Iran reminds of what you hear about Germany before WW2. France was superior militarily, and had they taken down the Germans the World War would of been avoided.. like Iran, the Naziz protrayed more power than what they actually had. The Western world has a chance now to take iran down from afar, ie arerial bombings of specific areas, enough to make Iran concentrate on their own infracture and perhaps change leaderships, but this window is getting more narrow with each month and year.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at June 10, 2007 7:51 AM

And the 1930s provides a lesson for those who fail to respond to danger whilst it can still be dealt with, and instead put blind and misguided faith in futile negotiations with demagogues who were intent on a war at a time of their own choosing. The opportunity to take on Germany was still there whilst the Spanish Civil war was still raging, and Germany's best pilots were still engaged there. We paid a massive penalty for not going to war straight after Munich in 1938. We are here again, in 2007 with Iran, and must this year have to be compared with 1938 by future historians, because like in 1938, we did nothing, because of appeasers, so-called peaceniks, and a media who will immediately start harping on about civilian casualties as soon as the first bomb hits the ground, should we actually do something about Iran.

Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at June 10, 2007 8:35 AM

@Spirit Of 1683
"should we actually do something about Iran."

I think something needs to be done about the unnaturaly large voice that the deluded left has in the media especialy , as compared to the "silent majority" What can we do though?,this brainwashing begins young its too ingrained in some people.I mean you have to be insane or insincere if you ignore the attrocities of the islamists and just focus on what Israel and America do.This whole situation is very frustrating to ponder,our strength and our treasure is being used up in other areas,I really believe we need a draft to actualy tackle the threat of Islam properly and add a little wartime patriotism and viola(

Posted by: tscipio at June 10, 2007 9:13 AM

Mr. Spencer... How long has it been 1938? A year has only 365 days.

Posted by: The Resistance at June 10, 2007 10:18 AM

Is that a threat or a promise?

Posted by: Hugh at June 10, 2007 10:35 AM

IT'S ALL ABOUT IRAN

A DRAMATIC NEW APPROACH TO IRAN

We need to deal with Iran now otherwise the US will be left at one minute to midnight with no other option but to attack Iran. The longer the US waits to impose a meaningful sanction regime against Iran, the greater the necessity of military action will become - with all the potential disastrous political and economic consequences for both parties.

THE REALITY IS THE US DOES NOT NEED CHINA OR RUSSIA TO INPOSE SANCTIONS AGAINST IRAN. THE US CAN IMPOSE DEVASTATING RECIPROCAL SANCTIONS

There is an impending political and military catastrophe facing America and Europe in the Middle East. This catastrophe will lead to a disastrous disruption of oil supplies that will force oil prices to $10.00/$20.00/gallon and throw the world economy into a massive recession affecting all world economies epically the developing economies of China and India. This could cause political instability on a world wide scale. The reality of the situation is that you can talk with the Iranian leadership until you are blue in the face - AND NOTHING WILL BE ACHIEVED. Iran is marching forward to obtaining a nuclear weapon and will not be stopped with endless talk. TIME IS NOT ON OUR SIDE.

The United States is engaged in a Life and Death Struggle for its national survival. Islamic Fundamentalists, Iran and want to inflict a mortal wound. The United States faces the greatest strategic defeat in its national history.

If the US is forced out of Iraq the following disaster will ensue.

1. The Iraqi government immediately collapses.
All Iraqis who supported the Government and US flee the country by the hundreds of thousands.

2. Iran immediately steps into the power vacuum supporting the seizure of Baghdad by their radical Shiite militia allies.

3. A radical Shiite Islamic government is imposed on Iraq.

4. A podium against the Sunnis begins with millions killed. The survivors are driven out of the country.

5. One million Hezbollah style fighters are enlisted into the radical Shiite Militias. (If Hezbollah can muster an army of fifty thousand fighters from a Lebanese population of 1.5 million Shiites - then in Iraq a Hezbollah style government would create an army of one million Shiite fanatics.)

6. This force in alliance with the Iranian army captures Riyadh within weeks and seizes the Gulf States.

7. They then march into Jordon creating a Shiite Crescent stretching from Iran to the Suez Canal and from the Mediterranean Sea to the Russian Cossacks.

8. As previously mentioned - with 80% of the world's oil, under Iran's control the price will soar to $10.00/20.00 per gallon.

9. Israel is attacked with rockets on all sides effectively shutting down the Israeli economy and destroying the Jewish state.

10. After obtaining nuclear weapons, Iran unleashes terrorist forces worldwide attacking Europe and the US.

11. These terrorists smuggle nuclear weapons into London, Paris, Washington, New York and kill millions.

This nightmare does not have to happen.

TOUGH LOVE AND IRAN

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and the Supreme ruling Alloyatolls see the 21st century not as the century of the rise of China or India but as the century of the Great Shiite Revival - the Rise of the Shiites. After 1400 years of Sunni domination and oppression, they see Sunni dominance not only in the Middle East but over Islam itself coming to an end.

Ahamadinejad wants to establish a Great Shiite Persian Empire stretching from Tehran to the Red Sea and from the Mediterranean Sea to the Caucasus regions of Russia, to the very borders of China - incorporating all the Gulf States, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Lebanon, Israel, Syria, Iraq, Azerbaijan, Chechnya, Ingushetia, Dagestan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan and parts of Afghanistan and Pakistan, under the direct control or controlled as vassal states by Iran. This empire would directly control 80% of the entire world oil supply. Iran is a mortal threat not only to Israel but to all the Sunni Arab States. Only the might of the United States stands in the way of this Great Imperial Dream.

There is the saying "When times get tough - the tough get going." Unfortunately at this moment - with the total lack of any kind of Western Leadership, this saying has been replaced by "When times get tough - the tough get talking and talking and talking." In the West talking has become a form of appeasement - a way to show that action is being taken - that the tough Western dudes are beating up on Ahmadinejad, when in reality we're getting our clocks cleaned. Ahmadinejad is going for the Great World Political Poker Championship jackpot with a pair of deuces. Everyone sitting at the game knows that all he has to play is a pair of twos and nobody is calling his hand. Its time to stop playing pocket polo. Its time to call his bluff with our 8 pairs of aces.

Just as the CIA, MI5, French Secret Service, the KGB, all the world's secret services, even Iraqi generals thought that Saddam Hussein possessed weapons of mass destruction when we now know he had none - grossly overestimated Iraq's nuclear capabilities to say the least, so too with regard to Iran - all these agencies could be grossly underestimating the Iranian Nuclear Program. The United States does not want to be placed in a position of Iran being months away from going nuclear and forced to face the very harsh reality of attacking Iran. Where force is the only option left. A Tough Love Sanctions Regime must be immediately imposed on Iran. Time for talking at the UN is over. IT'S TIME FOR TOUGH LOVE IRANIAN STYLE.

TOUGH LOVE IRANIAN SANCTIONS

The United States with or without EU support immediately imposes economic and political sanctions against Iran. The sanction regime is divided into 4 parts - Defcom 1 to Defcom 4 with each phase commencing every 30 days and staying in effect until the crisis is resolved. Within the space of 4 months Iran will be under total world wide devastating economic sanctions. ANY INDIVIDUAL, CORPORATION, COUNTRY THAT DISOBEYS ANY PART OF THE SANCTION REGIME - THEN THE TOTALITY OF THE ENTIRE SANCTION REGIME IMMEDIATELY APPLIES TO THEM.

DEFCON 1 SANCTIONS

Under Defcon 1 sanctions Iran is immediately hit with the following measures:

1. The cutting off of all military and nuclear technology, materials, training, building including the Bushehr nuclear power plant being built by the Russians.

2. The suspension of all flights - both private and commercial aircraft in or out of Iran.

3. The worldwide banning of all Iranian passports.

4. Severing all banking relationships between all Iranian Government agencies/officials/organizations, banks, companies, front companies with the entire world banking community.

5. The freezing of all Iranian assets throughout the world including all assets of Iranian Government, Iranian companies, front companies, government officials/organizations.

DEFCON 2

In 30 days, if Iran refuses to stop all uranium enrichment and sit down at the table in good faith then the imposition of the following Defcon 2 Sanctions:

1. The immediate stoppage of all forms of transportation coming in or out of Iran including, buses, automobiles, boats. Only oil tankers would be exempt.

2. Cutting off of all satellite signals, phone lines, internet connections, electricity etc.

3. The complete closure of all border crossings to Iran.

4. The complete shutting down of all economic activity/trade with the outside world except for the importation of gasoline into Iran and the export of oil and gas out of Iran.

DEFCON 3

Thirty days after the imposition of Defcon 2 sanctions, the start of Defcon 3:

1. The importation of gasoline into Iran to be ceased by all countries, companies and individuals.

DEFCON 4

120 days after the start of the first sanction regime - Defcon 4 - the stoppage of all payments for Iranian oil and gas exports - NOT THE STOPPAGE OF THE EXPORT OF IRANIAN OIL AND GAS. JUST THE PAYMENTS FOR THESE PRODUCTS.

Iran can export oil and gas to China etc but the Chinese and other countries can not send money or any other financial instruments to Iran. In short - the oil/gas flows out but no money flows in. If Iran decides to stop the export of oil to certain countries but not to others like China, then under this sanction regime all countries including China must help the affected country or countries. In short, share the pain of oil shortages. If any country refuses to cooperate then the totality of these sanctions will be imposed immediately on them

DEFCON 5

The bombing of Iranian nuclear facilities.

DEFCON 6

The invasion of Iran.

Any force against Iran must be as a last resort. This includes any naval blockade. These are measures to be used only if and when Iran is on the verge of getting a bomb.

Again, if any country, company, or individual chooses to disobey these sanctions then THE TOTALITY OF THE SANCTIONS IMMEDIATELY APPLIES TO THEM. For example, if China decides to continue trading with Iran then all trade between China and ALL countries, companies, individuals immediately ceases. All Chinese container ships on their way to the US or any other country must be turned back. All international flights in or out of China cease. All Chinese passports to be null and void etc. If any country decides to continue to trade with China then the totality of the sanctions immediately applies to them. And so on.

This sanction regime is absolutely devastating. Having these sanctions apply to any country who decides to ignore them will totally devastate that countries economy. THIS LINKAGE GIVES THESE SANCTIONS TOUGH LOVE FURIOUS TEETH.

The smile/smirk on Ahmadinejad's face will be wiped clean. Most important - the flow of oil does not stop unless Iran chooses to stop it. Only the money flow stops. By not cutting off the oil/gas flow Iran is faced with a dilemma. If it decides to stop the export of these commodities then Iran will definitely lose the support of its two closest allies - Russia/China. These reciprocal sanctions give cover to the EU, Russia and China who can claim to Iran that this situation is not their fault - they have no choice - it is the big, bad USA. The oil gets shipped and the buyer countries send the payments for Iran to a UN trust account until an agreement has been reached. If however Iran resorts to acts of force/ terrorism etc or actually builds a nuclear device then all accumulated monies are immediately forfeited.

If these sanctions do not work then the US will have to attack Iran with all the military, political and economic consequences.

Written By,

Larry Houle
E-mail: intermedusa@yahoo.com
www.iran democracy.net

Posted by: Larry at June 10, 2007 10:39 AM

Larry,
And just who is going to enforce all these sanctions?

Posted by: Caratacus at June 10, 2007 10:59 AM

with 80% of the world's oil, under Iran's control the price will soar to $10.00/20.00 per gallon.
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not if the futures market is shutdown........

and the feds can do this at any time...........

there is no reason that oil should be over $30 per barrel currently, only driven up by the futures market....

as to Iran, nuke their military bases and nuclear facilites and tehran............

and who will do what about it.........

Neither russia nor china wants a nuclear war on our terms..........

If the US strikes first it all gets put to bed.........including utrning mecca and medina into glass..........

inform paki land to give up their nukes or suffer the same fate...........

Posted by: Texican at June 10, 2007 11:11 AM

with 80% of the world's oil, under Iran's control the price will soar to $10.00/20.00 per gallon.
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not if the futures market is shutdown........

and the feds can do this at any time...........

there is no reason that oil should be over $30 per barrel currently, only driven up by the futures market....

as to Iran, nuke their military bases and nuclear facilites and tehran............

and who will do what about it.........

Neither russia nor china wants a nuclear war on our terms..........

If the US strikes first it all gets put to bed.........including turning mecca and medina into glass..........

inform paki land to give up their nukes or suffer the same fate...........

Posted by: Texican at June 10, 2007 11:12 AM

"...
Mr. Spencer... How long has it been 1938? A year has only 365 days.
Posted by: The Resistance [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 10, 2007 10:18 AM
..."

Do you not know any 20'th century history, or are you trying to ignore it? 1938 was a significant year in European and world history. The Islamic radicals and certain radicalized national leaders are repeating the rhetoric and actions of Nazi Germany during the 1930's. You should review, or learn, the history of Europe during the 1930's and 1940's.

And since you asked:
2007 - 1938 = 69 years
69 years x 365 days = 25,185 days

Posted by: getrealnow4 at June 10, 2007 11:58 AM

Oh, come on. The France/Germany - US-Israel/Iran analogy is flawed. The US military could easily wipe out Iran; that is not in question, and there is little chance that that will change in the next 50 years. Iran simply doesn't have the economy to sustain such a military, despite its oversized ambitions.

It is time for America to use its soft power first before its military power. It is easy for Jihadwatch armchair generals to say, just drop some bombs; but, as demonstrated by the failure in Iraq, it is better to use pressure to get your way then to use your power, and expose its limits.

The fact is that we in the US are a powerful nation, but that power comes, in part, from its ability to develop leverage and trust with other nations. Acting like a bully does not inspire trust, which does not create the cooperation with the rest of the world that we need to sustain our position. We have not demonstrated this type of attitude for a long time, which only hurts our interests. That is, if you care about America - which many in the world used to look to for leadership.

Posted by: ReligionofPeas at June 10, 2007 12:18 PM

Debka Reports: Syrian and Iranian Generals in Intensive War Consultations

June 9, 2007, 3:06 PM (GMT+02:00)
Iran's Mottaki and Syria's Assad clinch partnership for war

"The strategic allies have taken further steps to tighten coordination between their armed forces from the top down. They are acting on Iranian intelligence’s prediction that the US and Israel have drawn up joint plans to attack Iran, Syria and Hizballah in the coming months. Syria is taking fresh weapons supplies from Russia and Iran."

"Tehran and Damascus are arming Hizballah and Hamas to inflame three fronts against Israel."

Posted by: sounder at June 10, 2007 12:21 PM

If Iran fire's missile's at Arab state's, who are the Arab state's going to be pzzed at, Israel? This sound's like a plan that could literally blow up in their face's. Of course, the fanatical Beasty Boy and his mullah bosse's would probably prefer that.
It might actually bring out Mahdi. Maitreya would have to come out of hiding and proclaim himself. I wonder if Beasty Boy know's that Maitreya is Mahdi.
Maitreya get's his marching order's from an alien race called the 'Elohim'. They are supposedly a human form of very advanced being's from across the galaxy. They are here to 'help us'.
Yeah right...I wonder if Beasty Boy has ever heard of Maitreya? I wonder if Maitreya has ever heard of Beasty?
I only bring this up because Maitreya claim's to be the 'last prophet'. He is a conlomerate of spiritual being's including Mahdi. Since I am convinced that Mahdi was a figment of Mohammads's imagination. That Mohammad, trying to surpass Jesus in importance, needed his own 'messiah', to compete, thus was born the character and legend of 'Mahdi'. That Maitreya see's credibility in the Mahdi legend, wreck's his own credibility.
When thing's get hot and heavy enough, Beasty will present Mahdi, then we will see who it really is...

Posted by: duh_swami at June 10, 2007 12:23 PM

@ ReligionofPeas at June 10, 2007 12:18 PM

I believe your ostrich policies were tested quite unsuccessfully with Germany in the 1930's and with Iraq under Saddam Hussein during the 1990's. It did not really work too well with the Soviet Union (USSR) either. Had President Regan not forced the Russians to spend themselves into oblivion, 'talking' would not worked there either.

You realize that by rooting for the Islamists you are rooting against a civilized world. By resorting to a tough talk only policy you will not be able to stop a world wide caliphate and dhimmi for all, including yourself. A talk only policy is, in effect, rooting for the bad guys.

Posted by: getrealnow4 at June 10, 2007 12:45 PM

Is that a threat or a promise?
Posted by: Hugh

Oh Hugh, you crack me up! The problem with a promise that our gas prices will shoot easily to $6 a gallon although it would be nice to see them self destruct.

Posted by: Bonniea at June 10, 2007 1:12 PM

From Fox News /[AP]

"WASHINGTON — Sen. Joseph Lieberman said Sunday the United States should consider a military strike against Iran because of Tehran's involvement in Iraq."

"I think we've got to be prepared to take aggressive military action against the Iranians to stop them from killing Americans in Iraq," Lieberman said. "And to me, that would include a strike over the border into Iran, where we have good evidence that they have a base at which they are training these people coming back into Iraq to kill our soldiers."

Posted by: sounder at June 10, 2007 1:49 PM

Larry,

I think you're right on many points posted above, but if Iran attacks Israel, Israel will nuke them. If Iran tries to take over Saudi oil fields, we will nuke them. Cheney recently delivered a message to Saudi King Abdullah stating that if Iran does not stop its nuclear program, Bush will attack before he leaves office. We have a large contingent of war ships sitting of the coast of Iran and are massing troops along the Iraq/Iran border. We aren't doing that for nothing, and I believe Bush will attack next year because Iran will not stop their nuclear proliferation under any circumstances, even if we impose sanctions. For the moment we're trying to go it the UN way because of the hell we've caught for invading Iraq. Iran's days are numbered.

Cordially,
Bonnie

Posted by: Bonniea at June 10, 2007 1:50 PM

After the nuclear capabilities are destroyed, let them try whatever they want.

We can then take out their entire infrastructure if they like.

EMP weapons, et al.

As long as they can't threaten us with a nuke, the rest is tolerable.

Posted by: profitsbeard at June 10, 2007 2:55 PM

bonniea said

Cheney recently delivered a message to Saudi King Abdullah stating that if Iran does not stop its nuclear program, Bush will attack before he leaves office

Aside from the question of how one would be privy to a conversation between Cheney and Abdullah, think about what this sentence is telling us. Think about whose interests are being carefully looked after, think about whose security is the primary objective. Then think about whose troops will be doing the work, think about who will be paying the price, in every sense of the word.

Posted by: special_guest at June 10, 2007 3:17 PM

Iran will be too busy trying to clean up if the US. strikes its nuclear facilities. The Iranian government is a congregation of blowhards. Apparently, they fail to acknowledge that any attacks against Arabs, even if they are Muslims, would be calling down the thunder, and likely result in the end of Iran.

Sad, really, since many Iranians yearn to live in freedom, hate being forced to go to the mosques, and are fed up with being under the thumbs of the Mullah cavemen who run the country.

Posted by: Prickzilla at June 10, 2007 3:39 PM

Classic taqqiyah-esque psychological projection...
like nazi germany warning poland in 1939 (as if): "you better not even think of attacking us or we will destroy you!" implying being threatened themselves, when it's 180* opposite.
Classic mental disorder.

Then again, they MUST look like the victim in this upcoming/impending attack of theirs, lest they not gain the momentum they're looking for so desperately: numbers...numbers they don't have, but wish they did. If they attack first, they're screwed, so they MUST provoke a first strike from us to rationalize/justify their own intent.
They're not kidding anyone, save the radicals and mOslem minions who don't know any better anyway.
Besides, all they have to do is invoke "allah" and they're ON it without question.

But rest assured, they are going to try something soon...their timely quips in long established pattern have the obviousness of theirs written all over it.

Posted by: jcom972 at June 10, 2007 5:32 PM

What's the problem again?

Posted by: Infidel Pride at June 10, 2007 6:02 PM

“The objective would be to overwhelm US missile defence systems with dozens and maybe hundreds of missiles fired simultaneously at specific targets.”

Iran: you think we care if you want to wipe out your fellow Muslims? Even the countries that are supposedly cooperating with the US are hardly friends. If you were out of the way they would be deep in the jihad along with Osama. Maybe your threats will make them choose once and for all between a global ummah and survival.

Hugh has it right. Is it a threat or a promise?

Anyone who is worried about the increase in the price of oil would be well advised to begin developing alternative fuels. That should have happened in the 1990s, when oil was around ten bucks a barrel.
Whether it's a war or competition with China and India, the oil shortage will come. When it does and for whatever reason it comes, you'll just have to make do.
Just don't think that coddling Iran is showing leadership. The people of the Middle East saw what life could be like when Saddam invaded Kuwait. They couldn't get past their hatred of all things non-Muslim to do what was necessary to make their countries better. They will pay for it in the end. ReligionofPeas and many others can blame the US all they want, but the fact remains that those are sovereign countries. The people of Iran support their government. The people of Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States would rather die than see Israel prosper. They just might get their wish.

Posted by: PMK at June 10, 2007 6:31 PM

In the overall scheme of things, what does a gasoline price spike mean anyway? We are like a bunch of heroin addicts who start shaking at the suggestion of an interuption in supply. We have some business to take care of and the longer we wait to finish the business the more painfull will be the task. I say, lets get to it.

Posted by: pismopal at June 10, 2007 7:56 PM

Special_Guest, I think I read it on Debka and they tend to be fairly accurate with inside info they get from the Mossad.

Posted by: Bonniea at June 10, 2007 11:23 PM

THIS IS A NO_BRAINER.

Screw the nukes.

Iran has 1 - yes, count 'em - ONE petrol refinery.

Knock out the refinery, close the seaports, and wait for the country to shut down.

No fuss, no muss, no bother!!!!!!!!!

You REALLY want to be meticulous? Go in and take out the military infrastructure, airports, radar and such after that. The story is OVER!

You can walk in at your leisure and disassemble the nukes after all the dust settles.

Posted by: joeblough at June 11, 2007 12:23 AM

larry, that will definately start world war 3. china or russia will never take any crap from the usa.

Posted by: mrockroll1969 at June 11, 2007 5:17 AM

The comment 'the objective would be to overwhelm U.S. missile defense systems'....

No it would not. Iran obviously has gotten word that some of their Arab neighbors are agreeing or granting the 'OK' for the U.S.to proceed against Iran.

Iran knows that the only way they can hurt or scare their neighbors is by hitting their wallet. The leaders of these neighboring countries are addicted to the money that they make. Iran knows this because they too are addicted to the same $$$.

I thought just last week Irans President was saying that 'all of the neighboring Arab countries were preparing to side with him to wipe Israel off the face of the earth'. What....and now he threatens to hit them.

Muslim love is so disfunctional.

Posted by: alaskan1000 at June 11, 2007 2:06 PM