Kosovo is a good example of an "indigenous culture", "indigenous People" being killed or driven out by the Ottomans. All of history is in this pattern. However, the only Imperialists who never feel shame or apologize for such things are Muslims. The self-righteousness, the demented rationalizations that permit such Imperialist oppression, are at the core of all history-at the core of Islam. It's all traced back to Muhammad and Arab Imperialism. Islam is, at its core, the engine of Arab Imperialism. Bowing to Mecca is central to that picture.

Posted by: Frank at June 29, 2007 12:10 PM

Those who ignore history learn it the hard way.

Posted by: profitsbeard at June 29, 2007 12:12 PM

European misgivings?

If you want it done right, do it yourself.

Where were they when it all started? Bill Clinton tried to respect European wishes. Those who complained of "American hegemony" were invited to run European affairs. Why didn't they? They had many governing bodies that were closer to the situation than we were. They did nothing. NOW they complain? It's not that what we're doing is right, but don't Europeans have to accept any culpability?

Posted by: PMK at June 29, 2007 12:43 PM

That's been the standard argument by many worldwide, including among the US Left, for years - Americans do this or that wrong, blah blah blah.

Many of us just want to HELP. So if people don't like the way we do things, they should do it themselves. But we then hear complaints about NOT getting involved.

It's frankly a lose/lose (or loose/loose, if you're that dumbass from yesterday).

Many here at JW are not from the US, but we're NOT the problem. The whiners ARE.

Posted by: Miss_Anthrope at June 29, 2007 1:31 PM

We noticed, believe me.

The more the US government continues to negotiate with Islamic terrorists (while it claims not to be) the more difficult it will be for it to extricate the United States from terrorism plots against it. The more a government negotiates with Islamic terror the more trouble it will usually find itself in.

One obvious problem is that Islamic terrorists do NOT negotiate in good faith (that taqiyya tactic works with those who do not understand it -- like Bush) and the US government presently does not handle this type of situation well at all. The terrorists know this and take full advantage of the US politicans while the American public must look on in horror.

If only someone could get through to this administration and inform these dolts that listening to Muslims is a WASTE OF TIME FOR non-Muslims because Muslims are bound by the Kuran to deceive the "unbelievers."

A very dangerous development indeed as Bush is NOT intelligent enough to handle this problem correctly by himself and he does NOT have the appropriately-educated staff to back him up. There is not a single western democracy handling Islamic terrorism properly either so there isn't anyone to counsel the US government on this problem.

We can only hope that we can claen up the mess after the next terrorist attack on America which I think we all can see is coming.

Posted by: pythagoras at June 29, 2007 1:46 PM

PMK -

who do you mean by "Europeans"? - I suppose the EU. Who has the say in the EU? Definitely not the Serbs, to whom Kosovo belongs. The policy of accomodating the wishes of Muslims by feeding them with morsels of Serbian lands has been started by the EU, with German politicians and German BND in the lead. (Kinkel, German foreign minister and ex BND boss, said that "Serbia must be brought to her knees", Fischer, ex German forign minister, compared Serbs with Nazis...etc. etc.)

From a Serbian perspective USA only jumped on the train that EU has initiated and is now speeding it up. USA and EU compeete for affection of the Muslim world at the expence of Serbia. EU has an advantage in this fight for Muslim affection, because it is perfectly willing to sacrifice Israel as well (Serbia is one of the few countries in Europe where support for Israel belongs to mainstream). Those who have the say in the EU are favourable to Muslims because they believe they can instrumentalize them (they are wrong, but they still don´t know it). Serbia is in the way. Besides (this is also where EU differentiates from USA). Last but not least, do not underestimate the power of family-education: fathers of many EU politicians were Nazis or Nazi-symphatizers, so they are full of resentments towards Serbs again, given that Serbs fought Nazis at the time when most other Central and Eastern Eurpeans were more than happy to serve them.

I get sick , when I only hear the word "EU". Although as a Serb I am a European , I do believe more and more that this continent, at least as long as it is commanded by the EU, which is really a mixture of Nazi- and Soviet- dream came true, doesn´t deserve anything better than to be knocked down by Muslim hords.

Possibly, I would think the same if I would live in USA, I don´t know. I was happy when Bush won the elections, hoped so much that this will make a change. Meanwhile I see that when it comes to Serbia, he is supporting jihad and this in such an ugly way, partially it is worse than with Clinton. It is all so cynical, sometimes I cannot believe it is real.

Posted by: Serbian girl at June 29, 2007 2:08 PM

Serbian girl,

You are absolutely right about the EU...our problem in the US is that, although we aren't in the state the EU is currently, we have way too many in power who WANT that.

It's like watching lemmings jump off the cliff & wanting to emulate their behavior. Why?

Fortunately, our 'grassroots' efforts seem to be all we have to stop the arrogant multiculturalist elitists in Washington.

The immigration/amnesty bill is a great example. That fiasco of a bill really moved us to irritate the living hell out of our Senators, and remind them for whom THEY work.

I just hope we keep it up every time we see this crap occur, to ensure we don't have the same problems as those under the EU umbrella.

Posted by: Miss_Anthrope at June 29, 2007 2:39 PM

Our love for the Kosovars is something like the love we had for Saddam Hussein when he warred against the Iranians who had taken our embassy hostage. The Serb record of conduct is every bit as bad if not worse than the Iranian, and it's hard to decide whether this means we should root for their enemies. They tried to exterminate what seems to have been a truly advanced, Europeanized Muslim culture in Bosnia-Hercegovina, and so now we're supporting the primitive, feudal Albanian Muslim culture of Kosovo, whose members are doing their dangdest to screw over any surviving Serbs on the territory. At least they gave George a big wet one and seem like they may remain genuinely pro-American for a while. (But let's hold off on recruiting Kosovars for any peacekeeping forces in Iraq....)

Posted by: Karl Pov at June 29, 2007 4:33 PM

Thank you Mr. Bill Clinton for your Kosovo plan.

Posted by: callmeinfidel at June 29, 2007 4:41 PM

Thank you Mr. Bill Clinton for your Kosovo plan.

Posted by: callmeinfidel at June 29, 2007 4:42 PM

Serbian Girl,
You're right I meant primarily the Germans and the French. They are the ones who make most of the noise and ooze with self-righteousness. I should have been clearer.

They also have the most power, the most wealth and the most influence. They refuse to do anything but then complain when the US does.

I suspect we in the US are woefully underinformed about Serbia. The picture we were presented by our media (at the time I was primarily reading newspapers and magazines) in the early 1990s was of the Serbs as villains. We also heard a lot about World War I and all that.

Clinton was trying to deal with the remnants of the first Gulf War and everyone was trying to get the Muslims in as partners. In the process, we may have sold out the Serbs. Part of the problem was probably your leaders. They were presented as trying to create "Greater Serbia" (in effect, redrawing borders) and the Bosnian Serbs were the primary villains. Milosevic and Mladic didn't do much to dispel this impression.

These are my own impressions of the picture painted in the 1990s. I have since learned that some of this was incorrect and that our leaders and elite media painted this picture to suit their own purposes.

My original response wasn't so much an indictment of Serbia as it was an indictment of the European leaders. I don't know if what they want is right but I get tired of them telling the US what has to be done and then complaining when we don't do it their way. Germany and France are rich enough to take care of themselves. They want what they see as the prestige (it's not all it's cracked up to be) but none of the responsibility of leadership.

Posted by: PMK at June 29, 2007 4:44 PM

Thank you for the article - I have always been concerned about this area. And quite often have mentioned that Clinton helped in slaughtering the Christians for the muslims and the radicals were so grateful that they now give to the DNC.

But, this area along with Lebanon should be a warning to us of muslim immigration and what will happen. And just think of all the masses of 'moderates' who have done nothing to stop the radicals. not one thing. I wonder if they gave the same lip service to the Christians when they were first starting to be slaughtered - how the muslims were the victims, and yes they do indeed want to stop the radicals, blah blah blah...

NATO is a disgusting organization while it sits and watches muslims slaughter others. They are doing it in Lebanon now. Who knows where else they just sit back and watch the gore.

Irony is that Europe is getting a taste of what they themselves sat back and watched happen to others. No, I am not happy this is happening, in fact I worry because we need our ally. This incident that happened today, I just wonder when it will succeed and a lot of people do get murdered by muslims. They certainly didn't stop trying to bring down the WTC - a failed attempt in 1993 and then again in 2001 which was a success for them. I believe they will try, try again. And then after that they will move on and do some more damage.

All we get on the news is 'International terrorism'. What a bull of a title. It is muslim terrorism and all we get is more of them being afraid of the problem. And I shouldn't just say it is them, because it is us too. We see our politicians just cowtowing to muslims and all that is going to do is make our world more dangerous. In all the history that I have read, I haven't read anything that tells me that muslim occupation was without death and destruction.

Posted by: R_not at June 29, 2007 5:16 PM

PMK, Europe is made up of nothing but incompetent, lily-livered freaks. They spew crud that they hate us, worship their little god - Che, and appease and cowtow to muslims.

And then they tell us what needs to be done.

Posted by: R_not at June 29, 2007 5:19 PM

Will the Dog bite your Hand or just chew up everything you own, or both?

There was a time where making nice with the Arabs seemed to make sense. Only to find out that Freedom of the Press really means the Freedom to tell stories intended to Bamboozle the audience.

As disagreeable as the Presidents Policies were or became to many. We should give him some credit for doing the real dirty work no other President was willing to do. Confront Radical Islam while trying to maintain a venue where Islam could reform to Peaceful ways without losing face.

For all practical purposes, the President has given Islam every opportunity to join the Modern World. While suffering all the Criticism for their unwillingness to accept it.

Now that the News is available in clear glass bottles instead of just cans. The General public will appreciate and understand when the next candidate offers a different approach. One that reflects Islams proven record of not wishing to get along.

Posted by: flowerknife_us at June 29, 2007 5:48 PM

The trouble is, the issue got clouded by those raping, murdering, vile Serbian swine. Who took men, women and children, and raped and murdered them, in the name of what?
They lost all their humanity, therefore ensuring that there would be a Greater Albania(irony, don't you just love it?).
You can't beat Islam by acting like a beast, or condoning the actions of beasts. We need to be true to ourselves.
The Muslims could have been deported back to Albania. What they didn't deserve was to be shot and buried in shallow graves, raped and then burnt to death in cellars, by the type of people who like to wear combat jackets, but can't actually stand to be in an army.
I think Islam is a nasty, primitive barbaric religion, who's attitudes are tolerated only because its proponents aren't white. But to show how civilised we've become by joining the barbarians is to show how we're beasts as well.
Remember there's a reason why the Balkans is such a mess, it's the people who live in it.

Posted by: Ian at June 29, 2007 6:30 PM

R_not,

You spoke of the multiple attempts to bring down the WTC. They apparently still haven't given up on the Sears Tower.

We have to be on our guard. Complacency kills.

Posted by: PMK at June 29, 2007 7:00 PM

Serbian girl:
I get sick , when I only hear the word "EU". Although as a Serb I am a European , I do believe more and more that this continent, at least as long as it is commanded by the EU, which is really a mixture of Nazi- and Soviet- dream came true, doesn´t deserve anything better than to be knocked down by Muslim hords.

Serbian girl I symphathise with you.
I am part of the EU but I do not like it.

Without doubt the EU is a monster.
There is shortage of democracy in the EU.
Much of the EU institutions have never been voted for by the ordinary people in each country.
Instead, the political elite try and rule without the mandate of the people.

And every year, the EU accounts are unsigned, because the Auditors smell corruption.

We witnessed that in 2005.
France and Italian voters voted no to the Constitution. And now there is an attempt to sneak a watered-down Constitution into place without a vote. "Democracy" means, "We will keep asking the voters to vote until they vote how we want them to vote. After that we wont ask again".

The EU is sick. And the political elite know that. Serbia should not bother joining, just maintain good relations with the EU and that is it. Switzerland and Norway are outside and they have not done badly.

Posted by: UK Infidel Lover at June 29, 2007 7:05 PM

In 1999, NATO had sunk to the lowest depth of dhimmitude, actually murdering Christians, destroying the holiest shrines of Serb Christianity, and brutally eraducating Christianity from Kosovo, all this to please the the Muslim world, to which many Clintonite and European sociopaths had actually publicly admitted. NATO is now in the same abominable category as the Palestinian so-called "Christians", who since about a century ago began murdering Jews, their fellow dhimmies, to buy the Muslim Arabs' good graces with the blood of Jewish men, women and children. NATO has been turned into an Islamo-Nazi force by Clinton, Albright, Clark, Christopher Hill, Tony Blair, Robin Cook, Jamie Shea, George Robertson, Clare Short, Xavier Solana and other criminals.
But as far as the populace is concerned, the very worst in this were, and still are, not the French or Germans, but the English. The Americans, although mostly uninformed, were against the Kosovo war, as every poll had shown, and their Republican representatives in the US Congress refused to grant Clinton the authority to prosecute the war. He went on with it anyway violating the War Powers Act, in addition to the Article One of the US Constitution, UN Charter, and NATO's own charter (Articles 1 & 7). It was stupid of the Republicans to try to impeach him for lying about sex, instead of real crimes and misdemeanors. It took months of an all-out rabid propaganda campaign by our abominable media pushing in Americans' faces images of sad, whiny Albanian refugees, and lying away at us without any shame or restraint to push the public approval for the war slightly above 50 percent.
No such Goebbelsian effort was needed with the English. From Blair on down, nearly 90 percent of the English populace rabidly pushed for that criminal war, with absolutely open bloodthirsty racism toward the Serbian people who had suffered so horribly for being loyal to them and to us during WWII. With unseemly glee, the British government, media, academic, artistic and intellectual elites, and the vast majority of the general population rejoiced at the suffering and agonizing deaths of Serb men, women and children.
Now it is known as a fact that well over 99% of the allegations of "Serb atrocities in Kosovo" were bold-faced lies, and most of the rest are in doubt. What was never in doubt is that the violence in Kosovo was started by the rabidly racist, sadistic, genocidal Kosovar Albanian KLA terrorists, and not by the Serbs whose only guilt was trying to defend themselves and their families from terrorists, in their own country. On Feb. 8, 2001, the German public ARD TV aired a documentary "It Began With a Lie", demolishing ALL NATO lies: "rape camps", "Operation Horseshue", "Massacre in Racak", "death camp at Pristina stadium" - everything! And I tip my hat to the Italian people: they alone in the entire Western world had consistently refused to back that evil war. Even the Italian media, that has some nasy rags among them, such as La Stampa, had overwhelmingly condemned the war. They have now been proven absolutely right. Isn't it astonishing that the only 2 places in the West where one can find any journalistic integrity and courage are the 2 former Axis powers, while the UK and US media have sunk below the Goebbels level?
Even now, English sociopaths such as Ian, continue lying away at us about "Serb atrocities", spewing out rabid racism against the entire Serbian people. You are English, aren't you, Ian? How do I know? Well, I instantly recognize an English Sociopath by his/her verbiage and traits. You, as well as "The Northumbrian" an Morgaan Sinclair provide examples of workings of an English Sociopaths' mind. Well, your evil is now blowing right back into your faces. 7/7 and the latest close call with the car bomb are but a foretaste of more things to come.

Ruslan Tokhchukov, EnragedSince1999.

Posted by: Enragedsince1999 at June 29, 2007 8:12 PM

Karl, look up the Europeanized and advanced Bosnian Muslims on the net. There are some videos of them beheading, killing, torturing, church burning, etc. Sounds like Taliban, right? Not a coincidence. Also look up a book written by the democratic president Izetbegovic, aptly titled "The Islamic Declaration". He keeps talking about a worldwide caliphate, incompatibility between Islam and non-Islamic systems (impossible to coexist, he says) and how individuality, national and other allegiance are all a distant second to Islam. Says Pakistan is a model modern Islamic country and so on and so forth.

They were made to look "moderate" so that helping them could be sold easier in the West.

Posted by: SerbInfidel at June 29, 2007 8:20 PM

If you want to know what's going on tomorrow read your bible today. I believe the in the near future the US will watch Muslims invade Israel then we will see a peace for a short time,So you better get on your face and pray bumpy road ahead.

Posted by: FUNNY GUY at June 29, 2007 9:34 PM

The Balkans certainly is a textbook example of how to F things up big time.

The Bosnian civil war started when Izetbegovic was advised - by the US - to take away his signature to the Lisbon agreement.

And to make the Dhimmi behaviour even more transparent was the US's policy of going into partnership with the Iranians -yep ,those Iranians - and start airlifting in huge quantities of arms and materiel to the Mujahideen -noted members including Mssrs Laden and Atta-

Pure Keystone Coppery at it's slapstick best

A big reason for Clintoon's policy choice was the Saudis insistence that they get payback for allowing the US on it's soil. Being a good Dhimmi, Clintoon was oh so eager to please his Saudi masters.

Yes sir, no sir, three bags full sir

Which probably goes some way to explaining why, in 99, the US trained the KLA who have links with Al Qaeda.

It's the Three Stooges doing international diplomacy , folks

And a mere two years later , on 911 , all those in the US just couldn't understand how Al Qaeda could be able to carry out such a spectacular terror attack. It's quite simple really. Bosnia gave the Mujahideen a new lease of life.

It's called Blowback , schmuck heads

Posted by: ewha1 at June 30, 2007 7:06 AM

The Balkans certainly is a textbook example of how to F things up big time.

The Bosnian civil war started when Izetbegovic was advised - by the US - to take away his signature to the Lisbon agreement.

And to make the Dhimmi behaviour even more transparent was the US's policy of going into partnership with the Iranians -yep ,those Iranians - and start airlifting in huge quantities of arms and materiel to the Mujahideen -noted members including Mssrs Laden and Atta-

Pure Keystone Coppery at it's slapstick best

A big reason for Clintoon's policy choice was the Saudis insistence that they get payback for allowing the US on it's soil. Being a good Dhimmi, Clintoon was oh so eager to please his Saudi masters.

Yes sir, no sir, three bags full sir

Which probably goes some way to explaining why, in 99, the US trained the KLA who have links with Al Qaeda.

It's the Three Stooges doing international diplomacy , folks

And a mere two years later , on 911 , all those in the US just couldn't understand how Al Qaeda could be able to carry out such a spectacular terror attack. It's quite simple really. Bosnia gave the Mujahideen a new lease of life.

It's called Blowback , schmuck heads

Posted by: ewha1 at June 30, 2007 7:09 AM

From Karl Pov

"They tried to exterminate what seems to have been a truly advanced, Europeanized Muslim culture in Bosnia-Hercegovina"

Your grasp of the Balkans isn't your strong suit , I take it, Karl.

Posted by: ewha1 at June 30, 2007 7:14 AM

To top off the "Keystone Cop Capery" , when the Islamist KLA attacked Macedonia, the US forces , guarding the Kosovo - Macedonia border would take any injured KLA terrorists to the local hospital , feed them , tend their wounds , then , when feeling fine and fit for more Infidel torturing would drop them off at the nearest bus stop. Throughout the entire KLA infiltration of Macedonia period , the US army shot precisely ZERO terrorists and arrested....erm.....ZERO terrorists.

Altogether now......"Ain't that sweet....AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

And then two months later, 911 happened.

To be fair, it really was the act of a scoundrel for the US had been ever so loyal and helpful to the Mujahideen over previous years.

Naughty Mujahideen, don't you remember who armed you and aided you in the Balkans?

911 pushed back the envelope on "BLOWBACK"

As I've said, how on earth can such a great country have such a f*&^&*g terrible foreign policy?

Posted by: ewha1 at June 30, 2007 8:57 PM

Ian QC analyses the Serbian people.

"raping, murdering, vile Serbian swine.......raped and murdered them........lost all their humanity......acting like a beast, or condoning the actions of beasts.........the barbarians is to show how we're beasts as well.....Remember there's a reason why the Balkans is such a mess, it's the people who live in it"

Knuckles been scraping the floor recently? Foaming been getting onto the keyboard?

Posted by: ewha1 at June 30, 2007 9:06 PM

"Remember there's a reason why the Balkans is such a mess, it's the people who live in it."

No Ian, the reason is that in centres of power, people like you, since ages, believe they will benefit if the periphery (Serbia) is raped, humiliated and treated with unbelievable cruelty. The crimes you are talking about did not happen. Serbs did not NATO has been now present for years, both in Bosnia and in Kosovo, - they haven´t been able to bring one piece of evidence for allegations you are making.

I guess you are British, - well, you have invented the mythos of "Islamic tollerance" at the time when Serbia, Greece and other nations from the European periphery fought heroic fight for freedom from the Islamic yoke. Because of your disgusting hater for Russians and equally disgusting belief that Serbs are some sort of "lite Russians" Britain supported Ottomans and created, even back in those times, picture of "ugly Serbs".

Serbs did not take Moslem men, women and children, they did not and raped and murdered them, neither in Bosnia, nor in Kosovo. The Muslims in Bosnia raped and murdered and often they executed ritual murders (cut off heads). This also applies to Albanians of Kosovo. Please have a look on those links:
http://www.juliagorin.com/wordpress/?p=837

Serbs , indeed, would have been better off, if they would be prepared to learn from their enemies. They were not prepared to act like Muslims and to act like Nazis, - the price they paid for is horrendous loss of population, loss of biological substance. If they had acted as you say you did, I suppose, they would have received all the love and affection of those like Blair and Co. or those like you yourself.

Posted by: Serbian girl at July 1, 2007 3:09 PM