Jihad Watch: July 4: What are we fighting for

July 4, 2007

July 4: What are we fighting for

1. Equality of rights before the law:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." — Declaration of Independence

"Thus if [a] Muslim commits adultery his punishment is 100 lashes, the shaving of his head, and one year of banishment. But if the man is not a Muslim and commits adultery with a Muslim woman his penalty is execution...Similarly if a Muslim deliberately murders another Muslim he falls under the law of retaliation and must by law be put to death by the next of kin. But if a non-Muslim who dies at the hand of a Muslim has by lifelong habit been a non-Muslim, the penalty of death is not valid. Instead the Muslim murderer must pay a fine and be punished with the lash....Since Islam regards non-Muslims as on a lower level of belief and conviction, if a Muslim kills a non-Muslim…then his punishment must not be the retaliatory death, since the faith and conviction he possesses is loftier than that of the man slain...Again, the penalties of a non-Muslim guilty of fornication with a Muslim woman are augmented because, in addition to the crime against morality, social duty and religion, he has committed sacrilege, in that he has disgraced a Muslim and thereby cast scorn upon the Muslims in general, and so must be executed....Islam and its peoples must be above the infidels, and never permit non-Muslims to acquire lordship over them." — Sultanhussein Tabandeh, A Muslim Commentary on the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, F. J. Goulding, translator, London, 1970.

2. Governments deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed:

"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed..." — Declaration of Independence

Non-Muslims have "absolutely no right to seize the reins of power in any part of God’s earth nor to direct the collective affairs of human beings according to their own misconceived doctrines." If they do, "the believers would be under an obligation to do their utmost to dislodge them from political power and to make them live in subservience to the Islamic way of life." — Syed Abul Ala Maududi, founder of the Pakistani political party Jamaat-e-Islami

Posted by Robert at July 4, 2007 8:46 AM
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Happy Independence Day to all American posters on this site, from one of your friendly neighbours to the north.

The United States has always been a beacon of freedom to the oppressed, and the ideals upon which your country was created are among the loftiest aspirations of humankind. As a great American patriot once said, Live free or die. This may never have been truer than today, with all the threats facing the free world.

Have a wonderful holiday !

Posted by: ImNoDhimmi

at July 4, 2007 8:23 AM

To All The American Posters Of JW/DW As Well As The Staff:

A very happy July 4th and God Bless America and the members of the JW/DW. Happy Birthday America!

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106

at July 4, 2007 8:30 AM

Shows quite clearly that Islam will always be at loggerheads with our Western values.

Posted by: GetBornAgain

at July 4, 2007 8:34 AM

Happy Independence Day!
The wellbeing of the world is now depends on the USA. The condition is grave.

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We are just a war away from Amerikhastan! © Megadeth

Posted by: Hell Awaits

at July 4, 2007 8:46 AM

Concerning the Koran, did you know that "if every statement or story that is repeated in the Koran were given only once (like in The Bible), the entire Koran would slim down to approximately 40% of its published length." !!!!

That quotation is from a book I'm reading right now. Because Muhammed couldn't read, he only knew a few Old Testament and New Testament stories, names and events from hearing Jews talk in the streets of Medina (right, Mr. Spencer?) As a result, he was reduced to REPEATING these same stories over and over again for BULK in the Koran!

For example, one of his favorite space-filling stories is Moses and the pharaoh. In the Koran's first 89 chapters, Muhammed tells and re-tells this story 27 times! That's a re-telling every 3.3 chapters! Repetitions rule in the Koran because Muhammed, being illiterate, had only a limited amount of information!

Is that a hoot? LOL! The Koran is the biggest fraud ever written. And that's the guidebook these people follow. No wonder they are so screwed up.

Posted by: darcy

at July 4, 2007 8:49 AM

Re: Equality of rights before the law:

The sneering supremacist delusions systemic in Islam were and are at their core the engine of Arab Imperialism. The Ottomans were also Imperialists destroying "indigenous cultures", "indigenous peoples".

It is true that history is the story of Imperialism, a record of the subduing, the conquest, the removal and often the actual extermination of "indigenous cultures", "indigenous peoples". The Aztecs, the Arabs, the British, the Manchu, Chinese, Japanese, Spaniard, etc. have all engaged in this all too human behavior.

However, the Arabs, the Ottomans and Muslims in general never apologize for the crimes they commit and have comitted in history. From North Africa to Spain, to India, to the Sudan, to invasions of Europe, Muslims have engaged in mass murder, exploitation of unbelievers (Arab Muslims were deeply involved in the slave trade), and the record of crimes in the name of this belief-system cry to heaven for vengeance.

All supremacist-pigs (every group has engaged in these crimes) rewrite history to sanitize their crimes and rationalize them by explaining how good it was for the victims. I suppose even the Nazis would have done this eventually. This is the pattern of all history. However, Muslims (especially the Arabs) still engage in these rationalizations for Imperialism.

Again, only Muslims (especially the Arabs and Ottomans) never apologize for their crimes. Why? Because they still hold the delusion of their supremacism and still require that all bow to Mecca. Probably only the very ruthless use of force and devastating destruction (as Sherman did in the Slave states) will finally rip to shreds the engine of Arab Imperialism.

Posted by: Frank

at July 4, 2007 8:54 AM

Ban JW from GOv puters thats what we are fighting for.

Posted by: KAOSKTRL

at July 4, 2007 8:57 AM

Frank, concerning the 1st and 2nd sentences of your last paragraph, ex-Muslim, now Christian, Writer Nonie Darwish has said:

"Arab means never having to say you're sorry."

Uh huh, has everything to do with Muhammed telling the Arabs that they were the "superior peoples" and everybody else, if they don't convert, should be killed.

Posted by: darcy

at July 4, 2007 9:06 AM

Happy Independence Day to all you guys and gals in the US of A from Downunder!

May you celebrate MANY, MANY MANY, more in peace and happiness :)

Posted by: Gramfan

at July 4, 2007 9:20 AM

I thank God today that my parents came to America from India, and I was born in America and not anywhere else. I'm thankful I can practice my faith freely. I'm thankful that I as a young woman can easily live the way I want to and do quite well. I'm thankful for the free speech afforded by the Bill of Rights. I hope all Christians, Jews, Hindus, and even Muslims are thankful today. Too often Americans take their freedom for granted. We don't realize too often how good we have it here. We forget that to whom much is given, much is expected. I'm thankful that I finally saw the light and stopped drinking the 9/11 inside job kool aid and realized who we are really fighting. And we as Americans should fight these bastards tooth and nail. If the Arab world is yoked under these bastards who want their khilafa, we will fall as well.

Posted by: wrathofasma

at July 4, 2007 9:20 AM

Political objectives of Al Qaiyda (pre Afghanistan and Iraq)

1)Removal of American military bases from Muslim Lands( would you guys want saudi army in your country?)
2) end of American support for despot Arab dictators
3) End of American support for Israel and Israeli state terror

9/11 was supposed to achieve these political objectives through shear shock and awa, similar, although on a lesser scale, to the nuclear holocaust inflicted on Japan, which made Japan exit the war. The objectives were to be realised through either US politicians deciding it just wasnt worth it, or the american public asking why and upon finding out demanding that these colonistic policies be aborted. However General Osama didnt anticipate the cunning and grandios nature of Neo-con politicians and the general stupidity and gullibility of the mainstream American public, and the ability of the media to distort the truth, thus deceiving the public into WHY 9/11 happened. So 6 years people believe that 9/11 happened for irational and intagible reason "they hate our freedoms" and most Americans are ignorant to the countless military bases stationed on Muslim land b4 9/11, the 10 years of sanctions on Iraq which killed 500000 children( thats what i call a pre-emptive strike) who would now be young adults aged 18-26, people believe that Arabs WANT to wipe Israel off the map, while a quick look at maps of 1900, 1950, 2005 will show that the the only thing BEING wiped off the map is Palestine. So for these reasons 9/11 failed credit to the neo cons for showing their lact of respect for the world and their own citizens by spinning 9/11 to suit their own cause.

Posted by: olga Bor

at July 4, 2007 9:23 AM

Happy Independence day USA. Many thousands more to come..

Posted by: payingattention

at July 4, 2007 9:26 AM

darcy-

It's true. They still hhold on to the supremacist delusions.

Darcy, the danger America faces is our current Imperial power status that results from the fact that after WW2 we had to go from being an isolationist Republic to "the arsenal of Democracy" against Nazi and Japanese Imperialism and then we had to engage in a long "cold war" to contain and finally to defeat the Soviet Empire.

Henry Kissinger once noted that in International affairs either one nation dominates, there is a balance of power or else there will be International chaos. The period after the cold war has been one of American dominance. But this kind of dominance requires an Imperial use of world-wide police power. This condition is a danger to our Republican form of government.

I am not calling for a return to isolationism (the US was blamed for WW2 by some because we refused to use our power overseas) but I do believe we must foster regional use of International police power. How can that be done? (forget about the UN-it's a farce). The answer does not come easy. However, somehow we must disengage in our now required police power. Americans don't want this. We want to keep our Sovereign Republic, our constitution, a government of laws and not of men, our "democratic" society where public opinion matters via the free and open exchange of ideas and opinions.

The great need now (in my opinion) is a very creative withdrawal from our world police role and the encouragement of regional police powers (Russia, China, Europe, Japan). Somehow, we have to reject our imperial role and at the same time help set up regional systems of power that make sure the world does not descend into chaos.

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This is a great Republic. We must guard the Republic. That way we honor America. God bless America.

Posted by: Frank

at July 4, 2007 9:38 AM

Wow. Excellent points.

Happy July 4th. God Bless America.

Posted by: Josephine

at July 4, 2007 9:44 AM

Happy Independence Day to all JW posters and staff!

And thank you to those of you from elsewhere who are wishing us luck, and who recognize what our precious heritage is founded upon. I wish you well, too, in the tough times to come.

Posted by: Vee

at July 4, 2007 9:49 AM

I do not claim to be an expert in International politics. But it appears to me that the key to a more regional and international police power requires a band of democratic nations across Europe, Russia to Japan and then south to China. The key here is Russia. Will Russia become a democratic society where public opinion matters-or will she again go on an Imperial road? There is a great deal at stake with the future of Russia-or so it appears to me.

Somehow we must foster the development of regional police powers so that the world does not descend into chaos. We cannot continue our current Imperial role. The Republic is in danger if we do that.

Posted by: Frank

at July 4, 2007 9:52 AM

Not really a comment, but it goes with the thread.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P93WjP8m3GM&NR=1

Posted by: Leave Iraq Now

at July 4, 2007 9:57 AM

Every last Saudi funded mosque in the West must be legislated out of existence.

A clear and present danger.

And we must neutralize all jihadis.

Bless the West.

Posted by: dgene

at July 4, 2007 9:57 AM

What I find most amusing, is how the US government, the world's no.1 superpower, can't understand the Islamic threat, for what it is.

Explain that to me, someone..

Posted by: Rogster

at July 4, 2007 10:06 AM

olga bor, last surviving nazi from WWII.......

Posted by: ImNoDhimmi

at July 4, 2007 10:08 AM

Let the 4th of July be the independence day from the hegemony of the USA around the world.
Ex-lover of jesus and no lover of Judeo-Nazis.

Posted by: progressive

at July 4, 2007 10:10 AM

"Political objectives of Al Qaiyda (pre Afghanistan and Iraq)

"1) Removal of American military bases from Muslim Lands( would you guys want saudi army in your country?)
"2) end of American support for despot Arab dictators
"3) End of American support for Israel and Israeli state terror"

So sayeth olga Bor.

Okay. Fine.

Suppose I put forward my political objectives and maybe we can find some common ground?

*1) We have mosques, Islamic schools and all manner of Islamist groups here in the UK. This is a 'Christian' land. These institutions are breeding-grounds for Islamic supremacism and terrorism, and they are here in my country. I don't want them here and they must be removed. Until then I believe I am fully entitled to go to any city in any 'Muslim' land and inflict appalling carnage there.

2) I would like to see an end to Muslims support for despotic and extreme Islamic and Islamist regimes and supremacist groups (Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah and all the Jama'ats) all around the world.

3) I would like to see an end to Muslims' support for jihadist groups committed to Islamic supremacism. I would like to see an end to their appalling anti-semitism and an acknowledgment that all men and women, believers and non-believers, are equals and that the life of every man, woman and child is sacrosanct; an acceptance of freedom of speech and conscience, including an individual's right to leave his religion.

And so on.

*I do not belief in 1) but I simply include this for indicative purposes. My 1) is simply a mirror-image of your posting.

Posted by: A Nonny Nonny

at July 4, 2007 10:19 AM

On this July 4th, what it means to me:
We must never rest in protecting our freedom. Here we are, 60 years after World War II, a terrible war in which we thought, incorrectly, that fascism had been defeated. When we look at Islamofascism, we realize that humans will always be corrupted by the will to dominate others, and they will cloak that desire in whatever political or religious rationale they can. We also must realize that fascism is not necessarily a racist creed, but takes many forms, including that of religious supremacism.
My thanks to JW for helping in our fight for freedom.

Posted by: jewdog

at July 4, 2007 10:36 AM

A Nonny Nonny-

With regard to the Mideast and this regressive Sharia nonsense, I think Hugh is right that the world must become free of any need for oil from the region. The Sharia nut house can be easily isolated by the rest of the world and the Mideast will also become much less dangerous to Israel under such circumstances. Israel will take care of business if her enemies there are broke and isolated and launch an attack against her.

The key in this region is becoming free of all oil needs, all energy needs. Islam is at its core the engine of Arab Imperialism and to be free of the gang that wants to impose Sharia law we must say bye-bye to the family run gas stations there.

Posted by: Frank

at July 4, 2007 10:36 AM

jewdog-

Ditto. JW is very important. It's a school for people who want to be free and continue to live in a democratic society. Very important.

Posted by: Frank

at July 4, 2007 10:43 AM

From Melanie Phillips

Chamberlain's heirs

I had assumed that Sayeeda Warsi, newly appointed by David Cameron as the Tories; shadow minister for Community Cohesion, was a Muslim committed to fighting rather than appeasing Islamist extremism. There was surely no way that, in todays circumstances, Cameron could have appointed someone who was not. However shallow and opportunistic his repositioning strategy might be, he would surely be extremely careful to appoint someone who was absolutely beyond reproach as unequivocally opposed to both terrorism and extremism. How wrong can you be. The website conservative.home has just posted up a jaw-dropping revelation of Ms Warsi views.
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We now have a Labour government which is censoring all references to Muslims and Islam when talking about al Qaeda, and a Tory opposition which appears to believe that community cohesion means declining to suggest to British Muslims that they should weed out the extremists in their midst.

http://www.melaniephillips.com/diary/

READ IT ALL. MUST READ.

These are not Chamberlain's heirs. I think Chamberlain gets too bad a press. Chamberlain was a decent and upright man. Knowing the horrors of WW1, he had to give Hitler a chance. Yet when Poland was attacked, he gave Germany a 24 hr ultimatum. When it expired, he immediately declared war and then honourably resigned. What the present lot of politicians in the UK are doing, is beyond comprehension. Or should I say,"inconceivable".

Posted by: DP111

at July 4, 2007 10:56 AM

Did you see that crappy message from "progressive" the backward Muslim Nazi?

Hey Progressive - We LOVE Jesus and We Love Jews!
And, Jews are not Nazis, thank you, but YOU ARE!

Yahoo for civilized USA Hegemony on July 4th and Everyday!

Posted by: darcy

at July 4, 2007 10:57 AM

olgaBor posted:

"Political objectives of Al Qaiyda (pre Afghanistan and Iraq)

1.) Why can't America form an alliance with a "Muslim land?"

2.) Why are these despots considered despots by Al-Qaeda? For actual despotic things they've done? No. It's because they aren't "Muslim enough" Would an Al-Qaeda regime be less despotic?

3.) Why can't America form an alliance with Israel? Why can't Israel be there? Why is their self-defense called "state terror?"

Posted by: freedomschool

at July 4, 2007 10:57 AM

Please don't feed trolls! Trolls become dangerous when exposed to or fed by humans. Do not approach any troll if you come upon one in the wild...remember, they look cute but they are not pets.
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Happy 4th to all.....G-d Bless America!

Posted by: pismopal

at July 4, 2007 11:06 AM

The "present lot of politicians in the UK" are brain-dead. Their neurons have stopped firing.

That's my biological explanation, DP111.

Posted by: darcy

at July 4, 2007 11:07 AM

Oh all right... Happy 4th, from Britain.

Sincerely.

Posted by: DP111

at July 4, 2007 11:09 AM

To all of those Jihadists out there with wet dreams of imposing Sharia law in the West, you might want to open a history book.

We've defeated smarter enemies

We've defeated more technologically advanced nations

We've defeated more disciplined armies

We've defeated nations convinced that the West was soft and/or immoral

We've defeated enemies convinced that we didn't have the will to fight

You Jihadists are nothing but a bunch of thugs---street punks with delusions of grandeur. At least gang members in LA wear their colors open, instead of hiding in places like London hospitals.

THESE COLORS WILL NEVER RUN---THESE COLORS HAVE NEVER BEEN DEFEATED.

Give us a call when your society actually manages to create something outside the category of S&M. Otherwise, prepare to meet your 72 virgins who all look and sound like Rosie O'Donnell.

God Bless America!

Posted by: JSobieski

at July 4, 2007 11:14 AM

To all of those Jihadists out there with wet dreams of imposing Sharia law in the West, you might want to open a history book.

We've defeated smarter enemies

We've defeated more technologically advanced nations

We've defeated more disciplined armies

We've defeated nations convinced that the West was soft and/or immoral

We've defeated enemies convinced that we didn't have the will to fight

You Jihadists are nothing but a bunch of thugs---street punks with delusions of grandeur. At least gang members in LA wear their colors open, instead of hiding in places like London hospitals.

THESE COLORS WILL NEVER RUN---THESE COLORS HAVE NEVER BEEN DEFEATED.

Give us a call when your society actually manages to create something outside the category of S&M. Otherwise, prepare to meet your 72 virgins who all look and sound like Rosie O'Donnell.

God Bless America!

Posted by: JSobieski

at July 4, 2007 11:15 AM

darcy

There is some fear that is driving the politicos in the Western world, which is'nt apparant to us. What it is, I have no idea.

I hope it is not just the Muslim vote- which BTW is marginal, and only becomes important in marginal constituencies.

Could it be that they have pushed the multiculti/diversity agenda for so long, and are so tied to it mentally and politically, that any U-turn from that, would expose them to the charge that they have been criminally/treasonously negligent of the security, and even existence of the nation as a culturally Western state.

Posted by: DP111

at July 4, 2007 11:17 AM

Happy 4th of July everyone.
We'll have steaks on the grill,
little kids playing,
music playing,
fireworks tonight.

You "progressive" sorts want to end all that. "There is no fun in islam" - Khomeini
Go back to your sandtrap.

Posted by: interestinconundrum

at July 4, 2007 11:18 AM

Re: Olgabor (any relation to Zsa Zsa?)
We do have the Saudi "army" in our country, in the form of money influence and mosque. As for comparing 9/11 to Hiroshima, the correct analogy would be Pearl Harbor and you should ponder the end result of that sneak attack.

You can bleat all you want about 9/11 being "punishment" whose goal was to keep America out of "Muslim lands" (ah, but people here understand how "Muslim lands" became Muslim lands) but the truth is the US is targeted because it is the lead Infidel power in the world (therefore the center of "evil" and "oppression" to the Muslim world, and everything the US has done for Muslims is simply erased from memory or attributed to a sinister conspiracy i.e. I help you because I hate you) and it is seen as the chief obstacle to the future dominance of Islam in the 21st Century. Shall we quote the 2002 "New World Order as Written by Usama bin Ladin" published by the official al Qa'idah site CISR?

"We noticed that the international planning center for burying every Jihadi liberating project in the Islamic nation could be found in the United States, the center of evil. (*note the demonizing of the enemy)

"No project for the liberation of the Islamic nation from Western dominance could succeed as long as the United States was there (*there, as in existing at all)...this was the origin of the globalization of the war against the United States...Al Qa'idah decided to provoke the United States with operations (that) pushed Clinton to declare us the first enemy of the United States
(Nairobi & Dar as Salam). The next phase is to defeat the Arab governments ("The United States itself will remove the legitimacy of the cartoon states") Third, isolation of the American administration from its own citizens and from its allies. The fourth & final stage "to purify the world from American power...by destroying the United States and defeating it on its soil."
(*rather beyond the limited goals you stated isn't it?)

"Defeating the United States means the defeat of the West, which would lead to the shift of the international center of gravity back to the Islamic world...we act for the day in which we wake up and there is no America."

And there you have it. Couldn't be stated more plainly and couldn't be more "cunning and grandois."

Posted by: Nick Danger

at July 4, 2007 11:18 AM

But these are just "moms and dads" [George W. Bush's formulation] looking to establish a folksy old theocratic tyranny over immoral humanity.

What could be wrong with that?

The Constitution and Bill of Rights might have to go, but the rewards (having your hands cut off, stoning adulturers, hanging girls from construction cranes, honors killings, public beheadings, et al) surely outweigh a few pieces of infidel paper?

Well, may not.

Happy Independence Day to All!

Our mission is against Submission.

Liberty trumps slavery.

Live free or die.

Posted by: profitsbeard

at July 4, 2007 11:19 AM

Today is my nation's birthday.

It is also my own ^_^.

Happy Birthday America.

Posted by: JadeDragoness

at July 4, 2007 11:32 AM

"Progessive": as for the "Judeo-Nazi" reference, besides the sick and twisted identification of actual victims with their actual murderers, let me point out a fact, "we" fought and defeated the actual Nazis, not you. Much of the Muslim world supported the actual Nazis, ex. Nuremberg war criminal Grand Mufti al-Husseini who helped put together the Nazi Muslim Hanzar SS division. Forget about that? So please refrain from using the term "Nazi" unless you want to describe the fascist designs of Islamic Jihad and the models of Shari'a in places like Sudan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, & Taliban Afghanistan.

Posted by: Nick Danger

at July 4, 2007 11:33 AM

Happy 4th...I hope no muslim standard bearer, blows anything up.

Darcy..."Arab means never having to say you're sorry."

That line was 'borrowed' from a 1970's(?) movie called 'Love Story', where the line went ' Love means never having to say you are sorry'.

Olga Bore, and boring 'progressive', should meet each other. I bet they would make a charming couple.
They posted within two minutes of each other...dont you think thats a little too coincidental?

Frank...your post's are always solid. Thanks, and thanks to all you other solid Americans, and others, who have learned who/what the enemy really is.

And thank's to JW/DW for faithfully portraying the 'truth' of Islam.

Happy fourth all, and may there be many more, Islam free fourth's in the future...

Posted by: duh_swami

at July 4, 2007 11:38 AM

Confirms that what Salman Rushie did was to reveal the truth about the teachings on the Muslim Koran which are simply Satanic verses.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106

at July 4, 2007 11:41 AM

Happy 4th of July to "All" from California!

May it serve to remind us of why we're here on JW now and in the future.

Posted by: champ

at July 4, 2007 11:51 AM

I think there are several things hamstringing the gov't in responding to Islamic thugs.

1) Saudi Money. The Saudis for decades have had a program where any retiring pol who says good things about Saudi Arabia gets nice big fat consulting contract.

2) The Saudis have over a half-trillion dollars invested in U.S. securities which in effect they use as blackmail against us. Imagine the chaos if the Saudis pulled that half-trillion out in one day.

3) Other Muslim gov'ts like UAE, Kuwait, etc have a extensive number of lobbyists to help get what they want from Congress. Remember those trade deals to sell our ports to the Persian gulf state of Dubai a year or so ago?

Or Bill Clinton's 10 year $100 million consulting contract with the kingdom of Dubai. Folks the Muslims are busy buying every crooked pol they can.

4) Lastly pols from both parties are just really ignorant of the threat that Islam poses to the west. Their staffs seem equally ignorant in that they rely on CAIR for information of all things!

Posted by: waltc

at July 4, 2007 11:55 AM

Happy 4th America from a Canadian Brother! not enoughpeople in my country realize that the freedoms we share are in fact a part due to the role that the USA plays in facing tyranny in the world. i hope my country wakes up soon and realizes that we have more that binds us than separates us.

Progressive , you are a Troll and a pathetic one at that. you'de rather live in a world where you aren't allowed to think and feel for yourself , unless it's anger or hate. I truly pity you and your ilk cause the more you show us your true colors the sooner we will do what has to be done. i won't shed a tear when you and others like you are deported from our lands and left to fend for yourselves and bask in the beauty that we see Islam has to offer, much like what we see in Gaza right now actually.Truly beautiful stuff, you should be proud! thank your lucky stars that you have the infidel to hate and focus on , cause without us they will turn on you next. Islam = Death

Posted by: MoBlows

at July 4, 2007 11:55 AM

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56496

Progressive,

You should make your way to Hartford, Connecticut this coming weekend for the 32nd annual Islamic Circle of North America conference, an event shared with the Muslim American Society.

The conference is set up to "address growing Islamophobia," according to sponsors who have titled their event "Muhammad: Mercy To Humanity and Beyond."

Imam Siraj Wahhaj is on the program as a featured speaker, but it's not the comments about his faith that concern those who monitor radical groups; it's sentiments such as:

"In time, this so-called democracy will crumble, and there will be nothing. And the only thing that will remain will be Islam."

"If Allah says stone them to death, through the Prophet Muhammad, then you stone them to death, because it's the obedience of Allah and his messenger – nothing personal."

Those quotes were documented by several organizations watching the activities of Islamics they consider radical, such as Wahhaj, who was put on the U.S. attorney's list of potential co-conspirators to the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center, and soon after was a witness for Sheikh Omar Abdel-Rahman, the so-called "Blind Sheikh," who was convicted in the bombing.

An online "invitation" to the conference noted Islam is the religion of "approximately seven million Americans," and it "promotes peace, prayer, humility as well as social, communal and family values."

On a religion blog, he's quoted as telling his followers that a society governed by strict Islamic law, where adulterers would be stoned to death and thieves would have their hands cut off, would be superior to American democracy.

Can we please let go of the notion that Muslims want only to live in peace with others?

Posted by: PMK

at July 4, 2007 12:19 PM

On the lighter side of life......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6SRGRshiSM&mode=related&search=

Posted by: DownWithIslam

at July 4, 2007 12:25 PM

GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!

Without God's blessing, America would not exist today. Here is something to ponder, on this Independance day, written by the noted French historian, not too long after we gained our independance:

de Tocqueville on religion and freedom:

“When the religion of a people is destroyed, doubt gets hold of the higher powers of the intellect and half paralyzes all the others. Such a condition cannot but enervate the soul, relax the springs of the will, and prepare a people for servitude. When there is no longer any principle of authority in religion any more than in politics, men are speedily frightened at the aspect of this unbounded independence. Despotism may govern without faith, but liberty cannot. Religion is much more necessary in democratic republics than in any others. How is it possible that society should escape destruction if the moral tie is not strengthened in proportion as the political tie is relaxed?” -Alexis de Tocqueville (1805-1859)

Posted by: ThatKraut

at July 4, 2007 12:29 PM

Happy July 4th, everybody!!!

Posted by: Infidel Pride

at July 4, 2007 12:33 PM

God bless Palestine.
God bless Iraq.
God bless afganistan.
God bless Lebanon.
(All of the above have tasted the Bush doctrine unfortunately.)
Let the 4th of July be a reminder to all ordinary Americans that they should be more responsible and vigilant about who they put in office.
And also let it be the end of the US hegemony in the world.
Ex-lover of jesus and no lover of Judeo-Nazis.

Posted by: progressive

at July 4, 2007 12:52 PM

Thank you to my family member serving in Iraq, picking up the pieces of our blown apart troops, and getting those who would otherwise die on the battlefield back home.

Interesting contrast. The founders wanted a secular government, with all religions free to practice their faiths, and also the freedom FROM any religion.

Doesn't appear to be any choice with Islam. No discussion.

Time for American beef on the grill.

Posted by: amana39

at July 4, 2007 1:03 PM

Finally, something 'real' from progressive.

"Let the 4th of July be a reminder to all ordinary Americans that they should be more responsible and vigilant about who they put in office".

'That' I agree with.

Posted by: duh_swami

at July 4, 2007 1:04 PM

Hey, on behalf, I’m sure, of all Americans, Thanks for all the "Happy Independence Day" ‘s and "God Bless America" 's.
Especially appreciated from you Brits. You screwed up and lost the colonies but you’ve gained a good friend.

Just don’t let ‘em someday remake Buckingham Palace into a damn mosque!

Posted by: FM

at July 4, 2007 1:06 PM

Progressive:

Allah HAS blessed all those countries that you mentioned, that is why they are all in the crapper right now.

God blesses America with prosperity and freedom, and Allah blesses his people with bondage.

May Allah continue to bless you, progressive!

Posted by: DownWithIslam

at July 4, 2007 1:17 PM

Just don’t let ‘em someday remake Buckingham Palace into a damn mosque!

Posted by: FM at July 4, 2007 1:06 PM

And don't be surprised to see Americans (and I am sure Canadians, Australians, and New Zealanders) to fight with you to prevent this!

An American fighting to protect the Crown? Must stop Islamic Imperialism.

Posted by: npabga

at July 4, 2007 1:21 PM

So for these reasons 9/11 failed credit to the neo cons for showing their lact of respect for the world and their own citizens by spinning 9/11 to suit their own cause.
Posted by: olga Bor at July 4, 2007 9:23 AM

Olga…you are a boor.

Posted by: Xena the dog

at July 4, 2007 1:25 PM

HAPPY 4TH OF JULY EVERYBODY! :)

Yay, the Declaration of Indepedence, against all odds, survived another year without being banned in the public schools and declared "unconstitutional" by the US courts, bc of its reference to the "Creator" of all mankind!

Good luck next year DofI. :)

Posted by: Tookson

at July 4, 2007 1:31 PM

DownWithIslam -- good one!

One mans blessing is another mans hell-hole. Guess allah has sold certain Muslims a rotten bill-of-goods.

If you live life with your 'Eyes Wide Shut' then hell is what you get. Hard to feel sorry for deliberate blindness.

Posted by: champ

at July 4, 2007 1:32 PM

If the West were to fall, people like Progressive would be the first one's to feel the oppressive boot of Sharia. Does Progressive realize how "receptive" Sharia law is to the progressive causes of the West? No doubt Progressive thought Reagan was a war monger, and that Carter was the best president ever.

History repeats itself over and over again. I wonder if the communist true believers ever realized the truth as Stalin sentenced them to death? There were a lot of true believers during the Lenin and Stalin years. Many did not survive.

If "Progressive" ever lived in a country without freedom, he would know how ridiculous he sounds. Equating Israel with Nazism shows such a lack of historical context. How many death camps is Israel operating? And no, a wall to keep bombers out is not the same thing as a wall to keep death camp "visitors" in.

God bless all who truely love freedom rather than merely enjoy their own personal freedom.

Progressive appears to enjoy freedom but not to love it---otherwise the sympathy for Lebanon and other places in the world would be from a different perspective.

Posted by: JSobieski

at July 4, 2007 1:39 PM

"Let the 4th of July be the independence day from the hegemony of the USA around the world.
Ex-lover of jesus and no lover of Judeo-Nazis."

Posted by: progressive at July 4, 2007 10:10 AM

And let the 4th of July be the independence day from mindless bull.

Posted by: rational

at July 4, 2007 1:41 PM

Happy birthday Jade Dragoness! Happy birthday America!

"You have to love a nation that celebrates its independence every July 4, not with a parade of guns, tanks, and soldiers who file by the White House in a show of strength and muscle, but with family picnics where kids throw Frisbees, the potato salad gets iffy, and the flies die from happiness. You may think you have overeaten, but it is patriotism." ~Erma Bombeck

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader

at July 4, 2007 1:48 PM

Anyone know of any Muslim sites with talkbacks that i could go troll ,er i mean share my wisdom with like progressive does here?, maybe i could go rain on them during during Ramadan or one of their valued holidays.

May the Fourth be with you America ! may the West stay united against the Evil of lesser peoples.

Posted by: MoBlows

at July 4, 2007 1:49 PM

duh_swami-

Happy 4th. It is worth celebrating. The same to all.

Posted by: Frank

at July 4, 2007 1:54 PM

Live free or die.

Posted by: profitsbeard at July 4, 2007 11:19 AM

++++++++++++++

pb, did you mean:

LIVE FREE AND DIE FREE...........

GOD BLESS AMERICA AND OUR FIGHTING FORCES ACROSS THE WORLD, KEEP US FREE AND DESTROY OUR ENEMIES.

HAPPY 4TH OF JULY TO AMERICA AND AMERICANS ACROSS THE GRAND WORLD.

The Texican.
Live free and die free.....
God Family America Freedom the only choice at any cost.

Posted by: Texican

at July 4, 2007 1:58 PM

" Ex-lover of jesus "

Posted by: progressive

BTW Regressive, what exactly about a peaceful man like Jesus would cause you to stop loving HIM?

Jesus taught , love thy neighbour

Mo taught , Let them find Harshness in you wherever you find them.

I'd like a response to that. how do you choose that over someone who teaches peace with all men? do you not have a soul? do you deep inside really just like feeling hate?

Posted by: MoBlows

at July 4, 2007 1:59 PM

FM; "especially appreciated by you Brits. You screwed up and lost the colonies, but you've gained a good friend." In the revolutionary war, it was basically the British against the British. Therefore the British both won and lost. Who do you think founded this great country? Happy 4th to all patriots! God save the Queen!

Posted by: mustang65

at July 4, 2007 2:20 PM

Those who wish to murder innocents in the name of their "god" worship non other than Satan (or the Moon God of pagen Arabia if you prefer).

Allah of the Koran is not, and will NEVER be, Yahweh of the Torah. And Mohammed will NEVER be the messenger of peace, only Jesus of the New Testament.

Wake Up America! or die ignorant...

Happy Birthday USA!

Posted by: I_Will_NEVER_Submit

at July 4, 2007 2:28 PM

On this Fourth of July I think it an appropriate time to ask the following question: How can anyone be both a devout Muslim and a good American at one and the same time? As a devout Muslim you must want to see the US Constitution replaced with Islamic religious law (sharia). As a good American you would never want to see the Constitution replaced by sharia or any religious law. Yes, you could be a ho-hum Muslim, I suppose, and not want to see sharia become the law of the land. But I'm concerned here with the Muslim who desires to live his or her faith to the fullest. Is there any way out of this dilemma?

Posted by: Wellington

at July 4, 2007 2:30 PM

progressive --

MoBlows asks some good questions, and I would also like to point out another key difference between Jesus & Muhammad:

The God of Jesus Christ sent His Son to die for you -- whereas the god of Muhammad demands that you send your son to die for him.

Islam is evil & backwards.

Posted by: champ

at July 4, 2007 2:42 PM

Wellington asks: On this Fourth of July I think it an appropriate time to ask the following question: How can anyone be both a devout Muslim and a good American at one and the same time?

Answer: They cant. Of course some clever muslim, or apologist, will attempt to re-define what a 'good American' is, to fit the agenda, but in reality, when push comes to shove, Islam is first...

Posted by: duh_swami

at July 4, 2007 2:46 PM

Wellington --

On July 4th devout Muslims solve this dilemma by blowing themselves up -- instead of setting off fireworks.

Posted by: champ

at July 4, 2007 2:47 PM

Champ: The God of Jesus Christ sent His Son to die for you -- whereas the god of Muhammad demands that you send your son to die for him.

Since Allah doe's not exist, Mohammad has no god to demand anything. However, if you change the word 'god' for 'demon', the difference between Jesus and Mohammad becomes even more pronounced.

Islam is evil & backwards....Right on.

'Demon est Deus inversus'(Roman), The demon is God backwards, inverse, reverse. When Mohammad lied and said that, 'The only ilah is Allah', he reversed the current, so to speak, and Islam became demonic...

Posted by: duh_swami

at July 4, 2007 3:00 PM

Happy Independence day America,

Keep up the fight.

Posted by: Isamisevil

at July 4, 2007 3:03 PM

Happy Independence day America,

Keep up the fight.

Posted by: Isamisevil

at July 4, 2007 3:03 PM

If tomorrow all the things were gone,
I’d worked for all my life.
And I had to start again,
with just my children and my wife.

I’d thank my lucky stars,
to be livin here today.
‘Cause the flag still stands for freedom,
and they can’t take that away.

And I’m proud to be an American,
where at least I know I’m free.
And I wont forget the men who died,
who gave that right to me.

And I gladly stand up,
next to you and defend her still today.
‘Cause there ain’t no doubt I love this land,
God bless the USA.

From the lakes of Minnesota,
to the hills of Tennessee.
Across the plains of Texas,
From sea to shining sea.

From Detroit down to Houston,
and New York to L.A.
Well there’s pride in every American heart,
and its time we stand and say.

That I’m proud to be an American,
where at least I know I’m free.
And I wont forget the men who died,
who gave that right to me.