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Who is this guy? Whoever he is, listen to the whole thing. He is over the top here and there, but he says what ought to be being said at the highest levels.
(Thanks to Bryan Preston for technical help with this.)
UPDATE: It's Neal Boortz.
Posted by Robert at July 19, 2007 10:30 AM
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Neal Boortz. He makes very good points in a very bad way IMO. No one wants to be lectured to this way. Does a disservice to his argument.
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at July 19, 2007 10:47 AM
No one wants to be lecutured that way - but it is about time the news speaks out instead of always listening to muslims practicing taqiyya/kitman (deception in order to advance islam) and their outrage against the moronic; such as cartoons, while there are over 30 hotspots around this globe and people of all religions are being slaughtered by muslims - because their thug, mohammed, told them to do that.
And we are really tired of our political 'leaders', businesses, cities, states, Universities, etc all kissing muslim behind while the muslims continue to, not only bash, but threaten Jews and others with torture and/or death.
We could have lived for eons with muslims in our midsts - peacefully - but we did not declare war on them - they declared war on us. And the sickest people on this earth are willing to blow up their babies just to murder non-muslims.
Posted by: R_not at July 19, 2007 10:52 AM
It's difficult to stay focused and rational when you're irritated.
Unfortunately, I don't think Boortz is well informed enough to engage in a chapter and verse refutation of his callers' assertions, like Will, to win.
And he was over the top. He should have noted that, if true, no Muslims had called in to condemn each of the various attrocities he noted.
And, I suspect he meant Beslan--not Basra.
When hosts like Boortz ask their Muslim callers if the amputation of a thief's hands is a perversion of Islam, the public will benefit.
Posted by: PRCS at July 19, 2007 10:52 AM
He is a genius! This is good tactic - don't let them mislead the topic in public discussion. Just keep it straight to the point. Boortz's temperament + Robert's knowledge = End of taqiyya
Posted by: LazarOfSerbia at July 19, 2007 10:58 AM
Hooray for Neal Boortz. Who cares if he is "over the top"? He said what we in the civilized world have wanted to scream at the moslem world. Get 'em Neal.
Posted by: interestinconundrum at July 19, 2007 10:59 AM
Does a disservice to his argument.
Posted by: Inhocdana at July 19, 2007 10:47 AM
But that is what truth is.. stark, naked, as-is. There is no sugar-coating, nor is there any 'sensitivity' to the listner. Doing so would be a disservice to truth itself, defeating the whol;e purpose. General Patton made his point less than an eloquent way. Tell me if General Patton did any disservice to anyone or anything, much less to his own "arguement.
Like that famous line" "You can't handle the truth".
Posted by: Alert at July 19, 2007 11:00 AM
I have listened to Boortz for many years...He is usually very correct....
Posted by: exsgtbrown at July 19, 2007 11:00 AM
BTW, this interview is a few months old, I've heard it before. Still good.
Posted by: interestinconundrum at July 19, 2007 11:01 AM
Wow.
Posted by: Josephine at July 19, 2007 11:11 AM
Ouch, the truth hurts. But, not as much as an exploding bomber.
Didn't muslims dance in the street on 911? I don't remember any muslim protests that day or for that matter any day afterward. Other than protests against cartoons and trivial pursuits.
at July 19, 2007 11:14 AM
I feel Neal's sentiments exactly! How dare a muslim call in and attack Neal about muslims than Will reniggs and after Neal gives him his thoughts, Will does not say yes I agree or I called to say-..,Will is lieing and you can hear it he is lieing! Neal not over the top as far as I can hear. The things Neal mentioned what muslims do IS OVER THE TOP! It is strange Will does not have any counter attack such as he has NO defense! And Will knows it! I think that was sensational! We need more of that! Each person can bring out their points about the cult of islam! There is no outrage even now with the so called Muslims, not-YET! It would be nice to hear someone dare call in and say "yes I use to be muslim but I am no more till I know I am not in a cult!"
Posted by: MZ at July 19, 2007 11:14 AM
Spoke for me and in my way!
Oh, for the likes of Curtis LeMay. His type is out there in the grand 48. These dumb Muslims do not know what they are in for.
I know many, many people in this community, and I assure you that Boortz is just the tip of an ice berg - the vocal tip.
Posted by: Crusader at July 19, 2007 11:16 AM
Boortz does a great imitation of Homer Simpson whining.
Posted by: Shy Guy at July 19, 2007 11:23 AM
Don't forget to rate the video.
Posted by: interestinconundrum at July 19, 2007 11:27 AM
It is very hard to remain calm and civil when you are exasperated by political correctness insanity you are inundated with everyday.
Islam for losers and there are plenty of volunteers.
Posted by: John Sobieski at July 19, 2007 11:27 AM
Boortz has been on message for a couple of years.
Posted by: KAOSKTRL at July 19, 2007 11:31 AM
This is just wishful thinking on Mr. Boortz's part:
"We're more than ready to stand up to you and trade blows."
Whoever slapped onto a bumper sticker next to a flag, "These colors don't run," was a damn liar.
Vietnam (1974)
Beirut {1983)
Mogadishu (1993)
Iraq (coming soon)
And that's not to mention Bush Sr. leaving the Iraqi Shiites hanging out to dry after Desert Storm in '91.
Posted by: Steamer at July 19, 2007 11:35 AM
For 1400 years Islam has been lectured about how to act civilly, and how to win converts with "REASON" (see Pope Benedict’s speech in Germany). Still Islam still doesn’t play well with others to this day. And as with your own children, eventually lectures must give way to castigation and punishment when behaviors still don’t change.
Posted by: senor doeboy at July 19, 2007 11:38 AM
A better slogan: When the going gets tough, America bugs out."
Posted by: Steamer at July 19, 2007 11:41 AM
I have never listened to this host before, but kudo's to him for telling it like it is. I am so sick and tired of the PC of this subject. Everybody bowing down to Islam so we don't offend Muslims. Oh well - get over it. If we don't stand up we will all be wearing the yoke of islam.
Posted by: seraphsfire at July 19, 2007 11:41 AM
How Neal's attitude has changed! I called in to his talk show shortly after the Iraq war started. I was outraged by a video I had seen of one of our destroyed army vehicles and the locals dancing on the wreckage and holding up an American soldier's helmet. I said we should send in a gunship and wipe them all out and that would dicourage any more of that type of action. Bortz said NO we can't do that. We would alienate the population and cause them to turn against us. I said that if they were engaged in this type of celebration, they were the enemy and should be killed. He hung up on me and I have not called back to his show since then. Seems he has changed his views somewhat since then. Islam, true Islam, is the enemy of all civilized societies.
Posted by: 1american at July 19, 2007 11:41 AM
A better slogan: "When the going gets tough, America bugs out."
Posted by: Steamer at July 19, 2007 11:41 AM
For those of you that have not seen this:
http://uk.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUKL169035020070716
Please take a look. It will make you smile.
Also a great video here:
http://www.veoh.com/videos/v802558bSb8p599
DEATH TO ISLAM!
Posted by: KillHankKill at July 19, 2007 11:43 AM
I could of sworn I listened to this on this very site months ago.
Posted by: BlowHammed at July 19, 2007 11:43 AM
He is over the top here and there, but he says what ought to be being said at the highest levels.
Over the top?
No, he was NOT "over the top!" Actually, I think
Neal Boortz a little too soft and should have spoken out a bit stronger and in more assertive tones.
Want to know what's "over the top?"
I'll tell you what's "over the top;" shooting children in the back in the name of (spit!) allah and (spit!) islam -- that's what's "over the top."
It's about time someone had the guts to tell these islamic murders off and stand up to them for a change -- in public.
It is the cowardly and spineless PC/Multiculral/global/eliteists that have empowered these killers in the first place, and subsequently turned them loose upon the masses in the second.
Many of the masses are getting their fill of the islamic murder-spree-fun-days-for-allah, and the so-called "muslim-rage" when they are called to account for their actions.
A day of reckoning will come soon enough for this murdering cult, even if their overly protective elites don't cotton to the idea.
Posted by: witness at July 19, 2007 11:44 AM
Sometimes straight and no-nonsense talk is what we need to hear, Neil Boortz who is a FOX Contributor as well, layed it out quite well I thought. Why always be gentle and boring; tell it like it is. Though he more than likely meant Bezlan, it could have actually just as well been Basra.
There is not enough time in the day to layout all the attacks throughout the world that are being committed in the name of Allah.
Its refreshing to hear someone not be so namby pamby about the obvious.
Another no-nonsense talk show host is Mark Levin
http://marklevinfan.com/?cat=11
Posted by: Mackie at July 19, 2007 11:45 AM
BRILLIANT - That was a passionate broadside against the atrocities inflicted on innocents by those loathesome sub-humans called mohammedans. He expressed my feelings about those monsters and I bet all my worldy possessions that he speaks for the overwhelming majority of civilised westerners also. OMG we need more brave, outspoken and forthright champions like him. Fits in nicely with the jailing here in the UK of 'murder inciting' jihadis. They made themselves look like rabid chimpanzees on crack and I'm sure more of this insanity is in the pipeline.
Posted by: SHEIK RATTLE'n'ROLL at July 19, 2007 11:45 AM
Awesome...
Posted by: Rogster at July 19, 2007 11:45 AM
OUSTANDING
Everything he said was obviously true. And he only attacked what the squeemish Muslim apologist was SAYING, never attacked him personally. But the squeemish Muslim apologist couldn't dispute what he was saying bc every honest person already knows that what Mr. Boortz was saying is obviously true.
at July 19, 2007 11:50 AM
I've had this radio clip in my multimedia section at the Anvil for months. In fact, I doubt you'll find a more in-depth collection of audio/video clips dedicated to unveiling the truth about the intentions of Islamists on any other blog and if such exists, I certainly want the URL so I can link to it.
http://foehammer.net/multimedia/multimedia-page-2/
The page where both video and mp3 versions of Neil's confrontation are linked.
For the whole enchilada:
Posted by: Foehammer at July 19, 2007 11:50 AM
The point of his comments wasn't just the hapless Muslim caller (incidentally, since when do Muslims who are born Muslims have names like Will?), but the fact that Muslims reserve their outrage for events like the Danish cartoons and Salman Rushdie, while looking the other way while terror acts are committed worldwide.
Whether he knows how to refute the caller's assertions chapter and verse is besides the point: the caller was asserting that Islam doesn't condone any of that. Yet, there they are - all these events taking place wherever Muslims exist - not just Morocco to Mindanao, but from Seattle to Sydney, and somehow, all those Muslims don't speak for Islam, but Will does? Boortz had the right answer to him - you don't speak for Islam.
Also, his statement, "We're more than ready to stand up to you and trade blows." - rings rather hollow, given that he's one of the exceptions who is willing to read Muslims the riot act about islam and call them a cult - unlike most people in the mainstream, including the Conservative media (meaning National Review, Weekly Standard, Hannity, et al)
If only he can educate the sub-intellectuals at the Freedom concert - like Sean Hannity.
at July 19, 2007 12:00 PM
I don't think he was over the top at all. He spoke the truth and it is about time the rest of us got our heads out of our asses and confront Islam like this talk show host did.
Over the top? Hell no.
Posted by: FLLegal at July 19, 2007 12:01 PM
I had to make another comment - I particularly liked the part where he had to cut off the speaker of the guest muslim in order to finish his train of thought. I liked that. :-)
Posted by: R_not at July 19, 2007 12:06 PM
His argument holds up well (it's basically one point, but has yet to be refuted anywhere and bears repeating and triple underlining), and his passion is understandable, but I agree that his tactic of using hold to silence an adversary leaves something (a lot) to be desired.
It is a muslim tactic to silence opponents and not give them a chance to complete their points; part of the shock value here is from hearing it used in the other direction. But I don't think Boortz' points would have suffered at all had he allowed "Will" to finish a sentence or two.
Robert Spencer, in contrast, is well known for advocating open dialogue. I like his slogan that the cure for hate speech is not censorship, but more speech. The only people who need to silence others, whether by using the hold button, by bullying debating tactics, by name-calling and charging opponents with "islamophobia", are those who know that their points won't stand up in open debate. I don't think Boortz had much to fear on this account, but weakened his own ground by not permitting counterpoint.
I won't diminish, however, the refreshing cathartic effect of listening to islamist rhetorical tactics used against the apologists of islam instead of by them. Let's minimize this sort of thing, though -- Spencer and crew have the moral high ground because of their respectful behavior even toward those undeserving of respect. I'm a bit surprised, Robert, that you seem to have such admiration for this fellow -- I don't think you'd lower yourself to his methods.
Posted by: Archimedes2 at July 19, 2007 12:09 PM
"Whether he knows how to refute the caller's assertions chapter and verse is besides the point: the caller was asserting that Islam doesn't condone any of that."
It is a valid point, for he was not able to refute Will's assertion that Islam does not condone such behavior.
Posted by: PRCS at July 19, 2007 12:14 PM
With reagards to Boortz's style, I really don't care if he told the caller to fuck off and die. We are talking about a religion that commits such barbaric acts that they should be shot on sight - just like rabid animals.
The time for reasoned arguments is over. The time to try to make points with these cretins is over.
The survival of the civilized world is at stake. If moslems wish to practice their religion fine - within the confines of their mosques and within the confines of moslem countries. If they commit acts of violence outside of their countries and mosques and against non moslems, they should be hammered into oblivion - until it becomes clear to them that it will not be tolerated.
Posted by: infidel! at July 19, 2007 12:17 PM
PCRS
One more thing Boortz said - I understand that a majority of Muslims don't support it - was the only fault I'd find with him. But while it's true that the Quran and Sunnah between them define what Islam is, the question of what Islam does - whether it condones such behavior or not - is defined by Muslims themselves. The Quran could contain everything evil, but if Muslims worldwide were like, say, Buddhists and just going about their business, nobody would be bothering about them, and we'd still be in the same post Cold War mode that we've been since the 90's.
Posted by: Infidel Pride at July 19, 2007 12:20 PM
Neal Boortz is not over the top, he is fed up, Newsflash… Many, many Americans feel the same way in spite of the fact that most of the powers that be sound exactly like this caller. We have been watching what is going on and we have been listening to the apologists tell us that we are the problem. Well, we are not the problem and we know it, we are sick of islamists committing crimes against humanity and attempting to smear the rest of us in the aftermath. Neal is expressing the sentiments that are simmering just beneath the surface of hundreds of millions of Americans. This is the world today, you are either in the camp of those like Boortz or you are an apologist, there is no middle ground in this fight. Michael Reagan is an islamophobe and not ashamed to say it, Rusty Humpfries went to visit the islamists and got an earful, Mike Savage thinks they want to cut off our heads and roll them down a ramp, I always have some talk radio host playing I cant stand the tv numbskulls. The talkers are way ahead of the tvtrons and its spreading to even the former fence sitters who a year ago were under the impression that islam is peace (I wonder where they got that impression). There is a sea change taking place and most of the powers that be are clueless, the pols are no longer leading the people, they had their chance and blew it with islamopologist rubbish, I think in DC circles they call that blowback.
"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue." Barry Goldwater
at July 19, 2007 12:25 PM
Thank you to The Resistance for linking that radio clip above.
The host to that show is Neil Boortz, his show is syndicated but believe most of the stations carrying the show are primarily in the Southeast U.S.
I have never before heard a host of this level popularity rip into a caller and tear down myths about Islamic tolerance and the religion of peace. In this piece Boortz went so far as to question whether Islam is even a religion. Bravo for Boortz.
I also checked Boortz.com and found an audio clip of an interview w/ Mark Steyn (America Alone). In his introduction Boortz says " I am trying to write a book, and now and then I stop and read stuff from Mark Steyn and "Bob" Spencer and realize how much I don't know about these things (Islam)".
I think the reference to Steyn and Spencer is significant. Media types like Boortz need to be encouraged and supported for their willingness to tackle this issue where others are silent.
While it is welcome news, Boortz and others still take on these issue using the common terminolgy such "the war on terror" which misidentifies the problem, and "islamic extremist" when the proper terminolgy should center on islamic jihadist idealogy and about the duty of ALL muslims, not just extremist, to conduct jihad.
And all, not a single one, no matter how conservative or libertarian, as in Boortz case, ever suggest that leaving Iraq can be considered a good thing as Hugh's many essays here argue.
As far as I am concerned, anyone who thinks bringing liberal democracy to an islamic nation is possible, has not studied the true nature of Islam sufficiently.
I write this to encourage readers here to use mediums like talk radio as a way to bring this much needed discussion in the open. We all just witnessed the power of talk radio in opposing the immigration reform legislation. It can make a difference. Writing and complaing to politicians doesn't seem to have effect. The Beck's, Rush's and Hannity's do.
Posted by: Leave Iraq Now at July 19, 2007 12:29 PM
Neal Boortz is my hero.
That radio clip is wonderful. I'm so sick of radio hosts going on about Islamic radicals being a tiny, itty bitty minority of Muslims. Baloney.
This world would be a much better place with no Islam- if Mohammed had never existed.
at July 19, 2007 12:30 PM
Steamer,
Both sides talk a good game.Acually,Islamists talk a better game,more often than we do.
What do you suggest do to counter them?
at July 19, 2007 12:38 PM
Explanation
My above comment is a cut & paste job. The Resistance posted a link to the audio clip in a previous thread on Bob Crane. By the time I composed my comment Robert already started his own thread and had 30-40 comments!!!
(Now maybe I don't look so dumb? or not).
Posted by: Leave Iraq Now at July 19, 2007 12:50 PM
All he has done is simply dare to say openly what most of us are thinking and haver thought for quite some and if it is not PC, too bad!!
I really do not care if he annoys all muslims as the "peaceful" ones in terms of effort are not worth a cent and sooner or later it won't matter
anyway.
Any politician who actually has the courage to get up and say this publicly would get my vote immediately.
Posted by: MisIslamist at July 19, 2007 12:57 PM
Boortz over the top or didn't present himself the right way? No way. His anger was fully justified and his presentation was right on point. We need many more guys like him in America (and the West in general) to set the record straight and read a richly deserved riot act to the entire Islamic world, a world which is demented almost beyond belief. My compliments, Boortz.
Posted by: Wellington at July 19, 2007 12:57 PM
Boortz gets it. Guys like Hannity don't. Sean Hannity refuses to speak like this. His tone is more like "one of the world's great religions ahs been perverted" visa vis GW Bush. Which is his choice, but he's not telling the whole story. Boortz is. Good Stuff. I wish he had not cut off the Muslim guy, though. I would have loved to have heard more responses from him, just to see if Boortz made him cry!
Posted by: Oiznop at July 19, 2007 1:30 PM
My 18 year-old son just walked past my home office and spotted me with headaphones on "CHEERING" this radio guy ON and then he gave me the funniest look. Like, Mom, what on earth are you listening to?! Come here, son, listen to this!
Wow! That Radio Guy hit the nail on the head by not only exposing Islam, but by exposing the callers BS.
Wish he would run for president :)
(don't write me and tell what a dumb idea that is.I'm only kidding. Sort of)
Posted by: champ at July 19, 2007 1:31 PM
PRCS wrote: "Unfortunately, I don't think Boortz is well informed enough to engage in a chapter and verse refutation of his callers' assertions, like Will, to win."
Who are you kidding PRCS? Who's going to convince Will or convince Will's friends or win Will over? Please. This is a Muslim who called in to condemn Boortz. What is with the "well-informed" who will win? Come on. How well-informed PRCS do you need to be to win?
Posted by: monk at July 19, 2007 1:31 PM
This is a good example of how audio and visual media "has legs". We can write all we want about this stuff, but we need to understand how to reach the masses of Americans who do not understand the dark side of Islam and the complicit denial that most Muslims are guilty of.
Turn on your recorders or better, start making your own videos whereby Muslims can be exposed for their violent views or their complicit silence in the face of these views. Where are the comics!!!???
Posted by: James Martel at July 19, 2007 1:43 PM
IP,
The problem with Boortz' approach is that Will would argue:
Well, they may be Muslims, but they're acting un-Islamically.
Citing chapter and verse forces Will, and those like him, to argue against Qur'an (God's own word, if you will) and Sunnah.
They hate that.
Noting the amputation of thieve's hands (commanded in 5:38 and carried out by the Saudis)and the treatment of apostates--like Abdul Rahman--puts them on defense.
As you noted, it is irrelevant that most of the world's Muslims aren't fundamentalists willing to walk the walk; so long as thousands of them are.
Posted by: PRCS at July 19, 2007 1:44 PM
Not over the top in any way whatsoever.
Clear,concise,to the point.
Congratulations!!!!!
at July 19, 2007 1:44 PM
monk,
"Who are you kidding PRCS? Who's going to convince Will or convince Will's friends or win Will over?"
It's not about winning Will and his friends over; it's about exposing them--without wiggle room--to Boortz' audience.
Posted by: PRCS at July 19, 2007 1:59 PM
"Neal Boortz. He makes very good points in a very bad way IMO. No one wants to be lectured to this way. Does a disservice to his argument."
Nothing at all wrong with how he said it, I think it was infidelishly great how he hammered the Taqiyaa spewing believer back into the abyss.
Way to go Boortz ! Anti-Dhimmitude in our time !
at July 19, 2007 2:06 PM
Robert wrote: "He is over the top here and there, but he says what ought to be being said at the highest levels."
Witness wrote: "Over the top? No, he was NOT "over the top!" Actually, I think
Neal Boortz a little too soft and should have spoken out a bit stronger and in more assertive tones.>>>
Witness,
Might we cut Robert Spencer a little slack? Maybe he's worried about his own skin?
at July 19, 2007 2:06 PM
Robert wrote: "He is over the top here and there, but he says what ought to be being said at the highest levels."
Witness wrote: "Over the top? No, he was NOT "over the top!" Actually, I think
Neal Boortz a little too soft and should have spoken out a bit stronger and in more assertive tones.>>>
Witness,
Might we cut Robert Spencer a little slack? Maybe he's worried about his own life? Perhaps he has a wife and some children? These people are savage aren't they?
at July 19, 2007 2:09 PM
I am glad to see that our perspective is being brought into the open and gaining the legitimacy it should have always had (that is, Islam teaches Muslims to commit first degree murder of the 'unbelievers').
Neal Boortz makes a number of valid points, he does. But he is wasting his time if he thinks Islam can be 'reformed' (that is made less violent and genocidal).
Sorry, but Islam can NOT be made less murderous at least not on Muslims' account. The Kuran eliminates ALL possibilities of that from the very outset and Muslims are thus trapped into killing in the name of al-lah by the ideological parameters set up by 'Muhammad.'
Islam evolved out of the human sacrifice cults of ancient Mesopotamia and its very existence is defined by the virtually unlimited (and, to us, utterly sickening) killings we see nightly on the 10:00 news --the killing IS the nucleus of the Islamic 'religion'. Al-lah, the idol acting as the receiver of the Muslims' human sacrifices, would be very, very upset if Muslims were to STOP the carnage! (In their minds anyway).
Posted by: pythagoras at July 19, 2007 2:10 PM
PRCS, you will never fully expose them. You ought to know this. Will and his friends can always find wiggle room. These people are very adept.
Posted by: monk at July 19, 2007 2:16 PM
pythagoras is right!
We would have an easier time converting the devil than reforming Islam into being less violent -- never happen.
Islam be gone!
Posted by: champ at July 19, 2007 2:19 PM
monk,
There are aspects of Islam that cannot be argued; even by Muslim apologists.
Don't concentrate on those tenets of Islam that have wiggle room; focus on those that don't.
Posted by: PRCS at July 19, 2007 2:31 PM
..infidel seething..love it..more please..
Posted by: Madduck at July 19, 2007 2:34 PM
Wow. I'm impressed. These are rare, very rare, moments. I am so sick and tired of hearing the appeasement (and walking on egg shells) interviews in which Muslims are given a kid glove treatment. Muslims are adept at reversing "the rage" -- thus, when it's we, the Infidels, who should be enraged, the Muslims will turn it around and pretend that the "true" rage can only be expressed/allowed by them -- while Infidels must demonstrate infinite "patience." So, Muslims can be enraged, but never, ever the Infidels. (I believe this is part and parcel of the Dhimmi mindset/psychology. And how many on the left buy into this?) Anyway, two thumbs up for Neal Boortz! Excellent! Excellent!
Posted by: J.S. at July 19, 2007 2:36 PM
He is over the top here and there
Wait. We in the West are in a life-or-death struggle with muslims spreading islam through violent and non-violent jihad, and you accuse him of going "over the top"? All he is doing is talking some trash to a terrorist sympathizer who has been sussed out.
Muslims kill thousands and we are supposed to deal with them rationally. Nonsene. We should be deporting all muslims. Every single one.
Unless this whole jihad thing is no big deal. If that's the case, then I am sorry for going over the top here and there.
Posted by: mike trivisonno at July 19, 2007 2:39 PM
monk:
Islamic 'spin' is not a problem!
There are Kuran verses that short-circuit absolutely ALL possible pro-islam arguments, most notably among them being the Surah 9.5. I mean it is impossible to cover up the violence in the "slaughter the unbelievers everywhere they are found" passage. Even the most weasel-like spins would fail to put an adequate spin on this. This passage is hard proof of the danger that Islamic ideology poses to the world at large.
The trouble is no one so far has really had the cojones to put this on the world stage the way it should have been long ago. (Although I would be quite happy to do it).
Islam teaches Muslims to commit first degree murder against the unbelievers and it is al-lah's order for Muslims to obey this teaching. And for this reason it's time Islam and all of its followers were finally destroyed.
Posted by: pythagoras at July 19, 2007 2:44 PM
mike trivisonno,
Where will you deport an American born Muslim (read American citizen) to?
And under what authority?
Posted by: PRCS at July 19, 2007 2:45 PM
I produced a video with this call including all the cartoons, plus tons of pictures of the riots last year. It got banned from YouTube, but it's back up now. here's the link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RaINkjxCSM
Pease comment on it and rate it if you like.
Regards,
Cru18
at July 19, 2007 2:48 PM
Finally, somebody raises his voice slightly, slightly and makes the points that clueless MSM interviewers never make. And then what? Some think that he was over the top and failed to make his point for being that. I emphatically disagree. This is the kind of talk that should be heard over and over again on the non-MSM airwaves until the MSM catches on. You guys should elect this man for your next president.
Made my day.
Posted by: anti-uffe at July 19, 2007 2:59 PM
Boortz won't back away from these angry crybabies. He's tough on them, and points out the legitimate reasons why.
at July 19, 2007 3:02 PM
Hurray! Hurray! That's the best radio clip I've heard to date!
So right and to the point! Cuts through all the BS, and gets down to the substance, which is this is a fascist ideology called Islam.
Posted by: ofcourse at July 19, 2007 3:11 PM
A left-leaning news announcer on one of our local conservative radio talk shows, is pushing this book and author:
tshttp://www.amazon.com/Demystifying-Islam-Misunderstood-Religion-Century/dp/0979119014
Anyone heard of him?
Posted by: monk at July 19, 2007 3:33 PM
I really do believe Boortz represents many who have spent their entire life maintaining this calm, rational demeanor...and have just had enough.
The West is constantly barraged with what we need to fix in ourselves, how we 'ruined' the rest of the world, blah blah blah.
And if we respond in the negative to ANY of these accusations, or conduct any of our own critiques, we are labelled any number of vile things.
At some point, those putting up with the barrage either ignore or starting ranting back - but we rarely maintain the status quo.
I am right in Boortz's boat paddling with him. If the caller had started off deploring something Islamic, he might've gotten somewhere with me too.
Actions speak louder to me, and I can't take 'morality' advice from someone claiming for a group whose prominent members are dismembering.
Posted by: Miss_Anthrope at July 19, 2007 3:33 PM
Oh, I forgot to mention. This author, Ali Shehata
tshttp://www.amazon.com/Demystifying-Islam-Misunderstood-Religion-Century/dp/0979119014
told the radio listeners that Osama bin Laden "is not a scholar" on Islam and therefore cannot speak for Islam.
Posted by: monk at July 19, 2007 3:37 PM
This altercation of Neal Boortz with "Will" is atleast a year old. I have been passing it on for a long time.
at July 19, 2007 3:40 PM
monk,
You said maybe Robert Spencer is worried about his own skin.
You must be new to Spencer's work. Spencer has surely received death threats too numerous to count. From what I've read, the FBI sometimes keeps watch on his house. The fear of death hasn't slowed Spencer down an iota. No one knows how long he'll be around.
No, Spencer's restrained style has nothing to do with timidity and everything to do with his emphasis on facts and logic. There is a need for Boortz' loud-mouthed rhetorical approach, the talk-radio style, but we also need someone like Spencer, whose keynote is responsibility to facts and logic, encyclopedic knowledge of Islam, and avoidance of all bombast.
Whatever his flaws, Boortz deserves credit for great courage. It should be assumed that his life is in danger because of that inspired, if slightly flawed, rant.
Posted by: traeh at July 19, 2007 3:42 PM
I don't see anything wrong in his manner. he recognises that they only pretend to tell us the truth, and he isn't prepared to politely pretend to believe them. They shouldn't be allowed to get away with the "good nazi" shield, because some folk fall for it. When they have the cheeky self-assurance to try and claim a bogus track record of protest against extremism, we should know they really think they can get away with anything.
The Free Muslim Coalition held a protest march against islamic terrorism. It got very good advance notices in the press, but on the day hardly any muslims showed up. Just a raggle taggle band of Christian sympathisers and the march organisers.
There will always be a pretext prior to the next bloodletting spree, and there will always be a string of excuses after it. But islam always gazes with tacit satisfaction upon the misery it inflicts on the world, and dreams of reaping the benefit.
The West does not need muslims, and it never did. Muslims want the West, minus the westerners. We need to decide whether we can rouse ourselves to take our own side in a fight.
Posted by: Monty at July 19, 2007 3:52 PM
traeh wrote: You said maybe Robert Spencer is worried about his own skin.>>>>
I know about Robert Spencer. I've read his works and listened to his books on audio.
I'm just giving him a hard time. Spencer has a mission.
I'd like to believe God is watching out for Spencer until He's done with him. As they say, "we are all penciled in."
Posted by: monk at July 19, 2007 3:52 PM
Neal Boortz is not some right-wing bomb thrower. He worked for the governor and has the ear of many congressman. He is the author of the "fair tax" and has devotees among the present congress.
The fact that he called Islam a "cult" says to me that he "gets it." So many of the talk show circuit say that present Islam is a "perversion of the religion of peace."
Posted by: credit man at July 19, 2007 4:08 PM
Boortz 'over the top'?? For what, having the sand to holding a muslim accountable to an ethical standard other than the wickedness that is islam? Phooey. The guy is tame. He didn't even get to Nick Berg or the other murdered Americans. He didn't even scratch the surface of beheadings, etc. that islam is responsible for. Didn't breathe a word about the animals of 911. He let the muslim chump off quite easy, IMHO.
Above, infidel! said, "The time for reasoned arguments is over. The time to try to make points with these cretins is over." That's exactly right. The time for reasoning is over. You can't reason with someone who thinks allah (read:satan)is telling him to kill you. We are past that stage; war has been declared....on us. There is no more room left for hearing what these people have to say because it doesn't matter. We KNOW what they believe and that is that they want us dead. Period. End of discussions. Let the games begin...
Posted by: angryeagle at July 19, 2007 4:22 PM
I can't help laugh at those who fell for the 'Islam condones terrorism' crap Will" was trying to sell. "Will" did not say that Islam prohibits holding a "muslim brother" accountable for crimes against infidels. Have you not heard the term "Muslim brothers"? Umma? Muslims no mattewr where, belong to the "Umma" and Muslims are brothers who do not hold a fellow muslim accoutnable. If what "WIll" said was true, Osama would have been captured by now. On the contrary, muslims grant Osama the protection that Islam imposes upon them. Soft, gentle and polite as "Will" sounds he may not be lying consciously but he sure is brain-washed into lying to infidels. Either way, "Will" is lying, as we all know beyond dispute that Islam condones lying.
Posted by: Alert at July 19, 2007 4:30 PM
Monk, you say you were merely giving Robert Spencer a "hard time." I guess you thought it was so obvious that Spencer is a man of courage that no one could take seriously your comment saying he was afraid? Hmmm. To me, your various comments seem to be hiding motives, but I could be wrong, and focusing on motives no one can know is not Robert Spencer's approach, so I'll try to follow his example and just deal with the face value of what you actually say.
Monk said an author told
radio listeners that Osama bin Laden "is not a scholar" on Islam and therefore cannot speak for Islam.
Monk, you are missing the point if you think saying Bin Laden is not entitled to speak for Islam is saying something.
The point is that all the main schools of Islamic law today support the death penalty or severe punishments for apostasy from Islam. They all support the spread of Islamic law over the whole globe. They all support dhimmi, second-class status for non-Muslims: various forms of social subjugation, discrimination and humiliation that don't always force people to convert to Islam, but create huge pressures to do so, so that the non-Muslim population gradually disappears under those pressures, helped along by occasional Muslim violence and massacres by Muslims.
Furthermore, a theoretical statement that Bin Laden is not entitled to define Islam is irrelevant in the face of numerous polls of Muslims that show that significant percentages of them want Islamic law to replace Western institutions, and are in sympathy with terrorist actions by Muslims. This is no tiny minority of extremists. Many news reports have told us that the UK, for example, has to watch many thousands of Muslims. Something like 5 to 7 percent, or about 100,000 Muslims in the UK, are supportive of terror acts in the UK. 1 percent, or about 16,000 people, are willing, even eager, to participate in terror in the UK. Almost half of UK Muslims want Sharia law in the UK. The numbers are similar in the rest of Europe. Furthermore, polls show that huge numbers of Muslims worldwide admire Bin Laden.
So Bin Laden, in a way, is irrelevant. What counts is what the masses of Muslims want. Unfortunately, the most active and vocal Muslim groups and nations want barbarism. The "moderate" Muslims are, with few exceptions, suspiciously silent in the face of the leadership everywhere by traditional Muslims and radicals.
Unfortunately the so-called "moderates" do not have much support in the Islamic texts and in Islamic jurisprudence. Islam itself, and Muhammad, are not moderate, even if some Muslims are.
Posted by: traeh at July 19, 2007 4:30 PM
I can't help laugh at those who fell for the 'Islam condones terrorism' crap Will" was trying to sell. "Will" did not say that Islam prohibits holding a "muslim brother" accountable for crimes against infidels. Have you not heard the term "Muslim brothers"? Umma? Muslims no mattewr where, belong to the "Umma" and Muslims are brothers who do not hold a fellow muslim accoutnable. If what "WIll" said was true, Osama would have been captured by now. On the contrary, muslims grant Osama the protection that Islam imposes upon them. Soft, gentle and polite as "Will" sounds he may not be lying consciously but he sure is brain-washed into lying to infidels. Either way, "Will" is lying, as we all know beyond dispute that Islam condones lying. While we are at that, I bet Will" lied about his name as well.
Posted by: Alert at July 19, 2007 4:32 PM
Witness,
Might we cut Robert Spencer a little slack? Maybe he's worried about his own life? Perhaps he has a wife and some children? These people are savage aren't they?
Yes, these people (muslims) are exactly what their actions betray them to be; Mr. Spencer is not the issue per se, merely the observation that Boortz was "over the top here and there," a position with which I strenuously disagree.
Mr. Spencer, along with most JW posters, should have some degree of apprehension for their lives because of their position regarding islam; and because of the murderous rampage that our era is witness to as a result of islamic teaching -- no doubt everyone here as taken appropriate security measures.
But, why should that be?
Why should Mr. Spencer, or anyone have to be even remotely "concerned for their lives and safety" and "the lives and safety of their families," merely because they disagree with anyone or point out the evil things actually written in the quran?
Why is that?
We all know the answer to that one -- and that is precisely the core of the very issue that we must vigorously, and fearlessly address.
Boortz is one of the few with the courage to do it publicly, and Mr. Spencer is among the courageous few as well; although I think him too civilized at times when dealing with islamic barbarism, but unlike myself -- Mr. Spencer is too much a gentleman.
So, am I not free to disagree Mr. Spencer anyway?
Heck with it, I'll disagree, free or not, with anyone; but at least nobody has to live in fear of me because we are not in accord on this thing or that -- but with muslims, that is certainly NOT the case.
at July 19, 2007 4:51 PM
traeh wrote: "To me, your various comments seem to be hiding motives..."
Ah, traeh. You've outed me. I'm actually a jihadist parading as a Zionist and a Jew. Well done grasshopper!
Posted by: monk at July 19, 2007 4:51 PM
unreal!
Posted by: james collins at July 19, 2007 4:54 PM
unreal!
Posted by: james collins at July 19, 2007 4:54 PM
unreal!
Posted by: james collins at July 19, 2007 4:54 PM
monk -- you forgot "insightful" -- traeh is a very insightful grasshopper.
Posted by: champ at July 19, 2007 5:10 PM
Boortz' in my opinion was not over the top. I simply went 'wow'.
Why quote chapter and verse to discredit this caller. It would be pointless. Wouldn't the caller bring up the Torah or the Bible? Of course.
The main thrust of the this was to me, "Where are all the peaceful muslims when horrific acts are committed in the name of their religion?" First condemn the apologists and let people 'know' the infidels are getting fed up. Then go to discrediting their Koran. Instead of constantly being sensitive...we need to show moderate outrage with I think Boortz did. More please.
No outrage about all the bloodletting all over the world...yet outrage over cartoons? Yeah start with that.
Like someone said on this thread...Islam isn't going to change. So let us with some moral outrage condemn thier acts against children, women, and people of all races and religions even their own religion.
at July 19, 2007 5:16 PM
Hooray for Neal Boortz. Who cares if he is "over the top"? He said what we in the civilized world have wanted to scream at the moslem world. Get 'em Neal.Posted by: SAtarzanquoted for truth,Boortz is the man.
at July 19, 2007 5:31 PM
Over the top, I don't think he was over the top, he
told it like it is, it's about time these people
were lectured to anyway. Well done Mr Neal Boortz.
at July 19, 2007 5:31 PM
Monk
Actually, you sound a little like a Jewish convert to Islam. I can almost hear the wheels of that anguished Jewish conscience turning uneasily inside the Islamic faith. Then again, you could also be a Muslim former Christian. ;^).
I'm just giving you a hard time. Like it?
-- grasshopper
at July 19, 2007 5:37 PM
Colin Powell: "talk to Hamas"
This is the Secretary of State that pounded Sharon into submission. In no way does it absolve Ariel Sharon. Remember when Bush first announced his vision for a Palestinian jihadist state in the Holy Land only days after the September 11, 2001 atrocities.
Sharon pleaded with Mr. Bush: "I call on the Western democracies and primarily the leader of the free world, the United States: Do not repeat the dreadful mistake of 1938 when enlightened European democracies decided to sacrifice Czechoslovakia for a convenient temporary solution. Do not try to appease the Arabs on our expense. This is unacceptable to us. Israel will not be Czechoslovakia. Israel will fight terrorism."
What angered Washington most was Sharon's comparison to Europe ceding parts of Czechoslovakia to Hitler. Secretary of State Colin called Sharon once to voice the president's displeasure, then again later, after the prime minister agreed to issue a conciliatory statement. See:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0110/06/smn.06.html
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1184766015860&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
Jul. 19, 2007 19:28 | Updated Jul. 19, 2007 19:33
Colin Powell: Quartet should find way to talk to Hamas
By ASSOCIATED PRESS
WASHINGTON
Former US Secretary of State Colin Powell said Thursday the international diplomatic Quartet on the Middle East should find some way to talk to Hamas......
at July 19, 2007 6:06 PM
traeh wrote: "I'm just giving you a hard time. Like it?"
I will answer you. First answer this question please. What do you think of President Bush and his war on "terrorism?"
Posted by: monk at July 19, 2007 6:10 PM
Ok, Monk,
I went over your comments again, and I can see it would be wrong of me to draw any conclusions from the fact that you twice make comments with links to an apologetic Islamic tract, and in effect invite people to check that apologetic tract out. That certainly doesn't necessitate the conclusion that you are a covert Muslim.
As for your suggestion that Robert Spencer is acting out of fear, I can see that I have no right to conclude from that, that you have any hostility to the man or his work. Maybe you had perfectly harmless and innocent reasons for saying Spencer, one of the most courageous men alive, might be acting out of fear. Maybe that statement of yours had nothing to do with, say, some sort of emotional incontinence that could not contain a hidden hostility to the man, so that it leaked out in two comments of yours. True, a certain emotional incontinence is suggested by the somewhat non sequitur introduction of that statement of yours about Spencer, but then again, people don't talk in neat sequences, so who knows.
I can also see that your defense of the statement that Robert Spencer might be acting out of fear is not necessarily an insincere defense. You defend it by saying you were only giving Robert Spencer "a hard time." Usually, when someone says he's "only giving you a hard time," though, that means the comment is a joke, a tease, something not meant. But when I look at your comment above in its original context, I see no sign whatsoever that you were joking or teasing. But still, maybe you didn't mean anything by it. Maybe you even thought that making such a comment about Robert Spencer was a way of "defending" him against the comments of Witness, who was disagreeing with Spencer on a point, though without attacking Spencer.
So it would be totally unfair of me not to admit that everyone should give you the benefit of the doubt. -- grasshopper
Posted by: traeh at July 19, 2007 6:18 PM
"I also want to speak tonight directly to Muslims throughout the world. We respect your faith. It's practiced freely by many millions of Americans, and by millions more in countries that America counts as friends. Its teachings
are good and peaceful, and those who commit evil in the name of Allah blaspheme the name of Allah."
George W. Bush, September 20, 2001: Address to a Joint Session of Congress and the American People United States Capitol Washington, D.C.
http://www.JerusalemOnline.com/specials7.asp
Posted by: monk at July 19, 2007 6:21 PM
Neal Boortz vs. a durkadurka?
I vote Neal hands down...I dont give a rats ass what the caller is complaining about, his take is an UNDERSTATEMENT, and this durkaditz deserves anything doled out to him...screw protocol, screw manners, and screw "seeeensitivity".
^5s to Neal!
at July 19, 2007 6:34 PM
Monk said:
I will answer you. First answer this question please. What do you think of President Bush and his war on "terrorism?"
I have mixed feelings about GWB's war on terror.
Apparently you have a strong opinion on the question you ask me. Why not just state your opinion?
I also now see you have quoted a statement by George W. Bush on Islam and terror. But it's impossible to tell, since you offer no thoughts of your own on the quote, if you agree with Bush's statement or not. Thus you confirm my previously expressed feeling that you are somehow coy in your comments. Why not say what you think? It's your right to be coy, or indirect, or elusive, or whatever it is, but then you can't entirely blame others for suspecting your motives.
at July 19, 2007 6:42 PM
traeh wrote: "Apparently you have a strong opinion on the question you ask me. Why not just state your opinion?"
Yes indeed I do have a strong opinion. You are right. I said, Mr. Bush wants to establish a Palestinian terrorist state in the Holy Land. What is your opinion?
Posted by: monk at July 19, 2007 6:48 PM
Monk,
I don't think Bush wants to establish a terror state. But I imagine that could well be the result of his often misguided efforts in the Middle East.
at July 19, 2007 6:59 PM
Monk, your prophet mo was no prophet. He was a false prophet. He was a murderer. He was a child-molester. He was demon-possessed as can be easily seen by the actions of his followers. He was lied to and he passed those lies on to you. He is dead and he can't help you. Leave islam now before the shirt sleeves get rolled up and we start dragging you out of your homes.
Posted by: angryeagle at July 19, 2007 7:00 PM
Not too sure how old the Boortz interview is, but there is this just in:
Radio host condemned for 'Islam is a cult'
CAIR cites Neil Boortz for angry confrontation of Muslim caller
Posted: July 19, 2007
6:40 p.m. Eastern
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56759
Interesting indeed.
Posted by: witness at July 19, 2007 7:03 PM
traeh, you say you have mixed feelings about GWB's war on terror.
You don't think Bush wants to establish a terror state in the Holy Land.
Please tell me you are a pagan. You aren't a Christian I hope. Please tell me you are a secularist or a pagan. Christians don't write these things, so they? "I have mixed feelings."
"I'm confused. I'm neither hot nor cold."
Posted by: monk at July 19, 2007 7:05 PM
Sorry I meant to write: "Christians don't write these things, do they?"
Posted by: monk at July 19, 2007 7:08 PM
Treah your vigilence is note worthy as well as your ability to conviene your thoughts but i think monk is in the for good guys. I think you can holster that mental 45. of yours.
Posted by: 19thgenamerican at July 19, 2007 7:09 PM
Hi CAIR:
who are you labeling a hate-site?
Has does the word "libel" strike you in your judicial jihad efforts?
You are not the only people who have JD's and have access to the courts.
Choose your battles carefully CAIR; not all the judges and local politicians are in your hip-pockets, and you might just loose that fight you are contemplating with a gigantic counter suit for harassment -- maybe a little class-action will be in the mix too.
The Council on American-Islamic Relations said in its daily e-mail dispatch today an audio clip of the conversation – the date is not indicated – "is circulating on anti-Muslim Internet hate sites."
at July 19, 2007 7:12 PM
Monk in his 6:48 PM comment said:
I said, Mr. Bush wants to establish a Palestinian terrorist state in the Holy Land.
Sorry Monk, where did you say that before? I don't see it anywhere, except in the 6:48 PM comment I've just quoted.
Posted by: traeh at July 19, 2007 7:12 PM
Hey monk, Paegan is a derogatory staement that means country bumkin. As a polythiest i take offense to that, what are you some kind of Polythiestophobe?
As a polythiest i believe that Isreal has the right to exist and I think my nation should support them to the end
at July 19, 2007 7:14 PM
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56759
Posted by: witness at July 19, 2007 7:14 PM
Colin Powell: "talk to Hamas"
This is the Secretary of State that pounded Sharon into submission. In no way does it absolve Ariel Sharon. Remember when Bush first announced his vision for a Palestinian jihadist state in the Holy Land only days after the September 11, 2001 atrocities.
at July 19, 2007 7:17 PM
The loving statements (about islam)of GWB and his buddy Colin Powell are why his supporters are leaving him. We know hatred when we see it, call it "peaceful" till you are blue in the face, a rose is still a rose by any other name.
Posted by: interestinconundrum at July 19, 2007 7:18 PM
"Hey monk, Paegan is a derogatory staement that means country bumkin. As a polythiest i take offense to that, what are you some kind of Polythiestophobe?
As a polythiest i believe that Isreal has the right to exist and I think my nation should support them to the end"
Sorry 19thgenamerican. No offense intended.
Posted by: monk at July 19, 2007 7:19 PM
Don't Muslims hate homosexuals? This guy calls himself a Muslim?
Posted by: The Goobs at July 19, 2007 7:20 PM
lol joking myself
at July 19, 2007 7:23 PM
His tact was left wanting but is there anyone in this room who is without this guilt?
I am certainly guilty.
Hey when you are fed up you are fed up.
I thought it was brilliant in an out the window with the norm sort of way.
Sometimes a man just has to do what a man has to do.
Posted by: Dar al-harb at July 19, 2007 7:24 PM
19thgenamerican said:
i think monk is in the for good guys.Yep, that's pretty clear by now. I console myself for my errors by remembering that monk dared to suggest Spencer was acting out of fear. Since Spencer is one of the few people in the world daily risking his life for a good cause, monk's suggestion was just too egregiously slanderous and ungrateful not to respond to. As it turns out, he didn't mean it the way it came out.
Ok, so we all, myself especially included, make mistakes.
Posted by: traeh at July 19, 2007 7:25 PM
Witness - that is indeed interesting. Obviously CAIR follows closely and is concerned about the dialogue on JW.
Sorry CAIR. There's nothing wrong with expressing a little righteous anger now and then. Even Jesus did it once.
Besides which, why should infidels be constantly exposed to questions like "What is going on on the Arab/Muslim street?" and "Why do they hate us?" without ever once "turning the tables" (heh) and expecting that Muslims will listen to what is going on in "the infidel street", which is precisely what Boortz is conveying?
Moreover CAIR - your choosing to whine about this, given your comparative silence on all the atrocities Muslims are committing throughout the world, is EXACTLY WHAT BOORTZ IS TALKING ABOUT!
So congratulations CAIR - you've managed to prove Boortz's point!
at July 19, 2007 7:28 PM
Monk,
Actually I'm a Christian-pagan who feels a lot of pride in, and sympathy with, the Jewish part of my background (my father is Jewish).
at July 19, 2007 7:34 PM
Boortz is a courageous man, and I commend him for his efforts.
The World body is waking up to what islam really is. And, not long from now, islamists will face a choice:
Integrate and assimilate into Western society, be tolerant and respectful of our culture and our democratic governments (whether you like them or not). Get a job. Stop wearing your masks and black sheets while expecting no alarm or untoward glances from the kufar. Stop spreading hatred for Israel and the Jews. America will always protect Israel and the Jews, so get over it. Learn to accept homosexuals, freaks of nature, nudists, Christians, Buddhists, Catholics, Hindus, Athiests, Animists, Polyethists, Wiccans, and ___ insert your favorite belief here.
Frankly, I am fed up with the moslems. They have not proven their dedication or patriotism; I believe that they are now self-imposed pariahs of society, and they proudly earned that title by seething and whining for themselves, while killing innocents in the name of the rock named 'allah'.
Belsan did it for me. That's the day that I decided once and for all, that there was no going back. When you kill an innocent child by shooting him/her in the back while they are absolutely terrified and covered in their feces, just trying to make a run for mommy or daddy's arms, and a moslem shoots and kills that child in front of the parents own eyes... That is the day that I truly knew that islam drew the line.
I have no sympathy for anything that might happen to moslems in the western hemisphere. No sympathy, no feelings, no afterthought, no concern whatsoever. The moslems have managed to terrify millions of innocents throughout the entire EARTH, with impunity for over 2 decades.
I highly suggest a population exchange.
Posted by: Laughs_at_Silly_Jihadis at July 19, 2007 7:36 PM
traeh, you wrote: "I console myself for my errors by remembering that monk dared to suggest Spencer was acting out of fear."
Mark my word. Monk will to be the one murdered by the jihadists.
R. Spencer will likely go to his fathers in peace and be buried at a good old age (Gen 15:15) is my best guess.
Posted by: monk at July 19, 2007 7:38 PM
The word condemned has lost all it's meaning.Instead of the words Jihad,Islam,Muslims,terrorism,islamofascists and whatever else i left out be made not to be spoken.How about lets not say condemned for a while.
I will leave it up to the word scholars to bring in the next future hollow word.
Posted by: Dar al-harb at July 19, 2007 7:38 PM
traeh, if you feel a lot of pride in, and sympathy with, the Jewish part of your background (and your father is Jewish), how can you not see Mr. Bush as an enemy of the Jews?
He's no friend, is he? I say this as a thirty six year registered Republican who voted for this self-professed Christian in 2000. I am very sorry I ever supported this man.
Posted by: monk at July 19, 2007 7:43 PM
Monk,
I'm sorry to hear you expect to be murdered by the jihadists. Do you live in the Middle East? Are you in some sort of vulnerable situation or perhaps one of the Christians still trying to survive in Lebanon? There seems to be a sort of holocaust going on against Christians in the Muslim world...
at July 19, 2007 7:44 PM
Mr. Powell should shut up, He has never been elected to anything, he has never participated in a war in which we came out winners. I have had it up to my neck with these has been never won nuttin but are sure they know what is best for America crowd, I would sooner listen to Bill Cosby at least he speaks with a level of sanity and got where he is on his own not through any gubment affirmative action program. Plus, he tells jokes, he is not a joke himself. Mr. Powell, if he is serious should consider leading the palis on his humanitarian mission gone terribly wrong. For crying out loud they are teaching pre k children to become homicide bombers in a sesame street type of atmosphere, where is your brain sir? He has obviously spent much of his life here in the USA and learned absolutely nothing. Opps, he has learned something, he doesn’t want to kill the enemy he wants to somehow convert them, uh that’s not a general that’s a recruiter. I have one thing more to say to him and his peers, thanks for the service(no not the lip service), now get lost we have women and children to look out for and frankly sir you are in the way.
Mr. Bush should shut up he has never been, oh wait he has, ok he has never been elected chief islamopologist for the USA. Here is a hint sir, be a president not an islamopologist in case you have forgotten we here are Americans and we follow something called the Constitution, it never mentions islam or what it supposedly represents and neither should you and that goes double for appointed not elected gubment personnel of questionable intellect, loyalty and agenda. I understand where he and others are coming from though, think about it, when the truth finally surfaces and becomes clear to all these people who have been deceived who have been sleeping with, heck sharing hugs with the enemy. Well, they are going to look like idiots they will be disgraced in American history books from that day forward so they have a lot to lose if islam doesn’t really mean peace. Instead of telling us what islam means they should stick to scrutinizing Americans toothpaste making air travel a nightmare, giving weekly tours/briefings of our security apparatus to cair, being out front in nipping at the bud any linkage between islam and criminal enterprise, visiting mosques/hosting islamoprayer breakfasts and generally providing the islamists with the hope that they need to sustain themselves and win out over time.
at July 19, 2007 7:46 PM
Monk, if you are killed by jihadi's (and most of us will be if we continue to support a corrupt government (Dem and Republican) that supports and encourages their endeavors for the sake of a gat-damned vote), I'm sure that you will know peace. Right?
I don't believe that you are a jihad.
Posted by: Laughs_at_Silly_Jihadis at July 19, 2007 7:48 PM
Evil Jews! Evil High Court Jews!
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1184766005813&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
Jul. 18, 2007 22:28 | Updated Jul. 19, 2007 20:53
Palestinian prisoners to be freed Friday
By JPOST STAFF AND TOVAH LAZAROFF
The High Court of Justice on Thursday rejected a petition submitted by the Almagor Terror Victims Association calling for a cancellation of the planned release of 256 Palestinian security prisoners (Palestinian terrorist murderers).......
at July 19, 2007 7:55 PM
Do you live in the Middle East? >>>
No traeh. I live here in the U.S. at the moment. I fully intend to immigrate (make Aliyah) to Israel, God willing, as soon as possible. I've got nothing keeping me here.
Posted by: monk at July 19, 2007 8:01 PM
Monk,
I don't think Bush's policies are very good for the Jews. But Bush may think his policies are benign toward the Jews. Last I heard, in fact, he was the most Israel-positive president there has been in a long time. His evangelical Christian background supposedly inclines him to feel very supportive toward Israel.
I don't support Bush's policies. I only said I don't think Bush has adopted, as a conscious goal, setting up a terror state.
Bush seems to hope that a PLO state can somehow be made civilized, free and democratic. His idea is in agreement with Anatoly Sharansky's view that freedom is a prerequisite for peace. Bush ordered Condi Rice to read Sharansky's book espousing that view. Free societies' institutions are built up from, and train people constantly in, the arts of compromise and free speech. Free Palestinians, so the thinking goes, would get to hear all sides of an issue through a free press and media, and therefore would be educated to moderation and readier to compromise and to coexist with Israel, whereas a dictatorial culture allows only one side to be heard and seeks to absorb and destroy anything independent.
But I think Bush's view of Islam, if he holds the view he has publicly expressed, is way off the mark. I think Bush is far too optimistic about the compatibility of Islam and freedom. I also think it's disgusting -- though for realist geopolitical reasons unknown to me it might be necessary -- that Bush is apparently going to send millions of dollars of aid to the PLO government.
Posted by: traeh at July 19, 2007 8:14 PM
Laughs_at_Silly_Jihadis said:
Monk...I don't believe that you are a jihad[i].
Yep, I think at this point it's about as obvious as it can be that Monk is not a jihadi.
Posted by: traeh at July 19, 2007 8:22 PM
Another thing CAIR - Ali Sina, in his new book, makes a terrific case for the fact that Islam is indeed a cult. Every aspect of what constitutes a cult is embodied in Islam.
Besides the obvious narcissistic personality disorder of Islam's founder, a clear sign of a cult is demonizing the outsiders (check) and killing those who leave the cult (check).
We infidels owe Islam, the ideology, no free pass in our criticism. If Neil Boortz correctly characterizes Islam as a "cult", your personal feelings are irrelevant with regards to his statement.
Apparently the Germans think that Scientology is a cult and they are giving Tom Cruise a hard time accordingly.
Muslims get no free pass here. This is the West. We still have freedom of speech and public commenters are free to characterize Islam as a "cult" if that's how they see it.
Your whining, self-serving complaints about Americans exercising their rights to free speech, especially when there is considerable basis in fact for their claims, will earn you no friends here.
And why would you expect special dispensation anyway, when you have characterized the religious beliefs of your host society as a false perversion of your own faith?
Oh yeah. Stupid question. It's because you think you are right and are utterly incapable of understanding that everyone thinks they are right! And that's why we have a genuinely pluralistic society in which nobody's religious claim to be right trumps the claim of anyone else.
But you and your ilk stand virtually alone in the modern world in not understanding that basic concept.
And so - with all that said CAIR, and with all due respect - screw you. You are obviously the enemy.
Posted by: Caroline at July 19, 2007 8:53 PM
"(incidentally, since when do Muslims who are born Muslims have names like Will?)" - Posted by: Infidel Pride
Wondering much the same thing . . .recall this fellow from the Emory Wheel which interacted with RS in the past.
Jihad means much more than violence (but it also means violence)In "Jihad Means Much More Than Violence" in the Emory Wheel, Emory University senior Will Caldwell, a Muslim, objects to the David Horowitz Freedom Center's Terrorism Awareness Program for the ad it placed in the Wheel, "What Americans Need to Know About Jihad." (Other campus newspapers are simply refusing to run it.)
Now in one of the archived "Emory Wheel" threads, a frequent commenter states that the Emory "Will" is a recent revert.
That doesn't necessarily eliminate the possibility that it's the same "Will". Muhammedans believe that everyone is born a muslim, which means taqiyya may be at play here too.
at July 19, 2007 9:30 PM
Here's the clip from WND. Don't you think CAIR monitors this site?
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A controversial Washington-based Islamic lobby group today is highlighting as "Islamophobia" a heated radio talk-show exchange in which host Neil Boortz tells a Muslim caller Islam is a "cult," not a religion.
The Council on American-Islamic Relations said in its daily e-mail dispatch today an audio clip of the conversation – the date is not indicated – "is circulating on anti-Muslim Internet hate sites."
A copy of the clip was posted on YouTube.com Oct. 8, 2006.
The caller began: "Sir, I'm calling because of some statements you've been making in the past week about the religion of Islam and … "
Boortz interrupted: It's a cult, it's not even a religion. … "
After a long list of crimes perpetrated all over the world in the name of Islam, the talk host told the caller, "You don't have a word of condemnation in you until the non-Islamic world rises up and starts to make it clear that we are fed up with your damned religion. We've had it up to here.
"And somebody, like I said yesterday, somebody needs to grab the Muslim world by the shirt collar, backhand it a good one, knock it into the damn corner and say straighten up or we're gonna eradicate you beetles from the face of the Earth. … "
CAIR asked its constituents not to contact Boortz, because he "can and will use any comments to further defame Islam and Muslim."
"This clip was offered only to demonstrate the growing level of Islamophobic rhetoric in our society," the group said.
CAIR, which brands itself as a mainstream promoter of civil rights, has been named with two other prominent U.S. Islamic groups as an "unindicted co-conspirator" in a plot to fund the terrorist group Hamas. Jury selection is underway for the trial in Dallas.
CAIR is a spinoff of the defunct Islamic Association for Palestine, launched by Hamas leader Mousa Abu Marzook and former university professor Sami al-Arian, who pleaded guilty last year to conspiracy to provide services to Palestinian Islamic Jihad. Several CAIR staffers have been convicted on terrorism-related charges, and CAIR founder Omar Ahmad allegedly told a group of Muslims they are in America not to assimilate but to help assert Islam's rule over the country.
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Boortz had a group of muslims protesting outside his office at least once in the past. Protesting his freedom of opinion and trying to silence him.
at July 19, 2007 9:33 PM
Ironic since CAIR has lost members bigtime, about 91% say. Ironic also since the msm still believes it does speak for Muslims.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at July 19, 2007 9:58 PM
At last Islam is being treated for what it is, A CULT that is cloaked as a religion.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at July 19, 2007 10:05 PM
God Bless Neil Boortz for speak out for the truth. Truth hurts but it is the truth. Keep up the good work.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at July 19, 2007 10:08 PM
"CAIR asked its constituents not to contact Boortz, because he "can and will use any comments to further defame Islam and Muslim."
A sign that CAIR is getting a bit on the nervous side.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at July 19, 2007 10:15 PM
"CAIR asked its constituents not to contact Boortz, because he "can and will use any comments to further defame Islam and Muslim." A sign that CAIR is getting a bit on the nervous side. - bigcatgirl13106
As it should be.
Posted by: justamomof4 at July 19, 2007 10:21 PM
My take on the lack of outrage with Muslim violence on anyone at all, and the severe overreactive reaction when something as innocuous as cartoons is that the Muslims are insular, and have a superiority complex. It is then OK for Muslims to do whatever they want because they are not answerable to perceived lower status groups/people.
When these "inferior" groups and people criticize Islam or any of the horrific acts of agression, the Ummah takes umbrage with that "outside" and "inferior" entity with extreme vile.
I have seen this played out countless times in western society as well when for example you dare criticize the Green movement, or Liberals, or some of their whacked out ideas. The first thing that happens is you get a violent reaction, and condescension, and ostracization. Sometimes you get calls for the perpetrators death as is the case on a regular basis at KOZ.
Thus it appears to me that the Muslims and the Lieberals/greens are walking lockstep with each other. The end goal may be different but the modus operandi is the roughly the same.
at July 19, 2007 10:23 PM
Another thing CAIR - Ali Sina, in his new book, makes a terrific case for the fact that Islam is indeed a cult. Every aspect of what constitutes a cult is embodied in Islam.Caroline
Have you bought Ali's new book - I thought it was pulled from publication.
On the cult thing, he had written about it long ago here.
Posted by: Infidel Pride at July 19, 2007 10:39 PM
HardBody,
"My take on the lack of outrage with Muslim violence on anyone at all, and the severe overreactive reaction when something as innocuous as cartoons is that the Muslims are insular, and have a superiority complex. It is then OK for Muslims to do whatever they want because they are not answerable to perceived lower status groups/people.
When these "inferior" groups and people criticize Islam or any of the horrific acts of agression, the Ummah takes umbrage with that "outside" and "inferior" entity with extreme vile.
I have seen this played out countless times in western society as well when for example you dare criticize the Green movement, or Liberals, or some of their whacked out ideas. The first thing that happens is you get a violent reaction, and condescension, and ostracization. Sometimes you get calls for the perpetrators death as is the case on a regular basis at KOZ.
Thus it appears to me that the Muslims and the Lieberals/greens are walking lockstep with each other. The end goal may be different but the modus operandi is the roughly the same."
But as more folks learn the truth about Islam, and stand up to the Muslims, the more cracks are going to be seen in this superiority complex.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at July 19, 2007 10:50 PM
When CAIR tells its members not to call Neil Boortz, that means the cracks are begining to show bigtime in the superority complex.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at July 19, 2007 10:54 PM
IP - When it came out I jumped right on it and got one of the first 200 (I believe it was) or so copies before it was pulled. I reckon that makes my copy a "collector's edition". :-)
Posted by: Caroline at July 19, 2007 11:11 PM
Not Muslim, Moslem.
Boortz is fine; Mark Levin is better.
Dollar to a doughnut both either lurk in here or even post.
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at July 19, 2007 11:26 PM
Whether Islam is a cult, a religion, an ideology, or all of these, its classification is not really important. What is important - vital, in fact, to understand - is that this belief system, adhered to in some or in full measure by one and a half billion, is fundamentally and utterly evil. Islam professes to be the only legitimate belief system, and the only one that is permissible. No others are to be tolerated. Adherents of other belief systems are to be conquered, killed, or enslaved, their lands and properties confiscated as booty and divided up as spoils. The prescription of warfare and the killing and subjugation of the entire infidel world is obligatory for all Muslims, individually and collectively. All of this is endlessly and tediously reiterated in the Koran, elaborated by numberless hadiths, and subjected to endless discussion and analysis by Islamic jurists since the late 600s C.E. Warfare is the command of Allah, and all believers, who, having submitted to Islam, are slaves of Allah, commanded to do His bidding and kill, enslave, and destroy, so that Shari'a rules the world. This is Islam, and it is evil - unremittingly, nakedly evil. It must be destroyed. (Note: Read "The Legacy of Jihad" by Andrew Bostom. Please.)
Posted by: commonsense at July 19, 2007 11:58 PM
Neal Boortz is great.
And so is this website and my respect for Robert.
But I was dismayed that the first few comments I looked at after hearing Neal, was that Neal was over the top.
I'm thinking, "Jeez, we even have apologists on this website, who'd of thunk".
Mr Boortz tells it like it is. We're fed up.
But the fact of it is we're really not collectively fed up enough.
When those people died on 9/11, and the soldiers die everyday in Iraq and Afghanistan, Nick Berg, and Daniel Pearle--though they are not my brothers and sisters--they are my brothers and sisters.
We should be damned pissed off, and we will rise up. They might not fear death, but let them die in vats of swine entrails.
Posted by: Mikey at July 20, 2007 12:22 AM
C-U-L-T
cult (kŭlt) pronunciation
n.
1.
1. A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader.
2. The followers of such a religion or sect.
2. A system or community of religious worship and ritual.
3. The formal means of expressing religious reverence; religious ceremony and ritual.
4. A usually nonscientific method or regimen claimed by its originator to have exclusive or exceptional power in curing a particular disease.
5.
1. Obsessive, especially faddish, devotion to or veneration for a person, principle, or thing.
2. The object of such devotion.
6. An exclusive group of persons sharing an esoteric, usually artistic or intellectual interest.
[Latin cultus, worship, from past participle of colere, to cultivate.]
cultic cul'tic or cult'ish adj.
cultism cult'ism n.
cultist cult'ist n.
If one is going to describe the what's, where's and how's as a result of said c-u-l-t, one then has to return right back to the fact that just got done being expanded on:
"It's...a...c-u-l-t" end of story.
at July 20, 2007 12:24 AM
I listen to Boortz almost every day. He has slowly evolved into a realist where islam is concerned. He used to be a typical, ignorant American who knew nothing about islam. He is now an angry American who still doesn't know much about islamic doctrine but intuitively understands that it is treacherous, insidious, and a threat to the West. His opinions about islam are primarily based upon the actions and statements of muslims but he has also made a concerted effort to learn more about what islam teaches.
No, he can't quote verses from the qur'an to back up his statements but even if he could, he would be accused of ignorance and taking them out of context. If that didn't work, he would be called a racist, bigot, islamophobe. Sometimes it is best not to delve into the technical aspects of a subject you instinctively understand but lack the expertise to teach to someone else. Even if I knew nothing about islamic dogma, I would still be very skeptical and suspicious due to the barbaric behavior of so many muslims in so many places around the world. Their behavior would be proof enough that there are elements of this "religion" that encourage and condone violence and maniacal irrationality.
Boortz is one of the few talk show hosts who isn't afraid to talk candidly about islam and the hideous atrocities of muslims. I was listening to him when he had this little rant and I'm not sure when it was, but it seems like a long time ago to me! He was livid about the flying imams escapade and talked about that for days. Boortz is an attorney and co-authored The Fair Tax book. He's a smart guy but can be brash.
at July 20, 2007 12:56 AM
News from Cairns/Downunder:
WEDNESDAY 25 JULY
UNDERSTANDING ISLAM - 3:30pm to 6pm
Public Forum - bookings essential contact 4044 3324
Venue: Cairns City Council Civic Reception, Spence St
Guest speaker Dr Mohamad Abdalla, director of the Griffith
University Centre for Islamic Studies speaks about the basic
teachings and beliefs of Islam with an emphasis on clarifying
issues such as Jihad and women in Islam.
Anybody concerned about the new mosque and the spread of Islam in Australia should attend.
at July 20, 2007 1:06 AM
My attempts at telepathy have finally succeeded.
This little Taqiyya minstrel's show was Beautifully Boortzed!
"Islam does not condone that..." quoth the Raver.
Nevermore?
Except in the Koran. And Hadiths.
When a President talks like this, we may have a chance.
Posted by: profitsbeard at July 20, 2007 1:23 AM
Too bad so many here have twisted criticism of Boortz' performance into apology.
Will asserted that Islam does not condone the atrocities Boortz listed, and Boortz did not specifically refute that claim; but could have had he been better informed.
I suspect he's working on that.
It is one thing to point out the atrocities Muslims are committing 'in the name of Islam'; it would have been better to point out--chapter and verse--why they're doing it and have Will (a real Muslim apologist) try to deny those facts.
Not every chapter and verse; just a few--the right few.
Boortz doesn't know if Will had tried to call in once or a thousand times.
As Robert noted, he was over the top here and there.
Posted by: PRCS at July 20, 2007 1:29 AM
"Over The Top" is what is was called in WW I when soldiers went over the trench tops and into combat.
Nothing wrong with that.
Radio is a hot medium, and not the best venue for explaining the violence-sanctifying minutae of the Hadiths and which specific Koranic quotes promote endless war and terror and slavery.
It can be deadening for a host, whose personality is more volatile, to go into such cool details.
Which is why he should have Mr. Spencer on as a guest, to explicate the finer points of the argument behind the passion.
Boortz for intensity and Spencer for perspicacity.
Posted by: profitsbeard at July 20, 2007 1:47 AM
Sheikyermami -
I assume you're going along to observe Mr Abdalla? BTW - if you want his curriculum vitae all you have to do is google Griffith University and Islamic Centre and poke around a bit.
I hope you have some friends to go with you. If you're a Christian it might be interesting to wear a conspicuous cross and carry a Bible.
Do you know any Christians in Cairns who are going along to that taqiyya/ daawa-fest? If they are, they should get hold of Mark Durie's book, 'Revelation?' first, and study the list it has at the back, comprising 1. a handy table of the glaring contrasts between Islamic and Biblical teaching about Jesus and God and 2. innocent questions for Christians to ask Muslims. They could always photocopy same, pop it in their back pocket, and try out some of the questions on Mr Abdalla. Given that Rev Durie lived for many years in Aceh, among fanatical Muslims, the questions he suggests are probably the ones he found to be most effective for 'de-programming'.
I suppose at question time you could always recite Surah 9:5 and ask whether he believes it to be authoritative, yes or no. Or the verse about wife-beating and ask him: is this authoritative, yes or no? Or the verses that tell Muslims NEVER to really truly make friends with Jews, or Christians, or infidels: does he obey this one, yes or no? Or: does he think apostates and blasphemers should be killed, yes or no? Were Ayaan Hirsi Ali or Salman Rushdie in the room, what would he do? And watch him like a hawk.
Thanks for posting that notice. I live too far away to be able to go along and watch the fun; but be assured that I will pray - Confusion to the Jihad! Confusion to all Daawa!
Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at July 20, 2007 1:54 AM
Clarification - that line 'Jews, Christians, or infidels' should have been 'Jews, Christians, or any other Infidels'.
Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at July 20, 2007 1:55 AM
boortz sounds like an idiot
Posted by: jt at July 20, 2007 2:39 AM
Goob: posted 7:20 Caught that too! ..the same with the two lesbo muslim busted in Dallas! keheee
I Cannot stand Powell what a two face liar, traitor! I could not believe the things i heard him say about a month ago! I could spit! He so wanted to go into retirement and he comes out and speaks against the war Bush! Take off that uniform, you do not deserve it! Creeping appeaser!
Posted by: MZ at July 20, 2007 2:58 AM
WOW. Great stuff.
Posted by: ewha1 at July 20, 2007 8:53 AM
jt,
I rather call Neil Boortz a new Paul Revere for the 21st century.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at July 20, 2007 9:50 AM
dumbledoresarmy: "Jews, Christians, or infidels' should have been 'Jews, Christians, or any other Infidels'."
I'm not 100% sure about that. Christian and Jews has had a special (dhimmi) status in the (totalitarian) islamic state. (I think it is "people of the book" or something...) This doesn't mean that everything is good and we can be happy, but maybe a better dhimmi status than for the infidels...???
Well, I think Robert knows and buy "The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam". It's a good start. (I'm not half through it yet, but soon...)
Posted by: magnus andersson at July 20, 2007 11:16 AM
This guy has got what it takes to confront any shifty obfuscating islamopologist on this highly volatile subject. Bush out Boortz in.
Posted by: SHEIK RATTLE'n'ROLL at July 20, 2007 12:09 PM
I normally steer clear of the angry ranting types (why do so many people on this website admire scum like Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter?!), but this dude NAILED it. It's probably best that he didn't get bogged down in details about specific Koranic passages--no need for that. He confronted the Muslim caller with simple, straightforward complaints, and the dude couldn't refute them. That, I think, says a lot about the kind of religion Islam truly is--a violent, vacuous faith that brooks no criticism and is unapologetic about its embrace of basic primal violence. It brings out the worst in people--always.
Posted by: GetBornAgain at July 20, 2007 12:09 PM
Very well said!! Over the top here and there? I do not think so. Maybe not politically correct, but that is exactly what is neccessary to wake up the world to this ideology, called Islam.
Let there be no mistake, that they are planning to take over the western world, using our resources, while implementing the sharia (Islam) law. If we do not wake up to this threat, we end up like Europe. I fled from my home country of The Netherlands, to escape this threat. So that my children (two girls) can go to school without being called sluts by 10 year old moslim boys, who are thaught at home that all western girls are sluts and there for the taking. As is everything western. That is why robbing a western person is considered a act of heroism. Believe me. You will not find this information in the political correct media, but Europe is already becoming Islamic. Do not let America be next.
at July 20, 2007 12:58 PM
I am in NO way an apologist for Islam. I too have carried anger for the same horrors that Neal Boortz lists. That anger dates all the way back, even BEFORE Munich to the murder of the schoolchildren at Quiriat Shmona. I love kids, ALL KIDS and to see ANY of them suffer saddens and angers me to the point of wanting violent retribution for their suffering.
Having SAID all that, I am behooved to point out that the reason that peace-loving Muslims DON'T speak out is because they fear violent retaliation from the Islamist goons and gangsters in much the same way that the Dutch feared vengeful retaliation from the antisemitic nazi collaborators in their midst in the forties - which led to the decimation of 75 percent of the Netherlands' Jewish population (including Anne Frank, her sister Margot and their Mother Edith).
at July 20, 2007 3:36 PM
ckean - let's assume your point is true about the moderate Muslims failing to speak out because of intimidation and fear. But then wouldn't you expect that in all these anonymous internet forums we would have seen more Muslims coming out and saying: "I'm posting anonymously. I agree with everything you say but there's no way I can say it out loud because I could be killed for doing that".
How often have you seen that at JW? How often have you seen that on any internet forum?
Posted by: Caroline at July 20, 2007 4:49 PM
"...the reason that peace-loving Muslims DON'T speak out is because they fear violent retaliation from the Islamist goons and gangsters..."
Here, in America?
As Boortz might say, "Horsecrap!"
The reason they don't speak out, for the most part, is for the very reason that Boortz--in his rant--is wrong:
Islam has NOT been hijacked by 'a tiny minority of extremists', and 'moderate Muslims' know it.
Boortz was right to challenge his caller, but was, as noted, over the top, here and there.
Posted by: PRCS at July 20, 2007 6:17 PM
There is no "moderate" Muslim outcry because Islam is an elitist religion that looks down on the rest of us with condescension and covert hostility. Why would they bother with an outcry?
Last January I attended a talk on Pakistan in D.C. There was a reception afterwards and I was introduced to several Pakistani men including one who works in my industry. I took that opportunity to talk to this young man about the treatment of women in Islam. He gave me the basic cock & bull story about how the atrocities I mentioned at that time (there've been so many new ones since then) were not going on anymore and that those things went on in history but not now. I made several good points about things I'd read in the news going on over in the ME and Africa now and he just kept telling me about how he and his sister were involved in some organization that supported women's rights. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But this was the interesting part. When I asked him if he was a moderate Muslim he became very quiet and gave me a look like he was about to kill me. I'll never forget that look in his eyes. It was if he was momentarily possessed by some sort of demon. It passed away as quickly as it came but I remember thinking, oh, I guess not. And he never did answer the question.
Moderation is not an integral part of Islam. The holier-than-thou mentality, coupled with an unholy lifestyle and lack of respect for basic human rights and ethics keeps these people firmly planted in their delusion. Don't look for moderation in Islam. Any Muslim that appears to be a "moderate" is simply not practicing their religion.
Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at July 20, 2007 6:56 PM
"It's an Extremists world, the moderates just live in it."
Posted by: objective1 at July 20, 2007 9:20 PM
go neil!!!
boortz is the man....who else is grabbing these penis lacking muslims and putting them in their place? its good to see people who arn't afraid not to cave into these muslim idiots...untill muslims stop mutilating female private parts and grow some testicles...they sow the field their brothers in peace sow
GO BOORTZ
at July 22, 2007 2:35 PM
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