Forget the outrage of the Muslim states. Where is the outrage from Iraqis, the same Iraqis who go berserk if even one child is killed in a battle between US forces and insurgents?

Posted by: PMK at July 24, 2007 12:26 PM

"Will this attack provoke any moral outrage from Sunni Muslim states?"
-- from a comment by Marisol on the article about the attack on the children's hospital

Why should it? Did any Arabs, Sunni or Shi'a, ever deplore the PLO terrorists who attacked the school in Ma'alot in May 1974 and massacred 21 schoolgirls? Didn't they all hail the PLO killers as "heroes" just as the PLO did -- heroes to be emulated? Was there a syllable of protest from any Sunni Arab state, political or religious figure, or indeed from a single so-called Arab intellectual or writer (presumed by some to be professions whose practitioners are moral barometers -- an idiotic idea, since it all depends on the individual), save for Kanan Makiya, when 182,000 non-Arab Kurds were killed? Have any Arabs -- as opposed to Berbers -- protested the banning, for a long while, of the Berber tongue in Algeria, or the suppression of Berber cultural practices, in order to encourage still further the forced arabization of Berbers? Has there been any Muslim Arab protest -- a word, a single word -- over the deliberate campaign against the Sudanese Christians or, after 1.8 million of them were killed (and a phony peace made that will guarantee that the Arabs will be able to receive the oil revenues that come from the oilfields that lie under the lands of the southern black Africnas), the 400,000 non-Arab Muslims in Darfur? Has there been a single statement by any Arab leader, or by the Arab League, deploring what the Arabs have done in Darfur? Were there No. And there won't be. There can't be.

What exactly does it take to figure things out? How long will so many continue to ignore the only theory that actually explains the past data on Arab and Muslim behavior, and that possesses --as those who have been coming here for the past three three-quarters years know -- remarkable predictive value (in Iraq and around the world), that is the "theory" that Islam explains the beliefs and behavior of Muslims, Islam explains their world view, Islam even explains the fact that the Sunnis will never acquiesce to the Shi'a rule in Iraq, and the Shi'a will never give up the power, and all that that power implies, that they have finally acquired in Iraq.

Posted by: Hugh at July 24, 2007 12:55 PM

Shi'ites are heretics to ther Sunni majority.

They kill infidels without a care.

Heretics are just as bad as infidels, if not worst.

At least the infidels can be forced to submit.

But Muslims understand that other Muslims (especially heretical ones) will not submit, but will return fire for fire. Bomb for bomb. Beheading for beheading.

They know each other well.

Which is why they commit the worst crimes against each other.

Until one side dominates.

Then they're coming for us -for real.

(The present is just prelude.)

Posted by: profitsbeard at July 24, 2007 12:59 PM

The religion of child murderers, hey lets try to understand them, surely we can find common ground (in the graveyard is my guess) amongst us/not. There will be no outrage their children are born to die it is a badge of honor to them. Look, they willingly kill their own children does anyone think they care about anyone else’s? Big men these islamists picking on women, children, reporters and such. Monsters describes them best, as a matter of fact if we take every serial killer in US history and put them all together we still fall way short of the islamists in the murderer department. In America serial killers are an aberration (for now), in the ME they are the norm. A civilization that is sick beyond recovery, imho. ROP, the religion of psychopaths. So, the pols who support them are the apologists for baby killers? Great legacy boneheads.

Posted by: tgusa at July 24, 2007 1:20 PM

In order for there to be moral outrage there must first be a sense of morality.

Posted by: scaramouoche at July 24, 2007 1:22 PM

Let them have at it....sit back and toast some marshmellows and watch Team Islam show us the religion of peace in action.

Posted by: Sneakyzionistcrusader at July 24, 2007 1:46 PM

The only thing you will hear from muslims is their outrage that we know what is going on and that we are giving islam a bad name.

murder = a-ok in islam. Murdering women
and children is particularly a fun
thing to do when you don't have a
decent infidel to target.
islamophobia = bad, it shows them we caught on to
islam.

Posted by: R_not at July 24, 2007 1:51 PM

I am sure that the liberal media, aided by the Muslim queues, will spin this off and say that it was the Americans who failed to protect the civilians.

Wanna bet?

Posted by: Crusader at July 24, 2007 1:57 PM

scaramouche: Good point. To the extent the Muslim world has a moral code it is a very twisted one indeed, one that can never be reformed, only scuttled for a superior one. By the way, I take it that your eponymous choice means that you look fondly upon what was said of him. To wit, that he was born with a gift for laughter and a sense that the world is mad. Not much has changed in two centuries, has it?

Posted by: Wellington at July 24, 2007 1:59 PM

Would anyone like trying to make the case that Islam isn't evil, and that we shouldn't say that it's evil?

We should say it, and we should say it loudly!

Posted by: rational at July 24, 2007 2:05 PM

So is the Islam that validated this action as a form of obedience to Allah different than the Islam that Muslims adhere to in the United States? Which part of this incident was committed by the peaceful Muslims we hear so much about?

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at July 24, 2007 2:18 PM

Off topic:

Ali Gomaa, Egypt's religious advisor, says Muslims can choose their own religion (unless they undermine the "foundations of society")

http://abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/07/24/1987362.htm?section=justin

Posted by: Jimmy the Dhimmi at July 24, 2007 2:39 PM

rational: I agree with you that Islam is evil but I would argue it is a very well disguised form of evil principally for two reasons. First, unlike secular evils like Marxism and Nazism, Islam hides behind its religious veil and thus fools many people. Second, because Islam has numerous Judaic, Christian and Zoroastrian elements in it, it has some good about it and this also serves Islam's purpose to deceive. To put this in percentage terms, though admittedly a bit artificial, I would assert that Islam is 60% rotten while Marxism and Nazism are 95% putrid. But this actually makes Islam more menacing, not less, because the positive features in it mask very effectively its even more numerous negative characteristics. After all, isn't it the Christian contention that one of the reasons why Satan is so powerful is precisely because he mixes truth with lies?

Posted by: Wellington at July 24, 2007 2:47 PM

Almost as “perfect” as described by Kurtz in “Apocalypse Now”

KURTZ - " ... I remember when I was with Special Forces...Seems a thousand centuries ago...We went into a camp to innoculate the children. We left the camp after we had innoculated the children for Polio, and this old man came running after us and he was crying. He couldn't see. We went
back there and they had come and hacked off every innoculated arm. There they were in a pile...A pile of little arms. And I remember...I...I...I cried...I wept like some grandmother. I wanted to tear my teeth out. I didn't know what I
wanted to do. And I want to remember it. I never want to forget it. I never want to forget. And then I realized...like I was shot...Like I was shot with a diamond...a diamond bullet right through my forehead...And I thought:
My God...the genius of that. The genius. The will to do that. Perfect,
genuine, complete, crystalline, pure. And then I realized they were
stronger than we. Because they could stand that these were not
monsters...These were men...trained cadres...these men who fought with
their hearts, who had families, who had children, who were filled with
love...but they had the strength...the strength...to do that. If I had ten
divisions of those men our troubles here would be over very quickly. You
have to have men who are moral...and at the same time who are able to
utilize their primordal instincts to kill without feeling...without passion...
without judgement...without judgement. Because it's judgement that
defeats us. "

Posted by: BeowulfLTHDS at July 24, 2007 2:51 PM

Wellington. Very astute of you. Actually, that's the tagline on my motime blog.

Posted by: scaramouoche at July 24, 2007 3:06 PM

"Iraqi Mujahideen Launch Anti-Air Missle at U.S. Flight Patrol Using Night Vision"

Mujahideen Video Using Night Vision

They sing in Arabic and dance towards the end and then hug each other.

Search Chinese night vision

"Results 1 - 100 of about 2,030,000 for Chinese night vision."

The US taught Ph.D. students from other countries its night vision technology and licensed it for sale outside the US.

Now this technology is showing up in the hands of the Mujahideen being used against our troops.

Posted by: Old Atlantic at July 24, 2007 3:20 PM

Wellington:

Well said. Islam is more insidious because of its mixed truths and guise of faith.

The devil has been getting smarter and smarter at his game.

Posted by: atheling at July 24, 2007 3:42 PM

child killers- there is a special place in hell waiting these "warriors", what "men".

Posted by: CaptainGrevious at July 24, 2007 3:47 PM

Tag Mujahideen Live Leak

Some videos may show killings or other strong footage.

Posted by: Old Atlantic at July 24, 2007 3:47 PM

Islam is evil because it adheres to a dualistic ethic, one set of ethics for its own believers, another for kafirs.

As a Christian kafir, you are a second class citizen in their country and must pay the jizya or, if you are a polytheist, you can convert or be killed. The Islamic law, sharia, is very clear on all this.

The sharia, based on the koran, the hadith and the life of mohammed, is considered God's law and above any human-designed system. ALL Muslims must follow sharia law as much as possible, even in dar al harb, the land of the kafirs. That is why in muslim communities of any size in the US, there is a shura council of men who control their behavior, basically establishing two governmental systems in one country. The sharia is never mentioned in public by muslims or our citizens who are mostly ignorant about it. The sharia and our constitution cannot co-exist but they do!

Posted by: the poetess at July 24, 2007 3:52 PM

poetess: The dualistic ethic you referred to, whereby Islam applies one standard to believers and another one for infidels like ourselves, is, I would maintain, just one of several reasons why Islam is deeply troubling and fundamentally flawed. Another reason is the clear second-class status for women as enshrined in Islamic religious law. For instance, requiring a woman to produce four male witnesses for a successful prosecution of rape is outlandish and about as unenlightened as a legal precept could be. The prohibition on separating secular from spiritual authority, something antithetical to Jeffersonian conceptions of democracy, is yet another feature of the Islamic faith which bespeaks of its stultifying, totalitarian nature. Finally, I completely agree with you that the Constitution and sharia cannot co-exist. It's one or the other. That's why one can't be both a good American and a devout Muslim at the same time and thus this functions for me as yet another reason why I don't want more Muslims coming to my country.

Posted by: Wellington at July 24, 2007 4:29 PM

atheling: Thank you for your comments. From reading several of your postings I don't think you and I would disagree on much. By the way, I've had to wonder if you ever studied Old English and that's why you took the moniker you did.

Posted by: Wellington at July 24, 2007 4:35 PM

"Forget the outrage of the Muslim states. Where is the outrage from Iraqis, the same Iraqis who go berserk if even one child is killed in a battle between US forces and insurgents?

Posted by: PMK"

.....are any politicians listening?......should be helping a people who do not care if there children are killed by their own people?.....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at July 24, 2007 4:37 PM

The Religion of Peace and Nature can no longer surprise me; I'm simply waiting for the future to catch up to my common sense.

Boycott Islam.

Posted by: Foehammer at July 24, 2007 4:41 PM

"Will this attack provoke any moral outrage from Sunni Muslim states?"
I have to disagree with Hugh's analysis. I'm sure some Sunni Muslims will be terribly outraged...at the Zionist Mossad agents who carried out this false flag attack ;)

Posted by: Abu Allah at July 24, 2007 4:45 PM

. . . To put this in percentage terms, though admittedly a bit artificial, I would assert that Islam is 60% rotten while Marxism and Nazism are 95% putrid. . .

I would suggest you adjust your figure higher. Maybe 80%-85%. I read last week (wish I had the link) of a fellow did a survey by extracting a percentage of verses from the Koran. He found that around 60% talked about how and/or why to kill the infidels (nothing but HATE). The next largest 40% or so talked about the rewards or virtue for this treatment of the infidels and 1% said to take care of the poor. Over all of this is the fatalistic view that is assumed. As I said on another post the phrase "If Allah wishes." is not a question it means that we have no say in the out come anyway.

Although I agree with your point that Islam is more of a threat because the western world has not identified the enemy. So how can we fight it effectively?

Posted by: Im.mad.as.HELL! at July 24, 2007 4:54 PM

"So how can we fight it effectively?"

I've given an effective way to fight Islam -- don't give it any $$. Starve it, drain it of oil revenues, charitable funding, dhimmi relief, etc.

Muslim pizzeria on the corner? Go to an Italian or Greek instead.

Muslim cabbie? Wait for another or take a bus.

Muslim teacher? Take your kid out of class and file a complaint with the principal.

Muslim laundromat? Go to the Koreans instead.

And on and on and on.

Or you all can just sit around here and complain at each other until you turn blue and pass out. It's up to you whether or not you actually have the stones to take action that affects this enemy.

Be forewarned: taking a stand will get you called names. That's what our enemies do best and that's what most people fear the most.

"Oh my God, someone called me a racist!"

Bah.

Posted by: Foehammer at July 24, 2007 5:04 PM

"Will this attack provoke any moral outrage from Sunni Muslim states?"
I have to disagree with Hugh's analysis. Posted by: Abu Allah

What are you disagreeing with? It's a question. You are not even willing to answer it yourself directly. Were is the link to the response from "Sunni Muslims"? Haven't heard from them yet! Were is the proof that the Mossad did it? Isn't convenient to have a scape goat to redirect the conclusion that Hugh is inferring? Last I heard or read the agents murdering innocent women and children were other muslins from other countries directed by al qaeda. Notice I did not identify what sect, race or religion the victims are. Were you in two short sentences identify two that would and are willing to kill each other at the drop of a hat.

So your deceitful statement "I have to disagree. . ." was more of an attempt to shift blame and not apologize for the evil that islam is.

Posted by: Im.mad.as.HELL! at July 24, 2007 5:19 PM

Easy there, fella. You need to turn your sarcasm detector on.

Posted by: Abu Allah at July 24, 2007 5:31 PM

Hehe.

Posted by: Foehammer at July 24, 2007 6:01 PM

The more of islam l learn and the actions of what muslims inflict on their own and their own children, the more l hate this cult of death.
Where is the outrage of any of this, but of course the muslim appologists will blame this on the Americans. What we see in Iraq is small in comparison to what the people of Israel must endure, and the UN,EU, turn a blind eye to islamists killings.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at July 24, 2007 7:34 PM

"Will this attack provoke any moral outrage from Sunni Muslim states"?

Such "outrage" is reserved for cartoons.

Posted by: Frank at July 24, 2007 8:30 PM

"The more of islam l learn and the actions of what muslims inflict on their own and their own children, the more l hate this cult of death".-Zena

They are not worth hating, Zena.

Posted by: Frank at July 24, 2007 8:35 PM

Wellington:

My surname derives from "atheling", and yes, I have studied English. I have a degree in English Literature.

Now, is your name chosen because it IS your name, or are you an admirer of the Iron Duke? :)

Posted by: atheling at July 24, 2007 8:42 PM

"Will this attack provoke any moral outrage from Sunni Muslim states"?

Such "outrage" is reserved for cartoons.

Posted by: Frank

ROFL!!! Priceless!

Posted by: atheling at July 24, 2007 8:44 PM

aethling: I see. Well, it's a good last name and very Anglo-Saxon----and I would assert here that the English are the single most influential people anywhere on earth over the last millennium, overwhelmingly for good {although not entirely}. And I aver this with not a single drop of English blood in my lineage.
No, my surname is not Wellington but I took it in honor of the great duke as you correctly assumed (my compliments). He is an individual I tremendously admire for he is exactly the kind of personality that civilization must rely upon when its back is against the wall because the forces of tyranny desire the eradication of something better, although Napoleon can only come out looking marveously well in comparison to the true barbarism we face now--------radical Islam. In any case, keep up the good fight and my best.

Posted by: Wellington at July 24, 2007 9:20 PM

we import iraqi doctors to kill us and alqeda blows up hospitals? what's wrong with muslims?

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at July 24, 2007 10:15 PM

Wellington,

Very well said, But I think you might be a little too generous in saying that Islam is maybe 60% evil. My own estimate would be much higher.

But regardless, I really believe that we should not pretend, as many apologists for islam do, that Islam is basically a good religion that's been hyjacked by those you don't understand its basic goodness and humanitarianism.

I think it's evil enough that it's dangerous not to say so. Muslims might be enraged and insulted by the truth, but so be it. As long as we treat Islam as a respectable belief system -- with all of its ungodly and barbaric beliefs and practices -- we reinforce Muslims in their deception.

I think we should say that it's evil, and enumerate all the reasons why we believe it's evil. Maybe some Muslims might just think for a change, and conclude that there is something wrong.

Posted by: rational at July 24, 2007 10:43 PM

I read an article about the background for the Sunni/Shi'ite's and could not believe that all these murders and slaughtering of civilians and children stems from a debate over which follower of Muhammed's peaceful teachings was a valid sellection once Muhammed died .

Truely amazing that human life has such a low value by followers of Muhammed that Hospitals and Childrens schools are fair game for suicide bombers and truck bombs.

NO ISLAM - KNOW PEACE
KNOW ISLAM - NO PEACE

Posted by: ala-sux at July 24, 2007 10:47 PM

"Will this attack provoke any moral outrage from Sunni Muslim states"?

Such "outrage" is reserved for cartoons.

Posted by: Frank

An interesting analysis of Islam and Muslims implies that cartoons are exactly the way to go. Disrespect Islam. Shame it. The author suggests that the more we respect Islam, the more we solidify their own feelings of superiority.

He says that Islam is basically narcissistic. Muslims feel respected when Islam is respected and insulted when the religion is insulted. Deprive a narcissist of what he craves and his belief system just might crumble. He'll leave Islam on his own.

http://islam-watch.org/AliSina/How-to-Beat-Jihad.htm

The crux of his article is in one paragraph:

In order to help them overcome their savagery, Muslims must be “exorcized” from Islam. To do so, Islam must be discredited so it loses it appeal. Shame makes makes them violent but eventually it will set them free. Therefore the answer to their violence is not to respect their faith but to shame them more. Only intense shame can break their shell and set them free.

Posted by: PMK at July 24, 2007 11:01 PM

They brainwash children...dont they?
They hide behind children...dont they?
They strap bombs on children...dont they?
They rape children...dont they?
They bomb children...dont they?
They kill children...dont they?
They BAKE children...dont they?

One would think Islam has no regard for children at all, except their possible use as a weapon.

Islam has no soul...

Posted by: duh_swami at July 24, 2007 11:32 PM

PMK: I'm with you. The most important thing to do to evil is to crush it (or at least significantly contain it). However, the second most important thing is to mock it. So, make fun of the 72 virgin lunacy, Mohammed's own sexual appetite, Mohammed's own psychopathic tendencies, the non-stop killing for 1400 years by Muslims towards themselves and also towards those who don't buy their nonsense, the draconian nature of their legal system, the child-like nature of the Islamic afterlife, the desultory reality of the Islamic world for centuries now, etc. Yep, mock all this stuff and more. Ridicule is a very powerful weapon and where Islam is concerned fully deserved.

Posted by: Wellington at July 25, 2007 12:18 AM

Could any of you set a bomb next to a children's hospital and explode it? That is the reality. Think on that. Truly, think on that. Imagine the pain and suffering that act would produce. I don't want to. In fact, I can't; the thought of it hurts too much. That is the crux of the matter. They have no problem doing this. Why? Hugh said it and others have. It's islam and its abrogated doctrines.

Posted by: breezy55 at July 25, 2007 12:23 AM

No, it's just islam.

Posted by: breezy55 at July 25, 2007 12:30 AM

'In order to help them overcome their savagery, Muslims must be “exorcized” from Islam. To do so, Islam must be discredited so it loses it appeal. Shame makes makes them violent but eventually it will set them free. Therefore the answer to their violence is not to respect their faith but to shame them more. Only intense shame can break their shell and set them free.'

Don't we exorcise demons and sometimes the devil himself? We had a long running thread the other day about whether Allah was Satan or whether that was an inconvenient truth. And yet, we keep going back to that idea. It is not Christ or Buddha or Krishna who tell us to kill the unbelievers or who validate blowing up little children to further the spread of the glory of Islam. Christ says that a good tree cannot bear bad fruit and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. He also says you are either for Me or against Me. If Islam bears bad fruit why do we keep listening to the lies that it is so peaceful and good? And I ask again, isn't the Islam that did this over there the same Islam that Muslims believe in over here?

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at July 25, 2007 1:29 AM

It is not Christ or Buddha or Krishna who tell us to kill the unbelievers or who validate blowing up little children
Isabellathecrusader,

You're absolutely right! Islam is a shameful belief system, and any thinking person would be able to conclude that. It's hard to believe that a billion people in this world could be so blind, but I suppose that when you're born into spiritual darkness and that darkness is drilled into you're mind every moment of your life, you can actually be convinced that evil is good and good is evil.

You would think that murdering a bunch of innocent children, along with all the other crimes committed in the name of Islam, would move Muslims to question their belief system, but apparently it doesn't.

Posted by: rational at July 25, 2007 2:34 AM

How long will so many continue to ignore the only theory that actually explains (...)Arab and Muslim behavior (...) the "theory" that Islam explains the beliefs and behavior of Muslims.
posted by Hugh

The Qur'an is touted as the divine, perfect, eternal, unalterable, miraculous, complete book of knowledge for all mankind for all time, so I bought a copy. Then I discovered it promoted murder, pedophilia, slavery, polygamy, misogyny, torture, lying, stealing, genocide, bigotry, racism, supremicism, obsessive compulsion, hate, paranoid delusions, and provably false science. Should I return it for a refund?

Posted by: Xero G at July 25, 2007 3:32 AM

Assalamau Laikum all,

While it is easy to taint all muslims with this herrendous and barbaric act...closer to the truth would be that virtually all muslims will be horrified by this act too.

Others like me are offended that they do it in the name of Islam...yet more may think that perhaps the bomber may have had a grudge with a doctor inside...I don't know...you cannnot talk to the bastard who did this.

I have to agree with you though that there should be round outrage by the muslim community at this act...and there isn't ....and that is wrong.

Equally now, many peoples have said that muslims don't love their children....well that's not true either....we do ...very much so!

I would never advocate to my childrens to do somethiing violent....but equally I would teach them the virtues of sharia lite as the glue that will bind us all together...the future of humankind...wuslims... the global citizens.

I'm afraid it's going to take time ....

Posted by: Naseem at July 25, 2007 6:28 AM

What virtues can Sharia offer us? Oppression, intolerance, evil?

Posted by: Elric66 at July 25, 2007 6:31 AM

Nasseem.

Since you think so highly of Islam, name one Islamic country that is a role model for what all Islamic countries should be modled after.

Posted by: Elric66 at July 25, 2007 6:34 AM

"I have to agree with you though that there should be round outrage by the muslim community at this act...and there isn't ....and that is wrong."

....silence means acceptance....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at July 25, 2007 7:48 AM

....silence means acceptance....

....or fear......

Posted by: exsgtbrown at July 25, 2007 7:49 AM

Nasseem, Do you learn nothing from the truths that are spoken here? If you are against these atrocities then SPEAK OUT! Stand up for what is morally right and champion the children of your culture. There are many organizations you can join. I promise you that 4/5 of the world's population will never convert to islam. And as Gen. George Patton said, " You don't go to war to die for your country, you go to war to make the other poor bastards die for theirs." And that is what's going to happen.

Posted by: imamerican at July 25, 2007 8:45 AM

Yes, Naseem, I'm sure muslims were horrified at this act, but only because it was other muslims getting toasted. If it had been, let's say a school in Beslan with a couple hundred infidel kids, the muslims would most likely just gave a wink and nod to the perpetrators.

Posted by: TheOmegaMan at July 25, 2007 9:13 AM

The killing of innocents is what Islam is all about. Hide behind women and children. Kill them to shock ' civilized' people.
It's a goddamned shame the crusades weren't totally successful in removing Islam as a religion. Now we're paying for it.
the preachers who tell others to go out and kill infidels need to be stopped. NOW!

Posted by: Hebrew Handyman at July 25, 2007 7:16 PM

Handyman, you are so right. We are fighting the war against jihadists on the wrong front. It's the clerics and the imams who tell these animals what to do. Stop the spread of islamic jihad where it originates. The mosques and muslim universities.

Posted by: imamerican at July 25, 2007 8:04 PM