No doubt the watchtowers, rolls of barbed wire, 12 foot fence, guard dog patrols and plowed strip will soon be put in place just like the former Soviet Bloc countries to stop people from leaving.

Posted by: Mentat at June 10, 2007 7:14 AM

"The sources said most of the applicants were young men seeking work abroad. They said the majority of them wanted to move to the US, EU and Canada."

Not only no but HELL NO!! We have enough jihadists in this country without importing more.

Posted by: Had.Enough at June 10, 2007 7:50 AM

Hay You, Just where in the World do you think your going? Get back here. How dare you leave the Paradise that is Palestine for the Land of Infidels. What kind of Muslim are you anyway. Don't you understand there is a Jihad going on here and your participation is required. If only as a statistical entry under the Innocents killed category.

Posted by: flowerknife_us at June 10, 2007 8:37 AM

Muslims not allowed to emigrate? Can we backdate it by 30 years and apply it to all islamic countries?

Europe would be saved.

Posted by: Celsius at June 10, 2007 8:44 AM

"Alarmed by the growing number of Palestinians who are emigrating..." yes, as a citizen of the most hated nation on earth, the United States, I, too, am alarmed. I don't want those people here; thru their mother's milk, mosques, and schools they have learned to hate me, my family and my Western way of life from their earliest memory. Of course, the other Arab countries don't want the Palestinians either. They are considered to be trouble makers as they move around the Middle East. They should stay in the miserable, violent, dirty place that they have created for themselves. I second that fatwa!!

Posted by: maryrose at June 10, 2007 8:53 AM

If their Arab Muslim brothers don't want them, keep them there to fight the jihad in their camps, or wherever they are.

What have they got to offer? Koran lessons?

This scum of the earth, 3 generations of pure, undiluted, genocidal Islamo-hatred against infidels and Jews has no place among us.

Even if there are some 'who might not be all that bad'-, but how are we to know? If a dog has rabies, do we let him lose to roam the streets?

STop the jiziyah, let them stew in their own juices!

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at June 10, 2007 9:14 AM

If their Arab Muslim brothers don't want them, keep them there to fight the jihad in their camps, or wherever they are.

What have they got to offer? Koran lessons?

This scum of the earth, the result of 3 generations of pure, undiluted, genocidal Islamo-hatred against infidels and Jews has no place among us.

Even if there are some 'who might not be all that bad'-, but how are we to know? If a dog has rabies, do we let him lose to roam the streets?

STop the jiziyah, let them stew in their own juices!

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at June 10, 2007 9:16 AM

This fatwa will likely go unheeded unless it can be backed up by cohersion or physical constraint. Is there a canny Jew out there with guile to flog the Pali's Israel's West Bank barrier?

Posted by: western infidel at June 10, 2007 9:48 AM

What I find interesting is that they need permission from the government to leave. Religious edicts aside, their government obviously has the right to decline permission.

That puts them in company with countries like China and Russia where citizens still need permission to leave their own country. Sad.

Personally, I feel this is a good thing. They are voting with their feet. The only people left will be the hard-core diehards, or those too stupid to leave.

Just like Venezuela, the country is hanging itself my driving away the very people the need in the future if they want a functioning society. Not all Pali's have "drank the cool-aid" and simply want to have a life.

Posted by: Yankinwaoz at June 10, 2007 9:56 AM

"among the people who want to emigrate to the West there are doubtless many who are not ideologues, who just want to get on with their lives."
-- from Robert's comment above

I disagree. I disagree that there are "doubtless many who are not ideologues" and who "just want to get on with their lives." My own observation of "Palestinian" Arabs is that they are full-time propagandists for the "Palestinian" cause, that some are practiced at expressing their sense of victimhood, and since they are capable of sensing the ignorance and naivete of the Infidels among whom they come to live, they are essentially dangeorus agents of, in the first place, the Lesser Jihad against Israel, but just as important, help to create an atmosphere of confusion about the Middle East, and about Islam. A few may not be this way, but we have no way to figure out who those "few" might be, and should not take a chance.

Furthermore, quite a number of "Palestinians" have been behind the shouting down of pro-Israel speakers at colleges. They have spearheaded all kinds of activiites, from "divestment" movements, to phony "Islamic" outreach in Christian churches. Several "Palestinian" minister/propagandists, having burrowed within, and then climbed high, in the hierarchy of various Christaian denominations, have done promoted the Lesser Jihad against Israel. They have been working at times in coordinated efforts with such "Palestinian" islamochristians as Nabil Ateek (of Sabeel) and Hanan Ashrawi, and this effort continues, even as the Arab Christians themselves are menaced and attacked and driven to leave the territories foolishly handed over to the control of the "Palestinian Authority."

There are twenty-two Arab states. They possess the same language and culture. If they don't like the hell they have created for themselves -- and 70% of the Arabs in Gaza wish that the Israelis would come back, come back and save them from themselves, from their own lords of misrule, but why should the Israelis return to rescue them, since the local Arabs will never recognize that it is the spirit of Islam, the attitudes and atmospherics that arise naturally from Islam, that explain the current -- and future -- condition of Gaza, which is only an extreme case of what one finds all over the Arab and Muslim world, a world of aggression, warfare, violence as a way to achieve political power which, in turn, is the way to seize control of wealth.

No, let them stay there, and not be allowed to come to our countries. For they do not arrive as grateful refugees, like refugees from the Nazis and Communists, who hated Nazism and Communism and were prepared to alert us to their evils and work towards their destruction. These are not "refugees" at all, but come with Islam, or in some cases islamochristianity, packed in their mental baggage. And when they unpack it, unpack that Islam which they do not abandon but rather spread, and when they become full-time informal propagandists -- in the case of "Palestinains" -- for the Lesser Jihad against Israel which is only a local manfiestation of a world-wide Jihad, it is we Infidels who suffer, not least from the swelling of Muslim ranks and power, and the disruption and unpleasantness and greater insecurity that ensue (how much does it cost to ensure that speecehs can be given freely? How much does it cost to monitor more Muslims, especialy the kind created in the fanatical hothouse of the "Palestinian" cause?) it is we Infidels who suffer. Our governments, deciding on immimgration policy, have no right to do this to us.

And why should we, after all, invite into our home, as Fred Thompson put it, those who do not and can not, because of their Belief-system, wish us, or our legal and political instiuttions, well? Why should we invite in those who, at the very least have been raised up to hate Infidels, and with a special passion, Jews? Should we have 100,000 more Muslims enter, becuase the experience with large-scale Muslim immigration in France and Great Britian and other countries of Western Europe has been so wonderful --or has it been such as to serve as a warning to us? Should we allow in another 100,000 becase among them there may be a Wafa Sultan? Or an ibn Warraq? Or an Ali Sina? Do we want to invite in to share a country build entirely by non-Muslims, on principles that are flatly contradicted by Islam, those whose inculcated loyaltyis solely to Islam and to fellow Believers?

We have no obligation to allow in those whose Total Belief-System goes against everything that makes America America, or France France, or Italy Italy, or England England, or Denmark Denmark.

No obligation at all.

Posted by: Hugh at June 10, 2007 10:14 AM

It only reminds me of Waffen SS...

The nazis forced of Waffen SS soldiers to follow a strict rule....

under the rule, the soldiers in Waffen SS, if were late duty, or had broken any other law were enforced to work in Concentration camps...

Thus in a Nazi state of Palestine (Of course remember the Amin al Husseini)... either you need to follow the rules of Nazi regimn and convert you and your family slowly in a devils ideology...

eventually the cost of braking the rule is to be punished in worth way.... that will eclipse the smallest human value left in the person.

The rule breakers from Waffen SS (like to be late for 5 minutes) ended with Waffen SS soldiers in burning Jews in Gas Chambers... and rest if someone says no... then he was executed for going against law.

Lets see, what Palis have to offer in future... for those who break the Fatwa

Posted by: Proud of being takfir at June 10, 2007 10:26 AM

As usual Hugh hit's the nail on the head once again.

Finally a fatwa that is favorable to the west.
The mufti probably doe's not realise he is doing the west a favor. Allah never told him about unintended consequence's.

Hugh sez: Our governments, deciding on immimgration policy, have no right to do this to us.

Again the nail is hit squarely. The gov is doing this 'to' us, rather than 'for' us. When that become's oh so obvious, it is time for our own regime change. The current US gov has been doing it 'to' us for far to long, with devestating consequence's. The population, for the most part, roll over, belly up and play dead. Their motto is, 'when the going get's tough, the tough go to the mall'. Well soon, dear one's, you may be too terrified to go to the mall. Then what?
Politician's for the most part, have no soul.
They continually shout the motto, 'The American people want...', but when the American people made it clear to Bush that they frowned on the amnesty bill, his response was that any one against it, did not know what is good for America. What gall, what pomposity, what an elitist. When the American people make it clear that they want an honorable 'end' to the Iraqi war, or whatever they call it,
His reponse is they dont know what is good for America. He is doing it 'to' us not 'for' us.
So Bush aside, the gov in general has the same attitude. Hairy Reed, T Kennedy, Hillary, Nancy,
Michael Moore, 'Bab's Striesand, Rosi O, and a host of other's. But that side of the teeter totter, is not balanced, there are also many slick republican's/conservative's that contribute to the disaster that has afflicted America. Allah has not done this to America. A long line of government official's have managed to wreck the place without Allah's help. Vacillating politician's are just making the jihadi's work easier for them.
Watch Bush offer jillion's of unhappy 'Palestinian' easy immigration, and guaranteed employment at Wal-Mart. Just like he give's away, and spend's our money like he had a money tree, (he does have one...it is us), without even consulting the people who 'own' the money, 'and the gov'. What a sham, and a scam. The Mufti was right. Keep those 'palestinian's' locked up. May Allah spare him one day's relief from his mental constipation...

Posted by: duh_swami at June 10, 2007 11:17 AM

The west should issue a fatwa of it's own. Oh hateful me.

Posted by: sounder at June 10, 2007 12:08 PM

When I have had the misfortune to deal with "palestinians" they have proven to be sullen little men, I can't understand why (other than to create another islamic paradise) they would stay among the kufr.

Posted by: interestinconundrum at June 10, 2007 12:50 PM

Most slave-pen states, the old USSR, China, NK, Cuba etc... are penitentiaries in this sense. The PA captivity is not altogether surprising in this sense.

Also, of course, the whole "palestinian" jihad effort depends on keeping all those people captive and miserable and blaming the Israelis. So they really are tipping their hand here.

To be candid though, I have to admit, I'd rather that all the mohammedan countries restrict their subjects in this particular way.

Posted by: joeblough at June 10, 2007 12:51 PM

Do these Palestinians want to come to the West to get a better job? Or do they want to come to the West to kill us INFIDEL DOGS??
I have said this before and I'll say it again:

We now have 12 million illegal Mexicans ( actually, no one knows for sure, I've seen numbers as high as 32 million ) in the U.S and we already have 3 million ( ?? or is it 7 million? ) foaming at the mouth Muslims here also. Both Mexicaners and Musulmen HATE the United States and want to DESTROY the United States. We are importing the agents of our own destruction. Entire ARMIES of them. This is what happens when our treasonous politicians leave the border wide open for ILLEGAL, CRIMINAL ENEMY ALIEN INVADERS. They are going to MURDER us all, and they are already LAUGHING about how easy it is going to be.

GODDAMMIT, CLOSE THE DAMNED BORDER.

Posted by: One_of_the_last_few_Patriots_left at June 10, 2007 1:08 PM

from the article:

"Sources in the PA Foreign Ministry told The Jerusalem Post that some 10,000 Palestinians have filed requests to emigrate from the West Bank and the Gaza Strip since the beginning of the year. They said the requests had been approved."

and

"the Palestinian Authority's mufti has issued a fatwa [religious decree] forbidding Muslims to leave."

The fatwa isn't new . . .

from wiki - scroll down to section titled "Treatment in Arab countries"

In 1957, the Refugee Conference at Homs, Syria, passed a resolution stating:[42]

"Any discussion aimed at a solution of the Palestine problem which will not be based on ensuring the refugees' right to annihilate Israel will be regarded as a desecration of the Arab people and an act of treason (Beirut al Massa, July 15, 1957)."

The Arab League issued instructions barring the Arab states from granting citizenship to Palestinian Arab refugees (or their descendants) "to avoid dissolution of their identity and protect their right to return to their homeland".[43]

This is just the same old/same old arab duplicity al la arafat. Say one thing and do the opposite. It's what muhammedans are trained to excel in from birth. It's the foundation of political islam . . .dualistic logic.

The notable portion of this article states

"The sources said most of the applicants were young men"

Young men . . . not young families . . .not women . . .not young girls. We are all witness the 'education' this particular generation of 'young men' have received. The employment these 'young men' seek here can likely be classified as work the average American won't do. . . it's called terrorism.

Forgive me, Mr. Spencer, but I cannot/will not accept your last statement as fact . . .

"want to emigrate to the West there are doubtless many who are not ideologues, who just want to get on with their lives. But they are trapped".

simply because because they are

"mostly young [palestinian -arab - muhammedan ] men".

Posted by: justamomof4 at June 10, 2007 1:37 PM

Another example that Islam permits holding people hostage, and has numerous ways of holding people hostage.

Western governments wittingly or unwittingly contribute to the most recent revival of sharia and jihad, which has been happening over the last several decades, by allowing such "refugees" out of Islamic countries and into into western countries. This happens in at least two ways. First, as Hugh mentions, those immigrants to the west who carry the Islamic ideology most strongly will spread it, multiply it, perpetuate it, and support its development in the west. While they are doing that, they will be simultaneously opposing and reducing what is good for the freedoms and safety of non-Muslims. The "moderates" (what level of "moderate" are they; and moderate with respect to what?) among them will form a protective insulation around their more hard-line brethren. Second, as for those who dislike the Islamic ideology, and who oppose it (i.e., certain religious minorities, apostates, etc.), by leaving Islamic countries they are alleviating whatever pressure they would have brought to bear on the Islamic regimes from which they flee. The west is thus complicit in alleviating this pressure against Islamic regimes, allowing those regimes to flourish even more, with even less opposition.

Why does the PA want to keep those people--indeed, any people--in the Palestinian territories? The people act as human shields, for one. Reduction in the number of human shields, for example, would render the PA's terroristic tactics less effective. (Obviously, if terrorists did not shield themselves with civilians, it would be easy for the casualty-averse Israelis and west to defeat them). That use of human shields is permitted under the Islamic doctrine of tattarrus. Another possible reason is that the PA is again appealing to Islamic law on the grounds that the PA is Islamic territory and a war zone and therefore it is not permissible for able-bodied Muslims to back away from it, unless there is a greater strategic advantage (in the interests of Islam) for some of those Muslims to leave.

Posted by: Khaybar Oasis at June 10, 2007 1:39 PM

The demographic factor is very important in the Global Jihad. We should be doing everything we can to minimize it. In opposition to that effort are major business interests which depend on cheap immigrant labor, as well as influential people who are essentially bribed to do the rich jihadis bidding. As examples of the latter: Jimmy Carter has taken Saudi money (see Alan Dershowitz's blog in the Jerusalem Post), and James Baker's law firm represents Saudi interests.

Posted by: jewdog at June 10, 2007 2:01 PM

Wait a minute...Isn't Islam the superior way of life for all mankind? And doesn't all-powerful, all-knowing Allah protect and reward only his faithful followers? Aren't Muslims obligated by their holy scripture to not associate with non-believers? Isn't the West an immoral place run by the evil Bush, the world's greatest terrorist?

So why would any devout Muslim even think about leaving their poverty-ridden, corrupt, disfunctional, violent, misogynistic, barbaric, stink-hole in the middle east?...unless it is to spread more of the same across the world?

Posted by: Xero G at June 10, 2007 2:01 PM

And what about the fact that more than half of Gazans want Israel back in!! They want their lives back again!!

Posted by: TeachESL at June 10, 2007 2:07 PM

Hm, 45,000 Palestinians, mostly young men, likely brainwashed since birth to hate Jews and America, who want to come to the US, EU, and Canada? Yeah, I'm sure all they really have in mind is "work".

Posted by: staff_of_magius at June 10, 2007 2:31 PM

Keep 'em down on Allah's Farm.

We don't need them getting loose and spreading the Mohammedan glory (misery).

Let them enjoy the blessings (horrors) of Islam.

Finally a fatwa I can back!

Posted by: profitsbeard at June 10, 2007 2:49 PM

Thanks, Hugh, your comment is absolutely on target.

Posted by: the poetess at June 10, 2007 3:16 PM

profitsbeard has started a tune:
How ya gonna keep 'em down on Allah's farm,
Once they've seen the Dhimmee?
How ya gonna kep 'em in Dar el Islam,
Once they've seen Dar el Harb?

Posted by: jewdog at June 10, 2007 3:17 PM

jewdog-

LOL!

After they destroyed the "Paris of the Middle East" (Beirut), they do have to look farther afield.

(I was also thinking of down on "Parchman's Farm", a blues song about a Southern prison work camp. Allah being the original model of the cruel chain gang boss.)

Posted by: profitsbeard at June 10, 2007 3:34 PM

Hey don't any of you infidels understand? It's because Islam is so great; and Allah so beneficent and merciful that we don't want anyone to esca-oops! leave...

...and nothing to do with the fact that even if they only managed to hop over the border a few metres to the land of the sons of pigs and monkeys&trade, they might even get to enjoy a life of freedom, rights (with responsibilities of course) and simple happiness, unimagined in the blood, dust and sh*t-strewn streets of Gaza.

Posted by: Un:dhimmi at June 10, 2007 4:41 PM

"The sources said most of the applicants were young men seeking work abroad. They said the majority of them wanted to move to the US, EU and Canada."

Why not? Those birds soiled their own nest, now they want to move on to someone elses.

Posted by: rational at June 10, 2007 5:47 PM

The Israelis should set up a smuggling operation, using third party coytes to operate it.
For a small fee, offer young palestinians safe passage to any Islamic country in the world.

Posted by: rational at June 10, 2007 5:57 PM

One Fatwa I can almost agree with. If their target destinations are the US, the EU and Canada, they shouldn't be allowed there.

If it were Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Egypt, by all means...

Posted by: Infidel Pride at June 10, 2007 6:01 PM

"The sources said most of the applicants were young men seeking work abroad. They said the majority of them wanted to move to the US, EU and Canada."

As to why they chose non-Muslim destinations two possibilities present themselves:

1. They have families (Just how many wives and children do the 45,000 young male applicants have already?) and the males are going in the first wave. Once residency has been established, the family will follow. This can only happen in the US, EU and Canada. No one else is stupid enough.

2. It is part of building the universal ummah. You go where you are needed to ensure the ultimate triumph of Islam and Sharia. Iran and Saudi Arabia have it already. They don't need poor immigrants from the PA to achieve something they already have.

The fatwa makes sense because suicide bombings require live bodies. Live bodies can only be obtained through procreation. The men need to remain in order to provide the next generation of killers. They are also necessary to increase the total population of the West Bank so that the PA can say to the world: we are stuck in this small patch of land. Get Israel to give us back our homes. The West Bank is teeming and we need outlets for our people. It is our human right.

Posted by: PMK at June 10, 2007 6:02 PM

This brings to mind the sorry old joke about putting a number of rats in a barrel and betting on which one survives. This fatwa is the lid. The only problem is keeping the lid on.

Posted by: songdongnigh at June 10, 2007 8:18 PM

The primary function of government is to protect its citizenry. The influx of Palestinians (and all other Muslims) has resulted in an increasing threat to the Jews of America, some of whom have already been subjected to physical violence by the antisemitic and increasingly belligerent - by virtue of their growing numbers - Palestinian Arabs, including those who are not Muslim but who harbor pan-Arab sentiment and resultant Jew-hatred.
This threat extends, ultimately and ineluctably, to American non-Jews as well; most participants at this site understand this quite clearly. In permitting the entry of Palestinian Arabs into America, our government is jeopardizing the safety and security of its Jewish citizens, firstly, and everyone else, secondarily. Such an action should quite correctly be viewed as an egregious breach of governmental responsibility, an outrage, and an act of blatant hypocrisy and stupidity after our current president's post-9/11 assertion that "you're either with us, or you're against us."
Since the 1960's, with the emergence of the Arab-American Anti-Defamation League representing the nascent and increasingly effective and influential Arab propaganda machine, I perceived how this segment of the population, despite its small size, jeopardized the safety of American Jews. Until the attacks on 9/11, I did not believe that non-Jewish Americans would be targeted. The attacks precipitated a profound personal paradigm shift; I now understood that all of us would be targeted, although I did not, at that time, understand fully why this was so. Now, of course, I do, thanks to Robert, Hugh, Emerson, Warraq, and many others.
Our government, obviously, does not see the threat, or doesn't care.

Posted by: commonsense at June 10, 2007 11:40 PM

Good! When the tuff get going the...CAN'T LEAVE!!! YOU CREATED THIS AND ALL YOUR BABY KILLERS! Iran will abolish the Palestinians to get to Israel!

Posted by: MZ at June 10, 2007 11:44 PM

This fatwa I can support.

Can we get UN support for it - generally the UN is supportive of all things palestinian.

Posted by: DP111 at June 11, 2007 1:12 AM

Mr Spencer posted : Of course, among the people who want to emigrate to the West there are doubtless many who are not ideologues, who just want to get on with their lives. But they are trapped.

I find the above, hard to reconcile with what you wrote yesterday,

Officials should proclaim a moratorium on all visa applications from Muslim countries, since there is no reliable way for American authorities to distinguish jihadists and potential jihadists from peaceful Muslims. Because this is not a racial issue, these restrictions should not apply to Christians and other non-Muslim citizens of those countries.

Ideologues or not, there is no reliable way we can ensure that Muslim immigrants will not fall prey to SJS, or that their progeny, once secure in their right to abode in dar la harb, will not revert to Jihad of the slow or concussive sort.

Posted by: DP111 at June 11, 2007 1:33 AM

...Of course the other Muslim nations do not want the Palestinians, after all, the Palestinians were originally booted out of the other Muslim nations for being too violent...everything possible to keep the Palestinians in Palestine should be done...People who are too violent even for the Muslims should be confined to as small an area as possible....

Ban Muslim immigration.

Posted by: exsgtbrown at June 11, 2007 6:18 AM

Good....someone please tell Catholic Social Services.

Catholic Social Services are bringing Palestinians into the U.S. faster this the U.S. State Department.

Posted by: alaskan1000 at June 11, 2007 1:58 PM

For the attention of : alaskan1000 [ref: above]

Have you a link or an email address for CSS, locally or nationally? or a web address so we can complain and educate? Absolute disgrace
But fits in with a question I have asked many times on this MB and not yet had an answer, viz:

How does preventative literature, speech and action against muslims fit in with the injunction "Love Your Neighbour As Yourself" ????

Posted by: meekee at June 11, 2007 7:40 PM