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Quick, call up the Organization of the Islamic Conference and ask them how they'd feel about a "land for peace" deal here. Would they get the irony?
"Turkish officials: Troops enter Iraq," by Selcan Hacaoglu for the Associated Press:
ANKARA, Turkey - Several thousand Turkish troops crossed into northern Iraq early Wednesday to chase Kurdish guerrillas who attack Turkey from bases there, two Turkish security officials said. Turkey's foreign minister denied its troops had entered Iraq.
Two senior security officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to talk to the media, characterized the action as a "hot pursuit" raid that was limited in scope. They told The Associated Press it did not constitute the kind of large incursion that Turkish leaders have been discussing in recent weeks as Turkish troops built up their force along the border.
One official said the troops went less than two miles inside Iraq and were still there in late afternoon. "It is a hot pursuit, not an incursion," one official said.
Another official said by telephone it was "not a major offensive and the number of troops is not in the tens of thousands." He also said the Turkish troops went into a remote, mountainous area.
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Turkey's private NTV television quoted Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul as saying reports of a cross-border operation were false.
"There is no such thing, "We are in a war with terror, we will do whatever is necessary to fight terrorism."
Posted by Marisol at June 6, 2007 2:07 PM
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The White House said there has been "no new activity" in northern Iraq to justify the press reports. Gordon Johndroe, a spokesman for the White House's National Security Council, said that U.S. officials in the region have confirmed that the activity is a continuation of Turkey's years-long campaign against the Kurdish PKK guerrillas of Kurdistan Workers' Party.
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Nothing to see here, folks. Move along and disperse!
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at June 6, 2007 2:19 PM
There's a rich irony here. The US is deeply opposed to a Turkish occupation of Iraqi side of that border, on the grounds that it interferes with US attempts to "stand up" a national government that will keep Iraq from become a base for "terrorism". Meanwhile, Iraqi Kurdistan is a base for PKK "terrorism." It's just that the PKK doesn't directly threaten US interests.
We should partition the place and let them fight it out among themselves.
Posted by: Dhimmisoftheworldunite
at June 6, 2007 2:40 PM
Somebody phone the White House and see if the President's up yet.
Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at June 6, 2007 2:51 PM
Muslim vs. Muslim? This must be that "inner" jihad everyone is talking about.
Posted by: tanstaafl at June 6, 2007 3:13 PM
Somebody phone the White House and see if the President's up yet.
(White house Telephone) Ring. Ring. Ring.
(Voice) Halo? Que Paso?
(Caller) Uhhh...is this the White House?
(Voice) Halo? Aqui esta La Casa Blanca, Que Paso?
(Caller) Yeah, can I speak with Mr. Bush please, he is up, isn't he?
(Voice) Seen-your Boosh? Noooo, no esta aqui! Seen-your es in may-he-ko man!
(Caller) Can you tell seen-your boosh ... uhhh.. Mr. Bush, that Turkey has invaded Iraq?
(Voice) No tenemos turkey hoy. Comiste pan tostado con cafe?
(Caller) Huhhh?
(White House Telephone) Click, dial-tone.
Posted by: witness at June 6, 2007 3:17 PM
Will someone from France, EU, or UN, or even the MSM for that fact be screaming that this is a 'disappropriate use of force, response, and size'?
Or are those comments of condemnation reserved only when Israel protects itself?
No one is condeming Lebanon for their 'refugee camp sanitization' and I am sure no one will condem Turkey. The U.S. as it appears will even say it is not happening.
Is the U.S. going to 'sell out' the Kurds AGAIN?
Unless no one points this out, Turkey (a NATO country) would be in violation of NATO if they did not inform the U.S. prior to going into Iraq. And if they did inform the U.S. then why are we denying it?
Either Turkey is breaking NATO agreements, or the U.S. is lying?
Posted by: alaskan1000 at June 6, 2007 4:05 PM
Hmmm.. This story is nowhere to be found on al-BBC - not even the 'breaking' ticker. They do mention yesterday's border-post incursion at Pulumur that left 7 Turkish soldiers dead, though. The day-old article mentions that:
"The attack comes amid speculation Turkey may launch an incursion into Iraq to tackle Kurdish rebels following recent rebel operations inside Turkey".
My first take (and I could well be wrong) is that this is a non-story designed to give the Islamic-rooted governing party (AKP) some anti-terror cred points in the eyes of Turkish secularists, ahead of next month's elections.
They will see through it, though.
Posted by: Un:dhimmi at June 6, 2007 5:11 PM
Internecine warefare among the mahometans is the Civilized World's best chance for interim survival until such time as her citizens awaken from the deep slumber that has been induced by heavy overdoses of muslim propaganda. It is (or should be) virtually risk-free for the Infidel. The Lebanese army is doing far worse to the local 'palestineans' than Israel ever did, and the 'arab street' is hardly raising an eyebrow. The mahometans are, like their revered 'prophet', a fundamentally paranoid lot, thin-skinned and ready to believe the worst about anyone outside their immediate tribe, essentially convinced that the "others" are driven by the same vile motives that they themselves are. Fomenting troubles in the muslim world is like shooting fish in a barrel.
Posted by: Infidel33 at June 6, 2007 5:25 PM
Just tallking about that the other day here. They want that northern part. Now why would the Kurdish attack Turkey troops? Sounds bizarre to say the least!
Posted by: MZ at June 6, 2007 5:47 PM
Road to Gitmo revisited:
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at June 6, 2007 6:27 PM
"We are in a war with terror, we will do whatever is necessary to fight terrorism."
Shade's of George Bush. How can he argue with that when he invented the 'war on terror', or 'terra', as he likes's to say it.
Allah is having his own 'war on terror', with terror, by blasting Iran with a huge cyclone. These are so rare that no one can remember having any. It's the wrath of Allah. He is tired of Beasty Boy, the Ayatollah, and the rest of the mullahcrats, so he is going to give em what for. Beasty better go bunk up in the well with Mahdi, and hope he has a good drainage system...
at June 6, 2007 6:33 PM
duh_swami
It has nothing to do with Allah (swat!)
This cyclone is a Jewish-Zionist plot!
Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at June 6, 2007 6:40 PM
Go, Turks, go! Take over all of Iraq and you can have it with my blessing!
Posted by: jewdog at June 6, 2007 7:57 PM
Ynkedoodl2 & witness - That was good . . .and it would be funny if not so close to the truth. LOL! And too close to the truth for comfort.
Posted by: justamomof4 at June 6, 2007 8:04 PM
Elias's link reminds us that Iraq was once a Christian region and that the Assyrians, who are now Christian, were in Mesopotania before Islam, Shia or Sunnis existed. Christians in Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Lebanon, and, albeit to a smaller degree, even Isreal, are second class citizens and largely ignored by the US in policy decisions. This is at least in part why the US refuses to condemn Turkey for its unapologetic mass killings of Christians.
Posted by: Alek at June 6, 2007 8:26 PM
it has started........
WW3 is underway..........
war will be waged across the world.
more will be killed and die than can be imagined.
Jesus Christ told the disciples that he would return when the gentiles no longer tread - govern - Jerusalem before that generation passes away....Israel took back Jerusalem in 1967....
a bibical generation is 40 years......
it just may be an interesting summer.......
WW3 has to be fought before Jesus Christ returns......stars will fall out of the sky..........island will disappear and mountains will be moved........nukes across the lands.....
Jersualem will be surrounded........and the battle will see millions die at armageddon.
America has been and is being invaded from the south......how many terrorists live in your neighborhood now??????????
prepare.........be armed..........be ready
The Texican.
God Family America Freedom the only choice at any cost.
at June 6, 2007 9:39 PM
Here is a site I found a few weeks ago.
It shows world wide terrorist events. Kind of like Google Earth. All I found was a bombing in Turkey in a town called Tunceli, yesterday. Here is the link to an article about the bombing from Capetown.
This might be what is behind this move in Iraq.
Posted by: Im.made.as.hell! at June 6, 2007 11:15 PM
Don't you think we are being a bit over zealous here!
george has done a great job of making my kids targets when they go on vacatiion to europe.
they study music and dance and quite frankly the cost of sending them equipped with kevlar whilst going to the theatrre is now higher than the plane tickets..
thanks george you you complete and utter idiot !!!
pete
Posted by: Peter at June 7, 2007 12:58 AM
Oh for goodness sake all of you. If we're going to "fight a war on terror" let's stop pussyfooting.
Posted by: marilyn at June 7, 2007 1:23 AM
Pete I completely agree with you, George is an idiot. The problem here is that George is not the reason this problem exists, he's someone who is perpetuating the problem.
The Turks wether George, Bill or Hillary are running the show have and will always have a free pass from the Mainstream media, and the White House.
The Turks have systematically destroyed Christianity within its borders, and will annhialate the Kurds as well.
Islamic militancy is what fuels all of this, and George is just too stupid to see there are no friends in the mid east, and Turkey is a threat to the entire world. Should Turkey gain entry into the EU, Europe and then the rest of the world will eventually collapse.
Hopefully there is a western leader out there who will recognize this.
Posted by: The fanatic at June 7, 2007 1:25 AM
This incursion/invasion is a front for what Turkey really wants :
1.Stop the formation of a Kurdish homeland.
2.Oil of Kirkuk and Mosul
3.Territory of Northen Iraq.
How will it attempt to do this ?
By using the turcoman population which is different to the Turks as part of the Turkish national myth of pan-Turania and the Greater Turkey of 120 million people.
Turkey even has a national flag for the Iraqi Turcomans made up and circulating in Northern Iraq. It is exactly like the Turkish-Cypriot flag except the background is shell-blue and the symbols white.
All-in-all, this is a Turkish nationalist adventure.I am absolutely sure that the United States privately agreed to what they are now doing as long as they do not "cross the line".Publicly though the United States will deny this so as not to upset the Kurds or even the Iraqi Government.
Posted by: purplemarbles at June 7, 2007 5:04 AM
Hi I'm Alban. I'm Albanian and I'm here to tell all that islam is very, very moderate within the Albanian inhabited lands of the Balkans. There are far mor radical moslems in the U.S. than in Albania (meaning all of the albanian lands whether free or still occupied). All Albanian muslims whom are very, very moderate are aware of their christian heritage/roots and proud of it. We are the most pro-American people in the Balkans if not all of Europe. If you look at photos or video footage of the KLA during the Kosova Liberation War 1999 you will see men and women dressed in U.S. military style fatigues where 99% of all the men especially the young men are clean shaven. They were definately not jihadists. Example: they sang only patriotic songs to lift their moral not religious (islamic) songs or prayers. They did not ever prey to allah because religion especially islam had nothing to do with the war. Fact: There were many christian and non-religious fighters in the KLA. The KLA was made up of Pro-Western individuals only. Yes, there my have been the odd fucked up individual that entered to fight against serbs because they were christian but they were barely worth mentioning and had absolutely no power, official voice or influence whatsoever. I know this from first hand exp. Albanians are only muslim because of forced conversions and we all know this. That is why religion plays virtually no role in our life. All we care about is freedom and joining the west. Coming back home. Just talk to 99.99% of our youth. Do not talk to the 0.00001% of brainwashed wahabi youth that you could probably find more of in any western country.
Posted by: Alban at June 7, 2007 6:08 AM
Alban
If what you say is true and I am taking you at your word. Talk, write and convince your Albanian brethren to renounce Islam publicly. This should be a political statement more than a religious one. From what you said they are not practicing Muslim's anyway. Freedom is a two edged sword. Freedom gives chooses, this is the opposite of Islam, making the wrong choose can be as bad as being under Islam. Activelly seeking the truth, wort's and all, takes more work but this is the better choose.
Posted by: Im.made.as.hell! at June 7, 2007 12:26 PM
well.. does that mean that the US Forces can go intgo Pakiland in "hot pursuit" of Taleban and al kaida?
Posted by: Allahfanculo at June 7, 2007 3:45 PM
Alban, what do you think of this? Personally I don't believe you one bit.
http://www.frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=28597
Posted by: The fanatic at June 7, 2007 11:39 PM
PKK (or Kurdistan Worker's Party as they call it) is not a political party. It is a terrorist group. And it has nothing to do with Kurdish-rooted Turkey citizens.
What is more is, before the US invaded Iraq, Iraq has granted operational access on northern Iraq territory so that Turkey can strike on PKK terrorists (not guerilla!). However, the newly formed government doesn't seem to be willing to honor that agreement.
Did US ask Turkey's permission, or NATO's, before invading Iraq?
If you are supposed to be fighting terrorism, and if you want your propaganda to be sound, you have to fight or stop protecting all the terrorists around the world. You may be thinking of utilizing PKK against AlQaeda but does this make you a terrorist fighter? If you don't want to bother striking against PKK with your all other plans going on, that is alright too. You might just let Turkey in to wipe northern Iraq of PKK. In the long term, you will have less to worry about. But if you don't fight terrorist PKK, and you don't let Turkey fight terrorist PKK, what the heck are you doing in Iraq? Are you in to fight terrorism or to fight for oil reserves?
Posted by: comkedi at June 9, 2007 4:46 PM
"And it has nothing to do with Kurdish-rooted Turkey citizens."
By this I mean, there are lots of Kurdish-rooted Turkey citizens living at peace and want to live at peace. In Pulumur, most of the soldiers killed by the PKK attack was Kurdish-rooted for example.
Posted by: comkedi at June 9, 2007 4:48 PM
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