The Homeland Security hierarchy is a joke.

The real defence of the West are its citizens, not another govt. agency.

Keep your eyes sharp and your powder dry.

And vote out those beltway whores.

We are a people with a government, not the other way around, and when the politicians screw up, we get rid of them.

Let's hope we get rid of them in time

Posted by: dgene at July 11, 2007 12:28 AM

"That just might have something to do with last September's peace deal between the Taliban and Pakistani officials in the North Waziristan region"

Obviously and surely it does.

The peace deal allowed them to regroup , plan and organise.

Posted by: Rajesh_singh at July 11, 2007 12:41 AM

We must all be vigilant.

Islamo delendo est.

Posted by: atheling at July 11, 2007 12:45 AM

We must all be vigilant.

Islamo delenda est.

Posted by: atheling at July 11, 2007 12:46 AM

Ack!

Posted by: atheling at July 11, 2007 12:46 AM

If they hit us this summer, imagine the muslims this will cause to die when we pound them mercilessly. Guess allah doesn't have their best interests in mind afterall (probably because he;s satan).

Posted by: angryeagle at July 11, 2007 12:51 AM

Well, at least FINALLY they're starting to "get it"- better late than never.
Remember when I mentioned the time period of maximum risk...it's already started and lasts until September 22...the Jewish Yom Kippur.
We'll need a lot more than just vigilance...

Posted by: jcom972 at July 11, 2007 12:54 AM

And the jihadi's best friend, chertoff, today was...(wait for it)...hanging with his shiite jihadi buddies in mosque.

takbir! Say goodbye (again) to many more Americans.

http://michellemalkin.com/2007/07/09/where-in-the-world-is-michael-chertoff/

Posted by: Arm A. Geddon at July 11, 2007 1:10 AM

If these Islamic terrorists succeed in killing a couple hundred, or couple thousand, Americans, and anyone in the Administration or Congress uses the phrases "Islam is a peaceful religion", or "the terrorist have hyjacked Islam", I hope the American people rise up -- as they did with the amnesty bill -- and demand that they be immediately dismissed from their job.

And while they're at it, they should demand that all Mosques be shutdown, and all Imans be deported (and put Chertoff on the plane with them), and then stop all Muslim immigration into the United States.

And if any Ambassadors from Islamic countries protest, put their asses on the same plane out.

The lives of Americans shouldn't be put in jepordy because our leaders don't want to face up to the truth that Islam is the root cause of terrorism.

Posted by: rational at July 11, 2007 1:12 AM

"... cells... want to attack a government facility"

Of course, dhimmis like Chertoff worry about their own @#%

The same dhimmi Chertoff who's quick to tell the rest of us not to be concerned about our own family's welfare as the jihadis infiltrate our cities... who's quick to call us racists during a national immigration debate ... who's quick to visit every imam and suck up ...

The same dhimmi Chertoff who makes me sick and disgusted with the failed leadership in Washington!

Posted by: LoneRanger at July 11, 2007 1:33 AM

‘What would Muhammad drive?’ Cartoonist dies in car accident after 4500 death threats:

http://sheikyermami.com/2007/07/11/pulitzer-winning-cartoonist-marlette-killed-in-auto-accident/

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at July 11, 2007 1:41 AM

They are getting all worked up over a small cell of Al-Qaeda, what about the terrorists that are here already?

Posted by: duh_swami at July 11, 2007 3:01 AM

For Pete's sake. When are we going to kick this up a notch and get this over with?

=================

The human cost of our inaction is incalculable.

We claim to worry about all those allegedly innocent foreigners. Well every day we don't strike Iran is a day when some kid can't try to get into med school, a day when some young man or woman has to choke down their dreams and try to calculate the path of least risk and resistance through life.

And that's not even a spot on the surface of the tip of a vast repulsive iceberg of heartless inhumanity.

And need I mention the endless mountain of money we are pouring into all this...

What all else could that money be doing?

How much of the mental energy of the nation is going to have to be squandered on defending against the shit-storm of propaganda being rained on us?

When are we going to get this over with?

Posted by: joeblough at July 11, 2007 3:14 AM

"... cells... want to attack a government facility"

Of course, dhimmis like Chertoff worry about their own @#%

The same dhimmi Chertoff who's quick to tell the rest of us not to be concerned about our own family's welfare as the jihadis infiltrate our cities... who's quick to call us racists during a national immigration debate ... who's quick to visit every imam and suck up ...

The same dhimmi Chertoff who makes me sick and disgusted with the failed leadership in Washington!"

Ha! Well said LoneRanger. It's one thing that'll never cease to amaze me with these self hating Western Dhimmis. They're wonderful at looking after number one, lining their pockets, feeding at the trough. You name it.

I'm orlright Jack

Posted by: ewha1 at July 11, 2007 3:45 AM

Thank you Henry Kissinger

Posted by: ewha1 at July 11, 2007 3:53 AM

;-)

Posted by: ewha1 at July 11, 2007 4:56 AM

"Senior U.S. intelligence officials tell ABC News new intelligence suggests a small al Qaeda cell is on its way to the United States, or may already be here."

...I am paid far less than these people and could have told ABC the same information at least 2 years ago......

Posted by: exsgtbrown at July 11, 2007 5:36 AM

Does this mean Bush will finally secure the border?

Posted by: Elric66 at July 11, 2007 6:04 AM

Reporter: Mr President, is it true that you have decided to put a fence along the border with Mexico after all? And a follow up question sir, if so what will it look like?

George W. Bush: That is a very good question and yes I have. What will it look like? Well it will run the full length of the border and have special security gates every 100 feet.

All the security gates will have on them:

1) Press one for Spanish (with a response of “Welcome Amigo”).

2) Press two for Arabic (with a response of “Welcome honored member of the Religion of Peace”).

3) Press three for English (with a response of “Go to Hell you damed bigoted nativist who does not want what is right for America!!!”).

Posted by: feralcat9 at July 11, 2007 6:22 AM

Assalamau Laikum Rational,

You say "If these Islamic terrorists succeed in killing a couple hundred,....I hope the American people rise up .... And while they're at it, they should demand that all Mosques be shutdown, and all Imans be deported (and put Chertoff on the plane with them), and then stop all Muslim immigration into the United States".

Would this include muslims wanting to come on holiday to the Amerike?

I have never been to the Amerike (only on the TV)..but would like to see it (holiday)...before it goes to a "no fly" zone.

I want to see for myself why the Amerike is so hated...to interact with the peoples (as opposed to the administration), to checkout whether they know the difference between a sunni/shia/Ahmadi.

I want to see for myself if their faces cringe when I tell them I am a muslim ( and I don't burka)..whether they still remain friendly with me.

This is hard for me ...but I need to see for myself whether the Amerike is the "great satan" that everybody says.

Posted by: Naseem at July 11, 2007 6:25 AM

"White House calls "urgent" meeting over threat of summer jihad attack"

....after being attacked for about 40 years and they are just now calling for an urgent terror threat meeting.....

and

" ...but I need to see for myself whether the Amerike is the "great satan" that everybody says.

Posted by: Naseem"

....you live in a rough neighborhood....

...for those who do not like America...stay home and don't listen to those crazed, bearded, finger pointing clerics whose only desire is to see you become a martyr so that your death can be used as a calling card to entice other youngsters to answer the call to a great Islamic death...

Posted by: exsgtbrown at July 11, 2007 6:34 AM

omeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff should inform those immans in dearbornstan that is something big is unleashed in the US, muslims can kills mecca goodbye via a nicely placed neutron bomb.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at July 11, 2007 6:43 AM

Naseem
"Would this include muslims wanting to come on holiday to the Amerike...
I have never been to the Amerike (only on the TV)..but would like to see it (holiday)...before it goes to a "no fly" zone."

First why don't you first learn how to spell the name of the country...it is AMERICA....
We Americans are just like others in the world we don't want to be messed with ...we wish to live, feed our families, go to work and see our children grew and not be messed with.
You want to come and visit fine but maybe this country should re open Ellis Island as a holding tank so that there can be back ground checks on all of those wishing to see America on holiday...you can first hand relive the what some of our early ancestors had to go through to be in this land of the free...and they did it willingly to get away from the oppression of their mother countries.

Posted by: mountiangirl at July 11, 2007 7:39 AM

Naseem,

Your Qur'an calls for Muslims to be treated different than non Muslims. Why do you Muslims get so pissy when we non Muslims want to return the favor? Answer if you have the courage.

Posted by: Elric66 at July 11, 2007 7:47 AM

I want to see for myself why the Amerike is so hated...to interact with the peoples (as opposed to the administration), to checkout whether they know the difference between a sunni/shia/Ahmadi.

Most Americans would not even know what these words meant -- they've never heard these terms for the most part. Most Americans are truly clueless about islam and couldn't tell you the difference between that and Hindi, or Catholicism.

I want to see for myself if their faces cringe when I tell them I am a muslim ( and I don't burka)..whether they still remain friendly with me.

They wouldn't cringe and would most likely go out of their way to be friendly with you.

This is hard for me ...but I need to see for myself whether the Amerike is the "great satan" that everybody says.

"Amerike is the great satan" because according to your quaran and your clerics, the people are sub-human infidels that must be killed -- no matter how nice they might be to you personally on your visit.

Posted by: witness at July 11, 2007 7:56 AM

Naseem,

Would this include muslims wanting to come on
holiday to the Amerike?

NO! BUT NO PERMANENT RESIDENCY OF ANY KIND __ESPECIALLY CITIZENSHIP. THE MINIMUM WE ASk OF A NEW CITIZEN IS THAT HE BE LOYAL TO THE UNITED STATES AND ITS CONSTITUTION. MUSLIM BELIEFS DO NOT ALLOW FOR THAT.

I have never been to the Amerike (only on the TV)..but would like to see it (holiday)...before it goes to a "no fly" zone.

I want to see for myself why the Amerike is so hated...to interact with the peoples (as opposed to the administration), to checkout whether they know the difference between a sunni/shia/Ahmadi.

NO NEED TO KNOW COME HERE TO KNOW WHY AMERICA IS HATED IN THE MUSLIM WORLD. AMERICA REPRESENTS WHAT IS GOOD IN THE WORLD. IT REPRESENTS FREEDOM, JUSTICE, LIBERTY AND THE EQUALITY OF ALL PEOPLES. ISLAMIC SOCITIES REPRESENT NONE OF THESE THINGS, AND HATE ANY COUNTRY THAT WON"T EMBRACE THEIR OWN TWISTED AND IMMORAL BELIEFS.
AS FOR "the difference between a sunni/shia/Ahmadi." FOR ALL PRACTICAL PURPOSES, THERE IS NONE. ALL THREE SHARE THE SAME DYSFUNCTIONAL BELIEFS IN ISLAM, AND ALL THREE HAVE CREATED DYDFUNCTIONAL ISLAMIC SOCITIES.

I want to see for myself if their faces cringe when I tell them I am a muslim ( and I don't burka)..whether they still remain friendly with me.

THEY WON"T CRINGE, AND THEY"LL BE EXTREMELY FRIENDLY. THEY ARE THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE OF WHAT A CHRISTIAN OR JEW CAN EXPECT IN AN ISLAMIC SOCITIETY.

This is hard for me ...but I need to see for myself whether the Amerike is the "great satan" that everybody says.

IF YOU"RE LOOKING FOR GREAT SATANS, YOU"LL HAVE TO LOOK IN THE MOSQUES AND MADRASSAS IN MUSLIM COUNTRIES, WHERE THEY TEACH CHILDREN TO HATE THOSE THAT BELIEVE DIFFERENTLY THAN THEMSELVES, AND WHERE MURDERERS ARE GLORIFIED AS MARTYRS.
YOU WON"T FIND ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN AMERICA.

I HOPE YOU MAKE IT HERE SOMEDAY, AND WHILE GOD LOVES ALL PEOPLE, YOU"LL SEE THAT WE ARE UNIQUELY BLESSED BY HIM FOR OUR FAITHFULNESS. I JUST HOPE WE STAY THAT WAY.>

Posted by: rational at July 11, 2007 8:00 AM

Great Satan this, Great Satan that...
Please, don't mess Great Satan with all this nonsense.
-------------------------------------
Hey, Jihad Joe, we're coming to get yea! © Megadeth

Posted by: Hell Awaits at July 11, 2007 8:17 AM

Would this include muslims wanting to come on holiday to the Amerike?

Naseem,

rational says no, but I say YES.

No Muslims will be allowed even to enter America. Lest you forget, nineteen students killed three thousand people. Another student killed many of his fellow students on a college campus.

I cannot trust even you, dear lady, to enter this country without malign intentions. You don't need to carry a bomb on a plane. All you have to do is rent a car. Thank your leaders in the mosque and those Muslims who have been welcomed to America in the past for my distrust. As you sow, Naseem, so shall you reap.

If it were up to me, no Muslim from any country in the world who is not a diplomat (making his government unable to disassociate itself from him) would be allowed to set foot in these United States. They are here for peaceful people of good will, not for you. I say "not for you" because your posts in the past have made it plain that you aren't interested in peaceful coexistence and will not be satisfied until all of us have joined your cult. Sorry, no membership card for me. I have no interest in learning which way is Mecca. If my head touches the floor it will be because I am looking for something under my bed.

As for that al Qaeda cell, Muslims in America should be doing their best to root it out and report the plotters to the authorities. They were let off the hook after 9/11 but Americans might not be so generous if it happens again.

Posted by: PMK at July 11, 2007 8:24 AM

The Great Satan is Allah

Posted by: Elric66 at July 11, 2007 8:37 AM

Assalamau Laikum PMK,

Not trusting each aother has always been the achilles heel of the human.

For the Amerkie today it is the muslims... yesterday it was the Red Indian...killed by your ancestors for their belief in Manitu.

My asking you to convert to Islam is no proof of bad intention. My dua is peaceful and always has been.

Just as you only see bad in Islam....I only see good in Islam....I read abrogated suras, I skip violent ones...this is my way.

I want to pull out the good parts of Islam and pass them on to humanity...if the Amerike succumbs...the rest of the West will start too as well.

I also see sharia lite as some of the good bits to Islam too...and I can assure you that I have no intention to violence...what can one widowed Ahmadi muslima do any way....all I can say to you is that I am on a discovery journey....some parts are clear to me ...some are not...

seeing and talking to teh Amerike may help a bit...and if I cannot come...so be it...it's not the end of the Allah's SWT flat earth.

Posted by: Naseem at July 11, 2007 8:49 AM

BRUSSELS DEMO 2007

Demonstration outside the European Parliament.

September 11th 2007.

Europeans are saying “ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!” “NO SHARIA HERE!”

So join the call. All European nations must be represented.

SO, IF YOU LOVE FREEDOM,

IF YOU LOVE YOUR COUNTRY,

- BE THERE!!

The organisers of the demonstration are:
SIAD (Denmark) sioe@siad.dk

No Sharia Here (England) sioe.nsh@btinternet.com

We have contact with Akte-islam in Germany. They are organizing the german participation: http://akte-islam.de/1.html

We are encouraging others to form similar groups in their own countries.

We seek people/organisations from all other european countries who will organize participation from their own country. We need bloggers to help us spread the word. We have to start now.
For questions or coordination between countries contact SIAD or No Sharia Here.

STOP ISLAMISATION OF EUROPE:
ORIGINS:

Stop Islamisation Of Europe (SIOE) is an alliance of people across Europe with the single aim of preventing Islam becoming a dominant political force in Europe.
It originated with the joining of SIAD, a political party dedicated to stopping the Islamisation of Denmark, with a loose association of people in England whose rallying cry is “No Sharia Here” and who want to maintain English law and stop the creeping growth of sharia law in England.

SIOE is growing in Europe with the amalgamation of similarly minded groups.

Posted by: BlowHammed at July 11, 2007 8:50 AM

"-- what steps can be taken to minimize or counter the threat,"

"-- and what steps are being taken to harden security for government buildings and personnel."

1 step - close the borders to all muslims.

Posted by: sounder at July 11, 2007 8:58 AM

Yet we are told we "owe" the Iraqis and must, therefore, admit hundreds of thousands -- or in one case, someone suggested "up to two millon" Muslims -- who would require endless monitoring, and no doubt could have many real or potential sympathizers with, and at least some members of, Al Qaeda or a dozen other groups, or no particular group at all but the exact same worldview as Al Qaeda or Jund al-Shams or Hamas or Hezbollah or Lashkar Jihad or Jaish al-Mahdi or [fill in here your favorite group, or with such lexical building blocks as "Islam" and "Sunna" and "Jaish" and "Lashkar" and "Allah" and "Hizb" make up your very own Islamic terrorist group, and you'll be off to the races]. Our government goes into a frenzy, holds special inter-agency meetings, because it believes a "small group" of Al Qaeda members may be heading this way. Does it not realize that "small groups," and much larger groups, of Al Qaeda supporters and even members, present or potential in the future, is already here, and that like the guerrillas swimming in the sea of the people, in Mao's phrase, these terrorist groups swim in the sea of whatever population of Muslims may be present -- swim in that sea, are held up, buoyantly, by that sea. And without tha sea, would not be able to survive.

Posted by: Hugh at July 11, 2007 9:09 AM

One more thing.

"We are fighting them over there so we won't have to fight them over here."

So what's the worry?

Posted by: Hugh at July 11, 2007 9:10 AM

I note with some relief that the Naseem entity wishes to visit the USA and not Bonnie Scotland. We do have certain attractions over here to be sure, like the Loch Ness Monster and the Highland Haggis but in the latter case these are about as hard to find as moderate Muslims, that aside there are some real dangers to be found in Scotland, particularly in the Glasgow area from whence I came originally.
If I may quote the words of the celebrated John Smeaton, “We’ll set aboot ye!”.
This translated in to proper English means basically, one wrong move and your arse is toast. If fact this proved to be the case recently where the would be terrorist’s arse is somewhat ‘toasted’, his testicles are also no doubt relocated as a result of Mr Smeaton’s ministrations but that’s just the Glasgow way.

I should point out that in Scotland, Glasgow in particular, there have been years of sectarian violence between Roman Catholics and Protestants, this hatred being instilled since birth in most cases (a bit like Islam’s intolerance) I’m talking about gang warfare here. However it has become apparent, among acquaintances of mine from ‘both sides’ that Muslims are now being brought in to sight as a distraction from the daily venom and spite. This is not a good thing. (Trust me on this) The idea that Protestants and Catholics agreeing on something is a bit of a shock and this disturbing revelation has perhaps been one reason for the recent Muslim protest in Glasgow’s George Square.

What ‘Foreign Muslims’ should be told before coming here is the fact that the source of all this sectarian violence “Ireland” had the sense to direct their campaign of ‘terror’ elsewhere. The Scottish do not react well to insurrection. Actually we react to it very well as it happens, it’s just very messy and not very nice. It should also be noted that after so many years of this focused sectarian hatred, for that’s what it is, the protagonists can identify each other from a good distance from the facial features (believe it or not) ‘Proddy dogs’ have features so sharp they could split sticks and Tims’ have the ‘mark of the beast’. So it’s going to be really difficult to spot a Muslim…..Cultural idiosyncrasies should be understood before attempting jihad over here. Scotland will never tolerate Sharia law and those who would attempt to promote it would be well advised to ‘think again’. As we say in Glasgow “Tongs ya bass!”
(A popular war cry heard before and during gang fights)

Posted by: Jihadtobejoking at July 11, 2007 9:31 AM

My asking you to convert to Islam is no proof of bad intention. My dua is peaceful and always has been.

Naseem,

Nothing in the world has sown more distrust among people than Islam. The religion that not only condones but commands lying to achieve benefits in this world (if Muslims think this world is so insignificant and long for the next, then why is the acquisition of territory so important?) has been the worst scourge to befall mankind.

Once I would have given you the benefit of the doubt but those days are gone. You can blame the people who preach that war is taqiyya, who preach that treaties can be broken when the time is right, who preach that those of us who are non-Muslims are lesser human beings.

The people who preach those things are MUSLIMS.

I am not blessed with omniscience. Were we to meet, I could not tell just by looking at you in your hijab that you are a good person. I can no longer trust in your good intentions. That is what you have done to me.

Americans did not blame all Muslims for the actions of 9/11 hijackers. I, however, blame all Muslims for the campaign of intimidation that has gone on since then. You had a chance to reclaim your religion from those who preached that these killings were righteous. You did not.

You, Naseem, practice your own form of Islam and leave it to others to practice theirs. They obviously do not realize that the verses that preach killing others are abrogated. They are not blessed with your wisdom. You should not hide your knowledge under a rock. It is up to you to teach your fellow Muslims that the path they are taking is the wrong one. You aren't. As a result, you will most likely suffer for their actions because we will not be able to distinguish you from them.

I blame all Muslims for the sight of people in Islamic countries celebrating the fall of two office buildings and the deaths of people who had done none of them any harm. That is you, Naseem. Where were you when the towers fell? Were you smiling in front of your television set? Were you in the mosque giving thanks for the destruction of infidels? Were you dancing in the street?

America was built on trust. We trusted Muslims who came here to study. See what it got us. No more. Muslims will reap what they sow.

Our president continues in his naivete. The rest of us do not.

If America "succumbs"?

In one word you reveal the goal of Islam.
Do you know the meaning of the word "succumb"?
It means "to give way to superior force" or "to yield to disease" or "to DIE".

You are not interested in spreading the good word of Islam or in fostering good relations between people of all faiths. You are interested only in conquest.

Posted by: PMK at July 11, 2007 9:37 AM

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Posted by: R_not at July 11, 2007 9:45 AM

Naseem said, "but I need to see for myself whether the Amerike is the "great satan" that everybody says."

Naseem, "Everybody" does not say that America is the great satan. Only MUSLIMS do. And ya know what? MOST of the world is NOT Muslim. Ya, that's right, there is a world out there that is not muslim. With real people, that do real things. In fact they even do things that HELP humanity besides just inventing ways to destroy it. As a matter of fact, cultures other than muslims have contributed MUCH to the progress of humanity. It is called civilization. Now imagine the idea of muslims actually wanting to participate in a civilization and trying to add to it instead of just trying to destroy it. Wow, what a concept. A muslim contributing to humanity instead of kiling it. Amazing.

You really ought to check out more of life, existence and humanity besides the narrow, cold, murderous, enslaving mindset of a child-molesting false prophet, the murderer, mohammed. Maybe your eyes would see who the REAL 'great satan' really is!

Posted by: angryeagle at July 11, 2007 10:05 AM

1 step - close the borders to all muslims.

Posted by: sounder"

...step 2...deport all Muslims convicted of any crime, except capital felony convictions. We will keep these offenders off the streets...deport their immediate families at the same time...

...step 3...begin close surveillance of all mosques.....

...step 4...ban all new mosque construction

...step 5...profile at all transportation hubs

...step 6...ban all travel to places like Pakistan, Iran, Yemen, Syria, Egypt

...step 7...outlaw Shar'ia courts in your own country...

...step 8...no more religious concessions in public schools, transportation hubs, malls, restaurants, or other public places...(no footbaths, special toilets, prayer rooms, special meals, special pools, special game rooms, special mats, etc)

...step 9...a moritorium on new student visas, new immigration applications, and on bringing family members into the country...

...step 10...an immediate ban on protests of more that 100 people who carry hate signs, burn effigies, burn flags, and generally behave in a violent disrespectful manner....

....slow down the Jihad...Ban Muslim immigration...

Posted by: exsgtbrown at July 11, 2007 10:06 AM

Barely has the fat lady that stands at the site of the former Red Mosque, taken out her hymn book, when the TWICE bereaved troll-in-mourning ditches her hanky for the megaphone.

Another day, another dawah.

Posted by: western infidel at July 11, 2007 10:24 AM

Yeah, Naseem, you come to America for a visit.

We'll show you what we're talkin' about.

Posted by: atheling at July 11, 2007 10:26 AM

Geeza:
‘We're dicks! We're reckless, arrogant, stupid dicks. And Liberals are pussies……………..’

Yada, yada, yada!

It certainly is amazing how some individuals manage to make up for a lack of content with the liberal use of profanity. Don’t know if anyone else at JW is in agreement but this type of base rant not only is offensive to some of us out there but also simply cheapens this website as a whole. I surely hope the JW webmaster takes note of this.

Posted by: descendantofacrusader at July 11, 2007 10:39 AM

"Just as you only see bad in Islam....I only see good in Islam....I read abrogated suras, I skip violent ones...this is my way." -Naseem

So you, a moderate Muslim, acknowledge that the 'good' suras are abrogated by the violent ones. You do actually see the bad in Islam; you just choose to ignore it.

Unfortunately, personal preference is not a valid method of scriptural interpretation, in Islam especially. If your co-religionists ever do succeed in implementing Sharia world-wide, your head will be among the first to be rolling on the ground for your unorthodoxy. Surely you understand this.

Posted by: trojo at July 11, 2007 10:44 AM

Chertoff's "gut feeling" hmmm - for a lot less money, how about a Quija board or something?

Posted by: HOV Dummy at July 11, 2007 11:09 AM

Yeah, but what’s thousands of dead & wounded American civilians compared to the awful specter of Arab & Muslim profiling? Or an insulting border fence? President Bush might prepare condolence cards for the surviving family members reminding them that Islam means peace and most Muslims are nice folk in spite of all the violent & nasty things they believe their god says about all us hateful & hell bound infidels.

Posted by: FM at July 11, 2007 11:11 AM

I wonder why Naseem would want to holiday in a infidel land. hmmm, me thinks that he can stay home and we won't miss him.

As for this homeland security - they worry more about their government buildings and such, while doing nothing over the border situation. They are not even trying to enforce the immigration laws we have and that is including the one with the fence that was to be built. And if reading the Minute Man articles - muslims are coming up from the borders, along with Chinese and Mexicans, these being the 3rd, 2nd and first biggest groups coming up from the southern border.

And what are the biggest targets? Us. transportation, places where we like to frequent, hotels, schools and shopping malls seem to be high on their list of places the muslims like to blow up. I think that the muslims that were mowing down people in vehicles doesn't give them a large enough coverage for that to be used - except by individuals to carry on their jihad against us. They blew up the WTC because of its symbolism, but that was not a government building. And we are continually told that the government building in the OKC bombing had no muslim ties (I don't believe it because of the book put out, The Third Terrorist, the lawsuit against Iraq, and the current chatter about it on the web now), but we don't want to pin Clinton/Reno with anything that the left might see as blaming them for a coverup. (what did Sandy Berger take and destroy?! That is another coverup and a very lack of wanting to really look at what Clinton did for our security)

Or how about snipers again? It is certainly being carried on in places like Lebanon against Christians, and elsewhere around the world where muslims reside. But, that doesn't seem to give them enough deaths, but it certainly creates terror in people.

And with our homeland security now giving money to mosques because they had a slice of ham thrown at one - they can dig some tunnels to hide their little rats in while they are being hunted. I personally think that one of their own threw the ham so as to be able to cry victimhood and prove to our knotheads that they deserve homeland security money so as to not have terror (ham throwing) directed at them.

Posted by: R_not at July 11, 2007 11:12 AM

"Help! I need somebody. Help! Not just anybody. Help! I need somedody. He-el-elp!!"

Be sure to vote in the next elections.

Posted by: Foehammer at July 11, 2007 11:15 AM

And your point, Geeza?

Profanity is profanity is profanity whether plagiarizing ‘Team America’ or not.
As for ‘humor’: well I would say that might be construed as slightly subjective, wouldn’t you? Or are things different in ‘England’?

Once again: your base rant, I believe, was a feeble attempt to make up for lack of content. ‘I think so’ - ‘jest’ or no - don't you? Is that 'fair to say'?

Posted by: descendantofacrusader at July 11, 2007 11:16 AM

Islam is a pain in my ass. Who's with me?

Posted by: Foehammer at July 11, 2007 11:18 AM

Hi Naseem - What are your feeling about the battle for the red mosque?

Posted by: MP at July 11, 2007 11:19 AM

"Just as you only see bad in Islam....I only see good in Islam....I read abrogated suras, I skip violent ones...this is my way." -Naseem

And why do you bother with us and instead go and try to convince your violent thugs that 'distort' your 'religion' to change instead of trying to convince us that islam means peace??!! Only a person chosing ignorance believes that anymore. I will believe you when you stand up and go and do something about stopping the muslims who are murdering others. Otherwise, you are just one more muslim giving us lip service and don't mean one word of it - you are just practicing what the koran/mohammed tells you to do - deceive. As the big mo said, 'war is deception'. All you have to do is get your other masses of 'moderates' to stand up against the jihadists and stop this mess around this globe. There are supposedly more of you than them.

Posted by: R_not at July 11, 2007 11:19 AM

Naseem, oh I have another question.

How can you follow a man who murdered, raped, tortured, had a woman killed holding one of her children because she didn't like islam, lie, cheat, and steal? And I have left out many of his heinous acts due to time to type them all. I don't care how 'peaceful' some of his verses were - he still did these deeds and not worth the energy given to him. I don't even know how anyone thinks that a person such as he could even be in anyone's idea of heaven.

Posted by: R_not at July 11, 2007 11:22 AM

"Just as you only see bad in Islam....I only see good in Islam....I read abrogated suras, I skip violent ones...this is my way." -Naseem

Naseem, is that the same philosophy applied to the reading of the Qur'an that Muslims use when looking at people?

"The only innocents I see are Muslims."

That was a rhetorical question, btw.

Mullah Anjum Chaudri: The Killings of Non-Muslims is Legitimate

‘No Kafir is Innocent’

Posted by: Foehammer at July 11, 2007 11:24 AM

With all due respect descendantofacrusader if you are being honest with yourself you have not seen Team America and therefore fail to see the humour in the 'content' mostly plagerised granted, however I suspect you also fail to realise the weapon we civillians posess in the
West - humour!

I don't know you obviously but after reading two of your posts I realise that you do not like people swearing, to YOU I apologise because you have taken offence, I know you are most probably a devout Christian.

Whilst I have apologised to YOU and hope you will in future not take offence at MY choice of words I hope you realise that your form of subtle censorship is not welcome - since we are all fighting against an Islamist form of censorship.

Regards.

Posted by: Geeza at July 11, 2007 11:32 AM

Geeza,

You missed the point. Objecting to your profanity is not about censorship. It's about quality. And, sorry, your post was trash.

Using profanity is like inflation. The more you use it, the less it's worth. It loses its impact.

Some people who object to the garbage you spewed do so not just because they are Christians, but because they love language and words. Your adolescent rant was an abuse of the English language which many people love.

It does not help our cause, rather it hinders it.

Posted by: atheling at July 11, 2007 11:41 AM

Geeza, I don't see your original post. It seems you got censored by another force. Using that type of language turns more people off than on. I, unfortunately, cuss like a Marine (or a truck driver, or a sailor, etc) I prefer using Marine because I was in the USMC. I grew up with two parents who cussed like that - I didn't learn it in the USMC like some people might want to think - and know how hard it is to change. Yes, we are all in this together but if you want to get your point across why not try to get as many you can to want to read your post? If you can't change your ways, just try to change them in the written word.

I wish I could change my poor grammar too, but I can only hope for one major change and that is to curb my foul mouth. And before I work on my foul mouth - I really need to stop overworking one of my fingers. It seems to have a mind of its own!

Posted by: R_not at July 11, 2007 11:41 AM

Should have been more serious at Tora Bora and with the number of troops going into Afghanistan and Iraq in the first place.

Playing catch up is always a fool's game.

Posted by: profitsbeard at July 11, 2007 11:42 AM

It would appear that a few posters object to my use of language in a previous post of mine, to those posters who have taken offence please forgive me.

However the point of the post in question still stands and is very relevant.

Posted by: Geeza at July 11, 2007 11:45 AM

Atheling, my post was not a rant it was a plagurised version of a 'potty mouth' movie who has hit the Jihadi nail on the head.

I accept that many people here are fairly aged, although I also am no spring chicken, therefore would not see the connection.

Posted by: Geeza at July 11, 2007 11:49 AM

LOL, "aged"??? I guess you didn't read my post!

Whatever.

Posted by: atheling at July 11, 2007 11:55 AM

R_not you appear to be doing fine my man.

I can use the written word no problem, some people who have not seen the 'potty mouth' movie I quoted have taken offense at my using their language, I accept this and understand that some people hate swearing.

However with all due respect our people are dying, some for no reason other that politicians are too weak to name our enemies and deal with them adequitly and prefer to play this ridiculous PC game!

I come from a family who have fought in every major war my country has been involved in and to be honest swearing/cussing is the last of our worries.

Point taken though. ;-)

Posted by: Geeza at July 11, 2007 11:57 AM

LOL, "aged"??? I guess you didn't read my post!

Whatever.

Posted by: atheling

I did read your post but it is all down to a matter of opinion and for some eloquent comprehensive writing works and for others the harsh shocking simplistic 'rude words' work.

I'm sure you are wise enough to realise that not everyone who reads this site would find my post offensive, they may even have found it hilarious.

;-)

Posted by: Geeza at July 11, 2007 12:04 PM

"I wonder why Naseem would want to holiday in a infidel land"

She wants to go to Disneyland. All bloody Muslims secretly want to ride the teacup ride in Disneyland.

Posted by: atheling at July 11, 2007 12:08 PM

Hey Team America was a brillant movie, and whats wrong with a little profanity?

and since we're talking about cartoons didn't coach Mcguirk say that profanity was the everyday's man's poetry?

Posted by: GuitarBob at July 11, 2007 12:10 PM

"She wants to go to Disneyland. All bloody Muslims secretly want to ride the teacup ride in Disneyland."

What? they don't have an Aladdin flying carpet ride?

Posted by: GuitarBob at July 11, 2007 12:12 PM

Yep GuitarBob Team America was a great movie, I quoted the hilarious bit at the end - you know the bit about the film actors guild being pu$$ies (replaced it with Liberals) and Kim Jong II being an a$$hole (replaced with Islamic terrorists). - put the rest together yourself and it is funny ;-)

Some people missed the joke unfortunately.

Posted by: Geeza at July 11, 2007 12:15 PM

Foehammer-

If you're saying that the Koran is the Hemmorhoid of Humanity, couldn't agree more.

Posted by: profitsbeard at July 11, 2007 12:16 PM

Geeza,

Kindly do not suppose my objection to your ‘dirty mouth’ is related to my lack ‘humor’, prudery, or any less concern than yours for ‘fighting against Islam’ - it is simply an issue of ‘quality’ (as atheling well put it) and, by extension, a passable command of the English language. With all due respect: your use of profanity or ‘humor’, as you term it, seems much better suited for the pool-hall or bar room and certainly not a forum which concerns itself with one of the most important and potentially dangerous issues of our time – Islam. Your points can be made more effectively without such excessive use of profanity.

Regards,

Posted by: descendantofacrusader at July 11, 2007 12:19 PM

Yup, descendantofacrusader, we're just a bunch of aged, doddering old Christians here without a sense of humor...

And some of us have better taste in film than "TEAM USA"... blech.

Posted by: atheling at July 11, 2007 12:21 PM

Asaalamau Laikum Atheling,

You say "All bloody Muslims secretly want to ride the teacup ride in Disneyland".

This looks like it written in code....care to expand on it?????

Posted by: Naseem at July 11, 2007 12:27 PM

If there's a time and a place for profanity, it doesn't include most times and places, including here or now.

Marisol Seibold
Jihad Watch News Editor

Posted by: MarisolJW at July 11, 2007 12:28 PM

Yup, atheling, we ol’ f**ts jes need to lighten up fer the ‘spring chickens’!
Somehow, however, I think I may carry on just a bit longer having missed “TEAM USA”.
Can I still get the video tape?

Posted by: descendantofacrusader at July 11, 2007 12:29 PM

profitsbeard said,

"Should have been more serious at Tora Bora and with the number of troops going into Afghanistan and Iraq in the first place. Playing catch up is always a fool's game."

Agree, but then we can even take it back another notch:

1.)Should have taken out Sadaam in Gulf War 1 instead of giving any heed at all to the whining left-"get the world's opinion"-UN, coalition, resolution, just-get-Sadaam-out-of-Kuwait appeasers who have NO SPINES and are destined to be dominated by aggressors were it not for the hawks. and

2.) should have taken out Osama in that camp years ago, and not taken the weak, precautionary, what-will-the-world-think-if-we-accidently-kill-a-child in the process of taking out Osama-type of thinking that drove Mr. Hillary Clinton's decision-making process. (Funny, how the dems cared about accidently killing a terrorist's child yet promote the slaughter of thousands of American unborn children every month....such is the hypocrisy of the modern democratic party!)

So, in summary, it was the left that allowed us to get where we are at, it is the left's promotion of irresponsibility in this culture (ie. abortion, pornography)that invoke's islam's wrath on us, it is the left's misunderstanding of criminal acts versus acts of war that handicapped our intelligence services prior to 911, it is the left's whining about civil rights in a time of national crisis that tries to tie the hands of the powers that be to fully engage in monitoring potential terrorist cells in the USA, it is the left and its slanted media voice that turns the hearts of the nation against the war on terror and actually plays into our ENEMY'S hands, it is the left who wants to cut and run (how to snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory) and it is the left's actions and agenda that allows more terrorist cells to grow and develop right here at home.

A liberal is just as dangerous as a terrorist.

Posted by: angryeagle at July 11, 2007 12:34 PM

Naseem,

Yup it's in code alright... I'll let you sit and ponder that for a while.

All done gnashing and wailing over the Red Mosque already?

Any more imams dressed like girls cross your path?

Posted by: atheling at July 11, 2007 12:37 PM

Bah, more threats and rumours!

I don't give bucket of warm spit, I am just going to live my life as always, without fear. Only now a small part of my time entails warning those close to me of the traditional teachings of Islam.

Though such threats and rumours do help reinforce my points.

Posted by: npabga at July 11, 2007 12:40 PM

Oh but we have fun at her expense all the time!

She serves a good purpose: she reminds us of the enmity of Pigslam and gives us more resolve.

Posted by: atheling at July 11, 2007 12:40 PM

The Bush Administration will probably address the threat of summer terrorist attacks as follows: 1) Condi Rice will be sent back to the Middle East, where she will pressure Israel to make more concessions; and 2) The President will attend CAIR and MPAC banquets.

Seriously though, as clueless as the Bush Administration has been, I shudder to think how a President Hillary Clinton or Barrack Obama will deal with the Islamic threat. I wouldn't be surprised if they responded by ordering a US military strike against Israel.

Posted by: NCKaffir at July 11, 2007 12:41 PM

I did reply to you descendantofacrusader but I was kicked out of typekey for some reason.

What you find funny and acceptable is not neccessarily what others would find funny and vice versa.

You clearly have not see Team America therefore are missing the joke and just seeing the 'naughty' words.

In your opinion this is not acceptable and are using a subtle form of censorship by stating as much.

This I accept and have apologised to YOU because you took offence.

Posted by: Geeza at July 11, 2007 12:42 PM

A liberal is just as dangerous as a terrorist.
Posted by: angryeagle

That would make Jesus a terrorist.

And I guess I'm a terrorist too.

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at July 11, 2007 12:43 PM

Censorship is not always a bad thing. You can't falsely cry "FIRE" in a theatre with impunity. Your post was an ABUSE of language.

And it's more than one person who objects. The moderator as well.

Geeza, grow up a little. Get over it.

Posted by: atheling at July 11, 2007 12:45 PM

Ynkedoodl2 said, "That would make Jesus a terrorist.

And I guess I'm a terrorist too."

So how many abortions has Jesus arranged? How many porn flicks has He directed? How many needles has He handed out to addicts and how many condoms to teens? Jesus a liberal?? Hardly. Jesus taught responsibility, not irresponsibility. Do not mistake His grace for His permission....

(once again, evidence that a liberal does not know the difference between good and evil)

Posted by: angryeagle at July 11, 2007 12:50 PM

atheling I'm over it my friend just responding to another poster.

Your opinion and others and the moderators is that it was an abuse of language.

Fair enough.

:-)

Posted by: Geeza at July 11, 2007 12:50 PM

"it was the left that allowed us to get where we are at, it is the left's promotion of irresponsibility in this culture (ie. abortion, pornography)that invoke's islam's wrath on us, it is the left's misunderstanding of criminal acts versus acts of war that handicapped our intelligence services prior to 911, it is the left's whining about civil rights in a time of national crisis that tries to tie the hands of the powers that be to fully engage in monitoring potential terrorist cells in the USA, it is the left and its slanted media voice that turns the hearts of the nation against the war on terror and actually plays into our ENEMY'S hands, it is the left who wants to cut and run (how to snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory) and it is the left's actions and agenda that allows more terrorist cells to grow and develop right here at home.

A liberal is just as dangerous as a terrorist."
-- from a posting above

Absurd.

As for "it is the left who wants to cut and run" which is defined by the poster as equivalent to "snatch[ing] defeat out of the jaws of victory" -- put "Cut and Runner" and "Hero of Baghdad" in the google search-box and click. More Than A Thousand Words.

Posted by: Hugh at July 11, 2007 12:51 PM

Geeza, mine too on my mother's side, on her father's side. All the others came over **legally** from Europe (one from Ireland, one from Portugal and the other from Poland). And that background has a few countries notorious for their fighting spirit. They had to be - Poland has no natural borders and well, you know the Irish... It is disgusting what is coming out of Europe nowadays though.

Yeah, I know what you mean about not naming our enemy in this PC world. It is disgusting. I do believe it will change one day - I am afraid it will change after a big attack though. It is like the people pleading for a stop sign to be put up and the city will only do it after a couple of people die. Well, in this case it will have to be multiplied by some huge number before we all wise up. 9/11 did it for a few months - and then the PC police were out and the left wing got lonely with no yellow on their backs and no white flags waving overhead.

This 'war on terror' name is pathetic too. It is probably one of my bigger peeves with all of this. It is blurring who the enemy really is, and I read an article somewhere that the mosques are now getting homeland security monies because someone threw some ham at one of them. They kill us, preach hatred, and some lone (probably a kid or one of them) threw some ham at them. Something just isn't right with that scenario.

Even Fox news confuses the issue. Cal Thomas spoke out the other day, he had a guest spot on Fox news, and I stood up and applauded him! Some others also speak out but they are not the mainstream even on Fox news. When they wonder if muslim doctors should now be screened - I just shook my head. They are still missing the point, the one thing that muslims have, the one thing that many countries are/have faced, the violence from *ALL* muslims no matter what their jobs/education - they follow the koran and their prophet. And those masses of 'moderates' who do nothing but confuse the issue - just more deception. No one is asking them 'why do they follow such a man and such a book. If they say they don't read the abrogated verses - then they should be asked why do they follow such a man as the big mo.

And then the Democrats vote in a muslim and he takes the oath of office on Jefferson's koran. I won't go into my disgust with that scenario.

Posted by: R_not at July 11, 2007 12:53 PM

Okey dokey. :)

Posted by: atheling at July 11, 2007 12:58 PM

R-not the world is totally crazy mate, really messed up.

I predict, like you it will take one huge event in one of our countries to move the masses to realise what must be done.

I like you look at the leadership in my country, the UK, and shake my head - it is actually getting worse after Brown has taken over.

One thing I'm sure about though is the normal every day person on the street, I know my people and I know they are pissed!
Sorry for the any offence at my choice of languange people but I'm pissed!

Give it time, either the politicians go with the tide or they will be swept away with it, this I am certain.

That is why people like Naseem make me smile, all she and her brethren do, with their tongues, is make the inevitable political change to deal with this crap come quicker.

I'm optimistic.

Posted by: Geeza at July 11, 2007 1:06 PM

PissBeUponHim,

Did you notice, though, she was able to spell 'succumbs' properly?

Deliberate slap in our face, but we can recriprocate her visit to AMERICA with our own version of the welcoming party!

:D

Posted by: Miss_Anthrope at July 11, 2007 1:08 PM

So how many abortions has Jesus arranged? How many porn flicks has He directed? How many needles has He handed out to addicts and how many condoms to teens? Jesus a liberal?? Hardly.
--posted by angryeagle

@angryeagle

I think Islam might be just your cup of tea.

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at July 11, 2007 1:10 PM

Matthew 9:11

9As Jesus went on from there, he saw a man named Matthew sitting at the tax collector's booth. "Follow me," he told him, and Matthew got up and followed him.

10While Jesus was having dinner at Matthew's house, many tax collectors and "sinners" came and ate with him and his disciples. 11When the Pharisees saw this, they asked his disciples, "Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and 'sinners'?"

12On hearing this, Jesus said, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. 13But go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.'[a] For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at July 11, 2007 1:15 PM

Roses are Red
Violets are Blue
Like me, Jesus Christ
Was a Liberal Jew!

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at July 11, 2007 1:17 PM

Ynkedoodl2:

Being a Liberal Christian doesn't mean you give up your knowledge of right and wrong.

Yes, Jesus was merciful, but He also said "Go and SIN NO MORE."

Posted by: atheling at July 11, 2007 1:18 PM

Getting mighty off topic in here.

How about that summer jihad threat?

Posted by: MarisolJW at July 11, 2007 1:21 PM

"So how many abortions has Jesus arranged? How many porn flicks has He directed? How many needles has He handed out to addicts and how many condoms to teens? Jesus a liberal?? Hardly.
--posted by angryeagle

@angryeagle

I think Islam might be just your cup of tea."

Grossly unfair. Many Christians and Muslims share their objection to porn, abortion, promiscuity, etc...

However the Christian will not MURDER to change their society. We use the rule of law.

That's the problem with you liberals. You fail to discern and analyze correctly.

Posted by: atheling at July 11, 2007 1:23 PM

Getting mighty off topic in here.

How about that summer jihad threat?

Posted by: MarisolJW

Well if the Jihadi team is as good as the ones we had recently in the UK I would sit back marshmallows at the ready, wait for them to set themselves on fire then have a laugh whilst your boys kick the living cr@p out of them!

After you have doused the flames first of course!

Could be a laugh?

;-)

Posted by: Geeza at July 11, 2007 1:34 PM

Getting mighty off topic in here.

How about that summer jihad threat?

Posted by: MarisolJW

Well if the Jihadi team is as good as the ones we had recently in the UK I would sit back marshmallows at the ready, wait for them to set themselves on fire then have a laugh whilst your boys kick the living cr@p out of them!

After you have doused the flames first of cause!

Could be a laugh?

;-)

Posted by: Geeza at July 11, 2007 1:35 PM

Sheesh, typekey is really lame.

I have had to login about five times in the past hour.

Posted by: atheling at July 11, 2007 1:44 PM

Summer threat? There's a 24 hour/365 day a year threat as long as Islam is in our midst.

Watch our for burqas and swarthy, bearded folks when you go see Harry Potter this month. I wonder if the Muslim clergy have issued a fatwah against Wizards yet?

Posted by: Foehammer at July 11, 2007 2:25 PM

I don't think most liberals (US variety) are some type of Jihadi enablers. There are of course some groups on the extreme right that also find common cause with many Muslims with regards to the Jews.

Now, that being said, many liberals seem to enable jihad, and the proof is found in the pages of the NYTimes, LA Times, the BBC, etc. However, these particular liberals are on the extreme, I think. They are of the multicultaralist persuasion. I think that some posters may lump all liberals in the same boat, but really the difference between the two are quite stark.

Those on the extreme left are the multiculturalist sorts that believe all the ills of the world have to do with Western exploitation of the periphery, the working classes, and nature to fulfill their capitalist greed. If this sounds reminiscent of communism, well then, there you go.

They also believe, despite what common sense says (never as common as one would hope), that all cultures are inherently equal. A common retort when trying to point out something amiss in other parts of the world is: “who are we to criticize anyways, because we have done X,Y, and Z to the nth power.” This sort of extreme leftism is a threat because it takes away our freedom of speech, the most important worth protecting, that criticizes and even offends other. If all cultures and religions are equal, all religions are the same, then it is wrong to fight against even horrendous practices like FGM in a culture or even to recognize the prevalence of a core tenant like Jihad in Islam. This is a leap of logic commonly committed by those who wish not to learn truth, but to not hurt anyone's precious feelings.

This is where the threat comes in. Not against liberals, but the extreme we-are-the-world sort.

Posted by: npabga at July 11, 2007 2:34 PM

Anyone who pushes for political Correctness in all spheres of public and private life is a threat to the anti-jihad movement.

No one should be punished for thought crimes against an ideology.

Posted by: npabga at July 11, 2007 2:38 PM

This is where the threat comes in. Not against liberals, but the extreme we-are-the-world sort.

_______________

Well, this somewhat strikes me as the same view point as a "minority" of Muslims are in favor of suicide bombings and Jihad.

My own personal experience, is that whether in the church, government, or academic institutions, the multi-culture proponents are in in the majority. Most of the leadership and people in positions of power espouse this view. The proponents also happen to be mostly liberals.

Posted by: Monkeywho at July 11, 2007 2:45 PM

"My own personal experience, is that whether in the church, government, or academic institutions, the multi-culture proponents are in in the majority. Most of the leadership and people in positions of power espouse this view. The proponents also happen to be mostly liberals"

Mostly liberals???

They're ALL liberals. While not all liberals are multi cultis (though I'm hard pressed to find an example), ALL multi cultis are liberals.

Posted by: atheling at July 11, 2007 2:58 PM

"Well if the Jihadi team is as good as the ones we had recently in the UK I would sit back marshmallows at the ready, wait for them to set themselves on fire then have a laugh whilst your boys kick the living cr@p out of them!"

-Geeza

I have a really nice pair of Doc Martins. I hope they visit my town.

Posted by: Miss_Anthrope at July 11, 2007 3:01 PM

Monkeywho, I agree that liberals are more likely to be card-carrying members of this theory, but it is hard for me to pin down.

Well I guess it comes down to, in part, absolute power and all that.

The further one moves up in power and influence in today’s increasingly interconnected and globalized world, the more one tends to believe in Multiculturalism and faith in transnational NGOs, and institutions like the World Court, the EU, the UN, and a potential World Government. They become world citizens, and do not have loyalty to their own country of citizenship. Those that work in the media, universities, NGOs and large parts of the government (see State Department) tend to be more liberal.

But liberals and conservatives are such unwieldy labels. How would one categorize George Bush, McCain, Gulliani, Colin Powell, and Condi Rice? Bush for example is Conservative on social issues such as abortion and stem cells, but yet supports amnesty and parrots the Islam is a religion of peace while cozying up with the Saudis. What about those in Multi-national Corporations, raging capitalists through and through, offshoring this and that, and send jobs overseas, and hire illegals?

I don't know, but I think loyalty to our shared Western civilization is passé for all of our countries' elites. They found a new ideology fitting their title of "world citizen"

Posted by: npabga at July 11, 2007 3:12 PM

Calling Naseem!!!

Another ten minutes have gone by. It's time for you to go run off and partake in the 'religious' slaughter of another "unbeliever" in the name of 'al-lah'!

Get along, now!

Posted by: pythagoras at July 11, 2007 3:21 PM

npabga said, "They also believe, despite what common sense says (never as common as one would hope), that all cultures are inherently equal. A common retort when trying to point out something amiss in other parts of the world is: “who are we to criticize anyways, because we have done X,Y, and Z to the nth power.” This sort of extreme leftism is a threat because it takes away our freedom of speech, the most important worth protecting, that criticizes and even offends other. If all cultures and religions are equal, all religions are the same, then it is wrong to fight against even horrendous practices like FGM in a culture or even to recognize the prevalence of a core tenant like Jihad in Islam. This is a leap of logic commonly committed by those who wish not to learn truth, but to not hurt anyone's precious feelings."

This is called relativism. 'it may be true for you, but it is not true for me.' It is being fast and loose with the truth because, after all, there is no truth (to them), there are no absolutes. The only absolute, of course, is that there are no absolutes.

This is where a liberal is at. 'Your truth is not my truth. And if you tell me there is an absolute, I am going to label you an extremist, a Nazi, a radical, and maybe even compare you to a radical Muslim.'

You see:
1. A relativist does not recognize evil.

2. A relativist (liberal) also is timid about confronting it.

a. 'After all, who's to say our definition of right and wrong is better than the mulsims?' they say. (and hence the pro-Palestinian support on US collegiate campuses, etc.)

b. 'Why should I be willing to lay my life down for something I am not even sure is good or evil?' goes the logic.

Both of these conditions play into the hands of the enemy. In the case of #1., the terrorist threat goes unrecognized. In #2., it is not confronted and stopped. In which case, it's Game Over.

That is why a liberal (alright, Hugh)IN POWER is a danger to our society.

Posted by: angryeagle at July 11, 2007 3:29 PM

We need Naseem to speak up, everytime she opens her mouth in written form she inadvertently hurts her cause.

I know she is not wise enough to realise this, I find it hilarious.

lol..

Posted by: Geeza at July 11, 2007 3:29 PM

angryeagle,

Yeah, relativism - the always-handy cop-out from making truly difficult decisions based on reason and facts.

Because of course: Feelings trump all.

Posted by: npabga at July 11, 2007 3:34 PM

Reply to angryeagle from 12:34
"So ... it was the left that allowed us to get where we are at, it is the left's promotion of irresponsibility in this culture (ie. abortion, pornography)that invoke's islam's wrath on us ..."
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Well -- Islam uses "Western permissiveness" as an excuse, it uses "Israel's 'occupation' of Palestine" as an excuse, it uses our "foreign policy of propping up unpopular dictators" as an excuse, it uses "sterilizing the Muslims of Africa with polio shots" as an excuse, it uses "Danish cartoons" as an excuse, it uses "nurses spreading AIDS in Libya" as an excuse... Islam would be attacking Western countries and interests even if it could find no excuses at all.

Before 9/11/01, yes we Americans in general would have been outraged if our country killed innocents while trying to assassinate an alleged terrorist. I think many still would be outraged. We are supposed to be the good guys, follow the law, and protect the weak and innocent. Yes, it means we can't firebomb all of Afghanistan, hoping to get at least some of the bad guys. We have to be restrained, they don't. (From 'Asymmetric warfare' in Wikipedia: "If the inferior power is in an aggressive position, however, and/or turns to tactics prohibited by the laws of war (jus in bello), its success depends on the superior power's refraining from like tactics. For example, the Law of land warfare prohibits the use of a flag of truce or clearly-marked medical vehicles as cover for an attack or ambush, but an asymmetric combatant using this prohibited tactic depends on the superior power's obedience to the corresponding law. Similarly, laws of warfare prohibit combatants from using civilian settlements, populations or facilities as military bases, but when an inferior power uses this tactic, it depends on the premise that the superior power will respect the law that they are violating, and will not attack that civilian target, or if they do the propaganda advantage will outweigh the material loss.") It isn't all the fault of the Left, it's due to the values that Western civilization espouses, as well...

Posted by: A_Nonny_Mouse at July 11, 2007 3:41 PM

If the US government (and the Bush Administration) is running scared at this point as it should be it has only itself to blame. The war on terror as the Bush Administration had managed it has left Americans more vulnerable to terror attacks than even the Clinton Administration did. I can say this because I voted Republican at the last election (there wasn't anyone else to vote for that looked to me 1% aware of the global jihad crisis).

Instead of calling Islam a "religion of peace" Bush and Co. could have investigated Islam's practices of jihad, taqiyya, honor killings, and historically well-established propensity for destroying other civlizations (Islam itself is NO civilization I refer here to the civiliations that Islam has destroyed such as the Byzantine or Persian civilizations) and tempered US foreign policies accordingly. He and Cheney did nothing of the kind and continue to do nothing of the kind (even accommodating terrorist groups like Fatah and HAMAS) and in doing so have left Americans open to further terrorist attacks.Bush has made us look weak--never smart in dealing with Islam and he still hasn't caught on and continues to think making nice with 'moderate Muslims' and Islam is doable (and isn't).

Instead of calling Islam a 'religion of peace', the Bush Administration and Department of Homeland (In)Security could have at least monitored and/or closed Wahabi mosques. Did they? (They did NOT). And now there are al-Qaeda operatives moving into the US clandestinely! (Imagine that).

Instead of operating on the 'Islam is peace' nonsense, the Bush Admininstration could have taken the initiative to investigate al-Qaeda operatives using the US-Mexico border as a point of entry (which bin Laden said would be used as one) and beefed up security along the US/Mexico border. Five years after 9-11 they hit on the idea that MIGHT be a good idea!

We spent billions eliminating Islamic terrorism training camps in Afghanistan, Iraq, the Philippines, Somalia, Indonesia and elsewhere. But guesswhat?? an al-Qaeda related terrorism network called ul-Fuqra now operates about 45 Islamist terrorism training camps on American soil in at least 8 states. Bush and Cheney and the FBI have known about then since the year 2001 and have yet to do much about them despite the fact that they pose an unprecedented danger to US national security. They're still there...

The one thing the Bush Administration DID manage to get right was putting together the Patriot Act (which the libs are trying to eviscerate just so al-Qaeda can't miss in achieving its objective of wiping our country out). But if the US government got moving to target Islam as the terrorist enemy that it clearly is and began shutting offending mosques we would not be so dependent on the Patriot Act whose days may be numbered.

Hard to believe ANYONE could be this dumb. It is even harder to believe that the US government could be this dumb.

THIS IS AMERICA TODAY???????

God help us-----

and deliver us all from Islam (and the Bush Administration's idiocies).

Posted by: pythagoras at July 11, 2007 3:51 PM

" and what steps are being taken to harden security for government buildings and personnel."

As for the rest of us, just go on with our lives.

However, A attack on the government is a attack on the people, one hopes OUR government remembers this. Or perhaps they are that far out of touch.

Ant attack here is on us all.

Posted by: Islofob IS-1 at July 11, 2007 4:00 PM

Ynkee Doodle2:

Jesus NEVER had any political affiliations (such as "liberalism"). He even stated His kingdom is not of this world. Jesus was truly and openly apolitical.

Your brazen placing of Him in YOUR political corner is cynical and sacrilegious besides being incorrect.

Your speaking for the Creator is the most arrogant statement I have ever heard.

Shame on you.

ps: learn to spell Yankee Doodle correctly! And don't bother me with a reply as I won't read it!

Posted by: pythagoras at July 11, 2007 4:01 PM

A Nonny Mouse said, "Before 9/11/01, yes we Americans in general would have been outraged if our country killed innocents while trying to assassinate an alleged terrorist."

"We Americans in general" is quite a statement. Please speak for yourself and don't assume everyone held to a naive view of terrorism or terrorists prior to 911. Again, if a person 'recognized evil' he would know, even prior to 911, that an "alleged terrorist" was a threat to the USA. Especially when this "alleged terrorist" had already declared his ill intentions against us. And especially when it has been in the Qu'ran for some 1200 years that the true follower of Mohammed is commanded to attack the infidels (see Surah 5 and Surah 9). Sure 911 finally gave the left a reason to be aggressive against the inferior aggressor, but only for about a week or two, it seems.

And as for how we fight the war, ...Wikipedia? I sure hope that our generals aren't using Wikipedia as a source on how to conduct the war.

Posted by: angryeagle at July 11, 2007 4:45 PM

Naseem,

Americans are very good hearted people who contribute billions of dollars to help people of all religions around the world, including your country of Pakistan. People flow into my country by the thousands every day because everyone wants to live here, so they too can experience the great American dream. What has your country done for others lately besides export poverty, terrorism, hatred and death?

Bonnie

Posted by: Bonniea at July 11, 2007 4:46 PM

Jesus NEVER had any political affiliations (such as "liberalism").
--posted by pythagoras

GEE WHIZ, I thought Jesus was a member of the Green Party. Me Bad!!!!!!

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at July 11, 2007 4:55 PM

Jesus the "too liberal" Jew breaking the Sabbath which the Conservatives (Pharisees) would have killed him for.

John 5
The Healing at the Pool
1Some time later, Jesus went up to Jerusalem for a feast of the Jews. 2Now there is in Jerusalem near the Sheep Gate a pool, which in Aramaic is called Bethesda[a] and which is surrounded by five covered colonnades. 3Here a great number of disabled people used to lie—the blind, the lame, the paralyzed.[b] 5One who was there had been an invalid for thirty-eight years. 6When Jesus saw him lying there and learned that he had been in this condition for a long time, he asked him, "Do you want to get well?"

7"Sir," the invalid replied, "I have no one to help me into the pool when the water is stirred. While I am trying to get in, someone else goes down ahead of me."

8Then Jesus said to him, "Get up! Pick up your mat and walk." 9At once the man was cured; he picked up his mat and walked.
The day on which this took place was a Sabbath, 10and so the Jews said to the man who had been healed, "It is the Sabbath; the law forbids you to carry your mat."

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at July 11, 2007 5:00 PM

Uh, I think you're confusing liberal and conservative with orthodox and unorthodox.

Posted by: atheling at July 11, 2007 5:03 PM

LOL!......Chertoff,,, a feeling! He President Bush is not getting critized for a feeling! I have been waiting for a long time for him to speak. I know some things we should be doing and were not doing it! How can you have security with your doors wide open. Try that in your house, leave everything open. There is never NO mention of the fires! I have that to in my book of predictions..lol.I am loling at myself! I wrote fires America will burn down! I saw it, lots of fires!-2004, I said something to someone and they again looked at me like I lost it. I am loosing it, we all are! Where is the system that is giving these illegal immigrant illegally people freedom to rome?-start documenting them-system!
lol Chertoff said, terrorist don't take vacations. When is the last time you got to travel anywhere all paid for by the people your going to KILL!?

Posted by: MZ at July 11, 2007 5:23 PM

Atheling,,-lol.. that is so funny,

Posted by: MZ at July 11, 2007 5:33 PM

Liberal doesn't mean what it use to any more! I use to be a liberal. I see it as a filthy word now! You can have sex with animals what ever have 10 wifes 2 Gods, be a man with boobs, who cares..

Posted by: MZ at July 11, 2007 5:40 PM

Not to mention suck the brains out of babies!

Posted by: MZ at July 11, 2007 5:42 PM

Naseems YOU WANT TO KNOW WHY SOME HATE AMERICA???
ITS CALLED JEALOUSLY! YEAH GOOD OLD JEALOUSLY! The ones crowing the most about the Great Satan is from the septic muslim countries such as Iran! Look at Israel, a flower in the Desert, and then look at her neighbours all muslims living in squalor! So its easier to blame all others than to look at the mirror, mirror on the wall, and see who is to blame! yeah its the FUC**** ISLAM!!! YES ISLAM FAILS MANKIND! NASEEM GO TO AMERICA WHEN YOU CAN THAT WAY YOU WONT SOUND SO STUPID!

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at July 11, 2007 5:58 PM

just what will you do when the bombs and god forbid nukes go off in America???????????

have you given any serious thoughts about this????

just what do you think will happen if multiple bombs and several nukes go off in America???????

do you remember New Orleans after Katrina????????

are you prepared???????

are you armed??????????

are you ready??????????

The Texican.
Live free and die free and this may be sooner than we think........
God Family America Freedom the only choice at any cost.

Posted by: Texican at July 11, 2007 7:02 PM

IMHO, Al Quaida thinking here is that there will be no attack until Bush leaves office, if then. Why take a chance at being bombed into the next century? The American people are so spineless that we can get what we want merely by scaring them. They will be so fearful that they will elect a duly sensitive and essentially pacifist Congress and president which will give us the opportunity of embedding ourselves irrevocably in America. American liberalism can get us a Muslim America without firing a shot!

Posted by: Crusader at July 11, 2007 7:05 PM

Crusader wrote, "The American people are so spineless that we can get what we want merely by scaring them"

"We can get what we want..." Hey, I thought it was about what Allah, wanted, not what YOU wanted...hmmm, pretty revealing.

"...by merely scaring them." Ya, you're pretty scary, you are. You are sooo big and strong. We're all here cowering down before you, like proper dhimmi, because you, after all, are a mighty ferocious muslim warrior! My knees are knocking you're so scary. Yup, all that fear ought to make you fell pretty good about yourself.

AND Crusader wrote, "They will be so fearful that they will elect a duly sensitive and essentially pacifist Congress and president which will give us the opportunity of embedding ourselves irrevocably in America."

Just like Spain did, right? Ya, go ahead and believe that when you hit us we will shrink back in fear and put our tail between our legs. (That's what Japan thought one time, too.)

Posted by: angryeagle at July 11, 2007 7:33 PM