Gag.

Posted by: Know Your Enemy at June 4, 2007 2:22 PM

"The actions of a few should not influence perceptions about Islam and Muslims, the majority of whom are peace loving, responsible citizens across the world"

Then, I wonder why jihad is heating up everywhere. It's news everyday of the week. I must not understand what "a few" is.

Posted by: sounder at June 4, 2007 2:27 PM

"Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz on Monday said attempts to equate Islam with terrorism must be rejected, as Islam offers the message of humanity, egalitarianism, moderation, tolerance and coexistence."

I'm more persuaded by what I see in front of my face. Isn't it ironic that the same vehicle which is used to promote jihad throughout our world (the internet) is the same one that provides evidence, day in and day out, that the prime minister is a big fat liar?!

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at June 4, 2007 2:36 PM

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Don't be affraid......come to our side...step into the light and the peace of Islam. All this talk of Jihad is the making of that evil Bush. They take the true message of Muhammad out of context. Not caring of the sensitivity of gentle Muslim.

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That should do it for awhile. ...........stupid kaffir

Posted by: Abrog8 at June 4, 2007 2:36 PM

Can we equate it with Violence against non Muslims? cause there is planty of proof . Can we equate with disgusting human rights violations ( Sharia )it's built right into the faith. can we ....

wait a minute , why can't we Equate it with terrorism when the Prophit and Founder himself was a violent murdering Rapist and sadist who preached domination and submission of all other faiths and preached to kill anyone who resists?

That IS Terrorism.

Posted by: MoBlows at June 4, 2007 2:39 PM

I, for one, am not forgetting the contributions of muslims to the sciences..medicine..physics..rocket trajectory and nuclear plagerism. Why do we in the west have such negative ideas about people who have carried us forward leaps and bounds in the arts? Only 500 million or so troublemakers can ruin the reputation of the remainder..how sad.

Posted by: pismopal at June 4, 2007 2:39 PM

And the remainder is?

a few dozen i'd guess

Posted by: MoBlows at June 4, 2007 2:41 PM

Since the IRA has stopped terrorist attacks, I only know of one non-Muslim group involved in terrorism and that's the Basques and I'm not sure when they last did anything.

The point that this pinhead doesn't get is that Muslims are commiting terrorism all of the world as the have for 1400 years and that we are on to him. Nothing new here in any way.

As Muslims feel they are under attack, I would like to propose that we put fact behind their paranoia. Oh that the Pope would call for a crusade!!!

I saw that once again, Monkeyboy - chief of Iran, is saying that Israel, may God bless them, will be destroyed. I don't think logic or clear thought are parts of the Islamic mind.

Oh well, I'm rambling now.

Peace out and stop Islam.

Karl

Posted by: schwaben at June 4, 2007 2:42 PM

Since the IRA has stopped terrorist attacks, I only know of one non-Muslim group involved in terrorism and that's the Basques and I'm not sure when they last did anything.

The point that this pinhead doesn't get is that Muslims are commiting terrorism all of the world as the have for 1400 years and that we are on to him. Nothing new here in any way.

As Muslims feel they are under attack, I would like to propose that we put fact behind their paranoia. Oh that the Pope would call for a crusade!!!

I saw that once again, Monkeyboy - chief of Iran, is saying that Israel, may God bless them, will be destroyed. I don't think logic or clear thought are parts of the Islamic mind.

Oh well, I'm rambling now.

Peace out and stop Islam.

Karl

Posted by: schwaben at June 4, 2007 2:44 PM

Kinda hard to put the genie back in the bottle, don't you think?

Posted by: Moose at June 4, 2007 2:49 PM

The connection between drinking 20 beers a day and being a lard ass needs to be rejected as well.

Posted by: KAOSKTRL at June 4, 2007 2:54 PM

Islam offers the message of humanity, egalitarianism, moderation, tolerance and coexistence.

Huh?

Posted by: Joe Schmoe USA at June 4, 2007 2:55 PM

Islam offers the message of humanity, egalitarianism, moderation, tolerance and coexistence.

Huh?

Posted by: Joe Schmoe USA at June 4, 2007 2:57 PM

Greattttttttttttt!!!!!!!

Then I guess they're so peacefull and loving that I can walk down the streets of Mecca and wear my big cross outside my shirt.

Only Goobers that have no knowledge of the world or history can believe that.

Posted by: Mekoots at June 4, 2007 3:04 PM

The only "Phobia " in regards to Islam that i see and hear and see and hear is the PHOBIA Islam has against anything not Islamic. if it's so peaceful why is it that Islam is at odds with just about everyone and with each other ? Why is Every Islamic Nation at odds or at war with their neighbours , even other Islamic nations? where is this Brotherhood we keep hearing about? ask the Thai's ask the Insians, ask the Assyrians, ask anyone who does not live in a Democracy and who lives near or next to an Islamic nation just how peaceful and tolerant Islam is.

These people have all the nerve in the world and take no responsibility for any of it.

Posted by: MoBlows at June 4, 2007 3:06 PM

Oh, please. We've read the Koran! Islam offers ONLY Terrorism.

It's incredible these Muslims think we can't read!

Posted by: darcy at June 4, 2007 3:07 PM

Or what? They'll kill us?

Got back to Mecca and peddle your twaddle there.

Posted by: profitsbeard at June 4, 2007 3:09 PM

Oh, please. We've read the Koran! Islam offers ONLY Terrorism.

It's incredible these Muslims think we can't read!

Posted by: darcy at June 4, 2007 3:11 PM

"If they would stop equating Islam and terrorism, non-Muslims would stop making the association also."

What a load of bullsh*t.

We "non-Muslims" make this HIGHLY rational association because Muslims by and large commit 99.9% of all violent acts worldwide. Dumbass with blinders on - how typical. I must also emphasize that they do it in the name of a myth named "Allah".

Faith without proof is childish delusion...excuse me while I cut your head off for tooth fairy!

Posted by: Quantum Infidel at June 4, 2007 3:11 PM

Loved your "Kinda hard to put the genie back in the bottle, don't you think," Moose!

Posted by: darcy at June 4, 2007 3:16 PM

Attack and kill the infadel ware every you find them. Sounds like terrorists to me.

Posted by: Ruebacca at June 4, 2007 3:20 PM

I wish I were the one he was talking to so I could say, "Sorry Chuck, you haven't convinced me that islam is peaceful - by your their own actions, and the readings of the koran, the hadiths and by your prophet mohammed's own words and actions. When muslims stop slaughtering people's around this globe, and when muslims start treating murderers, rapists, torturers and enslavers as 'good, little jihadists' then I will believe you. Until then, I am signing off as a proud Islamophobe!"

Posted by: R_not at June 4, 2007 3:21 PM

Any Muslim who spews this nonesense it NOT moderate! they are an accomplice.

Posted by: MoBlows at June 4, 2007 3:22 PM

darcy, they know that 99.9% of the people usually don't read the koran, the hadiths, etc. That is what they are counting on - the past stupidity of the people they have started infiltrating.

They have the internet and use it as a weapon, but I think of it this way - we have the internet and use it as a tool to spread what we know of islam and its filthy lies.

Posted by: R_not at June 4, 2007 3:24 PM

MoBLows, go check out Hugh Fitzgerald's archive postings and you will find some articles on 'moderate' muslims. Very interesting indeed. It was what I was starting to think about those masses of 'moderates' that do absolutely nothing to stop the radicals within their communities. And the writings by mohammed that tell the ones who don't actively fight, to support the jihadists in other ways - eg: money, food, etc. make sense.

Posted by: R_not at June 4, 2007 3:28 PM

The Paki PM echoes the lies of Big Brother:

"War is Peace." "Freedom is Slavery." "Ignorance is Strength."

Amazing how similar Islam is to "1984."

Posted by: darcy at June 4, 2007 3:31 PM

Right, "R_not." Which is why on Dhimmi message boards I always say, "Read the Koran, why don't you, and see for yourself?"

Posted by: darcy at June 4, 2007 3:34 PM

This seems to be a double-edge sword.

If they would stop equating Islam and terrorism, non-Muslims would stop making the association also.

Any group, even of Jewish or Christian beliefs cannot curtail what the members of that group do. And if a member of a particular group does something despicable, why should the entire group suffer the consequences?

Unfortunately, I think the majority of the minorities are making headlines for the Islamic people, which gives the impression that "all" Muslims or followers of Islam are radicals wanting to kill us, the so-called "infidels".

The logic seems to be missing because if this was the case, then all of us would have been wiped out ages ago, unless the Muslims have not yet figured out how to kill us all.

Paul

Posted by: paul_benheimer at June 4, 2007 3:39 PM

darcy, when I write to the congress people, president, governor, UC president, etc - I plead with them to crack open a (Medina version - the version they read) koran and start finding out that this is a book on battle tactics against us. Do they do what I ask? I have no idea - I can only hope.

Posted by: R_not at June 4, 2007 3:40 PM

As long as muslims say death to infidels, death to israel , death to america, they will always be viewed as terrorists.

Posted by: callmeinfidel at June 4, 2007 3:42 PM

As long as muslims say death to infidels, death to israel , death to america, they will always be viewed as terrorists.

Posted by: callmeinfidel at June 4, 2007 3:43 PM

As long as muslims say death to infidels, death to israel , death to america, they will always be viewed as terrorists.

Posted by: callmeinfidel at June 4, 2007 3:43 PM

Shaukat Aziz,

If you think that only a few extremists are commiting acts of terror, then I have a bridge in Broklyn, NYC to sell you.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at June 4, 2007 3:49 PM

Some more lie's.
How can anyone take him seriously when his god Allah declares himself a terrorist. Quran 8:12 I shall terrorise the infidel's...yep that's Allah ok.
One of the gods/demons of the lower Qlippoth, a terrorist by heart and actions. His god is a liar, his Prophet a prevaricater, Their book, a book of lie's. Yes indeed, evil in sheep's clothing will mislead many. That's Allah wrapped in Islam.
Spokespersons...like Aziz are telling the truth, but the truth has been contaminated by evil, so in reality, the truth is not in him...

Posted by: duh_swami at June 4, 2007 3:51 PM

paul_benheimer, read some of Hugh's archived articles on 'moderates'.

And they have expanded and then been driven back several times during the past 1400 years. The middle east was full of Christians, pagans, Jews that all lived together rather peacefully until Mohammed came around. Then there was a time when even Mohammed realized that killing all infidels was stupid because he could make them into a class of dhimmi with no rights, to pay high taxes to support the muslims as they wanted to be supported and to be their workforce and donkeys to kick around and kill and abuse.

The current radicalism might have started earlier, but it was in the early 1900s and the muslim brotherhood, along with alliances with the nazis at one point, communists at other points, got a good grip and especially when Saudi Arabia took the leaders in and let them become imams. the Saudis are now helping to spread the radical wahabbi teachings. There are websites that go on about this. I have to go now, but do some searches and you will find that the goal of muslims is to bring sharia law around the world. And it seems that we are in one of those times where muslims are trying to expand. And it starts with a few who look to be very peaceful, and they grow, etc.

Posted by: R_not at June 4, 2007 3:52 PM

I can't believe the temerity of Muslims like Mr. Aziz. Does he think we're all stupid?

These aren't the Little Sisters of the Poor flying planes into buildings, and blowing up people in subways, Mr. Aziz, they're Muslims.

It's Islam, sir! Period.

Posted by: rational at June 4, 2007 4:01 PM

R_not - Is there a Koran available that's only Medina verses?

My paperback Koran is published by Bantam, a division of Random House, Sept. 2004. That "no compulsion in religion" verse is in it so I know it's got both the Meccan and Medinan.

Is there a sole Medinan Koran available? If so, I want to get it.

Posted by: darcy at June 4, 2007 4:02 PM

Islam offers the message of humanity, egalitarianism, moderation, tolerance and coexistence.

Sure it does, to Muslims only, that is. Those dirty rotten kafirs can spin and rot. Pathetic BS.

Posted by: Proud Infidel at June 4, 2007 4:11 PM

Islam suffers from Infidelobia. Allah makes them suffer so.

Posted by: flowerknife_us at June 4, 2007 4:18 PM

OFF TOPIC!!!!

I have a trip to the lake planned at the end of the week. I'm looking for a good book to read. I found Roberts book (TTAM) to be very interesting as well as Mark Steyn(AA). I'll be hitting the current events section at B&N's in the next day or so to pick something up.

Any advice?

Otherwise I'll just take a "STAB" at something related to Islam, Mo, or Jihad.

Posted by: Abrog8 at June 4, 2007 4:22 PM

Hey R_not,

I'll definitely check up on the literatures, but I somehow find it difficult to believe that all Muslims or Islamists or whatever name they have wants to kill us all. I've read some of the verses of the Koran that OBL and the other extremists use, only to find that the verse preceeding or coming after speaks of forgiveness, somewhat contradicting the essence of violence.

I just fail to see why people hate, but to hate for no reason is beyond comprehension.

Does anyone here hate Muslims simply because they are Muslims? I hope not. Likewise, I would think it's horrible if a Muslim is to hate me simply because I'm not a Muslim. I would tend to think that individual is a very strange person, probably a racist too.

Paul

Posted by: paul_benheimer at June 4, 2007 4:31 PM

"I can't believe the temerity of Muslims like Mr. Aziz. Does he think we're all stupid?"

Posted by: rational at June 4, 2007 4:01 PM

Yes they indeed think we are all stupid, or paralyzed, especially our politicians and the muslim liers certainly have enough proof of that I would say, so they continue to play on it. It has worked for 30 years or so.

Posted by: sounder at June 4, 2007 4:33 PM

Hipaul_benheimer:

Aside from the Koran, just listen and watch the message coming from muslims in their own words, like this message:

Dr. Ahmad Bahar (acting Speaker, Palestinian Legislative Council):
"This is Islam, that was ahead of its time with regards to human rights in the treatment of prisoners, but our people was afflicted by the cancerous lump, that is the Jews, in the heart of the Arab nation Be certain that America is on its way to disappear, America is wallowing [in blood] today in Iraq and Afghanistan, America is defeated and Israel is defeated, and was defeated in Lebanon and Palestine Make us victorious over the infidel people Allah, take hold of the Jews and their allies, Allah, take hold of the Americans and their allies Allah, count them and kill them to the last one and don't leave even one." [PA TV, April 20, 2007]

Leaves little to the imagination, don't you think?

Posted by: sounder at June 4, 2007 4:49 PM

Paul_b;
I suggest you start with the two books I listed above. Reference the Koran on-line. Couple that with often misleading spin on TV current events and you will soon put the picture together.

Keep your mind open and look closely at the MSM. Then use the Internet to find the story presented with a less PC spin.

I can predict your conclusion. As can most JW'rs.

Posted by: Abrog8 at June 4, 2007 4:52 PM

Pakistan:

Another ex-Gitmo Jihad-freak involved in attack on rival clan, but the same editorial also admits that radical Islam cannot be separated from Islam scriptures:

http://sheikyermami.com/2007/06/04/pakistan-daily-admits-that-radical-islam-is-supported-by-islamic-scriptures/

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at June 4, 2007 4:53 PM

People, I just came across on Amazon what looks like a fab book called, "Moon-o-theism: Religion of a War and Moon God Prophet," by Yoel Natan (2006). Paperback Volumes 1 & 2, $58.56, which I ordered.

"Moon-o-theism" LOL! You gotta love the title!

Yoel Natan is a Jewish Writer and Blogger, and he's for real. Know how I know? Because if you go to his BlogSpot - yoelnatanbooks.blogspot.com - you will see links to both JW and DW!

Thesis of books: Allah was a pre-Islamic South Arabian war-god and moon-god. Why? Because the "Prophet" was a war-and-moon-god-worshipper.

I'm always interested in this particular subject so I'm very excited about these books.

Posted by: darcy at June 4, 2007 4:54 PM

Pelayo sez: Attempts to equate Islam with a religion of peace must be rejected.

Posted by: Pelayo at June 4, 2007 5:04 PM

LONDON, Jun 4 (APP): Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz on Monday said attempts to equate Islam with terrorism must be rejected, as Islam offers the message of humanity, egalitarianism, moderation, tolerance and coexistence.

The problem with the prime mininster's assertion, is that prominent islamic clerics (who influence jihaddists) assert that the message of humanity, egalitarianism, moderation, tolerance, and coexistence is applies only for relationships between other muslims. The prime minister's assertion is no more than a matter of Kithman - a where muslims are encouraged to willfully deceive others about their faith.

Posted by: Triphammer at June 4, 2007 5:04 PM

It's the islamic No-Spin-Zone!!

NOT!!

Posted by: Allahfanculo at June 4, 2007 5:08 PM

With all the Islamic violence in the world today, just who should we associate with it?....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at June 4, 2007 5:25 PM

"Pakistani PM: Attempts to equate Islam with terrorism must be rejected"

LYING -- one of Islam's hallmarks. I would rather stick to the Truth.

Posted by: champ at June 4, 2007 5:28 PM

Oops, too late.
Humanity, egalitarianism, moderation, tolerance and coexistence. Oh, and Sharia law...

Posted by: eloivsdiablo at June 4, 2007 5:58 PM

Just by reading the comments posted on this website, it's hard to believe that you people actually have the nerve to call yourselves "Human Beings." I've never seen so much hate and prejudice before on the web.

You accuse Islam - my way of Life - of being a terrorist religion, but the Truth is, your hearts are filled with so much hate and prejudice that you WANT to hate Muslims. If any of you were to meet a Muslim, would you be able to tell them how you feel about Islam face to face? It's as if you hide behind the internet because you KNOW that your opinions would never be accepted by a sane society.

You say things like "Stop Islam" and that Muslims always lie, therefore they can't be trusted - I mean, seriously, what are you people trying to accomplish here? Just ask this question to yourself. Are you suggesting genocide? Do you want to place Muslims in concentration camps?

Islam is growing in the United States. My Mosque will soon be expanded into one of the largest Mosques and Islamic centers in the United States. I welcome all of you to visit our schools and places of worship and I encourage all of you to read Reza Aslan's book "No god but God". Greet a Muslim in public, attend an inter-faith event, attend a Muslim Student Association meeting - we're here, we're a part of the west too, and a lot of us have been helping the west understand us better.

You need to understand the difference between politics and religion. Muslms are the Abrahamic brotehrs and sisters of the Christians and Jews, and we're all Created by GOD. You cannot associate terrorism with Islam because the majority of Muslims are taught to Love and respect people of all faiths. My mother taught me this and raised me and my brother this way. There is antagonism towards the Israelis and American soldiers because the Palestinians have been oppressed and the Iraqis have been invaded, respectively. How can you expect someone NOT to fight back when the boot of oppression is stomped on his neck? The Palestinians were evicted from their homes and the Israeli occupation still continues to kill unjustly. I have Arab Christian friends who are even against what the Israeli occupation does as well as the war in Iraq. Just because a person doesn't support the war doesn't make him a terrorist or a traitor. You need to wipe that mentality out of your minds and you need to work towards understanding.

[2:62] Surely, those who believe, those who are Jewish, the Christians, and the Sabians; anyone who believes in GOD, and believes in the Last Day, and leads a righteous life, will receive their recompense from their Lord. They have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve.

[2:136] Say, "We believe in GOD, and in what was sent down to us, and in what was sent down to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, and the Patriarchs; and in what was given to Moses and Jesus, and all the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction among any of them. To Him alone we are submitters."

[17:70] “And verily We have bestowed honor on the children of Adam; provided them with transport on land and sea; given them for sustenance things good and pure; and conferred on them special favors, above a great part of Our creation."

[29:46] “And argue not with the People of the Book except in a way that is best, unless it be with those of them who do wrong, but say: ‘We believe in that which hath been revealed unto us and revealed unto you; our God and your God is One, and unto Him we submit."

May Allah bless you all (don't forget that Arabic speaking Christians also say the word "Allah", there's proof of this in the Arabic bible, so its important to keep this in mind when some of you slander the Beautiful name of Allah)

~JehanZeb~

Posted by: ~JehanZeb~ at June 4, 2007 6:04 PM

"LYING -- one of Islam's hallmarks. I would rather stick to the Truth."

If you want to stick to the Truth, then you shouldn't make false accusations of people, especially when you haven't even spoken to someone who follows the religion.

If you want to learn about Islam, then talk to people who truly follow it, not someone who slanders it.

Posted by: ~JehanZeb~ at June 4, 2007 6:07 PM

Lets post the 164 jihad verses for JehanZeb.

Lets post some of the uncounted hatespeeches by the fuming Islamic clerics who want to wipe out infidels and Jooozzz.

Lets post some of the beheading, suicide bomers and children indoctrination video's for jeahnzeb.

Then we can talk hatred.

Buy yourself a camel and discover the desert, you troll!

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at June 4, 2007 6:14 PM

Just those few extremists mis-understanding the love and peace of Islam -- but isn't it interesting that ALL OVER THE WORLD there are so many tiny groups of extremists who "misunderstand" Islam EXACTLY THE SAME WAY: "Kill the Unbelievers" "Death to the Infidels" "Smite them on the neck" ?

Wow, what an amazing coincidence!!!! or else, by Occam's Razor, it's no coincidence at all.

Aziz wants "acceptable phraseology that accurately captures the phenomena and does not single out any particular creed or community"? It's not possible. The "particular creed and community" are at the heart of terrorism as it now exists around the world. Undoubtedly, as terrorism proves successful, extremists of other flavors will copy these tactics, but for now the whole phenomenon belongs to Islam whether Aziz likes it or not.

Posted by: A_Nonny_Mouse at June 4, 2007 6:17 PM

Prime Minister Aziz said terrorism has no religion, colour, race or country. "We should reject stigmatization and combat the increased phenomena of Islamophobia".

...which exists all of and by itself in a vacuum.. as figment of the eternally 'racist' Western mind.

He said efforts to link terrorism with Islam reveal "ignorance or sinister motives and these attempts must be thwarted".

...and what if we REFUSE the "thwarting"? YOU do NOT come into OUR countries and open up yer big fat moslem YAP, bitch! WE are sending you billions and you have the nerve to give these kind of speeches??!!

Pakistan is the toilet of the world.. the absolute sewer of humanity.

VAmoose buddy!

Prime Minister Aziz, stressing the importance of avoiding intellectual flawed characterizations, said, "terms like Islamists, terrorism, Islamic militants, Jehadist ideology and Jehadists are wrong and insensitive".

HAHA! *insensitive*!! Bombing thousands of people and beheading hundreds more.. and setting them on fire.. THAT is *not* insensitive?

They are HURT by our words while they use sticks and stones. Yet we aren't supposed to have the gall to call the baby by its real name!!!

PUCK FIGSLAM!!!!!

Posted by: Allahfanculo at June 4, 2007 6:19 PM

Jehanzeb:

Islam is most certainly NOT a peaceful religion.

It's violent! It's malevolent!

How do I know?

I tried being a Muslim. I read the Quran and I was horrified. I copied down lots of passages.

Check these out, Jehanzeb:

Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: "Wipe the infidels out to the last."
--- Koran 8:7
I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and Mohammed.
--- Koran 8:12
And kill them wherever you find and catch them. Drive them out from where they have turned you out; for disbelief is worse than slaughter.
--- Koran 2:191
Truly, if the disbelievers stir up sedition, if the agitators in the City do not desist, We shall urge you to go against them and set you over them. Then they will not be able to stay as your neighbors for any length of time. They shall have a curse on them. Whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain without mercy—a fierce slaughter—murdered, a horrible murdering.
--- Koran 33:60
Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.
--- Koran 9:5
Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.
--- Koran 8:39
If you gain mastery over them in battle, inflict such a defeat as would terrorize them, so that they would learn a lesson and be warned.
--- Koran 8:57
The punishment for those who wage war against Allah and Mohammed and make mischief in the land, is to murder them, crucify them, or cut off a hand and foot on opposite sides...their doom is dreadful.
--- Koran 5:33
Believers, obey Allah, and obey Mohammed. Do not falter; become faint-hearted, or weak-kneed, crying for peace.
--- Koran 47:33
Allah is not bound by any contract or treaty with non-Muslims, nor is Mohammed.
--- Koran 9:3

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at June 4, 2007 6:23 PM

Sheik,

Your statements are filled with prejudice and hate. Look at my post and compare it with yours. Where do you see me making personal attacks?

Why do you think beheadings and suicide bombings take place? Those people are being invaded and just like American soldiers kill innocent civilians, so do the Iraqis. That's what a war is, isn't it? There are causalties on both sides. War also promotes separation and prejudice, which your comments provide a perfect example of.

"Buy yourself a camel and discover the desert, you troll" ??

Umm.... okay, so if I'm Muslim, that must associate me with camels and the desert, right? What religion do you practice sheik? Are you of the Abrahamic tradition where all the Prophets lived in the desert and rode on camels and donkeys? Not to mention, they spoke a Middle-Eastern language.

What verses are you talking about? The Qur'an is a message of peace and tolernace, and the message Muhammad received is the same message that was sent to other Prophets before him. If the Qur'an was so hateful, then you wouldn't have so many Muslims in the world right now. Just because someone believes in something that you don't, doesn't mean that they should be hated.

The real terror is in your heart, my friend.

Posted by: ~JehanZeb~ at June 4, 2007 6:24 PM

Just because someone believes in something that you don't, doesn't mean that they should be hated.

JehanZeb, this could be said about the radical muslims of the world that keep spouting hatred towards Israel and the west. You also said that religion and politics must be separated. The fact is, that muslims the world over are trying to assert sharia into the political systems. And the hatred for America was manifested looong before we invaded Iraq. The most recent spat with the shiite's started in 1979 when the embassy was invaded by the iranians.

So even though your mother did a good job of raising you in the peaceful aspects of islam, does not make islam a religion of peace and harmony.

Posted by: walterc at June 4, 2007 6:33 PM

JehanZeb:
"Just by reading the comments posted on this website, it's hard to believe that you people actually have the nerve to call yourselves "Human Beings." "

sounds like a personal attack to me,but all bullshit aside,what planet are you on dude? You think we dont see the hate in Islam,the way it has spread itself accross the world by 2 vehicles # 1 The sword # 2 deceit,there is no love and brotherhood with a religeon that murders murders murders effin murders ,show me different you cult zombie I chalenge you to show me different! until then like another poster said get a camel and discover the desert.

Posted by: tscipio at June 4, 2007 6:36 PM

Rabid Dogs

There was a time when dogs ruled the earth. Then, a strain of rabies started infecting the earth’s population, seemingly in a localized area and then spreading outward. Infected dogs began to attack and kill other dogs, innocent dogs, just going about their lives. You really couldn't tell the infected dogs from the normal dogs until they attacked.

The Intelligentsia Dogs rung their paws and wondered how these dogs had become rabidalized. They claimed only a small minority of dogs in the region was infected. Besides, they could not think of any way to stop the dog attacks.

The Governmental Dogs acted swiftly to declare war on rabid dog attacks but decided that dogs from the localized area were due no more scrutiny than dogs from areas that had low or no infection rates. This was to prove that the government would be fair and even handed with all dogs, so that no dog would feel threatened or persecuted.

The News Dogs assailed the general population with stories of uninfected dog’s improper attacks on rabid dogs, treatment of captured infected dogs and the death rate of the dog warriors fighting the rabid dogs. They also thought it great sport to give secrets away about the battle against the rabid dogs.

The Military Dogs determined that the battle against the rabid dogs must be carefully waged so that no innocent dogs would be injured or killed. Paw to paw combat was determined to be the proper way to wage war, assuming the rabid dogs would fight fair and not hide behind their bitches and pups.

The Average Citizen Dog was confused by all this-haven't we had outbreaks of rabid dogs in the past? Since there was no cure for rabies, past wars required the virtual annihilation of all the dogs and their families. Why are the uninfected dogs so blasé about mixing with dogs from infected areas? It would seem prudent to approach all dogs from the infected area as rabid. After all, you really can't tell if a dog is rabid until he attacks, can you?

Posted by: fightforfreedom at June 4, 2007 6:38 PM

JehanZeb,

Did you see the verses posted by Ynkedoodl2? They are from the Quran, and definitely do not preach anything resembling peace and tolerance, unless "peace & tolerance" mean something else in the Islamic world.

There are, as sheik pointed out some 164 jihad verses in there, and you have quoted 4 peaceful ones. I bet they were revealed early in Muhammad's career, and have probably be abrogated.

I think the best we can say about the Qur'an is that it's schizophrenic, preaching peace a couple of times, but then hate over and over. It's a fact those verses are in there. How do you explain them?

Where do these terrorists get the idea to behead people, even peaceful Buddhist schoolgirls and old shop keepers? Were they soldiers in a war? Did they invade any body else's country? How do you explain that?

Posted by: Mo Foe at June 4, 2007 6:38 PM

~JehanZeb~

First of all, you don't know whether or not I've ever spoken to someone who "follows the religion"; and secondly, I HAVE spoken to Muslim men who follow this religion, so I DO know what I am talking about.

FYI -- my husband and I owned a company that we sold about 8 months ago, and some of our ex-customers are Muslim.

Anyway, we asked two of our Muslim customers what they talk about in the Mosques. We said, "What do they say about America during these meetings?" And the Muslim laughed and said, "Oh, you don't want to know."

So we asked him what they say about Israel and the Jews, and we got the same answer, "You don't want to know!"

Very telling!!

So don't lecture me on who I know and who I don't know; and even if I had never had this converstion with a PRACTICING Muslim, the truth about how evil Islam is, is told everyday on the news by their acts of terrorism and threats of destruction to Israel/America.

And why are you addressing my comment? Why aren't you instead supporting this fight against terrorism and addressing these glaring crimes done in the name of allah, done by your so-called "peaceful" religion.

Take your apologetics for Islam elsewhere.

Posted by: champ at June 4, 2007 6:38 PM

Jehan,

you kidding or what? you have muslim heads of state calling for whole peoples to be wiped out. You have mass demonstrations calling for the death of entire countries. I'm sorry, I just don't see your point about the ROP thing. Just because there are many muslims doesn't mean it is because it's peaceful...just no one can leave it without fear of their head being removed. Do you think this site would exist if it weren't for the attrocities we see and hear around the globe. Just look at the earth from space and see where all the (larger) conflicts are occuring and you will notice that most involve muslims. why is that? is everyone oppressing muslims or is it just easier to condone the violence in the name of retribution? As for Iraq, well not much to say there if you think the US intentionally kills civilians and children and you don't see what your brothers in peace are doing daily. I have to laugh...what exactly is it about islam that makes you all so blind to the evil it produces? I just don't see how you could possbily be a muslim and try to defend the filth that is mohammed (pissbeuponhim of course).

Posted by: PissBeUponHim at June 4, 2007 6:42 PM

So Muslim crap doesn't stink. Tell it to the Buddhist teachers being murdered in Thailand.

Islam has a toxic side to its narrative and this is denied to such an extent that it is my position that Muslims for some reason are unable to engage in meaningful self criticism or reflection. This makes their cultures very dangerous and very reactive. It is like a person who thinks they can do no wrong. Jesus said that those who say that they do not sin, the truth is not in them.

While most Muslims are good people (most people are good when there is not a crisis) there appears to be a violent reactivity within Islamic culture that is unique.

Posted by: James Martel at June 4, 2007 6:44 PM

All Moslems are not terrorists, but all terrorists are Moslem.

Posted by: David England at June 4, 2007 6:50 PM

Jehab,

by the way, if you think this site is filled with hate, note the civil responses you are getting to try to reason with you. do yourself a favor and go on aljazeera and pretend your an infidel and see what responses you get. not a coherent response in the bunch; just the typical islamic hate. like someone else said above, try and sell the bloggers on aljazeera the whole ROP thing by "addressing these glaring crimes done in the name of allah". hey, you might actually see the light (truth)!

Posted by: PissBeUponHim at June 4, 2007 6:53 PM

Ynkedoodl2,

Peace to you. You said the following:

"Islam is most certainly NOT a peaceful religion. It's violent! It's malevolent!"

First of all, calm down. Remember that by saying this, you are not only making a judgement about a religion, but about an entire group of people. Do you think I'm a violent and malevolent person?

Those verses are horribly translated. And the Qur'an is not a book where you can simply pluck out verses and understand what they mean, because you need to read it in its ENTIRETY, which very few people actually do (especially the critics).

For example, Chapter 8:7 should be read in its fullness (including verses 8,9, and 10):

"Remember how God promised you (believers) that one of the two enemy groups would fall to you: you wanted the unarmed group to be yours, but it was God's will to establish the truth according to His word and to finish off the disbelievers to prove Truth to be true, and the false to be false, much as the guilty might dislike it. WHen you begged your Lord for help, He answered you, 'I will reinforce you with a thousand angels in succession.' God made this a message of Hope to reassure your hearts: Help comes only from God. He is Mighty and Wise."

These verses aren't directed to Christians, Jews, or anyone who disbelieves in God, this is directed towards the QURAYSH, the pagan Arabs who were PERSECUTING, EXECUTING, AND TORTURING the early Muslims. And this was before the Battle of Badr, when the Muslims had to defend themselves against the Quraysh.

I cannot believe you quote only a few lines of chapter 8, verse 39. Don't forget the verse after it either. Here is the CORRECT translation (I hope everyone is reading this, so that they know you're not citing the Qur'an correctly):

"Believers, fight them until there is no more persecution and all worsihp is devoted to God alone: if they desist, then God sees all that they do, but if they pay no heed, be sure that God is your protector, the best protector, and the best helper."

Where do you see death and murder in that verse now? Again, these were verses sent down to Muhammad, peace be upon him, during the time of battle. When the Muslims had prisoners, they were set free! No one was to kill unjustly.. as said in the Qur'an, anyone who kills an innocent being is like he has kiled ALL of humanity.

Here is the CORRECT translation for 47:33:

"Believers, obey God and the Messenger: do not let your deeds go to waste"

Umm, where do you get "become faint-hearted, or weak-kneed, crying for peace"?

This is how you cited Chapter 9, verse 3: "Allah is not bound by any contract or treaty with non-Muslims, nor is Mohammed.
--- Koran 9:3"

LIE

Correct translation:

"On the Day of the Great Pilgrimage, there will be a proclamation from God and His Messenger to all people: 'God and His Messenger are released from treaty obligations to the idolaters." Qur'an 9:3.

All the war quotes you cite are directed towards the Quraysh during a time of battle, and if you read ANY of those chapters, you will find God always promising MERCY and FORGIVENESS to anyone who incites peace or turns to Him.

You forgot to mention that.

I'm sure that if you have Muslim friends, they would be able to help you understand it better. If you're still interested in learning more, purchase a copy of M.A.S Abdel Haleem's translation of the Qur'an.

Peace

~JehanZeb~

Posted by: ~JehanZeb~ at June 4, 2007 6:56 PM

"If the Qur'an was so hateful, then you wouldn't have so many Muslims in the world right now."

huh?

Posted by: Moose at June 4, 2007 6:57 PM

~JehanZeb~

You many want to read why other Muslims have decided to leave Islam. Check out this website written BY Muslims -- FOR Muslims: http://www.apostatesofislam.com/

Posted by: champ at June 4, 2007 7:00 PM

JehanZeb,

The ultimate reply still is,

WE WILL STOP CONNECTING ISLAM AND TERRORISM, IF MUSLIMS STOP COMMITTING TERRORISM!

Simple. If all Muslims practiced what you preached, we would have no problem.

But they don't...

(And the verse about killing all humanity, look at the previous verse; it only applies to the children of Israel. That is, Jews! We wouldn't want you to quote out of context!)

Posted by: Mo Foe at June 4, 2007 7:02 PM

Can you believe this Jehan Zeb? Sorry, but you got things twisted Mr. Muzlim - You and your kind are the haters.

BTW, you worship a pagan Moon god. There is no "Allah," there's only "allah," a limestone figure. Muhammed duped you.

Posted by: darcy at June 4, 2007 7:04 PM

Tscipio,

"Show me different you cult zombie I chalenge you to show me different! until then like another poster said get a camel and discover the desert."

Cult zombie?

Making such insults says a lot about your character, so I'll let that be on you.

As for showing you different. Go to the book store, buy the Holy Qur'an translated by M.A.S Abdel Haleem, read Reza Aslan's "No god but God," buy any book on Jalaluddin Rumi - the 13th Century Muslim and Persian poet, and if its barnes and noble, purchase a CD by "Niyaz" - composed and sung by Azam Ali, a female Iranian singer who sings beautiful Islamic poems and also travels around the U.S. with her band, even performing in suburban areas where there hardly is a single ethnic person. You can visit a Mosque and talk to Muslims and even an Imam. You can visit my blog and if you REALLY want me to show you different, contact me via e-mail and I will send you my short film about Muslims in America, which I wrote and directed last semester.

Peace,

~JehanZeb~

Posted by: ~JehanZeb~ at June 4, 2007 7:06 PM

The reason there are "so many Muslims in the world right now" is because you Muslim male misogynists have treated your women and girls like baby factories and nothing more for many centuries now. After all, Muhammed said it was a woman's "job" to "manufacture men." Voila - so you breed like rabbits, which is nothing to be proud of. No offense to rabbits.

The Qur'an is a hate/war/violence manual. We've all read the Koran, here. You're not fooling anyone. So, take your "taqiyya" and go and worship your "moon-o-theism."

Posted by: darcy at June 4, 2007 7:12 PM

Who would be the greater misunderstanders of islam zehanzeb, the people making comments on this site or the people killing in the name of your allah?

Posted by: Moose at June 4, 2007 7:17 PM

Champ,

"...we asked two of our Muslim customers what they talk about in the Mosques. We said, "What do they say about America during these meetings?" And the Muslim laughed and said, "Oh, you don't want to know."

What? That's absurd. Just because two Muslim customers say "Oh you don't want to know" means that all Muslims preach hatred towards America and Jews? Why don't YOU go to a Mosque for yourself and find out. In all the Mosques I've been to, I've NEVER heard anything hateful said against Americans or Jews!

"...even if I had never had this converstion with a PRACTICING Muslim, the truth about how evil Islam is, is told everyday on the news by their acts of terrorism and threats of destruction to Israel/America."

Do you believe everything you see on the news? You allow the media to spoon feed you information? If you're going to listen to a biased media source, then why not give a book about Muslim Americans a chance? Try reading anything by Karen Armstrong or Reza Aslan.

Why should I side with you and "support this fight against terrorism" as you say, when people like YOU have no respect for my religion. I AM against terrorism and I am also against prejudice and racism, and your comments represent the anti-Islamic sentiment that exists in the west.

The truth is, if you met me and my family and my loved ones, we would have no problem establishing an understanding because we are human beings. It is very childish to hate someone just because of what they believe, that's like a bully picking on someone just to boost his self-esteem. But yes, the Truth is that we would be friends and have a very respectful conversation. Even when I disagree with some people who are very pro-war, there is no hatred, there is at least respect for each other. We still invite them over on the holidays and we still share spiritual beliefs.

Posted by: ~JehanZeb~ at June 4, 2007 7:18 PM

As long as Azam Ali wears the niqab, she'll be able to keep her head...

(http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/016738.php#comments)

But didn't Muhammad hate music?

Posted by: Mo Foe at June 4, 2007 7:20 PM

Yes, there's only one God - the Judeo-Christian God and His Son Jesus Christ. They are one and the same.

No, Jesus is not a "slave" to allah because there is no allah. Yes, Jesus was crucified. Yes, there's the Holy Trinity. No, Jesus will not be returning to assist allah in destroying Judaism and Christianity because, again, there is no allah. You're an idol worshipper, Zeb.

Muhammed is a false prophet, just as Jesus warned us in Matthew. Christ died for his religion, Muhammed murdered for his.

You quoted abrogated Meccan verses.

Posted by: darcy at June 4, 2007 7:27 PM

JehanZeb,

As for showing us different, how about showing us:

-a mainstream Islamic organization that has declared Osama to be not a Muslim?

-the polls where no Muslims said suicide bombings are justified?

-the programs to condemn jihadist teachings in the mosques?

-the defense of freedom of conscience, freedom of speech and thought?

-freedom and equality for women?

-the secret history of Muhammad where he WASN'T a warlod, DIDN'T have his enemies assassinated, and DIDN'T marry a 6-year old?

I'm sorry, but your student films, and some Islamic music doesn't change the fact that all schools of Islamic jurisprudence mandate warfare against unbelievers until Islam reigns supreme.

Posted by: Mo Foe at June 4, 2007 7:27 PM

Darcy

"The reason there are "so many Muslims in the world right now" is because you Muslim male misogynists have treated your women and girls like baby factories and nothing more for many centuries now. After all, Muhammed said it was a woman's "job" to "manufacture men." Voila - so you breed like rabbits, which is nothing to be proud of. No offense to rabbits."

Wow, it's so disturbing how ignorant and prejudice you are. If there is one thing that offends me the most, its the stereotype of us treating our women like "slaves". The majority of people who convert to Islam are WOMEN - why? To be oppressed? No, because Islam is a beautiful religion where women are respected, Loved, and given equal rights. The only "Muslims" you know of is from the TV - you probably never met a Muslim before or read any Islamic literature, because if you did, you would know that we are one of the most Romantic people in the world - Read Jalaluddin Rumi or any Muslim poets' work. Have you read Layla and Majnun?? One of the Beautiful Love stories ever written. Have you ever listened to Islamic music? The next time you see a woman wearing hijaab, I challenge you to talk to her and ask her if she's oppressed. I'm so glad that I made a Muslim Romance film, because it showed many non-Muslims that WE also have Love stories, ambitions, and goals in life.

Here is the link regarding my film:

http://mastqalander.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!1A088E1756D8FFEA!1228.entry

Don't insult Muslim women because one day, GOD WILLING, you will have a doctor who is a Muslim woman. Then what will you do? The stereotypes will be shattered. You must have never been in Love before, that is probably why you're so prejudice and hateful. How dare you say that all Muslim women are for is to reproduce, when the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, taught us to LOVE and CARE for our women. Muhammad once scolded a man for praying in the Mosque instead of spending time with his wife! Muhammad said that the men and women are twin halves for one another. Every human being, even YOU with your cold heart, has a TWIN HALF, a SOUL MATE, a LIFE PARTNER. Every man has an Eve and every woman has an Adam. Man and woman were created for one another.

I pity you because you will never know what Love is, Darcy. You hate a group of people, you are prejudice, you are ignorant, and you are brainwashed. May God shine His Love upon you and show you the way to Truth and Compassion. Ameen.

~JehanZeb~

Posted by: ~JehanZeb~ at June 4, 2007 7:31 PM

JehanZeb,
ok from my perspective being a member of a gigantic lie that fosters hate laziness, schizofrenia,denial,bloodlust etc.. says alot about your character,but I will let that one go its your choice,and I also think that you interpret the Koran the way you would like to see it, but unfortunately the terrorists see the Koran very differently than the rosy picture you paint above,after all they use it as their justification to commit attrocities far worse than they blame on America specificaly and the west generaly.How about those cartoon riots?proportional response? dont think so ok how about the pope speech quoting the byzantine emperor? proportional? nun murdered in Somalia,Christians in Iraq murdered in response proportional? I think NOT.Open your eyes man you have been decieved,beheadings and stonings and suicide bombing,I only seek to show you the truth I dont hate you I hate the religon that is responseable for most of the suffering in the world today and I pity the fools who have been duped by it.I dont need to go to a mosque or meet anymore muslims than I already have in order to form a free rational conclusion that islam is a stain on humanity and its adherents need to OPEN their eyes before they do something they cant take back and push us all over the ediface into the great frikin abyss

Posted by: tscipio at June 4, 2007 7:31 PM

No, we don't have "respect" for your religion and we don't have to! Respect is not a given - you have to EARN it. And Islam earns ZERO respect in this world due to your constant murdering of others' of different faiths and also the way you treat females - honor killings, stonings, mutilating their genitals, marrying them at puberty to old men, polygamy, constant pregnancy, throwing acid on them, raping them and due to barbaric, evil, Shariah Law the females have no recourse to justice. Then you kill 'em for being raped because now the family is "tainted." You are a sick, inhumane, inhuman people.

Barbarians. All of you.

Posted by: darcy at June 4, 2007 7:35 PM

You accuse Islam - my way of Life - of being a terrorist religion, but the Truth is, your hearts are filled with so much hate and prejudice that you WANT to hate Muslims

Have you seen the pictures of our soldiers that were kidnapped then tortured and killed? I did. What kind of human being drills the eyes out of a man then beheads him? What kind of a human can stomach that?
I am convinced that islam is the religion of Satan,
~JehanZeb~. That is not Robert Spencer saying that, it is me. "You will know the tree by the fruit it produces". Where in the world is islam at peace with it's neighbors? Even in Gaza, moslems are fighting each other.
I didn't want to hate anyone, but when I read the islamic texts and saw that I am the "worst of creation", and my arms and legs are to be hacked off on opposite sides, I must say I can muster up a little hatred for that "religion".

Posted by: interestinconundrum at June 4, 2007 7:36 PM

I'm sure that if you have Muslim friends, they would be able to help you understand it better. If you're still interested in learning more, purchase a copy of M.A.S Abdel Haleem's translation of the Qur'an.

Help us understand better???
Better what?
Better beheading of christian or buddhist children?
Better blowing up jewish school buses?
Better stoning and limb amputation?
Better bombing of trains and flying airplains full of innocent people into buildings?
Better gang raping of Swedish and Danish women?

What in the world are you blabbering about you slimy taqyiyah juggler?
Are you so dumb that you think reading your cursed, filled with hatred, primitive "how to zombify yourself" instruction book will somehow zombify an average normal westerner? Or Hindu, or Jew, or a Buddhist?

Are you nuts?

WE HATE ISLAM!
Not because it is spelled I s l a m, or because we love hating, but BECAUSE IT KILLS US!!

Posted by: thomas. h at June 4, 2007 7:38 PM

JehanZeb,

I have to give you credit, because you seem to be a gentle, romantic soul.

But, if you think Islam is the religious of peace and tolerance, why are you here, instead of telling off the jihadists, who so misunderstand your beautiful religion?

Why aren't you more mad at them, for perverting what you obviously love?

Posted by: Mo Foe at June 4, 2007 7:38 PM

~JehanZeb~

Darcy brought up an excellent point, and I want to elaborate on it a little more. She said, "You quoted abrogated Meccan verses."

I'm posting a prior comment of mine to further her point:

"Muhammad's life can be divided into two parts -- the tolerant years in Mecca and the aggressive years in Medina. The Qur'an reflects those two parts, and that is why at times someone will point out a teaching in the Qur'an that seems to indicate that Islam teaches its adherents to live at peace with their enemies.

When Muhammad began to preach his revelations from Allah to the people, he believed that a peaceful religion was a good strategy for attracting people, especially the Jewish people, to the teachings of Islam.

When Muhammad saw that his attempts to win over the Jews through peaceful coexistence were not successful, he "launched a new strategy, a strategy based on power. This is when he declared jihad (holy war) and went out to convert nonbelievers to Islam by the sword."

Muslims today are taught to interrupt the Qur'an through a principle of progressive revelation known as 'nasikh'. Any contradiction in the Qur'an is solved by using the newest revelation. If anyone denies the continuing revelation of Allah to Muhammad, they are denying Islam itself."

In my estimation, JehanZeb, you may want to ask yourself if YOU are following true Islam, because according to the above information I have gathered and then put before you, you are NOT following it correctly. You may be following your own version/brand of Islam.

The Islam of yester-year.

Posted by: champ at June 4, 2007 7:41 PM

You've got to be kidding! My God you're delusional!

Yeah, females are just treated so wonderfully in Islam!

You don't have a leg to stand on, Zeb.

It disturbs me to see how ignorant and delusional you are!

Posted by: darcy at June 4, 2007 7:43 PM

JehanZeb,
dont you see the difference when say a hostage beheading is commited by a very pios religon of peace member,and you barely hear a whisper in the news forget about riots that just doesnt happen in response,but if someone dares question the motives of islam instead of a rational argument all you get in return is murder or at the very least doublespeak about how they werent true muslims.Forget about how you were brought up what about the children being indoctrinated to think killing jews or christians will get the a free ticket to paradise complete with 72 virgins?It is happening and why dont the supposed peacefull muslims act against their supposed misguided coreligonalists?if you respond to 1 thing make it that question why dont the majority of peacefull muslims speak out against the jihad with half the determination as they have when they chant death to America?I am looking foward to your response

Posted by: tscipio at June 4, 2007 7:43 PM

Look at the ad hominem insults flying from the "religion of peace."

No, you got things twisted. You will never know love, Zeb, you have a cold heart, I pity you, you are ignorant and 100% brainwashed and delusional.

How 'bout those honor killings, eh? Such love!

Posted by: darcy at June 4, 2007 7:46 PM

Tscipio,

It's sad to read how ignorant you are. I quoted the Qur'an as it IS, not how I see it. If you talk to Christians or Jews who are anti-war, then what are you going to make of them? Are you going to say they're "lost" or "they need to open their eyes"?

If I supported the war and was still a Muslim, you would still hate me because you hate my religion. You say you don't hate me, but you are saying you hate my religion. How can you not hate me when I constantly strive to be a good Muslim? I don't want you to hate me and I don't want you to hate my religion. I would like for you to understand that just because there is injustice committed in the Muslim world doesn't mean that all Muslims are like that or that the religion itself preaches that.

Cartoon riots? Here's a link to my blog where I discussed that:

http://mastqalander.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!1A088E1756D8FFEA!1052.entry

Are the deaths of innocent Palestinians and Iraqis and Aghanis representative of your faith? Or what about the bombing in Oklahoma? Or the Virginia Tech shootings, or the shooting at the Amish school a year ago? Do they represent you? Do they represent America? No, of course not. So beheadings, suicide bombing, and the murder of American soldiers is not representive of me nor of Islam.

In elementary school, we are taught to never judge people by the color of their skin or their religion, and look at what you people are doing. When you have children, do you want to teach them hate and intolerance towards Muslims or my Muslim children, if God wills I have them? Put yourself in a Muslim American's shoes, there is so much hate and bigotry towards not just Muslim Americans but Middle-Eastern and South Asian Americans who are not even Muslim! I did not imagine the racist treatment I've experienced. I did not imagine my Mosque being vandilized or someone spewing racial slurs at me and those I Love.

So instead of promoting hatred for a people, we need to stand united as human beings. Go to an inter-faith event or a world unity festival. Trust me, you will love it and you will learn more about yourself and the beaty of being a human being.

I'm signing off for now. Take care everyone.

Salaam
(it means Peace)

~JehanZeb~

Posted by: ~JehanZeb~ at June 4, 2007 7:48 PM

Wow, it's so disturbing how ignorant and prejudice you are. If there is one thing that offends me the most, its the stereotype of us treating our women like "slaves". The majority of people who convert to Islam are WOMEN - why? To be oppressed? No, because Islam is a beautiful religion where women are respected, Loved, and given equal rights.

That just makes me want to scream.
http://www.news.faithfreedom.org/gallery2/v/ffi_gallery/beating/beatingwomen.jpg.html
http://www.news.faithfreedom.org/gallery2/v/ffi_gallery/beating/beaten.jpg.html
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http://www.news.faithfreedom.org/gallery2/v/ffi_gallery/stoning/stoning2.jpg.html
http://www.news.faithfreedom.org/gallery2/v/ffi_gallery/hijab/neqabi.jpg.html
http://www.news.faithfreedom.org/gallery2/v/ffi_gallery/beslan/beslan12.jpg.html
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Posted by: interestinconundrum at June 4, 2007 7:54 PM

"In the West the entire "religion of peace" industry depends on people NOT having read the Koran and not being acquainted with the life of Muhammed and the rulings of Islamic Shariah Law." - Robert Spencer

How true, How true.

Hateful, insulting, delusional, idol-worshipping, Mohammedan Zeb.

How 'bout those honor killings? Such love!

Posted by: darcy at June 4, 2007 7:55 PM

oh so I am the ignorant one pulease you still carry on with the doublespeak ,what about Osoma? how does he see the koran?you still wont address that question will you? or any other question like the one about getting fellow muslims to stop murdering in the name of allah you have been duped and I only hope you will wake up before its too late oh and by the way none of those incidents involved people murdering for what they read in the bible so its a moot point about other murderers who dont pose a threat to society just to those they killed and may they go to hell with the rest of the murderers in the world.I already told you I dont hate muslims its not about hat or race that is just more doublespeak on your part so in light of the neverending doublespeak and off topic bullshit from you and your insults bug off cult zombie

Posted by: tscipio at June 4, 2007 7:56 PM

The Muslim's gone. Probably when he saw your links, "interestin conundrum." You can bet he didn't want to click on your links. I did, however. Yeah, that peace and love and care toward women, amazing isn't it?

Also, my mention of honor killings? You can bet $ that when they see that phrase they either ignore it or leave.

What a bas-ard.

Oh, and hey "champ" - thanks for the mention. He didn't like seeing "abrogated Meccan verses," either!

Posted by: darcy at June 4, 2007 8:08 PM

tscipio --

Zeb avoided some of my points/questions too, and then he took off just as things were getting started. Maybe his dinner was ready -- his wife is probably serving chicken.

Posted by: champ at June 4, 2007 8:12 PM

The type of discourse that JehanZeb is engaging in is the most commonplace attempt that we see today to obfuscate the correlation between Muslims who commit violence in the name of Allah and Islam.

JehanZeb refers to a defense of his religion based on his personal beliefs within the ideology and how he lives his own life. I doubt that anyone here would suggest that all or even most Muslims are prone to intolerance and violence against all things and people in the non-Islamic world.

That being said, his personal beliefs are irrelevant, as is the point of view of each and every Muslim individually, with respect to direct comparison to the big picture of Islam.

The unavoidably obvious mountains of sensory evidence that supports the position that violence commited by Islamists in the name of Allah that we read, watch and hear about every day, is overwhelming. The direct connection to many passages found in the Qur'an that validate these actions, a direct correlation to Islam, is irrefutable.

Instead of acknowledging this obvious connection, JehanZeb chooses rather to play the victim, calling us infidels here haters, people with nothing better to do than attack Islam and quite interestingly, Islam only. His argument falls incredibly short of lucid thinking, as if we are supposed to ignore all that our senses tell us. Methinks he is being disingenuine in this regard.

There is no value in pointing out the good in Islam and the good deeds of the Muslims who live their life in relative anonymity, while not owning up to the obvious problem in the Islamic world, a world where more and more faithful servants are supposedly misinterpreting their own religion, day after day after day.

The comprehension that there are many Muslims in the world who do not subscribe to the verses of the Qur'an that preach warfare against the infidel, when compared to what several posters already stated, that it is impossible on sight to differentiate between the "good" and the "bad", renders that basic comprehension, essentially useless.

If JehanZeb was genuinely attempting to connect with the members of this community he would cease to use this ploy. In the same regard that I personally have admitted in the beginning of my post that all is not wrong with Islam or all its adherents, JehanZeb would do well to admit to the opposite, that all is not peachy and loving and tolerant with respect to Muslims' attitudes towards non-Muslims.

That would be a requisite start. Failure to do so can only be judged as standard taqiyya, drivel to be ridiculed and then summarily ignored.

Posted by: awake at June 4, 2007 8:15 PM

"The Islam of yester-year"....I need to correct my own comment.

I should have said the Islam of Never-Really-Was.

Posted by: champ at June 4, 2007 8:16 PM

"The actions of a few should not influence perceptions about Islam and Muslims..."
-- from the article above

Which "few" is that?

Would it include the tens of thousands who trained with Al Qaeda? Would it include the many millions who are members of, inter alia, Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, Laskar Jihad, Lashkar Jihad, Jund al-Shams, Fatah al-Islam, Gemaa Islamiyaa, Jemaa Islamiyaa, Sipaha-e-Sihaba, Sunna al-Islam, and a hundred or two hundredld those "few" include the hundreds of millions who greeted with delirium, dancing and throwing of candies in the West Bank and Cairo and Syria, and Beirut, and the honking of horns, and invitations to happy feasts, in Saudi Arabia and much of the rest of the Persian Gulf states?All of this has been denied, of course, but all of it has been reported by reliable Western witnesses.Do those few include the many who have, since 9/11/2001, made “Osama” the most popular name for newborn males in the Muslim-ruled lands? Do those “few” include the former head of the Organization of Islamic Countries, Mahathir Mohamed, who told an enthusiastic audience of delegates that Muslims must learn to defeat their enemies by catching up with them, not in art not in science, not in economic or intellectual or political development, but in military technology, in weapons and delivery systems for those weapons? Would those “few” include his successor, Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu, who to an American audience praised the system by which non-Muslims were, as he put so misleadingly, “protected” by Muslims (“protected” from attacks by Muslims in the same way that Al Capone “protected” small shopkeepers in Chicago from Al Capone). Would those “few” include those who have killed thousands of inoffensive Buddhist schoolteachers, and farmers, and monks, in southern Thailand? Would those “few” include the Muslims in Bangladesh who have driven out millions of Hindus, forcing them to flee to India, and who have made life hell for the Hindus who remain, and the few Buddhists as well? Would those “few” whose “actions” (discrimination, persecution, attacks, murder, mass-murder) we are told should “not influence perceptions about Islam and Muslims” include those who hailed the murders of Pim Fortuyn and Theo van Gogh in Amsterdam, and drove Ayaan Hirsi Ali to safer quarters in the United States? Would that “few” include those who were responsible for, and the many more Muslims who took fiendish you-had-it-coming-to-you pleasure in, the bombings of Atocha Station in Madrid? Of the London Underground? Who seized the Moscow theatre, and the Beslan School? The “few” who have destroyed thousands of churches in Indonesia, applauded those who beheaded Christian schoolgirls, those who set off bombs to killWestern Infidels at a resort in Hindu-populated Bali? The “few” about whom we read every day, creating mayhem and murder around the globe,so that Western newpapers,if they were intelligently to report the news (and they omit so much that is important, and contain so much that is insignificant) would have to have a separate section called “Jihad News.” It may come to that.

Do those “few” contain the Muslms in France who have rioted, and vandalized cars, and set houses on fire, and beaten to death any Frenchman who got in the way? The “few” who tortured to a slow death the Halimi boy because he was Jewish, and the other “few” – the millions of those “few” in France, who never said a thing, never expressed any grief afterwards, worried only about their being “victimized” which is a habit with Muslims after any Muslim outrage, or outrage prevented because a plot was uncovered in time – the theme of “what terrible thing is going to happen to us” but of course, they project onto Infidels what they would do, if given half a chance, failing to distinguish between the primitive and the civilized, the dutiful, even slavish, adherents, of a Total System, and those who do not believe in Total Systems.

Are those the “few” that Shaukat Aziz, the Pakistani Prime Minister, whose country has received close to $30 billion in the last half-dozen years as what amounts to a bribe, or "protection money" of a kind, has in mind? Or are these things I have listed merely a small sampling of that “few” because I lack at this point the time, the space, to list it all here – it would fill up half the Internet.

Posted by: Hugh at June 4, 2007 8:17 PM

champ,
I usualy dont post I am content to read everybody elses wisdom and leave it at that,but I had to say something this time.Zeb seems like he is probably a nice person who practices islam in a benign way that does not seem to agree with what the terrorists practice,and thats fine ,then my beef aint with him and he shouldnt get insulted,but if he was educated in America then he has an edge over someone educated in afganistan for example,he should be able to see that the islam that many of them are practicing is evil and if he can see this why is he wasting his time bothering us when he shoulld be part of an islamic organisation that seeks to change islam,not my opinion of murderers
I am having babyback spare ribs for dinner mmmmm mmmmm gotta love em

Posted by: tscipio at June 4, 2007 8:23 PM

Do you think I'm a violent and malevolent person?

Well, as an adherent of a violent and intolerant religion who refuses to acknowledge its violent and intolerant teachings, who also provides no way to deal with perpetrators of the violence and intolerance, I must presume that you are a jihad collaborator until I see the results of your background report.

Tata, have a nice day,

Posted by: Pelayo at June 4, 2007 8:24 PM

Jehanzeb

"Believers, fight them until there is no more persecution and all worsihp is devoted to God alone: if they desist, then God sees all that they do, but if they pay no heed, be sure that God is your protector, the best protector, and the best helper."

Okay, you gave us this quote and said there is no hate in it. But what does the exhortation to believers "to fight them until there is no more persecution and all worship is devoted to God alone" actually MEAN?

NO ONE was persecuting Arabs when they came out of the peninsula to destroy civilizations all over the ancient Middle East.

Why do you care which god (if any) I worship?

Then you said:

"Why should I side with you and "support this fight against terrorism" as you say, when people like YOU have no respect for my religion. I AM against terrorism and I am also against prejudice and racism, and your comments represent the anti-Islamic sentiment that exists in the west."

First, why do you need anyone else to respect your religion? It's yours. You should practice it with no regard for what anyone else thinks.

Second, are you saying you would side with Muslim terrorists who attacked anyone who posts on this site? Then how peaceful is Islam? You're against terrorism and you're against prejudice and racism, but which takes priority? If you encountered prejudice from a non-Muslim does that mean you would side with the terrorist who wanted to kill him? Were the riots against cartoons in a Danish publication justified? What was done to Islam that justified taking anyone's life?

In another post you said:

"There is antagonism towards the Israelis and American soldiers because the Palestinians have been oppressed and the Iraqis have been invaded, respectively."

Okay, so why was Theo van Gogh killed? He wasn't an Israeli and he wasn't an American soldier and he was nowhere near Palestine or Iraq. Why is Ayan Hirsi Alli forced to live with protection because she left Islam? What did all the Thais killed in just the last few weeks have to do with Palestine or Iraq? What did an old man in a wheelchair on a cruise in the Mediterranean do to Muslims to warrant being shot and thrown over the side of the boat? (probably before your time) And of course the big one: what did 2700 people at work in office buildings or on planes to another destination do to merit death at the hands of ISLAMIC terrorists?

You say you're peaceful and that you love all people. I'll take you at your word. Why do you defend anyone who would follow the example of Osama bin Laden? You say people hate you, but why do you feel compelled to answer with hate? Why not look at what has brought people to this point?

Do you care at all that people are blowing up schools and restaurants and killing Iraqis (not American soldiers - their own countrymen!) in broad daylight and justifying it with Islamic texts? Do you care about the suicide videos that come out on al Jazeera? Are these in agreement with Islam or not? If they're not then why aren't you condemning them? If they are then why are you condemning US? We didn't make them. Muslims did.

Does it matter to you that a terrorist group takes the name "ISLAMIC JIHAD"? How do you NOT expect us to equate Islam with terrorism?

In an interview with a Lebanese paper a leader of a group called Fath al-Islam said "There is no God but Allah' everywhere in the world."

Why does Islam even have a concept of land of war? What else is meant by dar-al-Harb? Why are non-Muslims not allowed to live and worship in Saudi Arabia? I'll give you the reason Saudis give: it's Mohammad's law that there shall be no religion other than Islam in the land of Arabia. It's time you learned: you'll get what you give.

Posted by: PMK at June 4, 2007 8:25 PM

"When you have children, do you want to teach them hate and intolerance towards Muslims or my Muslim children..."
-- from a posting by a Muslim above

They should be taught, and they are now being taught by the latest news, created by Muslims themselves, about what motivates Muslims, what is contained in Qur'an, Hadith, and Sira, and what 1350 years of Jihad-conquest and subjugation of many different kinds of non-Muslims (Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians, Hindus, Buddhists, Confucians, not to mention Jains, Yazidis, Mandeans, and many others) tells us -- and what it tells us is how to make sense of, how to understand, what the day's fresh news of mayhem and murder committed by Muslims around the world, mayhem and murder explained away through Taqiyya and Tu Quoque, and appeals to a false victimization that, by now, falls on deaf ears, and people who, the more they learn, the more implacably determined they become to limit the effects, the presence, the menace of Islam to them, to the legal and political instiuttions, to the ideas about individual rights and free inquiry and artistic expression, that are flatly denied by the letter, and the spirit, of Islam.

Of course we must teach them not to be naive, not to be ignorant, not to be fools -- what would you expect, after what we have all witnessed and endured? Do you think there is a non-Muslim in Western Europe today who would deny the truth of the following:

The large-scale presence of Muslims in Infidel lands has created a situation that is far more unpleasant, expensive, and physically insecure for Infidels than would be the case without such a large-scale presence.

People in Western Europe may differ on the degree of their fatalism, or their fright. Some may not be frightened or fatalistic at all -- many, in fact. But they cannot disagree with the observation. That observation is derived from simply looking about, reading, studying, watching the evening news. Nothing else needs to be done. No one needs to shout against Islam. It is Muslims who are doing all the work, offering all the instruction Infidels, even the most naive, even the most convinced "dialoguists," will ever need.

Posted by: Hugh at June 4, 2007 8:27 PM

What of the 78 military Jihads that Mohammed led personally? What of all Mohammed's terroristic acts and his statement that "I have been made victorious with terror"? (Bukhari 4:52:220)
and: Qur’an 8:12- "I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them."
Ishaq:461- "Muhammad besieged them for twenty-five nights. When the siege became too severe for them, Allah terrorized them. Then they were told to submit."
Islam was founded on terrorism, intimidation, lies and deceit.
These are just more of the usual lies from the Muslims.

Posted by: Timur at June 4, 2007 8:35 PM

PMK, Here's the problem as I see part of it. When the word God is used for the Muslim god instead of Allah, there is a perception that Jews, Christians, and Muslims worship the same god. I never, ever use "God" when referring to the Mohammedan diety; it's always Allah. When a Muslim commenter uses God for Allah, he or she must be corrected immediately.

Posted by: Pelayo at June 4, 2007 8:39 PM

"When you have children, do you want to teach them hate and intolerance towards Muslims or my Muslim children..."
Read the comments here,

http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2007/06/update-on-jimmuh-from-ummah.html

Posted by: interestinconundrum at June 4, 2007 8:41 PM

I'll make a deal with Aziz: I'll go to sensitivity training if he reads "The Truth About Mohammed".

Posted by: jewdog at June 4, 2007 8:42 PM

I’m not buying it. Even if they stop killing infidels, even if they renounce terrorism, what is left? The subjugation of women, the inequality of justice, the censorship, the forbidding of music, the sexual segregation, the clothes, the food, the rules (way too many of them). Am I insane or do I not want anything to do with it? I happen to like our country in spite of some of our problems. But our problems pale in comparison to when islam is entered into the mix, witness Thailand. So thanks but no thanks mister, but nevertheless I will throw you a “peace” you sound like a decent guy albeit a misunderstander of your own religion.

Posted by: tgusa at June 4, 2007 8:52 PM

"But they cannot disagree with the observation. That observation is derived from simply looking about, reading, studying, watching the evening news."

And no amount of name calling, or accusing us of "hating" to confuse us and make us back down, will change that observation. Just because Jihad Zeb has been brainwashed into seeing "up" as "down" and "war" as "peace" does not mean the rest of us have. And for humanity's sake, thankfully we haven't.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at June 4, 2007 8:52 PM

Just look at this site:
http://islam.tc/ask-imam/index.php
Micro management of one's life. You have to ask how to go to the toilet for Pete's sake.

Posted by: interestinconundrum at June 4, 2007 8:58 PM

Jehan,
Here's one problem that can generate hate as I see it.Bin Laden used Islamic teachings to instigate 9/11, and over 3000 of my countrymen are dead.
Bin Laden has not been labeled apostate.The texts used by Bin Laden and other extremists have not been declared to have been taught in error or misread.There is no challenge to what they teach except from infidels.
Either you are not a Muslim, or Bin Laden is not a Muslim, or the teachings stand as used, or the teachings are wrong.
Which is it?????
Because of the silence, you have been lumped in with the dungheap of extremists where you belong.