Maybe we should give the al-Qaeda play-book to any operatives in Iran. That way, whenever they are captured, they can cry, "torture!!!" like the terrorists in Guantanamo...

Oh, wait, they really DO get tortured in Iranian prisons... Never mind...

Cheers,

http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com

Posted by: Doctor Bulldog at June 5, 2007 11:42 AM

"it is better for Americans to evaluate their own approach in secret prisons, bad behavior and inhumane confrontation with prisoners in Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib," Foreign Ministry spokesman Mohammad Ali Hosseini was quoted as saying by Iran's ISNA news agency."

...and this coming from the country that runs EVIN prison.....(a glorified state run torture chamber)...

Posted by: exsgtbrown at June 5, 2007 11:44 AM

We must remember Iranian Canadian Zahra Kazemi who was brutally beaten and raped to death by the Iranian authorities. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zahra_Kazemi for more on what happens in Iranian prisons with the knowledge of the government. Women are objects to be used in Muslim cultures.

Posted by: James Martel at June 5, 2007 11:46 AM

Abu Ghraib? You mean the misbehavior that was discovered 3 years ago, and has since been discontinued and its perpetrators punished?

Guantanamo? Where prisoners claim to be tortured because the soap isn't scented?

Posted by: Bigfoot at June 5, 2007 11:48 AM

Defend Religious Freedom Rally. A Muslim woman speaks out!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9Wfwlv8Fbsg

Posted by: ~JehanZeb~ at June 5, 2007 11:55 AM

An academic variant on the diplomatic androlepsy that led to the long national nightmare of listening to solemn-voiced Ted Koppel and that portentous opening theme, meant to indicate High Seriousness About Big Things, in that goddam "America Held Hostage" series. Truth to tell, all of America was held hostage for 444 days, though in a less menacng way than that of the captives in Teheran, by that excruciating, completely jejune coverage, where one learned nothing, not a single thing, about Islam or about Khomeini -- at a time when the network, and Koppel himself (who might have done us all some good, helped to instruct us, had he paid less attention to his golf stroke at his condominium on Captiva and a little more on Gulf strikes, then or now, to inflict damage on our mortal enemies whose motivation, rooted in Qur'an, Hadith, and sira, Koppel never came close to understanding. Nor did, of course, any of the others, including the brigade of well-paid columnists consisting of the usual friedmans and kristofs, ignorant of Islamand if they did know something, would not know what to make of it. It does infuriate me to discover that a single lecture by Tom Friedman to some business convention nets him, in an hour, what I get in a year. Indignation over such things is good; there ought to be more of it,expressed forthrightly, unembarrassedly.

We lurch from ignorance to ignorance. Anyone in the International Commentariat going to mention what moves the men who control and staff the Islamic Republic of Iran and who have seized these people?

Let's see.

Posted by: Hugh at June 5, 2007 12:10 PM

The Iranians never respected our embassy's extraterritoriality ... so we should return the favor.

March into the UN, and seize the top 50 Iranian officials there.

Release 10 for each hostage returned. Execute 10 for each hostage killed. Torture 10 for each hostage tortured.

Posted by: Kristopher at June 5, 2007 12:12 PM

Robert Spencer,

Do you hate Muslims?

Posted by: ~JehanZeb~ at June 5, 2007 12:16 PM

OT: Ali Sina's new book 'Understanding Muhammad: A Psychobiography of Allâh’s Prophet' is out. Apparently, the scope of his project became so large that he decided to split it into two books.

Another one for your library.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at June 5, 2007 12:19 PM

What moves the men and staff who rule the Islamic Republic of Iran?

Why (of course!) it's the evil United States of America, the Great Satan.

A sixty-something woman was merely using the excuse of visiting her elderly mother to come back to Iran and spy for the Great Satan and foment rebellion among the students.

Ridiculous? Of course, but if Jack Murtha can say that the JFK plot would never have been hatched if we hadn't gone into Iraq, it's not unreasonable to think that the Mullahs really DO think people who have left the country and come back to visit family are now a danger to them.

Self-preservation is the strongest instinct.

Posted by: PMK at June 5, 2007 12:20 PM

Robert Spencer,

Do you hate Muslims?
Posted by: ~JehanZeb~

I like Muslims, but I couldn't eat a whole one.

Posted by: Jihadtobejoking at June 5, 2007 12:26 PM

Re: Do you hate Muslims?

~JehanZeb~, perhaps you should take some time to read what Mr. Spencer has written before asking silly questions.

Posted by: Infidel at June 5, 2007 12:31 PM

See, anything that is seen to be confronting or opposing Muslims is viewed as 'HATE'.
Sorry pal your so predictable LOL
Hate you? Nah....sorry for you perhaps, in your delusions of religious supremacy.

Go on people, feed the troll.....LOL

Posted by: Jihadtobejoking at June 5, 2007 12:34 PM

~JehanZeb~

See here, and scroll to the point where your very question is answered.

I have a different question. If you love Islam, you must hate non-Islam. Question is - Why? What have Infidels ever done to you? You're from Lahore: What did Sikhs ever do to you people i.e. Muslims that the Moghuls persecuted so many of them, and in 1947, so many of them, and Hindus, were massacred or driven out of their ancestrial homes? Similarly, what did Hindus ever do to Muslims that between 1000 and 1761, at least 100m Hindus were slaughtered? Moving Westwards, what did Zoroastrians ever do to Arabs that after Persia was overrun, several cities, like Isfahan, had their denizens massacred, and over time, with Zoroastrians being second class citizens, most of them were pressured into converting to Islam? What did the Byzantines of Syria, Palestine or Egypt ever do to the Muslims to get massacred in Damascus, Jerusalem or Babylon (Cairo)?

And going back even further, what did the Jews of Medina or the Mushrik of Mecca ever do to Mohammed to incur his wrath? Simply refuse to worship Allah? You know, what, Mr World Beauty, all of us here refuse to worship Allah.

Now, you may say that that is history, but the policies that were there then, with the Sultans, the Badshahs, the Emirs, the Maliks and so on that were there then are there now. Let alone Mecca, in Malaysia, Hindus can't build temples in Putrajaya. In Indonesia, churches are being ransacked. In your own Pakistan, Iraq and Egypt, Christians are being persecuted (why is Yousuf Youhana now Mohammed Yousuf?). In Bosnia, Kosovo and Kashmir, Muslims have ethnically cleansed those territories of Infidels.

We all recognize Mohammed as the worst human being that walked the face of the earth, bar none, not Hitler, not Stalin, not Eichmann, not Mengele... The above reasons are why we loathe him, and his followers since that time.

So why do you follow Mohammed? And why do you hate Infidels (you have to, if you are a true Muslim).

Posted by: Infidel Pride at June 5, 2007 12:37 PM

Iran...their attitude means the American captives are toast.

Right off the bat the troll wants to know about hate.
The muslims favorite buzz word. Unable to distinguish 'intense dislike' hate, from 'irrational' hate, the troll askes Robert the dumb and uniformed question...'Do you hate muslims?'
As I posted on another thread, as soon as the 'H' word is used, Zeb and Co, loses credibility.
If you dont know what the word 'hate' means, Mr Troll, dont use it...You can look it up on 'Dictionary.com'. While you are at it, look up 'bigot', and see how well that word fits you and your brothers...

Posted by: duh_swami at June 5, 2007 1:00 PM

PLEEEEEASE let me at the button!

Posted by: The Goobs at June 5, 2007 1:01 PM

“Defend Religious Freedom” ~ posted above

Only problem is, its “Islamic religious freedom” which means, no infidels in mecca and Christians or any other religion is not permitted to worship openly in any Moslem country.

A Moslem talking about religious freedom is like Hitler talking about how he admired the Jews!

Posted by: Bar at June 5, 2007 1:01 PM

Re: Do you hate Muslims?

NOTHING in their actions in ANY way would ever make me want to become a Muslim.

Sad religion that can only appeal to prisoner losers, gang members, etc. Seems the only way they can get others to convert is by the sword.

So then, maybe the only folks who practice Islam, apart from the truly ignorant or those who are born into it, are the kind mentioned above?

Posted by: The Goobs at June 5, 2007 1:07 PM

"We all recognize Mohammed as the worst human being that walked the face of the earth, bar none, not Hitler, not Stalin, not Eichmann, not Mengele..."
-- from a posting above

Count me out of that "we." Surely it is enough, it is more than enough, to say that the figure of Muhammad, as depicted by his loyal early biographers, is so disturbing as to cause non-Muslims to wonder about those who take this figure (whatever he may have actually done, and whether or not he actually existed) to have been uswa hasana, al-insan al-kamil.

But to suggest that Muhammad, from what is known about the figure depicted, was the "worst human being that walked the face of the earth, bar none," and to suggest he was worse than Mengele and Stalin and Hitler and Eichmann, will not command wide assent, and certainly, by overreaching, will vitiate the point you are trying to make. To wit: Muhammad is not, except to convinced Muslims, seen as admirable and as a figure to emulate, by non-Muslims. That Muslims are incapable of seeing him as Infidels do, or as many do, and incapable of understanding why those Infidels should react in that way, disturbs.

Posted by: Hugh at June 5, 2007 1:13 PM

This hosseini hypocrite of the nth degree would be gut-bustingly funny if this wasn't so pathetic.
Classic taqqiyah-pot calling the kettle black in the most hypocritical manner imaginable.

LMAO...I can't stop laughing at this fool.

Posted by: jcom972 at June 5, 2007 1:24 PM

@JehanZeb

Robert Spencer does not hate Muslims. He has said as much many times.

As for me, an avowed Islamophobe, I have a horror and aversion to the violent, misogynistic, anti-semitic, humanophobic, creed of Muhammad. I don't hate someone automatically for being a Muslim, but if I can't convert them from the blaspheming anti-Christian hate cult of Islam, then they move into the category of someone who is my avowed enemy and I treat them as such.

They are my avowed enemy because I am an infidel, I insult muhammad on a regular basis, and I try to convert muslims out of their violent, earth-destroying, psychotic fantasies. Trust me, I'm your enemy if you are a Muslim true-believer.

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at June 5, 2007 1:47 PM

Infidel Pride,

You ask me why I hate infidels, and then you say that I have to if I am a "True Muslim."

First, don't tell me what my religion is, especially when you're not a follower of it. I know my way of life because I chose this Path, I have read the Qur'an in English and Arabic several times, I regularly attend Friday prayers at my local Mosque, and I strive to make everything that I do a reflection of Islam.

You cannot tell me that I have to hate "infidels" becuase that is NOT what my religion teaches. Islam teaches respect, Love, and tolerance for people of all faiths. You ask me what did the Sikhs ever do to me and what the Zoroastrians did to me, yet you are not talking to me, you are addressing things that occured in the past. How would you like it if I questioned a white person, "What did the Africans do to you?" I would never ask that question to a random white American, because that would mean I generalize. You are making generalizations by stating that I hate infidels or Sikhs or anyone else who is not a Muslim. I have many non-Muslim friends, but they are anti-war and anti-Bush - would you accuse them of being terrorists too despite being affiliated with Christianity, Judaisim, Sikhism, Buddhism, and Hinduism?

You forget that the early Muslims were PERSECUTED, EXECUTED, EVICTED, and TORTURED by the Quraysh. Your comments on Islam being spread in the Middle-East and South Asia are infested with Xenophobia. Do you hate immigration, do you hate immigrates for coming into the United States or Great Britain? If you look at history, you will see that diversity has ENRICHED nations, not destroyed them. Indian Muslims and Hindus have been living peacefully for a very long time, it is only a small portion of them who are still at odds with one another. Look at Bollywood cinema and look at how many Muslims there are in the industry. Majority of the music lyrics are written by Javed Akhtar - a Muslim, and the Tom Cruise of Indian cinema is Shah Rukh Khan - a Muslim, and the best composer in Indian cinema is A.R. Rahman - a Muslim and a CONVERT.

The question is: Why are YOU still living in the past? The fightings between Muslims and Hindus and Sikhs caused a lot of deaths, there were killings on ALL SIDES. Don't forget that Mosques were also destroyed. Watch the film "Bombay" for example. I'm offended when you bring up the Sikhs because many of my close family friends are Sikh and we never argue with one another over stupid things like that. Yes I am from Lahore, but have you ever been there? I've seen SIKHS with my own eyes in LAHORE living PEACEFULLY with the Muslims. I have Pakistani Christian friends who Love Pakistan and have dozens of Muslim friends. Why don't you travel to Lahore yourself or to the Middle-East for that matter and surround yourself with the REALITY. If you ever had a Muslim friend, you would know by now that Muslims are the most hospitable and loving people you will ever meet. My American friends tell me this all the time because my parents are always inviting them and their families over and always preparing large meals. This is at the heart of our community and it stems from the tradition of not just Muhammad, peace be upon him, but all the Prophets before him.

I am a follower of Muhammad, of Jesus, of Moses, and Abraham, and I really could care less what you say, because they are my fathers, they are my ancestors, and I strive to truly follow them. If you truly wanted to follow them, then you should cleanse yourself of the stereotypes and misconceptions that cloud your mind. Muhammad once said that the strong are those who control themselves at the time of anger, not those who rely on physical and brute strength. The Qur'an speaks of forgiveness and mercy, whenever we do anything, whether it's eating or driving or waking up, we say "Bismillah ir-Rahman ir-Raheem". In the name of God, the most Compassionate, the Merciful.

Yes there are people out there who taint the image of Islam, but they're not the majority. They're only the majority if you are watching the news and have NO CONTACT at all with the Muslim community. Before anyone accuses me of being hateful again, let me state that I pray for all of you and my intentions are to send the compassion in my heart to yours. It was quite unexpected to read that some of you actually think I'm being deceptive with my compassion, but I doubt you would ever suspect such a thing if you met me in person.

I just wanted to know if Mr. Spencer hated Muslims or not because so many people on this website seem to be that way. They don't like anything about us and they want to either see us deported, converted, or killed. I think that incites genocide and xenophobia, and it's very disturbing.

I offer Peace in the end. Always.

~JehanZeb~

Posted by: ~JehanZeb~ at June 5, 2007 1:51 PM

I agree with Hugh up to a point about the evils of Mohammad...I can think of a lot of people who were worse than Mohammad. How about Pol Pot, or Mao, who murdered nearly 100 million. History is full of despots, Islamic and otherwise. However as the founder of a 'religion'(?), that has murdered millions and demoralised billions, for centuries, he cant be beat for long term damage. I bet Mohammad never expected Islam to survive after his death. Most likely he never thought that far ahead, and Gabriel neglected to inform him about it.

Posted by: duh_swami at June 5, 2007 1:51 PM

Ynkedoodl2,

"Trust me, I'm your enemy if you are a Muslim true-believer."

No, you're actually my Abrahamic brother. I would only be your enemy if I felt hate or antagonism towards you and I promise you that I don't. I feel that you are misinformed and that there is goodness in your heart. I wrote a poem about unity and read it a peace conference and I would like to share it with you:

A dream once took me to a sea above the clouds
There I sailed on a ship as the sun faded and the moon rose
To prevent the night’s dark shroud
Out of the silence came a voice:

“The Rivers in the skies
Have a song for you
As you mourn over this world
And the many things you despise.”

I closed my eyes and tried to listen
But a cold breeze opened my sight to the ocean
And showed me countless stars in the reflection
The vision expanded into whirling galaxies

Suddenly a storm erupts, the waves roar
And send me spiraling into the cold sea
The ship of my existence sunk and drowned
Now surrounded by bodies of the dead

So torn by the atrocities
Desperately seeking divine remedy
While others turn to the gods of technology
And chant their sacred war slogans

Our Godforsaken laws
Keep us chained to commandments of greedy men
Serpent missiles open its jaws
And swallow innocent life without mercy

Again, I hear the voice say
The dead have not stopped living
Their sufferings are merely being washed away
Their spirits dance inside the hearts of those who Love

Watch the waves transform into wings, broken Dove
Break free from this cage, take flight
And embrace all God’s creatures with Universal Love
The Sea is the Universe and you are the whirl pool

When you expand into a Garden of wondrous variety
Your heart becomes a mirror to all glorious beauty
Your soul dances with Divine Harmony
As it contains the keys to unlock hidden Treasures

You are a planet kept in balance
By a Sun that will never let you go
Your orbit is your sacred path
Follow it and witness The Master’s brilliance

A Prophet once said, “God knows what is within you
But not even I know what is within Him”
Love exists inside all if only we knew
Imagine what is within God

Listen to this gorgeous new song that was born
After the tears of Sorrow became the tears of Joy
As the doors of Love opened the heart that mourned
When one saw all colors as human beings

~JehanZeb~

Posted by: ~JehanZeb~ at June 5, 2007 1:58 PM

A troll will be a troll...Where in the Quran does it say you must 'love' people of other faiths? What a joke, and a lie.
Must you continue with long winded posts that are full of rubbish. I am correct, you mis-use the word 'hate' and you mis-represent, your 'religion'. Now you mis-represent the word'love'. No one here is interested in your rationalisations.
A great suggestion was presented to you and you ignore it. Why are you not preaching 'loving' everyone, and their religion, to your brothers, who clearly do not. Go to the nearest Wahhabi mosque and tell those fanatics about the 'Christian idea', of 'loving' everyone of different faiths...see what kind of response you get...

Posted by: duh_swami at June 5, 2007 2:03 PM

Duh_swami,

"Where in the Quran does it say you must 'love' people of other faiths?"

[2:62] Surely, those who believe, those who are Jewish, the Christians, and the Sabians; anyone who believes in GOD, and believes in the Last Day, and leads a righteous life, will receive their recompense from their Lord. They have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve.

[2:136] Say, "We believe in GOD, and in what was sent down to us, and in what was sent down to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, and the Patriarchs; and in what was given to Moses and Jesus, and all the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction among any of them. To Him alone we are submitters."

[17:70] “And verily We have bestowed honor on the children of Adam; provided them with transport on land and sea; given them for sustenance things good and pure; and conferred on them special favors, above a great part of Our creation."

[29:46] “And argue not with the People of the Book except in a way that is best, unless it be with those of them who do wrong, but say: ‘We believe in that which hath been revealed unto us and revealed unto you; our God and your God is One, and unto Him we submit."

[22:78] He named you the peaceful ("al-muslimeen") before and in this, so that the messenger will be a witness against you and you will be witnesses against humankind. Thus, persist in the learning connection and bring betterment and hold to God."

"Do you not Love your creator? Love your fellow beings first" - Muhammad, peace be upon him.

Posted by: ~JehanZeb~ at June 5, 2007 2:13 PM

Ynkedoodl2,

You cannot tell me I am NOT a follower of Jesus, alayhi salaam.

If Muhammad, peace be upon him, wanted to steal the glory of Jesus, he would not have spoken so respectfully of him and he would have claimed himself to be God (as you believe Jesus to be). Where does Muhammad ever tell Muslims to worship him? Never. It is a sin to worship Muhammad. And here's another fact:

No other religion, besides Christianity, speaks of Jesus more than Islam. Here is a story about Jesus from Islamic literature. I suggest you read it as my Christian friends enjoyed it as well:

The son of Mary, Jesus, hurries up a slope
as though a wild animal were chasing him.
Someone following him asks, 'Where are you going?
No one is after you.' Jesus keeps on,
saying nothing, across two more fields. 'Are you
the one who says words over a dead person,
so that he wakes up?' I am. 'Did you not make
the clay birds fly?' Yes. 'Who then
could possibly cause you to run like this?'
Jesus slows his pace:

"I say the Great Name over the deaf and the blind,
they are healed. Over a stony mountainside,
and it tears its mantle down to the navel.
Over non-existence, it comes into existence.
But when I speak lovingly for hours, for days,
with those who take human warmth
and mock it, when I say the Name to them, nothing
happens. They remain rock, or turn to sand,
where no plants can grow. Other diseases are ways
for mercy to enter, but this non-responding
breeds violence and coldness toward God.
I am fleeing from that.

As little by little air steals water, so praise
Is dried up and evaporates with foolish people
who refuse to change. Like cold stone you sit on,
a cynic steals body heat. He doesn't feel the sun."

Jesus wasn't running from actual people.
He was teaching in a new way.

Posted by: ~JehanZeb~ at June 5, 2007 2:18 PM

JehanZeb

I don't have to follow Islam to know what it is. Anyone can read the Quran just as you can, along with accompanying tafseer and sunnah, as well as what your Mullahs have to say. Under your brilliant logic, since few people are Nazis or Communists, nobody has the right to condemn Nazism or Communism.

Islam teaches tolerance of all faiths? Explain to me, then, Q8:39 or 2:193, where it explicitly demands that 'All religion be for Allah'. While it offers the 3-fold option to Infidels of becoming Muslims, becoming Dhimmis or fighting war, the goal is that Islam would reign supreme over all other religions, if not exterminate them.

Sure, you have friends who are probably Leftists from all other faiths, completely ignoring what Islam not only was, but is to this day, and no, I wouldn't associate any one of them with thier born religion. For instance, there is a Jewish lawyer by the name Stanley Cohen, who defends Hamas, Hizbullah and other Jihadis in court, and calls on the US to eradicate Israel: I wouldn't consider him a Jew, and neither would many Jews. There are Khalistani Sikhs - those who want to carve out huge portions of Western India and make it a part of Khalistan, but have no claims on traditional Sikh terretory - Lahore, Peshawar, Multan and Nankana Sahib. There are Arab Christians who campaign against Israel: they are loyal to their ethnicity more than to Christianity. There are Gandhian Hindus, who want Hindus to die for the glory of Islam. None of them deserved to be branded under the umbrellas of their respective religions.

You can re-write history all you want, but Mohammed and his followers were never persecuted - the early Quraysh tolerated a lot when they were in power, compared to what Mohammed tolerated once he came to power. No, I'm not a Xenophobe - I don't have problems with the US having immigrants from Vietnam, China, Phillipines, India, Australis, Thailand, Europe, Britain, Russia, et al. I do have problems with the US taking in Muslim immigrants from any country, including the above.

I live in the past only as a mirror of what Muslims do - it's you people who bring up issues like the creation of Israel, Western Colonialism, the overthrow of Mossadegh, et al. Please don't lecture me about Bollywood - that is one of the only two areas in Indian life that Muslims shine (the other being sports). Don't ask me to watch films like 'Bombay'. Instead, tell me what happened in Bombay last year on 7/11 - it's not in the past. The goal of the group that did that - Indian Muslims and SIMI - is to 'liberate' India from Infidel rule, since India was under Sultanate and Moghul rule in the past. Neither is the expulsion of thousands of Kashmiri Pundits from Kashmir, or the escalation of the jihad into Jammu and Ladakh a thing of the past. As for Sikhs, if you get along with Sikhs so well, why did they have to leave those areas in 1947? And just the other day, in New York, you had 2 Pakistani guys shear the hair of a Sikh schoolkid. Don't sell me that crap about how Muslims and Sikhs, or Muslims and Hindus get along so well. It's the Dhimmi Indian government that prevents any backlash everytime, or else you'd be taking in 130m more Mohammedans.

Also, spare us the crap that Muslims are the most hospitable and loving people on the face of the earth.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at June 5, 2007 2:21 PM

I encourage everyone to read the story I posted above. It is about Jesus in the Islamic tradition, peace be upon him.

Jesus says: "I say the Great Name over the deaf and the blind,
they are healed. Over a stony mountainside,
and it tears its mantle down to the navel.
Over non-existence, it comes into existence.
But when I speak lovingly for hours, for days,
with those who take human warmth
and mock it, when I say the Name to them, nothing
happens. They remain rock, or turn to sand,
where no plants can grow. Other diseases are ways
for mercy to enter, but this non-responding
breeds violence and coldness toward God.
I am fleeing from that.

As little by little air steals water, so praise
Is dried up and evaporates with foolish people
who refuse to change. Like cold stone you sit on,
a cynic steals body heat. He doesn't feel the sun."

So I ask you, my friends, as I speak so Lovingly for so long, I could go on for hours and hours and days and says, yet why do you mock my compassion? Why do you turn away? Why do you remain like rock and reject my offer of peace?

Jalaluddin Rumi, the 13th Century poet once wrote:

Who says the eternal being doesn’t exist?
Who says the Sun has gone out?
Someone who climbs up on the roof
And closes his eyes tight
And says, ‘I don’t see anything.’

Why don't you feel the warmth of the Sun or see the Beauty of compassion and Love?

Posted by: ~JehanZeb~ at June 5, 2007 2:22 PM

Honestly, Jehan, you sound like a pretty nice guy. I worked with a muslim a few years back who reminds me of how you describe yourself. Now that I've learned a little about islam, I can't understand how such a nice guy subscribed to a religion with so much fury and hate at it's core.

Posted by: Sam at June 5, 2007 2:26 PM

If Muhammad, peace be upon him, wanted to steal the glory of Jesus, he would not have spoken so respectfully of him and he would have claimed himself to be God (as you believe Jesus to be).

Correction:

Muhammad was the devil and the devil is a deceiver. The first thing the devil tries to do is to convince you that He is light and love. The devil does not want you to believe "in the devil." The devil tricks you into believing that he is not the devil.

Jesus said: "Beware one who comes after me."
Jesus was a prophet and warned us of the coming of Muhammad, the anti-Christ.

Sure enough, Muhammad, turned out to be a violent, anti-semitic, misogynistic, humanopobic, predator,pirate and pedophile.And he demands to be worshipped in place of Jesus.

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at June 5, 2007 2:29 PM

Why don't you feel the warmth of the Sun or see the Beauty of compassion and Love?

Is this what you mean:

Qur’an 2:191 “And kill them wherever you find and catch them. Drive them out from where they have turned you out; for Al-Fitnah (polytheism, disbelief, oppression) is worse than slaughter.”

Qur’an 4:91 “You will find others who, while wishing to live in peace and being safe from you to gain the confidence of their people; thrown back to mischief headlong; therefore if they do not withdraw from you, and offer you peace besides restraining their hands, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them; and against these We have given you a clear sanction and authority.”

Qur'an 7:97 "Did the people of the towns feel secure against the coming of Our wrath by night while they were asleep? Or else did they feel secure against its coming in broad daylight while they played about (carefree)? Did they then feel secure against the Plan of Allah? But no one can feel secure from the Plan of Allah, except those (doomed) to ruin!"

Qur’an 8:12 “Your Lord inspired the angels with the message: ‘I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.”
Qur’an 8:59 “The infidels should not think that they can get away from us. Prepare against them whatever arms and weaponry you can muster so that you may terrorize them.”

Qur’an 47:4 “Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; at length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: until the war lays down its burdens.”
And on and on and on. There are many, many, many more examples in the Qur'an of the kind of "peace" that Islam offers.

Bukhari:V1B1N6 “Just issue orders to kill every Jew in the country.”

Ishaq:597 “When the Apostle returned to Medina after his raid on Ta’if, word spread that he had killed some of the men who had satirized and insulted him. The poets who were left spread in all directions.”

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at June 5, 2007 2:34 PM

Yeah, yeah Zeb...the word 'love' did not make an appearance in any of those verses. Try again...on second thought, you have no credibility, so forget it...

Posted by: duh_swami at June 5, 2007 2:36 PM

JehanZeb;

Perhaps you would like to explain a few of these compassionate revelations.

Qur’an 9:5 “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”
Qur’an 8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”
Qur’an 9:29 “Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission.”
Qur’an 8:12 “I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle.”
Qur’an 8:57 “If you gain mastery over them in battle, inflict such a defeat as would terrorize them, so that they would learn a lesson and be warned.”
Qur’an 8:7 “Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: ‘Wipe the infidels out to the last.’”
Qur’an 5:33 “The punishment for those who wage war against Allah and His Prophet and make mischief in the land, is to murder them, crucify them, or cut off a hand and foot on opposite sides...their doom is dreadful. They will not escape the fire, suffering constantly.”
Qur’an 8:12 “Your Lord inspired the angels with the message: ‘I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.”

I'm sure they've all been taken out of context.

Posted by: Abrog8 at June 5, 2007 2:37 PM

Jehan Zeb says:

"Islam teaches respect, Love, and tolerance for people of all faiths."

So Jehan, you are opposed, at the risk of apostacy, to killing Muslims who leave Islam for another religion? And you are opposed to death threats against Salman Rushdie and Hirsi Ali because of their differing opinions of Islam? And it's okay for a non-Muslim woman to walk down the street of, say, Cairo, without wearing a head scarf because, let's face it, as a Christian I don't believe in it and it's against my religion to wear the veil?

You know the one thing I never hear spoken of in regards to Islam is forgiveness. Why is that? I hear a lot of "My way or the highway", heads optional, but nothing EVER about Muslims forgiving other people who offend them. That is a Christian principle. The Muslim idea seems to be do it my way or I will make you pay, as evidenced by the ruckus over the cartoons of Mohammad, or the Pope quoting an ancient emporer regarding his feelings on Islam, (it wasn't a Scientologist who shot the Italian nun.)

I don't know why you got so upset about Darcy calling you a barbarian on another post. You certainly felt justified in questioning our calling ourselves human beings. Sticks and stones, honey.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at June 5, 2007 2:45 PM

Infidel Pride,

"I don't have to follow Islam to know what it is."

Actually, if someone like you already has his mind made up about Islam, OF COURSE you're going to biased against it. My point was, if you want to really know what Islam is about, then why not talk to someone who really follows it? Why not question your opinions and visit a Mosque or attend an Islamic event for a change? You don't have to change your opinions now, I'm just suggesting these ideas to you because I know, from experience, that people can change. I spoke with someone who occassionally visited my blog and said that Islam should be annihilated! Yes, those exact words and after he spoke with me and my Muslim friends, he changed his views! He told me that he welcomes me to his blog as he would invite me to his home, and he showed a lot of respect and understanding of Islam and Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him. Him and another blogger, a Catholic mother, visited Mosques and their hateful views changed! So I'm saying to you, keep your thoughts and opinions, but just visit a Mosque once and see what happens : )

"Islam teaches tolerance of all faiths? Explain to me, then, Q8:39 or 2:193, where it explicitly demands that 'All religion be for Allah'."

LIE.

Read the verses before and after 8:39 and 2:193, and be sure to read up on the historical events. Those were directed at the Quraysh and God only told the Muslims to fight IF they were attacked first by the Quraysh. And don't forget that God says that if there Quraysh showed peace, then all fighting should stop. Ali, the Prophet's cousin, was spat at once in battle, and he lowered his weapon and helped the fallen Quraysh to his feet and befriended him. None of those verses say "All religion be for Allah" - I don't know what translation you're reading. Are you trying to translate from Arabic? How is your Arabic by the way?

"You can re-write history all you want, but Mohammed and his followers were never persecuted - the early Quraysh tolerated a lot when they were in power, compared to what Mohammed tolerated once he came to power."

Another lie.

Muhammad and his followers had to travel to MEDINA, they were forced to leave Mecca, how can you say there was no persecution and tolerance? There was tolerance when Muhammad first received his revelations but once he said he was the Prophet of God, the Quraysh were threatened by this, which is why they persecuted, tortured, and murdered the early Muslims. That's a fact.

"I do have problems with the US taking in Muslim immigrants from any country, including the above."

So that means you have a problem with me and my family, doesn't it? Jesus was Middle-Eastern wasn't he? Would you have problems with him applying for citizenship in the United States too? He is actually pretty uhh Middle-Eastern looking. Christians and Jews practice a religion that started in the Middle-East too, you know.

"There are Arab Christians who campaign against Israel: they are loyal to their ethnicity more than to Christianity."

Are you serious?? I have Arab Christians friends would be fuming if they heard someone say that to them. Especially Lebanese Christians who are very devout Christians. Their country was attacked by Israel - OF COURSE they're going to be anti-Israeli government. But that doesn't mean they are anti-Jewish.

"Please don't lecture me about Bollywood - that is one of the only two areas in Indian life that Muslims shine (the other being sports)."

Umm, you forgot music, poetry, literature, philosophy/mysticism, art, architecture, mathematics, etc.

Every time you write a number (like this: 1, 2, 3) that is an ARABIC NUMERAL you are writing. Why don't you start writing in Roman numerals? And don't you notice the Arabic influence in your music? Medival music was greatly influenced by music from the Middle-East, even Led Zepplin was inspired by Middle-Eastern music. Whenever Hollywood makes a film about Jesus, they rely on MUSLIM musicians to provide the music. Youssou N'dour, Baaba Maal (two African Muslims), Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan (Pakistani Muslim), Ahmed al-Esher (Arab Muslim) provided the vocals for films about Jesus. I suggest you get a copy of Youssou N'dour's new CD which is about ISLAM, he made it to inform people what Islam is TRULY about. Masha'Allah, he has a Beautiful voice.

"if you get along with Sikhs so well, why did they have to leave those areas in 1947?"

Again, you're talking of the past. I wasn't ALIVE in 1947, why don't you understand that? I had nothing to do with that, neither do any of my Sikh friends. And don't ignore the atrocities that take place in Kashmir. So many Muslims and Hindus are killed over POLITICAL reasons. Kashmiris don't want to go to Pakistan or India, they want their own country.

Are you suggesting that just because these things go on, we must all fight against Islam and that we can't be friends? If a Muslim kills a Hindu in one side of my town, am I supposed to hate my Hindu friends? Is that how twisted your logic is? Please explain to me what your point of bringing these things up is. You sound like a high school bully who picks on people who DIFFERENT than him, just so he can boost his low self-esteem and feel better about himself. Didn't anyone teach you to not judge people by the color of their skin or religious background?

Seriously, my friend, this is a New World. Diversity is Beautiful, we are all Children of One God. I know you believe that. So stop trying to run away from it, and embrace it. You will discover a better part of You within yourself. Heaven is singing from within you, and the voice inside is longing to be united with the REAL You. This voice of separation that you speak now - it is not who you really are.

"Also, spare us the crap that Muslims are the most hospitable and loving people on the face of the earth."

Prove to me that I am wrong - befriend a Muslim and go over his house and meet his family. I didn't say they are the most, they are AMONG the most hospitable and loving, especially the Arabs.

I have to go to work now. Until then, be well and peaceful.

Ma'salaama

~JehanZeb~

Posted by: ~JehanZeb~ at June 5, 2007 2:53 PM

Folks, if you're going to feed the troll, feed him real food he's gonna choke on...
THE $64,000 question is:

Does he reject taqqiyah in all it's forms?
Simple Yes, or simple no. Long winded responses are evasions.

If yes (which doesn't look likely based on his monologues) THEN we can discuss things.

If no, then ALL further exchanges with said troll is pointless and warrants ignoring, period.

Posted by: jcom972 at June 5, 2007 2:55 PM

Once again, the type of discourse that JehanZeb is engaging in is a commonplace attempt that we see today to obfuscate the correlation between Muslims who commit violence in the name of Allah and Islam.

JehanZeb refers to a defense of his religion based on his personal beliefs within the ideology and how he lives his own life. I doubt that anyone here would suggest that all or even most Muslims are prone to intolerance and violence against all things and people in the non-Islamic world.

That being said, his personal beliefs are irrelevant, as is the point of view of each and every Muslim individually, with respect to direct comparison to the big picture of Islam.

The mountains of sensory evidence that supports the position that violence commited by Islamists in the name of Allah that we read, watch and hear about every day, is overwhelming. The direct connection to many passages found in the Qur'an that validate these actions, as was aptly provided by previous posters here on this thread, a direct correlation to Islamic texts, is irrefutable.

Instead of acknowledging this obvious connection, JehanZeb chooses rather to play the victim, calling us haters, people with nothing better to do than attack Islam for no apparent reason. His argument falls incredibly short of lucid thinking, as if we are supposed to ignore all that our senses tell us. He is being disingenuine in this regard.

There is no value in pointing out the good in Islam and the good deeds of the Muslims who live their life in relative anonymity, while not owning up to the obvious problem in the Islamic world, a world where more and more faithful servants are supposedly misinterpreting their own religion, day after day after day.

The comprehension that there are many Muslims in the world who do not subscribe to the verses of the Qur'an that mandate warfare against the infidel, xcoupled with the fact that it is impossible to visually differentiate between the "good" and the "bad", renders that basic comprehension, essentially useless.

If JehanZeb was genuinely attempting to connect with the members of this community he would cease to use this ploy. While it is obvious that all is not wrong with Islam or all its adherents, JehanZeb would be better received here to admit to the opposite, that all is not peachy and loving and tolerant with respect to Muslims' attitudes towards non-Muslims.

In the absence of this requisite acknowledgement by JehanZeb, he cannot be taken seriously.

Here's a quick analogy:

Fire is good, it provides warmth and aids humankind.

Fire is also bad, it is dangerous and can destroy and kill humankind.

While being both good and bad, fire should be approached with caution.

Islam is good, it provides needed spiritual sustenance for many.

Islam is bad, it provides undue duress, sometimes fatal to many.

While being both good and bad, Islam should Not be approached with caution???

That is simply illogical to suggest.

Posted by: awake at June 5, 2007 2:55 PM

If no, then ALL further exchanges with said troll is pointless and warrants ignoring, period.
Posted by: jcom972

He has said nothing of value. I am with jcom972. If other's want to intellectually sword fight with him, that's up to you. You will get no where, fast.
He is here to challange and preach, not to learn one blessed thing...he know it all already and you are the students...one huge ego trip...

Posted by: duh_swami at June 5, 2007 3:07 PM

JehanZeb wrote:

"Seriously, my friend, this is a New World. Diversity is Beautiful, we are all Children of One God. I know you believe that. So stop trying to run away from it, and embrace it."

I really have a problem with this. I have been really struggling to find the answer. I guess people want to believe if God is all powerful thier can only be one. Perhaps that is true. But the Moon-god Allah(Moon-O-Theism) or just Anti-Christ may be the key to Mo's god.

I will probably wrestle with this all my life.

Posted by: Abrog8 at June 5, 2007 3:19 PM

If other's want to intellectually sword fight with him, that's up to you. You will get no where, fast.

I'm up for sword fighting with a Muhammadan anytime, especially when they insult The Messiah Jesus Christ by comparing him to that demonic delusion: Issa.

Having a muhammadan tell me they DON'T worship muhammad is a laugh-and-a-half. A typical Muhammadan would destroy the whole world just to drink a thimble of his urine.

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at June 5, 2007 3:19 PM

JehanZeb

1,2,3,4,... are Hindu numerals, not Arabic. Architecture - if you are thinking of Jahangir's tomb (your favorite) or Taj Mahal - has its origins in Persian pre-Islamic architecture. And I wouldn't call Sufism philosophy - it was just a way to entice Hindus to quit Hinduism and embrace Islam, albeit a marginal sect.

Lebanese Christians - particularly Maronites - don't consider themselves Arabs. In the course of Lebanon's civil war, there are some factions that were Syrian backed, and therefore led to the impression that they are Arabs. But their biggest problem in Lebanon has been Islamization - by Hizbullah and Shia in the South, and Sunnis, like Fatah al Islam in the North.

On Kashmir, it's not a political movement. Kashmir has something no other Indian state has - its own constitution. And the 'own country' that Kashmiris want is something that only the Muslims of the state want: Ladakh has a Buddhist majority, and they don't want any part of that. Jammu is Hindu dominated, and they don't want any part of it either. And in Kashmir itself, Kashmiri Hindus too don't want to be a part of an independent Islamic country, even though most of them have fled the valley.

What Kashmir has politically, no other Indian state has. Gujarat couldn't declare itself a Hindu rashtra if it wanted to. Left Bengal couldn't declare itself a People's Republic, although they've had uninterrupted Communist rule since 1977. The campaign in Kashmir today is no different from the Muslim league campaign for Pakistan in the 1940s.

we are all Children of One God. I know you believe that.

No, I dont'. As a Hindu, I believe that several Gods exist - the trinity (Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva), and the myriad Gods and Goddesses that exist in the Hindu pantheon. Aside from that, I do believe that for Christians, God and Jesus is there, and for Jews, Sikhs and others, their respective Gods, even though I don't believe in any of them myself. I also strongly believe that Allah doesn't exist, and that Mohammed was simply a fiend, who unlike Nero or Attila, is someone whose legacy we have to live with to this day.

Yes, diversity is beautiful, but Islam has always been all about wiping out that diversity, and replacing it with Islam. It happened on the sub-continent, it happened in Indonesia, it happened all over the Middle East. If you want diversity, Islam has to disappear. Not Muslims, mind you, but Islam.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at June 5, 2007 3:24 PM

JehanZeb wrote:

"Seriously, my friend, this is a New World. Diversity is Beautiful, we are all Children of One God. I know you believe that. So stop trying to run away from it, and embrace it."

"The Myth:

Religious minorities have flourished under Islam. Muslims are commanded to protect Jew and Christians (the People of the Book) and to do them no harm.

The Truth:

Religious minorities have not “flourished” under Islam. In fact, they have dwindled to mere shadows after centuries of persecution and discrimination. Some were converted from their native religion by brute force, others under the agonizing strain of dhimmitude.

What Muslims call “tolerance,” others correctly identify as institutionalized discrimination. The consignment of Jews and Christians to dhimmis under Islamic rule means that they are not allowed the same religious rights and freedoms as Muslims. They cannot share their faith, for example, or build houses of worship without permission.

Historically, dhimmis have often had to wear distinguishing clothing or cut their hair in a particular manner that indicates their position of inferiority and humiliation. They do not share the same legal rights as Muslims, and must even pay a poll tax (the jizya). They are to be killed or have their children taken from them if they cannot satisfy the tax collector’s requirements.

For hundreds of years, the Christian population in occupied Europe had their sons taken away and forcibly converted into Muslim warriors (known as Jannisaries) by the Ottoman Turks.

It is under this burden of discrimination and third-class status that so many converted to Islam over the centuries. Those who didn’t often faced economic and social hardships that persist to this day and are appalling by Western standards of true religious tolerance and pluralism.

For those who are not “the People of the Book,” such as Hindus and atheists, there is very little tolerance to be found once Islam establishes political superiority. The Qur’an tells Muslims to “fight in the way of Allah” until “religion is only for Allah.” The conquered populations face death if they do not establish regular prayer and charity in the Islamic tradition (ie. the pillars of Islam).

Tamerlane and other Muslim warriors slaughtered hundreds of thousands of Hindus and Buddhists, as well as displacing or forcibly converting millions more over the last thousand years.

At best, Islam has a dual personality toward other religions. In some places they are explicitly cursed by Allah, in others there appears to be a measure of tolerance shown. There are about 500 verses in the Qur’an that speak of Allah’s hatred for non-Muslims and the punishment that he has prepared for their unbelief. There is also a tiny handful that say otherwise, but these are mostly earlier verses that many scholars consider to be abrogated by the later, more violent ones.
If tolerance simply means discouraging the mass slaughter of those of a different faith, then today's Islam generally meets this standard more often than not. But, if tolerance means allowing people of other faiths the same religious liberties that Muslims enjoy, then Islam is fundamentally the most intolerant religion under the sun."

many thanks to the Religion of Peace link....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at June 5, 2007 3:37 PM

JehanZeb wrote:
"Diversity is Beautiful, we are all Children of One God. I know you believe that."
________________________________

Actually Jesus said we are not all children of God. Some are children of the Devil and since Islam and Christianity do not worship the same God I guess we know who Jesus was talking about when He said :

John 8:44 : "You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Posted by: CaptainGrevious at June 5, 2007 3:37 PM

"Diversity is Beautiful, we are all Children of One God. I know you believe that."
-- a Muslim poster, sensing that Islam is on the run and it's time to try a new tack

Spare us the treacle. Spare us the bomfoggery. We can read the Qur'an, the Hadith, the sira. We can examine the behavior of the man Muslims revere as uswa hasana, al-insan al-kamil. We can study the past 1350 years of Jihad-conquest, and the treatment of Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians, Hindus, Buddhists and others under Muslim rule, a rule under which Muslims killed tens of millions of non-Muslims (perhaps 70 million Hindus alone), and by imposing a status of humiliation, degradation, and physical insecurity, slowly or quickly caused a steady reduction, in lands once entirely populated by non-Muslims, in the non-Muslim population, with the results we all see in the Middle East and North Africa, and to a less dramatic and obvious extent, in Indonesia (what happened to all those Hindus? And those Buddhists? All just couldn't withstand the irresistible charm of Islam? Is that it?) and in Pakistan, Bangladesh, and parts of India.

And we can read the evening news, and find out still more about what is happening to Buddhists in southern Thailand, or Hindus in Bangladesh, or Christians in Indonesia, or Christians in the southern Sudan or northern Nigeria. We don't even need to pay attention to what is happening within our own, Western world, currently hoist by its own petard of "tolerance" and the "diversity" you so simperingly invoke.

Cut the crap.

Posted by: Hugh at June 5, 2007 3:45 PM

Anyone read this book yet?

http://www.yoel.info/moonotheism.htm

Posted by: Abrog8 at June 5, 2007 3:58 PM

[quote=primitive]"Instead of giving useless advice, it is better for Americans to evaluate their own approach in secret prisons, bad behavior and inhumane confrontation with prisoners in Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib," Foreign Ministry spokesman Mohammad Ali Hosseini was quoted as saying by Iran's ISNA news agency.[/quote]

As usual, extremist Islamists parrotting the anti-American DIMocrat party platform.

Posted by: RED at June 5, 2007 4:00 PM

I'm up for sword fighting with a Muhammadan anytime, especially when they insult The Messiah Jesus Christ by comparing him to that demonic delusion: Issa.
Posted by: Ynkedoodl2

I dont fault you for that, but he will never believe one word you say, he is deaf to the truth.
You can argue and debate with him all day, he will always take a superior attitude, and have an answer for everything.(Not a good one probably). On the other hand, he is entitled to your opinion, and your facts, and you should not deprive him of them.
Your seed's of truth will probably not germinate on the hard rock's of Islamic delusions, but even if only one doe's, you have done a service to humanity.
He said he was going to work, but I am sure he will be back....have a good day...

Posted by: duh_swami at June 5, 2007 4:13 PM

JehanZeb makes it sound like Muslims never use the Qur'an to justify murder / terrorism /behaeding /throwing acid in the face of women etc... We know what it teaches and justifies,so how can a seemingly intelligent person just dismiss the FACT that the Qur'an teaches intolerance and violence. JehanZeb, you are either clueless, which does not appear to be the case or a Silver tongued DEVIL. which is it?

Posted by: MoBlows at June 5, 2007 4:18 PM

MoBlows...Zeb is slick, but not slick enough for this forum. He is schizophrenic about Islam.
His perception is split in two. One is his fantasy, and his claim that he lives his fantasy, the other is what's really happening in/with Islam, and why that is. He pretty much ignore's the left hand path and concentrates on the right. In the end, this is probably good for him, if that is carried out to it's logical conclusion, he will apostate himself.
But he need's to get over the need to defend Islam,
and see Islam for the host of negative thing's it is comprised of. When he freely admit's, to himself, these thing's do exist, when he plainly realise's these thing's are wrong and un-acceptable, he will get passed Allahphrenia, and apostate himself.
If he did that, it would be possible to converse with him, untill then, he is still an Abdallah, slave to Allah, and thus under Allah's spell...

Posted by: duh_swami at June 5, 2007 4:42 PM

I miss Abdullah. He was at least honest about his enemity - we could converse with him as to the whats and hows, instead of the whys. But Mr World Beauty is the ultimate taquiyya artist.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at June 5, 2007 4:52 PM

'You will know them by thair fruit'. Muhammad's example is pathetic. Murder, Mass murder, theft receving stolen goods and more. It is not possible to hold his example as rightoues. Jesus and Budda are far better examples of human conduct than Muhammad.

Islamic history is just as pathetic. When Christians have commited horrible acks thay can't claim to be fallowing Jesus example. Muslims have the example of Muhammad comitting many crimes. Peace be upon him...lol.

Posted by: Ruebacca at June 5, 2007 4:56 PM

abrog8

Thanks for the link. Everybody should go to that link and read. Fascinating!

I liked this gem:

Fasting during the month of Ramadan during the daytime while feasting at night is an anti-solar, pro-lunar rite (K 002:183-185).

http://www.yoel.info/moonotheism.htm

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at June 5, 2007 5:20 PM

~Zeb~

Your words are like fragrant flowers being sprinkled over horse manure.

No matter how sweet -- no matter how strong the perfume from the flower might be -- you cannot cover up the foul stench beneath.

Posted by: champ at June 5, 2007 5:49 PM

Anti-Semitism alert:

Ynkeedoodle2 said: "Jesus died a horrible death to liberate you from the Pharisaic (Jewish) soul of Islam."

CaptainGrevious said: "You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies."

In order for you f***ing losers to feel more pride in your own religion, you decide it would be a great idea to smear your closest allies in Western civilization, the religion without which you'd be pagans to this day.

I doubt there are many people besides me who have read both the Jewish Tal'mud and the Christian Gospels. The few of us who have done so are nauseous at the anti-Jewish libel of the Gospels, thanks to the clearly Pharisaic orientation of Jesus, who repeatedly cites the Hebrew Bible and the Pharisaic Oral Law, or Tal'mud. Oh, wait, then you'd have to actually learn what "Pharisaic" means instead of using it as a curse word, you f***ing ignorant bigot! What you admire in the teachings of Jesus was common wisdom among the Pharisees. If you had a "Pharisaic (Jewish) soul", that would be a huge improvement over having no soul, you f***er.

That passage from John told us that the alleged children of Abraham are really children of the devil. Oh, yeah, you f***er? Who was more diabolical - da Jooz who invented polio vaccines and other medical, agricultural and technological advances, or your drooling Neanderthals who raped, tortured, mutilated, disemboweled, burned and gassed tens of millions in your triumphant history?

Didn't someone say not to point out the mote in your neighbor's eye when there was a log in your own eye? Yes, I know it's in the Tal'mud, but some other famous rabbi mentioned this story - who was that again...?

F*** all anti-Semites, whether Christian or Muslim! When will you totalitarians just let us Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs, Zoroastrians, Confucians, Daoists and atheists live in peace? F*** OFF!

Posted by: Surak at June 5, 2007 6:34 PM

Surak...why are you holding back...say what you mean...I like the F*** routine, provides color and drama. I know you are not refering to all poster's because not all poster's here are anti-semetic, or even Christian. I consider Jew's are my fiend's, and Israel a valid country under attack. Sometimes the religious rhetoric get's loud here, and a 'Staffer' has to remind everyone to cool it.
Personally, I think most everyone is too sensitive.
Instead of being offended by 'apes' and 'pig's', for instance, laugh at it as a creation of an infantile mind. It is an insult, but look at who said it, Bozo the Clown. I get tired of hearing Joo hate myself, because it is irrational, and based on sheer ignorance. I suppose Christians get tired of hearing that Jesus is an Islamic Prophet, Hindu's get tired of their entire religious culture defined in terms of cow worship, and muslims get tired of hearing that Mohammad is dead. So we all have something to be tired of. And it's all valid tirednesses, except about Mohammad, he really is dead. But without a body, we cant really be sure...

Posted by: duh_swami at June 5, 2007 7:14 PM

Surak --

I agree that anti-semitism is wrong, but why is it OK for you to despise Christians? Sounds like a double-standard to me.

Posted by: champ at June 5, 2007 7:17 PM

Actually Apes, Pigs are smart animals. Pigs and hogs are almost dog like with a little training. Apes will smoke if given cigerattes. Most humans will kill, if others refuse to follow their one god!

Posted by: AMartinez at June 5, 2007 7:26 PM

Yankee Doodle where in the bible does it say:
Jesus said: "Beware one who comes after me."

I came across this sight on my search for that verse. Zen should read the answer to Lins question on this sight, it's very interesting.

http://en.allexperts.com/q/Baptists-954/Islam-vs-Christianity.htm

HI,
I know probably that the subject may have thrown you for a minute, but let me explain, I am a Christian, a member of Trinity Baptist Church here in Jacksonville Fl.
My problem i need help with is i have recently made friends with someone of the Muslim faith, and though i know what our bible teaches, and what my believes are, i am having trouble with explaining the areas he is questioning me on, if you can help with the spiritual references! i would like to be able to hopefully lead this person to the truth.
first, they state that Jesus said he would pray for a "comforter" to follow him, this is where they claim i guess that Jesus is telling them it will be Mohammad, where we see it as the "Holy Ghost" our verses CLEARLY state Holy Ghost, but of course they say our translations are not accurate, I am trying to locate the passage that says, beware of the false prophets that come after me? i have found several similiar verses, but not this one.
second, maybe you can help with this, they say that we are in effect acting as Jews, because when Jesus came forth to the Jews as the Messiah, they didnt believe him, or believe the scriptures that fortold his arrival, So they say that because Mohammads arrival was foretold and his words come straight from God, we are in effect turning our backs on God as the Jews did to Jesus. Again I know that The bible states many times that Jesus is the way the truth the light, and that NO man shall enter Heaven except through him, But do you have an easier way to get this point across?
Any other help you can give me would greatly be appreciated.!
God bless
Lin

Posted by: mrockroll1969 at June 5, 2007 7:37 PM

Ooops, I meant JehanZeb should read the answer to Lins question...

Posted by: mrockroll1969 at June 5, 2007 7:39 PM

mrockroll1969 --

This website is a great resource, and it will probably address every single question your Muslim friend could ever have concerning Christianity.

"Muslims Ask -- Christians Answer".....

http://www.answers-to-muslims.com/

Posted by: champ at June 5, 2007 7:49 PM

I have never wanted to see bombs drop more than I do when it comes to the Islamic thugocracy in Iran. I want to see the dreams of a Caliphate come literally crashing down around the ears of Ahmadinejad and his leash-holding Ayatollah. Every bomb should be hand-signed by parent of one of our soldiers lost in Iraq:

"Greetings from the USA, Ahmanutjob!"

We do not strike fear into the hearts of our enemies. This needs to change, because they will not love us. Even our allies no longer love us, though they will get very "friendly" again the minute China and Russia suddenly decide to become aggressively militarized and make a move on Europe and Asia. (Hell, I'm not convinced that Putin and Chinese communists aren't firmly behind a plan to speed up the process of Islam vs Big Satan and Little Satan. They certainly are sending them gifts of guns and technology at the very least.)

The bottom-line is this: the only way to avert disaster is through violent means. I know that might strike some as strange, but the paradox here is that an imagined peace is the surest way to a worse war. Strike while we are the strongest, or prepare for a time when we are a shell of ourselves facing nuclear terror and the aftermath of such attacks, a re-emerging Russian threat and a well-prepared China that has never played by the "rules".

War is inevitable at this point, but how we choose to wage it is what will matter most. Control the timetable of events or become the victim of apathy.

Posted by: Foehammer at June 5, 2007 8:54 PM

So I ask you, my friends, as I speak so lovingly for so long, I could go on for hours and hours and days and days, yet why do you mock my compassion? Why do you turn away? Why do you remain like rock and reject my offer of peace?
Why don't you feel the warmth of the Sun or see the Beauty of compassion and Love?

Posted by JehanZeb

Oh man, I feel it, I feel it! I feel the warmth wafting up my caftan as I sit here twiddling with my love beads. My head is spinning with the beauty of your melodic Piece de resistance; it’s overwhelming to the point of sensual bliss!

Ooops, I slipped in to ‘talking utter bollocks mode’ there for a bit but at least I’m in good company! LOL

Please carry on while I calm down.

Posted by: Jihadtobejoking at June 5, 2007 8:58 PM

Foehammer is absolutely right. Jihad Zeb and his ilk accuse us of being hateful to taunt us. We know whom we love, and so what if it isn't Muslims? He lobs his little grenades merely to bide his time. We know that Muslims were behind the JFK threat, we know we've all read hundreds if not thousands of stories since Robert started this site about the mistreatment and elimination of women, non-Muslims, even other Muslims in the name of Islam, we know CAIR is working overtime to try and trap us with our own laws, we know Europe is on the verge of being completely overrun by Muslim condescension along with PC ineptitude and we know that Michigan is full of Muslims who hate our guts and tell us they want our subjugation. I don't really need to hear anymore about what Muslims think or want. They tell me that everyday and I believe them because I believe my own eyes.

It's way past the time to wring our hands and wonder if we should be "not nice" to Muslims. Who gives a flying flip? If Jehan Zeb wants to accuse us, let him. It should not deter us from our purpose, which happens to be the same purpose that Christian Europe had off and on over the past 1400 years, and that is to protect our people, our culture and our way of life from any and all enemies, and if that includes Muslims who are willing to kill us and to kill themselves to achieve their goal, then we need to become just as bloodthirsty and ruthless as they are, because they are not screwing around. They mean business, and if we mean to stop them and keep our own way of life then we'd better mean business too.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at June 5, 2007 9:13 PM

Matthew 7
15"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

Posted by: pvb at June 5, 2007 10:00 PM

Matthew 7
15"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

Posted by: pvb at June 5, 2007 10:01 PM

And another thing why are these people called, Iranian Americans. Why not Americans of Iranian ancestry. The statement would have more effect if it said Americans are beind held once again in Iran, without leagle cause. O well that's not being PC. This great country of mine is allway's being held hostage by some little craphole dictatorship, sence the 70's. When o when, are we gonna take off the kid gloves?

Posted by: AMartinez at June 5, 2007 11:02 PM

Surek-you paranoid SOB, the comment I made was not directed at Jews, but those who do not believe in the God of the Bible, I think Jews believe in the Bible last time I checked don't they ? That would Yahwew, Hashem ..Either God is your Father or for those who do not belive in God teh Devil is thier father. really need to check the the chip on your shoulder, its quite unbecoming. And by your vitrol curse words "f*cking loser" you obviously have some anger issues it does nothing to cause folks to want to listen to your argument, you come off as a nut job. Have a great week.

Posted by: CaptainGrevious at June 6, 2007 12:11 AM

Surek-you paranoid SOB- you really need to check the the chip on your shoulder, its quite unbecoming. And by your vitrol curse words "f*cking loser" you obviously have some anger issues it does nothing to cause folks to want to listen to your argument, you come off as another nut job. Quite frankly you sound no different then the hate mongering Jihadists.

Posted by: CaptainGrevious at June 6, 2007 12:14 AM

The way some of you responded to Surek is absolutely repulsive. Captain Grevious says that Surek sounds "no different than the hate mongering Jihadists".

Please explain to me how defending your religion, cultural/religious identity, and/or way of life is an act of hate? When you insult what someone so passionately believes in, YOU are being hateful and cold-hearted.

None of you know me and I have not made a single statement where I have incited hate towards a group of people or violence for that matter.

"Jihadtobejoking" - I'm glad you're feeling the Love, you're on the right track my friend!

"Ynkedoodl2" - "I'm up for sword fighting with a Muhammadan anytime, especially when they insult The Messiah Jesus Christ by comparing him to that demonic delusion: Issa."

Wow, that's scary. First, I would never insult Yeshoa d'men Nassrath, and again, Arabic translations of a person's name does not mean that we're talking about a different person. Remember that the word "Allah" is used by Arabic speaking Christians - you still have never said anything abou that. Second - you would sword fight me? Now who is being violent?

"Isabellathecrusader" - you scare me and I pray to God that my Muslim children never crosses your path because God knows what you would do to them with your sick and violent mentality. I really think you should seek help because you have so much hateness in your heart. Why are you so bloodthirsty?

"Infidel Pride" - Namaste. And please, chill out and go hang out with some desi Muslim friends. I'm hanging out with my Hindu friends this weekend, does that infuriate you? The Open minded Indians that I know (Hindus, Sikhs, Muslims, Christians, Buddhists, etc.) laugh at people like you, but they are also disgusted at people like you. Why are you living in 1947? Why are you living in politics, yaar? Get in touch with your Soul, meditate on life and existence, and the Beauty of Loving others. I've meditated with my Hindu friends before and its a great experience. But wait, I know what you're going to say. You're going to bring up more of the wars that took place between Muslims and Hindus. You're so predictable. The fact of the matter is - when you die, you will be remembered as an intolerant person, as someone who hated people just because of what religion they practiced - is that who you want to be? There is nothing any of you can do to stop Islam because that's genocide, my friends. You are suggesting to kill an entire group of people, and I think what you're really afraid of is that the majority of us are peaceful and loving human beings. If you were my neighbor, I would invite you along this weekend with my friends. We would get lunch and see a movie afterwards and just have a good time being HUMAN.

"champ" - you would never even understand the meaning of a Flower even if it were right in front of your eyes. You're probably horrified when you visit my blog because you see the Beauty of Islam that you thought never existed. You deny it in your heart, but I have faith that our voices will be very loud and we will speak out against ignorance and hate.

Allah hafez.

~JehanZeb~

Posted by: ~JehanZeb~ at June 6, 2007 2:05 AM

~Zeb~

Lets get down to business. Please answer a few of these questions.

1) Do you support Israel? And if you do, then I want you to put it in writing by stating this on JW, "I love and support Israel!"

2) What was your response to 9/11? Were you happy at the news, or were you numb with shock at the news?

3) What are your views on radical Islam? If you are against it, then what are you doing to speak out against it?

Posted by: champ at June 6, 2007 2:24 AM

Champ,

Finally. An attempt to have a progressive and mature discussion as oppossed to calling me a barbarian or a troll or a cult zombie, etc., etc.

1. I do not support the Israeli government for the oppression and brutal occupation of the Palestinian people. However, I do NOT believe that Israel should be wiped off the map nor do I believe the Jews should be killed off. I believe if a Palestinian state is carved out, we would see a huge and significant difference in the region.

2. I was devestated by 9/11. I couldn't go to school and didn't feel like talking to anyone about what happened.

3. Radical Islam. I hate it when Mullahs or Sheikhs say hateful and anti-Jewish things and then say that it is Islam. I am against it and I DO speak out against it. If you visit my blog, you will see that there have been some Muslims who visited and criticized me simply because of the Sufi influences. My short film, which was a Muslim romance was not just made for non-Muslims, but also for extremist Muslims. In an upcoming project, I intend to tell the story of an American Muslim convert and to show the challenges she endures from BOTH sides - from the ignorant westerner to the radical Muslims.

Posted by: ~JehanZeb~ at June 6, 2007 2:45 AM

World Beauty

I don't live in 1947 - 7/11 happened last year. Mohammedans pour into Left Bengal from Bangladesh since then, right up to today, begging the question - why does that fucking country even exist? Every day, Mohammedans in India continue to plot outrages not only in Kashmir, but in the rest of India, as witnessed a couple of weeks ago in Hyderabad. I guess your question should be - why am I still living in last week?

As for the non-Muslims in Lahore that you're 'friends' with, do they really have a choice? They know they'll be lynched if they refuse to befriend Muslims - just look at the way Christians are victimized. No, I don't need to hang around with you taquiyya artists. Let the Muslims in India, as a token gesture, return the 'mosques' in Mathura and Varanasi, for starters, and stop teaching their kids in madrassas that Aurangzeb (any relation of yours?) was great, and it might be worth considering.

Banning Islam from being preached or practiced isn't genocide. Islam is a belief system, much like Nazism or Communism. Muslims who jettison Islam for anything - Athiesm, Christianity, Buddhism, Sikhism, whatever,... would cease to be our enemies. And if enough of them do in any place, Islam automatically disappears.

There are very good reasons I am not and would not be your neighbor, and that far exceeds us living in different countries. If I lived in a Muslim neighborhood, I'd be subject to the Azaan at 4:30AM in the morning, property rates in the locality would plummet, crime would be high (in India, it's invariably high in Muslim majority areas),... But if you were to simply declare yourself a non-Muslim, I'd have no problems with that lunch and movie.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at June 6, 2007 2:54 AM

Gad Zeb, you paint yourself as a gift to Islam and the world. If you are really as swell as you claim you are, and you actually have love in your heart for those who are outside Islam, you should apostate immediatly. If you are that close to sainthood that love of others just oozes from your pore's, you have one foot in apostacy and the other on a bananna peel. If you have superior intelligence as you infer, it would be clear that Allah probably did not write, or send down the Quran. At least there would be a question. No questions, 100% assurity, stunts the intellect, a stunted intellect is not superior.
Islam had a chance to be 'a', not 'the' nearly perfect religion. The power of any religion is not in the philosophy, it is in the rituals. Rituals involve structure and focus, applied for some purpose. Unfortunatly, for Islam the power is in the philosophy, and not the ritual. That's one reason that Islam is not a valid religion. Had the power stayed in the ritual, Islam would be a fine religion, but Mohammad screwed it up...he reversed tha natural current of divinity when he said that bit about no ilah but Allah. The Romans had a saying, the demon is God in reverse, or inverse. 'Demon est Deus inversus'. He put the power in the book. If you have love in your heart for others ouside Islam, non-muslims, non-believers, it comes from you, not the book. Loving is its own ritual that has power. 'Love is the power' St Paul.
If you have it, it does not come from Islam. Islam keep's the current in reverse, love of all other's corrects the course. If you are as smart as you think you are, you will take my advice, apostate right away. You will be surprised how much your poetry improves...Have you ever contemplated love without an object? Try it some time, but dont tell Allah, he hates that kind of stuff...

Posted by: duh_swami at June 6, 2007 4:06 AM

I got here late and have tried to read the posts above.
JehanZeb makes me want to vomit.
I follow no religion but to talk of muhammad and Jesus in the same breath is revolting.
Much evil has been perpetrated in name of religion but Jesus preached love
muhammad preached hate and filth which has been taken to the'nth' degree by his followers.

This world is in a mess right now and it won't get better until islam is eradicated because it is evil incarnate.
I will be happy to continue fighting this evil until my dying breath.

Islamophobic......you bet your life I am.

Posted by: marilyn at June 6, 2007 4:28 AM

Took this from FFI and like most of it because it has to happen one day......soon I hope

Abolishing Islam?

By: Swadhin

After all this brainstorming, beating-around-bushes and dialogues taking place across the world, how bad would be a direct approach - abolishing Islam? Outragerous as it sounds, it is actually simpler and far more effective than most would credit it as being; definitely more candid and honest.

The nations such as Germany and Austria, most severely affected by the ravages of Nazism have banned the expression of pro-Nazi ideas, including publication of books, organized activities and a concerted campaign to defame, marginalize and extinguish neo-Nazism. While the First Amendment may protect the freedom of expression for neo-Nazis, that system of thought and organizations are very isolated in society. Even societies that are rigidly protective of civil rights are prepared to censor the circulation of books and media considered unfit for certain audiences. All schools teach the evils of Nazism, racism, etc. as obvious facts, even though they didn't seem so obvious 60 years ago...

It doesn't seem obvious to most, but the reality is that Islam is destined for the same fate. So why mince words or wait for World War III? Start a campaign of non-violent civil disobedience, of public interest litigation to strip Islam of the status of a religion. Official measures that can help:

(1) Ban the publication, distribution and sale of all pro-Islam media, books, literature and published materials

(2) Outlaw pro-Islamic organizations and organized activities of religious, social and political nature and deport the Islamic "religious leaders," "clerics" and other charlatans. Outlaw Islamic practices such as the burkha and the religious cap and other medieval nonsense.

(3) Shut down all madrassahs and Muslim-majority schools and integrate them within mainstream public schools, diverse student and faculty bodies and modern, scientific curriculum.

(4) Shut down all mosques and convert the buildings into hospitals or schools - something good.

(5) Encourage (not penalize) the criticism of Islam across all media and strata of society. Encourage public debates and encourage society to take this issue head-on.

(6) Severely restrict immigration of Muslims - subject applicants to rigorous citizenship tests, socio-cultural integration and an official renunciation of Islam. Deport those who remain loyal to this hate-mongering cult.

(7) Encourage government agencies, NGOs, police and human rights groups to scour the length and depth of Muslim society to uncover and remedy the countless incidences of abuses against women, arranged marriages, secretive polygamy and practice of Sharia principles.

(8) Last but not least, strip Islam from legal recognition, from government surveys, official sources of information and census. Cease to identify a "Muslim" demographic; factor them out on ethnic and national origin. "Non-religious" or "Agnostic" is certainly better to being identified as a Muslim.

(9) Encourage, provide opportunities for former Muslims to progress, obtain more education, become a normal part of a healthy society, instead of being disease-ridden, frothing, rabies-spreading stray dogs living on the mercy and fear of passers-by. Save them from being taken to the pound and the passers-by from being bitten and infected.

(10) Point out the obvious - the evil suras of the Qur'an calling for hate and violence, the backward, senseless and abusive laws of the Shariat, the bloody history of Islam (continuing today). Case closed.

This can be achieved in European and North American countries, in the South American nations and in yet-to-be-Islamized nations such as India, China, Russia and Southeast Asia. Peaceful but determined agitation and sacrifice from normal people can drown out the cries of "racism" from frothing Muslims. This courage, frankness and determination will force Muslims to shiver and respect the fortitude of the "Kaffirs," those "filthy najis."

Posted by: marilyn at June 6, 2007 4:36 AM

"Isabellathecrusader" - you scare me and I pray to God that my Muslim children never crosses your path because God knows what you would do to them with your sick and violent mentality. I really think you should seek help because you have so much hateness in your heart. Why are you so bloodthirsty?

Sorry Zeb, but you're a liar and you know it. I don't have any "hateness" in my heart towards you or your children, just the diabolical "god" you serve and the atrocities that your people commit in the name of it. Why don't you answer my questions? Is it easier for you to change the subject and place blame on everybody here than respond to the obvious, i.e., that you know exactly what you are doing, that you are totally okay with any kind of aberrated behavior that will further the cause of Islam and that you couldn't care less if we die or any of your fellow Muslims die as long as Allah gets his way. Of course it is! Did they teach you that neat little trick at your madrassa? Or did you learn it on the debating team when you were attending one of our American universities?

Here, let me help you. Here are the questions again so you don't have to be bothered with scrolling back up. Tell me you don't believe in this stuff and then we'll talk:

"So Jehan, you are opposed, at the risk of apostacy, to killing Muslims who leave Islam for another religion? And you are opposed to death threats against Salman Rushdie and Hirsi Ali because of their differing opinions of Islam? And it's okay for a non-Muslim woman to walk down the street of, say, Cairo, without wearing a head scarf because, let's face it, as a Christian I don't believe in it and it's against my religion to wear the veil?"

BTW, you said:

"Please explain to me how defending your religion, cultural/religious identity, and/or way of life is an act of hate?"

My question right back atcha.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at June 6, 2007 5:53 AM

There is nothing any of you can do to stop Islam because that's genocide, my friends. You are suggesting to kill an entire group of people

Posted by JehanZeb

Genocide? At the risk of causing offense to all who are of a ‘religious persuasion’, that is those who subscribe to the belief in an invisible omnipotent being who keeps an eye on every move you make and will damn your immortal soul to hell if you transgress any of the multitude of sins listed in the many tomes of medieval superstition (a bit like the Tooth Fairy and Easter Bunny but more vicious), you need professional help. Just my humble opinion, for what it’s worth.
But the way to paradise is education, not genocide. Religious fanatics who would take up arms to promote or enforce their doctrine upon the rest of us (me in particular) need a good dose of education. What kind of sick perverted entity would take pleasure or gratification from the horrors we have seen committed in his name? The death and squalor we see in the Middle East, the cradle of Christianity and Islam, is a fine example of a kind and loving God?......we are all god’s children? Well child services need to be called out and a court order slapped on this entity for severe dereliction of duty. Perhaps he’s off on his tea break and missed all this carnage?
However I do keep an open mind, believe it or not, and I look forward to seeing the news report on CNN where the camera points skyward to reveal the parting of the clouds and the Big Hand (with the pointed finger, ‘cause that’s essential) followed by the booming voice which says “ Excuse me, I’m actually a big fan of the Buddhists!”.
Hey if there's a God he must have a sense of humour, right?

Posted by: Jihadtobejoking at June 6, 2007 6:21 AM

@JehanZeb: Do you seriously think that Islam is just going to run rabid across the American landscape without a halt?

I'm here to tell you -- not gonna happen.

Not one Muslim needs to die in the United States to stop your cult from multiplying here and overturning our Constitution. All that needs to happen is for you and others like you to use your happy feet to get yourselves on the nearest boat or plane and leave.

So let's assume that instead, you'll stay. You'll be very patient, perhaps keep a low profile with the other 5,999,999 Muslims in the USA. You'll wait for our system to implode and then your great grandchildren will grow up in an Islamist nation in just a couple of generations because all the "extremist" Muslims will have broken the will of the USA and you "moderates" will be around to clean up the mess and put things "right".

That's what you wish for isn't it?

My advice to you is the same I have given to every American Muslim that would listen -- leave Islam.

Trust me when I tell you that I'm doing you a favor right now in saying that, because the future is not what you think it will be. Consider me and many others here in the JW comments as supreme evidence that the Juggernaut of Islam is about to hit the Immovable Object of America.

The war has already begun.

Posted by: Foehammer at June 6, 2007 9:48 AM

Jihadtobejoking;

*Loud squealing whistle*

BBBOOOOOOOMMMMM!!!!!!!!

Talk about dropping a virtual bomb on this religious battle.

Posted by: Abrog8 at June 6, 2007 9:54 AM

"No matter how sweet -- no matter how strong the perfume from the flower might be -- you cannot cover up the foul stench beneath."---From a poster above.

(Cue evil cackling)

Wicked Witch of the West: "...Something with poison in it... Poppies...."

Posted by: Abscedere at June 6, 2007 10:40 AM

@JehanZeb

I wouldn't swordfight you because you're a woman.

If you were a Muhammadan male, you would have already threatened to chop my face off my head.

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at June 6, 2007 1:04 PM

~Zeb~

I'm not surprised by your response to my first question, and we will just have to agree to disagree about your comment of the "Jews brutal occupation of the Palestinians" -- because that is a lie! But I do agree that the Palestinians should have their own Palestinian state. But where?

One solution -- there is an enormous amount of space in the Middle East that the Palestinians could govern, as the Middle East certainly isn't lacking in real estate. And you may want to review this website that shows a map of the Middle East and gives a time-line of events, down to when the Jews RETURNED TO THEIR HOMELAND:

http://www.masada2000.org/historical.html

Your answer to question # 1 suggests you want the Jews to leave Israel, which I am NOT in support of, but I want to hear it from you -- since you were a little vague in your above answer. Do you want to see them leave? You said you don't want the Jews "killed off", as you put it, or for them to be "wiped off of the map". So what DO you want to see happen, because you didn't make that very clear?

As to other posters labeling you a "cult member", come on! This is Jihad Watch! Note the headlines posted on Jihad Watch! They expose the evil of Islam!

If you want to stick your head in the sand and focus on the Softer-Side-of-Islam then FINE -- but that isn't what JW is about. It's about telling the truth, and exposing the ugly side of Islam; so I'm afraid you won't get much support on this forum.

You remind me of the protective parent whose son is standing trial for murder; and you stand up in court and yell, "But Judge, he's a good boy, really he is! He's a good des