Like the Media keeps telling us ...I'm sure it was not religiously inspired.

Posted by: MoBlows at June 3, 2007 5:47 PM

These are the kind of people who should be invited to settle in our country. They would make good citizens and sppreciate the freedoms our country offers, plus no Muslim appologists would pull the wool over their eyes about the "peaceful religion" of Islam.

But, of course, our screwball government will continue to import those who would destroy us, given half a chance.

Posted by: rational at June 3, 2007 5:59 PM

you see how brave these pious muslim show themselves by attacking and killing unarmed civilians. such as their cult reveals itself to attrack on cowards need apply. but of course muslim appologist will blame it on the Americans made them do it. yeah sure. no strong man to stop this madness. you need a mad murderous man to control islam, but l vote for outright destruction of islamaic terrorists.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at June 3, 2007 6:05 PM

This persecution and murder belies the oft repeated verse "there is no coercion in religion". The victims here were not even given the chance to be dhimmis.
The contradictory messages in Islamic doctrine, where phrases of tolerance are mixed with, and often abrogated by, calls for killing and domination have a net poisonous effect on the faithful. It's obvious that the subtle distinctions between dhimmitude and being killed in a jihad, and whether the jihad is offensive or defensive, etc, are totally lost on John Q. Muslim, who just takes it all as a license to kill. Mayhem results.

Posted by: jewdog at June 3, 2007 7:19 PM

Iraq's Christian minority called on the country's beleaguered government to protect their community from attacks by Al-Qaeda-inspired Muslim extremists.

Therein, lies the problem; there are no "muslim extremists."

The murderers were following mohammad's instructions left in the quran; the last time I visited a Catholic Church, the priest told his congragation that they and the muslims worship the same god -- only difference according to the priest who claimed to be an expert in such matters, is that the muslims refer to God as allah.

I wonder if that priest ever changed his tune? Judging from many Catholics that I talk to, I think not.

Posted by: witness at June 3, 2007 7:23 PM

Witness,

Here's an article that you might find interesting:

http://www.saworship.com/article-page.php?ID=3654&Page=youth.php

It starts out:

"Many times in the last few months we have heard it said that Christians and Muslims pray to the same God. We pray to Jesus, Muslims pray to Allah. It’s all the same, or so we are told. I heard about a deacon who prayed, 'Lord, Yahweh, Allah, or by whatever name you are called, God.'"

Cheers,

http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com

Posted by: Doctor Bulldog at June 3, 2007 8:10 PM

The "impressive" and "brilliant" (first in his class in military school in Australia) Lt. Col. David Kilcullen should be asked a number of questions about his all-purpose, fits-one-size (after a little softening of the boots-on-the-ground leather) "rules of counterinsurgency" that were presumably derived from studies of the insurrection in Malaya, or that in Greece. In Greece, in East Timor, in Kenya, in Malaya, he should explain who played the role of the Sunnis, or rather of the two main Sunni groups, which yesterday collaborated with each other, which today are apparently at daggers drawn, which tomorrow might yet collaborate against the Shi'a, and which in any case are, all of them, against the Infidel Americans (though the "Anbar tribes" of which we hear so much are happy to pocket American aid), in those "insurgencies." And he might tell us who played the role of the Shi'a, or rather of the different groups of Shi'a, of Moqtada al-Sadr, and of Hakim of SCIRI, and Maliki of the Da'wa Party. And he then might tell us who, in Greece or Malaya or Aden or Kenya or East Timor or wherever it is that provides him with the "data" for his "counterinsurgency" ideas, played the role of the Kurds, though Muslim more grateful and reliable for American purposes than any of the Arab groups.

And then one might ask Lt. Col. David Kilcullen, strine accent and for all I know Breaker-Morant hat, and trailing that academic record, all enough to make Condoleeza Rice listen raptly and not think to think about the matter deeply herself, if he sees anything that might distinguish the case of Iraq from the supposedly universal application of those "counterinsurgency" "laws" and and "lessons." For example, does the existence of Shi'a Iran, on the longest border with Iraq, on one side, and of states dominated by or largely peopled by Sunni Arabs on the other (Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, the U.A.E., Egypt, even Syria which is 70% Sunni though the Alawites are not, and Sunni Muslims, and most Shi'a, do not regard them even as real Muslims given their cult of Mary), and the ability of both sides to aid their c-religionists, and also feel keenly the need to do so -- does that not give Lt. Col. David Kilcullen and those impressed with him pause?

Do they not see beyond Iraq to a larger war, a war not with what Lt. Col. David Kilcullen has described as "a kook in a room" who we must prevent from having mass appeal (hint: Jihad already has, and always will have, "mass appeal" to Muslims. Further hint: Bin Laden is not a "kook"; Khomeini was not a "kook"; Nasrallah is not a "kook"; the leaders of the Ikhwan, wherever the Ikhwan has its many cells, are not "kooks" -- they are perfectly traditional Muslims, who choose to act on the central duty of Jihad by direct participation, rather than offering other kinds of support, such as promoting Da'wa in the Western world, or buying up Westen hirelings, or merely contributing their mite to demographic conquest and a slow undoing of Infidel legal and political institutions. Final hint: the enemy is Jihad, or more bluntly, the Belief-System that Lt. Col. David Kilcullen self-assuredly think she knows quite enough of, when he knows dangerously little. And that little, that ignorance of Islam, and of the ethnic and sectarian fissures in Iraq, explain the fiasco to date.

Final question: who in all those other "insurgencies" from which the Kilcullens of this world, and those impressed by them, draw their "laws" instead of seeing steadily and whole the complete picture (the picture in which Iraq is only a minor part, a place where Americans should desire a result that justifies the colossal investment, that is a result that will guarantee further divisions and demoralizations withjn Islam), who in Malaya and Greece, , played the role of the Chaldeans, and the Assyrians, the people who along with the Mandeans and Yazidis, are all either fleeing or have fled, or are being persecuted and subject to forced conversion, or killed, because where not the one insurgency but the half-dozen various insurgencies, consist of Muslims, it is the non-Musljms who pay now that the Despot's Misrule -- the Despot who had nothing to fear from the Christians, and found some of them (the household staff, Tariq Aziz) useful because they would not dare, having no independent base of their own, to cross him. chaos.

The "Iraqi people" do not exist. People in Iraq, however, do. And one would like some indication of how Iraq conforms to, or shows up the silliness of, those "general rules of counterinsurgency."

And finally, what do they know of warfare who only warfare know? The war of self-defense against Islam is not primarily a military matter at this point, as long as WMD is kept out of Muslim hands. It is much more a pedagogic matter, of educating the Infidels so that they can recognize, and then do something to thwart, the three main inistruments of Jihad: the Money Weapon, campaigns of Da'wa, and demographic conquest.

About those, the outcome in Iraq will nave little effect -- except insofar as the spectacle of continued intra-Muslim violence will, as in Gaza (or as in Tripoli, Lebanon) cause Infidels to correctly identify violence and aggression and chaos with Islam, and that will open eyes that need to be opened lest the sleep-walking in Western Europe continue right over the edge.

Lt. Col David Kilcullen, and all those who seem to think that the "mission" as declared or semi-declared makes sense, have to consider the larger context, the larger reality. And that reality includes, of course, public opinion. The public will not accept a presence much longer in Iraq. Many will not accept it for the wrong reasons. But many, a growing number, who have learned about Islam, about Jihad-conquest, and have come to recognize the folly of the Bush policy in Tarbaby Iraq, are eager for withdrawal for all the right reasons -- to divide and demoralize, and to use up resources, within the Camp of Islam.

Surely there are those in the military who agree with that. Surely they should make their views known.

Posted by: Hugh at June 3, 2007 8:32 PM

This should be a wakeup call to the remaining Christians in Iraq to call it quits with Iraq and go westwards, to America, Canada, Austriala or down under.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at June 3, 2007 8:48 PM

Goons. Every day, multiple stories of goon behavior. Am I crazy, or does the amount of Islamic goonage rise day by day?

And now stories that we are going to accept 7,000 Iraqi refugees.

I say only if they are any faith other than Muslim.

Good day to you all!

Posted by: Stand fast in the liberty at June 3, 2007 9:02 PM

Are females really that dumb?

End Womens Suffrage:

http://sheikyermami.com/2007/06/04/are-females-really-that-dumb/

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at June 3, 2007 9:06 PM

I have yet to hear Bush or Rice or any member of Bush's clique say one word about the persecution of Christians in Iraq or the rest of the stinking islamic world. Not one word! They're so worried about the savage muslims, so worried that they are dumping 7000 more of them in America to breed and seethe and multiply. It is criminal for our own government to import our sworn enemies and then support them with our tax dollars, but to keep them together in huge groups is like planting an enemy army on our own soil!

We have squandered enough money on Iraq and Iraqis in Iraq. It is inexcusable to bring thousands more hostile, bellicose savages to America for the FBI to monitor and for the NSA to eavesdrop on. Every additional muslim that comes here is one more potential jihadist, one more radical fanatic. As if we didn't have enough.

Why can't we help the real refugees, the peaceful, decent ones who would be assets instead of liabilities, the poor, beleaguered Christians? Bush calls himself a Christian yet turns a deaf ear and a blind eye to the Christian suffering at the hands of savage, primitive muslims. I wish whoever advises Bush on islamic issues would retire, drop dead, or get a new job. Then maybe he would listen to somebody who knows the score.

Posted by: Susanp at June 3, 2007 10:34 PM

We ought to be kind and courteous toward the beliefs of others and it behooves us to give others room to practice their faith even as we seek room to practice ours. We can live together, work together, talk together and sometimes we can be very close friends. We can pray for our Muslim friends, and if they pray for us, we can receive it as an act of kindness on their part. It’s not impossible for people from widely different backgrounds to get to know each other and to have close personal relationships.

Well, it will be interesting to see how this plays out in practical terms when the room we vouchsafe for others to practice their religon, means that they can saw off out noggins as part of their divine mandate.

In that case, we literally can not live together since one party to this arrangement will be dead.

The close personal relationship is delusional since the quaran expressly forbids such relationships with Christians and Jews.

In all due respect to these well meaning folks, Doctor Bulldog, I think we should advise them of certain realities; although I suspect that we will be met with harsh criticism and accuse of hate.

But neither of us, wrote the quaran from which all evils flow.

Indeed, it was an interesting article; and a disturbing one at that, on various levels.

Posted by: witness at June 3, 2007 10:40 PM

Mustafa Akyol is a young Turkish self-descrbied "Muslim reformer" who has impressed a number of those Americans who write on the subject of Islam, includingDinesh D'Souza, who finds Akyol's transparent appeal to the "shared family values" of "traditional Muslims" such as himself (a defender of the Erdogan regime, Akyol welcomes rather than deplores the new power of organized Islam in Turkey) entirely appealing.

He described the early Muslims as being well-disposed to Christians, implying that something happened -- no doubt some behavior by the Christians -- to curdle the natural milk of Muslim kindness. In other words, Akyol simply ignores the textual evidence in the Qur'an, the Hadith, and the sira, and apparently thinks his Infidel readers will do the same.

Not forever they won't.

Posted by: Hugh at June 3, 2007 10:53 PM

Witness,

Good points. I'm glad you found the article as interesting as I did.

For the author to say that Christians should, "give others room to practice their faith," is tantamount to advocating "religiocide" as long as Islam considers the People of the Book to be infidels that must be converted, taxed, or killed.

Needless to say, the Christian leadership, in its ignorance of the Qur'an and Sharia Law, is just not getting the big picture. And, as such, is leading its flock blindly into the slaughterhouse.

Cheers,

http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com

Posted by: Doctor Bulldog at June 3, 2007 11:12 PM

I remember a picture of the Pope (JP II) kissing the Koran. I also remember attending a Catholic service (I'm Evangelical) a priest said to his congregation... "All good faithful Muslims will go to heaven". No matter how many times the Catholics offer an olive branch to Muslims...There will be more Catholics and Christians killed in the name of Islam. Islam is not compatible with any Christian denomination or western society. The proof is in TROP.

Posted by: The Resistance at June 3, 2007 11:30 PM

What will Rome do about this?

Probably just what it has been doing: nothing.

Elias Alucard, as a self-proclaimed Assyrian Catholic, what do you think of the Vatican's policies toward Islam (as opposed to the Church's as a whole)?

To those of you who express dismay about such statements as "all good Muslims will go to Heaven" and "Christians and Muslims pray to the same God," let me tell you that, as a Catholic, I share your dismay.

This is just another sign that Roman Catholicism is becoming as morally and spiritually irrelevant as mainline/liberal Protestantism (though mainline/liberal Protestantism has already reached the "status" that Catholicism is rapidly slipping towards).

Pope Benedict XVI had been described as "God's rotweiler." So far, his Regensburg remarks not withstanding, he seems more like "God's poodle." He knows well the problems within the Church, yet he fails to take forceful action, relying instead on subtlety and gradualism. Well, by the time his "subtlety" and "gradualism" win the day, minarets will surround St. Peter's.

Posted by: Joseph D'Hippolito at June 4, 2007 1:21 AM

The Assyrians have been in Iraq for a very long time, they were there before Arabs existed, and about 2000 years prior to Mohamed's founding of Islam. The second Assyrian Empire of Tiglat-Pileser and his successors, with equally exotic names such as Ashurnazirpal II, Shalmeneser III and Sargon II, created a state based on war, invasion, and conquest. The civilized world of Mesopotamia had never seen anything quite like them. They were entirely focused and ruthlessly aggressive in subjugating their enemies. In the words of Professor Ian Morris of Stanford University, "The Romans would have loved them." Sometimes, when I listen to the pronouncements of the current candidates, I wish an Assyrian were running for president; how about President Ashurbanipal.

Posted by: Alek at June 4, 2007 3:23 AM

Are females really that dumb?

End Womens Suffrage:

sheik yer'mami,

They're not dumb yet, but with a school and parents like their's, they're well on their way to being dumb.

What this school did was glorify the subjugation of Females. Where the hell is the National Organization of Women?

They could have told these impressionable young girls that in Saudi Arabia if they took their hajibs off they'd be severly beaten.

Posted by: rational at June 4, 2007 4:06 AM

Islamic militants are not being controlled by their fellow Muslims.

Because they both serve the ultimate aim of this 'religion': global dominance.

Once this grim goal is viscerally understood in the West, the reversal of our blind invitation to these potential suicide bombers, and worse, shall begin.

And Mohammedans will be encouraged to go home and fix the 'faith' before we dare consider a second invite.

We don't need an alien religious war in our midst.

Time for a Big Hadj to fix Islam.

Or it'll be the Big Boot in the Rear.

Posted by: profitsbeard at June 4, 2007 10:51 AM

"No Jesus, No God
Know Jesus, Know God." From the article.

Exactly.

Unfortunately, some Catholic Christian leaders have been brainwashed by, or become complicit in, this multi-cultural revolution. But the primary problem remains: the multi-cultural revolution.

Like what was said on this thread:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/016720.php

If you want to teach people about different cultures, don't just teach them the good, but the ugly as well. People blaspheme when they say God is the same god in all religions, and the "enlightened humanists" in positions of influence wouldn't like to have it any other way. They want to “enlighten” us too, you know?

If you want to know about Mr. Perfect, I know of a Catholic site that’s great, but I can’t remember where it is now. It was written right after 9-11.

Posted by: ofcourse at June 4, 2007 4:48 PM

ELIAS ELUCARD.....

I am in the planning stages of something i think you may be able to offer some insight into (no not of jihad nature.)if you feel you might would like to add something to it notify me at...

laserguard2000-myblog@yahoo.com

If nothing else i would at least like to talk to you.

At some point something has to be done about this persecution of people by muslims other than others reporting that it happens.

In fact what happens today with the mere reporting of these things is just another generational bag of hot air,nothing will come of just talk.

If you think you may be interested e-mail me.

I'm not promising anything.

Posted by: Dar al-harb at June 4, 2007 6:33 PM

On the same theme of my last post:
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21829746-5007146,00.html

"There are our prominent Leftists - ABC host Phillip Adams, propagandist John Pilger, columnist Jill Singer, Islamist Keysar Trad - who've invited Venezuelan strongman Hugo Chavez to visit and "inspire" us. That is, when he's not too busy closing down TV stations that criticise him, rigging laws to stay in power and calling George Bush a "devil"."

Posted by: ofcourse at June 4, 2007 7:14 PM