From a posting last January:

"Several points:

1. The fact that some Muslims say it is alright to "join the army" should not be a source of Infidel satisfaction, but worry. "Joining the army" in order to find out about how the enemy (that is, the Infidels whose Infidel army it is) operates, or to learn certain skills that be applied against Infidels, or even to commit acts of sabotage and betrayal while in the army, might be the motivation.

We have every evidence of this, from the American Muslim soldier who threw a grenade into a tent of sleeping American soldiers, killing two; the Marine who slipped away, apparently to Lebanon (but who knows exactly what he was doing, or what information he gave out, or secrets he betrayed?), was caught, in America gave a press conference in which he declared his complete innocence, ending "Semper Fi" (quite a performance it was, like so many performances by smiling or solemn imams, including those who took part in those post-9/11 candlelight vigils in an ostentatous display of sharing-our-grief solidarity, then subsequently discovered to be preaching quite different and disturbing things), just before somehow eluding capture and making it out of the country, presumably back to Dar al-Islam, and still the American government has been unable to locate him or bring him back, or perhaps isn't really trying. There are other stories, less-publicized, of a Muslim sailor, on a ship in the Persian Gulf, through an intercepted communication offering to reveal secrets about the ship to make it more vulnerable.

Then there is the evidence of a lack of patriotism of an identifiable group that, one would think, under all the circumstances, would be moving heaven and earth to prove itself, and has done nothing of the kind. A few years ago, while happening to be at Fort Jackson, South Carolina, I visited its military museum, and on the desk at the entrance there are bound volumes of World-War-Two era copies of "Stars and Stripes." I opened one volume at random and read all about the unit we all know about --the 442nd Regiment, the one in which Senator Inouye served, during World War II, and about its exploits. The contrast struck me then, and has struck me since: where are the Muslims clamoring in the United States, in Western Europe, to prove themselves? If, despite the constant efforts to recruit, the British government can only come up with 330 Muslims out of 180,000 people in the armed forces, that is approximately 1/500th of the force, while Muslims make up 1/30th of the population, then this tells us something.

But it shouldn't surprise us. Islam teaches that loyalty is owed only to Islam and to fellow Believers. The danger is twofold, for Infidels. One is the absence of any feeling of loyalty to the Infidel nation-state, and a belief that the land on which Muslims live by right, by Allah's divine right, belongs in the end to them, and the Infidels are merely temporary in charge, sojourners who have no permanent right to any part of the world, which belongs to Allah and therefore to the best of people. The refusal to take Muslim ideology serious, the refusal to study it in depth and to accept the most transparent and flimsy of apologetic versions, whether offered by Muslims or by the non-Muslim apologists who are all about us. The Muslim apologists are full-time practitioners of every kind of evasion and lies and half-lies and half-truths, of taqiyya and tu-quoque, and we can see examples of this every day, on talk shows, and in the press, all over the Infidel lands. It takes a while, it takes experience and practice, to detect and then to be able to see through, and then to be able to piercingly reveal and at the same time answer, such a fog and pettifog of nonsense and semi-nonsense.

Why is there so much of it? Many reasons. Some do it it out of some blend of leftist hatred of The System, of the West, of the White West, of Amerika, of Kapitalism, and find that Islam is now the vehicle of choice to express resentment. Some, like Karen Armstrong, resentful of Christianity, and suffering long-term mental desarroi and of course from terminal stupidity, find not the reality of Islam -- she hasn't a clue about the reaality of Islam --soothing. Many are apologists out of cupidity (so many are on the Arab take, so many academics are supported directly or indirectly by Arab money for their "centers" and their "chairs" and so many want to ensure that they do nothing to antagonize their Muslim colleagues, who are eternally vigilant in monitoriing their work, and can cause them all kinds of touble. And others are ignorant, wilfully or lazily ignorant, and do not want to think for themselvfes, do not want to connect the dots of observable Muslim behavior by abadoning their false model, their Ptolemaic model of a "few extremists" for the true, Copernican theory that can both explain all the data, in Bangladesh, Sudan, Nigeria, Thailand, and also Paris, London, Amsterdam, and Beslan, and have predictive value: can predict, for example, what would happen, necessarily, in Iraq, and what will happen, necesarily, in Iraq if the Americans withdraw (hint: it won't be good for the Camp of Islam, and will give America that "victory" about which Bush and Cheney prate without ever understanding, or recognizing, in what such a true "victory" for the West would consist -- nor do any of their critics).

Muslims and Western Armed Forces: what a paradox. What do we want? We know Muslims are taught not to offer any loyalty to the legal and political institutions of the Infidel nation-state. Don't expect it. Don't squander resources trying to make Muslims forget, or never know, what Islam is all about because it will not work. They will find out. The Infidel states -- England, France (Sarkozy is disastrously intent on "affirmative action" for Muslims in the organs of the state --he is not nearly well-versed enough in Islam, even if he appears, by optical illusion, to be sufficiently comprehending of the matter, and appropriately sober in his supposed "hard line" that is not nearly hard enough) -- have to give up pious hopes for "integration" that rely on a shared game of Let's Pretend: Let's Pretend that Islam does not inculcate what Islam inculcates. Let's Pretend that Islam is not Islma.

The numbers of Muslims in the British Armed Forces are telling. They tell us what, if we knew about Islam, would come as no surprise.

But what if the British govenment manages to increase the number of Muslims in the army, and the police, say five-fold or ten-fold or twenty-fold? Would that be good? Would that be considered a "success"? Not if one understoood Islam. Not if one understood the reasons why people were joining up at this point -- not out of a sudden loyalty (the time for that was five, four, three, two years ago) but out of something which those with long experience of the problem (J. B. Kelly, for example, to me just a week ag0), have worried about: the slow and steady infiltration into the army, security services, and police, all over Europe, of Muslims intent on what, by their Total System, they should be intent on.

Worry, every which way."

[Posted by: Hugh at February 2, 2007 9:22 AM]

Posted by: Hugh at July 24, 2007 8:11 AM

Been there, this is from NYT, 1987:

"The federal (Yugoslav) Secretary for National Defense, Fleet Adm. Branko Mamula, told the army's party organization in September of efforts by ethnic Albanians to subvert the armed forces. ''Between 1981 and 1987 a total of 216 illegal organizations with 1,435 members of Albanian nationality were discovered in the Yugoslav People's Army,'' he said. Admiral Mamula said ethnic Albanian subversives had been preparing for 'killing officers and soldiers, poisoning food and water, sabotage, breaking into weapons arsenals and stealing arms and ammunition, desertion and causing flagrant nationalist incidents in army units.'

Coming three weeks after the ethnic Albanian draftee, Aziz Kelmendi, had slaughtered his Slavic comrades in the barracks at Paracin, the speech struck fear in thousands of families whose sons were about to start their mandatory year of military service.

Because the Albanians have had a relatively high birth rate, one-quarter of the army's 200,000 conscripts this year are ethnic Albanians. Admiral Mamula suggested that 3,792 were potential human timebombs."

http://www.newsmax.com/articles/?a=1999/4/8/213303

Posted by: LazarOfSerbia at July 24, 2007 8:20 AM

....put his enlistment oath along side of Ellisons oath of office and what do you see?...two lying Muslims, neither of which should be serving as protectors of the real Americans....

As every day goes by, I am more convinced you do not want these people in your neighborhood...Ban Muslim Immigration...

Posted by: exsgtbrown at July 24, 2007 8:23 AM

My gramps fought in WW2, Battle of the Bulge, He had a german last name, I can assure you he felt no sorrow taking out some Nazis. They threatened his homeland (U.S.) so he did what he had to do. Some of the german soldiers could have been distant relatives, but once my gramps family moved to the U.S. they became Americans, not german-americans, or polish-americans, just plain Americans. So when the time came for gramps to go to war, he had no problem fighting Americas enemy. Turncoats should be shot. Period.

Posted by: americanmadestrat at July 24, 2007 8:23 AM

Enemy Combatants, whether they fight on the battle field in the political propaganda front should be treated as Enemy Combatants.

Posted by: AllahSnackbar at July 24, 2007 8:34 AM

Don't they have any rope?

I'll overnight them a coil, if they need some.

Posted by: profitsbeard at July 24, 2007 9:07 AM

Is there any way of emailing Robert? I have an article which would be relevant to this site.

Posted by: aengus at July 24, 2007 9:11 AM

aengus

use the contact form on the side of jihadwatch. mr spencer does read these and will respond if he likes your article or finds it relevant!

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at July 24, 2007 9:34 AM

Someone needs to go sniper on his traitorous ...self.

Posted by: angryeagle at July 24, 2007 9:44 AM

aengus:

If you would like commenters to read your article of interest you could also post the URL to it here.

Posted by: Mackie at July 24, 2007 9:47 AM

Abujihaad? What did they expect?

Posted by: St_James at July 24, 2007 9:50 AM

The oath of office required by the sixth article of the Constitution of the United States

I, Loyal Citizen of the Republic, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.

How many Representatives are living up to this oath?
How can Rep. Ellison be counted among them?
Why don't the rest of the citizens of this nation hold them accountable?

The books must be balanced. Accounts must be settled. Otherwise we will pay a heavy price.
Why don't the citi

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at July 24, 2007 9:56 AM

There he is serving side by side with you,going through boot camp,sharing the same sleeping quarters,eating next to you in the same mess hall, studying along with you,wearing the same uniform, and serving on the same proud American Naval Ship with you---And yet all that time he is thinking about different ways to kill you and your fellow sailors.

Easily the definition of a spy and a traitor. And he is not necessarily collaberating with another country but with the teachings of a religion that does not respect any country that is not Islamic.

Posted by: Mackie at July 24, 2007 10:05 AM

Another in a long line of traitors. He took an oath of office when he enlisted as did all the others cited in previous postings. Remember Somalia and Aidid and his son who was in the Marines? Wait until the other traitors are exposed - the ones in our intel and law enforcement agencies who are so very desperate to recruit arabic speakers, muslims, etc. We NEEED these people, you know. Who knows, by then, the damage will have been done.

Posted by: HOV Dummy at July 24, 2007 10:09 AM

Plague,

As I'm sure you know, EVERY CIVIL AND PUBLIC SERVANT HAS TO MAKE THIS PLEDGE.

If they can arrest military, FBI, and CIA employees, WHY NOT LEGISLATORS?

Posted by: Miss_Anthrope at July 24, 2007 10:11 AM

Thanks, I've used the contact form. I sent Robert a propaganda piece that appeared in today's Irish Times (too lenghty to post here) written by Sheikh Ali Gomaa, the Grand Mufti of Egypt.

For instance: "There is nothing in Islam that could ever justify these blatant acts of aggression... Islam embodies a flexibility that allows Muslims to do so without any internal or external
conflict..."

Posted by: aengus at July 24, 2007 10:16 AM

To answer Robert's rhetorical questions:

Why was this man in the Navy in the first place?

Cultural diversity, naturally. How else do we prove to the Muslims of the world that this country is not their enemy?

Did anyone ever think to investigate what kind of views this "Father of Jihad" (that is what his surname means) had about...jihad? Or if he had any connections to jihad groups?

Of course not, that would be profiling, which is politically incorrect in a culturally diverse society.

It's almost surprising that there aren't more people like him. Why are we bringing him up on charges? Why isn't he summarily shot as a spy?

How many books will be written about people like him in twenty to thirty years' time? "Perfect Spy", by Larry Berman, explains how a South Vietnamese man studied journalism in America and went home to report on the war, using his journalistic credentials to obtain information and forward it to the Viet Cong. He worked with and befriended men like David Halberstam and he reported for Time Magazine.

As a member of the press he had access to military leaders that few other people have. How many men trusted that he was on their side and confided in him their battle tactics and strategy, which he then gave to the enemy?

How many Iraq translators have turned out to be terrorist sympathizers and informants?

Posted by: PMK at July 24, 2007 10:16 AM

"Did anyone ever think to investigate what kind of views this "Father of Jihad" (that is what his surname means) had about...jihad?"

Do you really think he would have told the truth about what his intentions are? muslims are not predispositioned to telling the truth if it prohibits his desires to do something to advance islam.

When a person enlists, they look at our criminal records (if any), and school records - they don't delve that deeply into the person's background. They will look further if the person is going into certain jobs though. They looked further into my ex-husband's background when he trained for artillery that had nuclear heads on them. Keep in mind that this is what he told me - there could have been more to it or a different story to what he was doing.

And what would have happened if they delved further into this guy's background? With our PC environment in the Pentagon, they might have found he was 'religious'. As we have been discovering... a muslim who is 'religious' does not have the same meaning as our idea of religious. And our Pentagon, politicians, school administrators, businesses, etc are unable to figure this out - in other words our own citizens in these areas are remaining ignorant of what islam is out of choice or laziness.

Posted by: R_not at July 24, 2007 10:31 AM

Take a moment to review the core values of the United States Navy.

http://www.worldsfinestnavy.com/corevalues.html

Posted by: Mackie at July 24, 2007 10:42 AM

Mackie, good website!

Now, I wonder how we can even think of accepting muslims into our military - their stated first allegience is to the koran/mohammed/islam. They have no honor and everything in the first rule is broken by just being a muslim. And I say this because they follow a murdering thug (I won't go through his other despicable attributes again) and whatever they do - it is to advance islam.

Posted by: R_not at July 24, 2007 11:10 AM

rope + highest yardarm = : }

Posted by: MP at July 24, 2007 12:10 PM

They don't stand (infil)traitors against a wall anymore?

Posted by: interestinconundrum at July 24, 2007 12:30 PM

He's an infiltrator, plain and sinple...
I vote death by hanging...like SO:
http://postarchives.entensity.net/011907/image.php?pic=saddambrothershead.jpg
(WARNING-saddam's brother in law at the gallows-gruesome decapitation...and damned appropriate, too)

Posted by: jcom972 at July 24, 2007 12:31 PM

Miss Anthrope - I agree.

Check this out - I know you'll like it.
Rated R. - Down With the Sickness done in Lounge style.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2965592541240207203

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at July 24, 2007 2:16 PM

Hey! One of my favorite movies!!!

The hubby had to remind me of this song (Him: "Recognize this???" Me: "OMG!") the last time we watched the movie.

Very Loungey...Plague, you're so good to me! :)

Posted by: Miss_Anthrope at July 24, 2007 2:56 PM

Earlier this year, the U.S. Navy issued a press release touting their first ever muslim squadron leader on the Stennis. I have yet to understand why the United States Navy would find this worthy of shouting it to the world. It worried me then, it worries me now. The milblogs were even throwing their support behind this islamic propaganda coming from the Stennis. Islam is the problem, not a solution.

Posted by: twolaneflash at July 24, 2007 3:21 PM

twolaneflash - deep down they know it's the problem. That's why they shout 'progress' from the rooftops.

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at July 24, 2007 4:05 PM

Hahaahaa. A M.U.S.L.I.M in the U.S Navy !
Are they no sane people managing recruitment to the U.S armed forces ?
And, BTW - are there no sane people left in the U.S ? How on earth can a Keith Ellison get elected to Congress ? For heavens sake, why on earth would Americans support
Barack H.u.s.s.e.i.n Obama ? It is a crazy world !

Posted by: karyakarta92 at July 24, 2007 10:39 PM

Hmmm...series of questions...ok, I'll bite.
1) most are holdovers from the last decades` "navy".
2) Yes, plenty-we've not played cowboys & durkas yet.
3) it's only 1 of 435 districts-hardly a consensus.
4) Americans DON'T-it's only 1 district, and leftist
5) no worry about obamarama-he's left of hiTlery
Understandable to wonder about it...but for all intents and purposes it's "chicken little", and odd man out.

Posted by: jcom972 at July 25, 2007 6:21 PM