...Muslims seem to be issuing a lot of deadlines lately....sometimes it is better to go unannounced...

Posted by: exsgtbrown at July 9, 2007 7:50 AM

'My Allah is better than yours'- nails it:

http://sheikyermami.com/2006/12/19/my-allah-is-better/

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at July 9, 2007 7:56 AM

How well must the campiagn by the coalition be doing when its' ellusive enemy is not discussing withdrawal or truce's or any other matter that could lead one to hypothesize that we may be winning. Instead, the enemy is issuing ultimatims to its next target. Of course it could be just bluster, but does this sound anything like an enemy effected by a surge?

Posted by: Leave Iraq Now at July 9, 2007 8:10 AM

How well must the campiagn by the coalition be doing when its' ellusive enemy is not discussing withdrawal or truce's or any other matter that could lead one to hypothesize that we may be winning. Instead, the enemy is issuing ultimatims to its next target. Of course it could be just bluster, but does this sound anything like an enemy effected by a surge?

Posted by: Leave Iraq Now at July 9, 2007 8:12 AM

Sheik
ROTFLMAO!
Excellent work!

Had a listen to some others. The spouse and I were in fits!

"Otherwise, expect a fierce war that will annihilate you, which we have been preparing for over the past four years and just waiting to issue the orders to wage the campaign," the voice said."

Hmm,,I think I would take him seriously. Walid Shoebat says something like;
"what part of "kill" don't you understand"?

Posted by: Gramfan at July 9, 2007 8:20 AM

I'll believe it when I see it.

Posted by: Dave at July 9, 2007 8:23 AM

What an idea. Who would have thought that because of Islam itself, the aggression and violence throughout the Qur'an, Hadith, and Sira, directed at the Infidels, a world-view where violence and deception are endemic, and where one never compromises with one's enemy, though one may temporarily feign friendship with that enemy (the Infidels), and where one may make treaties with that Infidel, but only as long as the treaties have no lasting value, but will be breached by the Muslim side, just as soon as they believe themselves strong enough to do so, so that any and all "peace" treaties between Muslims and Infidels are, at best, "hudnas" or "truce treaties" that should ordinarily last ten years, though where necessity or "darura" demands, may be observed a bit longer.

And since Islam is not only the tenets that can be derived from the passages of the Qur'an, and the stories in the Hadith, and the details of the life of Muhammad as recounted in the Sira, since it is a bit more than the Holy Law of Islam, or Shari'a, derived by Islamic scholars long ago from that Qur'an, those Hadith, that Sira,but is also what has frequently been called here the "attitudes" and "atmospherics" of Islam, it is not only the texts but the attitudes and atmospheris of Islam, the kind of minds, and the kinds of views of the world, that societies suffused with Islam naturally create (and it does not even take a society; an individual Believer, living among Infidels, can quietly, on his own, reading the texts, become infected with the same attitudes and can create his own atmospherics, for what is not, alas, his own private Islam -- but Islam as it is), that Islam views the possible outcomes of struggle as those of conquerer and conquered, the one to whom one submits and those who submmit, the Victor and the Vanquished.

Al Qaeda in Iraq, says the Administration, will "take over" Iraq if the American troops leave. And so do others -- the kagans and kristols, the loyal chocolate soldiers on this side of the ocean, and still, their numbers steadily diminishing, a Kilcullen of Arabia or two, gasconading to a female journalist about how many of the "enemy" he has personally dispatched which, therefore, prsumably, a sudden expert on grand strategy in withstanding the forces of Jihad everywhere, and on how to wage approriate war when the main weapoons of the enemy, the Money Weapon, and campaigns of Da'wa, and demographic conquest in the West, are not affected in the slightest by how many thousands of continuously replenishable Al Qaeda members are killed in Anbar Province.

And at the very same time that the Administration, at the end of its intellectual and rhetorical tether, tells us that Al Qaeda, with a few thousand men, can "take over Iraq" if the Americans leave, it at the same time tells us that that same uber-Sunni organizqation is now having trouble with other Sunnis, having trouble with the "Anbar tribes" (how wonderful it is, isn't it, the way political figures and commentators can suddenly, knowingly, with great assurance, hear a new phrase, such as "the Anbar tribes" -- and then use that phrase with assurance, even self-confident abandon, and still feel no need to analyze exactly what this phrase must mean; what fun to be a pundit, and rearrange forces, or keep them stuck, in Tarbaby Iraq). So here we have the mighty organization of Al Qaeda in Iraq, which has declared war on Shiites in Iraq, calling them "Rafidite dogs" who are even more treacherous than the run-of-the-mill American and other Western Infidels (the Crusaders/Zionists we all know), who of course are the declared enemies of the Kurds, who have no rights in Mosul or Kirkuk or for that matter anywherre else because Al Qaeda, while "universalist" ini the same way as Islam claims to be "universalist," is all about the Arabs, and about Arab supremacist claims, and would never support the claims of a non-Arab Muslim people if those claims were made against
Arab interests, as with the Kurds, or the Berbers in North Africa, or black African Muslims in Darfur.

And what makes the absurdity still more absurd, in the entire confused and topsy-turveydom that public discussion of the iraq War -- by those who continue to support it, by those who have stopped supporting it, by those who never supported it, by those who are now eager to see the Americans leave -- so many different positioins, and so many of them withhout any grasp of the overall picture, or how and why what should be the most obvious things can and should be achieved not despite but because of an American withdrawal -- has become, is that the same Administration that tells us that "Al Qaeda" will take over also mutters darkly about how the Iranian agents are everywhere and that Iran, or forces loyal to Iran, will "take over."

And it is true, that the Shi'a in Iraq have now been-- what's that awful and modish word -- "empowered" --- that is, they have acquired power, and the habit of exercising power, and while they were, under the disguised Sunni despotism of Saddam Hussein (its "Ba'athism" merely a means to pretend that Shia and Kurds, and even the odd Christian -- Tariq Aziz was odd, after all -- could be members of the ruling party, as long as they showed a willingness not to oppose rule by, in effect, Sunni Arabs -- just as the Syrian version of "Ba'athism" permits some slight, face-saving camouflage for an Alawite despotism, in which some Sunni Arabs, and Christians, can participate if they accept the Alawite rules of the game), unused to wielding military power, thanks to the Americans training what they, the Americans, thought was an "Iraqi" army and an "Iraqi" police, the Shi'a have thrown off their long habit of meek-and-mild turning the other cheek, as their "Shi'a militia" have demonstrated.

The Sunnis, of course, think the Shi'a today are the same Shi'a of Iraq that they managed to dominate and suppress duriing the entire history of modern Iraq. But they are wrong. And they are also wrong about other things. As Muslims, they have been discouraged at every turn from the habit of free and skeptical inquiry and encouraged, instead, in the habit of mental submission. This has consequences in their grasp of reality. They keep saying, and many of them keep believing, that they constitute, at a minimum, some 42% of the population. They fail to realize, or come to grips with, the fact that the Shi'a have not only outbred them, but over time, some of the formerly Sunni tribes have become more and more Shii'a (see an article by Nakash on this), and that at present, the Sunni Arabs constitute less than 20% of the population. And that population is concentrated in two places: Anbar Province, and Baghdad. In Baghdad, fabled Baghdad, the Baghdad of Sunni Arab dreams af past (a past which, psychologically, must forever be as real, or realer, than the present) Islamic glory, the Sunni Arabs have over the past few years been driven out, and now cannot be more than 15% of the population. How, exactly, will those remaining Sunnis stay on, if there is a Sunni revolt, or an "Al Qaeda" revolt, against the Shi'a? And do the Sunnis realize that the Iran-Iraq border, the one set in 1847 by the Treaty of Erzerum between the Ottoman and the Persian Empires (a treaty which the Czar of Russia helped to bring about) is porous, and do they realize that the Iranian agents are not only in Iraq now, b but cannot, not by the Americans, and not by Al Qaeda, be removed? Or is it that, with a certain panic, they do indeed realize this, and are doing what Muslim Arabs have done before -- did in May and the very beginnng of June 1967, did in October 1973, and do whenever they go to war --which is to engage in a great deal of huffing, and puffing, and I'll-blow-your-house-downing, and what's more, believe their own rhetoric.

Look at Al Qaeda threatening Iran. Now begin to consider if you really think that the Administration's claim that we must remain in Iraq to avoid "catastrophe" is the right idea, or if you are beginning, if you haven't already over the past three years, begun to see the sense, the wisdom -- of the notion that the war in Iraq is "won" if it leads to a weakening of the Camp of Islam, not if "ordinary moms and dads" in Iraq taste that "freedom" which George Bush maintains is a universal passion, and further maintaints that those who are skeptical that Believers in Islam share,m or could possiblly share, if they remain Believers, the Western notions about political legitimacy that gave rise to the modern, advanced democracies of the West. And it naturally follows that the weakening of the Camp of Islam, in Iraq, can be obtained only by, and indeed very well by, doing nothing to prevent -- and the Americans have been moving heaven and earth to prevent -- the ethnic (Arab/Kurd) and sectarian (Sunni/Shi'a) fissures, fissures which were pre-existing, which the Americans did not and could not have caused, and which were only rendered, to many as it turns out (Wolfowitz: "Iraq has no history of ethnic conflict": Rice; "They will just have to get over it [the Sunni-Shia conflict]), and which, in the case of the sectarian conflict, will naturally cause co-religionists on both sides, as a matter of pride and politics, to send in "volunteers" and money and war materiel, and what's more, there will be consequences for Sunni-Shi'a relations in Bahrain, in Eastern Saudi Arabia, in Yemen, in Kuwait, in Lebanon, in Pakistan, places where the Shi' a have rightly felt discriminated against, and have in the past demnstrated, or rioted, or tried to fight back against the Sunnis who either suppressed them (as in Saudi Arabia), or denied them political power (as in Bahrain, with a Sunni ruler and a population that is 70-75% Shi'a), or tried to force them to submit to Sunni rule (the Shi'a Zaidis of northern Yemen), or kept them, as they see it, impoverished and out of the corridors of power (as in Lebanon), or subjected them to campaigns of terror (as in Paksitan, with the Sunni group Sipaha-e-Sahaba).

This is what constitutes "victory" for the Infidels. You can read about it -- you have read about it, right here, in deliberately repetitive articles bearing various titles -- "Victory Lies Shininig Before Us" is one -- by looking through JW archives, or clicking on "Articles" above.

Posted by: Hugh at July 9, 2007 8:34 AM

Hah! Hah! Hah!!!!!!!

Ahmadinejad must be quaking in his boots!!!

We can lose the foolhardy notion that all Shiites in Iraq consider themselves Iraqis first and Shia second. Forget the idea that because Iranians are Persian the Arabs of southern Iraq will not make common cause with them. Neither side had a problem with Iran hosting the "exiles" during Saddam's reign. To this day they have no problem working together against the US. There is more that unites than divides them. The Islamic State of Iraq is a minority of a minority.

Given a fight between the Islamic State of Iraq and the Islamic Republic of Iran, my money is on Iran. They have the ruthlessness to fight dirty, and they have the kids and, as we have seen before, they are not afraid to sacrifice their children for the cause of Allah.

Posted by: PMK at July 9, 2007 8:36 AM

It is certainly a when, not an if, and only a matter of time. The sooner, the better.

Get the hell out of there...now.

Posted by: awake at July 9, 2007 8:51 AM

I bet you people that the US, Uk, Saudi Arabia, The Judeo-Nazi state and lets' not forget a "valuable" ally in the war on terror, Macedonia, which most blonde Americans never heard of, are all behind arming and training Al qaida in Iraq to turn against the Iranians. Rememeber the old adage," the enemy of my enemy is my friend".
Ex-lover of jesus and no lover of Judeo-Nazis.

Posted by: progressive at July 9, 2007 8:57 AM

We need to bug out, now. I mean with half-eaten meals in the chow hall. NOW! These people are out of their bleepin' 7th century minds. Not a single member of the Third Infantry Division is worth the sacrifice.

Posted by: Bingo at July 9, 2007 9:09 AM

Good! Let them all be so pre-occupied with fighting each other that they expend their energies there instead of focusing on the West - clashes between Iraq and Iran, between radical and not-so-radical Pakistanis, between radical and less radical citizens of Turkey, between Hamas and Fatah in Palestine, between radicals and less radicals in Thailand - whom have I left out?

Cinder

Posted by: Cinder at July 9, 2007 9:26 AM

@progressive

nobody likes you either.

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at July 9, 2007 9:44 AM

Hugh,
When the Sunnis claim to represent 42% of the population, aren't the Arab Sunnis suddenly claiming the Kurdish Sunnis (whom they despise) as brothers? Isn't that where they get that number? Proof that politics makes strange bedfellows.

Won't the Kurds suffer just as much under a Shiite government as they did under Saddam?

Posted by: PMK at July 9, 2007 9:52 AM

""We give ... the leaders of Iran a period of two months to stop all forms of support to the rejectionists of Iraq, and stop direct and indirect interference in the affairs of the Islamic state," said a voice attributed to the group's leader Abu Omar Al Baghdadi."

Promises, promises.

Yawn or roar?

Marked my calendar for September 9th, but I won't hold my breath.

Hugh, is this reference to Nakash you mentioned?

Posted by: justamomof4 at July 9, 2007 10:17 AM

I can’t imagine al Qaeda surviving a Shiite Iraqi regime. They hate each other intensely. All we have to do is step back and let the fighting begin.

The ethnic-cleansing of Sunni from Baghdad has brought a few Sunni tribes to reject the failed jihad of al Qaeda. Of course our military and our administration take the face-saving “we never really liked al Qaeda” explanation for the sudden switch of a few tribal leaders in Anbar. But who are they kidding? They’ve lost and the Shiites want revenge. The pathetic desperate threats against Iran show the desperation of al Qaeda’s lost cause.

Our administration wants to stop the fighting. Of course, Islam was invented to stop infighting among quarreling tribes to facilitate attacks on others. Such internecine warfare should be welcomed. We have it backwards.

Posted by: JasonP at July 9, 2007 10:20 AM

Kind of funny...I just saw a clip on the news about how Iran was becomeing the training ground for Al Qaeda. So which is it? Or has the press become so inept that the enemy sees them as a tool to keep us all confused?

Oh Yeah, Progressive, don't spout out unless you have something to back it up. Until you can do that, you'll just be a funny old troll that everyone will try to feed.

Posted by: never_submit at July 9, 2007 10:25 AM

Al Qaeda gets its weapons, money, and training from Saudi Arabia....and Saudi Arabia does not like Iran....go figure...

Posted by: exsgtbrown at July 9, 2007 10:38 AM

If an Al Qaeda Sunni dies in a Martyrdom operation, killing an Iranian Shia in the process, which one goes to paradise?

Posted by: rational at July 9, 2007 10:50 AM

House of Saud threatens House of Khomeini….

Ummmm….

Woohoo!!!

Go get each other boys!!!

After all, when Sunni and Shia slaughter each other, they’re not slaughtering you and me, historically.

Posted by: senor doeboy at July 9, 2007 11:23 AM

has anyone considerd that this is a ploy by Iran itself to give legitemacy to send its regular army in force into Iraq as a preemptive strike to protect its sovereignty,and ultimatly fight the Great Satan.Think about this,Iran can't win against us using proxy fighters so it needs an excuse to send tanks and planes alnog with ground ponders over,as well as get at all that tasty Iraqi oil,well a threat of war by some piss ant group that has nothing more than car bombs and RPGs,they'll start screaming that this is an American proxy army and bang zoom here is the Iranian army crossing Iraqi borders.this could be a good thing to unite Iraq as Fighting those idiot Persians will stir up the unified nationalism of the good old days of the Iran /Iraq war and put that "superior" Iranian army in the sites of our Air Force and the bad is it brings on all out war in the entire region with us(the USA) right in the middle.

Posted by: SAtarzan at July 9, 2007 11:26 AM

Regressive (Progressive) not worthy of reply-same as talking to a rock & waiting for an answer...oops...er,ah...I mean Allah.

Leave Iraq Now:

Instead of regurgitating the chocolate-covered "brown-stuff" you so willingly consume from your overlords in the (lame)MSM why don't you think for yourself?The coalition campaign IS making progress.

With a lil effort on your part you might not be so clueless concerning the latest missive from al-Qaeda on Iran.War is DECEIT you bonehead & the A-rabs are very good at it.

Here's a modern day "Ernie Pyle" war correspondent who is INDEPENDENT & reports the TRUTH good or bad.Read his latest from Baquoba and the full text of his postings.

**Caution**-some pix are hard to look at !
http://www.michaelyon-online.com

Posted by: billybob at July 9, 2007 11:28 AM

Sorry about my bad spelling (Baqubah is correct) in above post.

Be sure to read dispatch "Bless the Children & Beasts".

Posted by: billybob at July 9, 2007 11:37 AM

Ex-lover of jesus:

This morning I was given a vision that disturbed me somewhat. Not knowing the meaning of this vision I shared it with my brothers.
What I had seen was a beautiful garden. This garden was enclosed by a tall wall. In the centre of the garden flowed a stream of the clearest water I had ever seen. As my eyes followed this stream to its source they fixed upon that a young man of no more than 20 years. His face was sullen and stared towards the ground. I could see him striking the ground with his fist and sobbing. I shouted out to him but he could not hear me.
Brother Michael says he's unsure but believes this could be you. What the brethren have decided to do is to fast for 72 hours and see if an interpretation is given. I will keep you informed my friend. Now touch your screen to receive His blessing. Come.

Posted by: western infidel at July 9, 2007 11:43 AM

Macedonia, which most blonde Americans never heard of

You are a wanker progressive.

Posted by: interestinconundrum at July 9, 2007 11:46 AM

Three different posters ask three different questions:

#1.

Won't the Kurds suffer just as much under a Shiite government as they did under Saddam?

No, they won't. The Shia will have Baghdad and all of the south, and the port of Umm Qasr (nicely dredged by the British), and the oilfields of the south. They will fight if attacked -- the Sunnis will attack them -- but will not fight to keep "Iraq" intact. That doesn't mean that there cannot be low-level fighting among Kurds and both kinds of Arabs in the potential powder-keg of Kirkuk, but the aggressive Sunnis, who have been taking revenues from the oilfields under Kurdistan for the past sixty years, and spending it on themselves, are the greater threat. Besides, Arab supremacism is strongest among the Sunnis, not the Shi'a.

#2.

is this reference to Nakash you mentioned?

No, I had in mind an article by Nakash that in the title mentions the shi'a prosellytizing among Iraqi tribes.

#3.

"has anyone considerd that this [a statement from Al Qaeda] is a ploy by Iran itself to give legitemacy to send its regular army in force into Iraq as a preemptive strike to protect its sovereignty,and ultimatly fight the Great Satan.Think about this,Iran can't win against us using proxy fighters so it needs an excuse to send tanks and planes..."

No, unless that "anyone" chooses to believe that Iran is ventriloquent and can issue statements that are fully consonant with the desires of Al Qaeda. The reason for the statement being given is that Al Qaeda -- having suffered from Sunni hostility among those "Anbar tribes" that Kilcullen of Arabia knowledgeably distinguishes and carefully parses, to the great admiration, apparently, of those who, not knowing more, and not taking into account the larger strategic picture, are wowed by that confident stream of strine, that "I-know-the-natives-because-I've-studied-their-every-detail" shtick -- not everyone in the U.S. Army, so I've heard, is quite so quick to admire Kilcullen of Arabia, and his exchanges, or the excerpts from them that have been put up here, with Diana West, are merely embarrassing-- wishes by invoking Iran to re-create a broad Sunni front. They've done all they can to arouse anger against the Infidel Americans but those Infidel Americans are for now a source -- yes, to those "Anbar tribes" -- of weaponry and protection. The Iranians, on the other hand, are not only Shi'a and hence "Rafidite dogs," but "Persians," non-Arabs, hence treacherous, with all the treachery that Arabs attribute to Persians (and the reverse is also true). Take that as what it is: a statement by Al Qaeda in Iraq, made for the purposes of both warning off Iran, should it try anything now or when the Americans leave, and also in rallying a pan-Sunni front.

End of story.

Posted by: Hugh at July 9, 2007 11:49 AM

2 months is too generous. Give 'em 2 days.

Posted by: champ at July 9, 2007 11:49 AM

There is the notion, expressed above, that different Islamic groups can’t help each other because they hate each other. What happens is that they do indeed align but afterwards they stab each other in the back. It happens all the time in Arab and Islamic societies and I can rattle off a dozen examples. Any attempt to deduce that A won’t align with B is flawed. Exploiting divisions within the Islamic camp is wise but believing that we have friends is dangerous self-deception.

Posted by: JasonP at July 9, 2007 11:54 AM

The US should withdraw as a tactic, not a surrender.
The only US presence should be on the distant perimiter, and honoring whatever comittment it has with Israel. Protecting the oil fields is important, but they are vulnerable to missiles, if the enemies want to destroy them. Then let them go at it. Since these fanatics seem to like to fight to the death,
eventually there will only be one man standing.
Then the US ect, can lay down the law to that man, or take him out if they wish. None of that will end jihadi terrorism. The gates of Islamic hell have been opened. The only way to get the demon back in the magick triangle is with a magickal sword.
In other words, a heavy handed approach by the gate keeper. The entire Ummah has to be pacified. Muslims have to be put in the position that jihad is a losing proposition. Stop all muslim immigration. Profiling is an absolute. Clerics in western countrys, that utter one word of anything other than the nice verses in the Quran, or preaching hate and discontent, of any kind, would be subject to arrest deportation. An amnesty period could be given for illegal muslims to turn themselves in for deportation. Those caught after that would go to jail, and deported later, much later.
Trade and investements would be stopped and withdrawn. Accounts in banks, not just frozen, siezed. No exports, no imports for the Ummah.
Change US currency, and refuse to redeam the old money from Ummah channels. Recind tax exempt staus for Islam, and redefine Islam as not a religion but a psuedo-religious political group, with hostile intentions. Keep them fighting among themselves, where ever possible. Exploit the Shia/Sunni rift, to keep them distracted from attacking outside themselves. Cause Islam to
convulse by deliberatly 'hurting their feelings',
by continually confronting them with the truth.
Expose Allah, expose the Quran. Insult Mohammad by telling the truth about him. And at the same time
keep up the 'military' options. There are lot more that could be added.
These ideas have nothing to do with 'hate', they are war tactics. Nothing personal, it's just business...

Posted by: duh_swami at July 9, 2007 12:08 PM

FOX News Anchor: "So what is the best answer, just step back and let them kill each other?"

FOX News Expert: "Sounds pretty attractive."

General Winter, make way for General Mohammed.

Posted by: pez at July 9, 2007 12:49 PM

Treat Progressive Dementia like a pimple.

If you ignore it it'll go away.

Posted by: atheling at July 9, 2007 1:16 PM

Greetings:

There have been reports on the Fourth Rail website about Al-Qaeda operating in, around, and through Iran so this may be deception to take some pressure off Iran.

My brother and I against my cousin; My cousin and I against the stranger.

Posted by: 11B40 at July 9, 2007 2:28 PM

Ya did it again Hugh, right on! Exactly! The same as what they did in Lebanon. Then the Palestian camp! All bull! Lies! Admadmanjews thinks no one figured it out. How stupid we all are and if we did, it will be to late anyways!

Posted by: MZ at July 9, 2007 3:56 PM

Bingo....well said.

Things seem to be heating up in the ME. Turkey has 140,000 troops on the Northern Iraq border. Syria is in Lebanon and telling Syrians to get out. Iran has been making threats, meeting with Syria, meeting with Venezuela, Cuba, etc. Those looking for the 12th Imam believe he will come to southern Iran, gather an army and fight all the way to Syria. Hmmmmm

Islam and democracy cannot work. Can someone tell the idiots in Washington? It's not in their ability to even THINK in a democratic manner. They are brainwashed from birth by a non-democratic false religion.

I have been saying for a long time that not a DROP of our kids blood should be shed in the ME. No matter what we did for them, they wouldn't appreciate it. They are NOT worth it. Unfortunately, big worldwide oil and world-wide corporations (globalists) seem to have different ideas. Bring our kids home. Let the Muslims blow each other up.....save us the trouble.

Posted by: The Goobs at July 9, 2007 5:17 PM

Let the war commence. I cant wait.
And preferably get Bush to see sense and pull out all troops.

I bet the first thing Al Baghdadi does is destroy Iran's only Oil terminal. Bring Iran to its knees.

Posted by: UK Infidel Lover at July 9, 2007 6:12 PM

One other factor in why they haven't committed their em masse attacks...yet.
Regardless, I wish them a long and healthy war...

Posted by: jcom972 at July 9, 2007 8:06 PM

Iraq's Al Qaeda threatens to attack Iran

I wonder if that means they are a puppet of Bush. Since they are willing to do the dirty work for him.

Posted by: screaming_eagle at July 9, 2007 10:37 PM

Billy-bob

I've seen Yon's site before and at your invitation looked again.

I fully appreciated the numerous acts of heroism performed by our troops fightin' them there A-Rabs, on regular basis that Yon reports.

However, what Yon does not report, that I can locate, (if I overlooked, I'll allow you to show me, heck show everyone here) what true "progress" this war has made towards achieving the stated mission, as declared by our commander in chief. Perhaps Yon is able to report successful skirmishes here and there. There are no doubt some. But progress? I'll let you treat me to evidence of that.

Remember, Billybob, progress is of course a relative thing. We've been in Iraq over 4 years; spent over $880 billion, 3500+ lives. For all this, some progress should not be too difficult to locate don't you think? I've looked, not exhaustively, and I see none.

I read, and excuse me if my sources happen to be various MSM outlets but perhaps I am not as "linked" to the inside scoop on all events is Iraq as you seem to be. So use those outlets and confidential contacts and show me, and everyone here, where all that progress is hiding.

This war has been and will continue to be a colossal waste of valuable resources, particular those human resources.

Our commander in chief suffers under the delusion that muslims, excuse me, I mean those "A-Rabs", possess a universal love of freedom and democracy. He belives Islam is a religion of peace. He believes Mohammed was just another swell prophet, I mean swell A-Rab prophet. Our commander in chief, therefore, has not only failed to understand and KNOW the enemy, he has yet to even identify the enemy correctly.

There are numerous other reasons why this war is a wasted endeavor. Hugh Fitzgerald in this very thread and many others preceding, list very good reasons (google jihadwatch Hugh and tarbaby Iraq ).

So Billybob, the link provided above shows little by way of the progress that can justify the enormous amount of resources used so far. According to you, sources such as what is found in the "MSM" should not be, shall I say "digested". OK- I won't rely on them, and you should not as well. So show me, show us, the progress you suggest is out there to be found, and no MSM sources please.

Also, while providing this evidence of progress, see if you can recall what our CIC tells us what it is we are supposed to be progressing towards. You should choose between either a) fighting them there so we don't have to fight them there, or, b.) bringing democracy and freedom to "ordinary mom and dads" (thx HF), or c.) killing as many of them A-Rabs as possible.

With a "lil effort" you might be able to select the correct answer.

And lastly Billybob, I will not be so undignified as to retort with name calling and ad hominens, it is beneath me,

So please take care and do say hello to the rest of the Billybob family, particularly brother Jimmy Joe, cousin Bubba Bob, the twins Rickybob and Rickybob, sister Bobby Jo, and last but not least, the your lovely sister, Mrs. MarySuBob.

Posted by: Leave Iraq Now at July 9, 2007 11:14 PM

Saddam must be laughing from Hell.

The Iran-Iraq War- It Isn't over Till The Fat Madhi Sings!

Posted by: profitsbeard at July 9, 2007 11:38 PM

Hey regressive, I'm a redhead but I've heard of Macedonia. I asked my blonde friend and she has too. So there. Jesus loves you even if you have forsaken Him. How could you not love Jesus?

Posted by: Susanp at July 10, 2007 12:35 AM

This message goes out to all sunni and shiite.It appears that your nations need you.They need islamic evangelists to spread the peaceful words of allah.seeing as to how all muslims are endowed with this high intelect that no infedel could possibly aid in such a way it is up to you now to go back to your homelands or those lands of your ancestry.

It is thought that this work could take some time so taking all your belongings and families is encouraged.There will be a one way ticket waiting at the nearest airport for all who choose to go.As i stated earlier you are ENCOURAGED to go.

In case you didn't understand the message let me sum it up for you: The tightly coiled piles on the neighbors lawns need thier flies,now go.

I wonder if nassem has found the diamond in that turd she keeps trying to polish?

Posted by: Dar al-harb at July 10, 2007 12:50 AM

This is obviously a CIA ploy.
1. If Iran takes the bait it slows or eliminates aid to the Shia militias.

2. If Iran doesn't bite it allows for strikes inside Iran that can be attributed to Al-Queda. Again, slowing or eliminating the flow of aid.

3. The timing. Two months puts the deadline exactly when Gen. Patreus is due to report to Washington on Iraq progress.

Posted by: Mick_n_NYC at July 10, 2007 3:42 AM

To Billybob and clan,

I happened to catch this article while digesting my morning chocolate on the MSM.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_IRAQ?SITE=DCTMS&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Not a single benchmark being met.

Another report I read says the costs of Iraq and Afghanistan average $12 Billion PER MONTH!!! What progress are we getting for that?

You take me for a Sheehanite or Pelosi/Reid syncophant, they type who appears to hide his head in the sand and pretend all is well and says if we just leave them A-Rabs alone they will leave us alone. I am not.

Failure in making progress is sad news that effects us all. I do not point out this failure to gloat. I point it out so that you will see, and admit to, to the futility of carrying on with the Bush/Cheney/Rice project. There are more important chores ahead for our military, Iran being #1, Islam spreading in Europe #2. Iraq causes our leadership to divert attention from equally important matters.

Posted by: Leave Iraq Now at July 10, 2007 7:52 AM

Don't know what you all believe about this, but there was a prophecy a few years ago by a man that has been accurate that said Iran's and China's plans against us would be foiled by things that take place within their countries that will cost them much money to retify. It also spoke of an uprising from the young people of Iran who will try to overthrow the current president. I'll have to go dig it up for the details, but it looks like we may be witnesses to this soon, at least in Iran. I've prayed for confusion to go into the enemies camp for years and am hoping this is a part of that.

Progressive: Jesus loves you. . . no matter what. Let that come into your heart and settle. He loves you.

Posted by: lightinshadows at July 10, 2007 11:29 AM

DAWA GOES BOTH WAYS!

I sometimes wish I didn't know these scenes were common across my beautiful country because the intense anger they evoke is almost debilitating at times.
Posted by: Susanp

O, ye Watchers! Shake off debilitating anger and replace it with RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION!!!!

Susanp, I completely empathize with your feelings. Rather than sink into a debilitating depression myself, I joined a Church.

Why?

Firstly, I've been a quiet Christian for many years. But with Jihad on the rise, Christians can no longer be quiet. They must congregate, agitate, indoctrinate, and EDUCATE!!!!!!

I opened the Yellow Pages and found the biggest, best attended Church LOCATED CLOSEST to the Islamic center in my town. After I'd been a member for a month I put my plan into action. I contacted the head of missionary activity and asked if I could start a reading group--an interfaith reading group for Christians interested in learning more about Islam.

Class text: Center for the Study of Political Islam: Muhammad and the Christians.

What an eye opener for the group!

Next up: Invitation to area Mosque to send over their "faithful" to learn more about JESUS!!!!

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at July 10, 2007 1:20 PM

Next up: Invitation to area Mosque to send over their "faithful" to learn more about JESUS!!!!

Ynkedoodl2: please keep us informed of how it goes!

Posted by: lightinshadows at July 10, 2007 2:52 PM

Imagine, Iran and Iraq at war! Just like old times under Saddam Hussein....

Posted by: pythagoras at July 10, 2007 3:02 PM

I find this very amusing, I only hope that our troops are not near it when it happens , and that when these idiots do get down to buisness they really fight hard for there cause and kill each other off , nothing like a good bout of population control ! put a pile of amunition in the middle and say "LETS GET IT ON "

Posted by: psycopatt1 at July 11, 2007 4:12 AM