This is why deporting or jailing jihadists doesn't work. Exile them-the inability of such scum to convert others and to spread their evil messages will be nearly as deadly as a bullet in the head for such "holies".

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at July 26, 2007 7:51 AM

"But Mr Elomar defended Sheik Feiz as a "godly man" who was misunderstood and said he would personally advise the cleric not to go back to Lebanon"

..."Former Sydney imam Feiz Mohamed -- who has produced extreme DVDs urging children to die for Islam and calling Jews pigs"

...what is so hard to understand about this?....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at July 26, 2007 8:09 AM

Re: Sheik Feiz left Australia for Lebanon in 2005 before moving to Malaysia this year to complete his Masters in Islamic studies.

More like Nazi studies. But who am I to make a judgement about another culture for after all there is no good and bad, no objective truth, no need to know what is good, life's education is not about discovering what is good and what is bad by the use of reason. All cultures are equal. Right?

Posted by: Frank at July 26, 2007 8:09 AM

There has been a lot of discussion here about how reliable is the BBC’s coverage of Islam and the Middle-East.

Personally, I find they quality of it’s programmes varies widely.

It’s six o’ clock news program is often terrible.

It’s 24 hour news channel is often terrible with occasional exceptions such as programs such as “Hardtalk.”

However, one program which manages to maintain pretty high standards is “Newsnight.”

They recently broadcast a documentary, almost an hour long, on “ The battle for Islam.”

Available here,

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/default.stm

Another URL

http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/newsid_6910000/newsid_6917200/6917210.stm?bw=bb&mp=wm&news=1

It contains highs and lows including:

An ex-muslim who thinks Islam cannot be reformed.

Benazir Bhutto with her head in the clouds as usual.

A friend of mine refuses to regularly read Jihadwatch because he says there are racist/extremist views occasionally posted in the comments.

Strangely he does not refuse to watch the BBC even though a program such as “Newsnight” gives a platform for Omar Barky who has definitely has racist/extremist views.

Further proof, if it were needed that, that liberalism can be ultimately a form of narcissism, nothing more.

Self-congratulation as a basis for social policy as Thomas Sowell would put it.

Posted by: Odyessus at July 26, 2007 8:10 AM

Hey guys
Would you beleive this book. It is the kind of false information that these CAIR guys spread in USA India Canada Uk and fuel jihad click on the link
http://www.twf.org/Library/woi3aL.pdf

Posted by: Rajesh_singh at July 26, 2007 8:12 AM

Why he's just "doin his job".

When his job is producing jihadis, and the best jihadi is a dead one, where does this place him on the scale of evil beings ? At what point do we say, shoot the teacher ?

At what point does the only good imam be a dead one ?

If we are at war, when does incarceration become barely adequate ?

Posted by: dgene at July 26, 2007 8:14 AM

The Global Islamic Youth Centre, of which Sheik Feiz is the spiritual leader...

And what kind of spirit is that?

* Fighting spirit

* Hateful spirit

* Lustful spirit

* Larcenous spirit

* Supremacist spirit

But what the hey, Hitler and his sidekicks were spirited guys, too.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at July 26, 2007 8:26 AM

Er, Omar Barky should read Omar Bakri!
In case you wonder about my name,Odyessus is just my take on Odysseus.
I figured if Joyce could spell the word Ulysses then I could take a few liberties with the spelling.

Posted by: Odyessus at July 26, 2007 8:32 AM

Dr Ali Sina offers advice in defeating the Jihad in this interesting piece on http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina70723.htm
In it, he makes salient observations about Muslims, about non-Muslims, political correctness etc. All in all, a good read, and we would be well-advised to follow what he says.

Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at July 26, 2007 8:51 AM

"And what kind of spirit is that?"
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer

.....ha!........

Posted by: exsgtbrown at July 26, 2007 9:11 AM

I know this will put me on the far side and a total whacko according to the left, but I really think we in the lands who do not want to keep fighting jihadists need to think about... brainwashing. They do it all the time. Yes, I know that just because they do it doesn't make it right that we should do it. Either that - we need to keep these pukes in solitary confinement for longer periods of time because these guys are trained to stay in our jails.

And I do mean solitary confinement because I don't want these freaks with the others who could pick up a killing 'religion' quite easily.

Posted by: R_not at July 26, 2007 9:48 AM

...at the rate Muslims are entering the prison population, we should be building more prisons...especially since we will not deport them....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at July 26, 2007 10:13 AM

Attorney-General Philip Ruddock is a hypocrite. You cannot go after a ‘radical’ Muslim without going after the Islamic teachings. The man is simply expressing his faith. What is wrong with expressing your faith?

2:10 Disbelievers are diseased.
2:99 Disbelievers are evil people.
2:104 For disbelievers is a painful doom.
2:171 Disbelievers are deaf, dumb, and blind.
3:28 Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference of believers.
3:73 Don't believe anyone who is not a Muslim.
3:48 Don't be friends with non-Muslims. They all hate you and want to ruin you.
4:89 Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them.
4:63 Oppose those who refuse to follow Muhammad.
4:101 The disbelievers are an open enemy to you.
4:144 Do not choose disbelievers as friends.
5:51 Don't take Jews or Christians for friends. If you do, then Allah will consider you to be one of them.
5:51 Jews and Christians are losers.
5:60 Allah turned unbelievers into apes and swine.
5:59 Jews and Christians are evil people.
5:57 Don't choose Jews, Christians, or disbelievers as guardians.
6:106 Stay away from disbelievers.
8:55 The worst beasts in Allah's sight are the disbelievers.
9:5 Slay the disbelievers wherever you find them.
9:28 Disbelievers are unclean.
9:30 Christians and Jews are perverts. Allah himself fights against them.

Posted by: pez at July 26, 2007 10:35 AM

"GIYC condemns all violence and intolerance against any community or faith," he said.

Yeah right - only words, more deceit to cover their backs till the time is right. It should be shut down and all members deported.

Posted by: Demvaril at July 26, 2007 10:39 AM

Mr Moosa said, ~"There will always be a few bad apples and we cannot be held accountable for that."

So are the "Good Apples" the ones that blow things up or are those the "Bad Apples"? And if the "bad Apples" are truly bad, as in wanting to blow things up, can we count on Mr. Moosa to tell the authorities? Probably not. Or maybe we should wait until we get a long distance phone call from Ol' Feiz himself?

"A key objective of the centre is to provide an attractive environment for youth to come and develop their social and religious character..."
Does that include the proper procedures for "Honor Killings"? Our is this a place where they learn to have canine-o-phobia that prohibits them from allowing taxi passengers from traveling with their pets?

Slightly off topic: If you think the BBC is biased, look for LINK TV's program called Mosaic. (It's available in the US on DirectTV and Dish Network.) It's a 1/2 hour compilation program of "news" reports from the Middle East, with mostly Arabic coverage and some from Israel. In the goofy, mixed-up world that is Islam, last night their was this happy little piece about a UNFIL soldier from Spain coming back to Lebanon to marry the Lebanese woman with whom he fell in love. They Qatar station covered it as a joyous event, which it was, and it showed the couple completing their nuptials in front of a table with a cross on it. If the soldier is from Spain it is safe to assume he's Catholic. Care to guess of what faith the bride was? You can rest assured that she wasn't Muslim, for if she had been the ceremony she would have been attending would have required that she be horizontal and forever still.
Shalom,
Theosebes

Posted by: Theosebes at July 26, 2007 10:44 AM

All religions are equally bad, right?

For the Christians out there:

A contrarian nutbag who calls himself an 'atheist' keeps equivocating religions and keeps pestering posters on the sheik yer'mami blog.

Here are his latest exploits:

Kill All Unbelievers
"And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God..." (Deuteronomy 13: 5 )

"If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;" (Deuteronomy 13: 6 )

"Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people." (Deuteronomy 13:8-9 )

"Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword." (Deuteronomy 13:15 )

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at July 26, 2007 11:19 AM

sheik:

The key is that, no matter what it says

1. It's historical.

2. NOBODY IS DOING IT.

3. muslims have their directives, and they are acting upon them.

Posted by: CGW at July 26, 2007 11:44 AM

This is why deporting or jailing jihadists doesn't work. Exile them-the inability of such scum to convert others and to spread their evil messages will be nearly as deadly as a bullet in the head for such "holies".

How does exile work unless you're talking about a place like Devils Island, where there would be absolutely zero communication with the rest of the world? You'd have to drop food from the air. Any boat that docked could be used to send a message out. Khomeini lived in exile for years. It didn't stop him from getting his message back to Iran. His followers were waiting to welcome him back once Carter dumped the Shah.

Better to keep them isolated from everyone, with no access to anything and no ability to communicate with anyone. But that would be cruel and unusual punishment, wouldn't it? We would have the UN breathing down our necks and (AGAIN!) calling George Bush (or whomever is president at the time) an international criminal who should be tried in the ICC.

Isn't it easier just to say they resisted arrest and kill them?

Posted by: PMK at July 26, 2007 12:12 PM

Former Sydney imam who produced DVDs calling for jihad martyrdom, calling Jews pigs, "phones home for sermons" while studying in Malaysia

Evil E.T.-

Call home.

http://www.resnet.trinity.edu/lakers/alien.jpg

Posted by: Frank at July 26, 2007 12:19 PM

Sheik,

These verses of Torah are limited to certain time and place. In Judaism and Christianity there is superior moral code/Law which is universal, eternal and should be followed. For example, we are sometimes forced to defend ourselves, but we always know that killing a man is wrong - even if he is our enemy. Torah doesn't proclaim "killing of false prophet" as morally right - murder is a murder. It can never be "good". Decalogue states "do not kill".

Problem with Islam is there is no "superior moral code", just Qur'an and Muhammad's unfortunate example. And only way in Islam to know if something is "good or bad", "right or wrong" is to study Muhammad's life... And this is where we are with Osama bin Laden.

So - no, not all religions are equal.

Posted by: LazarOfSerbia at July 26, 2007 12:26 PM

Muslims in the West are not "immigrants" or "refugees" or "students", they are colonizers.

Inculcated by the playbook of a pedophile warlord (Koran) with imperialistic dreams of destroying all infidel governments and installing a global Islamic terror State.

Like cuckoo's eggs, they will push the true children of the West out of their own nests, and steal all of our hard-won achievements.

With delusional "compassionate" infidels feeding them in the meantime.

Until they have the power to turn on them and cut their throats in thanks.

Islam belongs in Mecca, not in Civilization.

Posted by: profitsbeard at July 26, 2007 12:28 PM

OT -

Just heard on the DMZ that the Dems backed down from the Graham bill, and it apparently passed just now...per Mitch McConnell to Dennis Miller.

Posted by: Miss_Anthrope at July 26, 2007 12:31 PM

Rajesh

Didn't see anything at that link.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at July 26, 2007 1:23 PM

Sheik Feiz left Australia for Lebanon in 2005 before moving to Malaysia this year to complete his Masters in Islamic studies.

This is what he learned: Former Sydney imam who produced DVDs calling for jihad martyrdom, calling Jews pigs, "phones home for sermons" while studying in Malaysia.

He learned his lessons well...Now lock him up...

Posted by: duh_swami at July 26, 2007 1:23 PM

Rajesh_singh

thanks for that link. but there's a chapter missing about how violent and racist muslim "communities" are in the west, especially the UK and france.

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at July 26, 2007 1:44 PM

LazarOfSerbia: Thanks for pointing out a key difference between Judaism and Christianity on the one hand and Islam on the other-------specifically, that the Bible is not meant as a paradigm for action for all time, while the Koran most definitely is. Also, any violence spoken of in the Old Testament to further the ancient Jews' occupation of the Promised Land was for a very limited area of real estate. The Koran, by contrast, enjoins believers to take over the entire earth, by force if necessary.
Whenever I speak to someone who counters any assertion that the Koran is full of instruction for violence by indicating that there is also violence in the Bible, I know I'm speaking to a clueless, moral equivalizer. Too bad there's still a lot of them out there. They make the job harder to convince a large majority in the West that Islam is not just another religion.

Posted by: Wellington at July 26, 2007 2:00 PM

Wellington:

The basic differences between Islam and Judeo-Christianity are quite clear (at least to me) and really do not require any noteworthy revelations by anyone. Common sense will work just fine with this matter.

Regarding Islam:

The Qur'an states in Surah 9.5: "And when the forbidden months have ended, slay the idolaters everywhere they are found; besiege them, capture them, torture them, prepare every stratagem of warfare upon them; levy the poor tax upon their conversion to the ways of al-lah; lo the ways of al-lah are indeed merciful."

Regarding Christianity:

The Bible's 10 Commandments include:
"Thou shalt not kill."

By the way, the 10 Commandments ARE intended as a paradigm for all time and this is one of the very few aspects of Christianity that are comparable with Islam. But, no matter. It is clear from this tiny comparison that the CONTENT of Islamic beliefs are diametrically opposed to those of Judeo-Christianity.

I have spotted another key difference: Islam teaches the practices of beheading and amputation. However, in Judeo-Christianism such maiming of the human body is mentioned in the Old Testament as being one of the seven deadly sins (this sin is referred to as "mayhem").

Yahweh strongly condemns the (largely Islamic) practices of maiming or truncating the human body. This is one of the main reasons that show why Yahweh and al-lah can NOT be the same being and that Islam and Judeo-Christianism have entirely DIFFERENT source material!

Posted by: pythagoras at July 26, 2007 2:31 PM

“The Global Islamic Youth Centre, of which Sheik Feiz is the spiritual leader, yesterday would not be drawn on his comments on Jews and jihad but praised his commitment to serving Australia's young Muslims.”

This is tacit approval of Sheik Feiz’s teachings & opinions, whether they admit it or not. These local imams are playing Aussies for simple fools – can the Aussies see this? Australia one way or another ought to get rid of all these imams who don’t loudly condemn Feiz and his demented ilk, and closedown any mosque that oozes any hint of violent antisimitism or jihad glorification. These are your enemies pure and simple, and they surely laugh at your gullibility when you show it. Time to laugh at them.

Spirit Of 1683 pointed out a great article:

”In order to help them overcome their savagery, Muslims must be “exorcized” from Islam. To do so, it must be discredited so it loses it appeal. Shame makes them violent, but it eventually will set them free. Therefore the answer to their violence is not to respect their faith but to shame them more. Only intense shame can break their shell and set them free.

Narcissism is fed through narcissistic supplies. Recognition and respect are narcissistic supplies. Feeding narcissism does not help the narcissist, It rather makes them worse. They become bullies, more arrogant and more demanding. Narcissists cannot be helped through appeasement. In the words of Churchill, “An appeaser is one who feeds the crocodile hoping it will eat him last." The Germans and many European governments are trying to appease Muslims. They are not aware of the danger of Islam and the calamity that they are going to face in a very near future. Ignorance has a price to pay. The price of this ignorance can be civil war and blood of innumerable people, both Muslims and non-Muslims in Europe .
http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina70723.htm

Posted by: FM at July 26, 2007 2:37 PM

Frank:

You may already be aware tbat Hitler found Islamic ideology to be a profound inspiration and he subsequently developed friendships within the Muslim world, notably with the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem (the notorious WW2 criminal, Hajj Amin al-Husseini) and the Hassan al-Banna, the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood.

In fact, Nazism and Islam are virtually identical from an ideological perspective.

"Mein Kampf" is even a major best seller throughout the Muslim world, year after year. (I wonder why).

See "THE ISLAMIC MEIN KAMPF" on the 'TERRORISM AWARENESS' link (if you haven't already done that).

Posted by: pythagoras at July 26, 2007 2:38 PM

If you haven't heard Feiz, I've a clip of him on my blog: http://tinyurl.com/2ef8vx or just do search for 'feiz mohammed' on You Tube.

He's Death's Recruiting Seargent for AQ. Muslim kids love him - he's the one who's job it is to let them know it's OK to die for Allah. And they lap him up.

Very very dangerous man indeed. At least as dangerous as Anjem Choudhary in the UK.

Quote from fanboy YouTube:

subhan allah.... DEATH!! this talk is amazing!!

Posted by: Un:dhimmi at July 26, 2007 2:47 PM

pythagoras: Thanks for your comments. We're on the same page here. When I maintained that what's in the Bible is not intended as a model for action for all time I meant the events that are spoken of in various books of the Old Testatment, not the Ten Commandments per se, which you were correct to point out. As an example, I know of no Jewish rabbi anywhere on earth, even the most Ultra-Orthodox, who thinks that an adultress should be stoned, yet this was a feature of ancient Judaic law. Yet one can fine literally millions upon millions of Muslims worlwide, encouraged by untold numbers of imams, who assert that stoning an adultress or burying her alive or both is something that should still be done. Good point too your mentioning that mutilation has never been sanctioned by the Judeo-Christian ethic but in the Muslim world it's a major feature of sharia. All part of the reason why I look upon Islam as a form of mental illness.

Posted by: Wellington at July 26, 2007 3:00 PM

There is no moral equivalency between Christianity and Islam. The equasion is very simple, When Christans act up, it is IN SPITE of Christianity, not BECAUSE of it. When Muslims act up, it is BECAUSE of Islam, and not IN SPITE of it.

"...that the Bible is not meant as a paradigm for action for all time, while the Koran most definitely is".

Thats correct in my view Wellington.

While the Bible is timeless, the Quran is very much stuck in real time. When the submitted read the Quran (especially in Arabic), they are not reading what Allah passed to Mohammad 1400 years ago, Allah is passing it to them NOW, in the present tense. And as they read it over and over, Allah speaks to them over and over. Allah is speaking to them directly. And he makes it clear what he expects of submitters, and what will happen to those who falter. Allah needs submitters for his existence. If every muslim suddenly died, Allah would die also. Sound vampirish? You bet.
The five things that can kill Allah off, are disbelief (in Allah), mass apostacy, The Torah, the Cross, and the light of truth. And like Dracula, Islam/Allah hide from the light. Much of the Quran is Allahs shield, to hold those five destroying angels off. Allah is not omnipotent, or it would not need all these protections.
For Allah to fully manifest itself, the entire planet needs to be muslim. No dhimmi's either.
(Well maybe a few to do janitorial work)
Muslims are told every day what their Islamic dutys are, and it is Allah itself, that is telling them to attack in his name...Islam is then, a grand hallucination, acted upon by the delusional.
There is no similarity between that, and the Bible, Christianity, or Judaism...or God...

You are right, this is a form of mental illness...

Posted by: duh_swami at July 26, 2007 3:13 PM

I can see the headlines now:
"PC phones home"
lol

Posted by: jcom972 at July 26, 2007 7:38 PM

"Dr Ali Sina offers advice in defeating the Jihad in this interesting piece on
http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina70723.htm
In it, he makes salient observations about Muslims, about non-Muslims, political correctness etc. All in all, a good read..."
Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 July 26, 2007 8:51 AM
- - - - -
Thanks for the link. I found this quote very interesting as well: "The Western culture, is guilt based. The Eastern culture is shame based. For Easterners, everything is about image and how others see us. The opposite of guilt is innocence. If your ethos is guilt based, you have an inner police that stops you from doing wrong because doing wrong makes you feel guilty. If your ethos is shame based, all you care is to preserve your image. The opposite of shame is honor. You can do wrong but as long as no one sees it, your image is not tarnished and you can still be seen as an honorable person. In a shame based culture, wrong and right have no meaning. It is all about shame and honor. If the stain of shame is removed, even if it means the murder of your own daughter, honor is restored. These are two very different worldviews. Unless we understand them we will not be able to make sense of Muslims and their minds."
and another quote
"Islam is an illogical doctrine that is based on fear and is defended through honor. ... Muslims are not concerned about the irrationality of Islam or about good or evil. They are mostly concerned about losing face and upholding the image of Islam."

I still can't wrap my mind around "killing your daughter to remove shame and restore honor", but the part about ignoring good and evil (as being irrelevant concepts) to focus on saving face and avoiding shame brings the Mohammed cartoons incident more clearly into focus.

I think we need many more jokes about the inconsistencies of Islam, including those Satanic Verses! The Islamic weak spot is that they want to be taken seriously. But their poor Koran, their poor Mohammed, their poor Allah, can't keep their stories straight from one chapter to another. Excellent mockery material.

Posted by: A_Nonny_Mouse at July 26, 2007 8:07 PM

taqqiyah taqqiyah taqqiyah

Posted by: jcom972 at July 26, 2007 8:35 PM

Wellington:

Serge Trifkovic referred to Islam as a psychosis. I would be the last person to argue with him.

Islam certainly causes mental illness. In my view Islam is such a dehumanizing belief system that the human mind cracks trying to absorb its sheer inhumanity. From any sane, human perspective Islam is aberrant in the extreme.

But if Islam was intended to re-wire the human psyche in such a way as to induce the extinction of our species as I think it is, it may well prove to be a successful psychosis.

Posted by: pythagoras at July 26, 2007 11:36 PM

why is this a surprise?

Posted by: ploome at July 27, 2007 12:44 AM