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"Private undercover team exposes nationwide network of radical, anti-U.S. Islamic centers" -- The headline from this article
"Private" undercover team?
The government should be funding this. There should not be 12 agents, but 120 or 1200. Every single mosque and madrasa, every Muslim group, should know it is or can be monitored. If the government is unwilling to do this, as it has been, then private parties -- not all of whom have the means -- must fund what should be a national effort.
Let me repeat again what I have put up here a hundred times before:
The large-scale presence of Muslims in the Lands of the Infidels has created a situation that is much more unpleasant, expensive, and physically insecure than would be the case without that large-scale presence -- both for the indigenous Infidels and other Infidels who have arrived hoping to share the fruits of that Infidel nation-state, its political and legal institutions, its stability, and its guarantee of individual rights.
No one in Great Britain, in France, in Spain, in Germany, in Denmark, in Sweden, in Norway, in Belgium, in The Netherlands, in Italy can deny the truth of that statement. No matter what people then think can, or assume cannot, be done about it, the truth of that statement remains. And no sentimentalizing about "diversity." What stands against real diversity more than Islam itself, which teaches that ideally the whole globe should be covered with Islam and nothing but Islam? Nor should there be any more sentimentalizing about "moderate" Muslims. “Moderate" about what? Why do they have to be "moderate" unless the thing -- Islam -- which they offer only in "moderation" is itself, in essence, a menace, a permanent threat to Infidels?
Americans must have the wit to investigate Islam (not just the Qur'an, but the Hadith and sira). They should investigate its unambiguous and uncompromising view of a world divided between Believers and Infidels, with the former having a right to remove any and all perceived barriers to Islam, even if those barriers are merely those of Infidels who, contrary to Muslims, permit freedom of speech, permit freedom of conscience including the right of individuals to choose another faith or no faith at all, permit equality of the sexes, permit equality of faiths and would never permit a Shari'a-like situation.
Islam flatly contradicts the spirit and letter of the Western world. In this, it is completely unlike Buddhism, or Hinduism, or any other creed that one might call alien to the Judeo-Christian tradition out of which the advanced Western democracies have come. For it is not merely an alien creed, but an alien and a permanently hostile creed. And no amount of taqiyya-and-tu-quoque nonsense, from that business of the "three abrahamic faiths" to "we all worship the same God" (oh no we don't) to "it's just a handful of (choose one or more as nouns and adjectives: extremists, Islamists, radicals),” will change that.
Islam isn't the most complicated subject in the world. Reading the Qur'an, and rereading it, with a guide not written by an apologist, together with a few hundred of the Hadith, and the Sira or biography of Muhammad, will do much to disabuse one of any misconceptions about the peacefulness of Islam. Muslim websites, a click away, further convey the habit of mental submission, a habit that leaches into all areas of life for Muslims, so that they are prone to conspiracy theories of every sort. They are ready to believe all kinds of things in order to avoid thinking about what should be the most obvious thing: how it is that Islam connects to, prompts, and explains the political despotism, the economic backwardness, the social inequities, the intellectual stasis or rather paralysis, of Muslim societies. It explains all that to the precise extent that Islam in those societies remains unconstrained either by some other force -- an ideological one such as Kemalism in Turkey, or another loyalty, such as a non-Arab ethnic identity (the Kurds, the Berbers) that might serve to brake one's singleminded loyalty to Islam which is felt, if not always recognized, as a vehicle of Arab supremacism.
Why must private parties be scrambling for funds (sometimes with little success), when they are, as in this case, doing exactly what the American government should be, but apparently is not, doing? And who will pay for campaigns of counter-Da'wa in the prisons? Or among the black and Hispanic population? Who will pay for security at conferences, or on campuses, so that speeches can be heard that will convey something of the truth? Why should not Congress take this on, and pass a law, to ensure that guarantees of the exercise of the right of free speech be made less theoretical by the full force of the government and the security services, ensuring that there is no disruption?
Where is the American government in all this? Oh, it's fighting the "war on terror" in Iraq, $880 billion down, and climbing. It's fighting that war by building a $595 million Embassy. It's fighting that war by handing out tens of billions of dollars in financial aid, now being supplemented by tens of billions on military aid, to both Sunni Arabs and Shi'a Arabs, building up to Western standards what is called an "Iraqi" army, an "Iraqi" police force.
That learning curve is still almost horizontal. What Presidential candidate, uttering what phrase in what speech, will put a stop to this? Which one will say "Stop the Jizyah of foreign aid to Muslim countries and let them get such aid from Saudi Arabia and other fabulously, and undeservedly rich, Arab and Muslim countries"? How's that to get the ball rolling, and something like a real discussion going?
Posted by Hugh at June 14, 2007 9:14 AM
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at June 14, 2007 9:24 AM
I found this on the mappingsharia.com website. It is their answer to Hugh's question as to why the FBI is not involved.:
" Keep in mind two things. The FBI refuses to understand Islam and Jihad because it would violate the premised introduction to this statement ( see statement here: http://www.mappingsharia.us/Muslim-Conversions-in-Prison-and-the-FBIs-PC-Party-Line-article-427-73.htm ) and the statement issued in the name of the FBI’s “Multi-Cultural Advisory Committee”: “An individual or groups’ faith or ethnic background is not a basis for suspicion.”
But the question remains to be asked: On what basis does the FBI conclude that the “religion” of Islam and those who profess to be its faithful should not be under suspicion?
Has the FBI conducted a careful examination of the history and jurisprudence of Islam? Is violent Jihad a notion foreign to Islam? Was Mohammed a peaceful and noble prophet or a violent charlatan capable of converting by persuasion and by sword primitive Arab pagan tribes of the Arabian Peninsula?
The answers are not hard to come by. And the fact that the FBI begins its work day living a lie literally because it is the multi-cultural PC mandated by and for government law enforcement agencies, suggests precisely the raison d’étre of Mapping Shari’a in America: Knowing the Enemy!
While our careful investigative results and expert analysis will be made available to the nation’s federal and local law enforcement agencies and counter-terrorism experts, we warn you now that these agencies will not likely act on the results. Indeed, the government PC patrols will likely denounce them as “discriminatory”, “inflammatory”, and “not very helpful”. And, indeed, we begin by explaining that our work is quite discriminating.
We will not be investigating Christian churches or Jewish synagogues. Only Muslim mosques and Islamic day schools. And the reason is simple: we are looking for terrorists; not patriotic Americans who have proven their support of our Constitution with their lives. And, when we find mosques and Islamic day schools which reject Shari’a and Jihad, we will gladly report this and index the threat risk accordingly. But intelligence and counter-terrorism field work and back-office analysis cannot, we repeat, cannot be done if the field agents and analysts are not prepared to discriminate. That is the very nature of our jobs."
at June 14, 2007 9:34 AM
The FBI needs a concerted policy of recruiting Arab-Americans of Christian background, not just for purposes of translating documents and recorded conversations, but for infiltrating mosques and Islamic groups and institutions.
Posted by: Cornelius at June 14, 2007 9:58 AM
The FBI is not going to print an internal training pamphlet explaining Muslims are to be targeted. The FBI is not going to expose itself to lawsuits and congressional investigations like that. The job of the FBI is to win court cases. Not to publish historical analysis of religous groups.
I suspect the CIA and the Military have come over to the FBI's point of view. The long term solution for terrorsits in our custody is a solid court case. That will put them away for 30-40 years. If we go around scooping up "inteligance assets" then we end up with GitMo. A bunch of Psycos we cant prosicute without exposing our agents.
at June 14, 2007 10:19 AM
Leave Iraq Now-
Not to mention the fact that CAIR has worked with many FBI branches in regards to "cultural sensitivity".
-XRDC
Posted by: XRDC at June 14, 2007 10:26 AM
Good work Hugh.
Why is the Department of Homeland Security leadership a joke ?
Between the beltway whores, the Wahhabi petro largesse, and the State Department (pushing shamnesty), with the Prez in his most useless incarnation (in a Harriet Myers cloak), one has to wonder at the resiliency of the West.
Well we are the West; the West is not the mainstreammedia.
What a great fight. We may not win, but methinks we will.
Posted by: dgene at June 14, 2007 10:30 AM
Read 'Infiltration' and you will be surprised (or maybe not) to find that they hire muslims to interpret documents. And they give them the prayer rooms, and whatever else their muslim hearts desire. Oh, and that also includes not hiring Jews who speak arabic because that would just be like hiring dogs, or pigs, to a muslim's acute sensibilities.
Now, I read that book a few years ago and I would hope that they have changed. Do I expect that they have changed? It is like letting the commies work in the FBI and CIA during the Cold War... oh, I almost got silly - FDR, and subsequent administrations, did just that and even after FDR was told that they had communists in his administratin - he laughed. Later, when McCarthy was trying to do something about the infiltration of communists the left wing demonized McCarthy, and his team, only to find out when the files were opened in 1995 the communists that McCarthy pointed out were indeed spies that had successfully infiltrated our government.
Oops, it seems like we haven't learned a thing. I do believe that to be a politician you must have an awareness level of absolute zero - maybe this is why the Arabs were able to discover 'zero' - they were so good at being 'zeros'. (haha - I guess I am amusing myself now)
Posted by: R_not at June 14, 2007 10:38 AM
"Where is the American government in all this?"
Don't be suprised if the FBI infiltrates Mr. Gaubatz's team as a right-wing extremist group that needs to be monotored for its possible threat to the civil liberties of Muslims.
I can also smell possibe charges of "hate crime" in all this.
Posted by: rational at June 14, 2007 10:42 AM
Guys, you don't understand one very important fact: the FBI CANNOT violate the US Constitution. And our First Amendment is?
This is EXACTLY why, in conjunction with either a law or Executive Order from the '70s forbiding these exact activities, the FBI cannot use religion as the sole basis to do ANYTHING.
So forget what you think or know about the FBI Agent or Analyst...even if they understand Islam, their hands are still tied.
Posted by: Miss_Anthrope at June 14, 2007 11:09 AM
COINTELPRO was the program I was trying to recall. From encyclopedia:
Some of the largest COINTELPRO campaigns targeted the Socialist Worker's Party, the Ku Klux Klan, the "New Left" including several anti-war groups such as the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) and the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee, Black nationalist groups such as the Black Panthers and the Republic of New Africa, Puerto Rican independence groups, the American Indian Movement, and the Weather Underground.
The program was secret until 1971, when an FBI field office in Media, Pennsylvania, was burglarized by a group of left-wing radicals calling themselves the Citizens' Commission to Investigate the FBI. Several dossiers of files were taken and the information passed to news agencies, many of which initially refused to publish the information. Within the year, Director Hoover declared that the centralized COINTELPRO was over, and that all future counterintelligence operations would be handled on a case-by-case basis.
Posted by: Miss_Anthrope at June 14, 2007 11:24 AM
"Where is the American government in all this?" Or perhaps one could ask, "where is the FBI on this?"
From today's National Post, I read: "FBI sponsors Axis of Evil show in funny attempt to recruit Muslims." (interestingly, the word "funny" in this headline contains a pun, probably unintended). The FBI is "enlisting comedians" (that's Muslim-only comedians) to "spruce-up its image with Muslims and Arab Americans."
Readers are then presented with an example of Muslim "comedy": an Egyptian says, "It's so nice to be standing in front of the FBI and not be handcuffed." or how about: "I hope they tap my phone. I have a lot to say."
If I understand the article correctly, the FBI is sponsoring this anti-American, white-wash of terrorism, so-called "comedy" show called the "Axis of Evil" (and, of course, the "Axis of Evil" is America and the FBI, not jihadist terrorists.
Frankly, I can somewhat understand the Leftist media here having Canadian tax-payers pay for such tripe as "Little Mosque on the Prairie" -- but the FBI?
I could also describe why (imo) this kind of "Muslim comedy" does not work. It's not funny because it's agenda is to make "happy talk" about barbarous Islamic practices -- and if anyone has a "problem" with it, then it's the fault of the Infidels, not Muslims.
I am of the opinion, that to counteract the Dhimmi state that America now finds itself in, we must develop a counter comedy. (this would be, of course, anti-PC and probably risky in our current state of Dhimwhitude.)
Posted by: J.S. at June 14, 2007 11:26 AM
Forgot to add the Senate Church Committee, which thoroughly castigated the FBI for COINTELPRO. From encyclopedia:
The Church Committee is the common term referring to the United States Senate Select Committee to Study Governmental Operations with Respect to Intelligence Activities, a U.S. Senate committee chaired by Senator Frank Church (D-ID) in 1975. A precursor to the U.S. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, the committee investigated intelligence gathering for illegality by the CIA and FBI after certain activities had been revealed by the Watergate affair.
Posted by: Miss_Anthrope at June 14, 2007 11:28 AM
Where did this happen???? Ewww!!!
I think it's based on the non-discrimination policy, when what the FBI SHOULD do is hire non-muzlims who speak Arabic or Urdu.
I AM SICK OF ALL THESE LAWS FORCING US INTO THIS KIND OF CRAP!
Okay, I feel better now...
Posted by: Miss_Anthrope at June 14, 2007 11:34 AM
There is a lesson to be learned, do not depend on the government.
Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at June 14, 2007 11:49 AM
"Read 'Infiltration' and you will be surprised (or maybe not) to find that they hire muslims to interpret documents."
According to the National Post article, an Egyptian FBI agent (who was fired in May 2003 for allegations that he had lied "about a 15-year-old insurance fraud" -- and who was later reinstated), says he's "concerned by the lack of Muslims at the agency, which he said still had fewer than 10 Muslim agents out of more than 12,000."
yeah, that's what the FBI needs, more Muslims.
Posted by: J.S. at June 14, 2007 12:03 PM
Hugh,
You're a smart guy, but you may be jumping the gun here. How do you know that the FBI is not infiltrating Muslim groups and mosques?
Posted by: george_rem at June 14, 2007 1:01 PM
One muslim in the FBI is one too many - unless he is unknowingly being used to help study reactions to projected anti jihadi operations.
Posted by: dgene at June 14, 2007 1:02 PM
"How do you know that the FBI is not infiltrating Muslim groups and mosques?"
-- from a posting above
I never said, I never implied, that the FBI has not hired informants. I suspect a good many Muslims are now finding America the land of real opportunity. In North America, and in Western Europe, they have been allowed to settle, and these poeople take advantage of every possible government program set up by, and paid for by, Infidel taxpayers. This includes free education, subsidized housing, and of course, for many, free medical care (even in this country, where I have seen so many large Muslim families taking full advantage of such care. In a sullen manner, taken as if by right, making all kinds of demands on the staff, even in the pediatric hospitals where just yesterday I observed males demanding to be admitted, so that every visit becomes one not with a patient but rather with four or five or six people, an entire family. And I have also noticed, as have doctors and staff, the failure to show any hint of gratitude, and what's more, not any hind of awareness that all of this advanced medicine is a product of the Infidels, never a hint of wondering why this should be so, and what it is that makes Muslims go to the West for medical care, education, every sort of modern convenience and technology, but never to ask themselves why, with ten trillion dollars in OPEC revenues in the last one-third century alone, have they failed to create or reproduce any of this?).
And now we have the spectacle of a great many Muslims being hired to report back on what is taking place in mosques and madrasas and "in the community." How many of those are trustworthy? How many of those will warn fellow Muslims that they are being watched? How many will simply enjoy themselves on the permanent dole provided by a government that apparently can't see what is wrong with admitting Muslims, even if for every 100, 40 or 50 declare openly their support for suicide bombing (as an English public opinion poll showed), and others who did not so declare must surely have felt the same way (the reverse is inconceivable: that Muslims living in the West would secretly oppose suicide bombing but in answer to questions claim that they supported it, makes no sense)? And if for every 100, there are one or two or five who are to be supported, as "informants," for long periods, then one wonders just how much money Infidel taxpayers are expected to spend heading off a threat that would not exist in the first place if all Muslim immigration were halted, all Muslim aliens put at the top of the list for being found out and deported, and the rest given to understand that we, the Infidels, have no intention of giving in or yielding to their demands or making our own country Islam-friendly if that means -- and it does mean, for Islam flatly contradicts the spirit and letter of every advanced Western democracy -- weakening or transforming our own legal and political institutions and social arrangements.
Sorry, no can do.
Posted by: Hugh at June 14, 2007 2:16 PM
When the goverment fails the people the people will have to do the job that the goverment won't do.
If this is truely a 'Private investigation' I am actually surprised that more of this is not going on.
The only sad thing is that politicians should be held to a National Security Judicial Standard, and if found guilty of selling out Americans (as is currently happening) they should stand trial, be prosecuted, lose everything and then sent to Saudi Arabia, or if over immigration be send to Mexico.
Posted by: alaskan1000 at June 14, 2007 2:51 PM
"where's the us givernment in all this?"???
Simple...those who wish to do something about it are prohibited by the politically correct thought gestapo in elected office who's run interference for the islamists for decades now, and won't allow it under the bogus guise of "racial profiling", so they don't/can't.
Welcome to the wonderful world of political correctensss.
Posted by: jcom972 at June 14, 2007 2:59 PM
Ruebacca:
The FBI is not going to print an internal training pamphlet explaining Muslims are to be targeted. The FBI is not going to expose itself to lawsuits and congressional investigations like that. The job of the FBI is to win court cases. Not to publish historical analysis of religous groups.
I suspect the CIA and the Military have come over to the FBI's point of view. The long term solution for terrorsits in our custody is a solid court case. That will put them away for 30-40 years. If we go around scooping up "inteligance assets" then we end up with GitMo. A bunch of Psycos we cant prosicute without exposing our agents.
Ok. I see that point of view.
But it does mean that the FBI (and CIA, etc) are losing the propaganda battle as refuse to enter the arena. How can they do this? When America fought communism last century, did they ignore communist propaganda - no!!!
The agencies are hamstrung by politcal correctness, refusing to analyse Islam to see if there is anything destructive to America. Didnt they swear to protect the Constitution on becoming an FBI agent? How are they upholding their sworn oath, by failing to check if Islamic doctrine seeks to overthrow the Constitution?
This is America fighting with one hand tied behind its back.
Posted by: UK Infidel Lover at June 14, 2007 4:20 PM
Just ONE hand?
Part of the problem is...some of them are willing PC lackeys, too, which is bewildering. They're in the wrong line of work.
at June 14, 2007 6:22 PM
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