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Much of what the Imam of the Kaaba, Sheikh Abdur Rahman al-Sudais, says below sounds peaceful and moderate. Until you get to the punchline. "Imam-e-Kaaba urges clerics to shun confrontation," from GulfNews, with thanks to the Constantinopolitan Irredentist:
ISLAMABAD: Imam-e-Kaaba Shaikh Abdur Rehman al-Sudais has ardently appealed to the Lal Masjid administration to give up the path it has adopted for the past few months or the enemy would benefit from anarchy and chaos. "I deeply regret and am surprised over their undertaking," he said while talking to a group of senior journalists at the Punjab House here. Saudi Ambassador Ali Awadh Asseri was also present on the occasion.In his brief opening remarks, Asseri said the Muslim Ummah was faced with paramount challenges after 9/11, which should be tackled with wisdom and acumen.
The Imam-e-Kaaba said he was disappointed to note that the Lal Masjid brigade had involved women and children who should not be used (in such activity).
In this he is speaking in accord with Islamic law.
He said that seizing mosques was an act of enemies of Islam and Pakistan. "Being a well-wisher of Pakistan, I request these people to act while remaining within the clearly defined commandments of the religion. Any transgression will only accomplish the objectives of the enemy," he said.He said Islam does not allow anybody to make mosques sanctuary this way. This is no wise method, he said, adding that mosques are Houses of Allah Almighty, not meant to show power by any person or group.
"Anybody who likes to enforce Islamic Shariah can't force it on his own. It can't be enforced at the individual level. Ulema and those having knowledge of Islam should be approached for this purpose," he said....
"I counsel these people to compassionately resolve the issue according to the distinguished principles of Islam in consultation with the government, religious scholars and officials," the Imam-e-Kaaba stressed.
He said Islam does not allow violence, terrorism and use of force. The religion teaches mutual compassion and emphasises on love and affection.
Shaikh al-Sudais said that in an Islamic government, everybody cannot act on his own and has to follow the system and institutions of the state. Anarchy and chaos, he said, are worse than murder, and Muslims must have to act collectively. They are not allowed to adopt an independent path.
The Imam-e-Kaaba said Muslims are protectors of each other while limiting themselves to the confines of the law, and the rules prescribed by the state institutions. Islam prohibits taking any action that divide Muslims.
Al-Sudais said nobody is infallible, and anybody can commit wrongs but there are clear ways provided in Islam to rectify them. Islam specifies resolution of problems through consultation, he said.
The Imam-e-Kaaba said Islam has cut off the roots of violence. The religion has laid immense emphasis on compassion, consideration and care for others. "Wherever violence will creep in, there will be more trouble and problems," he said.
Quoting the Holy Prophet, al-Sudais said that the "air of heaven would not touch anybody who would kill a non-Muslim covered by an agreement."
A "non-Muslim covered by an agreement." That is, a dhimmi.
Islam teaches moderation and abhors extremism and violence, he said.Answering a question, the Imam-e-Kaaba said sectarianism has no room in Islam. The religion, he said, lays down principles of brotherhood and harmony. Mosques, he said, should not be used to spread mayhem and disarray.
Al-Sudais said there are many misconceptions and misgivings prevailing about jihad, which was the pinnacle of the religion. The first condition, he said, is that the Imam (leader) should lead and organise it according to the true Shariah commandments.
"No individual can or has the right to declare and wage jihad."The second condition, he said, is that there must be sufficient preparation for launching jihad.
"Jihad is of different kinds relating to one's own soul, attainment of knowledge, of pen and wealth. It is also a jihad to be guardian of a widow."
The Imam-e-Kaaba said jihad should be taken in its comprehensive sense when sovereign states exist. "But starting jihad without appropriate preparations is not Islam. When the Holy Prophet did not have power in Makkah, he acted differently and when he had power in Madina, he proceeded in a different fashion."
Today, al-Sudais said, Muslims don't possess the requisite power to launch jihad (war) against others. There are specific conditions that must be fulfilled before starting this kind of jihad, he said. "There is no doubt that everyone amongst us cherishes martyrdom."
So he is saying that peace and moderation is only a temporary condition, until Muslims have the power to act otherwise. Not yet, my brothers!
By the way, this is the same Sheikh of which MEMRI reports:
As the Imam of the Al-Harram mosque in Mecca, Sheikh Abd Al-Rahman Al-Sudais explained in one of his sermons: "Brothers in faith, what do our Koran and our Sunna say? What does our belief say? What does our history prove…? They show clearly that the conflict between us and the Jews is one of belief, identity, and existence…""Read history and you will understand that the Jews of yesterday are the evil forefathers of the even more evil Jews of today: infidels, falsifiers of words, calf worshippers, prophet murderers, deniers of prophecies… the scum of the human race, accursed by Allah, who turned them into apes and pigs… These are the Jews - an ongoing continuum of deceit, obstinacy, licentiousness, evil, and corruption…"
"Oh nation of Islam, today our nation is at the height of conflict with the enemies of yesterday, today, and tomorrow - the offspring of [the three Jewish tribes of Al-Madina] Banu Qurayza, Banu Nadhir, and Banu Qaynuqa, upon whom Allah's curse rests until Judgment Day. Do the sons of our people realize the truth about the nation of wrath and deceit…? The insult to and contempt of Arabs, Muslims, and their holy places reaches its height at the hands of the rats of the world, the violators of agreements, in whose minds abide treachery, destruction, and deceit and in whose veins flow occupation and tyranny… They are indeed worthy of the curse of Allah, of the angels, and of all people…"
Posted by Robert at June 5, 2007 8:15 AM
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'He said Islam does not allow violence, terrorism and use of force. The religion teaches mutual compassion and emphasises on love and affection"
...OHH, PTHTHTHTHTHTHTH..
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at June 5, 2007 8:38 AM
man o man, this allah is a sick puppy.
Posted by: swimmer at June 5, 2007 8:53 AM
"Read history and you will understand that the Jews of yesterday are the evil forefathers of the even more evil Jews of today: infidels, falsifiers of words, calf worshippers, prophet murderers, deniers of prophecies… the scum of the human race, accursed by Allah, who turned them into apes and pigs… These are the Jews - an ongoing continuum of deceit, obstinacy, licentiousness, evil, and corruption…"
I get the impression that he does not like Joo's.
I did not know that Jew's worshipped calf's.
And these people come to this site and complain
about 'hate'. They invented it, it belongs to them, this guy just proved it...
at June 5, 2007 8:54 AM
A good jihadi is a dead one.
A good aspiring jihadi is a moribund one, a throwaway character in a Simpson eoisode.
Posted by: dgene at June 5, 2007 8:58 AM
OT
Another reason immigration needs to be stopped...
This guy was trying to hop a plane to the middle east of course.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/broward/sfl-604crash,0,5245361.story?coll=sfla-home-headlines
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Broward Sheriff Ken Jenne announced Monday afternoon the arrest of a man at New York's John F. Kennedy airport in the dragging death of Sandra Hall, 44, of Fort Lauderdale.
Sheriff Jenne identified the suspect as Abdelaziz Hamze, 24, of Coral Springs, during a press conference. He said BSO investigators were on their way to New York to interview him.
Here is what BSO investigators said about Hamze's arrest:
The suspect was pulled from an Athens-bound flight at JFK airport, at approximately 4:20 p.m., Monday afternoon, by agents from U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement. It is believed Hamze, who is a U.S. citizen, purchased his ticket to Greece following the murder. Athens is a common connecting point for flights to Lebanon, where Hamze is originally from.
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No regard for life...
Posted by: Borg at June 5, 2007 9:12 AM
My fear is that they are laying low in Europe (yes, I heard of Madrid and London), not jumping the gun, letting the demographics build, them getting more numerous and younger, Europeans less numerous and older, and when critical mass is reached, they will emerge from their Trojan Horse, taking no prisoners, and it will be too late for Europe....
Posted by: BunrattyBill at June 5, 2007 9:57 AM
Straight from the playbook:
8:66 Now hath Allah lightened your burden, for He knoweth that there is weakness in you. So if there be of you a steadfast hundred they shall overcome two hundred, and if there be of you a thousand (steadfast) they shall overcome two thousand by permission of Allah. Allah is with the steadfast.
Mohammed's critical mass is 33% for the conquest through bad neighboring skills move. Proven to be effective in achieving creeping land gains and island-style colonization in dar-al-harb during periods of weak Infidel resolve.
Strategy breaks down when Infidels are cornered or resources become scarce, see France, Vienna, Transylvania, Yugoslavia.
Posted by: pez at June 5, 2007 9:58 AM
This is exactly the condition that I keep warning about in Europe and the United States, Canada and Australia -- that if we do not act with will soon, it will be that much bloodier later when the jihad here at home kicks in. It is not a matter of if, but when.
So, as we walk down the road of appeasement and the American people (for instance) are continually soft-sold Islam, Islam gains converts, strength and the will to one day wage the jihad that we here that buzz around sites like JW and my own blog understand will come.
"But what about the moderate Muslims," you ask.
What about them? They haven't mattered yet and they will never matter. If you look at the level of violence in the Islamic world, and compare the statistics to history that we know very well -- the rise of Nazis in Germany -- the thugs that control the direction of Islam towards Global Jihad are 10x, 100x, perhaps even 1000x the numbers of the 3% of Germany that initially called themselves Nazis and rose to national control and sparked World War II.
Some experts believe that as many as 50% of the Muslim world is participating in what the MSM loves to term "extremism" -- either directly as jihadists or through "charities" or care, food and housing, direct funding, medical care, spying, etc.
Fifty-percent of the Muslim world.
It may not be time for them to try to take over yet, but don't think for a minute that they aren't planning on it.
Posted by: Foehammer at June 5, 2007 10:08 AM
These 'clerics', each trying to emulate their megamaniacal 'prophet', are akin to mafia dons. They are the strategists and commanders, and they must be the first ones targeted when the deals go down.
Posted by: Infidel33 at June 5, 2007 10:30 AM
O, Children of Israel,
Let the Bastards Have It!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at June 5, 2007 10:39 AM
He said Islam does not allow violence, terrorism and use of force. The religion teaches mutual compassion and emphasises on love and affection.
Here's a good example:
"Read history and you will understand that the Jews of yesterday are the evil forefathers of the even more evil Jews of today: infidels, falsifiers of words, calf worshippers, prophet murderers, deniers of prophecies… the scum of the human race, accursed by Allah, who turned them into apes and pigs… These are the Jews - an ongoing continuum of deceit, obstinacy, licentiousness, evil, and corruption…"
at June 5, 2007 10:43 AM
"the scum of the human race, accursed by Allah, who turned them into apes and pigs… "
Apes and pigs who win Nobel prizes, whilst the only Nobel that seems to be reserved exclusively for the mahometan is the Nobel Booby Prize (aka "peace" prize). These clowns are a laugh a minute.
Posted by: Infidel33 at June 5, 2007 11:03 AM
"When the Holy Prophet did not have power in Makkah, he acted differently and when he had power in Madina, he proceeded in a different fashion."
In other words, bide your time. When we have the power to destroy our enemy, we will. In the meantime, fill them with all the peaceful verses in the quran to get them to let down their defenses. Then, when it's time for us to strike them, they'll be fattened up and ready for the kill.
"Jihad is of different kinds relating to one's own soul, attainment of knowledge, of pen and wealth. It is also a jihad to be guardian of a widow."
Attainment of wealth is jihad? So getting rich is a way to strengthen the soul? At least it explains the raiders of early Islam and the modern day ones who hold people for ransom.
Why is attaining wealth a form of jihad? Does Allah charge admission?
Posted by: PMK at June 5, 2007 11:05 AM
"There is no doubt that everyone amongst us cherishes martyrdom."
A telling statement.
Posted by: yadayada at June 5, 2007 12:13 PM
"He said Islam does not allow violence, terrorism and use of force."
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 73: (Translation of Sahih Bukhari)
Narrated 'Abdullah bin Abi Aufa:
Allah's Apostle said, "Know that Paradise is under the shades of swords."
What? Muhammad is unislamic???
Posted by: Tom D at June 5, 2007 12:48 PM
"There is no doubt that everyone amongst us cherishes martyrdom."
--Sheikh Abdur Rahman al-Sudais
Let us see to it that they attain it, swiftly, before they kill any more of us (free people). How to do it?
I leave that to everyone's imagination. I have proposals . . . but they are not only politically incorrect, they are . . . well, let it go at that.
Posted by: unicorns62000 at June 5, 2007 1:04 PM
What Douglas Hooper have to say about this?
I would say al-Sudais pretty much hit the ball out of the park on this.
(1) We have the Dhimmis (non-muslims treated as inferiors)
"Quoting the Holy Prophet, al-Sudais said that the "air of heaven would not touch anybody who would kill a non-Muslim covered by an agreement.""
(2) We have collectivism and submission
"Shaikh al-Sudais said that in an Islamic government, everybody cannot act on his own and has to follow the system and institutions of the state. Anarchy and chaos, he said, are worse than murder, and Muslims must have to act collectively. They are not allowed to adopt an independent path."
(3) Islam and state are the same...
"Answering a question, the Imam-e-Kaaba said sectarianism has no room in Islam."
(4) Peace will only exist if we in the West are strong
"But starting jihad without appropriate preparations is not Islam. When the Holy Prophet did not have power in Makkah, he acted differently and when he had power in Madina, he proceeded in a different fashion.""
"Today, al-Sudais said, Muslims don't possess the requisite power to launch jihad (war) against others."
(5) Love of violent Jihad
""There is no doubt that everyone amongst us cherishes martyrdom.""
(6) We are their enemies
""Any transgression will only accomplish the objectives of the enemy," he said."
Any questions?
at June 5, 2007 1:05 PM
Just once, I wished they'd actually finish their sentences (not that it surprises me that they don't)
(completed sentence)
"not yet, my brothers"...the attack signal is still a few weeks away.
at June 5, 2007 1:13 PM
"There is no doubt that everyone amongst us cherishes martyrdom."
ERRATUM!
"There is no doubt that us Muslims love to talk about how we love martyrdom because it makes us feel so superior to you infidels.
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Oh, and by the way you stupid Dhimmis, you have to admit it saves on spending for mental-health programs, anti-depressant medications, and housing construction to allow young men and women to marry. Not to mention, it alleviates overcrowding in the slums.
at June 5, 2007 1:56 PM
A classic case of half-truth -- Taqiyya style. It looks like the admirers of the first three generations have taken their Shi'a "brothers" example to heart -- lie when appropriate.
This is an expose...which the media will never see, except to quote those elements that are necessary to amplify the "The Religion of Peace" slogan.
Posted by: Atheist_Kafir at June 5, 2007 9:34 PM
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