"Four men jailed over cartoon demo," from the BBC (thanks to Un:dhimmi):

Four men have been jailed for their part in protests outside the Danish embassy in London, against cartoons satirising the Prophet Muhammad.

Also note the weasel headline: "jailed over cartoon demo" and lead sentence: "jailed . . .for protests . . . against cartoons. . . ."
Sounds like pretty harsh treatment for a demonstration; only further along in the article does one find the sentence is for inciting and soliciting murder.

Posted by: ebonystone at July 18, 2007 10:29 AM

...I don't suppose they could be placed in a jail cell with gay prisoners who have had a brother killed in Afghanistan or Iraq?...

Posted by: exsgtbrown at July 18, 2007 10:32 AM

Not much of a victory considering the West let these people into their countries to begin with.
Countries whose ideology and peoples don't hold to our values shouldn't be allowed to immigrate.
Its our own fault.

Posted by: havekoranwilltravel at July 18, 2007 10:32 AM

Not, you'll note, the "Islamic Prophet Muhammad." Just "the Prophet Muhammad."

Please explain the difference between that and the media referring to "Jesus Christ" or "Christ" as opposed to simply "Jesus" or "Jesus of Nazareth".

Posted by: aunursa at July 18, 2007 10:33 AM

To brothers in arms in the UK:

If these islamic bastards are not deported or otherwise convinced or otherwise returned to sender, sadly, Britain is going down the poop hole.

This crap will one day be released, and the main issue for you , will be whether it is to the Krapistan holes they came from, or Britain.

Posted by: dgene at July 18, 2007 10:37 AM

Wow, I'm quite pleasantly surprised. Its nice to see that at least some in the British judiciary system are ready to send the message out that sedition will not be tolerated. It will be interesting to see, if in the coming months and years, other parts of British government and society will begin to lose tolerance for other forms of behavior that is meant to undermine the British way of life. Maybe more people in the West are starting to wake up to the fact that 'Terrorism' is not the problem in and of itself, but merely one of many tactics used by the enemy.

Posted by: Abu Allah at July 18, 2007 10:39 AM

"Please explain the difference between that and the media referring to "Jesus Christ" or "Christ" as opposed to simply "Jesus" or "Jesus of Nazareth"."

I think it has to do with only Islam claiming Mo as a prophet. The Christ equivalent might be "Jesus Christ, the Son of God" (noting that under Islam, Christ was a prophet but not the son of God)

Posted by: Tom D at July 18, 2007 10:45 AM

Jail is not a bad place to be for these jihadists.

A great place to spread their hatred and recruit.

Posted by: alexon at July 18, 2007 10:47 AM

HUZZAH!

England's finally doing something to stop the arrongant calls for the overthrow of their government by their ingrateful new welfare class! :)

All they really have to do to stop the crickets w/ megaphones is throw ta few protestors in jail. They'll only take as much as the conciliatory governments will give them. It's time for the elephant to squash the mouse, rather than to cower in fear.

Posted by: Tookson at July 18, 2007 10:52 AM

"Please explain the difference between that and the media referring to 'Jesus Christ' or 'Christ' as opposed to simply 'Jesus' or 'Jesus of Nazareth'." -- from above

Simple. One rings false and the other rings true, on the basis of the example they set in their lives. One need not believe in the divinity or miracles of Jesus to recognize that he challenged humanity to the highest levels of virtue. One need not be a rocket scientist to see that Mohammed's "revelations" were outrageously self-serving, standing the teachings of Jesus on their head.

Are you answered?

Posted by: Chatillon at July 18, 2007 10:54 AM

On Monday the newspapers in Britain reported an assault upon Dharian Barot (? I think that is his name) is now fighting for his life having been scalded with a pan of hot chip-fat that was poured over his head by another inmate of Durham prison.
Barot was convicted for his participation in a failed attempt to blow up Bluewater shopping centre in Kent.

Sending convicts to a British prison is not the soft option that it might at first seem. In fact, every moment of the sentence is a living nightmare.

He should be put into solitary confinement for the rest of his sentence - for his own protection

Posted by: LondonBorn&Bred at July 18, 2007 11:22 AM

Not, you'll note, the "Islamic Prophet Muhammad." Just "the Prophet Muhammad."

Please explain the difference between that and the media referring to "Jesus Christ" or "Christ" as opposed to simply "Jesus" or "Jesus of Nazareth".

Posted by: aunursa

For one thing, there have been lots of prophets --even islam recognizes that -- so the term needs to be qualified to indicate which one is being referred to, as in "the Old Testament prophet, Jeremiah" or "the Mormon prophet, Joseph Smith."

Posted by: ebonystone at July 18, 2007 11:35 AM

He should be put into solitary confinement for the rest of his sentence - for his own protection

Why? If another convict kills him, then there's no need to go through a big deportation hearing when he gets released. And it's a reason to keep the other (obviously beyond redemption) criminal behind bars for life.

2 birds with one stone as it were.

Posted by: walterc at July 18, 2007 11:42 AM

"Six years in infidel jail for Muhammad cartoon protestors."

It doesn't say anything about deportation. I hope British authorities don't think that these men are going to come out of prison reformed. If anything, they'll come out worse than before.

But I'll give Britain credit for at least sending them to jail. In this country, they'd be sworn in as Congressmen.

Posted by: rational at July 18, 2007 11:53 AM

Agreed with LondonBorn&Bred,

The Barot incident is a signal that life, or what remains of it will not be all cushy for incarcerated Islamists.

I only disagree that they should be kept in solitary. let them mingle with some good old homegrown soccer hooligans.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstories/2007/07/16/prisoners-burn-dirty-bomber-89520-19461286/

Maybe as a response to this report.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstories/2007/07/13/terror-plotter-make-me-a-prisoner-of-war-89520-19448668/

Posted by: awake at July 18, 2007 11:54 AM

Fully expected the usual suspects with their 'Britain is going down the pan/doomed/finished/insert your own prophecy of doom here' nonsense.

The fact is it's a good decision from the British Judiciary, a good day for British Justice; and therefore a victory for us all.

Legal Precedent? Yes. You CAN'T shout off your samosa-hole at legitimate Britons (I regard these Hizb-ut Tahrir/Anjem Choudhary fanboys & girls as personae non gratae, myself), yelling '7/7's on its way' or similar murderous incitements, otherwise it'll be off for a fairly lengthy spell in infidel jail with you.

What else would you expect for such an offence? Public beheadings? And hey, wait a minute - how about making women dress a little more moderately too?... :sigh:

Posted by: Un:dhimmi at July 18, 2007 12:00 PM

The media is disrespectful when it comes to Jesus.
No one is going to chop off their head!
Says they all chant bomb bomb bomb the UK! They must have their pictures, and now they can deported all of them back to Saudi Arabia!
So why do they move to UK if they hate it so much, what was wrong with Saudi Arabia? All muslims should denounce or leave! .-period!
Muslims should be outlawed! Hell if a diet pill made this many people act this way they would bann that pill! Get rid of the sickness!!!!

Posted by: MZ at July 18, 2007 12:01 PM

Please explain the difference between that and the media referring to "Jesus Christ" or "Christ" as opposed to simply "Jesus" or "Jesus of Nazareth".

I could be wrong but I believe that this is pointing out that when the MSM reports on other religions that they would say something like
" the Christian savior Jesus Christ" Instead of just saying "the savior Jesus Christ"

This shows how the gods of multiculturalism and diversity are running the west by saying "see how tolerant and inclusive we are" But their fear is apparent so they say these things as not to offend.

Posted by: havekoranwilltravel at July 18, 2007 12:29 PM

I am very pleased these islamic terrorists have been locked up in prison.
I do think the sentences where on the soft side, they should have been given far longer terms considering the enormity of their crimes.
I was pleased that the judge in summing up stated that there wasn't even a single placard on display with reference to the cartoons published in Denmark and other european countries.
The cartoons of the islamic prophet where not even published in the UK.
The terrorists will have to be careful when in prison spewing their hatred as they may find other prisoners all to willing to anoint them.

Posted by: Ken CleanAirSystem at July 18, 2007 1:33 PM

My point regarding the term "Christ":

It is inappropriate for the MSM to identify the founder of Islam as "the Prophet Muhammad," since such a term implies a religous doctrine (i.e. specifically that Muhammad in fact was a true prophet) that the media should not be presuming.

Similarly, identifying the preeminent figure of Christianity as "Jesus Christ" or "Christ" presumes a religious tenet that is inappropriate for the MSM to make.

Posted by: aunursa at July 18, 2007 2:00 PM

Not, you'll note, the "Islamic Prophet Muhammad." Just "the Prophet Muhammad."

We don't consider MoAHAM-MAD a prophet so we don't think the media which we pay for should use the term lightly.

He is the prophet of the Mahometans but THAT's about it.

The media should be careful to bandy terms such as "prophet" about lightly.

Posted by: Allahfanculo at July 18, 2007 2:12 PM

The motroll named anursa spewed forth:

Similarly, identifying the preeminent figure of Christianity as "Jesus Christ" or "Christ" presumes a religious tenet that is inappropriate for the MSM to make.

Since when does naming Jesus Christ by HIS NAME presume anything, you asshat?!

We'll name your islamic "prophet" mo by its REAL name if you like.. which is BAAL.

Posted by: Allahfanculo at July 18, 2007 2:23 PM

"Christ" means annointed one, savior, son of God, messiah. So its use does seem to presume the Christian religious doctrine. But even if media use of the term Christ assumes a religious doctrine, just how often do you hear the media refer to "Christ"? If the media refer to him, (extremely rare) they generally use the non-religious designation "Jesus," which is simply the Greek for the common name Joshua or Josh.

It's true you don't see the media referring much to the "Christian savior Jesus." Perhaps because hardly anyone in the West needs to be told that Jesus is the Christian savior.

But whatever relevance the comparison to Christian references in the media might have, the BBC has chosen to forgo objective distance from the claim that Muhammad was a Prophet in some universal sense. To call him the Muslim Prophet would be more fitting, since Islam and Muhammad seek to impose their rule by force, so it becomes extremely important to highlight the fact that Muhammad's claim to be a universal prophet is for many people NOT established and downright offensive. It is relatively harmless if the media indulges the beliefs of Christians. Christians are not at war with everyone else all over the globe today to establish some sort of Christian theocratic law and a global empire run by the pope.

Posted by: traeh at July 18, 2007 3:19 PM

i agree that the sentences are not long enough,
but it could have been worse, they might have had
the judge who sat on this case:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/07/17/nterror117.xml

British justice is sadly pot-luck sometimes, and i just hope that after he gets out the anti-terror crowd will watch the pants off him and nab him again before he or his lovely wife manage to kill someone. tapping her phone while he is inside might be a good move...

Posted by: M Al-Content at July 18, 2007 3:30 PM

LOL...that's no jail...that's the ritz.
KHARKOV PRISON...THAT's a JAIL.

Posted by: jcom972 at July 18, 2007 3:33 PM

"Not, you'll note, the "Islamic Prophet Muhammad." Just "the Prophet Muhammad."

I think the title "Prophet" used here was just to ID what "MO" they are talking about.

With the "Prophet" title, "MO" can't be mistaken for a lesser "MO",
being
every other Muslim out there is named "MOHAMMAND".

"Four men have been jailed for their part in protests outside the Danish embassy in London, against cartoons satirising the
"Prophet Muhammad."

Posted by: Joe Schmoe USA at July 18, 2007 3:55 PM

Media in a Christian country may choose to refer to Jesus Christ in any way, since WE are not theocracies. However, it is a treason to refer to the founder of a political cult, aimed at destruction of Judeo-Christian civilization as a "Prophet" of any kind. Even ateists and anti-christians in our civilization are receiving equally the fruits of 20 centuries of christianity. If it was not for the large islamist presence, it could be of a lesser importance how a newspaper refers to Jesus Christ or mohammed. However, now, under attack, the ONLY appropriate references are "Jesus Christ" and "Mohammed".

Posted by: Excommie at July 18, 2007 4:04 PM

Awake and LondonBorn,

What's fascinating to me about the Barot case is that he didn't even last six month after being convicted and he has 40 years left in hell. This man who wanted to killed and maim thousands of unarmed infidel men,women and children couldn't handle a few common criminals with makeshift weapons.The irony is Barot was maimed and scarred for life in a manner similar to people who survive Muslim suicide bomb attacks.Barot has shown he's too weak to stand up to the other prisoners so he'll be attacked again and again and again unless he's placed in solitary confinement or pays extortion to the other prisoners in the form of money and sex.(For an American example google Richard Speck mass murderer and rapist who became a prison b*tch to survive.)

If Jihadis because of their attacks on women and children assume the same stature as rapists and pedophiles their lives won't be worth a nickel in prison. Jihadis will be attacked everyday so they can show just how tough they really are. My guess is many will be begging to go to Gitmo. I'm interested in seeing what happens with the "terror doctors" once prisoners find out their bombs were ment to maim and kill infidel women.Who knows, tales of what happens to Jihadis in infidel prisons could serve as a deterrent to some less committed jihadis.

Posted by: Roxane at July 18, 2007 4:18 PM

"LOL...that's no jail...that's the ritz.
KHARKOV PRISON...THAT's a JAIL.

Posted by: jcom972 "

...try Evin Prison in Iran, where the cell decorations consist of dried blood and splattered body tissue....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at July 18, 2007 4:20 PM

"Annihilate those who insult Islam"....from headline.

Such peace loving Muslims.

Posted by: champ at July 18, 2007 4:48 PM

Where is Allah? Why is he not protecting these four, and the terrorist Bardot? How long doe's it take the average muslim to realise that Allah is not going to protect them, or do anything for them. When was the last time Allah has done anything for anybody?
Where is Ar-Rahman when you need him? Islamic god's are good at instigating, lousy at protecting...

Posted by: duh_swami at July 18, 2007 4:49 PM

(great rhetorical take there)...
swami, that's the point of view of what we both come to know as "common sense" based. Unfortunately, the terrorists don't use common sense like you and me.

The islamist nutcases don't use such simple arithmetic-theirs is simpler:
1) mullah invokes allah on something, no matter how absurd, suicidal, or just plain moronic...
2) the follwers ARE...ON...IT...in a heartbeat, without question, thought, input or dissent.

Power & control rackets that have been entrenched for almost 1,400 years tend to have that effect.
Only one thing works to break that forever...problem is, it's only been used once, on one that was entrenched even longer...actually twice, but in one country: IMPERIAL JAPAN.

Posted by: jcom972 at July 18, 2007 5:30 PM

Allah, god of the underworld, will not protect his followers because he wants them to wind up where he is.

Posted by: champ at July 18, 2007 5:38 PM

Allahfanculo,

The word troll -- it doesn't mean what you think it means.

And Muhammad is not my prophet. I am not Muslim. Don't make assumptions -- especially in anger. It makes you look foolish.

Read the comment by traeh immediately below yours. He understands what you do not.

Jesus is a name. Christ is a title, not a name. You shouldn't need a Jew to remind you of that.

Posted by: aunursa at July 18, 2007 7:46 PM

But won't this just radicalize more Muslims?

And won't we then have to imprison more of them?

And eventually run out of prison space and then need to start deporting them?

Well, let's cut to that last answer, save us all the wasted time, squandered money and the intervening security trouble, and just force them upon Saudi Arabia.

A gift from the infidels, giving them all a complimentary ticket for their one-way Hadj.

No returns.

Posted by: profitsbeard at July 18, 2007 9:07 PM

Aunursa, You are correct that Jesus is the name, and as far as title, The Christ, is it since there are no others.

But you err in calling Muhammed a prophet. The man had no prophecies, unless you want to count the self-fulfilling rants of a jigolo and pedophile. try reading the koran and you will see that the Torah is included, however, it takes a big turn at the place where Abram's bastard son Ishmael leaves for the desert...

Posted by: CapitalistGig at July 18, 2007 9:13 PM

CapitalistGig,

It is not I who called Muhammed a prophet.

Posted by: aunursa at July 18, 2007 10:22 PM

anursa

You may be right about what 'Christ' means, but calling Jesus Jesus Christ isn't the Christian equivalent of the Shehada. Just because one calls him that doesn't imply one's endorsement of him as the son of God.

As Joe Schmoe mentioned, the reason the MSM uses the term 'Prophet' is probably to distinguish him from the billion Muslims who have 'Mohammed' somewhere in their name. It would have been more appropriate to refer to him as 'the founder of Islam' or the 'Islamic Prophet', but both of them would be longer to type than simply 'Prophet'. Hence, the MSM does something just short of reciting the shehada.

It could have been worse - they could have appended pbuh or SAW after his name.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at July 19, 2007 12:36 AM

... jailed for six years for soliciting to murder ...

FINALLY!!!

The legal instrument has been sitting there idle all along.

Incitement to riot and incitement to murder are not protected speech.

How many of these bloodthirsty bone-heads could they have been locking up or deporting all these years if they just bothered ?!?!?

Well, at least it's a start.

Posted by: joeblough at July 19, 2007 2:34 AM

Video from the demo in question:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_kyNIevsIs

Posted by: XY at July 19, 2007 10:06 PM