness, hospitalizations and suicide attempts over the years. He has most consistently been diagnosed with bipolar disorder with psychotic features, which Richards called "a very debilitating type of mental disorder."
"Obviously, we believe it had a substantial impact on Mr. Haq's conduct," Richards said.
The attorneys also dispute that Haq committed a hate crime. Richards said Haq did not "as a result of religious hatred."
To be found insane, jurors must agree that Haq's mental illness made him either unable to perceive the nature of what he was doing or took away his ability to tell right from wrong.
In court Wednesday, Superior Court Judge Paris Kallas ruled that prosecutors could have their own mental health expert evaluate Haq at the King County Jail, where he remains without bail.
The Tri-Cities man is now charged with aggravated murder, five counts of attempted murder, six burglary charges, six malicious-harassment charges -- the state's hate crime law -- as well as one kidnapping and one unlawful-imprisonment charge."
Posted by: Madduck at May 30, 2007 4:44 PM
"That's "300,000 Supporters of Suicide Attacks" who DON'T deserve to live here."
champ, I might recommend the deletion of one word: HERE.
Posted by: Miss_Anthrope at May 30, 2007 5:01 PM
Naseem,
I am not interested in becoming a Muslim. There is no salvation in Islam. Salvation is only found in one person... I will give you a hint... It is not Allah or Mohammad.
at May 30, 2007 5:03 PM
Profile! Profile! And profile! Do not cave in to CAIR or Nancy(Yoda)Pelosi.
Posted by: The Resistance at May 30, 2007 5:08 PM
Profile! Profile! And profile! Do not cave in to CAIR or Nancy(Yoda)Pelosi.
Posted by: The Resistance at May 30, 2007 5:09 PM
That figure is still way too low, but ok (it's a start)...let's go with that one: 300,000
Imagine the scenario...
300,000 divided by 50 states alone=6,000/state
While it's a given that there will be less in, say, Rhode Island than, say, NY or California, imagine having 6,000 terrorists in your state.
Out here, there are 58 counties in California. Some are hige and sparsely populated, some small and heavily so...that's over 100 terrorists per county.
Weighed against the number that initiated attacks on 9/11: 19
The numbers alone make for a potentially frightening scenario...
Sun Tzu long ago says in essence NEVER EVER underestimate an enemy-no matter how big or small. I've lost count over how many historicals that showed underestimation has cost many nations, civilizations, embassies, buildings, aircraft, lorries, ships, etc...and peoples lives...
...and for any of us, you, me, even the President, to think an enemy, ANY enemy, overt or covert, imminent or potential, WON'T do anything is inviting SUICIDE, and SUICIDE is nothing less than a mental disorder...and I refuse to consider MYself, and that of my colleagues, regardless of politics, beliefs, or what-have-you, expendable, for ANY reason.
Lock...and...Load
Posted by: jcom972 at May 30, 2007 6:02 PM
Lock..and...Load
For those who can do so, I think it's extremely good advice. Spend time in prayer; spend some time at the range; stock up on supplies- you can always use up what you buy. Be prepared!
Unfortunately, I'd be willing to bet that the greatest concentration of domestic suicide bombers are heading for places where the population is densely packed and privately owned firearms (and people who know how to use them) are scarce.
We've allowed who-knows-what to enter the country and stay here.
We're too politically correct to stop terrorist training camps in our own country.
And we've turned lots of people in large cities into sheep.
Sleep well tonight everyone!
at May 30, 2007 8:15 PM
The inane jihad will come to our soil. Our leftist secularist Democrat "patriots" are trying to run roughshod over our right to bear arms. I tell you that there is an unholy alliance between the intellectual leftist elite and the vile jihadis, even if there may be no official ties. If the government will not preserve our lives, our liberty, our freedom, and our constitution, we had better be prepared to do it ourselves. Over billions of dollars have been spent to fund the bureacracy of the Homeland Security Department and still we have had no pre-emptive strikes against known terrorists on our soil! Is that because the communist ACLU will claim that the jihadists have rights...more rights than you and me??? I think we all know the answer!
Posted by: Triphammer at May 30, 2007 9:59 PM
Every time Moslem terrorists commit murder in the name of Islam or are apprehended before they can do it, and every time a poll is taken of Moslem attitudes which shows that only a minority of Moslems support terrorism, the Moslem apologist and propaganda organizations such as the Council on American Islamic Relations hold widely broadcast press conferences to remind us that the vast majority of Moslems are peaceful.
It may or may not be true that the "vast majority" of Moslems are peaceful, but it is irrelevant. If only 10% of the world Moslem population supports terrorism, that means more than 130 MILLION supporters of terrorism worldwide. That's a lot of terrorists and an immense danger to the entire world. American Moslems are said to be less violence-prone than Moslems in other countries. O.K., if only 5% of American Moslems believe that violent jihad against infidel America is justified, that means more than 125,000 terrorists in America alone are working to plot our destruction. Do you feel good now knowing that 95% of America's Moslems are peaceful?
To belittle the danger from the violent minority of Moslems by arguing that the vast majority of Moslems are peaceful makes as much sense as saying that a person with brain cancer should not get overly worried about his disease because the vast majority of cells in his body are not cancerous. I don't find that reassuring.
Montedoro
Posted by: Montedoro at May 31, 2007 2:27 AM
Under Shari'a law, Islamic theologically-based government and jurisprudence, 4 male eyewitnesses are required to corroborate rape.
And this is why I called you Sheikh Awake because you are making a claim on which you have no proof of and I gave you an Islamic source to go back to and look at that this was not the case in the time of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) nor of the time of the Caliphate of Umar and Ali.
So still made a claim with no proof which shows either your inability to research and read for yourself and this does not suprise me. You can ask your Sheikh who I am sure has the ability to look up these issues.
As for my over confidence and "bravado" or whatever else you want to call it, like i said before the truth hurts.
As for the disliking of Rob posting this poll and commenting on it just shows how he is so blinded (like many who post here) by this "threat" that those other polls that I posted show the violent nature of many non muslim Americans who of course "post no threat " when they talk about it being ok to torture suspects and kill innocent civilians.
This makes me feel good to have these kinds of neighbors.
It would be ignorant of me to feel that all "Christian or Atheist" Americans are like this but it seems that people here are not intelligent enough to make that difference.
Posted by: eessaa at May 31, 2007 4:06 AM
'I gave you an Islamic source to go back to'
Now it makes more sense. eessaa's thinking is based on the lies he draws from islamic sources.
No wonder he'll never get it. Like I said, he may know the letter but he is Clueless about the Spirit. Especially the Spirit of God.
Posted by: Gary at May 31, 2007 7:12 AM
eessaa,
Your point of reference to the Hadith by Tirmidhi is irrelevant. Whether the practice of corroborating rape existed in Muhammad's time pales when compared to the fact that it is practiced as such today under Shari'a. Next you'll tell me there is no correlation between Shari'a and Islam, and that it's all a big misunderstanding of the true nature of what Islam is supposed to be, a religion misunderstood by so many of it's adherents.
Well eessaa, that sounds like an internal problem in the Muslim world. Along with those who do not practice Islam properly and condone suicide bombings. So much misunderstanding. Your personal condemnation is admirable and duly noted, but it is also irrelevant. Continue to practice your taqiyya and deny any correlation between jihad and Islam if you wish, but I must inform you that you are wasting your time here with that nonsense. Your best bet is to remain silent as most in the "moderate" Muslim world do when it comes time to condemning these acts "erroneously" undertaken in the name of Allah.
Robert's central theme at this site is to show that the impetus for jihadist warfare is taken directly from the Qur'an and is mandated as a duty for all pious Muslims. We see examples every day on a global level that support Robert's claim. I would love to hear your alternative explanation, that is, if it is something more than a "misunderstanding", because at this point, even if it were true, which it most certainly is not, it is quite valueless. For example sake, when Nick Berg lost his head to an Islamic jihadist, should he have taken any solace in the fact that the perpetrator was not practicing proper Islam? A claim like that is preposterous.
Just for kicks, in your considerable spare time, please review every lunatic cleric that you can find on Youtube, preaching exactly what Robert has pointed out, along with all the boys in Al-Qaeda and accuse them all of blasphemy against Islam, if you dare, but I for one think you certainly will not. Without a governing voice to unify the Islamic world, like the caliphate, each man's interpretation of the Qur'an, Allah's word, is justified in their eyes...and that is really all that matters.
Also, please cease with playing the victim card about how unsettling it is to live in America with neighbors who express opinions, opinions like those found on this site. To date, "Muslim backlash from 9/11" is often discussed in the MSM, but rarely, if ever proven to exist. The same cannot be said however of our American Muslim brethren, like the nice chaps of the "Fort Dix Six", yeah, the "ethnic Albanians", as the MSM chose to frame them initially.
I will not sit here and engage in witless banter with an Islamic tool, such as yourself, for long. I will simply point out that your attempt to obfuscate the truth about Islam and silence the critics to the truth of Islam has failed miserably. You have not won any points here, nor have you changed any non-Islamic minds, minds free of the slavery to Allah, with the standard pro-Islamic drivel that you put forth, drivel which has also been well-documented by Robert here at this site.
P.S. for the tenth time, your poll comparison justification theory was thoroughly obliterated yesterday afternoon. Suicide bombings against civilians and interrogating terror suspects at a time of war share no moral equivalence, and should not be compared.
Posted by: awake at May 31, 2007 9:22 AM
God has always reached out to us, despite our sinfulness and our wretchedness. We have utterly no capacity to reach up to God, our arms are too short and our imperfections limit our spiritual capabilities to do so. Scriptures teach time and again that salvation comes from God alone - not man, not man-made institutions, and certainly not the 5 pillars of Islam. We must have faith in His love and mercy. We must have faith that the trials and tribulations we experience in this earthly kingdom are for our greater good. It is through God’s freely given, unmerited grace, faith, and the Holy Scriptures that we should believe this as fact. The tragedies of this earthly kingdom are like a forge that is meant to perfect our faith in Christ alone. His holy name is Emmanuel - God is with us!
I urge all Muslims to study the Old and New Testaments with a beginners mind, unpolluted by the satanic verses of Mohammed. It is Satan's desire to rob God of His people, his creation, because Satan hates God's creation (read the Gospel of Saint John 6:35-40). How better for Beelzebub to attempt this than to introduce the unholy koran through a supposedly illiterate dune swaggler! The Word of God is mightier than the sword of mohammed - the real and true infidel, who glorified himself through conquest then praised his manufactured deity after the fact.
In the Book of Revelation 22:18-19, Saint John wrote in closing, "I warn everyone who hears the words of prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book , and if anyone takes away from the words of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book." I assert that the unholy koran is just that, a contrived addition to Holy Scriptures, with its aim to destroy true faith in God's saving grace and the redemption of all mankind for all times. I pray for the true conversion of muslim infidels, so they may come to the knowledge of God, and to an intimate personal relationship with God through Jesus Christ - God who walked the earth and shared in our sufferings to break our bondage to sin and death, brought through the devil himself when he deceived Adam and Eve, and when they submitted their will to Satan rather than God.
Soli Deo Gloria!
at May 31, 2007 10:29 AM
Your point of reference to the Hadith by Tirmidhi is irrelevant. Whether the practice of corroborating rape existed in Muhammad's time pales when compared to the fact that it is practiced as such today
I didnt think you would do the research Awake. keep on blind following.
The text is there for the Muslim to practice and those who chose to not practice them then its not ISLAM. Dont tell me what people do today Awake just as I wont compare the homegrown terrorists (who use to take pictures with their community...old men, women and children when there was a dead black or jewish man behind them hanging after they were tortured....wait Awake was that in Iraq or Saudi...no man it was in the heart of America) with Christianity even though they claimed the followers of Christ.
Also, please cease with playing the victim card about how unsettling it is to live in America with neighbors who express opinions, opinions like those found on this site. To date, "Muslim backlash from 9/11" is often discussed in the MSM, but rarely, if ever proven to exist. The same cannot be said however of our American Muslim brethren, like the nice chaps of the "Fort Dix Six", yeah, the "ethnic Albanians", as the MSM chose to frame them initially.
I am not playing the victim anything awake...I know my neighors who are not muslim and I dont freak out and they dont freak out about me because they are intelligent enough to know the dfference between actions of Muslims who terrorize and Islam like I can make the difference between the acts of home grown terrorists here and white people.
I will not sit here and engage in witless banter with an Islamic tool, such as yourself, for long. I will simply point out that your attempt to obfuscate the truth about Islam and silence the critics to the truth of Islam has failed miserably. You have not won any points here, nor have you changed any non-Islamic minds, minds free of the slavery to Allah, with the standard pro-Islamic drivel that you put forth, drivel which has also been well-documented by Robert here at this site.
Thats God's job all I can do is inform the people.
P.S. for the tenth time, your poll comparison justification theory was thoroughly obliterated yesterday afternoon. Suicide bombings against civilians and interrogating terror suspects at a time of war share no moral equivalence, and should not be compared.
Excuse me Awake...can you read English....
bombing and other attacks INTENTIONALLY aimed at civilians" are "never justified," while 24 percent believe these attacks are "often or sometimes justified."
24 percent Awake...but that doesnt get me worried because I am intelligent enough not to get caught up in the hype...May God Awaken you from you state of thinking. amen
www.csmonitor.com/2007/0223/p09s01-coop.html
at May 31, 2007 10:40 AM
Anyone else here keep picturing Jar Jar Binks when they see the word eessaa?
"Eessaa Ben Kenobi!"
Posted by: Gary at May 31, 2007 11:18 AM
Anyone else here keep picturing Jar Jar Binks when they see the word eessaa?
"Eessaa Ben Kenobi!"
bombing and other attacks INTENTIONALLY aimed at civilians" are "never justified," while 24 percent believe these attacks are "often or sometimes justified."
The part you seem to have problems with, eessaa Binks, is that 24% of MUSLIMS see no probs killing innocents over:
Pictures
Cartoons
Jokes
The way they dress
And one could go on for quite a few lines, but the gist of it is: ALL of these things are, at some time or another, construed as being attacks on islam. Not that you will ever conceed the point.
Posted by: Gary at May 31, 2007 11:20 AM
24%? I believe the actual number was around 300,000. I believe that this is a deflated number, as polls, however scientific, can only point in the direction of truth. Given that muslims believe that their unholy koran is the literal word of their manufactured deity, they are mandated to believe in the tenet of jihad. I say it is more likely that 75-90% of muslims believe in the jihad as carried out by Islamists. So, with this adjusted figure, at bear minimum, there are 900,000 muslims in the USA who agree with how the jihadists are carrying out their mindless struggle. Imagine if they all decided to take up their body bombs? Let us not forget the shady muslim concept of who is innocent and who is not innocent. To a muslim, only other muslims who believe and practice their mindless and cultish religion are innocent. All others are deemed guilty, or infidel, and free game to bomb at will.
Posted by: Triphammer at May 31, 2007 11:46 AM
eessaa wrote:
"Dont tell me what people do today Awake"
OK, let's try a direct question. Are you suggesting that under Shari'a law, religious law that is practiced in various Middle Eastern societies, that the requisite 4 male eyewitnesses to corroborate a rape claim does not exist today at all?
Also by eessaa:
"(who use to take pictures with their community...old men, women and children when there was a dead black or jewish man behind them hanging after they were tortured....wait Awake was that in Iraq or Saudi...no man it was in the heart of America) with Christianity even though they claimed the followers of Christ."
Hey, I remember that picture that Umar Lee put up on his site as an attempt to correlate those people's actions with Robert Spencer's and Charles Johnson's positions. What's your moniker over there eessaa? Wasn't that picture from like the 1950's?
I suppose you are suggesting that Christianity or specifically, the Christian texts, condoned that atrocious behavior?
also:
"I know my neighors who are not muslim and I dont freak out and they dont freak out about me because they are intelligent enough to know the dfference between actions of Muslims who terrorize and Islam like I can make the difference between the acts of home grown terrorists here and white people."
Ahhh, now we are getting somewhere. The distinction between Muslims who terrorize and Islam is crystal clear to you, suggesting an obvious visible distinction between the two. Aren't all followers of Islam considered Muslims, eessaa? Besides, how exactly can you tell the difference between the two...before it is too late?
Also, why did you try to equivocate that distinction with "home-grown" terrorists and white people. You conveniently dropped Christianity from the argument and are now referring to white people? And just who are these white home-grown terrorists that you speak of? One example, outside of McVeigh, would be helpful to validate that claim.
Excuse me for being direct here eessaa, but it seems that your entire argument hinges on the proposition that you are intelligent and that Robert, the community here and I, are not. It sounds eerily similar to the "smartest man in the room" syndrome, which is a character flaw.
Similar to a previous statement by you that Islam will continue to grow in America, as the Islamists continue their full-court press here in America and abroad, Islam will continue to come under increasing scrutiny, scrutiny which is absolutely warranted. Deal with THAT eessaa.
P.S. Are you African American or of Arabic descent, eessaa? I am curious, because you are starting to sound like a convert to Islam, to me anyway.
at May 31, 2007 2:15 PM
24%? I believe the actual number was around 300,000. I believe that this is a deflated number, as polls, however scientific, can only point in the direction of truth. Given that muslims believe that their unholy koran is the literal word of their manufactured deity, they are mandated to believe in the tenet of jihad. I say it is more likely that 75-90% of muslims believe in the jihad as carried out by Islamists. So, with this adjusted figure, at bear minimum, there are 900,000 muslims in the USA who agree with how the jihadists are carrying out their mindless struggle. Imagine if they all decided to take up their body bombs? Let us not forget the shady muslim concept of who is innocent and who is not innocent. To a muslim, only other muslims who believe and practice their mindless and cultish religion are innocent. All others are deemed guilty, or infidel, and free game to bomb
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