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The Swiss won't be able to be neutral for much longer.
"The Islamist Threat Arrives in Switzerland: The MEMRI Report," by Steven Stalinsky in the New York Sun (thanks to all who sent this in):
" Salman bin Fahd Al-Odah is a preacher of global influence and is one of the senior figures of the fundamentalist Islamic Wahhabi movement in Saudi Arabia as well as a close associate of Osama bin Laden. He was imprisoned in Saudi Arabia for his extremist ideologies from 1994 until 1999. Even after his imprisonment, he adopts the call to armed struggle against the infidel Western countries in his writings."- A report filed by the Ministry of Justice in Switzerland, May 2007
In another sign of the spread of Islam within Europe, last month, Swiss Muslims announced their plan to open " Europe's biggest Islamic center" in the capital city of Bern. The center is estimated to cover 84 acres and to cost as much as $66 million to build.
Switzerland seems to be an unlikely locus for a battle over jihadist Islamism, but according to reports, its Muslim citizens, who make up about 5% of the total population, increasingly look to radical Middle East clerics for spiritual guidance. The country is also home to a controversial professor, Tariq Ramadan, whose visa to come to America was revoked by the State Department, and reports indicate there has been a rising tension between Muslims and non-Muslims there. In what could be considered pouring fuel on a fire, two weeks ago, the League of Swiss Muslims invited Sheik Salman bin Fahd Al-Odah of Saudi Arabia to participate in their annual conference.
Hailing from a wealthy Saudi family, Mr. Odah is a noted Islamic scholar who has a wide following among Islamists throughout the world. He was enraged when American troops were based in Saudi Arabia during the first Gulf War and has gone on record supporting jihad against American troops in Iraq.
His stance on the American presence in Saudi Arabia earned him five years in jail there for speaking out against the government — a sentence condemned in Osama bin Laden's infamous 1996 fatwa against the West. According to reports, copies of Mr. Odah's sermons have been found in an abandoned Afghanistan home belonging to Mr. bin Laden.
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Posted by Robert at May 30, 2007 9:17 AM
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I guess their cheese isn't the only thing full of holes.
Looks like their instinct for preserving their country is, too.
Muslims in Switzerland sounds as absurd as cuckoo clocks in Mecca.
Wake up, Swiss!
(It's not your chocolate that they want.)
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at May 30, 2007 9:25 AM
Didn't the Jihadist threat arrive in Switzerland with Said Ramadan? /sarc
Posted by: Jan Sobieski at May 30, 2007 9:26 AM
The Swiss want to outlaw the construction of minarets, so all the news ain't bad.
Posted by: Bingo at May 30, 2007 9:37 AM
"The center is estimated to cover 84 acres and to cost as much as $66 million to build."
... a single cruise missile costs $1,900,000,00 and will cure the problem should it arise....
at May 30, 2007 9:48 AM
Interesting that thier is a newspaper in NY to reprint that.Is it an online one man show or something?
Posted by: KAOSKTRL at May 30, 2007 9:54 AM
For centuries, the Swiss have been a model of how to get along in spite of differences. We'll let Catholicism be the state religion here and Swiss Reformed Protestantism there, French be the official language of this Canton, German of that one, etc. Will the Swiss realize that in order for tolerance of differences to work, it has to be a two-way street?
I visited Switzerland in 1996. I remember learning about a Jewish minority, and that there were a few "people of color" in the country, but 5% muslim is quite a surprise.
Posted by: Bigfoot at May 30, 2007 10:05 AM
..the 5% figure is a gross understatement....just go to Switzerland and look around and the babes in bags and the bearded ones with ugly clothes strolling about...
Posted by: exsgtbrown at May 30, 2007 10:20 AM
66 million...and how do these muslims always come up with all the money for this, and all the jillions they spend similarly around the globe?
I bet those Saudi's help a lot, but where do they get thier big bucks? Thats right, from oil. And who buys that? We do, and the rest of the unsuspecting world. We are financing our own doom. How stupid.
We cant get that money away from them, but we can stop them from spending some of it. Stop allowing mosques to be built outside Arabia and we can stop, or slow down Islamic hegemoney. Mosques come with muslims. If you refuse to allow mosque building, there will be fewer muslims in those areas.
Refusal to issue the building permits is one way of saying, 'we dont want you here, go somewhere else'.
Where there is a will, there is a way...
at May 30, 2007 10:46 AM
Every day brings a new Islamic horror.
I'm still wondering, as I do each day, WHY the West is allowing the spread of the Muslim plague.
It's both a blessing and a curse to be a "Cassandra," as we all are here on JW. And true to the Cassandra myth, the Dhimmis don't believe us.
Posted by: darcy at May 30, 2007 11:00 AM
Every day brings a new Islamic horror.
I'm still wondering, as I do each day, WHY the West is allowing the spread of the Muslim plague.
It's both a blessing and a curse to be a "Cassandra," as we all are here on JW. And true to the Cassandra myth, the Dhimmis don't believe us.
Posted by: darcy at May 30, 2007 11:03 AM
He was enraged when American troops were based in Saudi Arabia during the first Gulf War and has gone on record supporting jihad against American troops in Iraq.
Never mind they were only in that backwards sandpit to defend the country against Sadaam, and never mind the Iraq war freed us of that duty. No just toss around a few phrases like Crusader, Imperialism, oil and you've got yourself a greivance!
Why are you so offended that Americans went there anyway? Is it because you beloved pedo, raping prophet lived there? Or were you more worried about important things like Saudi women seeing American women driving and deciding they might want to have a go?
Posted by: JadeDragoness at May 30, 2007 11:05 AM
"Europe's biggest Islamic center" in the capital city of Bern. The center is estimated to cover 84 acres and to cost as much as $66 million to build."
Charles Martel has always been a hero in Western civilization for defeating the Muslims at Tours, in France, in the 8th century, and driving them back into Spain, thus saving Christian civilization as we know it.
I suppose that the deconstructionist historians of today would say that Martel was an Islamophobe who missed a magnificent opportunity to introduce Europe to the great benefits of diversity and multiculturalism that the Muslims would have enriched our civilization with, had they been allowed to stay.
It sounds screwy, but I wonder if this mentality doesn't have something to do with our refusal in the West to stop the flow of Muslims into into our cities, towns and universities.
we're so paralysed by the dogmas of Multiculturalism and diversity, that we've come to believe that defending ourselves and our civilization is morally wrong.
Hell, forget about Europe's biggest Islamic center in Bern, the real story will be when they're laying down prayer rugs in St. Peters, Notre Dame and Westminister Abbey.
Think it won't happen?
at May 30, 2007 11:06 AM
"Europe's biggest Islamic center" in the capital city of Bern. The center is estimated to cover 84 acres and to cost as much as $66 million to build."
Charles Martel has always been a hero in Western civilization for defeating the Muslims at Tours, in France, in the 8th century, and driving them back into Spain, thus saving Christian civilization as we know it.
I suppose that the deconstructionist historians of today would say that Martel was an Islamophobe who missed a magnificent opportunity to introduce Europe to the great benefits of diversity and multiculturalism that the Muslims would have enriched our civilization with, had they been allowed to stay.
It sounds screwy, but I wonder if this mentality doesn't have something to do with our refusal in the West to stop the flow of Muslims into into our cities, towns and universities.
we're so paralysed by the dogmas of Multiculturalism and diversity, that we've come to believe that defending ourselves and our civilization is morally wrong.
Hell, forget about Europe's biggest Islamic center in Bern, the real story will be when they're laying down prayer rugs in St. Peters, Notre Dame and Westminister Abbey.
Think it won't happen?
Posted by: rational at May 30, 2007 11:07 AM
Soon as that mosque is built, some imam will declare chocolate as unislamic and they'll start blowing up chocolate factories.
When will the west wake up and smell the camel dung?
Posted by: walterc at May 30, 2007 11:16 AM
"rational" - We here on JW and on other "Infidel Survival Sites" are certainly NOT "paralyzed by the dogmas of multiculturalism and diversity."
But, I know you meant the Dhimmis of the World as the "We."
When you mentioned the prayer rugs in San Pietro, Notre Dame and Westminster Abbey, I got so depressed. Particularly San Pietro and Notre Dame which I've both been to in Rome and Paris. Truly, the March of the Muslims since 9/11, and the Dhimmi response of "let it happen" is getting me very depressed. I never had to worry about my civilization before.
Posted by: darcy at May 30, 2007 11:26 AM
I'm beginning to believe there is some plan among the elite and very rich to see islam rule the world. Why? What would the benefit be to them? There has to be a reason the leaders of the world are pushing for us to accept moslems and their stinking religion.
Posted by: interestinconundrum at May 30, 2007 11:28 AM
interestinconundrum, everyday I scratch my head.
I simply don't get why the Barbarian is way past the gates now, and world "leaders" let 'em in.
Can they be that stupid?
Posted by: darcy at May 30, 2007 11:43 AM
I may be showing my age, but if I recall, one of the "perks" (or maybe a requirement) of being discharged from military service in Switzerland is that you keep your rifle. Take it home with you. I think during the time frame they were FN/FAL autos.
Would kinda like to see some sort of "internal disruption" from radical, just to see how those peaceful, neutral Swiss take to threats on their own homeland.
Posted by: EricInTexas at May 30, 2007 12:18 PM
Eric, the biggest danger, as it is in every European country, is not islamic violence; it is islamic demographics.
How long did it take them to go from 1% to 5% in Switzerland? How long before 10% or 15%?
at May 30, 2007 2:14 PM
Looks like their instinct for preserving their country is, too.
Muslims in Switzerland sounds as absurd as cuckoo clocks in Mecca.
Wake up, Swiss!
(It's not your chocolate that they want.)
Posted by: profitsbeard
Dude.. the Swiss PEOPLE are fed up with the MoFoes. Trust me on that. They have a powerful Swiss People's Party which has as its platform the preservation of Swiss Laws and Culture.
The party is under constant attack by the MSM and the Sozi Bureaucrats who are deeply entrenched in Swiss Judiciary and other government institutions.
The Swiss are way ahead of Germany for example in voting against the threat of pigslam.
In fact, the #1 country to escape to for Germans who are leaving due to discontent with their guvmint's lackadaisical attitude re. pigslam - is Switzerland.
Bet you best dollar that these are the educated and enterprising Germans who are leaving...
By the way.. Mecca is full of coocooo clocks already.. they're called moslems! LOL
at May 30, 2007 2:28 PM
"Soon as that mosque is built, some imam will declare chocolate as unislamic and they'll start blowing up chocolate factories.
Posted by walterc
The muslims will be in BIG trouble then ! Imagine millions of women with PMS, rioting in the streets demanding chocolate.....now that would strike fear into the hearts of the jihadists !
Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at May 30, 2007 2:36 PM
interestinconundrum: "There has to be a reason the leaders of the world are pushing for us to accept moslems and their stinking religion."
Because the Muzlims have lots of babies, and most Euros & US Libs DON'T...and Muzlims (currently) vote Dem. What they don't understand is the long-term ramifications of this effort - Sharia.
duh_swami: "We cant get that money away from them, but we can stop them from spending some of it."
Actually, we can if we bomb 'em & take the money as retribution for all the terrorist funding they've participated in. 'Course that won't happen...
Posted by: Miss_Anthrope at May 30, 2007 2:37 PM
"Minaret ban proposal
A row is brewing over religious symbolism in Switzerland.
Members of the right-wing Swiss People's Party, currently the largest party in the Swiss parliament, have launched a campaign to have the building of minarets banned.
They claim the minaret is not necessary for worship, but is rather a symbol of Islamic law, and as such incompatible with Switzerland's legal system.
Signatures are now being collected to force a nationwide referendum on the issue which, under Switzerland's system of direct democracy, would be binding.
The move has shocked Switzerland's 350,000 Muslims, many of whom have been campaigning for decades for more recognition for their faith. "
..more..
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6676271.stm
at May 30, 2007 3:13 PM
"We don't have anything against Muslims," said Oskar Freysinger, member of parliament for the Swiss People's Party.
"But we don't want minarets. The minaret is a symbol of a political and aggressive Islam, it's a symbol of Islamic law. The minute you have minarets in Europe it means Islam will have taken over."
Posted by: Madduck at May 30, 2007 3:16 PM
Story from The First Post..(from 'o6,,still germane)
"..a string of sexual assaults committed mostly by foreigners or naturalized citizens has forced the Swiss to take a hard look at the way they deal with the country's large foreign population, some 20 per cent of the total. (In Europe, only tiny Liechtenstein and Luxembourg have a higher share.)
Just last week, the media reported from Zurich that a 13-year-old girl had repeatedly been raped, over a period of several weeks, by a gang of around ten adolescents
(including her boyfriend), all of them of foreign extraction." ... According to official figures, foreigners commit roughly half of all serious crimes in Switzerland...many troublemakers hail from the Balkans, and a good number of them are Muslim "
at May 30, 2007 3:31 PM
"We don't have anything against Muslims," says Miss_Anthrope, "but we don't want Mosques, Minarets, Sharia, or Islam. They are all symbols of an aggressive political system."
Posted by: Miss_Anthrope at May 30, 2007 3:38 PM
It does seem that the chickens are coming home to roost in the Swiss Alps.
If I am not mistaken, Switzerland's banking system was used by terrorist organizations whose identity was knowingly kept anonymous by the Swiss within that system for years. The Swiss also cut deals with the Nazis (and held onto gold that had been stolen by the Nazis from the Jews prior to their being sent to the concentration camps in addition to not giving it back to the Jews who survived the war and their families).
The Swiss evidently never made the connection between Islam and Nazism (including the clear ideological links between the two). The Swiss government probably never seriously entertained the notion that Switzerland would be considered a target for Islamic terror.
The Swiss are going to pay for these errors (however insignificant they may appear to the Swiss), Islam will see to that.
The Swiss, like much of the world, let the piranhas into their own fish tank. But let's face it: Europe should have learned its lesson from the Battle of Tours in 732 AD, especially a place like Switzerland where the standards of education are thought to be so high.
Posted by: pythagoras at May 30, 2007 3:53 PM
He was enraged when American troops were based in Saudi Arabia during the first Gulf War and has gone on record supporting jihad against American troops in Iraq.
It begs the question whether such Muslims would be so enraged had America only stationed American Muslim soldiers in Saudi Arabia. Would it be an American occupation if only American Muslim soldiers were involved in Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. fighting against the radicals? Would they be welcomed as fellow brethren of the stateless ummah?
Posted by: yadayada at May 30, 2007 3:59 PM
"rational" - We here on JW and on other "Infidel Survival Sites" are certainly NOT "paralyzed by the dogmas of multiculturalism and diversity."
But, I know you meant the Dhimmis of the World as the "We."
When you mentioned the prayer rugs in San Pietro, Notre Dame and Westminster Abbey, I got so depressed. Particularly San Pietro and Notre Dame which I've both been to in Rome and Paris. Truly, the March of the Muslims since 9/11, and the Dhimmi response of "let it happen" is getting me very depressed. I never had to worry about my civilization before.
darcy,
Sorry you got depressed, but as you know, depression, sadness, and anger is sometimes the price one pays for looking reality straight in the face. I can't speak for others, but I rather pay that price and face the truth than retreat into the fantasy world so many Western leaders and intellectuals live in today, making us all vulnerable to the Islamic threat we're faced with today.
Truly We here on JW and on other Infidel Survival Sites" are NOT paralyzed by the dogmas of multiculturalism and diversity, but then, we don't make policy. We're merely voices crying in the wilderness. The policy makers in Western Capitols aren't listening; they're perfectly comfortable with their fantasies about Islam's compatibility with Western civilization and culture.
The prospect of prayer rugs in St. Peters is really quite minor, compared to what an Islamic dominated society is really capable of.
One may only look at what the Taliban did in Afghanistan to 2000 years of artworks for a preview of what could happen in Europe Should the Imans ever control that vast treasure chest of art.
Posted by: rational at May 30, 2007 7:22 PM
"Switzerland seems to be an unlikely locus for a battle over jihadist Islamism, but according to reports, its Muslim citizens, who make up about 5% of the total population, increasingly look to radical Middle East clerics for spiritual guidance."
There's no way that 5% of Swiss citizens are Muslims as this statement implies. The last figures I checked from the Swiss government a couple of years ago had approximately 4% of Swiss RESIDENTS as Muslims (and a majority of them being Bosnian refugees). Given the extreme difficulty and long time period in which a legal resident of Switzerland can become a naturalized citizen, 5% of Swiss citizens being Muslim seems to be a completely bogus number. Anyone who has lived in Switzerland (as I have) knows that the Swiss are very protective of their way of life and very wary of foreigners, especially the Islamic kind. They are not going to let anyone naturalize in mass numbers, much less Muslims and they also have no qualms about kicking out anyone who steps out of line. After all, Switzerland is a police state. The government knows where you live and the people will report anything odd or "verboten."
at May 30, 2007 8:05 PM
Hi rational, thanks for your comment. Oh, I'm facing reality, allright, which is why I come to JW. But, the March of the Muslims IS depressing. Depressing as well is the outright stupidity of Western world "leaders" who have allowed it all to happen.
Well, we have to keep "crying in the wilderness" which I think is getting to be less of a wilderness and more of a very large town! Now, that cheers me up!
Posted by: darcy at May 31, 2007 10:42 AM
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