More empty bravado from the Islamists. Both failed to detonate...one ran away.

Posted by: awake at June 30, 2007 12:43 AM

And will Muslims across the UK march in protest against this "misreading of Islam the religion of peace." No. They will post their nice letters saying these folks are not the real Islam then get along with their nice day feel secure that their Islamic poop does not stink to high heaven!

If some Methodists in the UK were bombing their fellow citizens I am confident there would be marches, prayer vigils, and a whole lots of soul searching regarding why their co-religionists were interpreting the Christian Bible in such a manner(if that were even possible).

Posted by: James Martel at June 30, 2007 12:49 AM

With all the bombings carried out by Muslim supremacists it's not too surprising that another one coincided with some internet boast.

It's like me proclaiming online: "Rejoice in God there will Thunder and Lightning in the land before Summer's end, and some damage will be done."

Behold, A Prophet!

Posted by: alexon at June 30, 2007 1:08 AM

"The herald of the coming evil"

Posted by: dennisw at June 30, 2007 1:09 AM

Should London set up a 'Green Zone' like in Baghdad? It may become necessary if these threats of bombing the civilian population, regardless of whether men, women, or children, innocents targeted by these jihadi fanatics. Where next? What suspicious vehicles or persons should be checked at ckeckpoints? While it is un-PC to condemn a religious zealotry that wishes death to the free, then what else is there? Internal security passes? Taking off our shoes at city check points? Where does it stop? Why not remove the problem in the first place? But that is un-PC. So our freedoms suffer, while we are bombarded with their jihadic hatreds of those very freedoms that made us great. Words fail me. What hatreds lurk in their evil hearts? We are fighting pure evil. When will the PC MSM press understand this? Their hateful gloatings sicken me.

Posted by: Battle_of_Tours at June 30, 2007 1:15 AM

We can't stop every attack. Soon, one of these bombs will detonate creating great carnage and so will another elsewhere.

The question is-- what are we going to do the next time this happens?

It seems obvious we will have to counter-attack these islamists head on and we will have to start with a suspicion of complicity of all muslims infesting our country--and deal accordingly.

When all these terrorists are coming from the same religious group of people---and since we never see a muslim rejection of the jihadis' acts-->we have to start dealing with our enemies like we are in a time of war. These bastards are out to kill and maim as many of us as we will tolerate.

We must ask the liberals an asinine question--what more would some thugs possibly need to do in order to prove that they are our enemies?

If any muslim wants to disown its terrorist brothers--and take a stand, it can prove that it means it. Back it up by demonstrating against, and even fighting the fanatics (you and I know they never have and never will make such a stand)

How many attacks are we going to accept before we get down to business?

Posted by: BB at June 30, 2007 1:30 AM

So why shouldn't everybody who posts on that board be arrested, taken out and shot?

Is this a war or isn't it?

Posted by: rickl at June 30, 2007 1:39 AM

We haven't seen enough carnage yet for us to really go to war. We have slogans about a GWOT--and such, but until we realize our enemy wants us dead NOW and it will never stop trying to do so until it either kills us or gets killed.

Posted by: BB at June 30, 2007 1:54 AM

Victory is terrorism and distress, not enlightenment and compassion,

Posted by: KAOSKTRL at June 30, 2007 2:09 AM

So why shouldn't everybody who posts on that board be arrested, taken out and shot?

Is this a war or isn't it?
Posted by: rickl

Problem is.. they may very well arrest you and me first..

Posted by: Allahfanculo at June 30, 2007 4:57 AM

'Iraqi-style' device defused outside club

Where are you, Progressive?

Posted by: Greek Fire at June 30, 2007 6:11 AM

l-Hazeen's message begins: "In the name of God, the most compassionate, the most merciful. Is Britain Longing for al Qaeda's bombings?"

looks like the demon allah could not deliver,and like the cowards who whoreship this monster ran away.
another nail in the coffin for islam, many more to come before it is lowered into the ground forever. that day cannot come fast enough for me.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at June 30, 2007 6:22 AM

Believe it or not:

The Cairns Fishwrap Reports: Bag bomb

http://sheikyermami.com/2007/06/30/the-cairns-fishwrap-reports-bag-bomb/

* Strange. Martyn Street? Cairns Ambulance Station and Martyn St cemetery, all not really that far from Dunn Street…

Remember Dunn Street? The place where the new mosque is supposed to go? The place for which sheik yer'mami was set up for assassination by the Cairns fishwrap by the resident rodent Gavin King?

Nah, couldn’t be…

You don’t say!

Surely it has nothing to do with the RoP!

What are you: Some kind of Islamophobe?

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at June 30, 2007 6:26 AM

"We must ask the liberals an asinine question--what more would some thugs possibly need to do in order to prove that they are our enemies? "

BB,
You've heard the joke that a conservative is a liberal who's been mugged?

Too many of them still refuse to admit that their wallet's gone, even after 9/11, even after 7/7, even after Madrid, Bali and all the rest.

I suspect that members of their own families could be killed before their eyes by jihadists and many liberals would still blame Bush, Blair or a combination of the two. (That's already happened in America. Some people cling to the belief that 9/11 was "an inside job".)

Putting the blame where it belongs means they would have to admit they were wrong about multiculturalism and a whole lot more. To many liberals, that's a fate worse than death.

Posted by: PMK at June 30, 2007 6:38 AM

Interesting programme on Radio 4 "Today" this morning with the apologist Livingstone and Ed Husain author of "the Islamist." Worth listening to on their catch up Listen Again website.

Posted by: londongirl at June 30, 2007 6:40 AM

Iv herd no mention of islam on the dhimmified BBC which is par for the course.
I suspect that our excellent security forces will identify the scumbags involved and our shit politicians will give them every opportunity to escape.
We already got a green zone in London from the old days fighting the Paddys I believe its called "The Ring of Steel" and its quite tight as long as you employ the right people to work it. hmm back to those politicians again.
Im not too concerned about Jihad guided non explosive German cars, I think the jehaddis will have to try alot harder to impress most brits. This only serves to continue wakeing up the sleeping masses.
6 years guys not the next election but the 1 after the british people will get the strong leader we deserve. Long live civilizeation

Posted by: ANonnyMouse at June 30, 2007 6:43 AM

"I've heard no mention of Islam on the dhimmified BBC." The interview was about Husain pointing out the idiocy of the Livingstone/BBC brand of pcness.

Posted by: londongirl at June 30, 2007 6:52 AM

One of the apologists is sure to show up later and claim that:

1. this message was planted on the board by MI5 or the CIA, meaning it was yet another "inside job"

2. It called for the bombing on 6/28 and it happened on 6/29, so ETA (Progressive?) or the IRA is responsible for it. The London attack is not the same one mentioned in the message board. But then, someone (Alexon) has already inferred as much right here on JW.

3. If the cars that were found belong to Muslims (no reason to believe they didn't, if they expected them to be destroyed leaving no trace), it will be claimed the cars were stolen the day before (MI5 again or maybe the CIA?) and just never reported to police.

4. Any DNA evidence was "planted". Hey, it worked for OJ.

Someone on C-SPAN has already suggested that the quickness with which the phone on the first car was disconnected suggests it was a plant and that the police knew it was there before they arrived on the scene. The jihadists seem oblivious to the notion that one of their methods for detonating car bombs in Iraq, a cell phone, is hardly a state secret. They teach us more and more about them every chance they get and they're surprised that we learn to detect them.

Responsibility? There's no such word in Islam.

Posted by: PMK at June 30, 2007 6:55 AM

Islam = dogshit on the shoe of the world.

When are we going to say "Enough!" ?

Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at June 30, 2007 7:13 AM

"It was the Mossad, the CIA...'

'Jews were dancing on the roofs of Buckimham palace'

'2000 Jews didn't go to the nightclub that night'

'It was an Irish Protestant by the name of O'Sama'

'Bombs are un-Islamic'

And the truthers will believe all of it...

..and will submit tomorrow...

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at June 30, 2007 7:29 AM

"Today I say: Rejoice, by Allah, London shall be bombed." Allah = Satan.

Posted by: BurkasforHitlery at June 30, 2007 8:23 AM

Yes, I agree, "Allah" is a Murder "God" and should be banned.

Posted by: darcy at June 30, 2007 8:26 AM

London London....get ready to be turned into a new Beirut.
There is still hope for England, but they have to change :

Rev 2:25 'Therefore remember from where you have fallen, and repent and do the deeds you did at first; or else I am coming to you and will remove your lampstand out of its place-- unless you repent.

Posted by: Crusader at June 30, 2007 8:32 AM

NBC, CBS - somehow, they just can't say the words "Islamic" and "Muslim(s)." The shame of that is huge. I feel shame for them, the PC cowards.

Posted by: darcy at June 30, 2007 8:45 AM

Internet posting prior to car bomb attempt: "Today I say: Rejoice, by Allah, London shall be bombed."

Looks like God had other plans that didn't include yours or allahs. Everyone else is rejoicing on this particular day.

Okay, "praise God," whoever and where ever you are.

Posted by: witness at June 30, 2007 8:46 AM

Crusader-

I may be wrong, but what you seem to be saying is that we are being targeted because we're sinners who need to bring ourselves back to the path?

Again, maybe I'm wrong and I'm sure you will elaborate, but on the face of it you're talking broken biscuits mate.

Posted by: Wishbone at June 30, 2007 8:48 AM

Thanks for the link londongirl Iv not seen as much news as id like in the last couple of days just some news24 in the background when im indoors.

Posted by: ANonnyMouse at June 30, 2007 8:48 AM

Don't worry! The largest manhunt ever is underway!

Of course, we don't know who they are looking for because they aren't allowed to show a photo or give a name.

Is it the person sitting next to you?

Who knows!

Are they looking under burkas and niqabs? Who knows?

How about flights to Pakistan?

Why would they check them? That would be politically incorrect!

And all the paranoia on the blogs is simply amazing.

Gordon Brown did it, the CIA did it, it's an inside job by 'agents' to make muslims look bad which was directed by Brown. Crazy, crazy, crazy.

The police are lying because it was a green car, no a silver car! It was a bomb, No it was gasoline which coun't really be a bomb! How did they detonate it so fast, they must have planted it! More crazy, crazy, crazy!!!!

I can hardly believe it. Anyone saying it's muslims is told it's deserved. Or they are bigots, racists (my favorite), islamophobes, xenophobes, etc.

I guess it doesn't matter how many attacks the west has done to it. There will always be plenty of people to defend the attacks. And they seem to like adding the line 'And I am a white, Christian' to the end of the post just to prove they are right! They want to assure us they aren't muslims just defending muslims. ACK!!!!

If Alan Johnston is murdered will the BBC crack?

Posted by: Borg at June 30, 2007 9:24 AM

While MPUK proffers abandonment of Iraq as the solution to UK violence, al-Qaeda in Iraq has held an armed rally in Iraq's second city. As soon as the "surge" funding dries up, they will return to Baghdad.

http://www.azzaman.com/english/index.asp?fname=news\2007-06-29\kurd.htm

Kurdish sources verify the report. Anyone who thinks show-the-flag patrols in IED territory and occasional ineffective assaults on terror compounds are going to win the war, is brain dead. In the name of Bush "freedom" an occupying force is allowing jihadi murder glorification videotapes to be sold within sniper range of US troops. Someday someone will add up the monumental folly that will - and statements from Republican Congress members cause concern - lead to American troops crawling out of the Middle East, like the beaten dog with its tail between its legs.

Posted by: supercargo at June 30, 2007 9:26 AM

First, I am not disagreeing with someone's right to speak their mind.

Second, if the moderators choose to leave postings as is, I am not disagreeing with their decisions.

Third, I would like to state that I am uncomfortable with the terms "Muslims infesting" (in this thread) and "Muslim infestation" (on another thread).

Muslims are human beings, not vermin.

Posted by: Josephine at June 30, 2007 10:22 AM

Yesterday morning (USA time) as the news was breaking, a police officer/spokesman came on to give a very general news briefing. His title indicated that he was deputy something-or-other and he had a Muslim name. Do any British JW'ers know who this guy is? I can only guess why he was put in front front of the cameras as a spokesman. Is he truly serving the people of London, or have his statements in the past indicated that he has other motivations?

Posted by: maryrose at June 30, 2007 10:41 AM

Re: Internet posting prior to car bomb attempt: "Today I say: Rejoice, by Allah, London shall be bombed."

Infantile mind update-useful-idiot-update: The Supreme Intelligence that created the laws of Universe (science bases all explanations of phenomena on those laws) needs these turds-with-ears to kill unbelievers? Islam is just another rationalization front, a cover (including the Islamic costumes) for an Imperialist domination of "indigenous cultures", "indigenous peoples". At its core, Islam is the engine of Arab Imperialism. Bow to Mecca me arse.

Posted by: Frank at June 30, 2007 10:50 AM

Muslims are human beings, not vermin.

Posted by: Josephine

A parallel argument (unrelated to jihad) is "no human being is an alien".

Well my random house dictionary has multiple definitions for each word.

1. vermin - objectionable or obnoxious persons

2. alien - a person living in a country of which he is not a citizen.

Neither word is being used incorrectly.

to infest is "to haunt or overrun in a troublesome manner, as predatory bands (refers to humans?), destructive animals or vermin do.
Another definition is: to be numerous in, as anything troublesome.

I would suggest that as uncomfortable as those words might make you feel and as politically incorrect as they might seem, they are still being used properly.

Posted by: PMK at June 30, 2007 10:55 AM

Borg,

I just listened to C-SPAN's opening segment on their morning show, asking callers for their reactions to the London bombings.

Most (not all) Democrats made excuses, among them:

1. the government is fear-mongering
2. the military made up the bin Laden tape that showed him boasting about the 9/11 attacks
3. it's an attack on civil liberties. This was just two cars with some gasoline and a bunch of nails, planted so that we would want to continue our assault on the Middle East. (my favorite)
4. Government is hoping to get more people to connect this bombing with Middle East terrorism and keep Gordon Brown from pulling British troops out of the Middle East, as he plans to.
5. If it were a terrorist attack the bomb would have gone off. Terrorists don't wait. They strike. (Someone who hasn't seen the car bombs in Iraq.)
6. Corporate press lies

Regarding #5, sometimes it's better to be lucky than good. As I understand it, London was lucky. There were two calls to each of the cell phones in an attempt to detonate the bombs. Neither of them went off. We might not be so fortunate in the future.

Posted by: PMK at June 30, 2007 11:06 AM

PMK - I see your point; I understand what you are saying.

I still don't like the term; I'll never agree to its usage in this way. Perhaps it's because Jews were called vermin by the Nazis.

I am against Islam. I wouldn't mind if Islam were eradicated but I do not wish for the eradication of Muslim people. To me, there is a huge difference, and I object to what I perceive as Muslims being demonized or dehumanized.

Again, I'm not disagreeing with someone's right to express himself; it is up to the moderators to draw that line. I am just expressing my own opinions. I accept that many here will disagree with me.

Posted by: Josephine at June 30, 2007 11:32 AM

Bombing at Glasgow airport.

Posted by: interestinconundrum at June 30, 2007 11:33 AM

Sorry, I should have written, "I'll never agree with its usage in this way."

Posted by: Josephine at June 30, 2007 11:33 AM

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,287472,00.html

Posted by: interestinconundrum at June 30, 2007 11:36 AM

I hope it doesn't come down to they say kiss my feet! and we say, "after you wash them!" naw that's not right! When ever there is a move like this, there is another in the works. A deterrent. Just like how Admadmanofjews does! Which they better well know it doesn't take a rocket scientist they-Iran will cause havoc and we will be set behind again. Amazing what a camera does.
Just like for our borders. I love these high tech weapons I have seen. There would be no war!

The internet is a fascinating tool....
The wrestler's wife's death posted ahead of time too. They said on tv, the FBI, they have had cell phones turn on by themselfs, ect. They will do this again! Real soon! I do not want to say,what, it would give ideas. For I hope I am wrong!

Posted by: MZ at June 30, 2007 11:42 AM

Glasgow Airport

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1273090,00.html

Listening to eyewitness accounts at mo, car was attemptedly rammed thru the terminal doors, two "Asian" men detained, one on fire (presumably his detonator worked but bomb didnt?), gas cylinders in vehicle. Few hurt.

Posted by: Uriel Septim at June 30, 2007 11:44 AM

I didn't know Bush was familiar with the internet! The so-called plot is getting even more cofusing. True there are international elements to it: Spain, UK, USA and Jesus knows who. I'm not sure if there is any Judeo-Nazi involvement because they have perpetrated terrorist attacks beyond the borders of the land they professionaly robbed.

Posted by: progressive at June 30, 2007 11:45 AM

@sheik yer'mami: You got that right. The truther moonbats seem to be expanding their base thanks to people like Ron Paul. The virulent torrential downpour of haters at my site in the past few days attests to that.

"Muslims are human beings, not vermin."

True enough, but if the shoe was on the other foot, and we were all at the mercy of Islam because we were minorities in our own countries, the Muslims would call us "pigs" and we would be begging for mercy each day for not having "reverted" to Islam.

Do not be so naive to believe that most Muslims love you. The Qur'an teaches each Muslim to look down his/her nose at any non-Muslim. They believe Islam to be the "one true religion" and they have a mandate from "God" to see Islam dominate the world.

Excuse me if I'm not ready to hold hands with Muslims and sing Kum-Ba-Ya. I want us to win this war. Making nice-nice with the enemy isn't part of the plan.

Now, if Muslims want to stay here in peace, then Saudi Arabia should allow all world religions to have the same protected freedoms as they do here in the United States, for a start. Yes, there we go -- that's my rationale for the day. There's your out, Muslims. Make that happen and I'll start to play nice.

Until then, get the hell out.

Posted by: Foehammer at June 30, 2007 11:47 AM

My last comments were directed at no persons in particular. I didn't make that clear.

Posted by: Foehammer at June 30, 2007 11:49 AM

Five Live reporting WHITEHALLS view;

unrelated "fringes" of "Criminal world" and "extremist politics" are responsible for the events of the past couple of days.

Its enough to make you weep. You'll see several bombs a day before this country starts to maybe possibly see a deeper problem.

------

"one mans freedom fighter is another persons terrorist"
"we're just going to have to live with it in this generation"

- The BBC

And so forth...

Posted by: Uriel Septim at June 30, 2007 11:50 AM

The world is populated by mostly good people. There were exceptions, but through the centuries, basic human nature has remained Human. That is the sole reason infidel territories have been falling and islamic states are coming up. In 1400 years, there were few people who understood how islam can be eradicated, who understood what was necessary if their culture, their people, their infidel ways of life were to continue. The choice we infidels have is binary. It was binary since muhammad made it so. We tried to have a solution other than this, and that is why we have failed, are failing, and will continue to fail. We are basically Human.

http://www.historyofjihad.org/

Posted by: arjun.sevak at June 30, 2007 11:51 AM

progressive - you leave Jesus out of your comments. You are not worthy to even let the name Jesus pass your evil lips. Jesus is love, while your "god," an imaginary god called "Allah," is filled with hate.

Judeo-Nazi? Sorry, you're thinking of the Islamo-Fascist-Nazis. Your own hate-filled kind.

By the way, your name is "backward" - you have nothing to do with any progress.

Ali Sina is right - Islam, a hoax religion, needs to be eradicated once and for all.

Posted by: darcy at June 30, 2007 11:53 AM

Of coarse it will be bombed, there are "radicals" there aren't there? They let them bred and preach hate and to kill! Just like here! yah, we'd stop em right if we could find em, or prove it first!
What a tangled weeb we web.

Posted by: MZ at June 30, 2007 11:58 AM

"...if the shoe was on the other foot, and we were all at the mercy of Islam because we were minorities in our own countries, the Muslims would call us "pigs" and we would be begging for mercy each day for not having "reverted" to Islam.

"Do not be so naive to believe that most Muslims love you..." Posted by: Foehammer

Foehammer, I understand that you weren't only speaking to me, and I am not taking offense at your posting, but I would like to comment.

I am not responsible for someone else's prejudice or actions; I am responsible for my own.

I don't expect any ultra-religious person to love me and I especially don't expect it from Islamists.

With respect,
Josephine

Posted by: Josephine at June 30, 2007 12:13 PM

Foehammer - Too bad you've had to deal with a "torrent" of Moonbat Dhimmi Idiots at your site lately.

What has happened to the West and all of our hard-won freedoms certain people are ready to hand over to the Musselman Barbarian?

Posted by: darcy at June 30, 2007 12:13 PM

Sorry to beat an almost dead zombie, but it keeps getting up.

Not exactly the same instant, but a Split Screen TV ad can wink for a few hours.

"The comment was posted on the forum, according to time stamp, at 08:09 a.m. British time on June 28 -- about 17 hours before the bomb was found early on June 29."

That was 1:09 PM Senate Time.

Question: On the Cloture Motion (Motion to Invoke Cloture on S.1639 )

Vote Number: 235 Vote Date: June 28, 2007, 11:04 AM
Required For Majority: 3/5 Vote Result: Cloture Motion Rejected
Measure Number: S. 1639
Measure Title: A bill to provide for comprehensive immigration reform and for other purposes.
Vote Counts: YEAs 46
NAYs 53
Not Voting 1

==

Almost at the same time as it was posted in London, 46 Senators were voting to give DHS a 24 hour maximum limit to do a background check on anyone in the US illegally who applies for a Z-Visa.

This included both of New York's Senators, John McCain, Lindsey Graham, and, of course, Ted "Profiles in Homeland Defense" Kennedy.

Are those who voted for this qualified to be president of the United States?

Posted by: Old Atlantic at June 30, 2007 12:13 PM

Allah is indeed protecting His People. Again and again bombs don't go off, major plots get foiled. Because 'Allah' knows just one or two more 7/7's and you will see UK populace rising up in fury and the tremendously successful slow jihad gig is up.

Posted by: poetcomic1 at June 30, 2007 12:14 PM

Josephine --

I guess it depends whether you see this as a war or not. If you don't, a lot of the discourse here will seem frightful and insane. I think people use this dehumanizing language because they need to buck themselves up for a long battle. If it's a war, it is either us or them, and I prefer us. If we survive with our freedoms intact, and their effort to cut us down fail, then we can wring our hands over 'what we've become.' We seem to have gotten over the awful demonization of the German and Japanese people during WWII. And if we fail, it's all a moot question.

George Orwell supposedly said 'Decent people sleep soundly in their beds because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.' I fully sympathize with your sensitivity, in fact I share a lot of it. But perhaps such gentle folk as ourselves would do better to just try and stay out of the way.

Posted by: Goob at June 30, 2007 12:17 PM

Glasgow airport:

"...was pouring petrol all over himself, it was almost like it was some kind of suicide mission"

-A BBC journalist cottons on, 2 hours after the event

They are still "2 men of Asian appearance" at this point in time.

Latest update
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1273090,00.html

Posted by: Uriel Septim at June 30, 2007 12:24 PM

Everyone should visit the BBC

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/6257194.stm

Pathetic jihadist attempt to burn an airport down in scotland. Ive sent Director the link.

Also its good to note that the london bomb cars came from the same location. Could the two events be connected? Its only speculative but thank god no one was killed. I laughed at these pathetic fools who 'set themseleves on fire'. If you can view the live streaming its coverage of the situation now.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/newsid_6250000/newsid_6257300/6257308.stm?bw=bb&mp=rm

Posted by: angle at June 30, 2007 12:28 PM

From Uriel Septim's link
Police say it is too early to say whether the incident - which comes after failed car bomb attacks in London - was related to terrorism.
Holy Toledo! The guys tried to drive a gasoline packed, flaming car into the terminal, got out of the car threw gasoline around, fought with police...maybe, just maybe it was terrorism.

Posted by: interestinconundrum at June 30, 2007 12:32 PM

Mohammed Sarwar, MP for Glasgow has been getting his spoke in - apparently he has received many concerned phone calls from concerned members of the Asian - particularly muslim - community.

I can just imagine it.

"Hello Mr Sarwar, how did we get on? Failed to detonate you say? Dang."

The PR machine is in full swing, and I guess i'm about to head off to jail for 7 years for noticing...

Posted by: Uriel Septim at June 30, 2007 12:55 PM

I am just expressing my own opinions. I accept that many here will disagree with me.

Posted by: Josephine

Josephine,

You're a good person. I suggest that you compare your own words to those of Muslims in London who were so offended by the knighthood given to Salman Rushdie and the "emotional pain" it caused to Muslims that they thought it validated killing people just to let us know how hurt they are.

They will not treat you with the respect you are treating us and with which you would have us treat them. You would not have the same freedom in a Muslim country.

The fact that a word was used by the Nazis doesn't discredit it. That's the same argument we hear from Muslims. The very word "crusade" offends them, even though that is what their religion is all about. The word is used in many different contexts but they would have us strike it from our dictionaries lest we make them uncomfortable.

I object to your suggestion that people who write something that makes you uncomfortable deserve to be censored. Freedom of speech (and press) is all about sanctioning the airing of views you don't agree with.

You and I (and most posters) can agree to disagree. What jihadist would accord any of us the same courtesy, even as he demands it from us?

Posted by: PMK at June 30, 2007 1:02 PM

My thoughts:

Cars used as terror weapons at Glasgow airport

I'll update as I may.

Posted by: Foehammer at June 30, 2007 1:13 PM

This a direct result of the the Iraq war. Bush has made the world more dangerous with his miscalculations and now we have to deal with the Iraq war veterans going back home with their expertise acquired fighting the crusaders in Iraq.
This is not an admission that the so- called London plot was the works of radical islamic elements, there is still the ETA connection that has not been solved yet. And let's not forget about Bushmills.

Posted by: progressive at June 30, 2007 1:30 PM

@progressive: Forgotten about the Beirut Marines Barracks bombing already? The slaughtered Israeli Olympic athletes? The failed genocidal war waged by Egypt and her allies against Israel in 1967? The first attack on the Trade Towers? September 11, 2001?

You make me puke.

Posted by: Foehammer at June 30, 2007 1:37 PM

progressive: "This a direct result of the the Iraq war. Bush has made the world more dangerous with his miscalculations and now we have to deal with the Iraq war veterans going back home with their expertise acquired fighting the crusaders in Iraq."

Wrong again. Yours should read instead:

"This a direct result of the the '911 al Qaeda' war. 'Islam' has made the world more dangerous with 'their' miscalculations and now we have to deal with the Iraq war 'jihadis' going back home (to Porkystan et al) with their expertise acquired fighting the 'free people' in Iraq."

So you see, your takkiya is useless here, so transparently false. Give it another go, 'progresive', and see if you can eventually get it right. If you still misunderstand, I'll take your post above as clear admission the two bombing attempts in London, and one in Glasgow, as clear admission it was the work of Islamists. They're bungling fools, hatefilled idiots.

Posted by: Battle_of_Tours at June 30, 2007 1:39 PM

I had other "progressives" slamming me on their site and my own last night, creatures coming up from the depths of their cesspools and slinging sh** as fast as they could. The keyword of choice for these "progressives" is to label any of us that attempt to warn the world of this real threat from Islam as cowards, warmongers and alarmists.

The truth of it all is so obviously opposite. The "progressives" in the West are so close to outright treason that when the truth finally does manifest in the form of more 9-11's and it's no longer possible to deny reality, these raving, loathsome scum will be very lucky to not be lined up and sent to prison. I will in fact, not be at all surprised to find direct ties between the most Radical Left in the United States and future Islamist groups and attacks. Anarchy seems to be the future of choice for "progressive". So quit hiding your real ideas. Tell us your Marxist garbage and get it out of your system. Come clean. At least then I might have some respect for honest enemies, but these cowards that skulk in the shadows and sling stones when it suits them are beneath the mud on the bottom of my shoes.

Posted by: Foehammer at June 30, 2007 1:49 PM

The world was made more dangerous when they allowed floods of Muslims into a democracy. Before Iraq there was protests and hate for our way of life and freedoms and it was a matter of time that the mixture would result in an explosive act in western society and where the globalise world meet the two ideology systems can not obviously mix. Muslims cannot mix in democracy as democracy cannot mix with Islam then its either going to break apart or separate at some point so we create Babylon a confusion, which is so called Iraq.

Its their fault yes for allowing the non converted to democracy in, which caused terrorist cells to hit the nations that do their political arguments abroad. If America gets in trouble with Mexico for example politically you know the Mexican immigrants may retaliate, maybe not so much with religious backing and suicides but with social unrest to the American people.

Posted by: jesusisthelamb at June 30, 2007 1:49 PM

No one reading Jihad Watch should be surprised that no Western government or broad social group (political party) has yet come out in plain language against the Islamic drive for hegemony. They still have not got away completely from the "Asian suspects" euphemism in terrorism cases, for starters. It is not only a matter of utter cluelessness on their part about the subversive nature of more than a few activist Muslims in the West. It is also the fact that to date we have suffered only widely scattered attacks-- shrewdly scattered just widely enough-- and these have served mainly to galvanize the likes of posters here, not the general population. Since our politicians ostensibly represent the general population and in fact do respond to their input when it is loud and sharp, it stands to reason that they continue to appear dhimmified because that public input has been so far very meek and daily events do not constitute an Islamist threat in their eyes.

At the social level, among the younger demographic in the West, the liberal/Leftist mindset currently prevails and its philosophy is antithetical to identifying and summoning the will to defeat any "foreign" enemy. PMK sums it up well, above, at 6:38. This the Islamists will use and are using to divide and conquer, among other tactics.

To recognize and act with firm conviction against the Islamic threat this leaves only two groups of any significant size: followers of other religions and a very heterogeneous mix of
independent-minded folks who are not bound by politcal correctness or other New Age nonsense.

Among the politicians and military strategists we must assume, for sanity's sake, that there are a few who at least entertain the possibility that our worst fears are well-founded. It is most likely that in the near term (10-15 years or sooner) there will be ample evidence that lets eveyone know that the violent quest for the caliphate and its associated saturnalia is a very real phenomenon. Then those who are more aware (and will have been aware for some time) can join ranks at all levels and the recalcitrant, bone-headed Left will be squeezed in the middle or shoved aside.

Posted by: lycaste at June 30, 2007 1:55 PM

no progressive, i personally think daffy duck, confucious, & the mayans were behind this attack...oh, and aliens.

Posted by: Miss_Anthrope at June 30, 2007 1:55 PM

Islam = organized crime group (not a religion)

Muhammad = organized crime boss (not a prophet)

Qur'an = organized crime manual (not a holy book)

allah =

(I left that part BLANK for a reason)

Posted by: champ at June 30, 2007 2:06 PM

Wishbone

Crusader-
I may be wrong, but what you seem to be saying is that we are being targeted because we're sinners who need to bring ourselves back to the path?

Secondly, I do know that the decline of the Judeo-Christian morality in England (and europe in general) has everything to do with the raise of terrorrism, and the raise of Muslim inhabitants.
I don't know if you are a Christian or not, but if you are, if you read he Tanakh ("Old Testament") you'll see what happened when God's Chosen Nation, the sons of Israel, abandoned the Law of God: God let them have their way, and disaster soon followed.

God hasn't changed.

In conclusion, I know that what is happening (and will only get worse) in Europe is directly related to the loss of our Judeo-Christian morality.

So basically, that is what I wanted to say in the above post.

Posted by: Crusader at June 30, 2007 3:16 PM

progressive you need to get Robert's books on islam and get a proper education. the world was made a dangerous place 1,400 years ago when muhammud created islam out of a dank dark cave where this illerate spoke with some demon called allah.
The Christians and Jews share much, and still place the "Ten Commandmnents" as their centerpiece for civilized people. your muhummad made a deal with the devil so this pediphile scam artist who stole and killed for plunder put himself up as a leader of islam. now those muslims are driven mad when they become pious and practice their death cult.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at June 30, 2007 4:31 PM

Lets please stop all the negativity about the very few...millions.. or so jihadis. Lets start listing some of the..I'm certain positive things that islam has brought us..such as..and then there is..uh somebody else go with the maybe #1 thing...you know like positive thing...
#1.

Posted by: pismopal at June 30, 2007 4:57 PM

Josephine - I think you should put your money where your mouth is and go live in an Islamic country.

How does the Yemen sound? Make sure to bring your black sheet or the male Muslims will throw acid on you, you imbecile.

Good Luck!

Posted by: darcy at June 30, 2007 5:09 PM

Oh, I forgot, the male Muslims, are, er, human.

Uh huh, evil humans. Just like Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Saddam, etc etc...

Why don't you go and join those, er, humans, Josephine???

Posted by: darcy at June 30, 2007 5:13 PM

Muslims are human beings, not vermin.

What about NAZIs? Are they vermin? How about "White Supremists?" Are they vermin in your mind? How about individuals that wilfully murder little children? Are they vermin?

I submit to you that they all are vermin; and muslims are merely practicioners of the same evils couched in different terms.

Are muslims human? Yes.

Are muslims vermin? Literally, no.

Are muslims devils? I believe they them to be so, as do many people who have had the misfortune of being under their power once.

Posted by: witness at June 30, 2007 5:19 PM

Today I say Rejoice by God, for the Muslims F*cked up yet again!

Posted by: Timur at June 30, 2007 5:25 PM

Josephine,

Please explain to me the difference between a muslim and islam.

Posted by: mrockroll1969 at June 30, 2007 7:07 PM

"I object to your suggestion that people who write something that makes you uncomfortable deserve to be censored."

PMK -- Please re-read my posts. I made an effort to explain that I was not suggesting that you or anyone else on this thread be censored just because I disagree.

witness -- In democratic countries, we have laws to protect the human rights of even the worst criminal.

"You and I (and most posters) can agree to disagree."

That's right, PMK, and that's what I was doing: expressing my opinion and disagreeing.

Posted by: Josephine at June 30, 2007 9:08 PM

Where Islam go terror will follow

Posted by: hemoglobin at June 30, 2007 9:59 PM

witness -- In democratic countries, we have laws to protect the human rights of even the worst criminal.

Some criminals are dangerous to the point that they MUST be neutralized. To "protect their human rights" at the expense of the rights of others is to partake in their criminal acts.

In that case, the self-appointed protectors of these criminals are no better than the criminals themselves and are every bit as evil and dangerous to a civilized and law abiding citizenry.

Posted by: witness at June 30, 2007 10:42 PM

josephine -- "Muslims are human beings, not vermin.

my cat can sing "Muskrat Love" in falsetto whilst rolling a fattie

snap out of it

Posted by: Crunchy Jello at June 30, 2007 11:43 PM

infestation

cancer

termites

wildfire

rust

cancer

plague

islam

oops

Posted by: Crunchy Jello at June 30, 2007 11:50 PM

arjun sevak said:

In 1400 years, there were few people who understood how islam can be eradicated, who understood what was necessary if their culture, their people, their infidel ways of life were to continue. The choice we infidels have is binary. It was binary since muhammad made it so.

arjun

What a fascinating comment. Your description of our choice as being "binary" interests me; can you explain more? Do you mean our choices as infidels are limited to just 2? Please expand on your description.

Posted by: corax at July 1, 2007 2:18 AM

corax,
Please go through this site.

http://www.historyofjihad.org

In all the 1400 years of jihad, islam offered us Infidels 2 choices, submit (convert) or die. In 1400 years, throughout the ME, Asia, Europe and Africa, Infidels resisted. Yet today islam controls nearly all of the middle east, parts of Asia and Europe. In all of 1400 years, Infidels fought and won the invading islamic armies on not one, but numerous occasions. Yet today we are in a mess. Major parts of Asia, Africa and Europe are threatened and the first islamic country coming up is Kosovo. There are several in line.

As for expanding on my description, the solution is binary. Two choices. Only two.

P.S. That is all that I can write without being deleted. I wrote a post that mentioned the Sikhs and my Serbian Hero (mentioning him is a surefire way of getting deleted) last week and it was removed.

Posted by: arjun.sevak at July 1, 2007 5:30 AM

People are just saying "Oh, just another Islamic bomb attack". Never mind, who's for pizza?

And politicians, like London mayor Ken Livingstone, are telling people not to blame everyday Muslims. Why? Has it nothing to do with Islam?

Posted by: Stefcho at July 1, 2007 6:04 AM

Stefcho, I cannot comprehend the mindset of the people you refer to in your comment.

Posted by: darcy at July 1, 2007 9:09 AM

josephine -- "Muslims are human beings, not vermin

Oh, by the way, I find it ironic that you are concerned if muslims are perceived as vermin. Perhaps you don't realize that the perceive you as sub-human according to the quaran and hadith unless of course you are muslim yourself.

In their view, murdering you or your children is indeed a moral question, since they are commanded in Sura 9 to kill non-muslims.

Before you accuse me of "hate speech," remember one thing -- I did not write the quaran and the commandment came from allah through mohammad according to the text.

If you thing the command as spelled out in the quaran is "hateful" by any other moral standard of decency -- I will agree with you on that specific point; if you call it nothing more than "tough love" you and I are enemies according to islam.

Posted by: witness at July 1, 2007 9:41 AM

josephine -- "Muslims are human beings, not vermin

Oh, by the way, I find it ironic that you are concerned if muslims are perceived as vermin.

Perhaps you don't realize that they perceive you as sub-human according to the quaran and hadith unless of course you are muslim yourself.

In their view, murdering you or your children is indeed a moral question, since they are commanded in Sura 9 to kill non-muslims.

Before you accuse me of "hate speech," remember one thing -- I did not write the quaran and the commandment came from allah through mohammad according to the text.

If you thing the command as spelled out in the quaran is "hateful" by any other moral standard of decency -- I will agree with you on that specific point; if you call it nothing more than "tough love" you and I are enemies according to islam.

Posted by: witness at July 1, 2007 9:42 AM

sorry about the double post.

Posted by: witness at July 1, 2007 9:43 AM

witness -- If you re-read my posts on this thread, you will see that I wrote that I am against Islam. I hold no romantic views of Islam and I do not believe that violence or criminal acts are ever justified.

I am not a Muslim, I am a Christian, and I am aware of what the Koran and hadith have to say about me, and of the violence being committed against Christians in Muslim countries, thanks to this site and others. I am also a Zionist.

By your logic, Black folks were justified in believing in the Nation of Islam because of the way they were perceived and portrayed by White society.

"Two wrongs don't make a right."

Posted by: Josephine at July 1, 2007 11:13 AM

Josephine,
In all of the years of jihad-conquest, there were people like you, decent, gentle, good people who wanted to treat the enemy (you-know-who) decently. It never worked and it never will work. Goob said -

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/017178.php#c415189

And PMK said -

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/017178.php#c415196

I don't think that a man who has been sawing off the heads of goats/sheep/cows/camels since he was 4 years old to please his allah and whose sole holy book commands him to treat those who do not as "pigs", "apes" and "monkeys" is human. He might have been born a Homo Sapien, but he is not a human being, he is a zombie who threatens me and mine. I said -

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/017178.php#c415176

When people realize what needs to be done if Civilization has to survive, we need you gentle people to remain silent. It is the only way we can survive, not win, just survive.

Posted by: arjun.sevak at July 1, 2007 11:37 AM

"...we need you gentle people to remain silent..."

arjun.sevak --

I was objecting to lumping all Muslims into a category that might easily be defined as vermin. I was not discussing appropriate punishments for criminal acts.

I wasn't stating how I want the enemy to be treated: as far as I'm concerned, it's a matter for the laws of democratic countries. Even Saddam Hussein was tried in a court of law. Just because some countries have descended into various degrees of lawlessness (or follow Sharia law), doesn't automatically mean that the rest of the world has.

If you can state your opinion under the banner of free speech, then I can do the same. Telling me to "remain silent", as you did, or calling me names, as others have done, is the same as telling me to shut up. I find that interesting, coming from proponents of free speech.

Posted by: Josephine at July 1, 2007 12:09 PM

Josephine,
I did not say that you should remain silent. I said -

"When people realize what needs to be done if Civilization has to survive, we need you gentle people to remain silent. It is the only way we can survive, not win, just survive"

The keyword here is WHEN.

I did not mean to offend.

Posted by: arjun.sevak at July 1, 2007 12:20 PM

arjun.sevak -- I wasn't offended.

Posted by: Josephine at July 1, 2007 12:24 PM

I completely back up Josephine on this one. It wasn't only the nazis who used that kind of speech. Before the Hutus slaughtered the Tutsis in Rwanda, they were referring to them as "cockroaches" on the radio. How can anyone possibly justify that kind of language?
Personally, I thought the purpose of this site was to be an unflinching lens onto the truth about Islam. I would sincerely hope that the point about doing that would be to encourage all well meaning people who actually abhor violence but also have no illusions about Islam - to put their heads together and come up with very practical, mostly non-violent solutions to this problem. Even those solutions seem so radical to the prevailing PC mindset (such as stopping Muslim immigration to the west, or deporting radical imams, or putting jihadis before military tribunals and then executing them, or trying to prosecute Muslims under RICO statutes, or removing Islam from 1st amendment protections etc etc). All of these ideas are pretty darned radical given the prevailing PC climate. But I assume that the average poster here is willing to consider those sorts of options precisely BECAUSE they understand the real danger and implications of islamization of the west and yet ALSO know that the average idiot who is in denial about all this now, is precisely the kind of unthinking person who tomorrow might radically shift and start calling Muslims vermin and cockroaches and start indicriminately killing people.

In other words, while we might seem like the "extremists" now, in reality I think we are moderates who actually see the reality, and also understand human nature as a whole and are actually trying to head things off by trying to come up with all kinds of fundamentally non-violent solutions to this horrible dilemma so as to precisely forestall the all too predictable carnage that is likely to eventually follow if most everyone else persists in their denial. I don't trust people who are in denial. They aren't rational people. Their irrational denial today could easily flip into irrational violence tomorrow. I trust people who aren't in denial and are willing to see and confront something that is enormously complex and problematic. Where calling Muslims "vermin" fits in there, I don't get. It isn't at all helpful and it makes me as uncomfortable as it makes Josephine.

Posted by: Caroline at July 1, 2007 2:34 PM

Well said, Caroline.

Posted by: Josephine at July 1, 2007 2:52 PM

Josephine - let me also make clear that I understand where arjun is coming from. I have read several accounts from Hindus in India who have been subjected to so much violence by Muslims that they have come to learn from experience that it is only by overwhelming violence in retaliation for Muslim atrocities against Hindus - that they can hold off further Muslim atrocities against Hindus. I think that is certainly where arjun is coming from in his comments. I can understand that. They are far ahead of us on that score and yet despite that fact, I don't recall ever seeing arjun refer to Muslims as "vermin" or "cockroaches". So I don't discount the reality of what arjun is conveying about how one, when pushed into the corner, may be forced to deal with Muslims in reality for one's survival - yet I still don't see that frank and realistic admission as on the same level as westerners, who have never actually remotely confronted anything like what Hindus have confronted, but who nonetheless call Muslims "vermin" and "cockroaches".

I'm not going to say that I don't understand the kind of rhetoric that comes out here in sheer anger and frustration - rhetoric that I've been guilty of myself - but at the same time, I'm never going to condemn and in fact would definitely welcome the kinds of statements that you made to simply remind us all not to lose sight of ourselves and our humanity. I appreciate that you stuck quietly but adamantly to your guns in that respect. How could anyone here possibly object to such a quiet and principled reminder simply to do our best not to lose our humanity while we try to fight this thing?

Posted by: Caroline at July 1, 2007 4:09 PM

"...to do our best not to lose our humanity while we try to fight this thing..."

Thank you, Caroline. Yes, that is what I meant.

Posted by: Josephine at July 1, 2007 6:06 PM

Yeah Josephine - I know. :-)

Posted by: Caroline at July 1, 2007 6:41 PM

Caroline,
I like cockroaches. I said so last year.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/011326.php#c211997

Peace. :)

Posted by: arjun.sevak at July 2, 2007 12:38 AM

arjun.sevak

Thanks for your explanation. I have looked at the historyofjihad site and will study it further. I'm reading on this topic also; just finishing "Future Jihad" by Walid Phares. The inexorable nature of the fatah process comes thru clearly in that book.

For now I will assume the "binary" choice translates roughly to "kill or be killed."

Your comments (currently unavailable) about the Sikhs and the Serbian person: [wondering.why]

Posted by: corax at July 2, 2007 12:47 PM