Islam = death cult = organized crime group = evil

Posted by: champ at June 17, 2007 12:22 AM

"Islam meets the standard FBI definition of a 'cult.'"

CULT, indeed! The most successful CULT in history! You may remember that Jim Jones cult leader down in Guyana about 20 years ago who had all of his followers poisoned with poison Cool-Aid when a Congressman came to visit. Well, Jones was a real screw-up. Total amateur. He should have taken lessons from Mohamet, whose homicidal-zombie creating mind-poison has been spreading for almost 1400 years.
Like CANCER, Muslim societies are profoundly disfunctional economically, technologicaly, artistically, indeed in every way except one: they are extremely efficient at propagating themselves at the expense of everyone around them.

Conferences like this are great, but the hour is very late and we are way behind the curve. I fear it may be too little, too late!

Posted by: One_of_the_last_few_Patriots_left at June 17, 2007 12:24 AM

quote: "That makes Islam not a true religion but an ideology which demands the death sentence for you, should you depart from it or its rigid demands. Islam meets the standard FBI definition of a “cult,” in which the allegiance of its devotées is not to America but to their ideological group, Islam. It is hardly a “religion of peace” – it is more appropriately designated as a “cult of death,” in which suicide bombers are elevated to “sainted status.” We all need to pay attention and assist those like Avi that are leading the charge to counter the plague that is upon us."

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I almost can't believe my eyes. Something like this is written and it didn't come from my own keyboard!?

There's hope for the USA yet.

Posted by: Foehammer at June 17, 2007 12:26 AM

How a "religion" that was once universally understood in the West as anathema to our Civilization ever became so fatally misunderstood as "peaceful" by the cultural heirs of Dante (who placed Mohammad in 'The Inferno') and John Adams and Winston Churchill, all of whom grasped this violent and intolerant "faith" for what it is, is a puzzling and historicallly unique event.

It demonstrates the codicil to Sanataya's saying about "those who do not remember the past are doomed to repeat it": an undefeated enemy continues to be dangerous.

In this battle for survival - from Tours to Lepanto, Constantinople to Khartoum- against a still-undefeated enemy, we are always prey to that same enemy's resumed attacks, once it regains strength.

The West forgot that Islam does not accept stalemates or coexistence.

Only domination.

Posted by: profitsbeard at June 17, 2007 12:29 AM

Wow, I wonder if we'll hear about this from the MSM and if we do, I can just hear them now! I hope it was taped for television but even if it was, none of the gutless, politically correct networks would dare to televise it.

God bless these brave people and help them wake up the West before it's too late. They are risking so much to tackle this untouchable issue and I pray that the deaf, dumb, and blind idiots on the left and the right will abandon their utopian, multicultural fantasies and accept the hideous truth about islam.

And just imagine, Colin Powell wants more muslim immigrants in America! How could such a smart man be so incredibly STUPID?!

Posted by: Susanp at June 17, 2007 12:30 AM

"The conference clearly defined the tragedy that is multiculturalism"

this is precisely what british nationalists have been saying for decades, that multiculturalism is a failed experiment which is leading to the downfall of christendom in the west. yet we are villified time and again for being anti-semetic so therefore no one listens to us. these are my last words... i am a BNP member, i am not anti-semetic, i am pro israel and pro jewish race. i support the state of israel and her democratic brave stand in the middle east and i will defend any down trodden jewish person in the west.
now, go ahead and tell me that i am anti-semetic. support the BNP, support freedom in the west and support our friends in israel.

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at June 17, 2007 12:33 AM

It's great that this conference is going on. It's also important to "spread the word". The fact that
only some 40% or so of the US loathes Islam is
a problem. At 80%, there isn't as much of a problem.
Get cracking!

Posted by: root_cause at June 17, 2007 12:39 AM

No, it's not just the Islamists and our own weak-minded Left that are to blame for the culture dish that's feeding the enemies within:

Old KGB Strategies Parallel Islamist Ones in the USA

Russia's sympathies for Iran are not coincidence, they are part of something far more sinister.

Posted by: Foehammer at June 17, 2007 12:40 AM

@EliasAlucard: Yes. I think Putin has never left the KGB behind.

Posted by: Foehammer at June 17, 2007 12:57 AM

There was and is a fine line between religion and political ideology. The enlightenment and the creation of the secular state was a major development in the west. It made religion into a personal faith not a state function. Of course Christian-Judaic traditions and moral constructs played a major role in those secular states but so did the Roman and Greek traditions etc.

The trouble is many in the west have a hard time understanding Islam for that very reason. When people use the word religion you think of an individual going to a their place of worship. It is their personal search for the meaning of life. Thus when people talk of Islam they think of the western meaning of a religion. However Islam is so much more as we have read and seen. It is a religion but also a political ideology with its own government, society, law code, economic system, and more.

It is time we treat it as such....a political system no different then communism or fascism which is a rival and enemy of the democratic captalist secular state with a moral framwork based on Christian-Judaic traditions and firm roots in the real rational world around us.

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at June 17, 2007 1:01 AM

Putin is most likely just playing fools like Bush. I'm looking at the grand picture and I keep seeing blips on the radar. The interview on the other end of that link I provided makes some very serious charges. The state of our Democratic Party Gone Wild. Our Leftist teachers. The ACLU agenda. The thought-police on college campuses. It's been evolving since the end of Vietnam and we're seeing the fruits of some very insidious scheming.

I think that there are powers in Russia and China that would be more than happy to see Europe and the USA implode with the help of Islam. Think about it -- not all our enemies are Muslims.

When the House of Cards that is the Allies falls, someone is planning on cleaning up.

Posted by: Foehammer at June 17, 2007 1:12 AM

Predictions of the fall of Europe (and America) miss an important economic reality.

Large percentages of our countries’ populations depend on the government for their money. The number is already over fifty percent in the US and probably higher in Europe. In the US system, 12% of the population pays 88% of the taxes. This is unstable when political rights are equalized across the population. The electorate will vote for benefits that the tax base can’t afford.

And the system is already out of control. The US has incurred $70 trillion in unfunded liabilities, increasing by $3 trillion per year (US GNP is just over $13 trillion and the annual budget is $3 trillion for comparison). The ‘solution’ is to bring in tens of millions of immigrants to prop up the system. In President Bush’s world, everybody is equal and the system will be sustained for a couple of decades. In reality, the majority of new arrivals are high school drop-outs who will cost the American taxpayer $20,000 per year per household in government programs (a new Ford Mustang every year).

The whole thing will go ‘pop’. When it does, old-fashioned forces will be re-introduced to the group dynamic and those decades-long mathematical projections go out the window. The link is an article from a Swedish paper discussing the status of their welfare system.

http://www.thelocal.se/7305/20070514/

Posted by: pez at June 17, 2007 1:46 AM

Here's my hypothesis: either islam will rise in Europe, or some kind of neo-nazism will compete with islam on who will get Europe first.
Posted by: EliasAlucard

Good to see you posting again, Elias. And same for Foehammer.

I don't think there'll be some kind of neo-nazism in Europe again though. They are a fringe that keeps getting blown up way out of proportion by the Lefty-goody-good-people MSM and the POLOticians to both further their aims and to bolster their own "anti-fascist" credentials.. almost ike they are afraid of their own shadows..

To their credit [somewhat] some on the Left are loath to take serious anything that can even vaguely be described as "xenophobic" simply because they do not wish to see another rise of nazism.

Only they are throwing out the baby with that bathwater here. They are caught between a rock and hadrd place as they perceive the situation. Many of them truly believe they are doing good by "holding the line" as they see it - against such neo-nazist forces and thus they completely blind themselves toward the forces of fascist islam even when it spits them in the eye.

Noone is willing to be the first to open their mouth for fear of "being in bed" with said neo-nazist elements.

Funny thing is.. German neonazis volunteered to fight for Saddam in Iraq against coalition forces.

I, too do not wish to see neo-nazism and anti-Semitism return to Europe. Which is PRECISELY WHY I must speak up against the islamist influenbce in Europe.

Autochtonous European anti-Semites on the right of the spectrum are few and far between. They are a very minor fringe force indeed.

Unfortunately the very success of Israel in defense of Herself has made a "cause celèbre" of the "palestinian" and the larger Arab cause against Israel.

I think it is so very ironic that we Europeans symathized with "the Jooz" as long as they were oppressed victims of Nazi Fascism and even when the survival of the nascent Jewish State hung in the balance in the face of Arab militancy which has threatened it since its inception.

Where the Left was lacking for one was in its total lack of a cold and reasoned analysis of the reasons for this [seemingly irrational] irredentist Arab resistance to the Jewish State for one. The same goes for their failure to rationally analyze the essence of why it is uniquely these very same moslem Arab "immigrants" who universally fail to assimilate or at the very least coexist with their host societies wherever they have been welcomed in - be it as guest workers or as asylum seekers.

This is well-documented from places as far-flung as Australia to New Zealand across the USA and in each and every European Nation which has accepted people from the islamic world.

It stands to reason that this shism has its root cause in the attitudes of these "migrants" rather than the generous host societies who so generously have taken them in.

Case in point.. There are Vietnamese, Chinese and sub-Saharan Africans and others from far different cultures than Germany for example, who have absolutely no problem fitting into the "cold" German Culture which they have willfully entered.

The same goes - I am certain - for all the other lands where non-islamic people have come for the very opportunities that our Western Societies have to offer.

We must thus be reasonably allowed to ask ourselves why is it that there is this ONE particular group which over and over again fails to fit in as all these others are not only able - but first and foremost willing - to.

Noone who is objective at all can any longer deny the mounting evidence to the fact that the situation we are discussing here is totally unique to those who are from the sphere of islam

I should relativate this by saying that there are many people who come to Europe and other parts of the West to realize Freedom and Prosperity. People who desperately wish to escape the dread of their native lands.

Germany for one has recently seen the formation of a "Council of Ex-Muslims" who have come under attack and even death threats since their very inception.

We are not doing those who are genuinely seeking refuge and a better life in their new lands by lamely acceding to islamist hegemony over these few brave souls. Souls who wish to shed the shackles of islam.. apostates.. and of course those who are escaping religious persecution at home.

I know that there are a vast majority of people among all Western societies who view the cowardice and submission of our "leaders" to islamist demands in our very own lands with both incredulity and disgust.

I know this for a fact, having broached the subject with as many people from as many countries as possible - of whom I meet many here in New York City.

Most of them say.. what can I do? Or.. who knows why these POLOticians are acting the way they do..
Like everyone else they seek to keep their jobs, they have to work, they pay taxes and raise their children.. or they pursue their creative endeavours.

Many people will say things in confidence which they'd never say openly.

That is precisely where we must apply the lever of Reason.

S/he who remains silent in the face of evil will one day be seen as complicit in it.

Just like the German people who paid a dear moral price for their passive acquiescence to Nazism.

Unfortunately it is the very history of Nazism, Fascism and Colonialism which now is being so cunningly exploited by our mortal enemies.

It almost seems as if Adolf Hitler is going to have the last laugh.

Let us all work as diligently as we possibly can to not allow this to happen.

And let us all stand together in this fight. Former and peresent Allies but also former Foes and sometimes reluctant Allies.

The futures of all our Nations are under the same threat and we must stand as ONE if we are to at least have a fighting chance.

We all must work constantly to win OUR OWN "hearts and minds".. convince those among us who see US as the enemy rather than those who would take away the Freedoms which we all enjoy at this time.

A United European Populace will surely defeat any attempt to undermine and overthrow it.

We have fought bloody wars on our very soil to turn back these invaders before.

Let us hope that this won't be necessary once more in the future.

Steadfast resistance and uncompromising defense of our hard-won and commonly held ideals will do much more to face down the enemy than any attempt at appeasement and creeping accomodation.

Those who enter OUR HOUSE as guests must be held to the basic forms of respect and willingness to act as our guests if we are to welcome them in as our Human brothers and friends.

This should not even need to be discussed or spoken about. This should be self-evident to anyone who travels to another land.

I have traveled many countries and by exercising respect and friendliness toward the people I had the pleasure to come in contact with I was repaid in more ways than I can relate to here right now.

I have even received shelter for weeks and food and most importantly friendship.

And I have taken in people from other countries as well.. people who went out of their way to express their gratitude in deed. Yes, among them were people from as far away as Senegal. Now that I look back on it I am certain the two Senegalese musicians I willingly offered stay in my apartment in Germany were of another religion than islam.

But that is merely an informed guess.

They took long to accept my offer they could stay with me and they cleaned the place daily [I never made any such demand of them] and cooked food for me which they bought with money they made playing and singing in public areas during the day.

Guests like these are always very very welcome with most anyone in the world.

They, too would suffer from islamist hegemony in Europe.

Food for thought... Let's not throw away the good people by catering to the bad.

Many have come to us believing they will enjoy greater freedoms.. they aren't all here just "for the money".

Let us embrace those who truly treat us as their good friends instead of slavishly bowing to those who make insulting demand after demand.

Let us instead understand WHY there are people who come to us for refuge FROM the countries which suffer under the islamic yoke.

It makes absolutely no sense at all to give everything to those who loudly and openly despise us while we treat those who bear nothing but goodwill toward us with indifference at best.

We do live in a Global Community and we owe it not only to ourselves to hold everyone to the same standards which we ourselves are glad to live by.

islam does not need to rise anywhere where the native people are united in their rejection of a totalitarian and misanthropic creed.

That this does not stand counter to openness and friendship toward others is self-evident. In fact, I think I have explained at length why indeed our insistence on good manners is the basis of good relations among all.

Posted by: Allahfanculo at June 17, 2007 1:54 AM

Foehammer

Europe's Islamization has been something that's been going on for a while, independently of Putin's cozying up to Russia. Russia wasn't the one that pressed Britain to make all sorts of PC allowances for Muslims - from Shariah banking to granting refugee status to Jihadis whom even the Saudis didn't want to keep. The Kremlin is not responsible for France setting up Islamic ghettos in Paris and elsewhere, and them rioting in France. Neither was the SVR (the foreign intelligence successor to the KGB) behind all the demonstrations that took place throughout Europe in the wake of the Danish cartoons. Nor is Moscow demanding that Kosovo seceed from Serbia - if anything, it's thanks to them that Kosovo's secession - if it materializes - won't happen at the UN where Russia has the veto.

While I do think that Russia allying with Iran, and more despicably, Syria (which is more of a threat to Israel than the US) is indefensible, the US support for Jihadi forces in Bosnia and Kosovo, and the State Department's past hosting of Chechen rebel leaders, has contributed on its own to the Russians getting pissed. Not only that - the US's blind endorsement of the Sharansky formula - whereby democracy is the perfect antidote for Islam - has led it to criticize countries like Uzbekistan, which have a policy of cracking down on all religious expression, which given the 88% Muslim population, implies cracking down on Islam. Not only has this led to Tashkent withdrawing support for the US to maintain military bases in that country with which to support US troops in Afghanistan - it's also meant that the US is unwittingly supporting a policy, which if implemented, would create another Afghanistan in Central Asia that would border every other Central Asian country, and threaten to create a Jihad empire.

And this is not to pile on the US alone - even Israel is guilty of doing stupid things. The IDF is already indicating that it won't allow Fatah to massacre Hamas activists in the West Bank in retaliation for what's happened in Gaza. Looks like just as the US has been stupidly trying to prevent a Civil War in Iraq, Israel is now trying to end the one thing that's going on in Pali occupied territory that would make their lives easier - thousands of dead Palis.

As to Greg's original question as to whether this will be our fate, I'd like to see a few anti-Islamic propositions tried out in some states, inspiring hopefully a Muslim boycott of such states. That would be a start.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at June 17, 2007 1:57 AM

Foehammer

Europe's Islamization has been something that's been going on for a while, independently of Putin's cozying up to Russia. Russia wasn't the one that pressed Britain to make all sorts of PC allowances for Muslims - from Shariah banking to granting refugee status to Jihadis whom even the Saudis didn't want to keep. The Kremlin is not responsible for France setting up Islamic ghettos in Paris and elsewhere, and them rioting in France. Neither was the SVR (the foreign intelligence successor to the KGB) behind all the demonstrations that took place throughout Europe in the wake of the Danish cartoons. Nor is Moscow demanding that Kosovo seceed from Serbia - if anything, it's thanks to them that Kosovo's secession - if it materializes - won't happen at the UN where Russia has the veto.

While I do think that Russia allying with Iran, and more despicably, Syria (which is more of a threat to Israel than the US) is indefensible, the US support for Jihadi forces in Bosnia and Kosovo, and the State Department's past hosting of Chechen rebel leaders, has contributed on its own to the Russians getting pissed. Not only that - the US's blind endorsement of the Sharansky formula - whereby democracy is the perfect antidote for Islam - has led it to criticize countries like Uzbekistan, which have a policy of cracking down on all religious expression, which given the 88% Muslim population, implies cracking down on Islam. Not only has this led to Tashkent withdrawing support for the US to maintain military bases in that country with which to support US troops in Afghanistan - it's also meant that the US is unwittingly supporting a policy, which if implemented, would create another Afghanistan in Central Asia that would border every other Central Asian country, and threaten to create a Jihad empire.

And this is not to pile on the US alone - even Israel is guilty of doing stupid things. The IDF is already indicating that it won't allow Fatah to massacre Hamas activists in the West Bank in retaliation for what's happened in Gaza. Looks like just as the US has been stupidly trying to prevent a Civil War in Iraq, Israel is now trying to end the one thing that's going on in Pali occupied territory that would make their lives easier - thousands of dead Palis.

As to Greg's original question as to whether this will be our fate, I'd like to see a few anti-Islamic propositions tried out in some states, inspiring hopefully a Muslim boycott of such states. That would be a start.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at June 17, 2007 1:58 AM

THE DAY THE WORLD STOOD STILL! You guys are all wonderfull!!! Now the truth is out! It is alot easier to see it as such for some people now. I have always seen it like that! A cult! Indeed! No love is ever mentioned either! THE BIG GUNS, I can almost see you all and hear it. It must of been just one amazing event! Truth to them is like putting water on the witch of oz, this is going to hurt! lol! THE TRUTH SHALL PREVAIL!!!

Posted by: MZ at June 17, 2007 2:09 AM

Folks, if you want to hit Iran, Syria, Sudan, North Korea and other evil states hard, check out disinvestterror.org. I saw it in an article by Dick Morris at www.frontpagemagazine.com. California, Florida, and Ohio, among other states, are passing laws to get their pension funds, which control huge amounts of money, to stop investing in the companies doing business in terrorist nations.

Www.disinvestterror.org has, among other things, a PDF file that shows where the 50 U.S. states are currently doing business with terror and dictatorship. Check it out, find out which of your state's funds are invested with which guilty companies, then call your senators and representatives and tell them about www.disinvestterror.org, the companies, your state's pension funds involved, and that you want your state to divest these funds from the guilty companies until such time as those companies stop supporting the nations that are trying to kill us. Here's where you can easily get your senators' and representatives' phone numbers, both for the state and national levels: Call Congress.

Iran could be shut down by this method taken far enough. Without these companies, Iran couldn't do much with its oil or produce gasoline for its vehicles. And don't let me hear the cynics saying how nothing will work. Every little bit makes a difference, mountains sometimes turn on pebbles, and a straw can sometimes break a camel's back.

Posted by: traeh at June 17, 2007 2:27 AM

If you're looking for some grand scheme that works by way of the KGB alone, you won't find it. If you look at the world of espionage, that's not how things work.

Now, if you admit to yourself that our enemies are not stupid, are not without decades old fears and hatreds, then you will see quite clearly that the possibilities are more than just chance, that the incursions of Islam into Europe isn't happening only with the help of Saudi oil money and the complacency of the Europeans. There is no logical reason to think that Russia won't benefit from a Europe enveloped in civil strife and eventually civil war -- because that's the only possible outcome from the continuing growth of Islam in Western nations.

That's right, eventually it all heads to war, either a global conflict outright or a series of civil wars as Westerners stop stuttering and and actually learn to shout with one voice. Will it be too little too late for Europeans? That's the big question.

Stop looking for absolutes and start thinking like a spy. Subtleties are the name of the game, and a fellow like Putin plays well. I don't trust him. Not at all.

Posted by: Foehammer at June 17, 2007 2:29 AM

Niether do I trust him Foe!

Posted by: TexasInfidel at June 17, 2007 3:06 AM

I don't trust him either Foe!

Posted by: TexasInfidel at June 17, 2007 3:07 AM

The jig is up! I'm prepared fight and die for western civilization . It's inevitable and it will be a choice we all will eventually be faced with. Islam is the TRUE crusader , and has made it's intentions more than clear . I no longer am faced with any moral dillehma whatsoever . we have done nothing to merit this hatred except be non Islamic and free thinking and free willed .
the fate of the world is at hand. the time to satand for something or fall for anything is now!

Posted by: MoBlows at June 17, 2007 3:08 AM

Sorry for the double, I was rewording it, and didn't realize the first one had been sent. Blasted computer!

Posted by: TexasInfidel at June 17, 2007 3:10 AM

Good plain speaking from Dick McDonald.

Posted by: traeh at June 17, 2007 3:18 AM

Assalamau Laikum all,

Islamisation is not really a word I think. If you mean that Islam is becoming a better known, supported and worshipped in Europe...then yes I know what you mean....but you should rejoice this matter....it is Allah's SWT will.

The ills you have seen relating to Islam is as the result of family fueds, tribal loyalities and corrupt leaders who have use it to hold onto power and respect with tragic consequences. You can govern better than these lunds and really make use of Islam in your lives daily.

Smoke free environments are a good start...followed by alcohol free zones too

Islam in Europe will be different if integrated slowly and made central to the life of the kaffur. For too long the kaffur has thought he has lived free...whereas the REAL freedom is through Islam.

Be cool, be happy...Islam will be with you while you sleep...You have nothing to worry where Allah is your lord god.

Happy sleeping...

Posted by: Naseem at June 17, 2007 3:22 AM

Foehammer,

You are right on some counts, but on some others you are totally off the rails. Russia is as afraid of the Muhammadan nightmare as we are. They have had their fair share of terrorist attacks (Moscow apartment bombings, theater bombings, Beslan and lost a few airliners) plus they are very reliant on selling gas and oil and other rohmaterials to Western Europe. Russia thrives on that and would collapse if Europe fell into the hands of Islamistan. Of course they are pissed over Clintons/Bush's idiotic sellout in the Balkans, but they are not, at least no longer, our enemy. The failure here lies entirely in diplomacy, Condi (before her Powell) and all the worthless geeks in the US congress who can't seem to connect the dots and get the Russians on board.

No. In America and Europe the enemy is from within. The unholy alliance of the left, who sees the Muhammedans as brothers in arms on the way to the socialist utopia that has already failed wherever it was forced upon the people, is and will be the downfall of our civilization.

This started with the PLO terrorists who bonded with the Baader Meinhof gang in Germany, with Carlos the Jackass who was real chummy with every Muhammedan terrorist, and you can see that in every demonstration today when the nutroots prepare and throw the molotow cocktails for the Muslim agit props.

I have no hope for democracy when 94% of journalists in France are far left moonbats and facilitators for Islam. The same you have in England, (at least at Al Bebeceera) and in the US its not different. Just look at CNN which is totally infested with far left ratbags, Muslims and anti-Israeli morons.

The enemy is from within. And some don't even realize it. Just look at this Daniel Pearl movie thing: The guy was himself a moonbat, his wife is one too, she hangs out with a CNN lunatic and Angelina Jolie plays her part in the movie, while Clinton and the usual suspects lend their support for this schlock. Pathetic, but that is the reality, and its far too close for comfort:

http://sheikyermami.com/2007/06/16/pearls-beheading-movie-turned-into-moonbat-parable/

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at June 17, 2007 3:57 AM

Naseem, GAWD, you are such a nut.......

Posted by: One_of_the_last_few_Patriots_left at June 17, 2007 4:11 AM

Guys, islam will *NEVER* be our fate!

Only question is.. how bloody will it get this time?

They always think they are on the precipice of victory.. only to be met with an IRON WILL.

Remember this: Arrogance comes before the fall. Just ask Adolf Hitler as a more recent example.

I have NO worries at all that we will THROW OUT this vile creed ONCE AGAIN from within our midst.

WE are not the Imperialists and expansionists that the Left keeps portraying us as.

THEY ARE!!!

We have WAY more power than we did the last time we SHOWED THEM THE DOOR!!

The animal instincts of survival are beginning to boil in many of us already.. our hair bristles at the mere *thought* of a mosk built on OUR SOIL!!

All I am wating for is the day I can be part of the cajoling mass of unchained people yanking that sucka down at the end of a rope. We don't need a jeep or a tank for that.

Nor do we need a bomb.

We will simply do this by BRUTE FORCE lent to us by our RIGHTEOUS ANGER!

I KNOW I am not alone when I describe the building of any mosk on OUR HOLY EUROPEAN SOIL.. and in AMERICA and in AUSTRALIA as a hostile act of WAR!

Most of us feel completely alike on this!

We have NOT forgotten the islamist aggression of centuries past.

Just like fascism.. political correctness WILL PASS! One way or the other!

They will NOT besmirch our holy lands forever with their vile demands and their hateful and violent behaviour!

Like I recently told a friend of mine: England needs KING ARTHUR and NOT prince charles!

Who so pulleth out this sword from this stonen anvil shall be the true-born King of all of Britain!

Correct me if I got it wrong in detail.

The thought is CLEAR!

We will once again bring forth LEADERS who are motivated NOT by power and evil [like the fascists] but by the coomon good and the well-being of all our peoples.

Thank God for the triumphalist FAST-JIHAD crowd among them.. if it weren't for them we'd have a far harder time to shew the rest of ours the things that are really going on!

Prediction: Look for SPAIN to elect a totally different government that what you are used to seeing today.

Germany may wll be the LAST to really get tough. Based on our particular history I hope you guys can cut us some slack about this.

Many of us are afraid we will turn into blood-thirsty monsters once the bugle calls.

What if we do?

We won't be out for your blood when the time comes to put things back in order in Europe!

I consider England's and France's and Poland's and every one of OUR European Nations' lands as worthy of defending in both deed and blood as my own.

Let us hope the need will never come.

And let us STOP putting down the USA verbally and in the way of this insipid European Obstructionism whoch is so widely practiced by the European Left in the MSM and in politics.

They were the younger kid brother who finally punched some sense into us all and finally got us to stop fighting and start working together at least a little!

Can we cut them some slack aleady? Remember their good deeds and their blood sacrifice for us, their older but weaker brothers?

With brothers like these - I fear no enemies!

Posted by: Allahfanculo at June 17, 2007 4:14 AM

Nazeem.. I saw your post and I hope you caught my drift..

You have nothing to lose but your burka, babe!

Have you met any men interested in you lately? Any men around your own age or maybe a little older than you?

My guess would be they are after your cute lil daughter.. is that what you want for her...?

..bearded old leches who wouldn't get the time of day - they wouldn't even get it for PAY - in any Western Country?

Your daughter should meet a nice young man her own age.. one whom SHE likes.. they should choose each other romantically..

The way a TRUE GOD would want HIS creation to respect each other. Both Women and Men are created in HIS image and as such we hold each other EQUAL.

I guess I am wasting my breath. I was getting carried away. islamist women not only accept the worst for themselves, but for their very daughters as well.

How truly sad.. she seems so much more enlightened than you will ever stand to be.

I hope she can break free of Tyranny!

Posted by: Allahfanculo at June 17, 2007 4:22 AM

A propos 'getting the word out': it hasn't been mentioned on this site, but Ms Ali has just been a roaring success in Australia. She was here from late May-early June, mainly to attend and speak at the Sydney Writers' Festival with regard to her latest book. (Anyone who cares to google 'Ayaan Hirsi Ali' 'Australia' May/ June 2007 and Sydney Writers Festival' will turn up transcripts of some of her speeches, with a little care). The local Muslims jumped up and down and yelled and tried to throw mud, but she came nevertheless, stayed safe, and got a LOT of favourable publicity, in all the main newspapers and on the radio (one of our major talk show hosts, one Alan Jones, did an interview with her). Nobody boycotted her at the Festival - the sessions at which she spoke were sell-outs. So I imagine the word of mouth is zapping along Australia's social networks (after all, there's only about 20 million of us, mostly crammed into four big urban centres), and I'd guess her books are selling like hot cakes. Although she's an avowed atheist, even our religious leaders are reading her...and getting a healthy perspective on Islam-as-lived-by-its-victims.

I get the distinct impression that a lot of people here in Australia sort of fell in love with her and that she'll be welcome back anytime.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at June 17, 2007 4:30 AM

From Foehammer:
"I think that there are powers in Russia and China that would be more than happy to see Europe and the USA implode with the help of Islam."

You are completely wrong that the Russians want Europe taken over by islam. islam is the greatest threat to Russia too and the last thing they would want is Europe taken over by muslims so that they stand alone (or with unreliable allies like China) fighting for their survival.

On the contrary all evidence shows that the major power promoting islamic takeover of Europe (besides saudi) is the US:

It's the US that has fought two wars on muslim behalf and created 2 muslim states on Christian European soil (bosnia and kosovo) by bombing the Serbs while Russia supported Serbia. And if it had not been for Russia, Kosovo would already have been independant.

It's the US that pushes for Turkey entering the EU, not Russia.

In Macedonia it was the US that supported the muslim albanians against Christian Macedonians, while Russia supported the Macedonians.

It's western Europe (the part of Europe that was
under American control during the Cold war), that's being invaded by muslims and the colonization started during the Cold war. It's not Eastern Europe that was under Soviet control,
that's being invaded.

Sometimes I think it would have been a lot better for Europe if the Russians had liberated western Europe in 1945 instead of the Americans. Sure western Europe would have been much poorer today,
but its future would have been much more secure as there wouldn't have been millions of muslims in Europe.

Posted by: European Crusader at June 17, 2007 4:43 AM

Foehammer's point is NOT that Putin or Russia is causing the Islamization of Europe. I believe that he is saying is that Putin's Russia (as well as China) is happy to see the West taken down a peg or two.

Unlike Foehammer, I do not think that Putin wants to see Islam defeat the West. In that scenario, Russia would itself be vulnerable. Rather, I think he would simply like to see the West weakened, and otherwise occupied. Ditto for the Chinese.

Islam is the enemy, but we also need to keep our eyes and ears open for how other countries take opportunistic advantage.

Posted by: JSobieski at June 17, 2007 4:47 AM

"Sometimes I think it would have been a lot better for Europe if the Russians had liberated western Europe in 1945 instead of the Americans. Sure western Europe would have been much poorer today,
but its future would have been much more secure as there wouldn't have been millions of muslims in Europe."

Lets not lose perspective----Soviet Communism was just as powerful a threat as Islamic Jihad. Both Communism and Jihad are aided by useful idiots in the West. Both took advantage of PC culture in a way that made them deadly to the West.

Had the Soviets liberated Western Europe, Eastern Europe would likely not be free today, and Cold War would likely not have been one.

Nazi Germany. Communist Russia. Islamic Jihad. Victory for any of these monstrosities would have been the end of the West.

Posted by: JSobieski at June 17, 2007 4:52 AM

Alan Jones interviews Ali Hirsi, listen on MP3 here:

http://sheikyermami.com/2007/06/13/alan-jones-interviews-ayaan-ali-hirsi/

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at June 17, 2007 5:05 AM

I concur sheik yer' mami! Who would ever go to the movie about Angelina! That is what it is about! Her! That is disgusting! The guy that Daniel Pearl was looking for is the sheik-jalami, running the Red House in Virginia. They say he has 3,000 followers in United States! 1,200 mosques. That is a strange figure. He is tied in with Richard Reed and the two snipers. They say on his commune which he has 35 they say illegals go there and puerto ricans.
All in all this is in such bad taste! If Daniel's wife agreed to this, which she had to of, she must of been brain washed by the godless of islam! wooops..,, do you think the muslims will go see it? Who does it serve? I like your site sheik yer' mami!

Posted by: MZ at June 17, 2007 5:49 AM

Be cool, be happy...Islam will be with you while you sleep...You have nothing to worry where Allah is your lord god.

Happy sleeping...
Posted by: Naseem

Naseems now you sound like some drug induced teenager. why dont you try some of those poppies that come out of afganistan, it seems its all over the muhummad land , muslims dont need to drink, as they cant seem to enjoy anything, but just blowing or sawing off heads. sick cult of death naseems,it will never take over people in the west. hey l hear the taliban getting near your little sleepy town of lahore, soon you will be selling only carpets withthe help of some old man who has to buy you.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at June 17, 2007 6:46 AM

"It is hardly a religion of peace. It is more appropriately designated as the cult of death" G.W. chuckles the clown needs to understand.

Posted by: mustang65 at June 17, 2007 6:54 AM

Allahfanculo, surely you realize that Naseem is a man?

Posted by: Brett_McS at June 17, 2007 7:59 AM

leonthepigfarmer,

I stand 100% with you. I live in Portugal, a peaceful nation, which, by the Grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, the True God, hasn't been affected by islamo-fascism YET. I am not european, but I stand with those europeans who strive their best to defend their God given Judeo-Christian culture, the best the universe has ever seen. Will people accuse me of being "racist"?

Oh I hope not, since they would have top tell which race am I attacking by defending the best culture the world has ever seen. It's not perfect, but it's better than any other, including the culture I was born in.

We have to stop separating cultures from people. Cultures aer NOT sacred: people are sacred. There are bad cultures, and there are good cultures. We can be against a culture without being against the people who adhere to that culture.

I am against islamo-fascism, but I would never mistreat a Muslim due to his religious belief. However, if he or she comes here, whinning at the "oppression" of Muslims world wide, then I say "Go to Lisbon's airport and bon yoyage! You don't like it? Well, there are more than 20 Arab-Muslim nations. Pick on, and leave.

My parents came here to work and to get abetter living. If we don't adapt, we will go somewhere else. We will not start torching cars or rapping portuguese women only bkz we don't have jobs

Anyway, God bless

Posted by: Crusader at June 17, 2007 8:41 AM

Allahfanculo

How are we going to "win"? Even if or when the muslims set off a nuke somewhere, do you really think the governments are going to get rid of the muslims? Don't you think everybody would still be chanting the "religion of peace" bs? The majority of all the people in every country is still going to be clueless, even when they get plunged into that inevitable civil war. Oh they will fight like hell, I know that, but the whole time, they will be wondering "why do they hate us?".

Or maybe everything will go silently. The muslims will simply outbreed all the people in each country, get into congress, become presidents, prime ministers etc...Before you know it, your grandkids are dhimmis living under sharia law. Make sure you pay that jizya, make sure you pray to your god in private, and for the love that is all holy, don't repair any of your churches...blah, blah, blah.

I'm sorry, but after the 9/11, 7/7, Belson, Madrid and all the other atrocities, muslims are still here.

Lol, sorry if I rained on anybodies parade, but I can't see how we are going to "win" this thing. Hugh said that this is a war that is going to last forever, without any way to actually "win" it. Well that was all fine and well if the muslims where only in their own countries, then we could isolate them somehow, but they aren't in their own countries-they are here.

Posted by: mrockroll1969 at June 17, 2007 8:46 AM

"The US Senate meets the standard FBI definition of a “cult,” in which the allegiance of its devotées is not to America but to their ideological group, their brokerage accounts."

S. 2611 was last year's amnesty.

Rank Name Minimum Net Worth Maximum Net Worth

1 Herb Kohl (D-Wis) $219,098,029 to $234,549,004 Voted Yes S. 2611

2 John Kerry (D-Mass) $165,741,511 to $235,262,100 Voted Yes S. 2611

3 Jay Rockefeller (D-WVa) $78,150,023 to $101,579,003 Not Voting S. 2611

4 Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif) $43,343,464 to $98,660,021 Voted Yes S. 2611

5 Lincoln D. Chafee (R-RI) $41,153,105 to $64,096,019 Voted Yes S. 2611

6 Frank R. Lautenberg (D-NJ) $38,198,170 to $90,733,019 Voted Yes S. 2611

7 John McCain (R-Ariz) $25,071,142 to $38,043,014 Voted Yes S. 2611

8 Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass) $19,189,049 to $93,043,004 Voted Yes S. 2611

More statistical info and links to sources:

A Nation of Lou Dobbs Democrats

Posted by: Old Atlantic at June 17, 2007 9:02 AM

I know a lot of people have devised some great plans for reforming the muslim immigration problem and monitoring mosques and changing our constitution to make new laws for this muslim problem, but how many people here actually believe our government (the U.S.) is going to actually do any of these things?

Geez, It's been 6 years after 9/11 happened and we still have wide open borders, the government and MSM still can't name the enemy, the majority of the population thinks islam is still the "religion of peace", mosques are popping up all over the place like some kind of a foot fungus, the damn president is trying to bring in 1000's of more muslims (refugees or the visa program) and give amnisty to god knows how many other jihads running around this country, the damn list goes on and on and on.

I can just see it now. Ladies and gentleman, the president of the United States:

Reporter: "Mr. President, who set off that nuke?"

President: "Uh, Uh, Oh yeah. Apperantly there was a nuclear device deto-deto, Uh, set off in...in.."

President covers microphone and talks secretly to an aid.

president: "Uh, what was the question again? heh, heh, heh."

Reporter: "Mr. President, who set off that nuke?"

President: "Oh yeah. It was set off in New York. New York?" The President looks around, perplexed. Then says: "Did't they do that last time? Must've been Al Queda. heh, heh, heh."

Posted by: mrockroll1969 at June 17, 2007 9:23 AM

Oh I forgot to add that the presidents wise advice for us all would be: "Nothing to worry about folks, just go shopping."

Yeah, like that'll do any good...

Posted by: mrockroll1969 at June 17, 2007 9:27 AM

Is there any way to get transcripts of the proceedings? Are they posted any where? Personally, I'd like to know more about "the legal recourse that can be used to counter the Muslim use of our laws to undermine our culture." Never mind the attempts to "alert" people in Europe -- (i suspect that would be a waste of time, effort and money).

Posted by: J.S. at June 17, 2007 9:54 AM

"Speaking at the Conference were the heavyweights in the fight - Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Ibn Warraq, Daniel Pipes, Mark Steyn, Henryk Broder, Leon de Winter, Douglas Murray, Phillipe Karsenty, Claire Berlinsky, Arnaud Dotezac, Greg Davis along with radio and television personalities Dennis Praeger, Hugh Hewitt and David Horowitz and many others."

Sounds like a who's-who of the anti-Jihad. Where was Robert?

Posted by: Cornelius at June 17, 2007 10:23 AM

I'm afraid I must politely stand by my earlier points. John Sobieski got it closest to correct in his interpretation of what I wrote when he stated this:

"Foehammer's point is NOT that Putin or Russia is causing the Islamization of Europe. I believe that he is saying is that Putin's Russia (as well as China) is happy to see the West taken down a peg or two."

The rest of you that are defending Putin and Russia's intentions are far too easily blinded by perception. Just as Arafat convinced the Western world he was no longer a terrorist, Putin has convinced too many of you that he is no longer old school KGB in his mindset. He's exceptionally good at putting on a face when he wants to, but the facts don't support what many of you have stated in rebuttal of my theory.

Here's the one big fact that nobody can deny: Russia is helping build centrifuges for Iran. Russian engineers are actually on the ground in that country helping the process.

Now, if you think that this is the act of a nation/leader that has no inclination to be a thorn in the side of the United States by fueling Islamic terror, then pigs can fly. Iran has been the number one exporter of Islamic terror in the world since 1979. The Saudis export ideology, the Iranians export weapons and killers.

Russia is fully aware of what the Iranians are capable of doing. By putting themselves in the backseat they are intentionally forging an alliance so that the Iranians will not plague Russia with more terrorists.

Now, once the United States is crippled by nuclear terror, and Europe is in chaos thanks to Islam, who do you think will be looked to as a savior of sorts and put on an entirely new face? That's right -- RUSSIA. Russia will march in here and there, acting as a "liberator" of its own, land grabbing and resource collecting and I'll be that, just as in WW2, they will be welcomed with open arms.

I've defeated enough opponents in games of Diplomacy in my youth to know a thing or two about deception and strategic goals. Do not be so easily fooled. Out of the box -- that's where you must look in order to safeguard the future, and sadly, this is something that Western governments are proving each day over the past twenty years that they are completely lacking in.

For the same reasons that too few people predicted 9-11, now too many people are giving Russia a free pass. I won't make that mistake. My eyes are on them.

Posted by: Foehammer at June 17, 2007 10:24 AM

"Russia will march in here and there, acting as a "liberator" of its own, land grabbing and resource collecting and I'll be that, just as in WW2, they will be welcomed with open arms." Foehammer.

This is a very perceptive read of Putin's intentions.

FDR welcomed them with open arms. We seem to find that type of leader. Today our leaders are mainly interested in their own money, celebrity and fame. Putin and the Russian intelligence service understand how to play to those motives.

Posted by: Old Atlantic at June 17, 2007 10:31 AM

Not if we keep the Second Amendment.

And continue learning about the methods of the Ummah.

Posted by: profitsbeard at June 17, 2007 10:56 AM

Foehammer

"Now, once the United States is crippled by nuclear terror, and Europe is in chaos thanks to Islam, who do you think will be looked to as a savior of sorts and put on an entirely new face? That's right -- RUSSIA. Russia will march in here and there, acting as a "liberator" of its own, land grabbing and resource collecting and I'll be that, just as in WW2, they will be welcomed with open arms."

March in with what and where? Russia is facing a demographic disaster and the Russian army is a shadow of the once mighty Red Army. They have barely defeated the Chechens after 7 years of fighting and they have 20-30 other republics that could possibly breakaway, that they have to focus their military on.
I'm not defending Putin, but the threat from Russia is minimal compared to the threat from islam, Russia is simply too weak military to pose a threat to anyone and the Russians are facing the same demographic conquest as the west Europeans.

I believe that the reason that Russia supports Iran is that they want to strengthen the shias in middle east and provoke more sunni-shia clashes so that the Sunni arabs have to send billions of dollars to sunnis fighting shias in Iraq instead of sending them to Russias sunni muslims fighting Russia.

Posted by: European Crusader at June 17, 2007 11:04 AM

One must keep razor blades and poison away from severely depressed, suicidal patients. One keeps Islam away from a suicidal severely depressed civilizations.

Posted by: poetcomic1 at June 17, 2007 11:05 AM

@European Crusader: I'm shocked I have to remind you of this, but with "what" did the poor Germans, who could barely afford a loaf of bread, manage to construct the mighty armies that Blitzkrieg'd into Europe? Or, for that matter, with "what" did the United States rise up, the same country that had just risen out of the Great Depression but a decade earlier?

Poverty has forever been a catalyst for war in great peoples. Beware the starving lion.

Posted by: Foehammer at June 17, 2007 11:11 AM

Old Atlantic , I just read the article on leprosy in the US, just pathetic.
http://oldatlanticlighthouse.wordpress.com/2007/05/07/leslie-stahl-60-minutes-lou-dobbs-7000-leprosy-cases-dispute/

Posted by: interestinconundrum at June 17, 2007 11:28 AM

Foehammer

Germany and the US around world war II were not poor and technologically inferior compared to other countries then as Russia is today. Also their population was not shrinking as Russia's today, and they didn't face rebellions from various ethnic groups all over their country.

The Germans had then probably the best trained army in the world and the largest industrial production in Europe while the US had the largest economy and industry in the world.

And if the Russian miltary can't perform better than what they have shown in Chechnya, there is not much to fear.

Posted by: European Crusader at June 17, 2007 11:37 AM

interestinconundrum, thanks. Its amazing how the left can jump on Lou Dobbs for saying leprosy cases were brought in the last 3 years by immigration as nativist when their own links to primary sources show it was legal immigration over the last 30 years not just illegal immigration in the last 3.

Their willingness to shade the truth, or really pervert it, is amazing.

Posted by: Old Atlantic at June 17, 2007 11:46 AM

"Wow, I wonder if we'll hear about this from the MSM and if we do, I can just hear them now! I hope it was taped for television but even if it was, none of the gutless, politically correct networks would dare to televise it."
By susanp

Maybe C-SPAN will, if their cameras were allowed at the conference?

Posted by: PMK at June 17, 2007 12:33 PM

Naseem,
You're not a nut. You're comic relief.
PMK

Posted by: PMK at June 17, 2007 12:40 PM

Naseem,
Why is it that Islamic cultures remain mired in tribalism? You want to build a universal nation of Islam yet you fight amongst yourselves all the time. (Not that I mind - it helps us that Islam remains divided. It's just hard to understand why Islam has never developed a concept of love and brotherhood. Hasn't it grown enough to feel secure with non-Muslims living in its midst?)
PMK

Posted by: PMK at June 17, 2007 12:43 PM

Re; Islam's Rise in Europe: Will it Be Our Fate?

There are many reasons why Islam is going to get the cold shoulder in America. The Jew hating does not sell in America and that is a central aspect of Islamic dogma. It's just not in the DNA of America for many reasons. We have dodged that insanity.

As for central and eastern Europe, they have the infection along with Islam. However, I do not think Islam will prevail in Europe. Things will go in a direction no one now anticipates. What I foresee is the rise of a Nazi-fascist Europe, complete with eugenics programs. It has been asleep for some time but it is going to awaken and the skies and earth will tremble when it does awake from its sleep. That is going to be a very dangerous time and the US will be considered an enemy by a fascist Europe.

It is interesting that Hitler (not long before he croaked in 1945) predicted that the Nazis would be in control of Europe and Germany would be the engine of a revived fascist machine in 2045. He said "all this rabble of separate states" (in Europe) would be gone in that time.

Posted by: Frank at June 17, 2007 12:47 PM

European Crusader

While I agree that Russia is not the threat that Islam is, I agree with Foehammer that Russia does have the same potential to do damage as Germany of the 1930's. Besides, while you are right that they've barely defeated the Chechens, and could run into trouble with other 'autonomous' regions, economically, they are awash in oil revenues (which unfortunately for them is the only thing masking an otherwise poor economy), and unlike with the Soviets, this time have the economic firepower to conquer what they like. This business about supporting the Shia doesn't hold water, since they have been supporting Armenian claims on Nagorno Karabakh over the Sunni Azeris. More likely, it's Russia lashing out at the US for supporting Islamic interests against Russia as I noted above, and some of it may even be revenge for the US support of the Mujahids in Afghanistan against the Soviets.

I do wish that both the State Department and the Kremlin realize before it's too late who the real enemies are - for both parties.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at June 17, 2007 12:57 PM

As stupid as it sounds....I defend Bush on the "go shopping" statement. 9/11 had a negative impact on our economy. But it could have been much worse had most Americans acted different in the months following it. One of the terrorist goals of 9/11 was to cripple our ecomony. By spending money Americans were avoiding this. I know it sounds stupid...But I think that it helped lessen the impact. Liberals like to attack that thought because they know it was try and it helped. As stupid as it sounds on the surface of it---it was a need statement for America.

Posted by: screaming_eagle at June 17, 2007 1:01 PM

I think the ghost of Nietzsche is going to say, "I told you so". Into the vacuum will come a revival of the "Over-man" dream. It's asleep now. Islam may play a role, but it will only be a supporting actor. A world-wide economic crisis may also play a role and be an ironic twist on "globalism".

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/nietzsche/

Posted by: Frank at June 17, 2007 1:03 PM

To claim that Germany was not poor prior to the rise of the Nazis is simply not knowing history.

Posted by: Foehammer at June 17, 2007 1:16 PM

And again, let me clarify -- Putin does not want Islam to dominate -- Putin wants Islam to weaken the rest of us so that he can exploit what's left. Unlike the United States, within Russia I'm quite sure that Muslims aren't being dealt with kid gloves, so the "problems" Russia has with Islam are far less than what we are going to inherit here over the course of the next few years. Europe is in an even worse position.

Truly, the main reason I believe Putin is fanning these flames -- if I was him, a KGB bread despot posturing as a democratic president of New Russia, I'd be implementing the exact strategy I'm warning of.

I first saw warning signs coming out of Russia years before 9-11. Do you really think that we keep military bases in Europe to fend off underground Nazis and the vocal remnants of Soviet Communism? No, our U.S. military is there based on scenarios that span the scope of what I'm implying and far more. Contingency plans are a staple of any military worth its camo-gear.

Posted by: Foehammer at June 17, 2007 1:23 PM

"To claim that Germany was not poor prior to the rise of the Nazis is simply not knowing history".-Foehammer

I don't understand your point. Germany after the unification under Bismark became an economic powerhouse and the Krupp Machine in the Rhineland was at its core. Hitler used that machine that had only been idle from 1918 to 1933. Germany was not poor prior to the rise of the Nazis and Germany quickly rearmed because of a powerful economic machine that only needed to be turned on. There is a difference between being broke and being poor. If they had been poor they would have been better off as things turned out.

Foe, I respect your opinions. Maybe I'm missing something here.

Posted by: Frank at June 17, 2007 1:29 PM

Frank,

There was a world-wide recession in the 1930s. Germans suffered from "hyper-inflation." German money became worthless overnight. (there are pictures of people with wheelbarrows full of worthless German money -- outhouses were lined with German money..it was de-valued and utterly worthless). Soon people were bartering away expensive items just to be able to put food on the table.

Posted by: J.S. at June 17, 2007 2:00 PM

"The conference, in general was a great initial step towards marshaling the forces of the good in civil society in order to counter the advancing evil. Contrary to popular belief, not all religions are good and not all are equal to other religions. Islam is one promoted by the left as a “religion of peace,” but in reality is headed by a God that believes in killing non-believers.

That makes Islam not a true religion but an ideology which demands the death sentence for you, should you depart from it or its rigid demands. Islam meets the standard FBI definition of a “cult,” in which the allegiance of its devotées is not to America but to their ideological group, Islam. It is hardly a “religion of peace” – it is more appropriately designated as a “cult of death,” in which suicide bombers are elevated to “sainted status.” We all need to pay attention and assist those like Avi that are leading the charge to counter the plague that is upon us."

At last, at least it is good that there are people who believe like what I believe that Islam is not a religion, but truly a cult that has been dressed to look like a religion. Its practices are very much cult-like to begin with. For one thing, the god of Islam is not the same God of the Holy Bible. Another thing, it believes in killing non-Muslims who do not want to convert and will kill those Muslims who leave. Plus it oppresses both non-Muslims and women as well. Islam is the biggest threat of our times.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at June 17, 2007 2:06 PM

The truth is that Islam is going thru a begining or a start of a its death spiral because proof of what is posted here is what is going on in the Gaza and West Bank areas. It is a sign that the Palis cannot govern themselves and also proof that Islam is what it is, a dangerous, oppressive system that distroys those who use it.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at June 17, 2007 2:18 PM

J.S.-

That is true, but the hyper-inflation resulted in part from a politics, it made meaningless the reparations required by the Versailles Treaty. Those reparations had to be reworked after the hyper-inflation.

It is true that Germany did go through a period when they were "broke" and it did traumatize the middle class in Germany, but the basic machine of production was sound and that is the real reckoning of the wealth of a nation-its potential to produce for a home market and export market.

Poor is the Sudan, poor is much of Africa. Germany was not poor, they were "broke" for a few years after WW1. Their economy was not working for a few years. But by the mid 20's the economy was doing ok. In 1929 all that changed and the Nazis moved into the center of the stage because of a worldwide depression.

Posted by: Frank at June 17, 2007 2:20 PM

How a "religion" that was once universally understood in the West as anathema to our Civilization ever became so fatally misunderstood as "peaceful" by the cultural heirs of Dante (who placed Mohammad in 'The Inferno') and John Adams and Winston Churchill, all of whom grasped this violent and intolerant "faith" for what it is, is a puzzling and historicallly unique event.
Posted by: profitsbeard

And to think only in the middle of the 20th century, people like Bishop Fulton J Sheen and Hilaire Belloc understood Islam to be anathema to our civilization, and back then saw it as a gathering threat which our children and grandchildren would have to face down as detailed below:

"Today (1950), the hatred of the Moslem countries against the West is becoming hatred against Christianity itself. Although the statesmen have not yet taken it into account, there is still grave danger that the temporal power of Islam may return and, with it, the menace that it may shake off a West which has ceased to be Christian, and affirm itself as a great anti-Christian world Power." - Bishop Fulton J. Sheen, 1950

"Will not perhaps the temporal power of Islam return and with it the menace of an armed Mohammedan world, which will shake off the domination of Europeans -- still nominally Christian -- and reappear as the prime enemy of our civilization? The future always comes as a surprise, but political wisdom consists in attempting at least some partial judgment of what that surprise may be. And for my part I cannot but believe that a main unexpected thing of the future is the return of Islam." - Hilaire Belloc, The Great Heresies 1938.

and also from The Great Heresies:

"It has always seemed to me possible, and even probable, that there would be a resurrection of Islam and that our sons or our grandsons would see the renewal of that tremendous struggle between the Christian culture and what has been for more than a thousand years its greatest opponent."�

"The suggestion that Islam may re-arise sounds fantastic, but this is only because men are always powerfully affected by the immediate past: one might say that they are blinded by it"�

"But not so very long ago, less than a hundred years before the Declaration of Independence, Vienna was almost taken and only saved by the Christian army under the command of the King of Poland on a date that ought to be among the most famous in history: September 11th, 1683."

So why don't our leaders and our population, after atrocities like 911, London, Madrid etc, and the callings for genocide by the likes of Ahmadinejad see it as a threat to our society? Obviously something awry has happened to our society since 1950, a phenomenon known as political correctness, multiculturalism, and an army of Islamoapologists have distorted the truth, rewritten history, and have gained influence, much to our cost. Thje likes of Edward Said, John Esposito and Karen Armstrong have so much to answer for, peddling lie after lie that has left us vulnerable only 40 or so years after Belloc's time. Our media and so-called intelligentsia have sapped our will to survive. They have elevated in value the lives of terrorists and the hostile peoples of Muslim lands above those of our troops and civilians, and saddled our troops with PC rules of engagement which put them at a serious disadvantage.

As a result, our civilization has become worthless to them, and increasingly worthless to large segments of our population. White guilt has replaced all the pride and spirit that sustained us through two World Wars. And that bodes ill for the next 20 years or so.

Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at June 17, 2007 2:37 PM

I think Frank has explained Germany's situation in the 30's precisely. Germany was not a poor country, it was a leading European economic and industrial power, but it had a major economic crisis.

Posted by: European Crusader at June 17, 2007 2:39 PM

J.S.-

I do not pretend to be an economist, but I do know that the economy of Germany was doing very well after Hitler took power and the unemployment rate was very low after 1934 in Germany. Everyone marveled at the humming economic machine as most of the rest of the industrialized world had high unemployment rates. (I think at one point in the US the unemployment rate reached 25%.) Charles Lindbergh was very impressed by the humming German economy. Unfortunately, few dared look under the hood where they would have seen that it was a war economy. The Nazis controlled labor (which made the industrialists happy) and the industrial machine produced tanks ans planes for the coming war. Only a few chose to see what was happening and why the "economic miracle" had everyone in Germany humming "Dutchland Uber Alles". Churchill saw reality. But few others wanted to see reality.

We had a similar humming economy during WW2 because we had a war economy. But our war economy was not one of choice, but one of necessity. We caught up with Germany (and Japan-though Japan was early at war for raw materials in China) quickly and out produced them like crazy. When FDR requested from Congress appropriations for producing 50,000 planes per year after Pearl Harbor, Hitler publicly said "Roosevelt is a sick brain" and ridiculed the projected production. As it turned out, the US produced 60,000 fighters and bombers in the first year. We were literally the "Arsenal of democracy" by 1944.

I think the basic wealth of a nation must be reckoned in ability to produce goods and services for a home and export market. That seems common sense.

Posted by: Frank at June 17, 2007 3:01 PM

"Islam meets the standard FBI definition of a “cult,” in which the allegiance of its devotées is not to America but to their ideological group, Islam. “

This is clearly true since this ideology demands that Muslims must be Muslims first and foremost and that the rest of the population, which does not avail itself of the opportunity to submit under the Koran, are vile underlings deservingly bound for subjugation, if possible, and certain hell after death. It would be a good question for our presidential candidates as to whether or not they agree with this statement.

The fact is that Islam should not be afforded the designation of a constitutionally protected “religion” but that of a dangerous cult. Islam should be actively discouraged by the press, pundits, universities and political institutions. Unfortunately, the large presence of proclaimed “moderate” muslims only deludes & and pacifies most people. For the future I see only devastating civil turmoil in Eurabia, which will be a clear warning to Americans who must elect hard to find non-sellout politicians to avoid the same dire fate.

Posted by: FM at June 17, 2007 3:25 PM

European Crusader-

Frankly, I wish I had taken more economics courses. But they had a powerful infrastructure that was only turned off for a brief period (roughly 1919 to 1923). Germany was a wealthy nation.

It seems that in war it is necessary to win by smashing or neutralizing the means of production of the enemy. We did that via bombers and fighters over Germany and Japan. (The show-down with Japan started with their invasion of China and then they really went for the marbles on 12/7/1941 as they unilaterally ended our oil embargo and raced through Asia for oil to fuel their war economy.

Hugh has made the point countless times that the Jihad machine is fueled by oil production. It is no different than Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan in that regard in terms of wealth production. The production foundation in this regard (with Arab Imperialism) must be neutralized-and quickly.

Posted by: Frank at June 17, 2007 3:27 PM

Trust me, we would really be in trouble if Islam was not such a mind numbing belief system. With the kind of wealth produced in the Mideast, Germany or Japan (or China) would rule the earth. Instead, Islam, in the oil countries, produces no industry, but a bunch of lay-abouts who import servants and goods and services. This is one of the reasons I have my doubts that Islam is going to be so powerful in the future. I am intuitively concerned about a revival of fascism in Europe. They have an ability to produce. They may get rid of socialism and the Islamic lay-abouts will deport themselves. Central Europe could become the real threat in the future and Islam used as a means to a fascist agenda if they are not kicked out or forced to assimilate.

We humans have a way of projecting our hopes and fears into the future. But things never turn out the way we think they will. As Yogi Berra said after that happened (on something or other), "The future isn't what it used to be".

Posted by: Frank at June 17, 2007 3:56 PM

I've been busy all day so I'm afraid I missed on this discussion. FoeHammer, Infidel Pride and sheik yer'mami have it right. I'll just add that Putin and West have the same enemies: Left in power in the West (Dubyah al-Saud included) + Islamists. They are losing a million people a year. How do you imagine they'll invade anyone?

Posted by: SerbInfidel at June 17, 2007 3:58 PM

Gee, Greg - as one who has watched a lot of people get banished forever from Jihad Watch for saying exactly the same things about Islam being an evil mainstream religion - I wonder how you get aways with it? Whatever, my hat is off to you but I'll bet you will not be a functioning part of Jihad Watch for long if you Keep Being so RELIGIOUSLY INCORRECT! But, thanks for the brave truth telling anyway - The Koran is an evil book, and all Muslims support a clearly evil and murderous mainstream religion and until there are a few more people willing to be Religiously Incorrect, we are in danger of being erased from the book of survival forever ! !

Posted by: tom at June 17, 2007 9:40 PM

tom-

Actually, one can say anything here as long as it is backed up by solid reasoning and logic. The people who will have a problem here will either be Muslims pretending to be non-Muslims or non-Muslims with a bumper-sticker mind. The critiques of Islam are powerful on this site and they are based in a Joe Friday approach to facts. I note the best posters here use the words because, since, hence or phrases like "for that reason". Some of their critiques of Islam are devastating because they argue the facts.

Islam (especially Arab Islam) is a mind numbing belief system that produces no industry because everywhere Muslims have the geological accident of oil (unlike Germans with iron in the Rhineland, e.g.) Muslims produce no industry to export goods and services. Instead, where they are so lucky, they import servants, goods and services. It's the supremacist delusions in Islam that create such a sense of entitlement and intellectually foot-bound minds.

Tiny postage-stamp Israel (with no oil and few natural resources) is a leading producer of technology and wherever possible (orange juice, produce, e.g.) the Jewish people create industry. The Christians in Lebanon are also very productive when given a chance. Islam is deadly to industry, especially in the Mideast. Any other culture, but Islam, would use that oil to fuel the rise of an industrious civilization. The belief-system cripples the mind and creates an envious sense of entitlement to the product of real industry.

Posted by: Frank at June 17, 2007 11:35 PM

The creative vs. the crippled mind:

The essential difference between Israel and the Muslim Mideast (in terms of industry) is that Jewish people at Motorola-Israel invented the cell-phone and Muslims use the product of that brilliant discovery to blow people up. The only industry Islam promotes (particularly Mideast Islam) is the need for security services. Wherever Muslims go, invest in security industry stocks that must be invented by industrious cultures that Muslims enter. The belief-system (Islam) cripples the creative mind as it produces a mind of envy, resentment and finally mind with a real and deadly hated for the free mind. Islam is evil for that reason.

Posted by: Frank at June 18, 2007 12:14 AM

@Frank:

http://www.u.arizona.edu/~shaked/Holocaust/lectures/lec6.html

This is what many of you are missing. Nazis rose to power, as I have said, as a direct result of repressive sanctions placed upon the Germans following their defeat in WWI. Hitler played on the fears of poverty-stricken and hopeless Germans to cultivate the birth of the Nazi Party(National Socialist German Workers' Party founded in 1919.) Hitler taking over leadership in 1922 and the party rising to prominence by 1933.

From the linked article:

*Nazism came to Germany in the 1920s & 1930s, because
- the Weimar Republic was weak,
- communist revolution filled the air, and
- severe economic problems made most people look for radical political change.

Posted by: Foehammer at June 18, 2007 12:24 AM

"Islam's Rise in Europe: Will it Be Our Fate?"

It most certainly will be our fate unless we stop electing people to office who don't know the difference between a friend and enemy, good and evil.

Posted by: rational at June 18, 2007 1:38 AM

I don't beleive Russia is cause of Eurabia.

But I do beleive Russia will be holding Islamic's hands in this all out war against Israel (soon to happen). The end of Russia and Islamic's hordes will be..it is foretold.

Naseem...do you beleive you should leave Islam and be saved by True God (Almighty God)?

Read Ezekiel 38! Russia will have many to die...just a handful left to go back home as a witness to God's power.

Ezekiel 38:1-6 The word of the Lord came to me; Son of man, set your face against Gog, of the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal; prophesy against him and say: 'This is what the Sovereign Lord says: I am against you, O Gog, chief prince of Meshech and Tubal. I will turn you around, put hooks in your jaws and bring you out with your whole army - your horsemen fully armed, and a great horde with large and small shields, all of them brandishing their swords. Persia, Cush and Put will be with them, all with shields and helmets, also Gomer with all its troops, and Beth Togarmah from the far north with all its troops - the many nations with you...

Posted by: Cher at June 18, 2007 2:34 AM

Foehammer, I'm with you, buddy. Does anybody really think that after years of Russia spreading it's errors throughout the world, it would just pack up Communism and go home? No way. Russia didn't spend most of the last century supporting and nurturing Communist regimes around the globe because they were interested in the well being of their people. They were, and I believe still are, interested in world domination. If anyone here thinks the fruits of Russia's revolution are dead, check out Vietnam, Cuba and a little country called China. All of those countries received support and orders from Moscow in the past. It looks to me like Putin has just repackaged his show and is getting ready to take it on the road. Once a KGB agent, always a KGB agent.

Or perhaps Putin is just doing what Communists have always done best. Last year I finally read a book that my dad had on his shelf the whole time I was growing up in the 60's and 70's. Whittaker Chambers book, "Witness" is a real eye opener regarding Communist infiltration of the U.S. government in the 1920's onward. Chambers was vilified by the left in this country for accusing his one time friend and comrade, Alger Hiss, of being a Communist agent. Chambers was almost destroyed, and indeed died relatively young at the age of 61, after his involvement in the trial that brought Hiss down. Hiss went to jail for a while and his career was destroyed, yet the fellow travelers who adored him never stopped slinging mud at Chambers and screeching that he was a liar regarding Hiss. Funny thing though, in the late 1990's when the Venona papers were released, Hiss was in fact, shown to be a Russian spy.

Why did Whittaker Chambers, who at one time was a well respected editor for Time Magazine, risk his life, his health and his financial security to come forward and testify against the left's golden haired boy when he knew that Hiss had the backing of Moscow and the entire Communist apparatus? Read the book. He did it for his children. He saw what was coming in the future if Communist infiltration of our government remained unchecked. He had become disillusioned with Communism during Stalin's purges and started to realize that maybe Communism wasn't really the great savior of civilization that it made itself out to be.

Now, go back to 1917, the year that saw the Russian Revolution begin; in May of that year, the Blessed Virgin, Mother of Jesus Christ, appeared to the three little children at Fatima in Portugal, (Fatima, a Muslim name,) and warned them of impending disaster if our world did not heed the call to turn away from evil, stop offending God and treat our fellow man charitably. One of the main points in her dialogue with the children was that Russia would spread its errors throughout the world and that various nations would be annihilated. She asked that all the bishops of the world unite with the pope on one day and together consecrate Russia to her Immaculate Heart. The Blessed Mother said that if this was done there would be a period of peace thoughout the world. Lest you think I'm making this up, why did Catholics pray for Russia at the end of every mass said before Vatican II abolished the practice during the prayers at the foot of the altar? Look at a St. Joseph's or a St. Andrew's Missal from before the mid-1960's and you'll see it very plainly says "Prayers for the consecration of Russia" at the end of the mass. That practice is still continued where the Tridentine Mass is said, because the consecration has not taken place. If we were really at peace right now, does anyone here think that we would be experiencing the problems that we are with Islam? Would we have kids going into schools shooting classmates and teachers to death? Would our kids be over fighting in a war in Iraq? No, they would not. And in case you want to dismiss the appearances of the Blessed Mother as mere fantasy, be aware that there was a miracle of the sun attached to her last appearance on October 13th, 1917 that thousands of people saw and was covered in the pro-Communist, secular newspapers of the day. Many people were converted from Communism to Catholicism because of this event. Oh and BTW, Crusader in a post above mentioned that Islam had not made a dent in Portugal. That's because the Blessed Mother promised back in 1917 that Portugal would always retain the deposit of the faith, and it enjoys her special protection to this day.

So in conclusion, it is very possible and I think totally probable that Russia's little duck may look peaceful on the surface but it is paddling very fast under the water right now. It has always used other peoples' unrest, discord and chaos to further it's goals. Perhaps we don't see it because we are too busy focusing on the atrocities that the Muslims commit daily. And what a perfect cover that is.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at June 18, 2007 5:48 AM