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While Muslim groups have issued vague condemnations of "terrorism" and the killing of "innocent civilians," they have never bothered to define who exactly is an innocent civilian, despite the fact that jihadists have claimed that Israelis and, in some cases, Americans and Britons are neither innocent nor civilians. Yet despite the fact that there is no global network of Jewish or Christian terrorists committing violence in the name of either religion and justifying that violence by referring to its sacred texts, and Christian and Jewish leaders have quickly condemned violent acts committed by Christians and Jews, without vagueness or weasel words, the idea that all three religions are equally likely to inspire violence persists.
It persists, of course, among those who, like Jessica Stern, simply ignore or deny the facts. It is not only a falsehood, it is a dangerous falsehood, because it distracts attention from the reality and magnitude of worldwide jihad activity, and stymies efforts to deal with that activity realistically. These are the principal reasons why I have written my latest book, Religion of Peace? Why Christianity Is and Islam Isn't, which will be published August 13 by Regnery Publishing. This book is a realistic appraisal of the teachings, histories, and contemporary status of Christianity and Islam, an examination of the jihad threat and the "Christian theocracy" threat as imagined by Chris Hedges and others, and a call to Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, atheists, secular Muslims, and everyone else who is a victim or potential victim of the global jihad and Islamic supremacism to unite together against this scourge.
And in a nutshell, Bill Donohue of the Catholic League has summed up some of the differences between the Jewish, Christian, and Muslim responses to religious violence here. A press release from the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights:
According to today’s New York Sun, Harvard professor Jessica Stern told a New York audience yesterday that criticism of Muslim clerics for not condemning Muslim violence was unwarranted. “I’ve heard a lot of bashing of Muslim clerics for not stepping up to the plate and condemning extremist violence,” she said. “But Catholic priests are not stepping up to condemn those who kill abortion doctors…[and] rabbis are not condemning the violent settlers’ movement.”Catholic League president Bill Donohue responded as follows:
“Forced moral equivalency is immoral, and that is exactly what Jessica Stern is promoting. The silence of Muslim clerics in the face of Muslim violence is well-known. But when it comes to killing abortionists, the Catholic clergy have an impeccable record. It should be noted, too, that as the New York Sun pointed out today, rabbis everywhere condemned Yigal Amir’s 1995 assassination of Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin—the very incident that Stern cited as an example of Jewish silence.
“To begin with, there has not been a single abortionist killed in the U.S. since 1998. When there were killings in the mid-1990s, Cardinal Roger Mahony of Los Angeles, chairman of the Pro-Life Activities of the bishops’ conference, said that such shootings make ‘a mockery of everything we stand for.’ When there were two killings at Massachusetts abortion clinics, Cardinal Bernard Law not only denounced them, he ordered a moratorium on sidewalk protest vigils outside abortion clinics in Boston. Cardinal John O’Connor’s response in New York was profound: ‘If anyone has an urge to kill an abortionist, kill me instead.’
“Just this week, a report of Muslim violence against Iraqi Christians was released. The study, Incipient Genocide, describes in detail ‘the deaths of Christian children—including babies—laypeople, priests and nuns who were burned, beaten or blown up in car bombs throughout the past few years.’ Moreover, Christian girls are being raped and having nitric acid thrown in their faces for not wearing veils. And the Muslim silence is deafening.”
Posted by Robert at June 15, 2007 2:03 PM
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Jessica Stern is one of those people who ends up, somehow, at places such as the Kennedy School, who are billed -- on the basis of some line-item in a swollen resume -- as "terrorism experts," and who everything they open their mouths reveal that they have never felt the responsibility, the duty, to learn about Islam, and to find out what it is that makes this belief-system so very different from the others with which, as "religions," it is so carelessly connected, so thoughtlessly lumped.
There are others at the Kennedy School who have hardly distinguished themselves, including one or two quite good at wearing their Compassion (International Division) on their sleeves, so much so that while the actual effects of their work were as limited as the Man-of-Ready-Sentiment Nicholas Kristof's on Darfur, but the effect on their own careers perfectly wonderful.
And Jessica Stern, prating away, has latched onto a good thing, and a title on the door -- "terrorism expert" -- the coincidence of which with any real expertise on the matter of Islam and the natural, almost inevitable connection of Islam to terrorism as one, if not the most effective, instruments of Jihad, turns out to be purely....coincidental.
Those who have managed to ease or climb their way into certain positions, can dine off for the rest of their lives on a few haunting phrases designed to, and too often evoking, salaam-salaams: The Kennedy School....Harvard. But there is no there there.
Posted by: Hugh
at June 15, 2007 2:48 PM
I went to the website of the East-West Institute in New York City at http://www.ewi.info/
and checked out the agenda for the symposium at which this Jessica Stern was speaking.
Apparently it's about combating "religious extremism," and it assigns equal weight to the radical right-wing in the U.S. as to the global jihad.
Which is, of course, ridiculous on its face. Because, just for starters, the Islamic jihad is global. The anti-abortion movement is local.
Not to mention that jihad has been around a lot longer than Roe v. Wade has.
This sort of nonsense goes over very well in New York City, where liberal Jews and liberal feminists really do think that conservative Christians are more dangerous than radical Islamists. Jessica Stern was speaking in Rosie O'Donnell's turf, after all.
at June 15, 2007 2:50 PM
Greetings:
1) Beware of Muslims bearing adjectives or adverbs.
2) Roll the "What do these guys have in common" tape.
Posted by: 11B40
at June 15, 2007 2:58 PM
Greetings:
Interesting reference to the "Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights."
These guys seem at favor the "open borders" approach to immigration.
Apparently, their New Testaments don't include the "render unto Caesar" bit.
Either that or mindless compassion-itis, which can be fatal.
Posted by: 11B40
at June 15, 2007 3:07 PM
Steven L. writes:
"This sort of nonsense goes over very well in New York City, where liberal Jews and liberal feminists really do think that conservative Christians are more dangerous than radical Islamists."
It goes over well with liberal Jews everywhere,
not just NYC. Being Jewish myself, I hear this
kind of !@#$ all the time. But rest assured, things
are changing, though very slowly.
at June 15, 2007 3:09 PM
The minute Jessica Stern familiarizes herself with the stark reality of Islam and speaks up about it is the minute her career in PC academia would start to falter, effectively renaming her Jessica Nobody.
Posted by: jewdog
at June 15, 2007 3:11 PM
Pre-ordered with one click.
I hope to be able to shut down the "you do it too" BS after reading this book.
at June 15, 2007 3:13 PM
“Forced moral equivalency is immoral'-
Not only that. It is also unbelievably stupid. Jessica Stern should be laughed out of office. But it just goes to show how degenerated the whole education system is: People like her are like swine on the trough and there are too many idiots who enable them, allow them to peddle their stupidity and even gobble it up.
Pathetic!
Posted by: sheik yer'mami
at June 15, 2007 3:15 PM
If Robert Spencer's coming book makes its case as effectively as his recent bio of Muhammad made its case, I'll be surprised. I'm sure I'll agree with the case the coming book is going to make, but I think its argument will be harder to convince some people of, because the prejudices will come even thicker and faster than usual, once Christianity comes into the picture. That's part of why I thought it might be better to compare Islam to all the other main religions (though what a task that would be!) rather than just to Christianity. For one thing, the prejudiced will say that because Robert is a Christian, his arguments on behalf of Christianity are faith-based or to be ignored for other reasons. That could undermine the reception, to some significant extent, of all of Robert's other work, in which his own religious tradition is barely if at all discussed.
Posted by: traeh
at June 15, 2007 3:47 PM
"According to today’s New York Sun, Harvard professor Jessica Stern told a New York audience yesterday that criticism of Muslim clerics for not condemning Muslim violence was unwarranted."
Oh right. So what does Jessica Stern have to say about those clerics who themselves call for violence or genocide? Who condone and encourage violence against non-Muslims, women, homosexuals, adulterers and apostates? Is criticism of them "unwarranted" too?
As far as I aware Billy Graham, Cardinal Cormack Murphy O'Connor and the Pope have not publicly called for the extermination of abortionists or Protestants. Maybe Ms Stern knows of instances where such exhortations have been made?
One more thing: the 'American religious right' may be, to a man, truly awful bastards but they are not beheading schoolchildren in Indonesia, blowing up synagogues and mosques, nor have they bombed Madrid, London, Haifa, Istanbul, Bali, Algiers or Moscow. They are not kidnapping Muslims, Jews or Hindus in Rednecksville and beheading them, before posting the video on the internet.
There is simply no comparison at any level: Islam's 'leaders' are not simply complicit in the barbaric actions of their 'faithful' - they are leading them. But it is the sheer scale and reach of Islamic violence that renders any moral equivlance null and void.
Posted by: A Nonny Nonny
at June 15, 2007 3:57 PM
"It goes over well with liberal Jews everywhere,
not just NYC. Being Jewish myself, I hear this
kind of !@#$ all the time. But rest assured, things
are changing, though very slowly.
root_cause,
That's true about liberal Jews, but Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reed, and dozens of others in the government, are not Jews, they're Christians. But they all, parrot the same "peaceful religion" line.
The fact is that liberal Jews and Christians are birds of the same feather. They prefer darkness to light.
Posted by: rational
at June 15, 2007 4:01 PM
The muslims have indeed defined innocents - and it doesn't cover infidels at all these days. Even Mohammed told them that children, before their hair grows, old people, and women, are innocent and ok to be taken as booty, or slaves.
Nowadays not even a child infidel is an innocent. Only muslims are innocents according to them. I do believe that groups such as Hezbollah and Hamas have told us this and we do not listen to them and instead go our merry way in thinking all is nice in the world. Hezbollah is the group that started the 'suicide bombers' too. Of course, they don't call them that and instead call them martyrs. But they let us, once again, believe that they don't believe in 'suicide bombers' while knowing they are indeed martyrs. It is all word games to them. That is why they have no problem blowing up pizza parlors, or buses, or anything that infidels might accumulate in and around.
What the muslims have not done is tell us that - instead they let us assume that they include infidels when they speak of innocents.
Posted by: R_not
at June 15, 2007 4:02 PM
I agree with "national": liberal Jews and liberal "Christians" seem to be equally not willing to accept the fact that the Judeo-Christian foundation of the Western World (which they claim to belong to) is under siege by the same forces that tried to destroy Europe during the last 1400 years.
Posted by: Crusader
at June 15, 2007 4:09 PM
And what does Jessica Stern or any of the heretofore silent Muslim clerics have to say about what is going on in Gaza? Or Baghdad? Or Beirut?
Oh that's right! It's all Israel's fault.
Posted by: PMK
at June 15, 2007 4:19 PM
The islamofacist/socialist alliance between the left and now the right. Wake up people, think, who benefits from climate change, the communists that’s who. Want to change the world and the regular channels are too intelligent? Then create a problem that you can use to push your agenda. It is so simple I Don’t understand why they have sold so many ordinarily sane individuals their BS. It is all around us the commie/leftist/islamist alliance, just take one look at their agenda and you will see for yourself. If they say they care about you,. You can be sure that they don’t, doubt me do some research!
Posted by: tgusa
at June 15, 2007 4:21 PM
I get tired of the attempt at comparing Christians/Catholics to muslims. We track down our murderers, put them in jail, give them a trial and put their behinds in prison. Muslims dance and ulalate and let their murderers go free to murder some more while honoring them as jihadists and if they die, martyrs.
Posted by: R_not
at June 15, 2007 4:26 PM
traeh,
"... the prejudices will come even thicker and faster than usual, once Christianity comes into the picture."
That thought occurred to me, also. But on the other hand, perhaps the largest barrier we face in the West to defending our civilization is a resident army of well-meaning, but uninformed Christians who reflexively project their Christian values, such as separation of church and state, turn the other cheek, love thy neighbor, and the Golden Rule, falsely onto Islam. They apparently think the Koran is like the Bible, that Mohammed was like Jesus, and that a mosque is just a church, among other things.
Also, since most folks in the United States and many other Western countries are either Christian or, though incidental societal contact, well familiar with basic Christian narratives, they have a common frame of reference from which to compare and contrast Islamic doctrines. That common frame of reference, I think, is part of what makes Robert's earlier book "The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam" so effective and popular.
So this new book makes a lot of sense to me, and I hope it is hugely successful. And I hope there is perhaps a Buddhist scholar out there, and a Hindu, and others from other religions who will take Robert's lead and produce companion works to help clear the fog of Islamic taqiyya.
at June 15, 2007 4:31 PM
tgusa, yeah I have seen some comparisons to the left and the muslims. But, pretend for an instance - when there are only those two groups left on the face of the earth - do you really believe the muslims will live peacefully?
I think the muslims use the left. In fact, because the communists are without religion that is even more egregious than being a Christian or a Jew.
There is a website that compares mein kampf to the koran. It was an interesting read and I found the article: http://pedestrianinfidel.blogspot.com/2006/05/koran-versus-mein-kampf.html
And there are more websites out there. I have not read mein kampf and don't plan on it. I have already boondoggled my brain with the koran and enough islamic history to make me want to puke every time someone calls islam a religion of peace.
Anyway, you bring up a good subject that I found interesting and was doing some web searches on.
Posted by: R_not
at June 15, 2007 4:35 PM
"I've heard a lot of bashing of muslim clerics for not stepping up to the plate and condemning extremist violence." Soul sista jessica, it's because, they're not stepping up to the plate. Of the 2300+ mosques in the U.S. 400 to 500 are hell bent on giving Americans the shaft and incorporating sharia law.
Posted by: mustang65
at June 15, 2007 4:39 PM
Enough with lott like boneheads telling us what to do. He says racist I say fascist. You want America to become like the ME? Then get off your butts and do something! Otherwise you will lose it all! Write them everyday, never surrender, never give up on the American way of life, that is what they are swarming here for, correct?
http://capwiz.com/acu/home/
Contact all of your reps no matter if they support you or not. Attack, Attack, Attack, and when you are tired attack some more never surrender to anyone, anyplace that is your duty, your obligation as an American!
at June 15, 2007 4:45 PM
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!! LOL BABY!!!
Muslims DO WHAT?
Inshallah that will happen but in the year 2345 maybe after muslims get their heads out of their asses and realise that their religion is a dead end proposition...
Repeat after me...islam means death, islam means hate, islam means violence, islam means DEAD END!!!
Lol...crack me up why don't ya
Shunkleah
at June 15, 2007 4:54 PM
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!! LOL BABY!!!
Muslims DO WHAT?
Inshallah that will happen but in the year 2345 maybe after muslims get their heads out of their asses and realise that their religion is a dead end proposition...
Repeat after me...islam means death, islam means hate, islam means violence, islam means DEAD END!!!
Lol...crack me up why don't ya
Shunkleash
at June 15, 2007 4:54 PM
We can stop Islam in the US at least with the following proposal.
A Proposed Constitutional Amendment
Background and justification to Amendment 28
Whereas Religion is defined as an institution dedicated to improving social conscience and promoting individual and societal spiritual growth in a way that is harmless to others not participating in or practicing the same;
Whereas the United States of America was founded on the ideals of individual rights, including the individual right to practice one’s religion of choice, or no religion, and that there would be no compulsion of religion, nor state sanctioned religion, nor a “religious test” for participation in the body politic;
Whereas Islam includes a complete political and social structure, encompassed by its religious law, Sharia, that supersedes any civil law and that Islam mandates that no secular or democratic institutions are to be superior to Islamic law;
Whereas Islam preaches that it and it alone is the true religion and that Islam will dominate the world and supplant all other religions and democratic institutions;
Whereas Saudi Arabia, the spiritual home of Islam does not permit the practice of any other religion on its soil and even “moderate” Muslims states such as Turkey and Malaysia actively suppress other religions;
Whereas Islam includes as its basic tenet the spread of the faith by any and all means necessary, including violent conquest of non-believers, and demands of its followers that they implement violent jihad (holy war) against those un-willing to convert or submit to Islam, including by deception and subversion of existing institutions;
Whereas on 9/11/2001 19 Muslim hijackers acting in the name of Islam killed 3,000 Americans, and numerous other acts of terrorism have been directed at the American people around the world;
Whereas representatives of Islam around the world including Osama Bin Laden (architect of 9/11), the government of Iran including Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, HAMAS, Hezbollah, and other Islamic groups have declared jihad (war) on America, and regularly declare that America should cease to exist;
Whereas there is no organized Islamic opposition to violent proponents of Islam;
Therefore: Islam is not a religion, but a political ideology more akin to Fascism and totally in opposition to the ideals of freedom as described in the United States Constitution, especially the Bill of Rights.
Be it resolved that the following Amendment to the Constitution be adopted:
Article I
The social/political/ideological system known around the world as Islam is not recognized in the United States as a religion.
The practice of Islam is therefore not protected under the 1st Amendment as to freedom of religion and speech.
Article II
As representatives of Islam around the world have declared war, and committed acts of war, against the United States and its democratic allies around the world, Islam is hereby declared an enemy of the United States and its practice within the United States is now prohibited.
Article III
Immediately upon passage of this Amendment all Mosques, schools and Muslim places of worship and religious training are to be closed, converted to other uses, or destroyed. Proceeds from sales of such properties may be distributed to congregations of said places but full disclosure of all proceeds shall be made to an appropriate agency as determined by Congress. No compensation is to be offered by Federal or State agencies for losses on such properties however Federal funding is to be available for the demolishing of said structures if other disposition cannot be made.
The preaching of Islam in Mosques, Schools, and other venues is prohibited. The subject of Islam may be taught in a post high school academic environment provided that instruction include discussion of Islam’s history of violence, conquest, and its ongoing war on democratic and other non-Islamic values.
The preaching or advocating of Islamic ideals of world domination, destruction of America and democratic institutions, jihad against Judaism, Christianity and other religions, and advocating the implementation of Sharia law shall in all cases be punishable by fines, imprisonment, deportation, and death as prescribed by Congress. Violent expressions of these and other Muslim goals, or the material support of those both in the United States and around the world who seek to advance these Islamic goals shall be punishable by death.
Muslims will be denied the opportunity to immigrate to the United States.
Article IV
Nothing in this amendment shall be construed as authorizing the discrimination against, of violence upon, nor repudiation of the individual rights of those Americans professing to be Muslim. The individual right of conscience is sacrosanct and the practice of Islam within the privacy of home and self is strictly protected to the extent that such individuals do not violate the prohibitions described in Article III.
at June 15, 2007 4:57 PM
Interesting that she compares abortionists and moslem terrorists. I wonder which has claimed more victims in the last 35 years.
Posted by: ebonystone
at June 15, 2007 5:02 PM
robscottw
Now that’s what I fcking (excuse my vulgarity) expect to see from citizens of America! Keep it up, push it until they listen. NEVER EVER let up!
at June 15, 2007 5:03 PM
Very typical of those on the hard left. Basically Stern is a secular bigot and elitist of the worst kind, academia is full of them. She not only hates Christianity and Judiasm but creates lies and distortions to promote this view of hers as somehow valid.
Luckily thanks to folks like Hugh and others she's been exposed as the academic fraud and lightweight she is.
Its just too bad she won't debate Hugh or Bill Donohue.
Posted by: waltc
at June 15, 2007 5:17 PM
"...perhaps the largest barrier we face in the West to defending our civilization is a resident army of well-meaning, but uninformed Christians who reflexively project their Christian values, such as separation of church and state, turn the other cheek, love thy neighbor, and the Golden Rule, falsely onto Islam."
posted by Stendec
Not only are these values projected onto Islam they are also projected onto the state. Christ spoke of how individuals should treat one another, not how states should treat other states.
The government to which I have declared my allegiance has no authority to forfeit my right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness in favor of "turning the other cheek". It was charged with protecting those rights, not trading them away.
Posted by: PMK
at June 15, 2007 5:47 PM
Success at Harvard is defined by how deep in the sand one can bury one's head. The manifestation of violence worldwide is coming at the hands of the Islamists. The more fundamental the Islamist the more proned to beastly, inhuman acts. The Joe bloke that dropped out of school in 6th grade can see this. How many bands of Catholics, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists etc. do we see roaming the Earth and killing for their God. If Stern wants to argue that the Islamists are acting out of the same insanity as the Catholic nut who wants to blow up an abortion clinic, then I will agree with her. But the examples are thousands for the Islamists and miniscule for all other belief systems.
As I stated before: Do not send your kid to Harvard. You are condemning his/her thought system to death. Your sons and daughters will one day figure the harm you have caused them and will creep upon you like Jim Morrison in "The End" seeking to kill you.
Posted by: Briars
at June 15, 2007 6:10 PM
There is a real problem with the Ivy League and other ‘finishing’ schools. The combination of admissions being based on just about everything but academic ability, and an unwillingness to be judgmental, has led to a breakdown in standards. Once you’re in, you’re in. The failure rate is just about zero. And you will be probably be among the 80% who graduate with honors.
Forty years ago these were great schools. They have fallen victim to unrealistic ideals and are shells of what they used to be.
Somebody is going to make a lot of money by establishing a private school that bases admissions, grades, and faculty hiring on nothing other than ability and hard work. By failing to do their job, finishing schools have left an educational vacuum that needs to be filled. They have hurt our Country.
In my life experience, Ivy League grads don’t seem do too well outside of large institutions. One guy from Harvard I knew failed out of a standardized program before we got through the ‘math for dummies’ section. He was swearing and calling the program names as he had to empty his desk. He stomped out in a huff. It was really kind of funny. There is something called reality beyond those ivory towers.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/2002/02/08/edtwof2.htm
Posted by: pez
at June 15, 2007 6:24 PM
The government to which I have declared my allegiance has no authority to forfeit my right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness in favor of "turning the other cheek". It was charged with protecting those rights, not trading them away.
Well said!
at June 15, 2007 7:20 PM
Amen brother.
I posted a comment on you tube the other day in rebuttal of a muslims post that basicly the "extremist" muslims are being tossed into the same category as "NORMAL" muslims.
My simple comment was to the affect that the silence of the "NORMAL" muslims says a lot and that muslims can't do anything other than blame others for thier failures.
It took FOUR minutes for me to be called a "bigot"
to which my next reply was "figures.Record breaking time for the slurs."
I have replies sitting in my e-mail right now all to the tune of the "NORMAL" muslims defending the "extremists".
All this yaking is just a game,i play along with it we all do.In the end we all know where it will HAVE to lead.
No one person has to raise a voice against islam they do it when they open thier mouths.They may think the appeasers are thier ally but the fact is they will bring about thier downfall.
Carry on.
Posted by: Dar al-harb
at June 15, 2007 7:25 PM
Wow!
Professor Stern came up with one example of the bad Jew who killed Prime Minister Rabin and always the abortion clinic bombings about the Christians. How many killed in total maybe 5.
The true difference in Muslims killing and other religions killing is that they are following in the Prophets Muhammad's footsteps. Christians are not emulating Jesus when they murder.
at June 15, 2007 8:44 PM
Bingo, Mad Mom! I am so sick of hearing the comparison between Cathloic pro-lifers and Muslims, as if there could ever be a comparison. Like you said, that's, what, five in thirty-four years to thousands or maybe even hundreds of thousands killed by Muslims in the past, what, couple of decades? Anyone who makes that comparison is not only a liar but an idiot.
"Interesting that she compares abortionists and moslem terrorists. I wonder which has claimed more victims in the last 35 years."
Sobering thought. Thanks, Ebonystone.
Posted by: Isabellathecrusader
at June 15, 2007 9:58 PM
I remember how on the very day of 9/11 I remember
some woman anchor saying on MSBNC or whatever comparing 9/11 to Christians killing abortion doctors. Of course, these killers tend to be white racists, Nazi- or Nietzsche-inspired, etc., and don't even claim to be killing in the name of Christianity per se. So evidently the media has long been making this moral equivalence, yet only on and after 9/11 did it finally appear to be an absurd comparison, even though it was absurd all along.
at June 15, 2007 10:38 PM
muslims condemn violent muslims..........
someone have been smoking some pretty bad smoke....
how do you tell the difference????????
Posted by: Texican
at June 16, 2007 1:11 AM
Ah yes, Jessica Stern, displays the Left's typical inability to denounce true human evil. A perceived shortcoming in Catholic priests' not denouncing abortion doctor killings and rabbis' not denouncing violent settlers movements (both allegations refuted by Bill Donohue) is somehow equated to the almost universal silence of Muslims clerics to the copious atrocities committed on a daily basis in the name of Islam.
This is because in the eyes of the Left we are all imperfect, and there is no good or bad. How dare you pass judgement on Islam? ... Well here, let me tell you what is wrong with your Christianity and what is wrong with your Judaism. So the net result is you cannot condemn muslim cleric silence on the horrific acts done in the name of Islam ... because all religions are equally flawed.
I am reminded of a caller into the Dennis Prager radio show some time ago. The topic was the Iraq War, and Prager tried to get the caller to admit that, whether you agree with the war or not, at least admit that the enemy we are killing over there is evil, you know, the people blowing up women and children, these people are doing evil, right? ... and the caller just couldn't admit it.
No, no, not evil says the Left, or at least we are just as evil. This is the lie of moral equivalency, and the father of this godless lie is ... the Left.
Posted by: Paleologos
at June 16, 2007 1:13 AM
robscottw-
Kudos on the clarity! And depth.
Email it to all representatives.
Posted by: profitsbeard
at June 16, 2007 2:03 AM
ITS ALL ABOUT ISLAM
As Robert Spencer's article clearly demonstrates
the War On Terror is not only a military conflict, it is also an intellectual battle. As part of this war - we must demand that Islam be reformed. We can no longer tolerate in our midst an anti - democratic ideology teaching hate, murder, terror under the guise of religious freedom and political correctness. As detailed in the following article, we can no longer accept at face value Muslims who preach that Islam is a Religion of Peace and Love. Our response must be - PROVE IT - remove from the Koran and all other Islamic texts all teachings of terror, hate, intolerance etc and Publish a new Koran.
ALLAH – A PERFECT GOD – A GOD OF REASON
THE CREATION OF A NEW MODERN ISLAM
Islam was created as a closed, rigid, fundamentalist, totalitarian system. The two main tenets of this totalitarianism was the use of terror to maintain this dictatorial system and the subrogation of women. Anyone who ties to reform Islam can be killed. Anyone who seeks to leave Islam can be killed. All unbelievers must either submit, pay a tax, or be murdered as a religious duty.
Islam needs to be reformed and new ideas need to be incorporated for fresh thinking and survival. Reformation will be resisted by Islamic fundamentalists with violence and terrorism. For the future of our freedom, peace and life this reform must be undertaken. A reformed Islam will have more influence and acceptance around the world.
The Reform of Islam is a life and death issue for civilization.
The greatest danger mankind faces is the smuggling of a nuclear weapon by an Islamic Fundamentalist into a major western city killing millions in the name of and to the greater glory of ALLAH. If the hateful teachings (listed below) are not removed from Islam this is the disaster that will destroy civilization as we know it. It will dramatically change human history forever. The stakes are that high.
All peace loving Muslims who believe in the teachings of an ALLAH of PEACE AND LOVE must stand up and demand the reform of Islam. If Islam is reformed then it will no longer be a totalitarian system on a par with Nazism, Communism and Fascism. To take man’s natural Concept of ALLAH, a conception of Peace and Love and Goodness, an all Wise, all Loving ALLAH for all mankind, and turn ALLAH - by bastardizing his teachings into a murderous ALLAH of hate, death and destruction, for the creation of a totalitarian system is one of the greatest sins that can be committed against ALLAH.
In order to reform Islam we must start with the following declaration:
ALLAH AS THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE - THE CREATOR OF ALL LIVING THINGS IS PERFECT.
ALLAH AS A PERFECT GOD - IS A GOD OF REASON
ALL TEACHINGS OF ALLAH - A PERFECT GOD - MUST BE PERFECT
ANY WRITINGS IN ANY RELIGIOUS TEXT THAT ARE NOT PERFECT ARE NOT THE TEACHINGS OF ALLAH BUT THE TEACHINGS OF MAN
AS A PERFECT GOD - A GOD OF REASON - ALLAH IS ALL PEACE AND LOVE AND GOODNESS
ALL MANKIND ARE THE CHILDREN OF ALLAH
ALL CHILDREN OF ALLAH ARE CREATED EQUAL AND THEIR LIVES ARE SACRED TO ALLAH
ALLAH IS NOT AN IRRATIONAL BEING. IF ALLAH IS IRRATIONAL THEN ALLAH IS NOT PERFECT AND THEREFORE SINCE ALLAH CANNOT BE IMPERFECT AN IRRATIONAL ALLAH IS NOT GOD
The above lays the intellectual framework for an Islamic Reformation.
All teachings in the Koran and all Islamic texts (written or verbal) that are not PERFECT are not the teachings of ALLAH - A PERFECT GOD - A GOD OF REASON but the teachings of man. This means that all teachings recorded in the Koran and all other Islamic texts, revelations, writings, sayings, fatwas of murder, killing, death and destruction, violence, hate, suicide bombers, violent jihad, terrorism, torture, maiming, wife beating, inferiority of woman, women as instruments of sexual pleasure in paradise, honor killings, stoning, cutting off limbs, child sex, bigotry, intolerance, slavery, inequality of infidels, inequality of any human being, that infidels can be murdered as a holy duty, that Muslims who renounce Islam can be killed, that Muslims (or anyone) who challenge the teachings of Islam can be murdered, etc are irrational AND NOT THE PERFECT TEACHINGS OF ALLAH – A PERFECT GOD - A GOD OF REASON – A GOD OF ALL LOVE AND PEACE.
Osma bin laden and all other terrorists, Imams, Fundamentalists who quote these phrases from the Koran are blaspheming against Allah.
By teaching young Muslims that ALLAH IS A PERFECT GOD - A GOD OF REASON - that all the teachings of ALLAH - MUST BE PERFECT we will occupy the moral and intellectual unassailable high ground. All the above mentioned teachings of Jihad, killing of infidels, terrorism etc are sins against ALLAH - A GOD OF LOVE AND PEACE. No ALLAH who is ALLAH would ever preach that killing and murdering of any human being in his name will be rewarded by accession to paradise. You cannot climb to heaven on the corpses of the murdered. No ALLAH who is ALLAH would ever create a Paradise full of big breasted sexual nymphs. All such teachings are the commands of evil men and false prophets. If ALLAH commanded that infidels (or any other human being) be killed then he would be irrational and evil and no longer PERFECT - no longer GOD.
This is the only way to rescue Islam from these brutal killers
The Reformation of Islam is an issue of conscience. Islam as it is presently constituted is an issue of conscience and its Reform is definitely the concern of all peace loving, democratic believing peoples everywhere. Violence in Islam is a direct threat to all mankind. It is an issue of National Security not only for the West but also for Muslim countries.
Least we all forget - it is mostly Muslims who are suffering and being killed and blown up in horrific numbers. Since 911 - over 150,000 Muslims have been murdered by their fellow Muslims in the worst ways imaginable.
Murder, suicide bombings, violence, etc are evil. When these evil acts are committed in the name of and to the greater glory of ALLAH – this is the greatest evil that anyone can commit. Again - to kill and murder so you can ascend to a Paradise of Big Breasted Nymphs to rape and molest for all eternity – this is truly evil incarnate.
Any Muslim who supports suicide bombers, who commits acts of violence, acts of terrorism, acts of violent jihad in the name of ALLAH are not Muslims - they’re just MURDERERS. All teachings in the Koran that are not of ALLAH - A PERFECT GOD OF REASON - blaspheme ALLAH and are evil. They must be renounced and denounced totally and completely WITHOUT EQUIVOCATION. These teachings must be removed from the Koran and a NEW MODERN KORAN published. The publication of a MODERN KORAN will be an instant worldwide best seller.
WHY THESE TEACHINGS OF VIOLENCE AND SUBROGATION OF WOMEN MUST BE REMOVED FROM THE KORAN?
By leaving these violent and abhorrent teachings in the Koran, we are in effect saying that these teachings are NORMAL. We are basically acquiescing to evil. We can no longer allow Peace Loving Muslims to declare Islam as a religion of Peace and Love and tolerance etc while leaving in the Koran and Islamic texts -teachings of terror, death and destruction, subrogation of women, intolerance, hate etc. We can no longer allow these Muslims to live in a fantasy world of an ALLAH of all Goodness while the Koran contains teachings of a hateful, murderous ALLAH – the ANTI ALLAH. By demanding that Peace Loving Muslims prove that they are Truly Peace Loving – by renouncing, denouncing and removing these evil teachings from the Koran –will be a TRUE MOMENT OF CATHARSIS FOR ISLAM.
The Koran is accepted by all Muslims as the word of God – not subject to change- not even by one word. By forcing Muslims to confront these evil passages they will be forced to answer the following question:
Is Muhammad A False Prophet Or Is ALLAH A False Prophet?
Answer:
ALLAH AS THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE - THE CREATOR OF ALL LIVING THINGS IS PERFECT.
AS A PERFECT GOD - ALL TEACHINGS OF ALLAH - MUST BE PERFECT
As stated above - this means that all teachings recorded in the Koran and all other Islamic texts, revelations, writings, sayings, fatwas of murder, killing, death and destruction, violence, hate, suicide bombers, violent jihad, terrorism, torture, maiming, wife beating, inferiority of woman, subrogation of women, women as instruments of sexual pleasure in paradise, honor killings, stoning, cutting off limbs, child sex, bigotry, intolerance, slavery, inequality of infidels, inequality of any human being, that infidels can be murdered as a holy duty, that Muslims who renounce Islam can be killed, that Muslims (or anyone) who challenge the teachings of Islam can be murdered, etc are irrational AND NOT THE PERFECT TEACHINGS OF ALLAH. They are THE TEACHINGS OF MAN.
If Muhammad taught his followers that the above teachings were the WORDS of ALLAH then he is a false prophet since as a PERFECT GOD - ALLAH never would have given such revelations to Muhammad. If however, ALLAH issued any of these teachings to Muhammad then he is no longer PERFECT and therefore no longer GOD. Indeed the false PROPHET would be ALLAH. An evil false PROPHET.
Since ALLAH – the creator of the universe is PERFECT and all teachings of ALLAH must be PERFECT - the Koran is not the word of ALLAH but the word of Muhammad – the false prophet. Muhammad was the Anti Allah and the Anti Allah was Muhammad. They are one and the same.
Once these evil teachings of the ANTI ALLAH are removed from the Koran and all other Islamic texts - Islam will be a TRUE Religion of Peace. Issues such as environmentalism, modern family life, poverty in the third world etc – modern issues that did not exist 1400 years ago – should be added to this New Modern Koran. By reforming Islam - a truly great New Koran can be created that all Peace Loving True Muslims can take pride in. Again - the printing of a new Koran will be a truly historic day for mankind. And it will be a worldwide best seller.
By,
Larry Houle
www.godofreason.com
E-mail: intermedusa@yahoo.com
at June 16, 2007 3:54 AM
Once an Islamic cesspool, always an Islamic cesspool
Applies to Iraq as well any other place of the "ummah."
A shame that a heacy price has to be paid in US troops' lives, limbs, and wounds as well as billions of dollars to shore up what will always remain an Islamic cesspool.
Posted by: unicorns62000
at June 16, 2007 5:20 AM
Once an Islamic cesspool, always an Islamic cesspool
Applies to Iraq as well any other place of the "ummah."
A shame that a heavy price has to be paid in US troops' lives, limbs, and wounds as well as billions of dollars to shore up what will always remain an Islamic cesspool.
Whether Moslems condemn Islamic violence or not, it will continue until . . .
[what do you think has happened?]
at June 16, 2007 5:23 AM
robscottw,
Yes, a Constitutional amendment is needed to declare that, within the territorial boundaries of the United States, Islam is not considered a religion, but rather a fascist political movement (carrying the trappings of religion as a Trojan Horse to insert itself into peaceful societies) in perpetual war against our fundamental liberties.
Without such an amendment, our government will be paralyzed at every level, as it is today, because of endless legal challenges, paid for by petro-dollars, and aided by a fifth column of Islamic sympathizers driven by a common goal--the undermining and eventual destruction of our Republic.
Such an amendment should also ban Muslims from holding any public office, especially positions within the military and other security services. By Islamic dogma, such persons are required to be nothing more than subversive moles in thrall to the collective umma. They are required to be active agents of an expanding fascist Islamic world empire for the "god" Allah.
Two things have to happen: Islam must be quarantined, and their ideology must be confronted directly. We must tell them every day--and never let them forget--why they are being quarantined: They are following the self-serving doctrines set down by a bloodthirsty pirate, a false prophet who made war on humanity to serve his own lust for power, sex, and vengeance. We do not and cannot respect such a belief system, nor can we tolerate its practice within our political and cultural institutions.
Posted by: Stendec
at June 16, 2007 9:24 AM
Larry Houle,
Sounds like you have a good start. It is impossible to eradicate a deadly philosphy such as islam but maybe you can help create an alternative for those who have a glimmer of decency and conscience left in them. Write a book, I'll buy it.
at June 16, 2007 2:57 PM
Muslims who condemn violence, condemn their terrorist manual, the Koran.
Posted by: winta
at June 16, 2007 6:08 PM
One needs to always remember the saying "follow the money."
When Harvard Met Saudi
Stern, as an employee of Harvard has zero credibility and all remarks and expert opinions from her and the rest of the staff should include an asterisk* - this message paid for by Saudi Royal interests.
Here is another example of what petrodollars can make the whores at Harvard do.
Martyrdom Childhood Education...Courtesy of Harvard University
at June 17, 2007 11:38 AM


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