Another close call. sooner or later they are gonna pull one of these attacks off .It's only a matter of time.What are we going to do about ISLAM . To Stop this evil we have to get to the source .

Posted by: MoBlows at June 2, 2007 2:49 PM

This is like NOT blaming Naziism for the holocaust. It was just a few Kooks.

Posted by: MoBlows at June 2, 2007 2:51 PM

According to tapes recording the plot leader, Russell DeFreitas, he told his fellow Muslims that hitting JFK Airport would be like killing the president twice because he is the 'man' to the Americans. He also said something to the effect that Americans loved the Kennedy name; the destruction would be twice as traumatic because of the name association. Hmmmmm....Little brother Teddy Kennedy has been one of the 'architects' of our out-of-control immigration policy that has and continues to encourage the immigration of millions of Muslims to the US. I await any comments that the esteemed senator has on the latest Muslim plot to destroy our country. However, I am not holding my breath..

Posted by: maryrose at June 2, 2007 3:00 PM

"Defreitas is a U.S. citizen with roots in Guyana."

What will it take for those screwballs in the Congress of the United States to do something to protect this country from Muslim terrorists?"

If these terroris are ever successful,the whole Congress should be charged with treason for aiding and abeting in the crime.

As for Mr. Defreitad, a U.S. citizen, the Constitution clearly mandates death for treason. If the government doesn't demand the death penality for this man, someone had better start asking some questions.

Posted by: rational at June 2, 2007 3:03 PM

Some of the talking heads on TV are emphasing there needs to be an investigation into what would cause a muslim to become radicalized.

Oh, I wonder what could it be?

Are these people that unobservent? Unbelievable!

Posted by: sounder at June 2, 2007 3:08 PM

"Another close call. sooner or later they are gonna pull one of these attacks off .It's only a matter of time.What are we going to do about ISLAM . To Stop this evil we have to get to the source."

MoBlows,

Frankly, MoBlows, I don't think you can rely on anyone in government today to get to the source.

Anyone who does speak the truth about the Islamic threat is going to be shouted down and labeled a racist.

We desperately need a third party in this country. It's pointless to think that the Democrats or Republicans are going to put self-interests aside and do what has to be done to protect this nation.

Posted by: rational at June 2, 2007 3:15 PM

Be prepared for CAIR to release a statement saying that Muslims are peaceful and that we shouldn't blame Muslims for this plot.

Then, a few days later, there will inevitably be a questionable discriminatory incident that CAIR will claim to be part of the backlash from the JFK Terror plot...

Finally, CAIR will attempt to silence Americans by filing paperwork against some poor soul who alerted the FBI to this plot...

The CAIR spin doctor cycle is just way too predictable...

Cheers,

http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com

Posted by: Doctor Bulldog at June 2, 2007 3:17 PM

What? Immigrants? And muslims!? No way!

Posted by: TINBH at June 2, 2007 3:36 PM

I'm shocked, just shocked, that the first out news reports mention Islam.

How many bullets do we have to dodge before we get serious, or will it take another mass casualty incident?

Even then, I'm not so sure the gloves would come off.

Posted by: Thunder Pig at June 2, 2007 3:41 PM

"Terrorism is just a bumper sticker slogan"

Democratic Presidential candidate, John Edwards

--How many of you actually believe such nonsence?

I wonder what kind of response this new darling of the left would get if he made that speech near JFK,La Guardia, and Queens. The leader of this foiled attempt apparently worked at JFK and was an Muslim US Citizen.

Posted by: Mackie at June 2, 2007 3:44 PM

Things unfolding. They are saying on tv right now this guy watch and knew we made bombs for Israel meant to kill muslims! Looks like we are blood brothers now to Israel! How else does a bloody enemy feel living here working to do this. What other results could accure? oh god, dont't ask ?en's. I learned. Not the ones you know the answer if you speak it.
They are saying, this must! be indrilled into the election! For we are going to be hit! A bus a mall, something! Because now they say we better be all on board! Can ya, da believe it? Hello...
hell...'O!--sht!!* * *

Posted by: MZ at June 2, 2007 3:47 PM

Will the "Islamophobia" never end!!

Posted by: alexon at June 2, 2007 4:04 PM

Again I make referrence to my dreams. I said this would happen not to long ago I blogged it. I was worried gas lines to explode. I said, I wanted every city, mayor, check under ground. For anything, everything! I blogged to Israel check again for tunnel and they did not because of me, but for what ever reason and sure! They are well sophisticated. Ever city should do this because we will see something! I had dreams of me down town and I would run from building to building for protection but they would blow up. I have asked people what would make something like that do that? of coarse I am paranoid-nut. Had a few bumps to the head-concusion style. A stroke at 32. What ever the damn devil dishes out-there!
I have had Jesus since I was three. You all would say I am nuts if I told you the experience! It of coarse was through my Rev.grandpa! I seen his aura. I think it is a good story! I am so lucky but it is true! oh, sorry, I dreamnt of an airport when I was about 7 and it was blowing up here and there and I never seen this place before. Then I saw it when I was 16 and dejavu'! I love dreaming. I tried to dream long enough to call God. I almost had the phone # and my brother woke me up. I was very mad and he laughed!
Pretty soon Robert will be flooded! oh please Robert save us, why are they doing this?
I am tallking all this when all this sht going on! Just having "flashes!" I have a few more butt I wouldn't want to scare ya! Just kidding you guys are well shaped! Congrads!

Posted by: MZ at June 2, 2007 4:19 PM

“hitting JFK Airport would be like killing the president twice”
These islamists are really a bunch of stupid idiots.

Posted by: tgusa at June 2, 2007 4:21 PM

Not until they are all gone! Or changed their ways!

Posted by: MZ at June 2, 2007 4:22 PM

Wouldn't that be nice, if the terrorists pulled this off and then justified their actions in court by standing up and shouting with clenched fists, "Death to America but specifically, death to the Kennedy name!"

What would the east coast liberals and the NYT say about that? What would Paul Gigot and the WSJ say?

Reminds me of the only funny line to come out of 9/11. A few days afterwards, a New Yorker, a woman, surely a Ted Kennedy liberal, expressed bewilderment that terrorists would attack New York City - not because America didn't deserve it, but only because New York didn't deserve it. Said the woman, "I don't understand. New York is a blue state."

Posted by: jihadwatcher at June 2, 2007 4:23 PM

I heard he was traveling from Trinidad to Venenzuela.
I wonder if Venenzuela is some how involved.

Posted by: Joe Schmoe USA at June 2, 2007 4:25 PM

I heard that too what a bunch of twisted, are these people screened by their blood to see what the hell is with-in them. Do a MRI on their brain!
Kill the President twice now their killing us twice well I kill you a million times!

Posted by: MZ at June 2, 2007 4:26 PM

jihadwatcher the funny thing is that these so called liberals from "blue states" don't realize these islamist terrorists dont care that you are liberal, conservative, blue state, redstate, they only know you are not butt bowing muslim.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at June 2, 2007 4:26 PM

I thought that before they come from Venenzuela, they said that, Ms-13 too, they come up through mehico! Good point zena! ha haaa. . .sht that is me too!***?!

Posted by: MZ at June 2, 2007 4:34 PM

Don't know if anyone had posted this on one of the previous stories or not but....

I seem to remember osama bin laden saying at one point that they would have the ground beneath our feet burning.

At that point, pipelines carrying flammable liquids came to mind.

I hope I wasn't the only one...and that the pipelines of various sorts throughout the country are secured.

Posted by: eve_anne_gelical at June 2, 2007 4:44 PM

The good side Hillary finished, Edwards, Obama, who else?

Posted by: MZ at June 2, 2007 4:58 PM

Audio Message Urges Muslims to Attack; Tape Attributed to Al Qaeda Deputy Chief

WASHINGTON POST
22/05/2003

By Peter Finn
In an audiotape broadcast today, a man identified as the deputy head of the al Qaeda network called on Muslims to attack Western facilities across the world, kill Western civilians and Jews, and "turn the ground beneath their feet into an inferno."

Broadcast by al-Jazeera television as the United States and Saudi Arabia braced for possible new attacks, the statement was attributed to Ayman Zawahiri, a physician who founded Egyptian Islamic Jihad, which merged with Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda.

Posted by: eve_anne_gelical at June 2, 2007 4:59 PM

Look who works for all these places. Illegals work at Nasa, airports and many places. Just check out ICE!

Posted by: MZ at June 2, 2007 5:01 PM

"One of the most chilling imaginable"? How much does this Roslynn R. Mauskopf knwo about the legacy of jihad? More chilling, for example, than taking 400 elementary school children hostage, torturing them, raping many of them, and then shooting them in the back as they try to flee? This plot is run-of-the-mill pedestrian for the mahometan savages.

Posted by: Infidel33 at June 2, 2007 5:04 PM

I heard a news report about this on an AM news radio station a few hours ago....no mention "Islam" or "Muslim". The only plotter name mentioned was the one non-Muslim.

The majority of people are still in the dark whn it comes to Islam. We regular JW readers are a true "tiny minority".

For instance, I was talking to a Filipina neighbor the other day. She has relatives in the PI who she writes & calls a few times a month. When I asked if her realitives were worried about jihadi actions, she had NO idea what I was talking about. When I explained about the Moros long-term terrorist/takeover plans, she was clueless...totally clueless. Never heard about it. Then I went on about general jihad world-wide, about hoe almost all terrorist acts are by Muslims, etc... She had no idea what I was talking about.

Posted by: Charles Bogle at June 2, 2007 5:06 PM

"The devastation that would be caused had this plot succeeded is just unthinkable," she said at a news conference.

Devastation: this is music to the ears of a radical Muslim; this is exactly what they're aiming for. Allah is chomping-at-the-bit for the most bang-for-his-buck, as his human zombies are standing in line ANXIOUS to carry out these evil deeds. Pick me! Pick me!

Islam, how is this pursuing PEACE?

Your lack of response to this question is very telling.

Posted by: champ at June 2, 2007 5:09 PM

Has anyone else notices the high percentage of muslims (especially Somalis?) working in all capacities at U.S. airports? Taxi drivers(90% muslim), baggage handlers, rental car agents, HSA "screeners" (!), cleaners, etc., etc. A MUCH higher percentage of muslim than the surrounding area. I speak of Portland, Seattle, Oakland, San Francisco, LAX, and Orange County. I'd bet Detroit, Minneapolis, and Newark are much worse?

Posted by: Charles Bogle at June 2, 2007 5:16 PM

Such godly men, these jihadis. Imagine the hours, days, weeks of reverent contemplation of the transcendence of god that yielded such an epiphany, their selfless obeisance to the holy design, their dedication to that perfect will.

I hope they get thoroughly sodomized while in the joint.

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at June 2, 2007 5:21 PM

My eyes are burning -- thanks for the visual; but it's a good visual.

Posted by: champ at June 2, 2007 5:28 PM

..AP article interestingly explicit in identification of perps'religion'..

By ADAM GOLDMAN, Associated Press Writer

"NEW YORK - Four Muslim men were foiled from carrying out a plot to destroy John F. Kennedy International Airport, kill thousands of people and trigger an economic catastrophe by blowing up a jet fuel artery that runs through populous residential neighborhoods, authorities said Saturday."...

Posted by: Madduck at June 2, 2007 5:29 PM

" (1) not until they are all gone or (2) they change their ways."
posted above

I'll take #1 for $50 please.

Posted by: pismopal at June 2, 2007 5:38 PM

Charles Bogle:

Who was the non-Muslim?

Unless I'm wrong, the only plotter without a Muslim-sounding NAME (Ronnie D.) is still a Muslim (like Richard Reid).

Posted by: PMK at June 2, 2007 5:40 PM

Make that Russell D.

Posted by: PMK at June 2, 2007 5:41 PM

Just for kicks, I watched CNN for an hour after hearing FOX News describe the JFK related phone call.

CNN did not mention the words Islam, Muslim, or Immam in that 60 minute period.

Posted by: JSobieski at June 2, 2007 5:43 PM

Just for kicks, I watched CNN for an hour after hearing FOX News describe the JFK related phone call.

CNN did not mention the words Islam, Muslim, or Immam in that 60 minute period.

Posted by: JSobieski at June 2, 2007 5:44 PM

The good side Hillary finished, Edwards, Obama, who else?

Posted by: MZ

Are you sure? There are enough people disgusted with George Bush to vote for Hillary, Edwards, O'Bama or anyone else to the right of Kucinich.

Look for them to say that this would never have happened if we hadn't gone into Iraq. A lot of people will buy the argument and to heck with the facts.

It's easier to pretend the problem will just go away rather than take the hard steps to fight it.

Posted by: PMK at June 2, 2007 5:45 PM

“I'm shocked, just shocked, that the first out news reports mention Islam.”

That’s more than the BBC does, of course – they are just “four people”, and you’re left to guess the truth from their first names, or to think it's some dastardly West Indian plot (in revenge for slavery?) Oh, and of course, it’s “Mr Defreitas” to the BBC – mustn’t show disrespect.

Posted by: JFGR at June 2, 2007 5:48 PM

Has anyone else notices the high percentage of muslims (especially Somalis?) working in all capacities at U.S. airports?
from a poster

Listen to the security experts and they'll tell you that Defreitas and other immigrants are simply "doing the jobs Americans will not do". I heard it again today in the wake of this plot.

Posted by: PMK at June 2, 2007 5:48 PM

Somehow, I bet Islam plays into this.

Hmmmm......

Posted by: profitsbeard at June 2, 2007 5:51 PM

Just for kicks, I went to the CAIR website, and found this article from 2006:

CAIR-NY: JFK Illegally Targeting Muslims

http://www.cair.com/default.asp?Page=articleView&id=40626&theType=NB

Maybe they need to change it to:

Muslims Illegally Targeting JFK

Adds a whole new dimension, eh?

Cheers,

http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com

Posted by: Doctor Bulldog at June 2, 2007 5:57 PM

Re: Terror Plot "One Of The Most Chilling Imaginable"

We have not seen the worst yet, that which is designed to break the heart. Eventually, they will seize a Grade School or High School (maybe college) to kill and harm "Infidels". The recent event at the High School in Colorado was a probe. I pray God Homeland Security are on their toes. Please God.

Only the most ruthless will stop them. They will be stopped.

Posted by: Frank at June 2, 2007 6:00 PM

In war punishment is inflicted on a collective enemy. Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan both contained populations of people mostly sympathetic to the war aims of the Nazis and of Kodo militarists, but even those who were not sympathetic were made to suffer in the general infliction of ruination on both countries. And when the tolerant and advanced state of Czechoslovakia under Edouard Benes and Jan Masaryk instituted the "Benes Decrees," including the most important of them by which, in 1946, 3 million ethnic Germans were permanently expelled from Czechoslovakia in order to safeguard, for the future, that state from German aggression and agents within the country who identified with Deutschtum, one understood.

The enemy here is a doctrine, and those who adhere to that doctrine of Jihad and support violence as the best instrument. But even those who support other means, or who continue to identify themselves in a way that makes clear that despite everything they will think of themselves in the end as adherents of Islam, are no more immune to retribution than were inhabitants of Tokyo, or Dresden, or other cities, during World War II.

The Israeli method of pin-point targetting is not, in the long run, effective, and certainly is not a model of what the American government should do, or should think it is limited to doing. Its aim is to protect its people, their legal and political instiutions, their physical security. All naive beliefs about how We All Want the Same Thing and so on are just variants on the bomfoggery that has its place, no doubt, in Christian preaching, but won't do as a guide to ensuring the survival of the less primitive -- made less primitve, no doubt, because of many factors including the beliefs that animate, or once animated, their ancestors -- when menaced by the more primitive.

Posted by: Hugh at June 2, 2007 6:22 PM

Kadir, a Muslim, left his position in Parliament last year. Muslims make up about 9 percent of the former Dutch and British colony's 770,000 population, mostly from the Sunni sect.

Those damned Jews and Zionist Christians, AGAIN!

Posted by: witness at June 2, 2007 6:23 PM

PMK; So true, so true I don't know how that slipped my mind? All the excitement! Thanks! lol..

Posted by: MZ at June 2, 2007 6:24 PM

Charles Bogle; did they speak english?..jk
I have noticed alot of muslims have gas stations here. The teens around me said we don't go there we go to citgo. I said, noooo... I explained! some.

Posted by: MZ at June 2, 2007 6:37 PM

"All naive beliefs about how We All Want the Same Thing and so on are just variants on the bomfoggery that has its place, no doubt, in Christian preaching..."
Posted above.

Re:We All Want the Same Thing

Not really. Not really a properly "placed" Christian "bomfoggery", that is. Perhaps we could agree on "Christian" preaching or "Christian preaching" or perhaps Christian "preaching", with properly "placed" snear quotes so that we could all imagine that we "no doubt" enjoy consensus?

1 Corinthians 2:14
The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at June 2, 2007 6:39 PM

Hugh-

You remind me so much of the saying, "Look into your heat and write". I pray someday you shall do something extraordinary in that regard-and make you a big financial success (not your aim-but God might smile there). I do pray God will give you great financial success to equal your independent nature. It might be that God hears Frank, Hugh, and will nod "Yes". "OK, Frank. Anything you desire, Frank. God has His favorites."

Posted by: Frank at June 2, 2007 6:50 PM

THE JOBS AMERICANS WON'T DO;That is so bf! what a slap in the face when I hear that! When I have given years of volunteer work. Take care of my grandpa for 4 years here 24/7! Not a penny! I applied! Applied again! They said it had to be a stranger! So I did it for free. He was wheel chaired bound. He had Parkinsons and he was 94.
I took care of both of them (10yrs) till my grandma died! She developed gang green in her leg and had it removed and I took care of her the whole time and took her to therapy. Not a penny! Traveling lifting them. Cooking, doctors,church, bathing. But I'd do it again! They prefer a stranger come in my house and take care of him! I was doing it to keep him from bs. and he could continue his Bible studies!
Why does the government think we are so gullible!?

Posted by: MZ at June 2, 2007 6:50 PM

Not to mention I was working at a Daycare for tots 15 of them! Like a illegal for 1/2 the price and taking care of my 3yr old!

Posted by: MZ at June 2, 2007 7:03 PM

Hugh,
While I agree fully that the adherents of Islam should be no more immune to retribution than the people of Dresden or Tokyo, haven't the laws of warfare changed?

Take the most sparsely built and populated Muslim city and bomb it in retribution for acts of war committed by the Ummah and aren't you guilty of a war crime? Isn't that the result of Geneva Conventions governing the laws of war and targeting civilians? Our enemy is civilian. It's not an army that will meet us on the battlefield. Our military will deliberately attack civilian infrastructure. Won't that now be a war crime?

Israel was attacked by Hezbollah but its retribution drew international condemnation because the targets were in civilian neighborhoods. If Israel couldn't attack Beirut in retribution for direct attacks against it without its leaders being accused of war crimes, how far can this doctrine go?

Posted by: PMK at June 2, 2007 7:04 PM

Devil's Island, of Colonel Dreyfus and Papillon fame, is located off the coast of French Guyana. Remember the movie with Steve McQueen and Dustin Hoffman? There is no escape from Devil's Island! Solitary for years, your best friend is a local cell rat, gigantic centipedes, madness.
Sounds like some of the rats have escaped after all.

Posted by: jewdog at June 2, 2007 7:04 PM

Hugh-

My prayer for you is that God Almighty will make you so financially successful that you will question atheism. You will mutter, " That son-of-bitch, Frank. He's got me questioning everything on this matter..."

May the Almighty God answer and say "YEE" and make Hugh a rich man-so he can concentrate on what's important. Hugh is the best and the brightest.

Posted by: Frank at June 2, 2007 7:04 PM

Frank states, "Hugh is the best and the brightest."

If Hugh is so bright, then why is he calling himself an atheist? If anything, someone who is bright would be able to recognize the existence of God.

My point is that I don't believe in atheists -- how about that! In my opinion, it's just an excuse because they can't make up their mind as to WHAT they believe, so they cop-to saying they don't believe in a God. Only a fool says there is no God.

Posted by: champ at June 2, 2007 7:21 PM

How many illegals do Volunteer Work? Or guard the border against their own? We contribute, do they?

Posted by: MZ at June 2, 2007 7:27 PM

PMK-

"Who was the non-Muslim?

Unless I'm wrong, the only plotter without a Muslim-sounding NAME (Ronnie D.) is still a Muslim (like Richard Reid)."

Yes, that's what I meant to say...non-muslim in name. That which we call poison ivy / By any other name would still jack you up.

Posted by: Charles Bogle at June 2, 2007 7:27 PM

How many illegals do Volunteer Work? Or guard the border against their own? We contribute, do they?

Posted by: MZ at June 2, 2007 7:28 PM

"The pipeline, owned by Buckeye Pipeline Co., takes fuel from a facility in Linden, New Jersey, to the airport. Other lines service LaGuardia Airport and Newark Liberty International Airport."

Get that whole pipeline on fire and it would have been a big fire. There are pipelines all over the US, running through neighborhoods.

I wonder how it feels to wake up every day, planning to murder people...just to sit back and think of the most horrible way to kill people you have never met.
Watch the video http://www.memritv.org/search.asp?ACT=S9&P1=1468#
I posted on the "playing moslem at school" thread. That is why these bloodthirsty men exist, because "Mama Jihad" has raised them to be monsters.

Posted by: interestinconundrum at June 2, 2007 7:35 PM

champ;that would make alot of fools. I don't believe that way but I do pray they come to know Christ before they die. I think we may be given that second chance after death, if then you refuse to see well then what can I say. Jesus searched them out! He said plainly he did not come here for the believers but to help save those who do not know him yet or His Father. He went into low life bars! Some people believe in Him also and do not know it. Or come to recognize it yet.

Posted by: MZ at June 2, 2007 7:35 PM

Hugh's personal beliefs are his business. For all I care he can worship Baal and sacrifice virgins on the weekend. This cause is all about fighting intolerance.

Posted by: jewdog at June 2, 2007 7:37 PM

Frank,

Your atheist-hating ways would go over much better at LGF, where Jesus-doubters are pounded with gusto.

The focus should be on Islam vs. Civilization, not Christians vs. everyone else.

Posted by: Charles Bogle at June 2, 2007 7:37 PM

Frank states, "Hugh is the best and the brightest."

If Hugh is so bright, then why is he calling himself an atheist? If anything, someone who is bright would be able to recognize the existence of God.

It's an independence thing with Hugh(He's Irish-LOL.) "God writes straight with cooked lines", as my dear Grandmother said. It will be so with Hugh. He's an independent type. I do pray God will favor him financially as He has been so kind to me. God has been very kind and favorable to me. Maybe he likes independent types. I love God for that. May He favor Hugh in that regard.

Posted by: Frank at June 2, 2007 7:50 PM

Thank you FBI. Keep up the good work.

Posted by: Ruebacca at June 2, 2007 7:50 PM

Mr. Bogle,

I heartily agree. The Christian bashing (as in 402974 above) should stop, whether by atheists or Islamists. Then there would be no need for pounding "Jesus-doubters", with gusto or without.

See how far a "mod" can pull a thread OT?

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at June 2, 2007 7:54 PM

This is kind of like a hockey goalie trying to earn a shut-out in a hockey game. The more shots on goal against him, the greater the probability of the goalie allowing a goal. This is a wake-up call! If this keeps up, sooner or later there will be another terrorist attack on North American soil. This is why all Muslims in America, Canada and many other western civilizations must be profiled.Forget Polesi(Yoda), Ellison and CAIR. We must continue to protect our interests when the enemy has infiltrated our system and way of life.

Posted by: The Resistance at June 2, 2007 8:20 PM

Hugh working from 2nd humanity. He is a good person. There are dis-believer's that do not believe and they work from the 1st humanity!=death

Posted by: MZ at June 2, 2007 8:31 PM

2nd humanity God and man, whom Jesus gave us. fellowship,love, wisdom, insight, ...
1st humanity; adam and eve disobeyed God doubting his word. A dead humanity. Which Jesus replaced with the 2nd humanity=LIFE

Posted by: MZ at June 2, 2007 8:37 PM

The more I learn about the Universe the more I would be surprised that there wasn’t a God. However, everyone should be free to believe what they want to as long as they don’t behave like the islamists do. If so and so doesn’t believe so what, I mean, what people believe, it all could be bs and everyone gets judged according to their deeds. I know many of you will say no one comes to the father except through me but God has changed his mind before so don’t be too sure of how it all works. On the other hand I have heard atheists complain that Christians are telling them they are going to hell. Well first of all who are they to say who goes where, read your bible, that is dangerous territory, playing God yourself a big no no. Second, what do atheists care, they don’t believe in God so who cares that someone is telling them they are going somewhere they don’t even believe exists? To each his own, that is generally the best policy and if you all don’t like it, you can go to hell.(just kidding)

Posted by: tgusa at June 2, 2007 8:40 PM

Well, I'm a hardcore believer, but I'll take
witty Hugh over one hundred average "believers".

Just believing in God is not enough. Lots of
nonmuslim believers are in the camp of dhimmitude.

IMO, Hugh is on the side of the angels, atheist or
not, and many so called believers are on the side
of evil.

Posted by: root_cause at June 2, 2007 8:44 PM

A quick reminder: no proselytizing; this is a non-sectarian site.

Otherwise, this thread could stand as a microcosm of one of the greatest problems we face in fighting jihad: Getting diverted from the central topic to squabble amongst ourselves.

Marisol Seibold
Jihad Watch News Editor

Posted by: MarisolJW at June 2, 2007 8:46 PM

jewdog-

God be with you. Always. I'm not a sectarian religious person in these matters (i must be honest I tend to Jesus in my feelings),but KNOW God is there. I have been so lucky ( and a lot of my breaks have come from Jewish guys. I had to meet the standards, but when I did, the standards mattered). God deliver us from this crazy Jew-hate. It breaks my heart. It's not Justice.

jewdog- We are not able to meet the standards of God. The whole thing is so imperfect... All we can ask is for God to have mercy on us all.

Posted by: Frank at June 2, 2007 8:52 PM

Frank what makes you think Hugh is even Irish? and so he profeses to be an atheist, l have several brothers who are atheist, most of them are so damm left liberal, and my one favourite atheist brother is very conservative, sounds much like Hugh, so l have a soft spot for people like Hugh and my brother Gerald. The liberals atheist from what l can see in my family are the worst in giving leeway to muslims, and place all religions equally bad. Where as my conservative atheist brother understand that Christians and Jews have evolved peacefully , to where they (observant ones) are not lethal like pious muslims.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at June 2, 2007 8:58 PM

ZenaWarriorPrincess-

Trust me darling, it takes one to know one. The bastard Hugh is Irish. I know you are a real woman... trust me he's Mc. He's a typical independent type among the Mc's----you ladies pretend to deplore the type... I'll bet he went to school (Grammar, HS) with Irish Christian Brothers or Jesuits. They were hard on that logic stuff. The bastard Hugh is Irish.

I'm Irish (my grandmother was English-one English-Evelyn Chadwick born in the East End of London . In Fact, she almost got turned back from the US because she had TB when she was a babe in England. The rest are Irish.)

Hugh is Irish-predominantly. Trust my judgement, darling.

Posted by: Frank at June 2, 2007 9:21 PM

jihadwatcher wrote:

"A few days afterwards, a New Yorker, a woman, surely a Ted Kennedy liberal, expressed bewilderment that terrorists would attack New York City - not because America didn't deserve it, but only because New York didn't deserve it. Said the woman, 'I don't understand. New York is a blue state.'"

There was such an outcry, even from his fellow liberals, that he removed it from his website. But not before some of his more radical leftist admirers copied the statement to their own websites. So you can still find it out there via Google, I'll bet.

Posted by: Steven L. at June 2, 2007 9:35 PM

PMK asks:

"Take the most sparsely built and populated Muslim city and bomb it in retribution for acts of war committed by the Ummah and aren't you guilty of a war crime?"

Not necessarily. The Geneva Convention forbids the killing of civilians in operations that have no military worth. It does not forbid the killing of civilians as collateral damage of a military target. For example, when the military bombs an enemy munitions factory or weapons manufacturing plant, it's extremely likely that the enemy's civilian workers are inside it at the time and they will be killed. But that is not considered a war crime.

So while bombing a residential neighborhood devoid of military value, just out of revenge, would be considered a war crime, bombing a residential neighborhood that is chock-full of enemy weapons factories, command-and-control centers, and anti-aircraft missile emplacements, would not be. It would be regrettable, and I'm sure the usual suspects would howl about it, but legally they wouldn't have a case under Geneva.

Posted by: Steven L. at June 2, 2007 9:43 PM

Frank -- I'm part Irish -- bet you didn't know that! Yeah, but which part? Tee Hee! The firey part I guess.

Posted by: champ at June 2, 2007 9:47 PM

MarisolJW

Yes! Microcosm! Yes!

Its a learning experiance.

With all this Irish talk and this Atheist vs. Catholic (from what I can tell) smack down I thought should bring forth the armies of the Protestant cause...

I got me pike and lets get this 30 years war going...I want to be Gustaf Adolf the Great aka "Lion of the North"...sounds kinda cool...The protestant babes will love it..

Wait oh shoot...the dam enlightenment..

oh well never mind...carry on!

:)

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at June 2, 2007 10:00 PM

champ-

I'll bet I'm like you and identify as "American". I went to to Ireland in late 2001-2002 (exactly 100 years before my ancestors arrived). It's a foreign country. I'm American. I'm lucky I'm born here. My grandmother (from England) tested positive for TB) they interned her for a long time at Ellis Island.

My grandfather thought she was very pretty. She was that-in an English way-LOL. She was pretty, just as I am handsome. The ladies like me. The ladies have good judgement.

Posted by: Frank at June 2, 2007 10:08 PM

Frank one of my gr.grandmothers was from Ireland, her whole family died on route and she was adopted by a Fr.cdn family both were Catholic and so they blended into the Cdn society, where as muslims do not seem to blend in anywhere. My mother spoke of her the Irish who intergrated easily with the Fr.Cdns. there Collins, Sullivans, all were able to live amony the original European French settlers. now you come to the present we now have muslim enclaves within large cities demanding more rights, a public grade school in town now has arabic lessons even for infidels. many people wrote in the editorial blasting this decision as taking money, space away from more important things.. like math, sciences, English and French, but as usual they were shot down as racists. l hope no infidel family lets their kid attend those classes. there were other large ethnic people who settled here, such as Italians, Polish, they did not demand their language to be thought in public schools. sorry to be a wee bit off topic, but its important to show how the rest of us non muslims are asked to take in arabic culture, but never the muslims are asked to intergrate into a Western society. yes Cdns are very close in our thinking as Americans, we just have a wee bit more liberals.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at June 2, 2007 10:28 PM

Execute them tomorrow at sundown! Why haven't the Fort Dix clowns been executed yet? Where is the delay?

Posted by: DavidE at June 2, 2007 10:45 PM

ZenaWarriorPrincess-

The people that assimilate will understand what America is all about. It's not perfect, but it's a wonderful place. My grandparents were very poor. They had no education. In fact, I'm the first male in my line that is college educated (a couple of aunts were grade school teachers). Of course, "I'm not as smart as "Himself" (aka, Hugh-LOL). But America is so extraordinary in the the opportunities it provides. You have to be a Muslim or a moron not to see it-LOL.

Posted by: Frank at June 2, 2007 10:45 PM

Frank -- you sound like quite a catch. You're rich, good looking, American; and a ladies man! You married? No, I'm not shopping, just curious. :)

Posted by: champ at June 2, 2007 10:46 PM

I know! Let's let another 7500 or 10,000 Muslims into the country!

Do you suppose that uncovering a new Muslim jihadist plot every 3 weeks will ever give anybody in Washington that "Aha!" moment? Or are we just going to keep swinging the gates wide open for every Mahmoud, Ibrahim, and Yusuf in the whole wide world?

Posted by: A_Nonny_Mouse at June 2, 2007 10:51 PM

champ-

I'm married (loyal Irish), very horny (I love female beauty), really appreciative (but discreet) with women.

My problem generally is distrust with human nature. I don't trust by nature. For that reason I'm a little more on guard with women because my defenses are somewhat weak with them. My emotions dominate with women, and it's a bit scary with me. I have a strong attraction to women. I like to analyse, and don't quite understand the loss of control with the female anatomy. It's not easy to analyse.

anyway, this response is very honest. Leave it at that.

Posted by: Frank at June 2, 2007 11:14 PM

"Leave it at that"

Frank -- OK, so you want to talk about these things, but then you don't. That's cool.

One final thought. If it's any comfort, my husband struggles with the same issue. Sometimes it really annoys me, but I've come to accept the pull other women can have one him because I know that I'm his #1 girl, and he doesn't disrespect me in the process. Otherwise we would have a REAL problem.

Take care!

Posted by: champ at June 2, 2007 11:52 PM

Test

Posted by: The Resistance at June 2, 2007 11:52 PM

HMMM. I had an Irish ancestor, Darnell O'Sullivan...1500's.

I hope the authorities are smart enough to start checking all fuel storage and transportation systems.

Posted by: duh_swami at June 3, 2007 12:10 AM

I await any comments that the esteemed senator has on the latest Muslim plot to destroy our country. However, I am not holding my breath..
Posted by: maryrose

Don't get me started
on Red Ted
lest I say something
I may regret.

I will now leave it
at that.

Posted by: Allahfanculo at June 3, 2007 12:32 AM

Even then, I'm not so sure the gloves would come off.
Posted by: Thunder Pig

You know something...? It's the American Public.. just like the public in Europe puts up with these crap POLOticians and keep going to the voting booth like lemmings on crack.. always voting in the most well-advertised 'product'...

As long as the vast majority keep going to work and mowing their lawn.. watching the Superbowl and consuming huge loads of 'Bud'..

As long as only the few who come to jihdwatch and other similar sites express our anger..

NOTHING WILL CHANGE!

Posted by: Allahfanculo at June 3, 2007 12:37 AM

CAIR-NY: JFK Illegally Targeting Muslims

http://www.cair.com/default.asp?Page=articleView&id=40626&theType=NB

Maybe they need to change it to:

Muslims Illegally Targeting JFK

Adds a whole new dimension, eh?

Cheers,

http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com
Posted by: Doctor Bulldog

Bulldog - *THAT* was BULLSEYE!

I *know* I come on here for a good reason besides my misgivings about islam and the moslems who spread it like a bad virus.. talk about stopping some deadbeat with drug-resistant TB from taking a plane..

We need to stop millions of islamos from taking a plane. instead of this Speaker fool!!!

How many people will realistically die because of this goof?

Compare that to how many people die each year due to islam and the actions of its fanatical freakish followers!!

Anyway.. I also come on here to catch some occasionally brilliant and sarcastic wit.

This needs to go into the Jihadwatch Hall of Fame.

Posted by: Allahfanculo at June 3, 2007 12:43 AM

If and when another jihadist attack happens,i bet any of you here,that our government will probably bring in the National Guard and order it to protect muslim communities and mosques against any potential "backlash",i bet they will imprison any of us who would even dare to "incite anti-muslim sentiments" or even look at a muslim on the street the wrong way.
Not only our government will not protect us,not only they willingly and knowingly bring in thousands of muslim immigrants,they will turn against us,the american people and side with the muslims...i know it and it will happen.
We do not have leaders,we have cowards and traitors.

Posted by: adela at June 3, 2007 12:55 AM

What adela has written in her post is what happens to us over here. After every attack, the government sends troops to guard the mosques and protect the muslim areas. Everyone is afraid of a "backlash".

Posted by: arjun.sevak at June 3, 2007 12:57 AM

Reminds me of the only funny line to come out of 9/11. A few days afterwards, a New Yorker, a woman, surely a Ted Kennedy liberal, expressed bewilderment that terrorists would attack New York City - not because America didn't deserve it, but only because New York didn't deserve it. Said the woman, "I don't understand. New York is a blue state."

Posted by: jihadwatcher

Yep.. I live in New York and deal with people just like that woman EVERY DAMN DAY!!

Most of these people have great jobs.. are well-paid or independently wealthy.. I wonder I wonder HOW on Earth does such braindeadness attract this good fortune for these folks?

And it's not like they're not "nice people" either.. Though some of them get pretty unfriendly when I make a Hitlery quip. And they trot out the 'inquisition' as soon as you utter the word 'islam'.

I never hear anyone - not even the most crazy liberal - start a conversation about islam and the benefits of it for our civilization.

So somewhere deep down inside these fools must KNOW what islam is really all about.

Oh yeah.. we live in a BLUE state! God help us all and I am not talking about Baallah...

Posted by: Allahfanculo at June 3, 2007 1:03 AM

What adela has written in her post is what happens to us over here. After every attack, the government sends troops to guard the mosques and protect the muslim areas. Everyone is afraid of a "backlash".
Posted by: arjun.sevak

Yep.. they are collecting money in German churches to aid in the construction of mosks...

just when you thought the dhimmitude couldn't possibly get any worse!

Posted by: Allahfanculo at June 3, 2007 1:16 AM

Last comments are straight to the point. US will probably defend democracy and there's nothing wrong with democracy. It's great. When you're alive and follow the rules.

But this enemy will use democracy as a shield because they don't give a sh*t about it. They use tolerance of Judeo-Christian tradition as our weakness. They *know* US will protect "moderate muslims" and their community will grow and grow and produce more and more "radicals". FBI will burn trying to arrest all of them, but you can't stop snakes when their nest is growing in safety.

Then, one day, small "group of men" will succeed in blowing up JFK or something. Americans will finally run wild and try to defend their selves. But US security forces will defend *democracy* (i.e. "moderate" muslims) and you will look with disbelief your own state defending your enemies and arresting your people and friends... I saw that in Bosnia and Kosovo.

Don't get me wrong - there is nothing wrong with democracy. Democracy is great. When you love freedom, when you love life. But democracy is not for everyone, not for people who don't like freedom and don't like life. One has to be "democratic person" to participate in democratic society. Islam is completely opposite to democracy and you can't expect muslims to accept our values.

Posted by: LazarOfSerbia at June 3, 2007 6:37 AM

Jobs Americans don't want to do.

PMK [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 2, 2007 5:48 PM

MZ [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 2, 2007 6:50 PM

I am glad you got this down from the commentariat.

Now we can add airport cargo worker to the jobs Americans don't want to do.

Maybe they should ask airline passengers to come down and watch the cargo and baggage screening for their flight. Maybe some of the same pundits on TV might be filmed checking baggage on their own flights.

Men's median wages are the same as in 1973.

Statistics sources and links at

A Nation of Lou Dobbs Democrats

Posted by: Old Atlantic at June 3, 2007 8:55 AM

Allahfanculo, LazarOfSerbia,
We are all thinking alike. And it is true. In 2002, our own boys fired at us in Gujarat when the Hindu "backlash" was happening. Last year at the Mumbai blasts, almost all of the wounded were rushed to the hospitals by people since the guv'mint sent the ambulances along with the police parties to protect the mosques. And the policemen who fired at the muslim mob running wild in Hyderabad after a IED they were making in the mecca masjid went off, were transferred. The muslim orgs here said that they should have used batons and tear gas instead of bullets, but Yours Truly is of the opinion that they would have been dead had they (2 in no.) tried to use batons on a crowd of hundreds of muslims. We are going down.

Posted by: arjun.sevak at June 3, 2007 10:21 AM

So while bombing a residential neighborhood devoid of military value, just out of revenge, would be considered a war crime, bombing a residential neighborhood that is chock-full of enemy weapons factories, command-and-control centers, and anti-aircraft missile emplacements, would not be.

Steven L.,

You illustrate my point exactly. We are not being attacked by military. We are being attacked by civilians. Why must WE limit our attacks to military targets when the enemy does not? Just suppose this plot against JFK had succeeded. Mecca has no military worth but it does have strategic worth. Is bombing it in retaliation a war crime or not? If it is a war crime then that shows our dilemma.

Both sides are playing by different rules. The jihadists hold the stronger hand. They can pick and choose their targets. (What military worth was there in the WTC?) We can't pick and choose ours. We have to follow laws that they are not bound by. Unless we are willing to change those rules then we WILL lose.

Posted by: PMK at June 3, 2007 11:13 AM

"Most of these people have great jobs.. are well-paid or independently wealthy.. I wonder I wonder HOW on Earth does such braindeadness attract this good fortune for these folks?"

Allahfanculo,

Simple. Their parents were the ones with the brains and the wherewithal to make something of themselves. These brain dead inherited their wealth or their companies (like the publisher of the NY Times or the owners of the WSJ) or they have the right political connections to get cushy jobs. Theirs is a dependent mentality, but it's camouflaged by the limousines and fine restaurants and hoity-toity parties. Strip them of their wealth and see how child-like they become.

Posted by: PMK at June 3, 2007 11:37 AM

"Everyone is afraid of a "backlash".

Posted by: arjun.sevak"

...perhaps a backlash is needed, a severe backlash....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at June 3, 2007 12:52 PM

It never happened so I doubt people will take it seriously and soon it will be forgotton no doubt.

Posted by: jesusisthelamb at June 3, 2007 2:08 PM

"One of the most chilling imaginable"?
While I don't want to diminish the seriousness of this would-be plot...if they think that was "one of the most chilling imaginable, they're in for one helluva rude shock in the future.
sad

Posted by: jcom972 at June 3, 2007 7:41 PM

JSobieski said

CNN did not mention the words Islam, Muslim, or Immam in that 60 minute period.

I was away on vacation, and had to rely on AM radio news headlines. Not a word about Islam or Muslims, either. Didn't give the suspects names (Kareem and Abdul). They did go out of their way to name the nationality of the suspects (Trinidad and Guyana), as if that would give us some insight into their motivation. They felt that that was relevant information.

I had to wait to get home to read JW/DW to confirm my suspicions.

Still waiting for the Cho manifesto to be released.

Posted by: special_guest at June 3, 2007 11:52 PM

Whereever Islam rears its ugly head bloodshed and mayhem will follow. It should be eradicated, no quarter given.

Posted by: hemoglobin at June 4, 2007 6:18 AM

special...heck, the NYslimes put the jfk attack plot on page 37 of their Sunday edition...everyone else had it page 1, so CNN isn't a surprise either, since they're both in the same boat.
(and they wonder why their circulation's tanked, lol)

More examples of how that age-old enemy, and absolute opposite, of common sense:
political correctness
...is killing us, just as badly as the terrorists.
Birds of a feather, ya know

Posted by: jcom972 at June 5, 2007 1:54 AM