swish - nuthin' but net

Posted by: Occupant at May 31, 2007 5:23 PM

Robert

I too am astounded by your 'ignorance with humanity'. You should either be ignorant without humanity, or knowledgable with humanity, or knowledgable without humanity.

'May God', the last one is it!

Posted by: Infidel Pride at May 31, 2007 5:35 PM

Self I write just and not coherent to!

Posted by: KAOSKTRL at May 31, 2007 5:37 PM

Calling a spade a spade does not make you a spade. lol.

Posted by: Ruebacca at May 31, 2007 5:50 PM

actually that poster is not to much in the minority,you have many people lumping all relgions together as all bad all the time. they are just too lazy to look into what differernces between relgions and cults. and or just being too liberal all the time..all things are equally bad from their liberal perspective.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at May 31, 2007 6:01 PM

This rant is funny, but it reflects a very common, turn-the-other-cheek love-your-enemies viewpoint. I hate those fools!

Posted by: jewdog at May 31, 2007 6:25 PM

Does Spencer ever get any coherent hate mail?

Posted by: Jesus Christ Supercop at May 31, 2007 6:30 PM

"you people hate to easy"

How does he know how we feel about easying?

Posted by: Josephine at May 31, 2007 6:34 PM

hate to easy?

Mmmm, I suppose those Muslims crying out for the murder of Western infidels are immensely lovable folks.

Posted by: UK Infidel Lover at May 31, 2007 6:39 PM

Robert,

Brilliant mockery/sarcasm....here's a Brit that has a great grasp on the concept also! Ranks up there with some of your Hot Air vids.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=418_1176494781

Posted by: No_Mooselimbs at May 31, 2007 6:45 PM

NM:

You could have seen that here:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/016621.php

Cordially
Robert Spencer

Posted by: jihadwatch at May 31, 2007 6:52 PM

Sorry, Robert for the repost.....the 25th was my wedding anniversary and I didn't do any surfing that weekend! :)

Posted by: No_Mooselimbs at May 31, 2007 6:57 PM

Ohhhhh.....the Humanity!!!!!

Posted by: MP at May 31, 2007 7:34 PM

"If what you say is true about Muslims and they way they hate, then what about you? Your just as bad!!!"

Well, that is progress with the admission of the problem with the email-er saying "Your just as bad!!!"

Posted by: Frank at May 31, 2007 7:35 PM

We are NOT "just as bad", as this fight is NOT of our choosing. The Muslims went into attack mode against the non-Islamic world. It was the Muslims who decided to put the Kuran's violence into play against us. No one forced them to do this.

We will defend ourselves-- and we will win. Islam leaves no acceptable alternatives.

The next time, if there is a next time for Muslims, don't pick a fight with the rest of the world.

Posted by: pythagoras at May 31, 2007 7:36 PM

What is it about the Islamic narrative that gives rise to a profound inability to see the hypocrisy of this kind of email? While it is common for all groups of human beings to tend to see themselves as more good than other groups, most human beings have some capacity for self reflection and self criticism. Muslims seem to be profoundly deficient in this capacity. I suspect it is the supremacists and the insularly cultish nature of Muslim culture. Consider the need for PBUH with Mohammad whenever most speak. It is a group think reenforcement which helps to preclude any real reflection on the profound and widespread evidence that Mohammad was a really evil guy (pedophile, bandit, murderer of poets who mocked him, etc.)

Someone should do research on why Muslims seem unable to be self reflective and self critical.

Posted by: James Martel at May 31, 2007 7:41 PM

The inability to self-critique reminds me of psychopaths (or "sociopaths", as they're called in the U.S.). There is never *any* expression of guilt or any form of comprehension that certain actions may be wrong (it's pathologically selfish -- "the other" does not exist -- psychopaths seek only to gratify themselves). (I believe that looking into psychopathic behaviour provides a great deal of insight when looking at Islam).

Posted by: J.S. at May 31, 2007 7:48 PM

"Your just as bad!!!"

Ummmmm, it's "You're", dumbass.

Someone had to do it.

Posted by: Mr.C at May 31, 2007 8:08 PM

The man is a fool.

Hating evil does not make you evil. Being intolerant of evil does not make you evil. There IS evil in the world.

Posted by: FLLegal at May 31, 2007 8:14 PM

I thought Robert had kicked the habit (headchopping in the morning) relapse? Somebody call dr phil quick, its intervention time.

Posted by: tgusa at May 31, 2007 8:22 PM

Chopping off a person's head is wrong? Now you tell me!

Posted by: champ at May 31, 2007 8:28 PM

It's fascinating the depths that good people will go to protect their conscience. Denial is far more powerful than i ever could have imagined it was. The reason So many people lash out at those of us who can clearly see the writing on the wall and can take the Islamists at their face value is becuase as soon as these Deny'ers acknowledge the Evil , then as a moral and " GOOD " person you then have to do something about it. i have no misconceptions of which is worse, Seeing things as they truly are or Denial. Denial is aiding the enemy and is playing right into their hands , not to mention pyuuing our own heads under the Knife. We here at JW and other places are actually on the front lines. I have no moral Quandry as to why i feel as i do. They tell me everyday what they have in store for us . i can see it in the Muslim world and i can read. I for one will be proud to tell future generations that i was not one of those who went quietly into that good night.

Bring it on!

Posted by: MoBlows at May 31, 2007 8:49 PM

Sometimes, it seems, it is actually "fun" to be Robert Spencer.

Thanks for the comic relief. It was much needed.

Posted by: awake at May 31, 2007 8:54 PM

Is biting someone's head off just as bad? Mrs. Beast does that to me all the time.

Posted by: USBeast at May 31, 2007 8:58 PM

"If what you say is true about Muslims??????????????????????????????"
This one is not quite a lost cause, yet. When he replies with the accusation that you have 'admitted' to chopping off some peoples heads this morning, we'll know it is you, Robert, that is responsible for him turning to jihad...

Posted by: eloivsdiablo at May 31, 2007 9:06 PM

I hate to mow grass. I hate to grocery shop. I hate to carry out garbage. I hate to read bad English. However, I really, really love to easy. Last Sunday I easied all day long.

To easy, or not to easy, that is the question.

Posted by: Pelayo at May 31, 2007 9:07 PM

USBeast -- LOL!!!

Posted by: champ at May 31, 2007 9:15 PM

The title perfectly distills the essence of Tu Quoque so that even cats and dogs can understand.

Posted by: Hugh at May 31, 2007 9:28 PM

Seconding the analysis of James Martel and J.S. As well as the remarkable congruence between Islam and the more extreme kinds of 'cult' group, and between Islam and organised crime 'families' (e.g. the Chinese Triads, or the Mafia) there are many clear symptoms of sociopathy - Mohammed's own sociopathy, perhaps, absolutised as a model. For the benefit of those who don't have time to trawl the archives, I draw attention (as I have before) to M Scott Peck's chilling book 'People of the Lie' (1988). He is talking about evil people generally, but much of his analysis is directly relevant to our present encounter with Islam, the jihadists and their spin-masters. It also accounts remarkably well for the documented characteristics of all Islamised societies and their relationships with their unfortunate non-Muslim minorities and non-Muslim neighbours.

Among other things Peck stresses the pathological narcissism of truly evil people - they persistently reject both self-knowledge and external criticism. He notes: "evil people, refusing to accept their own failures, actually desire to project their evil onto others". Page 82: "A predominant characteristic of the behaviour of those I call evil is scapegoating. BECAUSE IN THEIR HEARTS THEY CONSIDER THEMSELVES ABOVE REPROACH, THEY MUST LASH OUT AT ANYONE WHO DOES REPROACH THEM. THEY SACRIFICE OTHERS TO PRESERVE THEIR SELF-IMAGE OF PERFECTION". Reminded of anything, folks? Pope Rage, Cartoon Rage, apostasy and blasphemy laws? Peck stresses that the truly evil also 'create confusion' because they lie constantly to themselves and others - hence the title of his book, People of the Lie.

A key observation: "I have learned nothing in 20 years that would suggest that evil people can be rapidly influenced by any means other than raw power. They do not respond, at least in the short run, to either gentle kindness or any form of spiritual persuasion with which I am familiar" (p. 75).

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at May 31, 2007 9:33 PM

English his second language? Third?

Posted by: champ at May 31, 2007 9:43 PM

No wonder Muslims are so superior to the rest of us. You can tell from his command of the King's English that he has a bigger brane.

Posted by: Timur at May 31, 2007 9:57 PM

How witty you are Robert, dear!

Hehehe.

Posted by: Kay at May 31, 2007 9:58 PM

dumbledoresarmy:

Funny you should use that book as your reference. Recall that the writer was sitting on the review board for the 'Mi Li Massacre'. That is to say, we in the US are not virgins. And for the last 50 years we in the USA have been working on our own reputation as an 'evil empire'. So in that context I don’t think it is wise to use Pecks book to describe an entire people, as he only used the term evil to draw attention to, or describe the individual. If you are to use that analogy then count on it being applied to us as well

Posted by: QuadoLama at May 31, 2007 10:00 PM

QuadoLama,

You should send an email and all pertinent info about seeing CAIR in AZ giving mexicans housing, etc and having them sign a paper saying they converted to Joe Kaufmann at www.americansagainsthate.org that you posted here a while back.

He is collecting info on CAIR's activities here in the US.

Posted by: eve_anne_gelical at May 31, 2007 10:08 PM

We didn't start this. but we'll sure as Hell finish it.

Posted by: ColonialMarine at May 31, 2007 10:23 PM

eve_anne_gelical

OK, THANKS! I now have some video as well, from 2 weeks ago. The trail has lead me to the Chicago area, and I am going to be there this weekend to speak to some Mexicans who have been transported there from the border. Thanks again!

Posted by: QuadoLama at May 31, 2007 10:23 PM

QuadoLama, having read Peck's book, as well as several others on Borderline Personality Disorder and mind control, I think the Peck reference is valid. While Peck is talking about individuals, it is applicable to any cultic belief system. To compare Mi Lai to the entire history of Islam is intelectually dishonest.

Posted by: Shakey_Premise at May 31, 2007 10:26 PM

QuadoLama

Glad to be of assistance. As I said when you first posted the info, it needs to be widely distributed and when I ran across something on his website about collecting info on CAIR's activities, I immediately thought of your posting.

I've been looking to catch you online for quite a while to pass it on to you.

Good luck in Chi-town

Posted by: eve_anne_gelical at May 31, 2007 10:37 PM

Speaking of texts and psychopathy...there's a very interesting text -- title: "Handbook of Psychopathy", edited by Christopher J. Patrick. It's a compilation of essays by leading researchers in the field (not pop psychology). Makes for some interesting reading.

Posted by: J.S. at May 31, 2007 11:00 PM

I have read some of your articles and am astounded by your ignorance with humanity. May God, you people hate to easy. If what you say is true about Muslims and they way they hate, then what about you? Your just as bad!!!

Why is it that when the hatred and intolerance that are the very essence of islam are exposed and discussed, those who participate are labelled "haters"? I cannot understand this illogical method of reasoning. If everyone just ignores the hate that oozes from muslims and islam, will that mitigate its intensity or make it disappear? Are there really people who believe that hate and evil can be killed with kindness and love? If so, those pathetic naifs are welcome to live in fantasyland, but I prefer the real world. The real world is not and will never be the multicultural utopia of the social deconstructionists' dreams, and muslims want no part of such a world. They want a monocultural world, an islamic world, which they would impose on all of us tomorrow if they had the power to do it.

Islam creates and sustains the most insidious, inexorable, intractable hatred imaginable, an evil that most people cannot imagine, much less comprehend. To acknowledge this takes a certain amount of courage because it means that conflict and self-defense are inevitable. Self-preservation requires constant diligence and close scrutiny of muslims, most of whom are our enemies. If self-preservation and self-defense are now considered immoral, I guess we're guilty.
But we couldn't hate like muslims hate if we never stopped trying. To recognize and counter gratuitous hatred is hardly analogous to being suffused with it.

Posted by: Susanp at June 1, 2007 12:06 AM

"I have read some of your articles and am astounded by your ignorance with humanity. May God, you people hate to easy. If what you say is true about Muslims and they way they hate, then what about you? Your just as bad!!!"

I think you're confused about what you're reading on this site. What you're seeing here is righteous indignation at the unbridled, unreasoning hatred Muslims have for Christians, Jews and other non-Muslims, and their unrelenting, savage drive to subjegate the rest of humanity to their murderous Islamic ideology.

If we on this site all went away tomorrow, it wouldn't change Muslim behavior one bit. They'll go on as before because their sick Islamic ideology will go on as before.

If, on the other hand, and God willing, they ever abandon Their twisted ideology, sites like this will disappear because there'll be no more reason for them to exist.

Posted by: rational at June 1, 2007 12:15 AM

If, on the other hand, and God willing, they ever abandon Their twisted ideology, sites like this will disappear because there'll be no more reason for them to exist.
Posted by: rational

I dont think that will happen because their ideology comes from Allah first and the 'Prophet' second, or the other way around, it does not matter. The point is that no muslim is going to cross Allah. Not if they want to get into paradise anyway. As long as Allah/Mohammad/Quran remain their center of obedience, there will be no reform. What muslim will cross Allah, and have his fingers crossed behind his back? Never mind that Abu...Allah knows everything, you cant cross him and get away with it.

Posted by: duh_swami at June 1, 2007 12:53 AM

If Robert is guilty of 'ignorance with humanity', he should be invited to the comments section and be asked to explain what he means by that...if he even knows...

Posted by: duh_swami at June 1, 2007 1:02 AM

Not Robert, the other guy...

Posted by: duh_swami at June 1, 2007 1:04 AM

We will defend ourselves-- and we will win. Islam leaves no acceptable alternatives.

The next time, if there is a next time for Muslims, don't pick a fight with the rest of the world.
Posted by: pythagoras

Pythe.. I wish I could share in your optimism.. I really really do..

Islam seems just so silly and infantile and inferior in every which way to our Western societies..

But look at the Jews they killed at the onset of their cult.. were they not much more highly developed and civilized?

And what about the local Zoroastrians and the native Pagans?

Look at what damage islam has wrought to the civilization of India.

Can we really be so arrogant that we dismiss these pre-islamic civilizations as inferior to our own?

And what about the Byzantine Empire?

What about Persia.. now known as the "islamic republic of iran"?

All of them were superior to islam in every which way.. and yet.. this strange and purposeful persistence of the practitioners of this cold and evil cult is what ultimately wore down all resistance of even the most highly developed victims which it managed to vanquish.

We'll never know about the ancient pre-islamic civilization of Egypt.. mainly because you-know-who burned down and looted the Library of Alexandria.

They always raze all the documents and texts.. the monuments and the arts of all they conquer.

Even the German commander didn't have the heart to destroy Paris when ordered to raze it by Hitler once the city seemed lost to the occupation.

The Nazis had no desire to destroy any of its arts and monuments - they sought to take them into their possession.

The Russians similarly looted German museums and art collections once they were on their march to Berlin and further west. But they, too had no intention of destroying any of the German art that fell into their hands.

This puzzling urge to purge and eradicate the essence of a vanquished and defeated civilization is indeed unique to islam.

This utter contempt for the cultural achievements and uniqueness of those whom islam has ever managed to conquer... their weird impulse to turn churches and other houses of worship of other religions into mosks.. or at least to destroy them is another such signifier.

See also the mosk they built on top of the Temple Mount which formerly was home to a major synagogue which they of course destroyed once Jerusalem fell into their hands.. the prayer rockets they built surrounding the Hagia Sophia..

..this seemingly so needless triumphalism points indeed to the very essence of the cult of islam..

And how many mosks did they build on top of destroyed Hindu Temples in India?

Everyone knows by now how upset they get when a moslem girl becomes romantically involved with someone of a different faith.

And we all know how they treat those who wish to leave islam for whatever reason at all. Even to the point where their own families disown them at best - and more often seek to murder them to restore some lost honor for a family member having left their cult of islam.

In my view this behavior is deeply insecure. It indicates an inferiority complex which is covered up by these very actions.

Since islam is essentially based on the capture of others and their goods, its adherents must be conditioned to reconcile the innate contradiction which the constant taking of the goods which others have produced with their knowledge that they themselves are not capable of this very productivity and the necessary creativity required for the production thereof.

After all.. the strict following of many times very contradictory and to the outside eye absolutely ridiculous rituals and mandates stabnds in direct opposition to the free thinking and creativity required for the development of societies which are capable of producing said goods.

I have seen others refer to islam as the world's greatest pyramid scheme and I think that about sums things up.

As much as they seem so very ridiculous and backward to all the rest of the world..

..they have done great damage so far and we should be well-warned to take heed of history.

We are doing all the very careless things which those whose lands and civilisations have been lost to islam were doing before they succumbed.

We have the benefit of this history becoming known to us.

islam has been fighting the Rest of the World since its inception.

For the most part they've been victorious. And they will never give up. They will always keep trying. They only lay low at times when direct fighting seems disadvantageous.

Let me stop here. I need to reach those who don't understand this stuff a whole lot more than all of you dear friends here on Jihadwatch.

Vive La Resistance!!

Posted by: Allahfanculo at June 1, 2007 4:17 AM

Unbelievable that we should be still a tiny minority 6 years after 9/11.

In a sane world you would have 99% of the population in arms against this madness. In a sane and rational world Islam would have been removed from our shores long ago.

Is it really only PC multiculturalism, moral & ideological equivalence or is our society truly degenerated and do we 'deserve' to be wiped out?

This is something I have trouble coming to terms with...

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at June 1, 2007 4:19 AM

OT - what's happened to all Rebecca Bynum's posts? They've all gone.

Posted by: Britvic at June 1, 2007 5:15 AM

All I;m going to say is that the picture of 'Darth Spencer' is pretty damn cool.

You should use it as the dustcover picture.

Okay, just kidding, but it is still pretty cool.

Posted by: Fanusi Khiyal at June 1, 2007 5:39 AM

Some people hate the message. Others find it easier and more politically correct to hate the messenger.

Posted by: DJM at June 1, 2007 6:22 AM

there can be nothing good about people who hate and kill icecream vendors, plantation workers, garbagemen,priests,nuns,barbers,teachers,students,journalists,photographers,bus drivers,taxi drivers,shoppers,travelers,Buddists,Hindus,Catholics,Baptists,Protestants,medical aid workers, doctors, nurses,foreign aid workers distributing food and medicine to the needy, politicians, people listening to music or sitting in a library,vegetable and fruit vendors, ....and on and on ....

....it would appear to me that the Muslims have this "hate" thing down to a deadly perfection...

Posted by: exsgtbrown at June 1, 2007 7:17 AM

The susceptibility of the average person to ideas of moral equivalence is truly a sign of intellectual decadence. The conditions under which one could truly say two antagonists are morally equivalent seem to me to be much more rare than the opposite conditions, under which one of the antagonists would have to be considered the morally superior.

Compare moral standing to the system of accounting and ask yourself how frequently it happens that two distinct businesses have the same exact debits and credits in their accounting statements? Pretty rarely. Well, that's how frequently true moral equivalence can be asserted between two antagonists.

The intellectual decadence consists of asserting that the "exception" (true moral equivalence) is the "rule".

Posted by: venividivici at June 1, 2007 7:31 AM

One of the deepest foundation stones of Fictive Reality is the fervid belief that the components of all forms of human conflict must be equivalent, even symmetrical, if that can be arranged in the collective's imagination.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at June 1, 2007 8:31 AM

Anyone who writes "your" for "you're" you know right off the bat they're an ignoramus.

Posted by: darcy at June 1, 2007 8:50 AM

MoBlows - Generally speaking, people hate Truth-Tellers. I suppose because they don't want to face the truth. We here at JW are Truth-Tellers, ergo, we're hated by many.

"The Emperor's New Clothes" is a story about telling the truth. At the end, the little boy who says "But he hasn't got anyhting on!" is the only Truth-Teller. The mob sets upon him and kills him. They prefer blindless to the truth that the Emperor is naked. They can wallow in their ignorance like pigs in mud.

And here's one of my favorite quotations:

"The Truth-Teller must always have one foot in the stirrup."

Posted by: darcy at June 1, 2007 9:00 AM

P.S. It's easy to see that the person who sent that inanity to Mr. Spencer is an intellectual moron, so we won't worry about what he has to say, lol!

Posted by: darcy at June 1, 2007 9:03 AM

John 3:19-21 (Phi) "This is the judgment: that light has entered the world, and men have preferred darkness to light because their deeds were evil. Everybody who does wrong hates the light and keeps away from it, for fear his deeds may be exposed. But everybody who is living by the truth will come to the light to make it plain that all he has done has been done through God."

Shine on Mr. Spencer, Hugh and everyone reading this who carries on in other forums and with other persons. Shine on your crazy diamonds.

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at June 1, 2007 9:06 AM

darcy,

The crazy, absolutely insane thing is that the West has already gone through the social revolutions one would think necessary to have installed 'truth-telling' as an instinctual thing. The reason our ancestors revolted against the various crowned heads of Europe was because they no longer believe the lie of divine right of kings or that the aristocracy ruled by natural right. It was precisely the disbelief in these untrue ideologies that led the 'common man' to revolt in the interest of the basic truth that it is very rare that one man is fit to rule over another with anything resembling absolute power.

Now, we're about to throw all this progress away to allow ourselves to be ruled over by a bunch of f-in' smelly savages who aren't fit to lick my sack like Zahwahiri and bin Laden (pardon my French, but that's what they are)? Hell, bring back the Hollenzollerns if that's the case. At least they were somewhat civilized.

I've often wondered if Nietzsche was right that the democratization of the West was simply the prepatory phase for a greater despotism than the world had ever seen. Of course, he appears to have left out the crucial detail that it would be an Islamic despotism.

Posted by: venividivici at June 1, 2007 9:10 AM

Yes, there's definitely a "Kill the Messenger" theme going when people hate us at JW instead of the real haters, Muslims.

Posted by: darcy at June 1, 2007 9:13 AM

"The Truth-Teller must always have one foot in the stirrup."

darcy, I prefer this one (I guess 'cause I just made it up?):

"The Truth-Teller must always have one finger on the trigger."

Posted by: Miss_Anthrope at June 1, 2007 9:15 AM

Oh, yeah, "camesawconquered" ! - the World is insane right now. But we here at JW and other similar sites are not and because of that we have to keep fighting the Insanity. The tide always turns and it will turn against Muslims, I'm sure. In that Sarkozy was elected instead of that PC idiot Royal already shows the PC tide turning. Also, the beating Labour took in England.

Sorry, can't remember much about Nietzsche from college. But, I do remember that at some point he went nuts and lived the rest of his life in an asylum! So, perhaps he was wrong about the future "greater despotism." Let's hope so.

Posted by: darcy at June 1, 2007 9:23 AM

LOL, Miss_Anthrope - my quotation is to escape the blind mob (horse) and yours is for self-defense should the blind mob get too close. Both work.

Interestingly, mine is an Armenian proverb. Armenian. You know, the group nearly genocided by the Turks in the early 20th century that Turkey still won't admit to?

Posted by: darcy at June 1, 2007 9:28 AM

hahahahahahaha, very funny robert, that was hilarious. I need to go back to eating babies now (I recently watched "Obssesion" and didn't realize we were all baby eaters).

Posted by: Matt at June 1, 2007 9:34 AM

ZenaWarriorPrincess wrote:

actually that poster is not to much in the minority,you have many people lumping all relgions together as all bad all the time. they are just too lazy to look into what differernces between relgions and cults. and or just being too liberal all the time..all things are equally bad from their liberal perspective.

Zena, you are so correct. My father, a liberal and atheist, refuses to see the differences between religions today. Whenever I've tried to discuss the rise of militant Islam with him, he goes off on that tired "all religions are the same" jive. No matter how many acts of Islamist intolerance I point out, he gives me the same song and dance.

Posted by: Proud Infidel at June 1, 2007 9:38 AM

darcy,

Armenians, who? (j/k)

Typical, unfortunately, for many groups...Russians refused to acknowledge the genocide of Ukrainians during WWII. Not sure if they do now.

proud infidel,

Maybe you should have your Atheist father talk to me sometime. As a fellow non-believer, I fully recognize the differences between religions. But then, as a mathematics/finance freak, I look at the body count to distinguish...if the books themselves didn't already drive the point home. (They did.)

Posted by: Miss_Anthrope at June 1, 2007 9:52 AM

Might I add:

As a deist (based on his writings), Benjamin Franklin admired 2 'philosophers' in his life: Socrates and Jesus.

Quote: "As to Jesus of Nazareth, my Opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the System of Morals and his Religion, as he left them to us, the best the world ever saw or is likely to see..."

When one studies the words attributed to Jesus AND Mo, it becomes quite clear their differences.

For a non-believer NOT to know those differences is hard for me to grasp, for I think one MUST study all religions to argue why you are NOT a member of said religions.

C'est vrai, non?

Posted by: Miss_Anthrope at June 1, 2007 10:19 AM

Might I add:

As a deist (based on his writings), Benjamin Franklin admired 2 'philosophers' in his life: Socrates and Jesus.

Quote: "As to Jesus of Nazareth, my Opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the System of Morals and his Religion, as he left them to us, the best the world ever saw or is likely to see..."

When one studies the words attributed to Jesus AND Mo, it becomes quite clear their differences.

For a non-believer NOT to know those differences is hard for me to grasp, for I think one MUST study all religions to understand why you are NOT a member of said religions.

C'est vrai, non?

Posted by: Miss_Anthrope at June 1, 2007 10:19 AM

aargh...sorry for the double post!

Posted by: Miss_Anthrope at June 1, 2007 10:24 AM

You seem, Mr. Spencer, to attract all the opposition from grammarians, judging from that clown's diction and syntax. Can't the jihad find a literate to represent their cause! :)

Allahfanculo, in response to your post, the Haram as-sharrif (Dome of the Rock) was not built by the Muslim invaders of Jerusalem upon the ruins of a synagogue they destroyed, but upon the more ancient ruins of the Second House, or temple, destroyed by the Romans approximately 600 years earlier. The Arabs found the area a refuse dump and placed a makeshift mosque on the site until the present structure was erected some time later.

Posted by: desertdawg29palms at June 1, 2007 11:06 AM

Miss_Anthrope:

I appreciate the offer, but my father is beyond stubburn. He and I are so different, I'm a Christian and right wing conservative, so we have no shortage of issues we disagree on. We do get along great though. As long as we don't discuss politics and religion too much, that is.

To his credit, he never tried to impose his atheism on me, he always allowed me my space to figure things out for myself and taught me great values like honesty, integrity and hard work. I am who I am in no small way thanks to him. Anyone who says atheists can't have good values is full of it.

Posted by: Proud Infidel at June 1, 2007 12:15 PM

Too true...the values with which you're raised make you who you are to the world. Your religion is yours alone, for you to determine your ultimate fate. (But thought I'd offer a non-believer form of assistance!) :)

I'm just glad all my non-believing family members are good, solid conservatives. Just too bad some of my believing family on my mom's side are stark raving lunatic-fringe Libs.

Good thing I knew I disliked/hated them before I knew their politics...made it easy to remove myself from their presence. 'Cause, man, are they irritating with the Hippy questions!

"But is war REALLY the answer?" in response to the 9/11 attacks??? (make sure that's said with a heavy whine in your voice if you make this quip...)

Posted by: Miss_Anthrope at June 1, 2007 2:54 PM

i agree with Fanusi, that Darth Spencer outfit is really you ! clothes like that show a healthy confidence in your own opinions, and the black is
very flattering, showing off your distinguished features very nicely.
and it is good to know that your critics are getting some exposure to popular entertainment, and taking time to relax from their indignation.
i wonder if they watch Star Trek too ?

Posted by: M Al-Content at June 1, 2007 3:58 PM

Robert Spencer is just as bad as terrorists who chop peoples heads off? hahahahah

THIS MESSAGE TO THE BLOKE WHO MAILED ROBERT SPENCER CALLING HIM 'JUST AS BAD' :

You disgusting cowardly worm YOU are just as bad as the terrorists because you want to defend them with your siniveling ignorance of what they are about. you want to defend their evil SOOO badly you would condemn people like Robert Spencer who have the guts to report on their atrocities and twisted plans. What a filthy excuse of "humanity" you are, oh anonymouse emailer to Robert, what a useless brainwashed fool you are.

Hope you run into the terrorists you want to defend so much and then just before they cut your idiotic head off your last thought will be "well Ill be dammed that Robert Spencer guy was right about them here terrorists"

you moron.

Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at June 2, 2007 12:03 PM

" you are just as bad.."
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You can always tell a muslim..but you can't tell them much.

Posted by: pismopal at June 2, 2007 11:06 PM