Messages from Al Qaeda, or Hamas, or Laskar Jihad, or Hezbollah, or Ansar al-Sunna, or Jund al-Shams, or Fatah al-Islam, or Gemaaa Islamiyaa, or Jemaa Islamiyaa, or Sipaha-e-Sahaba, or from a thousand other groups, are merely promptings of a proximate cause. The underlying cause, the "root cause," are those many passages in the Qur'an, stories in the Hadith, and of course the exemplary, as Muslims see it, life of Muhammad himself, that are the real cuase, that inculcate, even without the presence of a fiery imam, or attendance at a mosque, the tenets of Islam, and promote the world-view which divides the universe between Believer and Infidel. In the West, for now, some Muslims hem and haw and attempt to deny or to minimize it; their position, as they see it, is still too precarious, their numbers still too few. But everywhere that Islam has dominated, all over the world, from Spain to East Asia, and over the course of 1350 years, the story has always been the same, and the subjugation of every kind of non-Muslim always resulted, for those non-Muslims, in humiliation, degradation, and physical insecurity, which is why, save where lands were reconquered by the indigenous Infidels (as in Spain) or those who came back to resurrect their ancient commonwealth, not through conquest but through the right, asserted by the League of Nations through its Mandates system, to buy private land and inherit the state-owned land that had passed from one foreign ruler (the Ottomans) to the next (the British as mandatory authority) -- that is why Spain and Israel are the places that have priority on that little Things-to-Do List impressed on many Muslim brains -- but if half of Western Europe should, through demographic conquest, fall into their lap before Israel or Spain, the world's Muslims will not object.

Undue attention given to Al Qaeda may make some shiver (brividi), but such attention gets in the way of understanding that Al Qaeda is only a symbol of a much larger, and permanent, problem.

Posted by: Hugh at June 4, 2007 9:33 PM

but such attention gets in the way of understanding that Al Qaeda is only a symbol of a much larger, and permanent, problem.
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And that problem has a proper name as we here all know. A name that is TABOO within the media and among the uninformed, ignorant and fearful .

ISLAM ISLAM, ISLAM!!

Altogether now ....

When we collectively start acknowledging the ROOT of the problem THEN we may actually be able to start making progress in taking appropriate measures to combat it. with all the poll results that have come out re: Muslims in the West and their apathy and sympathy for Terror/suidide attacks along with the Polls in the UK that came out today that show almost 60% of British Muslims believe 7/7 was an inside Gov't conspiracy , they ( ISLAM ) are all but confirming our concerns.

Islam and Democracy have to part ways.

I have no sympathy for the Mythical " Moderate " Muslim. you have a better chance of finding a Unicorn than you do a Sincerely " Moderate " Muslim.

I'm so sick of their turnspeak and manipulation , it's really turning into hatred.

Posted by: MoBlows at June 4, 2007 9:47 PM

I could not agree more, Hugh. Al Qaeda or any other Islamic 'terrorist' group for that matter is not the root problem at all but more precisely the Quranic scriptures that all Jihad loving Muslims seem to feed upon from cradle to grave. Truly a primitive culture predicated on death and obsessed with bringing the rest of the world down with it. There is much in the West worth saving if only more would begin to realize its value and what will inevitably be lost if we through away a greatness that began with the Greeks. Human milestones like Oriana Fallaci (1929-2006) knew and understood the GREATNESS of which I speak and I mourn her untimely passing.

Posted by: descendantofacrusader at June 4, 2007 10:11 PM

Cologne: Ralph Giordano receives fatwa for opposing mosque:

http://sheikyermami.com/2007/06/04/cologne-giordano-receives-death-threats-and-fatwas-for-opposing-mosque/

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at June 4, 2007 10:15 PM

Cologne: Ralph Giordano receives fatwa for opposing mosque:

http://sheikyermami.com/2007/06/04/cologne-giordano-receives-death-threats-and-fatwas-for-opposing-mosque/

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at June 4, 2007 10:44 PM

Hugh wrote:
"Undue attention given to Al Qaeda may make some shiver (brividi), but such attention gets in the way of understanding that Al Qaeda is only a symbol of a much larger, and permanent, problem."

Agreed 100%, Hugh. Collectively, by pro-Islamic apologists of the far-left, firmly ensconced and in cahoots with, the liberally dominated MSM, throwing in the standard fare, taqiyya-ridden, retorts of the Islamists themselves, leaves us with a witche's brew of deception, intended to obscure and ultimately invert reality as it exists today.

"Fair is foul and foul is fair, hover through the fog and the filthy air."

For those of you who arrived to class late today, although I personally see near-perfect, punctual attendance by all in the community, a good thing, the "much larger, and permanent, problem" that Hugh has aptly pointed out, is none other than good 'ol Islam itself again, as it always was, and unless someone truly figures out a way to alter the reality of the sane, probably always will be.

Posted by: awake at June 4, 2007 11:10 PM

Polls in the UK that came out today that show almost 60% of British Muslims believe 7/7 was an inside Gov't conspiracy , they ( ISLAM ) are all but confirming our concerns.

Posted by: MoBlows,

If there's one thing necessary for a democracy to suceed, it's a citizenry capable of at least a minimum of rational thought.

When 60% of British Muslims believe 7/7 was an inside Gov't conspiracy, that should tell us that these people have absolutely nothing to contribute to the sucess of a democratic society.

Adding to that the fact that they don't even believe in democracy, it's mind-boggling that Western governments are still importing them into our countries.

Posted by: rational at June 4, 2007 11:21 PM

Why is the West still allowing these primitives into our countries?

Something big is going to have to happen in the future to save our civilization. Just like with Hitler.

Posted by: darcy at June 4, 2007 11:40 PM

Well whatever BIG attack happens count on the Media to downplay them being Muslim, just like they just did with the JFK incident. CNN , the most trusted name in news? right. *rolls eyes* The only person on TV who is getting it even close to correct is Glenn Beck and he's starting to lose me everytime he say's that Islam is a peaceful Religion. People really are AFRAID to point that finger. we not only need to point that finger, we need to stick it in the eye of ANY Western Muslim who calls us Phobic or intolerant. never in my life did i think i'd live in a world that Evil is called Good and Hate is called Love.

It's up to US to carry the torch of truth.

Posted by: MoBlows at June 4, 2007 11:48 PM

Madness downunder:

"moderate Muslim' not so moderate when it comes to ratting on Jihadists:

Sheik Shami, who is also an Australian Federal Police chaplain, said he had not notified authorities about Muslims interested in jihad because he did not want to betray the trust of people making the inquiries.

"If you come to me and tell me about something, it's not nice for me to go and tell the authorities about you because you trust me and I have to just keep your secret," he said.

"I know I have enough faith in myself. I'm not going to hurt the person or hurt the authorities."

The federal Attorney-General's department last night said clerics were not obligated under common law to pass on national security information.
http://sheikyermami.com/2007/06/05/australia-moderate-muslim-spotted/

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at June 4, 2007 11:52 PM

EVIL people find evil ways and the Quran brings it out.

Posted by: Joe Schmoe USA at June 5, 2007 12:38 AM

Excuse me but am I missing something?

SHUT DOWN THEIR WEB SITES!!!!!!!!!!!!

DOS their servers. If the servers are hosted in the free world the government should put economic pressure on the hosting companies.

Let me make one thing perfectly clear... at some point you WILL need to take action to stop this recruitment. If they get people into this mentality using the Internet then take their power away.

Grow up Anti-Jihadists. Tell your government and law enforcement to start using thier brains.

Posted by: Mekoots at June 5, 2007 1:07 AM

They do shut them down...problem is, for every one shut down, there are five backup sites (kept out of the public eye until needed) ready to resume.

Then you have to deal with the thought police attack dogs of political correctness screaming the disingenuous "free speech!" crap
(yep, same thing the terrorists seek to destroy-they hide behind, trying to use our own Constitution as a suicide pact),
backed up by lawyers who willfully and maliciously run interference for them (see lynne stewart et al) in our own courts ranting about the evils and big brotherisms of the Patriot Act that's now been restrained, only to have folks scream and moan about why these lunatics websites aren't being taken down already (many of them were under said act quite a bit, see http://haganah.org.il/haganah ), and then we hear the blame game upon the people trying to do something about it, by the very same people who put a stop to shutting them down in the first place (which is itself treason & aiding and abetting the enemy-same thing they themselves accuse their own political enemies for), and some of them are in elected office.
(Read "The Enemy Within" by Michael Savage)

We have to fight with one hand tied behind our backs. THAT'S THE problem.

Posted by: jcom972 at June 5, 2007 1:34 AM

All I'm saying is we invented the Internet. So lets show them who owns it.

I think people don't really believe the jihad thing will get any bigger. And like 9/11 we survived it, so most people don't think they'll be affected.

Posted by: Mekoots at June 5, 2007 1:44 AM

with all the poll results that have come out re: Muslims in the West and their apathy and sympathy for Terror/suidide attacks along with the Polls in the UK that came out today that show almost 60% of British Muslims believe 7/7 was an inside Gov't conspiracy , they ( ISLAM ) are all but confirming our concerns.

Islam and Democracy have to part ways.
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Posted by: MoBlows

I don't think they really *believe* that. Nor are they apathetic when it comes to terror. They are sympathetic yes..

They **KNOW** who is responsible and they LOVE it!

What really gets me is that they think that these terror attacks can get us to knuckle under to them.

I get increasingly outraged with each attack.. and so do many others each and every day.

THAT is the reason why the MSM are downplaying the perpetrators of this terror and the ROOT CAUSE of it which is islam as it is manifested in their manual-of-war called the KKKoran.

Big business thinks that fighting them for real will cut into profits. Sadly they don't realize that the benefits of their profits are hard to reap under the influence of sharia.

Posted by: Allahfanculo at June 5, 2007 1:51 AM

As a result, "al-Qaida has tried to put the message out to get others to step forward ... and do things in its name," Miller said. "I think what al-Qaida is counting on now ... is trying to develop and execute the major (attack) plan while at the same time putting out the propaganda fodder and hoping that others will take that ball and run with it. And they're counting on both happening at once."

He said the result was plots like the one foiled at Fort Dix, N.J. -- hatched by "people who not only have no connection to al-Qaida but couldn't contact al-Qaida if they wanted to."

"Yet," he added, "they're acting on al-Qaida's propaganda-driven instructions, or at least inspired by al-Qaida."

Miller said al-Qaida was issuing more messages in English, or with English subtitles. "They have realized that they are reaching out to a diverse audience of people," he said. "They don't want to discriminate through language."

This is a very, very queer series of discontiguous statements from the "nothing to indicate [muslim] terror" facilitators.

This does not bode well. Something is about to happen.

Posted by: Arm A. Geddon at June 5, 2007 2:22 AM

I hate off topic postings

Posted by: payingattention at June 5, 2007 3:17 AM

"This does not bode well. Something is about to happen."

'geddon:
(nodding in agreement)
How I wish that we both would be mistaken on that one...but I'm not so optimistic on it. Your instincts do you great credit.

Posted by: jcom972 at June 5, 2007 4:11 AM

FBI Director of Public Affairs John Miller has a severe case of Al-Qaeda on the brain. Perhaps it will even be a terminal case, for many of us.

Their refusal to face reality is most frustrating.

Posted by: special_guest at June 5, 2007 4:13 AM

What the elites and Muslims don't realize is that there's a gigantic segment of our society - mainly but not exclusively - fiercely patriotic and freedom-loving, white, Christian, gun-owning males who are absolutely fed up with the crap, intimidation, threats, demands, whining, and of course actual attacks by Muslims! We are also fed up with the PC crap forced down our throats by the gov't and media elites, and by the gov't's refusal to seriously defend the nation (i.e. the borders & immigration system)!

We know - despite being lied to constantly - that Islam is not a peaceful religion, but a violent, primitive, conquering, socio-political totalitarian death-cult intent on ruling the entire planet.

ALL Muslims support this goal (you're not a true Muslim otherwise), but have varying degrees of courage and willingness to participate in the effort. That's why there's not been a single mass-demonstration against Islamic violence or for the elimination of the "radicals," even in the West where they could do so and still have the safety in numbers, our police, and laws.

The mythical "moderates" aid in the jihadist cause simply by providing cover for the shock troops - those who carry out the threats, intimidation, lawsuits, terror test-runs, and attacks. They provide a (phony) "legitimate and peaceful" population of Muslims (by the way, breeding rapidly) that can be referenced by the propaganda leaders (e.g. CAIR) to hoodwink the American people into believing Islam is just another valid decent religion - nothing to worry about - and even a victim itself of discrimination by hateful Americans.

America is the primary entity standing in their way of achieving the destruction of the West and implementation of the global caliphate. When they eventually pull off another major attack on our soil, if the gov't refuses to seriously protect the nation and ensure the continuation of our wonderful way of life, the patriots referenced above will have to do so themselves!

This defense of America will take into account all its enemies - Muslims, leftist collectivist traitors in gov't/media/law/entertainment/education, and illegal invaders attempting conquest.

Posted by: tjn at June 5, 2007 6:12 AM

tjn-

I am one of you. I agree with all you say.

They call our minority, the good ol'boys.

God bless!

Posted by: Crusader at June 5, 2007 6:21 AM

We should be putting out a lot of anti-Al-Qaeda propoganda in Muslim countries...

Posted by: exsgtbrown at June 5, 2007 6:25 AM

What the elites and Muslims don't realize is that there's a gigantic segment of our society - mainly but not exclusively - fiercely patriotic and freedom-loving, white, Christian, gun-owning males who are absolutely fed up with the crap, intimidation, threats, demands, whining, and of course actual attacks by Muslims!

I survived a boys' weekend at the Lake and based on our repeated themes I can assure you that tjn is correct. Everyone in my possee can see the threat of 'sudden jihadi syndrome' and we have specific, local examples of muslim immigrants trading weapons and making statements that they're 'going to war' soon.

We talked at length about it and when the time comes I know that people will step up. The government has no responsibility to protect you individually. It has a duty to protect us collectively, but should the SHTF it's going to be up to you personally. All the white, male, gun-owning, Christian ( to various degrees ) fisherman I was with do understand this.

Personally I'm watching and waiting and carrying a riot gun around in the car. Sound extreme? Only if I have to use it. I'm getting ready in other ways too - and am going to join the local Citizen Corps so that I can get some training on CPR and other things and so I can see what my town has put in place thus far.

http://www.citizencorps.gov/about.shtm

I'm not extremist or imbalanced. I was a boy scout in a former life and the motto is 'Be Prepared'. Good advice and I'm ramping up on it since the consensus among most 'aware' people is that it will get worse before it gets better. No harm in preparing for those who would do you harm.

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at June 5, 2007 10:10 AM

I spent the weekend at a wedding in the warm, sunny, heart of America. Given the recent JFK attack plan, I wasn't surprised at the number of conversations that drifted into "Muslim country."

Folks, the infidels are off the bench. I saw it. I heard it. I confirmed it. Very few American infidels have a "neutral" attitude towards Muhammadans anymore. A tipping point has been reached. "Muslim" is a bad word in America. The welcome mat has been rolled up and put in storage. Our leaders are behind the curve on this one.

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at June 5, 2007 10:17 AM

There is much in the West worth saving if only more would begin to realize its value

If anyone's looking for a good place to kick-start said realization - or re-acquaint themselves with what is good about the West - go out to Bill Whittle's site -- I'm sure many here have already been there many times. Look on the right sidebar, a little ways down, and start reading some of his essays, starting with "Honor" and work your way up.

I doubt you'll find a better place to start.

Posted by: philmon at June 5, 2007 10:55 AM

Elect a defeatocrat in 2008 for the presidency and give Congress to the same group, and all semi-autos will be history. We will be left with flintlocks and bows and arrows to combat AK-47s. To prepare, one should buy and bury!

I predict that if the defeatocrats win the presidency and Congress, the first Muslim attack post-911 will occur very soon thereafter. This very well may look like the hostages being freed in Tehran after Reagan's inaugural but in reverse.

As much as we might criticize Bush, his unpredictability has played no minor roll in deterring the Muslims here in North America.

Muslims love to be killed. It makes their day and so our troops in Iraq are actually doing a good thing. Muslims will learn to love and respect the one who enslaves and murders them. This point of view, I heard in an interview on the Charlie Rose show with Fouad Ajami about 3 years ago. It was so absurd that I can not forget it. I have also heard similar from non-Muslims with first-hand experience with Islam, i.e., Arabic speakers and veterans of the Iraqi campaign.

Posted by: Crusader at June 5, 2007 11:36 AM

Elect a defeatocrat in 2008 for the presidency and give Congress to the same group, and all semi-autos will be history. We will be left with flintlocks and bows and arrows to combat AK-47s. To prepare, one should buy and bury!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.30-30_Winchester

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.357_Magnum

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riot_shotgun

Those things will suffice. A 30-30 will do nicely in suburban settings and doesnt' look like something 'bad'.

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at June 5, 2007 12:18 PM

No doubt the US Muslim community is actively considering carrying out these commands from 'the great one,' Ousamah bin Laden aka 'bin Looney Tunes'.

And that (in a nutshell, pardon the pun) is why Islam MUST be outlawed in America and the Muslims deported the hell out of here ASAP. Islam teaches first degree murder, institutionalzies it, and Muslims by and large BELIEVE IN IT! Oh, lucky day.

We all know what is coming our way. Except of course the US government (and Oprah Winfrey).
We cannot win any wars against terrorists with several million people who believe they possess the right to commit unlimited mass murder at large on our territory. (Look at Islamberg and the ul-fuqra terrorist organization activities in the USA for godsake).

Posted by: pythagoras at June 5, 2007 10:27 PM