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By Jennifer Loven for AP, with thanks to all who sent this in:
TIRANA, Albania (AP) - President Bush, enthusiastically welcomed as the first U.S. president in this former communist nation, served notice Sunday he is running out of patience with Russia's objections to independence for neighboring Kosovo."Sooner rather than later you've got to say 'Enough's enough - Kosovo is independent,'" Bush said, telling Albanians what they wanted to hear. He said independence was a certainty....
Cannons boomed salutes from mountains overlooking the capital. Huge banners proclaimed "Proud to be Partners," and billboards read "President Bush in Albania Making History."
Posted by Robert at June 10, 2007 6:44 PM
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[Bush] is running out of patience with Russia's objections to independence for neighboring Kosovo
Maybe Putin can return the favor, and push for an independent Dearbornistan.
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at June 10, 2007 7:10 PM
They love us for helping them kill christians for them. We still haven't got a clue since clinton went in there and helped them continue the slaughter.
Posted by: R_not at June 10, 2007 7:19 PM
The president and the Administration simply do not "get it" on this matter. Our situation re leadership now in terms of wise and well informed (and tough) leadership re Islam is comparable to US leadership in the 1850's with regard to the "Slaveocracy" of the Old South. The "slaveocracy" (as John Q. Adams called it) wanted silence on the matter of slavery and no critical analysis of their belief-system. They even instituted "gag rules" that prohibited discussion of the slavery issue in congress and elsewhere. They wanted respect for their "culture". The result was a leadership (Pierce and Buchanan in the 1850's) that attempted to avoid critical analysis of slavery and to adhere to "multiculturalism" on the issue.
If the South had lifted the ban on critical analysis of slavery and had not reacted with the deep anger (based in fear) of their belief-system, history might have taken a different course. But instead they had little to offer but pro slavery propaganda and charges of oppression and bigotry against the South.
Jihadwatch and Dhimmiwatch are not really much different than Garrison's Liberator in pointing out the facts. Eventually, the facts won out. However, because of the jellyfish spines of leaders who sought to placate the fears of the South, the result was finally a war which tore apart the South and its culture. (Islam may have the same fate because of its fear of critical analysis.)
Islam is an Arab-Based-Pig-Imperialist-Rationalization-System (no different than the many other Imperialist-Pig-Rationalization systems of history). It has has been cruel and destructive of indigenous cultures from India to Constantinople, and everywhere it dominates. (The difference is that this demented belief-system is self-righteous and unapologetic re their Arab based racism, their cultural supremacism.) It has revived in the past 60 years because of a geological accident (oil). But Islam is slavery of the mind and is an enemy to liberty and freedom of concience (Saudi Arabia, e.g., etc.), and no different than what Mr. Lincoln and the North faced in 1861 in terms of being a threat to the free mind and liberty everywhere.
Islam is an Arab based Imperialist-Pig-Supremacist-Rationalization-System that must be destroyed. Its demented adherents are no different than the Spaniards under Pizzaro, or the Aztecs with the Toltec, etc. In the meantime, President Bush is similar to Presidents Pierce and Buchanan in his lack of understanding of reality.
at June 10, 2007 7:40 PM
You can look for quick processing of Albanian's requesting immigration to the U.S.
What lucky U.S. town will have the good fortune of becomming the Albania of the new world?
Brace yourself!
Posted by: rational
at June 10, 2007 7:51 PM
Dammit, I'm running out of patience with Georgie's efforts for an independent Kosovo.
January 20, 2009 can't get here fast enough.
Posted by: Pelayo at June 10, 2007 8:06 PM
It's no accident that Bush is recognizing Albania. It's a way to pressure the Russians to stop arming Iran and Syria and to make them stop helping Iran develop nukes. The Russians have been highly obstructionist in their policy towards Iranian sanctions. They also have been menacingly uncooperative in regards to our desire to shield Europe from Iranian missiles.
If Russia wants a Cold War, I'm sure there's a lot more we can do to give them one. We can always start arming Islamic rebels in central Asia, for example. A little more chaos in Russia would be salutary. The Russian are as evil as the Muslims, and a lot more dangerous.
Posted by: jewdog
at June 10, 2007 8:10 PM
Where is there, if it even exists, a concise and accurate history of the Balkan war of the 1990's?
Even more, what is an accurate and unapologetic history of the Crusades?
Posted by: senatortombstone at June 10, 2007 8:10 PM
OT: gratuitous Robert Spencer putdown of the day:
http://hurryupharry.bloghouse.net/archives/2007/06/11/extremists_seek_to_divide_us.php
Again, it's all Spencer's work in painting 'an essentialist...portrait of [Islam], as a static, monolithic and malevolent force', rather than the Islamic texts and countless Muslims he quotes.
Posted by: Dane at June 10, 2007 8:20 PM
Any GOP candidate who supports this should be called a Jihadi, and not be allowed to get away with claiming that it's important to elect him to fight the Jihad.
I also agree with Special Guest - maybe Putin can say that the time for the US to continue occupying Dearbornistan has come and gone.
Posted by: Infidel Pride at June 10, 2007 8:25 PM
Also, maybe there was something to the Russians equating Bush to the Third Reich last week.
Posted by: Infidel Pride at June 10, 2007 8:26 PM
Pelayo-
You are assuming that we will have someone less clueless than the president. We need a leadership as ruthless re the issue of Islam as the Administration of 1861 was re the expansion of slavery. This is an Imperialist-Rationalization-System (really not different than any other in history in many respects). However, it is different in its self-righteous Supremacist-pig-unapologetic-nature. Muslims (especially Arabs) seek to shame others (particularly the West-as if Western Imperialism was unique in history), as these creeps never apologize for all the destruction and subduing they have done to "indigenous cultures" wherever they have gone. They exterminate in the Sudan, but whine on the West Bank. They should apologize for what they did at Constantinople, in India, (in Darfur)and elsewhere, and be ashamed of their demented Imperialism-Rationalization-System. But instead, they point fingers at others, try to cause others to feel shame, and pretend that they have been victims and are so pure as they deceive. Islam is an Imperialist-Pig-rationalization system that dehumanizes (the "not innocent") unbelievers and gives a green-light and permission to deception, exploitation, killing and the destruction of non-Muslim "indigenous cultures" and "indigenous peoples".
I now think it is on a par with Nazism because Jew-hatred is so central to the belief-system. It is that ugly, that stick-that unapologetic re its Imperialist nature. As Hugh has said, "Islam is the engine of Arab Imperialism". I, for one, flip the bird to Mecca and its Capital of Imperialism and the costumes of this "religion" that are the mask of Arab Imperialism.
Posted by: Frank
at June 10, 2007 8:33 PM
it seems you cant give Bush at least one welcoming state, even if Albanian muslims are killers, Bush cannot see this for he is a hero to these people, Got to put Clinton with him on this one as well. my God where are educated politicians, we need another Winston Churchill.
Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at June 10, 2007 8:38 PM
"Maybe Putin can return the favor, and push for an independent Dearbornistan."
Posted by: special_guest
Had to clean off my monitor after that one.
Posted by: Concerned Citizen at June 10, 2007 8:39 PM
Zena
Why can't Bush reverse this Clinton policy? First he supports a Pali state, then he supports an independent Kosovo, what next? Dearbornistan?
I'm normally Right-Wing, but I'm now squarely a Bush hater. Lee Rodgers has it right - he's a traitor! Like Pelayo said, January 20, 2009 can't come too soon.
Posted by: Infidel Pride at June 10, 2007 8:41 PM
"Why can't Bush reverse this Clinton policy?"
Posted above.
How much do think he would have to PAY for a hero's welcome, photo ops, etc.? Why would he "reverse" it?
Posted by: Concerned Citizen at June 10, 2007 8:48 PM
Concerned Citizen
He could get a hero's welcome in Israel, or Phillipines, or Japan. I know the answer, but the question was rhetorically aimed at Zena, who correctly blamed Clinton for the policy, but refused to spread it around to Bush for continuing this evil policy.
But Russia could tell US flatly that it will arm Iran with nukes unless the US switches sides and supports Serbia instead of Kosovo and Bosnia.
Posted by: Infidel Pride at June 10, 2007 8:57 PM
I'm normally Right-Wing, but I'm now squarely a Bush hater. Lee Rodgers has it right - he's a traitor! Like Pelayo said, January 20, 2009 can't come too soon.
Posted by: Infidel Pride
Bush is not a concervative from his actions but a globalists and l from what l have read and heard there is a split in the Republican party, you have the RINOs, bluebloods, and the Conservative along the lines of Regan. l do not undertand how he wants to stop the terrorists coming the the US and yet his immigration policy is backwards. l know he thinks people will chose freedom and democracy. Bush does a diservice to the free world by his ignorance of islam, like most Western people he gives too much respect to Islam.
Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at June 10, 2007 8:59 PM
Heroes welcome?
More like useful idiots welcome.
News from Downunder:
Catmeat Sheik replaced by 'moderate' jihad mufti:
http://sheikyermami.com/2007/06/11/catmeat-sheik-hilali-replaced-by-moderate-jihad-mufti/
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at June 10, 2007 9:12 PM
I am sorry, guys.. I live in the USA.. but I really think I like Putin WAY more than i like any of the Americans in Power right now.
Why can't the US make a deal with Russia where they withdraw support for Albania/Kosovo in exchange for Russian co-operation re. the misslie shield and Russian technology transfer to Iran?
We could easily nip TWO islamic enemies in the bud while at the same time making friends whith Russia.
We should ALL remember that Russia was on the side of the Allies in both World Wars. And they took the most casualties of anyone - even more than Germany or Japan.
Can we respect their sacrifice in ANY way at all?
Why do we treat them as perpetual enemies and in such a humiliating way that they have no choice but to befriend those whom they really don't share historical interests with?
We really MUST treat Russia and Her interests in a more dignified manner - for our own good!
Jesus Christ already! America does NOT live in a vacuum. Why leave Russia to the Germans and the French?!
I am a German and I tell you this is stupid and self-destructive.
Russia has much pride and prowess. They will NOT take bullsh*t forever.
And in the end they have the very same interests e do! Talk to any Russian you meet and they are cool people. And the Russian women are freaking "Back in the USSR" GORGEOUS!
No bearded burka-babes there!
I really don't understand WHY the USA keep treating them like dirt and expect them to keep sucking it up!
Starting with the American support of the Taleban in Afgh vs. Russia in the late 70s..
Russia relented peacefully re. Eastern Europe when they could have clamped down.. and yet they respected Poland and the CSSR and East Germany and the Baltic Republics too.
Can we give them a BREAK already and STOP creating moslem states at the expense of Russia's old ally Serbia?
Serbia, which helped fight the Nazis and stood at the side of the anti-fascist Allies? Serbia who stood by the USA and her allies in the Wars against Nazism and fascism?
What exactly will this anti-Serbian politics say to future allies we expect to draw into our fold?
Are we not telling them that we may drop them at a moment's notice as soon as our fickle needs [or our depraved corruption] dictate we do?
What exactly does this say about us?
I expect Russia to gain in strength in the future and I am glad they will.
We should be doing that is RIGHT regardless of short-sighted shenanigans.
Our POLOticians have NO fight at all to call Russian/Putin a dictatorship when our very own 'leaders' are promotng the interests of the Wahhabists, speak SOWdis.
Thus Russia is picking the Shia.. not for love of them.. but rather for necessity.
America can seemingly not be talked into acting on Common Sense. I bet Russian officials are burning up the phones to get Washington to exercise some coomon sense already!
I am actually surprised that Russia is taking all of this so quietly.
To be honest I wish that Russia would draw the no-famous Line in the Sand and say Serbia MUST stay UNDIVIDEd!
Undivided Serbia is in ALL our interests!
Posted by: Allahfanculo at June 10, 2007 9:13 PM
For six months I’ve been trying to convince myself that George Bush is an evil genius, looking out for the best interests of the American people. And now he’s playing to the crowd in Albania. Despair.
One possible diagnosis is ‘wet brain’. The link is to the Betty Ford explanation.
http://www.bettyfordcenter.org/news/findings/warticle.php?id=6
at June 10, 2007 9:20 PM
Has anybody here read up on Ron Paul?
This is from his website. Unfortunately, the first sentence could have as easily been written by Hillary or John F-ing Kerry:
War and Foreign Policy
The war in Iraq was sold to us with false information. The area is more dangerous now than when we entered it. We destroyed a regime hated by our direct enemies, the jihadists, and created thousands of new recruits for them. This war has cost more than 3,000 American lives, thousands of seriously wounded, and hundreds of billions of dollars. We must have new leadership in the White House to ensure this never happens again.
Both Jefferson and Washington warned us about entangling ourselves in the affairs of other nations. Today, we have troops in 130 countries. We are spread so thin that we have too few troops defending America. And now, there are new calls for a draft of our young men and women.
We can continue to fund and fight no-win police actions around the globe, or we can refocus on securing America and bring the troops home. No war should ever be fought without a declaration of war voted upon by the Congress, as required by the Constitution.
Under no circumstances should the U.S. again go to war as the result of a resolution that comes from an unelected, foreign body, such as the United Nations.
Too often we give foreign aid and intervene on behalf of governments that are despised. Then, we become despised. Too often we have supported those who turn on us, like the Kosovars who aid Islamic terrorists, or the Afghan jihads themselves, and their friend Osama bin Laden. We armed and trained them, and now we’re paying the price.
At the same time, we must not isolate ourselves. The generosity of the American people has been felt around the globe. Many have thanked God for it, in many languages. Let us have a strong America, conducting open trade, travel, communication, and diplomacy with other nations
at June 10, 2007 9:25 PM
Posted by: Allahfanculo-
"Our POLOticians have NO fight at all to call Russian/Putin a dictatorship when our very own 'leaders' are promotng the interests of the Wahhabists, speak SOWdis"
Very excellent points, especially above.
Posted by: TINBH at June 10, 2007 9:36 PM
Very disappointing to see the downright ignorant and spiteful comments about Albania on this website. The warmth and affection shown by the Albanian people towards the United States and President Bush was genuine. Albanians are mainly secularists, Europeans and a people who have only relatively recently awoken from the type of totalitarian nightmare only a few of us can imagine. There are very few capital cities in the world like Tirana where an American president would get the type of enthusiastic reaction he got yesterday. Over a decade ago, James Baker was given a similar reception when he visited Tirana when the last dying embers of Stalinism were just about to be finally extinguished. Albanians have always seen America as a beacon of hope, liberty and justice. This affection is not some recent or feigned affectation that is the result of the USA's policy with regard to Kosovo as some superficial analysts here and elsewhere have wrongly suggested.
The government of Sali Berisha has given total support to the USA's war on terror, and in case it hasn't been noted, Albania had sent hundreds of troops to both Iraq and Afghanistan. Albanians have always seen themselves as Europeans, and the 'Muslim' tag given to them is misleading and ill-informed. Most Albanians are only nominal Muslims, most are secularists and atheists. One quarter are Christian, and the national hero of Albania is Skanderberg, a Roman Catholic who fought against the Ottomans. Tirana's international airport is called "Mother Theresa International Airport", because as we all know Mother Theresa was an ethnic Albanian.
I agree with many, if not most, of the theses put forward by Robert et al. on this website about the dangers posed by Islamism. But implying that Albania is somehow part of the problem or is even an enemy of the West is ignorant, ill-informed and tragically wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.
Posted by: The Northumbrian at June 10, 2007 9:40 PM
"We must have new leadership in the White House to ensure this never happens again." ...Ron Paul
Everytime the jihadists see a statement like this, they give themselves A+ on their final exams.
On the positive side, what should never happen again, is fighting a war of half measures.
"Under no circumstances should the U.S. again go to war as the result of a resolution that comes from an unelected, foreign body, such as the United Nations." ...Ron Paul
Rogue regimes can take great comfort in this position, the result will be jihadists overrunning the earth, freely, sanctionned by the UN.
Posted by: sounder at June 10, 2007 9:42 PM
Okay, i take it back - from a previous thread - it really was a terrible speech.
From Jewdog
"It's no accident that Bush is recognizing Albania. It's a way to pressure the Russians to stop arming Iran and Syria........They also have been menacingly uncooperative in regards to our desire to shield Europe from Iranian missiles."
So it's all the fault of those darned roooooooskies is it?
So care to explain how the darned roooooooooskies are to blame for NATO's heroic arming of the KLA Islamists in 98 and 99? In the hot seat in the Kremlin was that Western lap dog , drunken buffoon, Yeltsin.
And even before anyone had heard of Putin, the US had gone into partnership with Iran and the Mujahideen - amongst whose numbers included a certain mr atta and a bin laden esq - so that nazi recruiter Izetbegovich could murder some Infidels during the Bosnain war
http://www.senate.gov/~rpc/releases/1997/iran.htm
http://www.senate.gov/~rpc/releases/1998/kosovo.htm
So those darned Roooskies are to blame for that too?
Quick, Jewdog. Tell Larry Craig that it wasn't Clinton's fault but in fact those ne'er do well Roooooooskies, for Larry forgot to blame those cotton pickin' Rooooskies for it
My God. Dubya. Just when you think he can't get any dumber, he goes and does something like this. And totally unredeems himself.
The guys a clown
Anyone who can't even make a revenge speech after 3000 of his citizens have been brutally murdered is a prize lemon....
and that's insulting the citrus fruit out there.
Remember, a few weeks after 911 , he was chatting with yank islamists who'd refused to condemn the outrage....in the white house to boot....he even had a photo op with those traitors.
And now he trundles off to Europe to grandstand for a new muslim country?
And yet all you can say is it's thse rootin' tootin' darned Rooooooskies fault?....and then , for good measure , add they're just as bad as the muslims
Tell that to the Assyrians whose only ally is Russia - the yanks couldn't give a 4 X about their plight - or maybe those darned Roooooskies are to blame for that too?
From special guest:
"Maybe Putin can return the favor, and push for an independent Dearbornistan"
Well said. And why not? I mean really? What's the difference?
From Zenaprincesswarrior:
"Got to put Clinton with him on this one as well. my God where are educated politicians, we need another Winston Churchill"
Oh, I'd be thrilled with submediocrity FFS
The real hoot is dubya can't even trust the Albanians with his stars and stripes pantaloons whilst in the place. He made sure that his security detail was only provided by US marines. During the Kosovo war , Berisha - the leader of progressive , forward looking , super high-tech Albania - was in opposition and his stronghold is northern Albania . Well , the whole of the north was a wild lawless place - even the prosecution had to admit this in the Slobo trial - where Tirana had little or no influence. Well, Berisha used his property to train the Islamists , amongst whom numbered several 100 mujahideen: and now dubya's got his tongue waaaay up the guy's bum.
What is it with yank foreign policy? They teamed up with Iran - and Bin Laden - during the Bosnian war: sold Iran weapons in the Contra fiasco and now have given the Iranians their biggest foreign policy success ever by getting rid of tough guy Hussein.....I think the Iranians have infiltrated the White house
http://www.exile.ru/2007-May-04/war_nerd.html
Posted by: ewha1 at June 10, 2007 9:44 PM
Good Post, Northumbrian. Spot on.
"This is from his website. Unfortunately, the first sentence could have as easily been written by Hillary or John F-ing Kerry:
War and Foreign Policy
The war in Iraq was sold to us with false information. "
And Concerned Citizen.... Yes, you are right, it could have just as easily been written by those two, but the difference is that Ron Paul did not vote to authorize the war. He held to his convictions, even if it put him at odds with the rest of his Republican Party, and even a great many in the Democratic Party. He didn't flip flop like Kerry and vote for the authorization of funding before he voted against it, and he isn't trying to rescind his vote for the war like Clinton is, trying to bunk the whole initial clause. So in that regards, superficially, yes, that statement could have been written by Clinton or Kerry, but Ron Paul is the only one of the three who can legitimately say such a thing and genuinely mean it. Kudos to him.
Posted by: ThinkForYourself at June 10, 2007 10:03 PM
...and when I said that he did not vote to authorize the war in Iraq, I should more clearly say that he actually voted against authorization of the action taken by Mr. President.
Posted by: ThinkForYourself at June 10, 2007 10:08 PM
"Today Albanians as a whole offer a diverse religious picture depending on the geographical region they live. Most Albanians are Muslims, (Sunni Muslims and Bektashis), although there are also Orthodox Christians and Roman Catholics minorities."
Like Robert asked, "partners with whom"?
Posted by: Unbridled at June 10, 2007 10:50 PM
It's always funny how MSN and reality never but never overlap on certain subjects: Kosovo being one of course.
Remember during the "Holocaust" of Kosovo in 99? We got CNN filming distraught Kosovo Albanian families on the Macedonian border?
This turned out to have been stage managed by the film crews
As testified to by Macedonian doctors and medics who instead pointed out that the Jewish doctors from Israel were almost raped by the Kosovo Albnians "refugees" . Talk about no good deed ever going unpunished.
Ah, the irony
The irony got pushed to surreal lengths when the memory of Anne Frank was used in support of the Nazi-Islamist-KLA
http://serbianna.com/blogs/savich/
Ironic because the KLA are made up of a significant number of Neo Nazis - along with Maoists , Islamists and common garden thugs - who try to revive the memory of the SS division that was made up almost entirely of Kosovo Albanians.
It's also ironic because the first thing the KLA did when they....cough....liberated Pristina was to expel the entire Jewish community.
Even the Nazis with their Kosovo Albanian Fascist supporters never managed that little feat.
Yes , folks , we are talking Judenfrei
Enveolpe pushing ironic moments continue when reading about the MSN tales of woe from the Kosovo Albanian refugees and compare that with the reality of the ICTY case against Slobo.
When push came to shove all the stories fizzled out in the glare of some fierce - and at times hilarious- cross examination from Mr Naughty aka Slobo
Even with a budget of a quarter of a billion a year , all the political support in the world and a blatantly Serbophobic system , the witnesses against Slobo in the Kosovo trial were a hapless, witless bunch of losers, liars and prize lemons.
And all Slobo had on his side was a public telephone -usually out of order- a pencil and piece of paper for the uses of.
This is why the Serbophobes never but never talk about the witnesses at the ICTY against Slobo and instead just repeat the tired worn out MSN gambits.
Posted by: ewha1 at June 10, 2007 10:59 PM
For six months I’ve been trying to convince myself that George Bush is an evil genius, looking out for the best interests of the American people. And now he’s playing to the crowd in Albania. Despair.
One possible diagnosis is ‘wet brain’. The link is to the Betty Ford explanation.
Try the PARIS HILTON CLINIC instead!!! We all are safeguarding these fools! The Bush sluts.. er.. daughters are surely hanging out with/in Paris..
American Marines are dying for this total breakdown of Direction, Purpose and Leadership.
I f¨cking feel so damn bad that all I can do is rant and rave on the internet and maybe attend a few rallies of - if we are so lucky - 50-odd people.
WHAT the hell can WE do to change this situation?
Voting is obviously not enough.
Although the fact that Sarkozy has gained in strength by Parliamentary votes should idicate that there is SOMEONE who ***HAS HAD ENOUGH***!!!
Next time you eat French Fries.. You should be very humble indeed and call the FREEDOM FRIES for all the RIGHT REASONS!!!
NATO cannot bomb France as they bombed Serbia!!
I am one German who says to the French People: You may have lost the World Cup to treachery by the Italians last year.. but YOU the FRENCH.. the FRANKISH Brothers... have STOOD UP strongly and DEFEANTLY fdor Europe and ALL the Western World!
Merci Miile mille cent mille fois, les Freres Français!!!
Vive Charlemagne et que vive toute L'Europe LIBRE!!
Je suis tres fiers de vous. Nous Allemands n'ont pas votre honte!
Il y aurait un jour que toute L'Europe vous remercierait. Et les Americans ne jamais plus vous appleront des cobardes.
Que honte qu'ils ont!!!
Les French Fries sont Vraimont les FREEDOM FRIES!!
Vive LA FRANCE!!
VIVE LA REPUBLIQUE!!!
VIVE L'EUROPE LIBRE!!
VIVE Toute Le Monde Libre!!
VIVE LA RESISTANCE!!!
Mille fois merci a vous, nôtre freres Franken!!
You are f*ckking brave souls!!!
Le Français ne serait jamais soumis a personne!!
I LOVE your country and I wish I was French and not a cowardly German!!
Allez LES BLEUS!!!!!
Merci pour commencer a la liberation de nous tous, France!!!
Happy/Joyeux 14 Juillet!!!!!
Posted by: Allahfanculo at June 10, 2007 11:02 PM
Only a multi-party system allows for a European Hero like Sarko to rise.. YES the IMMIGRANT SON.. who GIVES a DAMN about his NEW COUNTRY FRANCE!!!
M. Sarkozy.. Le Monde Libre entiere vous remercie.. votre courage... votre infexibilite en face de la so-called "Real-Politique".
M. Sarkozy.. tout L'Europe [silente] vous remercie dans le profond de tous nos coeurs.
En même temps nous souhaitons le Brave peuple Français qui finallement disaint qu'assez est trop pour nous!
Vous avez sonné la clarion de la Libération do nous tous - si ça va jamais prendre place!
pourquoi est-ce que le Français devaient souffrir d'avoir brûler ses voitures par une bande d'illegitimes voyoux?
Frankreich, wir Deutschen Danken Euch!!!
Allez les bons/BELLES BLEUS!!!
Thank YOU for saving EUROPE!!
And... Denmark too...
Posted by: Allahfanculo at June 10, 2007 11:22 PM
Yes, what was that about? cow..I saw it on tv, it is the only place in the world they really loved him,, kissing up! ? All had American flags!
Posted by: MZ at June 10, 2007 11:28 PM
Jewdog posted: If Russia wants a Cold War, I'm sure there's a lot more we can do to give them one. We can always start arming Islamic rebels in central Asia, for example.
What makes you think that Russia will take it lying down. It can return the complement by arming Muslims all over Europe, US and Canada. Morever, we will be deterred from dealing with such rebels in a harsh manner, but Russia will have no such constraints.
at June 10, 2007 11:29 PM
Posted by: Frank [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 10, 2007 7:40 PM
Well stated Frank. I just wish the rest of this nation understood this, and that they demand the politicians they elect understand this as well.
This nation will be doomed by it's own ignorance of historical facts I'm afraid.
at June 10, 2007 11:37 PM
Allahfunculo
Many a time I wrote that our salvation will probably come from the French- this even at the time when everyone was slagging them for not supporting the US/UK in Iraq. The "war", as far as I'm concerned, has always been here, and not in Iraq or any Muslim land.
Lets hope that we dont get too carried away. France has still a long way to go, but it is taking the right steps.
at June 10, 2007 11:42 PM
I hate to harp on it but it is all a loosely interconnected web of lies and deceit that has made us vulnerable to the islamists. Without the communists effort to undermine our ability to recognize the threat we would probably have already arrived at the point of identifying it. But they have been at it for generations and therefore we see the results, like supporting our enemies, bombing our friends, giving money to those who would wipe us off the face of the map, etc, etc. Almost all of our leaders are the products of this insideous plan, they have been very successful. Yuri Bezmenov Soviet KGB agent/defector to the USA on the half century of Soviet psyop’s in America. After you have viewed these short videos you will never see the world in the same light again. Absolutely frightening, what he says is visible all around us. The Soviets started it, the islamists are capitalizing on it. That is precisely why we have seen such schizophrenic policy coming from the guvment for decades. He lays it all out, the huge amount of information available to us yet the inability to recognize good from evil the failure to tell black from white. And it is not only America many foreign pols have been educated here as well. Pass this on to everyone you know who values their freedom. It is progressing at a breakneck speed because they are afraid we will catch on to what they are doing and stop them. The immigration amnesty bill is part of it and that is why they are in a hurry to push it through they don’t want us to know what’s in it, national suicide.
Yuri Bezmenov on demoralization in America
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE8MCSu_K-A&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fpajamasmedia%2Ecom%2F
Bezmenov continues on demoralization in America
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gqd-x0omd_o&mode=related&search=
Bezmenov on Marxists, useful idiots
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5vD3wuFMrE&mode=related&search=
Bezmenov on American mass media
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCDFmaJyB0Q&mode=related&search=
Bezmenov on the Soviet system
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHk5zUf96c0&mode=related&search=
Yuri Bezmenov on KGB interest in yoga, brainwashing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpZsNGAz6jc&mode=related&search=
at June 10, 2007 11:50 PM
I'm normally Right-Wing, but I'm now squarely a Bush hater.
Posted by: Infidel Pride [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 10, 2007 8:41 PM
I'm afraid I have to join ranks with you. What started out as a hopeful beginning to correcting some very bad mistakes has turned out to be a huge dissapointment. It isn't ust Bush either, there are a lot of RINO's who decieved the electorate.
at June 10, 2007 11:50 PM
Want to know what a U.S Marines view is on how his country percieves him?
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1181228588702&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
After you read the article which is pretty intersting itself,scroll down to the comments and start with #1 (Jack).
Be sure to check out Margerats comment which is something like "I just think we need to keep our Military fit and healthy in case we have to fight a war."
I personaly can't really find enough of the correct words to express my support for these brave people.
Heroes
Martyrs
Lions
Imperfect
The best examples of what the above are.
Some are over there believing there is no God.
Some are over there seeing yet more proof there is a God.
We have already won our with Iraq,now it's time Iraq won thier war with Iraq.
"You have enemies? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life."Sir Winston Churchill
Posted by: Dar al-harb
at June 10, 2007 11:54 PM
What makes you think that Russia will take it lying down. It can return the complement by arming Muslims all over Europe, US and Canada.
Posted by: DP111 [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 10, 2007 11:29 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
That's funny. The one thing we don't have much to worry about is Muzzies in Canada. They are so spoiled and addicted to the social programs that they will NEVER do anything to break their lips off the government teat.
They have been spoiled into submission.
Now, those Dearborn Muzzies, there something to keep an eye on, as well as the new 22 million dollar terorist training center in Boston, the largest in North America.
How Ironic it's right in the heart of America hating RAT teritory.
at June 10, 2007 11:55 PM
Why do we treat them as perpetual enemies and in such a humiliating way ...
Posted by: Allahfanculo [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 10, 2007 9:13 PM
I dunno, maybe it has something to do with taking part in the slaughter of 10O million Christians during the 20th century.....
Posted by: Mullahmasher at June 10, 2007 11:59 PM
Mullahmasher
I wish it were so. We in Britain have appeased Muslims, and continue to do so even after 7/7.Just because Canada has been giving Muslims everything they want, doesnt mean that Muslims are going to be satisfied - it will only whet their appetite.
Besides, it doesnt take many to create a state of terror in a country. Just a few months ago, Canadian security services arrested a whole bunch of Canadian muslims on terrorism charges.
Posted by: DP111 at June 11, 2007 12:04 AM
Undivided Serbia is in ALL our interests!
Posted by: Allahfanculo [TypeKey Profile Page]
And I DON"T disagree with much of what you have said.
There have been mistakes by the Ruskies, and also Mistakes by Us government, especially Clinton. Makes me sick that BUSH is atending a "hero's welcome" in Albania.
He should be morning Serbian victims of Clintons war crimes, apologizing to Putin for Clintons stupidity.
THAT would do a lot to soften Putin up, and open dialog on how to end Islamic totalitarianism in the ME.
Heck, between the Russia and the USA, we coud divide it up between us and be quite happy.
at June 11, 2007 12:12 AM
does it not seem strange that the muslims like prez bush?????
Posted by: Texican at June 11, 2007 12:20 AM
I wish it were so. We in Britain have appeased Muslims, and continue to do so even after 7/7.
Posted by: DP111 [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 11, 2007 12:04 AM
I don't disagree, I was being sarcastic in tht post.
Canada is doing the same thing the UK has been doing, appeasement.
Then to add insult to injury, Muzzies are elected to government to advance the Islamic adgenda, all the while idiotic politicians fail to understand what Islam realy is, what it's goals are, and how Muhammadans achieve their goals.
Jihad need not be a hurried process, it can take centuries, or be a sudden violent affair when it's in the jihadists favor.
Jihad is the advancement of Islam the world over, by any and all means,and by all methods.
at June 11, 2007 12:25 AM
Mullahmasher
OOps. Didnt realise you were being sarcastic. It must be the beer and wine at a friends place tonight.
Posted by: DP111 at June 11, 2007 12:36 AM
Allahfunculo
Bush also expressed frustration about the lack of international consensus on granting Kosovo independence from Serbia. "This needs to happen," Bush said. "Now, it's time." The summit in Germany failed to produce an agreement about Kosovo after French President Nicolas Sarkozy called for a delay.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070609/ap_on_re_eu/bush
Bravo yet again Nicolas Sarkozy.
Posted by: DP111 at June 11, 2007 12:42 AM
Bush must be on a roll now that Albanians showing him the L.O.V.E. he doesn't get elsewhere...
Bet ya anything that will translate immediately into millions in aid, weapons transfers and a visa waiver program for his Albanian friends...
Such a love must be rewarded, what say you, you Islamophobes?
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at June 11, 2007 12:43 AM
Posted by: tgusa [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 10, 2007 11:50 PM
Egads! who has time for all that U-tube stuff? (especially on dialup)
I don't disagree that the communist/socialist/marxist "new world order" stuff, it has been a long term effort by elite within the UN.
As far as communist meddling, a good example is
John Kerry's "aledged" association with communist activists during his Viet nam smear campaign. (now he's a senator instead of in prison)
Perhaps this site will interest you, and provide you with more links to pass on to others.
The Earth Charter
at June 11, 2007 12:43 AM
Bravo yet again Nicolas Sarkozy.
Posted by: DP111 [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 11, 2007 12:42 AM
I'm really starting to like that guy. He just might tuern out to be how we wanted Bush to be.
Time will tell I guess. They all seem to start out looking good, then something happens....
Posted by: Mullahmasher at June 11, 2007 12:52 AM
Bush must be on a roll now that Albanians showing him the L.O.V.E. he doesn't get elsewhere...
Bet ya anything that will translate immediately into millions in aid, weapons transfers and a visa waiver program for his Albanian friends...
Such a love must be rewarded, what say you, you Islamophobes?
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at June 11, 2007 12:54 AM
Undivided Serbia is in ALL our interests! Posted by: AllahfanculoExactly. Kosovo is to Serbia/Islam what Sudetenland was to Czechoslovakia/Nazism in 1938. Giving Mohammedans more terretory is like feeding ones left hand to the croc hoping that one is eaten last.
My only quibble with you is that France isn't the country that's showing Europe the light. Serbia is.
I agree with many, if not most, of the theses put forward by Robert et al. on this website about the dangers posed by Islamism. But implying that Albania is somehow part of the problem or is even an enemy of the West is ignorant, ill-informed and tragically wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.Somehow, the Ft Dix gang seem to have missed your memo about how pro-American the Albanians are supposed to have been. Don't make the mistake of conflating Albanian Muslims with Albanian non-Muslims: that would be like conflating Bosnian Serbs and Muslims, or Israeli Jews and Pali Muslims, or Indian Hindus and Indian Muslims... you get the idea?
Posted by: The Northumbrian
It doesn't take much for a country to be de-classified as an enemy - just as Germany stopped being an enemy once Nazism was gone, similarly today's Muslim countries can cease to be enemies once Islam is gone.
Posted by: Infidel Pride at June 11, 2007 12:57 AM
Such a love must be rewarded, what say you, you Islamophobes?
Posted by: sheik yer'mami [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 11, 2007 12:43 AM
Maybe Bush will offer them a sea port.... That way they can smuggle weapons directly instead of waiting for them to arrive via the (failed plan of Bush to sell American sea ports) United Emerates Shipping co.
Posted by: Mullahmasher at June 11, 2007 12:59 AM
Allahfanculo
Regarding your first post near the top, you basically said everything I think about when it comes to this anti Russia business.
I see more and more people here are really starting to see what kind of idiot Bush really is. This bothers me on many levels becuase when Bush started his you're with us or against us speech I thought, finally!
What did the world get, but a fool and court jester who has made the world even worse than what Clinton left.
Does anyone really realize how much crap the Russians have taken from the US? Think about it, in the Cold War they, under Carter created the Mujahadeen, funded it and armed it to the teeth. Now we see the result.
India was a trading partner of the USSR, so what did the US do? Armed Pakistan to the teeth and funded the Pakistani nuclear program. So now the most hardcore Islamic country on earth has nukes becuase of the US. How much more crap are the Russians expected to take, well now we want to partition Kosovo, and Bush is going to see to it.
Sorry, but he just joined the ranks of Clinton and company as traitors to the western world.
Posted by: The fanatic at June 11, 2007 1:08 AM
Posted by: Infidel Pride [TypeKey Profile Page]
After near 200 years of serbs being enslaved under the yoke of Islam, the later part of those years under the ottoman empire Mohammadans, they finally win their freedom in the war of (1917?)
Despite Hitlers attempt to exterminate them via the mufti of jerusalem's (arafats uncle) Nazi ss division, they hung on, only to be slaughtered 50 years later by Clinton and Wesley Clark, and now to add insult to injury, and to put the final nail in the Serb coffin, Bush endorses a move to cut what's left of Serbia in half.
Any wonder why you are an Albanian (Mohammadan) hero Bush?
Posted by: Mullahmasher at June 11, 2007 1:09 AM
If only GWB would stay there.
I would love it if they closed their borders down and forced him to become an honorary, permanent Albanian.
Who do we bribe?
He's shot himself in the feet so many times by now that he must have a size .1 shoe. Up to, and including his misunderstanding of al-Qaeda, his lack of knowledge about Islam (and History in general), his expansion of Big government by providing free drugs for seniors, his failure to control the borders (from 9/12 to today), his absurd Rules of Engagement in Afghanistan and Iraq, the inadequate troop levels in both conflicts, ad nauseam.
A weak warrior, globally, whose domestic plans have been undermining the nation for mere short-term profits, rendering any foreign successes (Albania?) meaningless.
Because the troops will return to a country flooded with illegals and invited-in new Muslims.
I feel like asking for custody of Barney and Miss Beasley.
They deserve better.
As do we.
at June 11, 2007 1:13 AM
The fanatic
While the US deserves its share of the blame for arming Pakistan, and selling those F16s, and all that jizia aid, the Paki nuke program wasn't the work of the US. It was the work of Abdul Qadir Khan, who stole what he could from institutions in the Netherlands, and got what he could from North Korea, and some from China. As far as material goes, Pakistan had long had relations with Libya and Niger (the country that has nothing to offer but Uranium), which enabled it to get what it needed. Pakistan going nuclear isn't something that the US can be blamed for.
Posted by: Infidel Pride at June 11, 2007 1:14 AM
Posted by: The fanatic
I was once a die hard Bush suporter.
No more. He's nothing but an Arab puppet. He's failed to uphold the constitution, and reneged his oath of office to protect our borders. He's granting (or trying to) anesty to crimminals and terrorists.
The problem is, I don't like what's there to replace the government.
Yikes! What a sad state this nation is in.
Posted by: Mullahmasher
at June 11, 2007 1:20 AM
I say We should all ask the Question "Who is Ron Paul?"
That man seems to really have what it takes to make me truly be proud to be American again.
Posted by: Spectacles at June 11, 2007 1:28 AM
If only GWB would stay there.
Maybe he will after his Islamic pals show him a few of the young white slave chicks they have flowing through that vast smuggling network. He should know he's finished in the USA.
Anyways, good to see some familiar faces, it's been a while since I've visited and ranted. I have to hit the sack however, now that I'm good and depressed about the state of afairs this nation is in.
later
at June 11, 2007 1:30 AM
Infidel Pride I'm actually aware of Mr. Khan's work, and I didn't want to draw my post out further than needed. What is fact about the nukes is that it was US money that was put into the project. Yes the US didn't per se create the program, but they did nothing to stop it and if it wasn't for their blind funding Pakistan wouldn't have achieved it.
Now for an interesting point of view on how the US has mis-treated Russia I offer the link below.
Posted by: The fanatic at June 11, 2007 1:39 AM
Mullahmasher,
Gee that’s too bad it is darn interesting and informative. He basically says that our leaders in every field have had this Marxist agenda programmed into them through education and that now we are stuck with them. He says we need to force them to stop helping the communists. He says they have succeeded in their mission to a higher degree that he or comrade Andropov could ever have dreamed possible. If you can find a way to view it at maybe a friend who has hispeed I think you will be glad you did. Thanks for the link.
JSobieski,
Thanks, you are welcome.
Regards
at June 11, 2007 1:56 AM
just in case you haven't seen it yet:
http://sheikyermami.com/2007/06/11/catmeat-sheik-hilali-replaced-by-moderate-jihad-mufti/
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at June 11, 2007 1:56 AM
tgusa,
There's an interesting essay at Armed and Dangerous on this subject, you might like to read.
According to the author, Lazarus Long, the horrendous social consequences of the Gramscian cultural warfare waged against the West by the Russians for decades is currently being taken advantage of by Islam.
I'm not so sure about the essay's premise that Russian communism is dead.
http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=260#
La Russophobe has some excellent articles on current Russian politics.
http://russophobe.blogspot.com/
at June 11, 2007 2:31 AM
Jewdog
If you have learnt NOTHING about the danger of funding & arming Jihadis,suggest you go back to sleep until the Beheading knife is at your throat. As your name suggests the Jewish Faith,do not expect your death to be a quick one...Bet you ain't living in Israel or any danger zone!
Allahfanculo
Great Posts!!
So Georgie Boy is getting a 'Hero's Welcome in Albania'-well he would wouldn't he-as long as this Useful Idiot gives them what they want-Greater Albania. Okay, this fool along with Bliar
Blair has committed every stupid bit of Foreign Policy in the Book.So sit back and wait for PAYBACK TIME...But it won't be Bush & Blair with their security,luxury and privileges who will suffer. Like U.S & British soldiers who are daily blown up,maimed & burned to death, it will be ordinary people who pay for their mistakes.
As for 'peaceful & secular' Albanians described by a few Posters-should be known majority of Albanians live by a barbaric medieval code of revenge killings WHICH HAS RECENTLY INCREASED...
at June 11, 2007 2:37 AM
All of this love for Putin, a symbol of Russian totalitarian instincts in the post-Soviet age, is making me nervous. I don't doubt that the larger threat at the moment is Jihad, but for heaven sakes, a totalitarian Russia is not good for anyone.
"Does anyone really realize how much crap the Russians have taken from the US?"
Correct Answer: NOT NEARLY WHAT THEY DISHED OUT
Do you realize how much crap the Russians dished out to . . . the Hungarians, Poles, Czechs, Romanians, Estonians, Lithuanians, . . . and yes the U.S. and a litany of others!!!!
Jihad is the primary threat at the moment, but Russia and China will try to use Jihad to weaken the west if they can get away with it.
In 1944 there was no benefit for trading Nazi occupation for Soviet occupation, even though the USSR was at that time, a weaker power than Nazi Germany. Do not be so quick to exchange Islamic hegemony for more traditional Russian expansion.
The Russians owe the world more than they can ever repay for being the birthplace of Marxist-Leninist government. Nothing the U.S. or anybody else does to them in the time period from 1992 to the near future is going to come close to what they did to the world from 1939 to 1989.
at June 11, 2007 2:37 AM
There's no question that socialism has been the virus that has infiltrated every country on this planet. The Soviet Union was the chief carrier of this virus, but Russia is not the Soviet Union.
There is nothing to gain by crapping on her, and there is nothing to gain by treating Russia like they are insignificant.
It's time to let go of our prejudices and deal with Russia with some respect as she deserves. Putin isn't an ideal leader, but let's get real here, who's the last one to lead the US that you could hold your head high and say, "He's our guy!"
Posted by: The fanatic at June 11, 2007 3:01 AM
George Bush (pbuh) really knows how to make friends...
And with whom:
http://kosovo.net/hrabuses.html
at June 11, 2007 3:18 AM
Infidel Pride in regards to my post earlier, if your interested read the following link, it's a doozy.
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/They_sold_out_world_for_F16_0426.html
Posted by: The fanatic at June 11, 2007 3:20 AM
Report: Bin Laden linked to Albania
LONDON - The man accused of orchestrating the U.S. Embassy bombings in Africa operates a terrorist network out of Albania that has infiltrated other parts of Europe, The Sunday Times reported.
The newspaper quoted Fatos Klosi, the head of the Albanian intelligence service, as saying a network run by Saudi exile Osama Bin Laden sent units to fight in the Serbian province of Kosovo.
Bin Laden is believed to have established an Albanian operation in 1994 after telling the government he headed a wealthy Saudi humanitarian agency wanting to help Albania, the newspaper reported.
Klosi said he believed terrorists had already infiltrated other parts of Europe from bases in Albania. Interpol believes more than 100,000 blank Albanian passports were stolen in riots last year, providing ample opportunity for terrorists to acquire false papers, the newspaper said.
Apparent confirmation of Bin Laden's activities came earlier this month during the murder trial of Claude Kader, 27, a French national who said he was a member of Bin Laden's Albanian network, the newspaper said.
Kader claimed during the trial he had visited Albania to recruit and arm fighters for Kosovo.
U.S. authorities believe bin Laden, a Saudi exile and militant Muslim, masterminded the bombings of U.S. Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in August that killed 224 people, including 12 Americans.
Three alleged co-conspirators are already jailed in New York.
By The Associated Press
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/bomb162.htm
Posted by: LazarOfSerbia at June 11, 2007 3:23 AM
I am not suggesting that anyone "crap" on Russia or that they be treated as insignificant. I am saying that pining away for Putin is unseemly and foolish.
In the big picture, Putin is hedging his bets with respect to Islam. In the big picture, Putin's Russia is not an ally of the U.S.---at best they can be a helpful rival.
I will not sing the praises of any totalitarian movement. Freedom must always be valued. To sing the praises of Putin is to spit on those persecuted in Putin's Russia.
Estonia recently suffered from a cyber attack that originated from Russia. I stand with the Estonians.
Posted by: JSobieski at June 11, 2007 3:32 AM
My respect for Putin's Russia is similar to my respect for Islam or for a poisonous snake---handle with care.
In that sense, I have the utmost respect for Putin.
Posted by: JSobieski at June 11, 2007 3:33 AM
One last thing . . . Putin has publicly characterized the fall of the USSR as a great "tragedy." So to acknowledge that he is "less than ideal" is understating his goals and impact.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7632057/
If you think Putin is so great, try moving to Russia and living under his regime for a year.
Whitewashing his flaws is exactly what enables Russia to be more dangerous.
Islam must be called on the carpet for what it is.
Russia must be called on the carpet for what it is.
President Bush must be called on the carpet for what he is.
Posted by: JSobieski
at June 11, 2007 3:40 AM
Everyone has his own sins, but now its time for US to improve relations with Russia, not with Albania. Putin is doing what is in interest of Russia and I really can't figure out how pres. Bush defends interests of the US in Albania...?
Posted by: LazarOfSerbia at June 11, 2007 3:58 AM
Posted by: DP111
Lets hope that we dont get too carried away. France has still a long way to go, but it is taking the right steps.
The french do have a very long way to go,considering how they allow the muslims to destroy churches in the Balkans
Also how they allow Hezbollah re-arm in Lebanon
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Posted by: LazarOfSerbia
Everyone has his own sins, but now its time for US to improve relations with Russia, not with Albania. Putin is doing what is in interest of Russia and I really can't figure out how pres. Bush defends interests of the US in Albania...?
Good Point
http://illustratedpig.blogspot.com/2007/06/brown-nosed-bush-is-suckered.html
Posted by: shiva at June 11, 2007 4:09 AM
Albanian gangsters have been for the past decade been taking control of prostitution in London. There was a case several years ago of a girl being stabbed to death by her Albanian pimp on the platform of an underground station. One of the killers of Mary Ann Leneghan, one of the most shocking and cruel murders in British history, was an ethnic Albanian.
Please don't let any more of these people into your countries.
at June 11, 2007 4:15 AM
Memories are short here, so here is a little reminder
FOUR OUT OF SIX ISLAMIST TERROR PLOTTERS IN US KOSOVO ALBANIANS
WASHINGTON POST (USA)
Plot illustrates Balkans' role as Islamist foothold
Prosecutors described the men as "radical Islamists," with four coming from the province of Kosovo in the former Yugoslavia, where the ethnic Albanian population of Muslims fought one of the several wars that grew out of the breakup of Yugoslavia in the 1990s. Suspect Agron Abdullahu, who faces only weapons violations in the case, was described in court papers as a "sniper in Kosovo." U.S. officials said the Islamists were motivated by al Qaeda sympathies.
Fort Dix hosted Kosovo Albanian refugees in 1999. Eight year's later
4 Kosovo Albanian jihaddists planned to attack this US military facility
seeking to kill hundreds of US soldiers
By Bill Gertz
Published May 9, 2007
The six foreign-born Muslims accused of planning a shooting attack at the U.S. military base included four ethnic Albanians, and U.S. officials say their arrests highlight how Islamist groups are using the Balkans region to help in recruiting and financing terrorism.
Prosecutors described the men as "radical Islamists," with four coming from the province of Kosovo in the former Yugoslavia, where the ethnic Albanian population of Muslims fought one of the several wars that grew out of the breakup of Yugoslavia in the 1990s. Suspect Agron Abdullahu, who faces only weapons violations in the case, was described in court papers as a "sniper in Kosovo."
U.S. officials said the Islamists were motivated by al Qaeda sympathies and that ringleader Mohamad Ibrahim Shnewer, who was born in Jordan, had copies of the wills of two September 11 terrorists on his laptop computer.
The other suspect in the group -- accused of seeking to kill hundreds of soldiers at Fort Dix, N.J. -- was born in Turkey.
U.S. officials said intelligence reports from the Balkans have identified a support structure for several terrorist groups, including al Qaeda, among the Muslim communities in Albania and in the former Yugoslavia, including Bosnia-Herzegovina, Kosovo and Macedonia.
"When it comes to extremists, we're talking about very, very small pockets in Albania, as well as among the ethnic Albanian populations in Kosovo, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Macedonia and other parts of the Balkans," said one official with access to intelligence reports.
The official pointed out that the Albanian government has been supportive of U.S. efforts to counter Islamic terrorist activities, including curbing logistics and financial aid, and working to prevent terrorists from receiving training and weapons.
But a Congressional Research Service report produced in 2005 said instability in Albania during the 1990s gave al Qaeda a "foothold" there.
"Poor internal security, lax border controls, and high rates of crime produced an environment conducive to terrorist activity," said the report by CRS specialist Steven Woehrel. "Some foreign Islamic extremists used Albania as a safe haven and gained Albanian citizenship."
Balkan Muslims also have been targets of al Qaeda recruitment efforts because they have an easier time blending in or evading U.S. and European security measures and border controls, which often are geared to identifying Middle Eastern extremists.
The State Department's latest annual report on international terrorism said the Albanian government has taken steps to stop terrorism financing but noted that "government and police forces faced substantial challenges to fully enforce border security and combat organized crime and corruption."
The Albanian government identified seven financial holdings by terrorist groups last year that were frozen.
Israeli government sources have said that agents for the Palestinian militant group Hamas, as well as the Shi'ite Hezbollah, have been actively buying weapons from organized-crime groups in the Balkans.
Bosnia also has a large Muslim community that in the past has provided a base of support for al Qaeda and other terrorists. After the 1995 Dayton Peace Accords, most Islamic radicals, who were helping Bosnia's Muslims fend off the Orthodox Christian Serbs, left the Balkans, but some remained behind.
"It is estimated that several hundred former fighters stayed behind in Bosnia after the war and became Bosnian citizens by marrying Bosnian women,"
the CRS report said. "Some al Qaeda operatives in Bosnia reportedly had connections to members of Bosnia's intelligence service."
European intelligence agencies estimate that as many as 750 Muslim former fighters remain hidden in Bosnia and have acted as a supply network to send guns, money and documents to terrorists passing through the region.
Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden and other al Qaeda leaders often mention Bosnia as an important example of jihad, or holy war.
"Terrorist recruiting videos often include footage of combat in Bosnia," the CRS report said.
According to the Associated Press, a joint U.S.-Croatian intelligence report produced last year stated that Algerian extremists were active in the Balkans. Bosnia's intelligence service last year published information on 15 extremists living in that country: eight Algerians, two Syrians, two Tunisians and an Egyptian, Kuwaiti and Yemeni.
Officials also said the nongovernmental organization Revival of Islamic Heritage Society remains active in the region and spreads the radical Wahhabi form of Islam that animates al Qaeda.
Posted by: shiva at June 11, 2007 4:28 AM
Why cannot this be an area where Russia and the U.S. agree?
The U.S. policy regarding Kosovo and the Balkans is entirely odd.
Russia and the West have a lot more in common than differences and should be allies against Islam.
at June 11, 2007 4:33 AM
Mike_W,
Thanks, nice links. It is all out there for anyone to read. It just seems like some people are too scared to discover the truth. If we keep it up the tide will turn. As your first link stated,
“I remain more optimistic than this. I think there is still an excellent chance that the West can recover from suicidalism without going through a fevered fascist episode and waging a genocidal war. But to do so, we have to do more than recognize Stalin’s memes; we have to reject them. We have to eject postmodern leftism from our universities, transnational progressivism from our politics, and volk-Marxism from our media.”
Exactly.
For many years during the cold war I hoped that the Russians would turn it around and make friends with us. They never did, quite the opposite really.
at June 11, 2007 4:56 AM
The agnostics and atheists here will despise me for this but, what the heck.
The Immaculate Heart of Mary will save Russia. It has been entrusted to Her.
http://www.fatima.org/essentials/message/reqconsec.asp
at June 11, 2007 5:21 AM
So, has this site now degenerated into a platform for naked race hatred? Some of the ignorant, spiteful and racist generalizations made here about Albanians are more than I can stomach. Taking a few egregious examples, whether they be criminals or jihadists, and then projecting these as typical of the entire Albanian nation is asinine and contemptible.
Posted by: The Northumbrian at June 11, 2007 5:24 AM
From mullmasher:
"There have been mistakes by the Ruskies, and also Mistakes by Us government, especially Clinton. Makes me sick that BUSH is atending a "hero's welcome" in Albania.
He should be mourning Serbian victims of Clintons war crimes, apologizing to Putin for Clintons stupidity.
THAT would do a lot to soften Putin up, and open dialog on how to end Islamic totalitarianism in the ME.
Heck, between the Russia and the USA, we coud divide it up between us and be quite happy."
Well said that man. I know i've said it before but....here it goes again.....how can such a great country as the US get it so wrong foreign policy wise? HOW?
Also agree with your comments about the le nouveau French prez.
The French have not been submerged in self hating PC drivel.
Someone had previously mentioned Fatos Klasi, the ex head of the Albanian secret services , SHIK. He'd preivously reported that bin laden had been organising mujahideed for the 99 Kosmet terror operation. Perhaps even scarier was the Al Qaeda's number two's younger brother, muhammed al zawahiri who was the key guy in Albania - muhammed al zawahiri was captured a couple of years ago and sent back to egypt - no doubt Egyptian security were able to get some practice with their black and decker tool kits on him.
Slobo had spoken of Fatos Klasi's connection of Bin laden vis a vis Albania at the ICTY hearings. Page 409 - if anyone's interested - in Slobo's powerful opening address.
http://www.un.org/icty/transe54/020215IT.htm
Posted by: ewha1 at June 11, 2007 5:50 AM
'Race hatred?'
Albanians are a 'race?'
The only thing that makes them a different race is possibly 40 years in isolation under Enver Hodschas dictatorship and 1000 years of Islam on European soil. Otherwise they look like Europeans, which is a real worry.
And for the sake of getting banned, to you 'nothumbrian' troll I say: 'piss off and don't try your Muzz-BS distortions here again...
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at June 11, 2007 6:39 AM
'Race hatred?'
Albanians are a 'race?'
The only thing that makes them a different race is possibly 40 years in isolation under Enver Hodschas dictatorship and 1000 years of Islam on European soil. Otherwise they look like Europeans, which is a real worry.
And for the sake of getting banned, to you 'nothumbrian' troll I say: 'piss off and don't try your Muzz-BS distortions here again...
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at June 11, 2007 6:42 AM
Albania presents itself as a democracy but I promise you there are "hit squads" roaming the country enforcing sharia law. It won't take long before women are in burqas and honor killings are the norm (if it isn't already). Everyone blames GW but where's Condi in all this?
I hate to tell you this Norhtumbrian but most albanians are muslim which means they are bound by sharia to dominate and/or destroy and I for one really, really resent that.
at June 11, 2007 8:10 AM
Did you hear the news on CNN? Albania is the most pro-American European country! No kidding! CNN says so!
Posted by: ofcourse at June 11, 2007 10:55 AM
Yeah, and they love G.Bush.
He should run for next president of Albania
Posted by: LazarOfSerbia at June 11, 2007 12:15 PM
it doesn't suprise me one bit that bush supports independence for kosovo the usa never changes its foreing policy clinton and bush are on the same side of the coin.
The American goverment wants world domination they think they can tell others what to do. The problem is I Don't think Bush is on war with terrorism or islam his at war with anyone that stands in americas way of world domination russia is the obstatcle for American world domination. America is the biggest supporter of islam in Europe and russia because America knows that where ever islam goes they become islamic and break up and it makes it easy for the usa to control. America would love russia to break up so it can take the russian oil and be more powerful. the reason for bush supporting kosovo to be indenpendent is because they want a american base in kosovo probably to put a missle defence radar there in the future to point at russia as they are doing now in poland and chzeslovakia. I really can't blame putin fornot trasting the usa who would trust there neighbour if they where pointing spy radars towards you
Posted by: Greek Gurl at June 11, 2007 2:09 PM
The problem here is that almost everyone who visits this site has an interest in seeing the end of the Islamists.
This will never be achieved so long as the US and Russia are at each others throats.
The madness between these two needs to stop, and if the world is to survive this plague, common ground needs to be found.
Partitioning Kosovo, and pointing missles at Russia puts this scenario into the impossible column.
Yes Russia needs to stop selling arms to Iran, and the US needs to stop supplying everybody else in that region.
Unless someone wakes up we are going to be overrun because of our own stupidity.
Posted by: The fanatic at June 11, 2007 2:45 PM
Fanatic
I agree that the US has to be more consistent in opposing the Jihad everywhere - they can't support it in the Balkans, and then expect others to take them seriously.
But so does Russia - they can't support Syria and Iran against Israel, and expect to be taken seriously as an anti-Jihad force.
Posted by: Infidel Pride at June 11, 2007 2:58 PM
sad and troubling.
this reminded me of the Lantos speech at
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/016172.php
the whole Kosovo thing may just be George "religion of peace" Bush sending a friendly message to the Saudis.
sometimes i think that with him at the helm, all Al-Qaeda has to do is wait.
at June 11, 2007 5:15 PM
Sheik yer'mami, you are a total imbecile, and are clearly arguing from a position of ignorance when it comes to Albania. Instead of arguing your corner in a civil manner, you resort to the use of crass language. Telling someone to "p*** off" obviously represents the apogee of your rhetorical skills. You lost, I won.
Posted by: The Northumbrian at June 11, 2007 10:08 PM
Sheik yer'mami, you are a total imbecile, and are clearly arguing from a position of ignorance when it comes to Albania. Instead of arguing your corner in a civil manner, you resort to the use of crass language. Telling someone to "p*** off" obviously represents the apogee of your rhetorical skills. You lost, I won.
Posted by: The Northumbrian at June 11, 2007 10:08 PM
Sheik yer'mami, you are a total imbecile, and are clearly arguing from a position of ignorance when it comes to Albania. Instead of arguing your corner in a civil manner, you resort to the use of crass language. Telling someone to "p*** off" obviously represents the apogee of your rhetorical skills. You lost, I won.
Posted by: The Northumbrian at June 11, 2007 10:08 PM
Sheik yer'mami, you are a total imbecile, and are clearly arguing from a position of ignorance when it comes to Albania. Instead of arguing your corner in a civil manner, you resort to the use of crass language. Telling someone to "p*** off" obviously represents the apogee of your rhetorical skills. You lost, I won.
Posted by: The Northumbrian at June 11, 2007 10:10 PM
Sheik yer'mami, you are a total imbecile, and are clearly arguing from a position of ignorance when it comes to Albania. Instead of arguing your corner in a civil manner, you resort to the use of crass language. Telling someone to "p*** off" obviously represents the apogee of your rhetorical skills. You lost, I won.
Posted by: The Northumbrian at June 11, 2007 10:10 PM
Sheik yer'mami, you are a total imbecile, and are clearly arguing from a position of ignorance when it comes to Albania. Instead of arguing your corner in a civil manner, you resort to the use of crass language. Telling someone to "p*** off" obviously represents the apogee of your rhetorical skills. You lost, I won.
Posted by: The Northumbrian at June 11, 2007 10:16 PM
Sheik yer'mami, you are a total imbecile, and are clearly arguing from a position of ignorance when it comes to Albania. Instead of arguing your corner in a civil manner, you resort to the use of crass language. Telling someone to "p*** off" obviously represents the apogee of your rhetorical skills. You lost, I won.
Posted by: The Northumbrian at June 11, 2007 10:16 PM
Greek gurl,
We do not want world domination, I love Putin!
He at least speaks on a civilized level and I really think if we work together we can come to a mutual understanding that our enemy is the same. It is the destructive tenets of Islam.
Now I do not agree that GW has called for Kosovo to become an Islamic state in partnership with albania and I am bigoted toward any islamic state as their basic goals are the same , islamic hegemony. I think I much prefer the type of hegemony I live under now than that which islam would give me. Sorry,kid. I love my freedom.
at June 11, 2007 10:17 PM
OK, he sells out the Serbs who put their lives on the line in two World Wars. He's keeping the fence down on the border and so far three Border Patrol members are paying for that policy with jail time in addition to at least one Texas Deputy. Add to that, his support for the Immigration Bill and instant amnesty for 12 to 20 Million illegal aliens. OK, help me out here, how is he different from Hillary's husband?
Posted by: JeromeFromLayton at June 11, 2007 11:47 PM
From malcontent:
"the whole Kosovo thing may just be George "religion of peace" Bush sending a friendly message to the saudis.
sometimes i think that with him at the helm, all Al-Qaeda has to do is wait.
The Saudi influence on the US was certainly a big part of Clinton's siding with the Sarajevo islamists and later on the Al Qaeda linked KLA.
They told Billy-Boy they expected some payback for having allowed US bases in their country in the Kuwaiti war. Billy boy concurred with them and so the "you are pulling my leg please say so" policy of arming the Mujahideen with Iranian help was put into place. The US air force would pretend to not to see the air shipments of guns etc fly into Islamist airports.
"Their forefathers gave their lives over the skies of Japan and Germany. Oh , how the mighty fall"
Dubya carried on where billy-boy left off , going so far as to use US troops to retrieve mujahideen who were about to be obliterated by Macedonian troops in 2001.
"The cavalry's to the rescue....tan ta ran ta raaaaaah"
The Dutch report - no Serbophiles by any means - speak at length about this Saudi influence.
I always laugh when people talk about the powerful Israeli lobby in the States.
Posted by: ewha1 at June 12, 2007 12:28 AM
JeromefromLayton, the Albanians also put their lives on the line in WW2 fighting the Nazi and Italian fascist occupiers. Albania has never sought to establish a Greater Albania by uniting with Kosovo. This has never been on the Albanian political agenda, past or present. Yugoslavia, however however did once toy with the idea of annexing Albania (Stalin hinted to Tito before they fell out that this might be a good idea).
Infidel Pride, supporting or being friends with Albania is not inconsistent with opposing jihad. Albania is not an outpost of Islamic extremism or the next home of Bin Laden as some of the blinkered Serb nationalists or Albanophobes who post would have us believe. Albania has sent several hundred troops to both Iraq and Afghanistan. The Albanian government has explicitly supported the war on terror. Moreover, Albanian public opinion also firmly supports their government's pro-American stance. Not quite the same as in Pakistan to say the least.
Posted by: The Northumbrian at June 12, 2007 2:42 AM
You don't call it a Greater Albania you call it a "Natural Albania" but that doesn't change the intent.
If we want to talk about Albanians putting their lives on the line in WW2 thats true but you have to ask yourself what side were they on and the Majority of "Natural" Albanians were on the side of the Nazi's in the SS Skenderbeg and the SS Handzaar Divisions. In return for their loyalty (and ofcourse their skill at Hitler carved a piece of Serbia (Kosovo and a bit more), Macedonia, Montenegro and Greece to form "Natural Albania"
And before you bring up the number of Jews Saved by the Albanians yes we know you saved them but you killed many more than that. So what have we really learned? Nothing same old arguments ad Nauseum. There are good Albanians, Bad Albanians, Gangster Albanians, Craftsmen Albanians, Jihadi Albanians, Catholic Albanians, Nazi Albanians, Jew Saving Albanians.
In the end though the proportions do matter somewhat so if we have alot more Bad, Nazi, Jihadi Gangster Albanians in power than the Good, Craftsman, Catholic, Jew saving variety. Then there is a problem.
However if your only real problem is that the press coverage between Serbian and Albanian actions are evening out and people are finding out that Albanians have done their fair share of cruel vicious things as any other Balkan nation and can no longer be labeled as hapless Victims than well all I can say is tough it out if the Irish could do it when they were the bad guy in the Northern Ireland Conflict, when the Serbs could do it and still do at times, when the Germans could do it after WW2 then why can't the Albanians take the heat? They can and they will the Crucible builds a stronger better people in the long run.
And Northunbrian come on you didn't have to repeat yourself a bunch of times thats just childish, unless you mis-clicked but that seems unlikely due to the sheer number of posts.
Posted by: Spectacles at June 12, 2007 3:37 AM
Spectacles, my short-sighted friend, I can assure you that my multiple posts were the result of a software fault and nothing more sinister than that.
So, you have weighed the Albanian nation and found them wanting ("there are more bad nazi jihadi gangster Albanians ...than good craftsmen Catholic yada yada yada Albanians"). Well, congratulations on exposing yourself as a good old-fashioned racist bigot. Spectacles, I suggest you change your optician, because you have developed some rather blinkered jaundiced views. In fact, I can't see the qualitative difference between your views on Albanians and the nasty anti-semitism that passes for fact in much of the Islamic world.
Posted by: The Northumbrian at June 12, 2007 4:40 AM
And meanwhile...
"Serbian police said Tuesday they discovered a large cache of rifle bullets and bomb-making material in a series of raids in a tense Muslim-populated region.
About 10,000 bullets and 15 kilograms of plastic explosives were discovered Monday in the tense southern Sandzak region bordering Kosovo, Serbia's Interior Minister Dragan Jocic said.
He said that the police believe the weapons were intended for "terrorist actions" by Muslim extremists against targets in the region, including a local police station."
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1181570252866&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
Posted by: LazarOfSerbia at June 12, 2007 6:38 AM
Northumbrian, stop spaming us with your dhimi lies. We here all know how Albanians fought nazis in ww2. With SS Skenderbeg division killing Serbs and Jews in Kosovo. NAZIMUSLIMJIHADLIAR!!!!
Bush, however, did not show any clear support for the Albanian cause. I think it was more like drum dancing in Africa. Marketing sharade. Still, I'm very concerned about US next moves.
Russians can be US partners, and that's the natural way of things. Only, US must show at least some respect to Russia. OK, USSR lost ideological war, there is no more comunism, but we all are still Christians, aren't we? Russia is capitalist now, and I'm sure that they have no interest being enemies with US.
US is the one who were helping Islam against "greater" enemy, commies. Or Serbs. US is the one who must leave cold war era thinking.
I salute you Robert!
Posted by: WallsofByzant at June 12, 2007 6:51 AM
http://videoshqip.blogspot.com/
Watch closely!!!
Under the tree, Bush has wrist watch on his left arm. Then he goes to the right to hug and kiss. Few moments later the watch is gone.
LONG LIVE US-ALBANIAN FRIENDSHIP!!!
ROFLMAO
Posted by: WallsofByzant at June 12, 2007 7:24 AM
BOY IS THAT PRICELESS OR WHAT.
ARF ARF ARF ARF ARF ARF
waits for lovely , divine and fragrant Northumbrian to blame the theft on the Serbs
BOY IS THAT PRICELESS OR WHAT
Posted by: ewha1 at June 12, 2007 8:20 AM
From sensitive yet still fragrant Northumbrian:
"Some of the ignorant, spiteful and racist generalizations made here about Albanians are more than I can stomach
So what the f*&king f*&k are still doing here then , f*(k 'ed?
Posted by: ewha1 at June 12, 2007 8:42 AM
Was it you , fragrant yet still lovely , Northumbrian , who.....cough......borrowed Dubya's watch?
I demand answers , oh fragrant and lovely one
OT the Albanians are the justifiable leaders in both
a) pill box construction
and
b) kiddie porn
Maybe , by stealing watches , it's just their way of branching out.
at June 12, 2007 8:48 AM
u people, we have an old and still fashoned saying here in albania which in albania is "Feja e shqiptarit është shqiptar
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