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Anjem Choudary again (and others). You can listen to audio of these statements over at WND. By Art Moore for WorldNetDaily.com (thanks to all who sent this in):
Across town from the site of the recent attempted car-bomb attacks, several thousand Muslims gathered in front of the London Central Mosque to applaud fiery preachers prophesying the overthrow of the British government – a future vision that encompasses an Islamic takeover of the White House and the rule of the Quran over America."One day my dear Muslims," shouted Anjem Choudary, "Islam will govern Britain!"
Choudary was a co-founder of Al Muhajiroun, the now-banned group tied to suspects in the July 7, 2005, London transport bombings and a cheerleader of the 9/11 attacks.
"Democracy, hypocrisy," Choudary chanted as the crowd echoed him. "Tony Blair, terrorist! Tony Blair, murderer! Queen Elizabeth, go to hell!"
The Muslim leader's charge, along with interviews with protesters and a "literal foaming-at-the-mouth" diatribe by another speaker, were captured on tape June 22 by nationally syndicated talk radio host Rusty Humphries.
Humphries, who was in London with WND Jerusalem bureau chief Aaron Klein, recorded angry Muslim leader Abu Saif, who kept his voice at a fever pitch through declarations such as: "Brothers and sisters, make no mistake. Make no mistake. The British government, the queen, the MPs in this country, they are enemies to you, enemies to Allah and enemies to the Muslims."
Abu Saif is believed to be a member of the group Hizb ut-Tahrir, the Party of Liberation, which states its aim is to unify Muslims and establish Islamic rule over the world. The group's Cambridge cell reportedly had tried to recruit the Iraqi doctor now suspected of mounting the attack on Glasgow's airport June 30. The failed car-bomb assault followed two similar attempts in London the previous day.
Abu Saif spoke with disdain of Blair's appointment as a special envoy to the Middle East, issuing an apparent threat.
"Inshallah," meaning "Allah willing," he told the crowd, Blair will "go to the Middle East as an envoy, and he'll come back in a box. Inshallah. What box that is, we leave that up to you."
Humphries estimated nearly 3,000 Muslims were gathered in front of the mosque in north London June 22, after Friday prayers, to protest Queen Elizabeth's knighting of Indian author Salman Rushdie, the target of a death-sentence fatwa for "insulting" Islam's prophet Muhammad in his 1988 book "The Satanic Verses."
For Humphries, the response of the Muslims at Islam's largest house of worship in the UK was telling.
"Not one said, 'You're not speaking for me' or 'Not in my name.' They stood there and watched and applauded," he told WND.
Read it all.
Posted by Robert at July 9, 2007 5:24 AM
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Sadly, he is right unless the West wakes up.
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at July 9, 2007 6:34 AM
Lock 'N Load
Posted by: jcom972 at July 9, 2007 6:37 AM
Expect a new civil war in America if there is even an attempt. Plus many Americans keep and bear arms.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at July 9, 2007 6:52 AM
I show articles like this, to Muslims who call themselves 'moderate', and all they can tell me is: "That's not what we're taught", but the thing is, they never throw out the possibility that with just a little bit more teaching, they could be right up there with the likes of Anjem Choudary. Moderation is a joke.
Posted by: Rogster at July 9, 2007 7:05 AM
I do not buy newspapers and seldom watch TV news. Can anyone in the UK tell me how/if this was reported here?
Posted by: Fred at July 9, 2007 7:06 AM
Queen Elizabeth - the Muslims have told you to "go to hell" in your own country.
Are you going to do anything about it?
Posted by: darcy at July 9, 2007 7:11 AM
...if you have not started stocking up on your survivial gear...start now....stock pile weapons, ammunition, food (you can even purchase the surplus military ready to eat meals, which have a very long shelf life, from several sources), put first aid kits, water, matches, maps, compasses, compact fishing gear, survival knives, survival blankets, and such amenities as toilet paper in your boxes...Place the gear in more than one location, purchase books on camping and survivial tactics....purchase military style footwear, get out of your house and explore all the areas you have time to do so...go camping, learn to start a fire without matches, learn about camoflage, spend more time at firing ranges becoming familiar with all manner of firearms,,learn to shoot the pistol, the rifle, the shotgun....get a German Shephard dog and train him in the Shultzhund training programs..this dog will become your best ally, he will be able to protect you, he will be able to alert you and he will become your best friend...learn to find water and in your survival gear, have water purifications systems (which are portable and small)...get out and start walking, get a small back pack and put about 30 pounds of material in it...get used to carrying some weight while walking...and you will be healthier to boot...re establish contact with long neglected family members in other cities,,you might need them in the future...go fishing, learn to catch fish...you might need them...get a bike and put panniers with about 30 pounds of weight in them and ride, bikes may become a viable source of transportation...stockpile any medication you may require...the medicine may become hard to get...read the bible and learn to shoot straight and to shoot with accuracy....learn to shoot up close (10 yards or less) and to shoot long (up to 600 yards)....buy a quality combat knife, learn how how use it....learn to survive.....
know your enemy...begin by banning Muslim immigration..
Posted by: exsgtbrown at July 9, 2007 7:25 AM
"Muslims declare sovereignty over U.S., "
I guess I missed the memo that stated that we here in the U.S. have been taken over by Muslims..
I have to much Early American Pride and patriotism for what this country stood for to allow a take over .. My Family fought in every war on this soil and abroad....these Grandfathers of mine,are screaming in there graves over what they fought for is gone..and are crying over what they can see has coming down the pike......something wicked this way comes.
at July 9, 2007 7:28 AM
The only news here is the identity of the speaker and some particulars concerning the venue. Islam long ago claimed sovereignty over the entire sphere, yet Islam is not universally recognised for what it is. That being, the motive force behind Arab imperialism.
Cheers,
Posted by: Mr. Arbroath at July 9, 2007 7:30 AM
I am British, and this is the first time I have heard of this nonsense. Our media deliberately keep the people uninformed.
Those devils should have been rounded up and shipped out, together with their undesirable families.
Surely this is high treason?
Islam is a wicked, evil, vicious ideology, and should be wiped from the face of the earth!
What is the matter with our inept, so-called leaders?
Is the world going mad?
at July 9, 2007 7:37 AM
Assalamau Laikum exsgtbrown,
Your strategy seems like really hard work...tiring and boring....here'a an alternative.
Learn the sahada...recite the koran, keep a framed picture of Mecca in your lounge.
Put up a shelf, clean it and put the koran there.
Go to prayers on friday, give up alcholol, smoking and clubbing (these are bad for your health anyway) and get to know your local imam properly....
Learn the tenents of sharia lite and obey them...rest of the time...Sit back,
and relax.
at July 9, 2007 7:39 AM
"Democracy, hypocrisy," Choudary chanted as the crowd echoed him. "Tony Blair, terrorist! Tony Blair, murderer! Queen Elizabeth, go to hell!"
This is the voice of the religion of peace.
Abu Saif spoke with disdain of Blair's appointment as a special envoy to the Middle East, issuing an apparent threat.
"Inshallah," meaning "Allah willing," he told the crowd, Blair will "go to the Middle East as an envoy, and he'll come back in a box. Inshallah. What box that is, we leave that up to you."
Is pointing this out "Brit-bashing"?
"One day my dear Muslims," shouted Anjem Choudary, "Islam will govern Britain!"
No American is cheering this or feeling "smug".
Rogster,
Your Muslims friends say "that's not what I was taught" but actions speak louder than words. Would they defend their country and their non-Muslim fellow citizens from such an event or would they just shrug their shoulders at the violence outside the mosque as they knelt in prayer?
at July 9, 2007 7:41 AM
Sencit you wrote:
"Surely this is high treason?
Islam is a wicked, evil, vicious ideology, and should be wiped from the face of the earth!
What is the matter with our inept, so-called leaders?
Is the world going mad?"
Yes the world has gone mad, yes this is treason...and to deport would be Islamophobic profiling. In my opinion would be a good thing, but I don't see this happening...until it is to late then the masses will yell to the governments 'why did you not do something sooner?' To many are blind to the truth of what is going on in the world.
Posted by: mountiangirl at July 9, 2007 7:46 AM
Is the world going mad?
Yes. the world has gone mad long ago. We have allowed barbarian lunatics, murderous zombies, the scum whom our ancestors fought for 1400 years, to mass-migrate and settle in our countries, to plot behind enemy lines, and now they have become a fifth column, a spearhead for the cult of Islam, in order to conquer and subjugate us.
But I like Anjem Chaudry. He tells the truth.
He is not a lying weasel, he is not a disseminating swine like Arafat used to be,- one who sez one thing in English and another in Arabic. Anjem Chaudry tells the truth. I would miss him if he was replaced by some slimy taqiyya doctor.
http://sheikyermami.com/2007/07/09/infiltration-hizb-ut-tahrir-cambridge-the-global-jihad/
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at July 9, 2007 7:49 AM
Naseem
I could think of a few places to stuff that filthy book, and on a shelf, clean or otherwise, would not be one of them!
at July 9, 2007 7:52 AM
...hard work is rewarding and the dividends longer lasting....submission is failure and death....
Posted by: exsgtbrown at July 9, 2007 7:53 AM
Islam over America?
HA! Over my cold, dead, jewish body.
More likely:
Mushroom cloud over Mecca.
Posted by: bonncaruso at July 9, 2007 8:29 AM
Imagine there's no Britain
It isn't hard to do
...
at July 9, 2007 8:29 AM
"Queen Elizabeth - the Muslims have told you to "go to hell" in your own country.
Are you going to do anything about it?" (From Darcy).
Her Majesty devoted one of her Christmas speeches to championing diversity, so perhaps she is not in a strong position to complain about the consequences of letting the muzzies in.
As for Anjem Choudary, I think that we should give him a helping hand to spread his message. The more khuffars who hear it, the better.
at July 9, 2007 8:31 AM
"Learn the tenents of sharia lite and obey them...rest of the time...Sit back,
and relax."
You make Islam sound like a laid-back faith, Naseem, but I think that you are keeping certain things from us. What about the duty of muslims to froth at the mouth and riot when some cartoonist draws something which you find distasteful. And as for the duty of jihad.. that doesn't sound very restful.
Posted by: Burnside at July 9, 2007 8:37 AM
heck what the hell is going on in GB to allow this these traitorous islamists to spew out their hatred for all things Western! give these bastard islamists the royal boot, l dont care if you dropped them over the ocean, let their demon god allah save them from the sharks. l am appalled at how pathetic the British government is to allow this type of behaviour, free speech is fine, but when you threaten the State and people within it, its time to
get rid of this PC attitude and do the right thing!
at July 9, 2007 8:38 AM
....Kruchev pounded his shoe and said " We will bury you!"....If he had Muslim suicide bombers he could have caused more problems....Russians had nuclear missles, Islman has brainwashed morons.....
....it seems the brainwashed morons are more fearful than nuclear missiles....
...ban muslim immigration...
at July 9, 2007 8:39 AM
The Japanese were bragging about how they will take us over in 1941 . Look what happened to them .
The hubris in the Islamic world is astonishing.
They need a reality check .No doubt they will get it eventually . And , they won't like it at all .
Poor devils...
Posted by: purplemarbles at July 9, 2007 8:40 AM
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This is worth reposting.
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For any that are interested in reading this, here is an article of a large gathering of Muslims this weekend in Hartford, CT at its convention center.
http://www.courant.com/news/local/hc-islamic.artjul08,0,4875102.story
Comments are welcomed.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at July 8, 2007 6:00 PM
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By HILARY WALDMAN | Courant Staff Writer
July 8, 2007
Laurie and Stephen Janecko could have spent Saturday afternoon swimming in their pool.
Instead, the Roman Catholic couple from East Hartford chose to mingle among 15,000 Muslims - most of the women covered in head scarves or full-length veils - gathered for a convention in Hartford.
This is the third year that the Muslim group, the Islamic Circle of North America, has held its annual convention in Hartford. Families mostly from New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania crowded the Connecticut Convention Center to shop at a huge bazaar and attend seminars on topics including "what you need to know before you get married" and "Muslim teen rebellion: causes and solutions."
For the first time, the group opened its doors to non-Muslims in an effort to dispel suspicion and misconceptions about the faith and its followers, especially in the wake of the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, and last week's bombing attempts in Great Britain.
With about 100 other non-Muslim guests, the Janeckos were invited to observe as the faithful faced the direction of Mecca and bowed for prayers, dine on a Halal lunch of lentils and curried chicken and learn that they as Christians share many traditions with the followers of Muhammad.
In a meeting room separate from the practical seminars on how to live as a better Muslim, the guests listened to lectures that focused on areas of concern and misunderstanding, such as terrorism and Islam's treatment of women and its views on other religions.
Jamal A. Badawi, a professor emeritus of management and religious studies at St. Mary's University in Nova Scotia, Canada, said terrorists such as Osama Bin Laden who commit acts of violence in the name of Islam are probably sincere about their faith but terribly misguided.
So are suicide bombers, who believe that as martyrs they will gain a hallowed place in heaven, he said.
"The Quran does not give greater value to the life of a Muslim than to that of a non-Muslim," Badawi said.
Speaker after speaker answered questions from the audience written on white index cards. One guest wanted more information on why women and men must be separated in mosques. Even in the public venues at the convention center Saturday, entrances to the men's and women's areas were marked with large signs directing "sisters" to one doorway and "brothers" to another. The dining area was segregated.
Yvonne Ridley, a British journalist who converted to Islam after she was captured by the Taliban in Afghanistan in 2001, said the rules for keeping women separate from men and requiring them to wear modest clothing are meant to be respectful, not oppressive.
She added that although domestic violence has been a problem in some Islamic countries, violence against women is not condoned in the Quran, and "it's wrong, it's wrong, it's wrong." She said polygamy is allowed in Islam, but the religion requires that men who have two or even three wives must treat each one equally. Honor killings also have no place in Islamic culture, she said.
As for separation in the mosques, Ridley said she would rather not bow down with her forehead to the ground and have a man seated directly behind her.
"We should be opening mosques more often so people can see they are wonderful areas of quiet and contemplation and really quite spiritual," Ridley said. "You can see there is nothing sinister going on."
Quoting from the New and Old testaments of the Bible as well as the Quran, Imam Shabir Ally, a religious leader from Canada, told the guests that Jews, Christians and Muslims all draw from the same religious traditions.
As a matter of fact, he said, the Quran refers to stories from the Jewish Torah and from the gospels of Christianity.
"Moses, Jesus and Mohammed are brothers in faith," he said.
Why then, asked a participant, does the Quran talk about punishing Muslims who leave the faith and warn Muslims not to befriend people of other religions?
That, Ally said, is another vestige of ancient times and proof that the Quran must be interpreted in current social context, not literal translation.
The warnings against venturing outside of Islamic society dates back to a time early in history when the followers of Muhammad were being attacked on many fronts and everybody in the group was privy to military secrets. A person who broke with the faith might divulge life-threatening insider information to Islam's enemies, he said.
"This hardly prevails in today's society," Ally said.
The Janeckos said Saturday's forum went a long way toward dispelling many of the myths about Islamic culture. They said they were impressed by how welcome they were made to feel at the convention center.
"The media portrays terrorists and Muslims as one in the same," Stephen Janecko said. "Most people portray them as a radical religion, and they're not." The couple said they were glad they skipped the pool.
But at a time when reports of bias against Muslims are still on the rise in the United States, security was tight at the convention center Saturday. And although few spoke about feeling oppressed, one adolescent boy's T-shirt carried a telling message: "Frisk Me, I'm Muslim."
Contact Hilary Waldman at hwaldman@courant.com.
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They believe a person who was kidnapped by a group of terrorists and became one of them.
Posted by: Borg at July 9, 2007 8:45 AM
I hope the brits had a bunch of agents infiltrating this gathering. Video Taping and taking notes. I don't understand why a mob of folks don't go to these protests and start kicking butt. Naseem you and your peeps are in for a surprise if you think that book of toilet paper you read is gonna dominate over the U.S..
Posted by: americanmadestrat at July 9, 2007 8:46 AM
"Islam will govern Britain"
how will the islamists accomplish this? easy, using so called moderate muslims and the so called sharia lite. boil the frog slowly so that it doesn't realize it. after the islamic takeover is accomplished there will be no more leftist libs that are the most rabid supporters of muslim moderates, no more schooling for girls, no more museums and art, no more culture other than the arab/islamic one. no people of other faiths. naseem's ilamic paradise will be hell for us.
Posted by: desidude at July 9, 2007 8:50 AM
Naseem, I once owned a Quran, and you know what I did with it? - I burnt it in front of a Muslim I knew, in order to convert him from Islam.
At the time, he was quite pissed, but eventually he saw the point I was making, and nowadays he lives as an atheist. I'm up to 4 converts now, over a period of 3 years. 4 down, 1.2 billion to go (Including you).
at July 9, 2007 8:50 AM
Borg that has to be so much claptrap of answers that l have ever heard of! it seems they want to keep everyone simple minded and in the dark. no serious quesitons were asked and those lame answers just illustrates the degree of stupidity and brain washed these muslims must indure to stay within such an oppressive cult.
Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at July 9, 2007 8:52 AM
Comments are welcomed.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at July 8, 2007 6:00 PM
...and I hope the U.S. had agents here!!! I like the kid w/ the shirt saying "Frisk me, I'm muslim". The back of the shirt should say
"brought to you by CAIR"
at July 9, 2007 8:55 AM
Anjem Choudary should be arrested. This spew coming from him is real hate speech. Won't any one get it?
Posted by: sounder at July 9, 2007 8:57 AM
People, I urge you to take a few and e-mail new dhimmi PM Gordon Brown with your feelings.
It's very easy, just take a few minutes.
Google "10 Downing street" - Voila!
Among the many issues I addressed, I said it was essential for him as PM to name the enemy: Islam, Koran, Muslims.
I also asked him if he could please stop giving Brittania away to the 21st century Barbarians?
Churchill wouldn't do it.
Posted by: darcy at July 9, 2007 8:58 AM
borg, i do believe that for these stupid libs they get lessons on the " ISLAM LITE" all fake and nonfilling. all made to pretend this is the real islam when it's not.
Posted by: desidude at July 9, 2007 8:59 AM
My God, Borg, the "Hartford Courant" article you posted is filled with so many lies where to even begin exposing them?
I'm going to e-mail the 100% ignorant of Islam/Koran/taqiyya writer/reporter of that article and tell her so.
Posted by: darcy at July 9, 2007 9:06 AM
"Assalamau Laikum exsgtbrown,
Your strategy seems like really hard work...tiring and boring....here'a an alternative.
Learn the sahada...recite the koran, keep a framed picture of Mecca in your lounge.
Put up a shelf, clean it and put the koran there.
Go to prayers on friday, give up alcholol, smoking and clubbing (these are bad for your health anyway) and get to know your local imam properly....
Learn the tenents of sharia lite and obey them...rest of the time...Sit back,
and relax."
Posted by: Naseem
If you have leetle keeds, they will do the blowing up for you! No need to work at ANYTHING. Just seet back and drink your shay bi nana and let the feelthy kufr wait on you! Join now, get free money from feelthy government and bring over your wives and get MO'MONEY! Multiculturaleesm...ees not she a beautiful theeng, Naseem?
Posted by: Jauhara Al-Kafirah at July 9, 2007 9:17 AM
Naseem,
Thanks for reminding me that I need to clean and re-line my bird cages. When I run out of Qur'an pages, I'll start using "Reliance of the Traveller", until I can get over to Barnes and Noble again.
exsgtbrown:
I copied your post to use as a general checklist. Thanks! Obtaining a German Shepherd will make the exercise worthwhile. I am physically lazy, by nature, but I'd enjoy walking such a fine big dog around the neighborhood.
By the way, could you recommend any particularly useful books on survival? Maybe I could pick a couple of them up, while I'm looking for another Qur'an for my bird cages.
Posted by: Abscedere at July 9, 2007 9:42 AM
sit back and relax, Naseem?
And that is why the muslim states are nothing but sewers of humanity.
Posted by: R_not at July 9, 2007 9:44 AM
Muslim sovereignty over the USA? Over my dead body. Really.
Posted by: angryeagle at July 9, 2007 9:56 AM
Naseem,
Hard work is boring? Now we know why Muslim countries are among the poorest on earth. Once you ran out of caravans to fleece and people to murder (until a Westerner invented the airplane and other Westerners came to the Muslim world in great ships because the Middle East land routes were blocked) there wasn't much left but to go to the mosque and learn again why Muslims consider themselves so superior and rant about evil crusaders who had been driven from dar-al-islam centuries prior. What was your excuse for not doing more with yourselves between the twelfth and twentieth centuries? Western civilization advanced by leaps and bounds. What happened in Islam?
Through an accident of geology many Muslim countries found themselves sitting atop huge oil deposits. Without oil, Mecca would be a backwater and Riyadh a tent village.
Posted by: PMK at July 9, 2007 10:11 AM
Hey Naseem,
How do you like the fact that Abdul Aziz ran away from the Red Mosque dressed like a girl? Yup, one of your brave Imams tried to escape the law by dressing in a burkah and running away. He got caught cause he's too fat and pot bellied to move quickly. Must be lack of "hard work" for the lazy bum. You can read about your glorious religious leader here:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/017251.php
Feeling proud? A cross dressing imam!
Posted by: atheling at July 9, 2007 10:21 AM
Why is it that Britain can prosecute Nick Griffiths for hate speech and not this scumbag? Or hopefully we will see the Muslim dog in cuffs...
As for here in America, Muslim pigs, if you try it, you're gonna get your ass whipped so hard you'll wish you stayed in your flea infested tent in the desert.
One thing I have resolved. When I fly, I carry bacon. If things over here start getting worse I think we should do little random acts of terror for these scum. Pigs blood, bacon, dogshit, you name it...
If our government fails to protect the national security from these bastards then they we will have to take measures into our own hands.
Extreme, yes. But then this is about life and death.
at July 9, 2007 10:29 AM
One thing I have resolved. When I fly, I carry bacon.
atheling,
I love it but would you be able to carry it on board? Wouldn't it be taken away from you by the baggage screeners?
Why not a copy of the Quran? Begin tearing out pages and making them into confetti.
Posted by: PMK at July 9, 2007 10:57 AM
Yes, the world has gone MAD. Ineptitude reigns when governments permit gatherings like this to continue without repercussions for inciting terror and treason.
This madness became so obvious to our sworn enemies with events like this
where our military had 190 members of the Taliban elite - at a funeral - "in the drones crosshairs"(which happened to be armed with a Hellfire missile) - in a war zone and refused to obliterate the enemy out of respect for "cultural sensitivities".
Current rules of engagement . . .we are sitting ducks. . .for as long as "we the people" are willing to permit this insanity. Primal rage will fester only so long.
Posted by: justamomof4 at July 9, 2007 10:58 AM
My copy of The Qur'an sits on my dusty shelf right next to my copy of The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the crusades) by Mr. Robert Spencer. Thanks to Robert and many of you here at JW my qur'an is loaded with yellow hi-liter marks noting the "peace" of the murder cult of islam.
Posted by: porkbelly at July 9, 2007 11:17 AM
Lol, you people are cracking me up today! Loved the "cleaning and re-lining of your bird cages," Abscedere, that was very funny!
And your carry-on bacon, atheling! BTW, it's BNP Nick Griffen, not Griffiths, just letting you know for future reference. Yes, that he was put on trial for speaking ill of Islam, which SHOULD be spoken ill of, just like Nazism, shows you how low the Brits have stooped to the Barbarians. Shocking and appalling. There's no more freedom of speech, which includes CRITICAL SPEECH, in GB.
momof4 - I agree wholeheartedly. The Muslim barbarism, insanity, and outright treason that takes place in Finsbury Park is an outrage. It needs to be stopped, yesterday. Who in Englandistan has the cojones to do this???
Posted by: darcy at July 9, 2007 11:18 AM
what the fu....?!?!
They will never do that, because I'm not going to allow them, I'm going to fight this hipocrisy till I die, no muslim will take power, freedom is an essencial need for every human being...
at July 9, 2007 11:20 AM
They don't object to a BLT sandwich - YUM! Just carry it on and let them see it.
Hey British JihadWatch readers: is it true that the BNP only allows white Brits to belong?
Posted by: atheling at July 9, 2007 11:27 AM
"Why then, asked a participant, does the Quran talk about punishing Muslims who leave the faith and warn Muslims not to befriend people of other religions?
That, Ally said, is another vestige of ancient times and proof that the Quran must be interpreted in current social context, not literal translation."
bigcatgirl13106,
Problem is, the rest of the Islamic world doesn't believe this. The Koran is an eternal and unchanging book. It does not evolve. If it said in the seventh century to kill an apostate, that command is as valid today as it was then. "social context" has nothing to do with anything, and to suggest that the teachings of Islam are subject to change based on social context is blasphemy in Most Muslim countries, and could earn one a death sentence for apostasy in most of the Muslim world.
I don't know if Ally was blowing smoke in his own face, or trying to blow it in the face of the non-Muslim attending the event, but if he is sincere in believing what she said, I'd strongly suggest she never go to a Islamic country and say it out loud -- that's if he values his life.
Posted by: rational at July 9, 2007 11:32 AM
One thing American JihadWatchers... if anyone flies into Kansas City and sees those Muslim footbaths in the bathrooms at the airport, be sure to piss or spit in it. If I ever go there I'll be sure to drop slices of bacon in them!
Posted by: atheling at July 9, 2007 11:43 AM
atheling
this is one area of the bnp which makes me cringe, you have to be a white european to join, you can also join if you are white and live in the USA and former colonise. The bnp does have a "friends of the bnp" which many non whites can join.
but as i said just taling about racial exclusion makes me question the party. just hope that they become more inclusive and start to realise that their segregationist policies actually hurt their party.
there are many very proud british who are not white, ex-ghurkas for instance give their blood for the uk yet could never be bnp.
it was my choice to join them i suppose.
"Membership of the British National Party is open to those of British or kindred European ethnic descent. While we welcome contact and co-operation with nationalists and patriots of other races, and with the many non-whites who also oppose enforced multi-racialism, we ask them to respect our right to an organisation of our own, for our own, as we respect and applaud their measures to organise themselves in like fashion. "
at July 9, 2007 11:50 AM
Naseem
No use for the Quran. I've got a copy of Kant's works.
Posted by: FreeSpeech at July 9, 2007 11:51 AM
This is disgusting. Surely this qualifies as sedition?!
Will the police and crown do nothing? I am sick of having my Queen and the land of my ancestors defamed and threatened in this way.
And if I feel this way, most Brits are sure to feel even more strongly about these ingrates and the **** they are peddling.
If my (white, Christian) brother and his friends were breaking the law, do you think the police and government would consult with the neighbours about whether or not to put them in jail?
Let me assure you, though, that if the police did consult the neighbours, they'd tell the cops to go ahead and put their law-breaking butts in jail for a long, long time.
"One of these things is not like the other..."
Posted by: Josephine at July 9, 2007 12:08 PM
Assalamau Laikum Atheling,
Does your name have a meaning?....is it racist MF by any chance?
Just because Islam will be global brand of choice of religion doesn't mean that you have to behave in this uncouth manner.
You don't want to help peoples who have suffered from flooding, you want to knock peoples houses down, their place of worship down, you want to kill innocent pigs to satisfy your warped sense of humor, you don't want to put up a clean shelf in your home for the koran, what's wrong with you?
Posted by: Naseem at July 9, 2007 12:11 PM
My GOD, my blood BOILS when I hear these ARROGANT INGRATE RAGHEAD BASTARDS mouthing off like this. Every last one of these insidious INVADERS should be sent back to his ISLAMIC DUNGHEAP country of origin.
exsgtbrown, thank you for your EXCELLENT ADVICE. Already on it, exsgtbrown, ALREADY ON IT.
By the way, I keep MY copy of the Koran on the windowsill in the upstairs bathroom where it is nice and handy for a little reading. Yup, during the past year I've read through quite a lot of it, one Sura at a time.......
at July 9, 2007 12:33 PM
Why aren't these leaders arrested and charged with sedition? Why aren't their followers expelled from their country?
More people in the UK must infiltrate these Mosques and get video of these speeches so the rest of the world can understand what these guys are saying. There needs to be some society that can fund the gathering, translation, and distribution of what these sods are saying.
Posted by: James Martel at July 9, 2007 12:45 PM
Over the past several weeks, I've noticed many people in the U.S. really starting to wake up. The political and cultural elites are still way behind the curve - either in a state of willful denial, or too self-absorbed to weigh in. If the momentum continues to build, they will either reluctantly be dragged along behind, or eventually bypassed. Many are corrupt, stupid and cowardly. When they become aware of the extent of the nation's anger, they will be in for a shock. Already hearing terms like "sharia" and "dhimmi" used in conversation on a local basis. Time to step up the pressure and increase the volume.
Posted by: MP at July 9, 2007 12:50 PM
Naseem, my little piglet,
We ARE uncouth. We're unruly. We're hostile. You and your fellow Muslim dogs will not have it easy in the US. We will not make you welcome here. We've been called uncivil, rude, and all kinds of names and it CAN be true. That's what will drive the Muslim dogs out of our country. We will resort to random acts of terror to put you dogs in your place so that you won't want to live here. We have guns too, so if you Muslim dogs wish to act up you just might end up with a head full of lead. That's a promise.
I WILL be rude to you, Miss Piggy, and we will continue to berate, insult and injure you. Just watch us.
Posted by: atheling at July 9, 2007 12:59 PM
MP: You're right. The past few weeks I've attended seminars, meetings, etc... here in Washington state and more Americans are FED UP with Islam. We're talking and we are PISSED. We want them out, and we are searching for ways to get the powers that be to listen to us and ACT.
We have to keep up the pressure!
Posted by: atheling at July 9, 2007 1:05 PM
James Martel
"Why aren't these leaders arrested and charged with sedition? Why aren't their followers expelled from their country?"
The reason is to do with the European Convention on Human Rights and with the British judges who interpret it.
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/law/article2045627.ece
Posted by: Burnside at July 9, 2007 1:23 PM
rational,
I heard early this morning that there was protesting outside the convention hall not only against the Muslim conference but against one of the speakers, one who had a certain amount of involvement in the 1993 attempt on the WTC.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at July 9, 2007 2:05 PM
Well, PM Brown you were saying?
So which part of Anjem Choudary's message are you not clear about?
Oh, and did you notice, not very muslims are disagreeing with him; right, I forgot -- they are the silent majority.
Sure, why am I having trouble believeing this?
Posted by: witness at July 9, 2007 2:10 PM
Well, PM Brown you were saying?
So which part of Anjem Choudary's message are you not clear about?
Oh, and did you notice, not very muslims are disagreeing with him; right, I forgot -- they are the silent majority.
Sure, why am I having trouble believeing this?
Posted by: witness at July 9, 2007 2:10 PM
Folks, here is another article about a group of people who had protested. Here is the URL.
http://www.courant.com/news/local/hc-protest0709.artjul09,0,6078907.story
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at July 9, 2007 2:11 PM
MP:
It's not possible for our leaders to be shocked at anything. They believe we are incapable of understanding the issues. Those who opposed the immigration bill were denounced as nativists, bigots and xenophobes. Expect more of the same when we rise up against Islam.
The worst thing that ever happened to Islam was the internet. Before that, as in 1979, Americans were shocked at the seizure of our diplomats and the elites calmed us by saying: no, these are not the real Muslims. The real Muslims, like the Saudis, are our friends and they don't believe the things the Iranians are saying. The attacks of the 1990s were carried out by Sunnis and people started asking and were told: no, most people don't feel like them. These are wayward souls who don't understand Islam.
Before the internet the MSM could feed us lines like this and there weren't enough places for people to research and learn the truth. Much is made of the jihadist websites but the web also makes it possible for people like Robert and Hugh and others to get the word out. It's a two-edged sword.
As more attacks happen in Western countries, as opposed to attacks on Western targets in Islamic countries, more and more people are coming around. However, I don't see the elites accepting reality. They've built their lives and their careers on one view of Islam and they will carry it with them to the grave.
Posted by: PMK at July 9, 2007 2:20 PM
Naseem:
Ten minutes have elapsed.
It is now past time for you to go partake in an Islamic ritual killing of another "unbeliever" again.
Posted by: pythagoras at July 9, 2007 2:22 PM
Learn the sahada...recite the koran, keep a framed picture of Mecca in your lounge.
Actually, I have a picture of Mecca on frame that I use for target practice.
Put up a shelf, clean it and put the koran there.
Several koran's make good backstops for the targets mentioned above. With a good scope, I can easily hit them from 1 mile away.
Go to prayers on friday, give up alcholol, smoking and clubbing (these are bad for your health anyway) and get to know your local imam properly....
Won't pray to the devil you call allah; I like Dunkel Bier; don't smoke -- interfers with PT; and I have an eye on the local imams as do many others including the FBI.
Learn the tenents of sharia lite and obey them...rest of the time...Sit back,
and relax.
Know them forwards and backwards especially sura 9; when the lead flies, I want to be very clear what I fighting for and against.
Yes, all of your points Naseem are well taken.
OBTW, even if islam captivates the hearts and minds of the elites, the future islamic rulers will wish they were in hell when they try to rule over the people.
We learned something from our iraq experience too; and many a returning vet from that theater has learned to hate islam and its followers for very good reasons.
at July 9, 2007 2:32 PM
Sencit you wrote:
"Surely this is high treason?
I am sorry but it is not. Treason is not longer on the statute books. Tony Blair got rid of it in 1997, it offended his masters in Brussels. He didn't go through parliament but got the Queen to annul it or what ever they do. A stoke of the Sovereign's pen and poof its gone. Nothing like British Democracy.
By the way the BNP have a JEWISH councilor on the Epping council. The BNP have come a long way since Griffin took over and I expect, they will bit the bullet and become more inclusive when they have a chance of wining in Parliament. They are basically decent Brits who have had enough mainly working class. More of the Middle class are joining, Griffin himself is a Cambridge law graduate. Being a first past the post electoral system they need about 20% of the vote country wide before it starts showing up in parliament. Parties can get several million votes in a general election and still have no members in Parliament. They have a hard furrow to plough but people like this idiot only make it easier. Keep on ranting Moon Loon.
Posted by: Holger Dansker at July 9, 2007 2:38 PM
I hereby nullify any and ALL Muslim claims of Islamic sovereignty over America and the United Kingdom. Now and Forever hence!!!
(Nice try, ragheads)!
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ps-I have just as much of a right to make such a claim as the ragheaded Muslims do!!!!
(The next time the killer-Zombies make such a 'claim' publicly, REAL citizens of both countries truly ought to open fire upon them).
Posted by: pythagoras at July 9, 2007 2:46 PM
Thanks, Holger Dansker. Can you please give me the person's name? I'm having an online debate with some Brit Conservatives about this.
Posted by: atheling at July 9, 2007 2:53 PM
The only reason Anjem Choudhury isn't locked up is that he's much cleverer than Captain Hook, and either of his friends Omar Bakri or Abu Izzadeen.
He is, and has been for a long time the most dangerous Jihadi in the UK. Nailing him would pull up a whole lot of roots.
Posted by: Un:dhimmi at July 9, 2007 3:50 PM
@ exsgtbrown & Abscedere -
FYI German Shepherd advice: be sure to get a German bred instead of an American bred - I've raised and worked both and the Germans are much steadier and more reliable. Even better, get a Black Russian Terrier. They were developed by the KGB during the cold war as guard/personal protection dogs. They crossed Giant Schnauzers with Rottweilers, Newfoundlands, German Shepherds and Airedales and came up with the best characteristics of all the breeds...I'll never have another breed after having this one! Schutzhund training is still a very good idea as you want control over such a large and powerful dog (they get upwards of 30" at the shoulder and can weigh over 130 lbs).
Posted by: mepeteart at July 9, 2007 3:59 PM
Dear atherling,
The name by the way is Pat Richardson, here is the link.
here is a couple more
http://www.think-israel.org/locke.bnp.html
This is the BNPs website
Enjoy
at July 9, 2007 4:11 PM
Thanks! It's all very helpful!
Posted by: atheling at July 9, 2007 4:17 PM
Naseem, I agree that exsgtbrown's solution is a bit too involved. Americans like simple things. And there are some who feel it would be much simpler just to put a round in every Muslim in the US until the ones still left alive leave. Muslims only make up about 1% of the American population, so it wouldn't be hard to do....
Your solution is just plain stupid, like you. But then under Pakistani law you're not even considered a true Muslim, are you?
at July 9, 2007 4:27 PM
Hey all -
I've been lurking here for a while and figured that this was as good a place as any to jump in. I am especially spurred on by exsgtbrown's first post in this thread. I have been blogging about this very subject cloaked in a zombie-apocalypse scenario (click my name).
Naseem is an idiot. I find preparedness to be exciting and empowering. I would love to teach the stuff. Any questions, PM me. As for the Quran, I suggest placing it next to the toilet where the roll normally goes.
Maybe it's just me, but I sense a growing awareness and unrest. Islam will NOT rule America. We'll kick those barbaric poo-heads to the curb.
Posted by: chopsaw13 at July 9, 2007 4:39 PM
Naseem
Atheling is an old Saxon (English) word meaning "Prince" "Lord" or implying “worthy of ruling” so now you have learned something more of the kuffur language perhaps you can start to learn some of our civilised customs.
BTW How are the goats?
at July 9, 2007 4:43 PM
Watch this moving video. Almost made me cry from joy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLzN7IxdhrA&NR=1
Posted by: Ameriki at July 9, 2007 4:51 PM
Why on earth don't they take these folks from their beds and deposit them in the desert somewhere in the ME with some bottled water and the suggestion that they pray to their god allah for rain?
It simply doesn't make sense.
Posted by: The Goobs at July 9, 2007 5:23 PM
Why on earth don't they wake these folks from their beds, load them on a cargo plane and deposit them in the desert somewhere in the ME with a can of beer and a ham sandwich?
Posted by: The Goobs at July 9, 2007 5:24 PM
Anyone have any other suggestions?
Posted by: The Goobs at July 9, 2007 5:26 PM
mepeteart any good working dog from the European continent is a good choice. l have a Belgian bred breed, survived the World Wars because they are so great. l think the Malinois best for those who want a bite the islamists koran lovin terrorists quickest, and for wanting the hardest bites on a koran handler, a good bouvier is best, their bite can break a islmaist's arm in no time.
Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at July 9, 2007 5:31 PM
Better an honest infil-traitor than a lying conciliator.
Islam is a cult that threatens death if you try to leave its clutches.
Until they revoke that homicidal dogma "If a person changes their religion, kill them!" (and how could they expunge it, since Mohammad - and therefore- Allah said it?)Muslims, from this moment, on should be forbidden entrance into any Civilized land.
And sent packing if they insist on believing this murderous lunacy once here.
Islam is anti-Constitutional and anti-Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
Time for the Big, One-Way Hadj.
They can re-apply to enter the West after Islam's violent suras are reformed out of the Koran.
Posted by: profitsbeard at July 9, 2007 6:13 PM
"allah" the pre-Islamic pagan Moon-god.
Can you imagine putting your butt up and whacking your head 5 times a day to something that doesn't exist?
Pitiful. So pathetic and pitiful there's not a word that describes it.
Posted by: darcy at July 9, 2007 6:25 PM
PMK posted at 2:20
"Those who opposed the immigration bill were denounced as nativists, bigots and xenophobes."
Yeah. It STILL rankles me that MY PRESIDENT called me a "hater". And he's trying to give MY country away to any interest group that happens to have a lobbyist...
I am a conservative who is NOT PLEASED.
Posted by: A_Nonny_Mouse at July 9, 2007 6:55 PM
Living in the woods in Alaska, I am occasionally visited by Moose and Grizzlies as well as Wolves and Coyotes. We have the usual druggies that like to burglarize isolated cabins like mine, as well as those that would destroy property for the fun of it.
I have had an Olde English Mastiff for about 2 years now, that I rescued from an abusive owner. he's 230 pounds of fierce loyalty. He has stood between me and a thousand pounds of angry Moose and would not back down. His nose is incredible as is his hearing. Since his arrival here, the only Moose I've seen since he confronted them have been going away from me at a quick pace. No more Wolf or Coyote tracks. To me...this is the dog to have. Better yet, two or three. I am preparing my home to breed them as I want to spread the joy of Mastiffs. These dogs go over 300 pounds quite 'often and the record is over 400. The record for weight pulling is held by a Mastiff...over 7000 pounds. I highly recommend the breed. I guarantee a Mastiff to strike terror into the heart of anyone that sees one coming at them hackles up and roaring. (They fought them in the Roman Coliseum against Bears,Lions and yes...Christians.)
I've been prepared for the whole survival thing for years as I am isolated enough that if society take a tumble I'll be very much on my own. My experience of the 64 quake taught me a great deal about survival. I have both winter and summer camos, gas masks and helmets. Body armor is quite cheap here in the U.S. and is easy to acquire. (Do a search for survival gear and I'm sure you will find all you need.)
I will not be easy to kill. I have been shooting since I was 5 years old and I am damn good at it after 45 years of practice. I know the land surrounding my home intimately. I have a variety of early warning devices strewn in those woods, and more to be deployed if the fit hits the shan...some more lethal than others.
So...bring it on. I have lots of friends who are also prepared to survive, and I will defend them as they will defend me. (Never mind the National Guard down the road from me. They have tanks, planes, helicopter gunships etc. and the people who man these weapons are my friends and neighbors...the people I fish with. My fellow Americans.)
Have I wasted my time and money? What if I never get to use my stuff? Great! That's how I would prefer it. I have no desire to kill, unlike many of our Muslim friends. However, I will not lie down for someone like Naseem to cut my head off because I won't put the Koran on a clean shelf in my home.
And Naseem,..I will pray for your poor lost soul...and I don't pray much as I'm not a religious man...but you need help. The brainwashing you have suffered has left you delusional.
at July 9, 2007 7:21 PM
DON'T WAIT ANY MORE, ATTACK THE MUSLIMS' MILITARY STRENGTH BEFORE THEY GET STRONGER
The West can never have a peaceful "meeting of the minds" w/ the Muslims. That is bc the Muslims actually devoutly believe the Koran.
There is never a change of government without there first being a war. Thus, the West is headed for a war with Islam as soon as Islam gets nuclear weapons and feels it has a bit of a chance against a much more powerful, much more intelligent adversary than they.
The Muslims have boldly declared their intentions: TOTAL ANNIHILATION OF OUR WAY OF LIFE. THey have declared it time and time again. We do nothing about it.
Destroy Iran's military and their nuclear bomb factories. Will this make Muslims angry? They are already angry! Making Muslims angry means you must be doing something right. Evil people get really really angry when good people stand up against them and don't let them get away with their murders.
EXPORT or EXILE all viciously protesting Muslim scum who condemn Blair, the Queen, and Bush to hell, while living in our nations and milking off our prosperity.
We need strong leadership. Liberals have no balls and hate the West anyways. What a screwed up world we live in.
at July 9, 2007 9:56 PM
To my fellow Australians: see page 311 of V S Naipaul, "Among the Believers" (1981; revised edition 2001). In the late 1970s he visited an Islamic school in Indonesia, at Pabelan, not far from Yogyakarta. I quote:
"Taufiq said [of the pupils], 'We move the younger ones around every ten days or so. For the interaction. Here it doesn't matter whether they are Javanese or Sundanese or Sumatrans. They're Indonesian [translation: they are Muslims, of the Ummah]. You see that boy?' he said to Prasojo. 'He's from Timor'.
Prasojo was interested. 'Which one?' [i.e., from West Timor or from East Timor].
'Timor' said Taufiq, and laughed. 'OUR NEWEST COLONY. SOON WE'LL BE COLONISING AUSTRALIA' [my emphasis added.]
Prasojo said, 'You mustn't SAY those things!'".
Unfortunately Naipaul doesn't give a surname for 'Taufiq'.
The process of 'colonising' Australia has already started - they are softening us up by border raids, not on livestock, but wholesale industrial-scale poaching in our inshore fisheries and clam and pearl beds.
Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at July 9, 2007 10:29 PM
Watch this moving video. Almost made me cry from joy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLzN7IxdhrA&NR=1
I loved this one too -- watched it several times! It should be required viewing on the BBC!
Posted by: witness at July 9, 2007 10:57 PM
Oh yes, may God save your Queen!
Posted by: witness at July 9, 2007 10:58 PM
The people of GB need to take advantage of Gatherings like these to rid themselfs of Aged Produce. A Giant Tossed Salad while getting rid of a few bad Apples and please, do NOT forget the Eggs. Properly aged of course.
Posted by: flowerknife_us at July 9, 2007 11:24 PM
Once Islam takes over the Earth, it will immediately look for other life in the universe. Upon finding any, and knowing it can't forcibly convert that life to Islam, due to the distances involved, it will launch Bussard Ramjet ships to slam into their suns at light speed to exterminate them all, via the ensuing novas.
For that is the will and the way of Islam.
Posted by: theoldman at July 10, 2007 1:47 AM
Once Islam takes over the Earth, it will immediately look for other life in the universe. Upon finding any, and knowing it can't forcibly convert that life to Islam, due to the distances involved, it will launch Bussard Ramjet ships to slam into their suns at light speed to exterminate them all, via the ensuing novas.
For that is the will and the way of Islam.
Posted by: theoldman at July 10, 2007 1:48 AM
Get your guns and lock n'lode...Britain (true British).
That muslim ape/pig man has spoke against your Queen. He spoke against Blair and state he come back in a box.
Only the blind will fall down. The wise will rise up and take Islam by its horns and destroy it! Time to cleanse our lands of the "disease". Why we waste our time with any Muslims is beyond me..they will never change their "forbidden minds" and evil intent. They worship allah which is non other than Satan. They say they are Religion of Peace.....well by george, I never saw a religion of peace who do killings, honor killings, destruction, burning with fires, beheadings. Peaceful? If that is peace...my hair must be blonde instead of black!
American's...be on guard here in our own country...these sleeper cells and compounds arent setting down being lazy for no reason..they got plans in store. Lock n' Lode...have the old dog at your feet! Coon dog... hound's...get um boy!
Posted by: Cher at July 10, 2007 1:48 AM
Islamists, Earth's own Daleks !
"Infidels!? Exterminate !, Exterminate !, Exterminate !"
Posted by: theoldman at July 10, 2007 1:51 AM
theoldman wrote: Islam ".....will launch Bussard Ramjet ships....."
Actually, theoldman, I suspect that if Islam were indeed to take over the world, then the future of mankind would be to live in the Mohammedan squalor that is so typical of the Islamic world until a giant asteroid hits and wipes out humanity.
In spite of all the multiculturalist claptrap, it was only Western Civilization that developed real science. Look at how badly the Ottoman Empire declined when it couldn't LEECH off of the West.
You are, of course, entirely correct that the greasy raghead bastards would WANT to destroy all non-Islamic life. Just as CANCER is fundamentally inimical to everything that is not cancer, Islam is fundamentaly inimical to everything that is not Islam.
at July 10, 2007 3:01 AM
bring it on ! Im allready prepared! I cant wait for these girly little boys to try and take over !its about time we tell them all were to go and it sure aint to heaven with there seventy two whores { i mean virgins} !!! and naseem , hey girl why dont you come here to michigan I would like to talk to you about a few things ! I know a lot of pig farmers ! pigs will eat anything ! even useless pieces of dung like you !!!!! now shut up and have a lovely day ! oh and read the bible to because you sure are going to need it to save your ass when you pissants pipe up here and try anything .
Posted by: psycopatt1 at July 10, 2007 3:42 AM
also naseem I personally have ensured that your raghead brothers here , michigan , will forever be neeling on pork bones !!! encased in there new mosque floors !!! ah yes and facing west you little bitch !!!! pork chops for you naseem !!!!!
Posted by: psycopatt1 at July 10, 2007 4:01 AM
sorry in my anger I wrote west , the pork chop bones are centered and facing east , I just love the west so much !!
Posted by: psycopatt1 at July 10, 2007 4:05 AM
Let them rant...obviously they haven't done "the math".
Posted by: jcom972 at July 10, 2007 6:09 AM
CITE:
Your strategy seems like really hard work...tiring and boring....here'a an alternative.
Learn the sahada...recite the koran, keep a framed picture of Mecca in your lounge.
Put up a shelf, clean it and put the koran there.
Go to prayers on friday, give up alcholol, smoking and clubbing (these are bad for your health anyway) and get to know your local imam properly....
Learn the tenents of sharia lite and obey them...rest of the time...Sit back,
and relax.
END CITE
Naseem, you can't be serious. It's much too ridiculous. What's not funny is our future if something is not done very quickly.
-----------------------------------
Don't call me Islamophobe. I am angered, I am enraged, I am full of hate. But I am NOT AFRAID.
at July 10, 2007 6:20 AM
Assalamau Laikum psycopatt1, Tookson, Alaskan,
I am indeed sad to read your willingness to kill, I share no willingness to do the same. My goal as always has only been peaceful Dua.
Why is it so hard for you to bow to Allah SWT. Allow him to be your lord and there is no need for this silliness.
You need to understand that guns and bombs are not the answer...belief in Allah SWT is the only answer.
The Koran says in Surat Al-R'ad ['The Thunder' chapter]. 'The disaster will keep striking the unbelievers for what they have done, or it will strike areas close to their territory, until the promise of Allah comes to pass, for, verily, Allah will not fail in His promise.' [Koran 13:31]."
I am sure that your guns cannot standup to what this it says in this sura....mighty Allah SWT is all merciful...put them down and believe ...for in this is OUR salvation (yours and mine).
Peace be all from Merciful Allah SWT...do not test his patience...or we will all suffer won't we.
at July 10, 2007 6:23 AM
Naseem...I think I made it clear that I have no desire to kill. I have a fierce desire to remain free. I will not submit. I will not join you. I will oppose those who spread Islam by the sword. I will not be silent until the terror spread by your brethren is at an end and the people of the earth are allowed to choose their own faiths without fear of losing their heads for choosing a faith other than Islam. I will continue to speak out in defense of the Christian schoolgirls returning home in Indonesia, who were assaulted by grown men with machetes, in the name of your God, because they are not Muslims...not just because they are Christians. When the most devout and holy of your leaders truly and without equivocation renounces the violence of Jihad and "moderate Muslims" begin to turn in those who plot terror, then I will begin to believe that Islam is a religion of peace. And don't hand me that crap about some of them saying killing the innocent is a bad thing...we all know that in the eyes of old Mo', if you aren't a Muslim, you aren't an innocent.
No Naseem, I have no desire to kill...but I will defend my life from those who would take it, or those who would take my freedom, and submission to Islam is giving up my freedom of choice in almost all areas of my life.. And you Naseem, want me to submit to your religion. You have stated so repeatedly. I will not. Your religion is nothing more than a clever tool for the subjugation of your fellow man. I don't give a damn what religion you are...as long as you don't try to stuff it down my throat, and that is what Jihad is all about.
at July 10, 2007 7:23 AM
Muslims declare sovereignty over U.S., UK.
I am wondering? Who will be king or queen of all the US & UK farmer's millions of pigs in both countries? They'd have to take the bad with the good or take nothing at all!!
I heard Rusty's show on the foaming mouthed, rabid preacher stirring the musses.
I'd say the recent knighting put both countries on equals in their red eyes.
MK
There is much intelligence read in all the posts above this one! You all are one tough bunch!
Posted by: Malaria_Kidd at July 10, 2007 7:58 AM
All posts except for one.
Posted by: Malaria_Kidd at July 10, 2007 8:04 AM
Hmmm...1967 Six-Day War.
In which the Israelis, sorely outnumbered by the Muslims, kicked the asses of Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Saudi Arabia.
Nope, there's definitely no "Allah."
As ex-Muslim Ali Sina says, "Allah" is a figment of the Muslims' imagination. Muhammed the illiterate Murdering Warlord is the con man of all time.
Posted by: darcy at July 10, 2007 8:47 AM
In my opinion, the muslims are suffering from an inferiority complex. They have given nothing substantial to the world except their stupid beliefs and religion. Till the Ottoman empire ended, atleast they had contributed to the arts. From then on, they have not done anything but wage wars, fight with others and each other! All the advancement that is happening in some Islamic countries now like the UAE, Saudi, Oman, Bahrain, etc are a result of importing western talent and cheap asian labour. They are just reaping the rewards of the oil in their sand.
They are never going to understand what it means to be enlightened. So trying to make them understand is a sheer waste of time. The best retaliation to their incitement of voilence is stringent punishment and deportation,whereever possible.
Some gall they have to talk like they own the world!
at July 10, 2007 10:40 AM
It is almost amusing for those of us that have fought in the middle east and elsewhere, when an agent of pisslam threatens us with all the terrible things they will do and the inevitability of pisslam conquest. Arabs (used inclusively) are absolute cowards on the battlefield. Yes they can terrorize their own, but against real Soldiers - they are laughable.
Sadly, this is why the Iraqi Army will fail in their own task. They are from the same cut of cloth. That is why they are not worth fighting for in the first place. I say pull out and leave them to whatever befalls them and NUKE THE MF's if they attack us agin after we leave. Turn Mecca into a gaping F**king hole in the ground and make glass paper weights for the Israelis.But knowing that won't happen either.. just continue to be vigilant.
at July 10, 2007 10:56 AM
We're dicks! We're reckless, arrogant, stupid dicks. And Liberals are pussies. And Islamic terrorists are assholes. Pussies don't like dicks, because pussies get fucked by dicks. But dicks also fuck assholes: assholes that just want to shit on everything. Pussies may think they can deal with assholes their way. But the only thing that can fuck an asshole is a dick, with some balls. The problem with dicks is: they fuck too much or fuck when it isn't appropriate - and it takes a pussy to show them that. But sometimes, pussies can be so full of shit that they become assholes themselves... because pussies are an inch and half away from ass holes. I don't know much about this crazy, crazy world, but I do know this: If you don't let us fuck these assholes, we're going to have our dicks and pussies all covered in shit!
You know it make sense! ;-) lol...
Posted by: Geeza at July 11, 2007 3:32 AM
hey naseem , once again kiss my ass ! your religion and its followers threaten to kill us everyday ! I would never bow down to your false god or even the one the christians worship ! the problem is you take what a book writen hundreds of years ago say for fact , how are you sure of any of it !! and trust me girlfriend it would not be with bombs and guns that I would dispatch a useless person like you ! what do you think the pig farmer comment meant ? they [pigs ] will literally eat anything !!! your allah is a joke ,wake up and see it ,also my guns that I do own will suceed when needed! I'M a very ,very good shot !!! allah will fail you will fail ,you can believe that if you want to believe something !I will allways test his patience and yours it is my duty as an AMERICAN citizen to do so , once again kiss my AMERICAN ass you dung pile ,welcome to the AMERICAN jihad you asswipe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: psycopatt1 at July 11, 2007 3:50 AM
Ugh, Marisol, please delete Geeza's post...
Posted by: atheling at July 11, 2007 4:07 PM
I don't know why everyone is upset at Naseem. She just wants us to be happy! All we have to do is give up every freedom we have. Reminds me of a Star Trek episode. The Return of the Archons. Landru...join the body...be happy. Bunch o' damn Zombies with every aspect of their lives laid out for them. No independent thought necessary or allowed. Just like Islam.
Posted by: Alaskan at July 11, 2007 4:19 PM
"Actually, theoldman, I suspect that if Islam were indeed to take over the world, then the future of mankind would be to live in the Mohammedan squalor that is so typical of the Islamic world until a giant asteroid hits and wipes out humanity.
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I tend to agree with you, Patriot. But their hate of all things living and joyful just might hang them together long enough to do it.
- oldman
Posted by: theoldman at July 11, 2007 10:42 PM
The jihadist way of seeing the world has blocked what it means to be human. They ignore contemporary history, and the damaging aspects of Islam. They need a more accurate understanding and description of the human experience. Muslims can be rational, mature, and constructive. Reformers must twist and turn past obstacles, if their society is less the optimal. They do not want the limiting and narrow view of fundamentalism. They can develop and see past ancient, supernatural, and dangerous narratives. The selfish and antisocial behavior may lead to rejection and self annihilation.
Muslims may not realize the greater potential, and the many alternative ways of building societies. More resources can be put into schools for males and females, and other institutions of modern education. Education allows the pathway, transition, and development into a higher stage. The ancient order can decay. Cooperation is encouraged, instead of promoting anti social behavior in fundamentalist mosques.
The earth is small but jihadists, like a cancer, turn against society. They claim their divine texts reveal a human moral collapse, but their destructive actions are the real cause.
Jihadists are an evolutionary threat. They kill infidels, and those following a different version of Islam. They embrace modern technology, but hope to destroy the inventors. They demand Sharia, but move to western countries. They see through a 7th century lens. They are narrowly fixated on honor and tradition, and have a child’s idea about women and marriage. Fear and collectivism is embraced, instead of unique and individual thought. They want to see the fanatical dreams come true.
Jihadists try to destroy western culture. They also know modern societies may respond. We can figure out ways to change them. Their fear of the Islamic narrative is unnecessary. They can awaken. Some successful societies have moved beyond the base level need for fear and revenge. It is understood, humans are molded by their culture. Humans may evolve, when they see others with a higher purpose. A more social, good-natured, self-aware, positive, and curious behavior can be found.
We know our intellectual needs are unique and abstract, in terms of time and space. Curiosity is unbounded. We benefit from the contributions of past generations. We want to evolve, and improve the next generation. Our social contract compels us to participate, organize, and interact with society, on a global scale. Advanced communication systems allow us to pursue and accomplish anti-jihadist goals at an accelerated pace.
at July 12, 2007 12:08 AM
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