All I can say is keep your powder dry.

Posted by: JadeDragoness at July 29, 2007 1:07 PM

One of these days, thought Winston with deep conviction, Stanislav Shmulevich will be vaporized. He is too intelligent. He sees too clearly and speaks too plainly. The Party does not like such people. One day he will disappear.

This man has now been empowered to move the debate forward. Stick by your guns Mr. Shmulevich.

Posted by: pez at July 29, 2007 1:10 PM

Call the NY ACLU. Demand they take action.

Posted by: Elric66 at July 29, 2007 1:15 PM

While these types of charges are filed, we have leftist "artists" desecrating Christianity at every possible turn and being applauded for it. As the individual charged in this case stated, people are free to burn the US flag as an "expression of free speech", but don't you dare disrespect a Koran!! That is a felony!! This is simply unbelievable. We are slowly but surely turning into the UK. Next, we won't be able to criticize Islam, much less look at anyone who is Muslim without being charged with a "hate crime".

Posted by: Adam_Schwartz at July 29, 2007 1:15 PM

Please help him out, Robert. You could do a great service explaining to his (future) legal team that islam is not just a religion full of hatred for the infidels, but a political movement as well, so this guy tossing a koran in a toilet is akin to desecrating an American flag, and political speech is absolutely protected under the First Amendment. The muslims tell us over and over that islam is a "complete way of life", encompassing everything, including politics -- no separation of church and state. So desecrating a koran is political speech. Also, what version of the koran was it? If it were just in English, then it's not really a koran at all according to all the muslim spokespeople, but merely an "interpretation" of the koran. Only korans that contain the Arabic alone or alongside the translations are "real" korans.

Posted by: Tasty Beverage at July 29, 2007 1:16 PM

Maybe this case can be challenged at a high level via amicus briefs and a blow be struck on behalf of free speech.

Posted by: jewdog at July 29, 2007 1:19 PM

Does this young man have a site to contribute to his defense fund? If so, we all MUST donate. As one famous person put it. Paraphrased here, “Surely we must all hang together, or hang separately.”

Posted by: senor doeboy at July 29, 2007 1:20 PM

Is a legal fund being organized for Mr. Shmulevich?

I will add that I do not approve of egregious insult to anyone's beliefs, as reprehensible as I may personally find them. It's simply a matter of bad manners. But the leveling of charges of this kind against Mr. Shmulevich is not acceptable. Detesting or holding in contempt another person's beliefs cannot be prosecuted under Western law. Otherwise the jails would be overflowing with Islamic bigots.

Posted by: Chatillon at July 29, 2007 1:21 PM

It can be challenged Jewdog. If burning a flag and dipping a cross in urine can be called free speech, so can this. Otherwise these lawyers, judges, and school officials have to admit that Islam is given special treatment. I encourage everyone to contact the ACLU, talk radio, Pace Unversity etc. Public pressure is the only way to save this poor guy.

Posted by: Elric66 at July 29, 2007 1:22 PM

Only korans that contain the Arabic alone or alongside the translations are "real" korans.

Tell that to the feds who will gleefully persecute him.

The issue is subjugation. Just like the border patrol guards who were locked up for shooting a drug dealer. The message is being sent.

The mexican drug cartels and the saudi terrorists have bought our government.

Crushing us is the payoff.

It not going to be as easy as they think.

Posted by: infidel! at July 29, 2007 1:24 PM

I just e-mailed the story to Fox News. Please do the same.

Posted by: Elric66 at July 29, 2007 1:29 PM

Ever since George Bush’s picaninni, the totally clueless Condoleeza Rice, stood in front of TV camera’s announcing that ‘‘Disrespect for the holy Koran is not now, nor will it ever be, tolerated by the United States….“- it looks as if the cult of Islam is about to replace the constitution with the sharia.

http://sheikyermami.com/2007/07/29/us-flag-burning-okay-koran-burning-gets-you-arrested/

http://sheikyermami.com/2006/12/20/abu-hamza/

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at July 29, 2007 1:36 PM

I cannot say that I agree with what Mr. Shmulevich did, especially as he may have taken Korans which were not his property from the prayer room, but the reaction is too much for me. Two felonies for putting a book in the toilet. I just cannot understand it. It is a book, and that's it. If allah wishes to punish him for it, that's between Mr. Shmulevich and allah. There should be no punishment here in America for this unless it's for petty theft, if he really took the Korans. That's it, a misdemeanor. As the Koran is an insult to the Torah and Bible, can't we sue anyone possessing one on the same grounds?

Is still say ban the Koran and Hadiths as hate speech, just like the Germans have banned everything Nazi.

If anyone knows of a legal defense fund, I will happily contribute!!! I'm sure that Robert or Hugh will post it here if it's not on other websites like LGF.

Karl

Posted by: schwaben at July 29, 2007 1:38 PM

No surprise here. I have said for ages, well at least since the LA riots where the cops basically ran away abandoning the residents to the thugs and looters, that the cops are useless. Ok they are good at making chalk marks and filling out a report on your murder but very little else. Illegal immigration, check. Murder, check. Rape, robbery, pedophilla, check. However, the situation has changed, they are not running away they are attacking the people, please, go back to running away before you destroy our republic. This is another reason why I believe NY is the boil on the anus of our great nation and would never set foot in that town. You can call me what you please I am not a part of what this country has become, right under the noses of the police. I will bet that talk radio gets on this as they did with that rat nifong, he is going to jail, that’s if he does not blow his brains out before they can convict him and we should do the same here. Let’s send these rats where they belong, to prison, right into the general population. Some will say it is not all of them, ok, ok, not all concentration camp guards were sadistic animals, so what? I see an islamist I walk the other way, I see the police I walk the other way. They ask me a question, sorry I don’t say a word, not until I see my lawyer you can’t be trusted. If they don’t like what they are getting stop doing what you are doing. Stay out of these dhimmi cities, if you look cross eyed at an islamist or anti American they might arrest you for felonious glaring real glad to see our tax dollars at work, now if you will excuse me I have some money to burn in my backyard, I’m getting a head start this time.

Posted by: tgusa at July 29, 2007 1:44 PM

Maybe I'm wrong, but the more time goes on, the more I sense that things are getting worse: Radicals are on the rise in the Mideast, especially Iran and her allies, we keep spending more billions in Iraq and getting nowhere, and Islam becomes increasingly sacrosanct at home as witness Keith Ellison and this case as examples.

Posted by: jewdog at July 29, 2007 1:50 PM

Now that they publicised his name Mr. Shmulevich will be a target for every jihadist from NY to Kandahar. Nice job, media.

Posted by: Proud_Islamophobe at July 29, 2007 1:54 PM

Might be worth asking the Saudi government what it does with Bibles that it confiscates. One suggestion is that it shreds them: http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewForeignBureaus.asp?Page=%5CForeignBureaus%5Carchive%5C200505%5CFOR20050519a.html

Posted by: Masthead at July 29, 2007 1:56 PM

Stan S. needs to declare that his act was a bit of protected speech, since his "John Koran" was simply done as a work of academically-respected Protest Art, enacted in the great tradition of the "R. Mutt" urinal by the surrealistic icon Marcel Duchamp and "Piss Christ" by Andres Serrano.

Does Pace want to oppose freedom of expression in the Arts?

Not very progressive or liberal or tolerant of them.

Posted by: profitsbeard at July 29, 2007 1:59 PM

perhaps some lawyers who defended the "Anticair" people can lend this guy a hand, or offer him advice, and or find a website to donate money for his defense fund. l would be willing to donate money. if the lefties can burn the flag, descrate the Holy Cross, this man can do the same to the koran!

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at July 29, 2007 1:59 PM

Yet another example of the cancer known as political correctness, backed up by the brownshirt enforcers of the same.
Don't count on the American Communist Leftists Union (ACLU) doing anything about it...they're on the PCs side.

Dialogue isn't going to solve this.
Purging the collaborators is the only solution.

Posted by: jcom972 at July 29, 2007 2:03 PM

The more I think about it, I must agree that this indeed is a hate crime. The suspect must have been harboring some real ill feelings towards that innocent toilet to flush a Qur'an in it.

Posted by: Elric66 at July 29, 2007 2:13 PM

If you want to know why we're in grave danger of losing our civilization - this must surely be the biggest reason. You just couldn't make it up - being charged with two felonies, mischief and aggravated harrassment for putting a Koran in a toilet. Would he have been charged with felonies for putting a Bible or Torah in a toilet? Certainly not. Islam is intolerant, barbaric, cruel, misogynistic, and worse still over-protected and beyond all criticism here in the West. We will lose simply because we forbade ourselves from attacking the ideaology of our 1,400-year-old enemies. What on earth would the likes of Winston Churchill or John Quincy Adams say about us in the West if they could be resurrected for a week? Churchill would choke on his cigar - thats for sure. And now this poor fellow not only faces these charges, he faces financial ruin, and a lifetime of having to look over his shoulder thanks to a treacherous blabbermouthing media, who were only too eager to splash his face and name all over their pages. This is what 40 years of political correctness in the wimpish West has led to. And to think that Muslims here can parade around our streets carrying placards calling for our beheadings and 'celebrate' the 911 atrocity by handing out sweets - and sod all happens to them. Was anyone arrested back in World War II for singing "Hitler has only got one ball", or for those wartime cartoons aimed at the Nazis? No! But it is a fair bet they would have been arrested had the politically correct nitwits who run far too many of our institutions for our own good today, been around 60 years earlier. Whatever I may think of the UK at times, even we haven't stooped to this just yet.

Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at July 29, 2007 2:25 PM

If this case can overturn the entire anti-First Amendment concept of a "hatecrime" ("thoughtcrime"), it will be more than worth the replacement of two lousy Korans.

I have two extras if Pace needs them.

It is good material for any infidel to be aware of.

Know thy enemy. Read thy Koran.

Posted by: profitsbeard at July 29, 2007 2:27 PM

Now that you mentioned it, elric...
That's an insult to demean those poor toilets!
Death by hanging!
lol
(/sarc)

Posted by: jcom972 at July 29, 2007 2:35 PM

The aclu, the anti-American criminal lawyers union? Lethal injection is a crime, a crime against humanity. Bring back the eyeball popping brain stem melting electric chair, I wanna smell some meat sizzling on the grill it makes me hungry and that is good for business. I wouldn’t worry too much about the media felons, they will eventually be tossed off of a tall building by the very people they are in bed with. Aw too bad. This is a golden opportunity for him, he will be a rich man after he sues the media felons. File a civil rights lawsuit, take it all the way to the supreme court, the koran can now be brought in and scrutinized for what is in it. They want to show motive as to his hate, lets examine why he was driven to hate, lets show that his hate is justified. Do the courts believe that women are less equal than men, is that what they purport? I think these idiots have opened a can of worms and found scorpions inside instead. Hang tough Stanislav Shmulevich you will come out of this an American hero and rich as well. You can spend the rest of your life on the beach doing interviews and flushing to your hearts desire. Never forget sir, you have millions and millions of supporters out here, we are not going to back down as a matter of fact we are going to get loud! What is worse, hating evil or arresting people for hating evil, you know the answer to that.

Posted by: tgusa at July 29, 2007 2:46 PM

Nah, too merciful...

I still prefer the iraqi method for the lowest of the lowest...
http://postarchives.entensity.net/011907/image.php?pic=saddambrothershead.jpg
...they tend to "lose their minds" over this one.
lol

Posted by: jcom972 at July 29, 2007 2:51 PM

Ouch. That will leave a mark. Hey, call the NYPD that guy is littering!

Posted by: tgusa at July 29, 2007 2:59 PM

The only crime here is that the piece of crap called Koran did not go down the pipe when flushed. Sue the plumber, not the flusher.
People we must stand up to these people who try to Buffalo us into giving in to their demands that they always have the right to do whatever they wish just because they worship some weird religion .

Posted by: Hebrew Handyman at July 29, 2007 3:34 PM

The only one stopping this kind of nonsense is congressman Tom Tancredo, R-CO: http://www.teamtancredo.com

Posted by: Alert at July 29, 2007 3:40 PM

Over at Hot Air (a site where Robert occasionally makes an appearance), the blogger known as "Allahpundit" looks at the statutes under which he is charged, which deal with "criminal mischief" and "aggravated harassment".

If I understand the charges correcty, what Mr. Shmulevic is accused of doing is taking these Korans from a "mediation room" and then putting them in a toilet. While I would certainly be outraged (and scared) if someone is prosecuted for "thought crime", and have a major revulsion to "penalty enhancement" for crimes committed from certain motives, what the defendant allegedly did would be a genuine criminal act - taking an object from its proper place and then damaging it.

Having said that, I'm not sure his act would even violate the statutes that Allahpundit quotes, unless the two copies of the Koran are worth some money. The criminal mischief charge requires $250 damage for 3rd degree, and $1,500 for 2nd degree. (4th degree is only a misdemeanor.) The aggravated harassment charge requires $50 damage for 1st degree (2nd degree being a misdemeanor), to a premises used "primarily" for religious purposes.

I my opinion, what Mr. Shmulevic allegedly did is analogous to stealing two books and throwing them into a mud puddle. If it were up to me, he would be charged with petty theft and/or property damage, and sentenced to community service and restitution to Pace for the value of the two books. And nothing beyond that.

Posted by: Bigfoot at July 29, 2007 3:46 PM

We are at the point where unpredictable events are the driving force among us. Just like 1775, one minute we were at peace the next minute the shot heard round the world was fired. The Civil War 1861, one minute peace, and then the firing on Fort Sumter and all out war ensued. WWI 1914 again peace and then bam Arch Duke Ferdinand is assassinated and world war begins. WWII, 1939 peace, and Hitler stages an attack on his own radio station implicating the Poles. He didn’t want world war yet, he was counting on using that incident to justify his war with Poland. I don’t think he ever wanted world war I believe he preferred that the Axis take the world a piece at a time, sort of like what we are seeing today with the islamists. But it backfired, France and GB did not cooperate and declared war on Germany. All of a sudden WWII had started. What unpredictable events will drive us forward, we shall see.

Posted by: tgusa at July 29, 2007 3:48 PM

Unbelievable.

Posted by: Wimbledon Womble at July 29, 2007 4:00 PM

This has CAIR pressure written all over it.

Posted by: Wimbledon Womble at July 29, 2007 4:03 PM

And of course the New York chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR-NY) has been informed that the recent desecration of a Quran at Pace University was recognized as a hate crime.

Pace President David Caputo wrote in a letter describing the incident: that one of the university's greatest strengths is its diversity ( folks beware of that word "diversity" because that is actually our achilles heal when it comes to Muslims, it is in fact another word for that perversion of multiculturalsm,)" President Caputo continues--"When speech is hurtful towards a class of people or incites violence, we must condemn it and take measures to stop it." President Caputo what are you going to do to stop the aggression of of Muslims students and CAIR as they demaned more and more rights from your university? What is disturbing is that the University and CAIR are trying to blend in religious animosities into the same package.

Apparently there have been at least 2 incidents of a Quran placed in a toilet over the last several months.
In October of 2006 a spokeswoman for the Universities Muslim students Association Maram Sayar Akabar, the group's civil rights director, said in a statement: ,"We once again call on Pace University to take concrete measures to help educate the student population about Islamophobic bigotry and its negative impact on ordinary Muslims and on American society,".

Apparently this is part of a story that has been slowly developing on the campus Of Pace over the past year, Check out this story from the New York Post on January 9th of this year; http://www.nypost.com/seven/01092007/news/regionalnews/paces_docu_drama_regionalnews_david_andreatta.htm --and you might see how this has gotten legs lately. Still this remains no more than a vandalism crime. But now it is heading towards a felony because Muslims are pressuring the University to adopt any desecration of the Koran as a felony. But look farther into the New York Post article where the Jewish students are being told not to show the film OBSESSION on campus and threatening them with being implicated in the Quran toilet incidents. Oh and never mind all the swastikas and antisemetic graffiti scrolled around the campus.

Posted by: Mackie at July 29, 2007 4:14 PM

sheik yer'mami quoted Condoleeza Rice

Disrespect for the holy Koran is not now, nor will it ever be, tolerated by the United States.

The audacity of this Administration, that they will tell us what we can or cannot criticize, that they will tell us what we must respect, is beyond belief.

"...not now, nor will it ever be...". But it was. Free speech, even on controversial topics, used to be tolerated by the United States. In the 1700's, or 1800's, or much of the 1900's, one could toss a Qur'an or any other document into a toilet or outhouse without fear of felony arrest.

As Spirit Of 1683 said, the Founding Fathers did not set down a list of books that must be shown Respect, or a list of ideas that were off-limits to discussion. Many of the Founding Fathers specifically criticized Islam. Under today's hate speech laws, some of them might have been charged with a felony.

The outlawing of criticism of Islam is not a cornerstone principle of our country. It is a very recent phenomenon, and it is at odds with most of our history. We are undertaking a new experiment, one that belongs in the laboratory of Dr. Frankenstein.

Posted by: special_guest at July 29, 2007 4:22 PM

"Just like 1775, one minute we were at peace the next minute the shot heard round the world was fired."

Except in this case it was a flush heard around the world.

Posted by: atheling at July 29, 2007 4:22 PM

If this isn't a hoax, it only goes to show the power to intimidate a small number of Muslims can weild in a Western society. For a university like Pace to be willing to forsake the most basic principles of free speech, can only be due to fear.

If Pace is willing to go this far in catering to Campus Muslims, why not go all the way and institute dress codes for females on University property, so as not to offend Muslim students?

If the story is true, it calls for massive campus demonstrations, with each demonstrator carrying a Koran to feed the bonfire.

I'm still having trouble believing that this story isn't some kind of hoax.

Posted by: rational at July 29, 2007 4:39 PM

Mackie said

Pace President David Caputo wrote in a letter describing the incident: that one of the university's greatest strengths is its diversity

I am all for diversity, whether ethnic or religious. I wholeheartedly support women's right to equality. I respect the many cultures of the world (including our own). I believe everyone should be free to practice their beliefs as they see fit.

That's why I'm against Islam.

Posted by: special_guest at July 29, 2007 4:44 PM

Did Condi Rice really call it the "holy" Koran?

I hope this Stan person gets a good lawyer. This is an important case.

Posted by: Josephine at July 29, 2007 4:56 PM

I really don't want to spend my money buying korans just to desecrate them, but now I'm tempted... I wonder if pork BBQ will taste better with a koran, along with charcoal, is used to cook it...

I'll have to invite the folks from the Greenville Islamic Center to give me their opinion. I'll make sure there's also lots of cold beer for my muslim "friends".

Karl

Posted by: schwaben at July 29, 2007 5:02 PM

Bite the forbidden fruit, pay the price.

The U.S. Constitution went out the window years ago with Roe v Wade, and has been left to the whim of attorneys ever since.

Stinks like the EU to me.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at July 29, 2007 5:05 PM

"We are slowly but surely turning into the UK"

In the UK, this case wouldn't even get to court. It would be considered trivial and silly.
The USA gave us litigation for everything. The USA gave us the concept, that everything must be somebody else's fault, not the UK.
Hey over here a Barrister can't brief his clients on what to say in court, and he's appointed to defend, the client doesn't get a choice. Is that fair, is that justice, or what?

Posted by: Ian at July 29, 2007 5:12 PM

“The flush heard round the world”, that should be a headline or a book title.

So WWII a war that would span the globe and would be ruthlessly fought on land sea and in the air was ignited by the Germans attacking themselves. And I always thought the Twilight Zone was just a TV show.

Imho, he should fight on the grounds that he was expressing his intolerance of discrimination against women in the book. It will be up to them to prove it doesn’t say that. There is no protection of books in America, not the Bible, Torah, not the Constitution. Hate crime against a book, that’s a new one on me. At most vandalism, the toilet could have been clogged and overflowed, and depending on where the book came from maybe destruction of private property. Petty theft, not if he didn’t remove it from campus or steal it from the library. How about unauthorized relocation of university property? None of these crimes are felonies. However, what has ensued over this misdemeanor if indeed it is, is a crime and possibly a felony at that. But nevermind, if I were a homeowner in the vicinity of this school I would be lobbying for the revocation of their business license. A potential threat to the community, if they are sanctifying that book what else is going on there?

Posted by: tgusa at July 29, 2007 5:16 PM

Like other cases of CAIR/MSA pressure and agitation, this may actually serve the cause of sanity and liberty more than the totalitarian/PC nexus agenda. CAIR and MSA overreach and overplay their hand again and again. It's their congenital disorder. They can't help themselves. They have been encouraged by the scaredy-cat PC universities and justice system. Then they keep going. One sees this mindset again and again. Give one inch, and they demand more.

What they don't fully understand is that they are doing this in the US, where thanks to blogs and free speech (such as it still is), these stories get spread and commented upon and amplified. In the end, it just does damage to overly sensitive Muslims, their academic shock troop division, the MSA, and their legal whining and harassment division, CAIR.

For every little "victory" they claim in elevating an immature prank into a felony hate crime, they lose, in that they radicalize the very mainstream they are supposedly trying to influence. More and more people, conservatives and thoughtful liberals, are becoming aware of how insane these maximalist Muslim activists are. They want us all to submit, and we the people are coming around to seeing this simple fact.

I say, go for it. Keep up your good work MSA and CAIR, because you are just creating awareness of your own extremist craziness. In a very real sense, MSA and CAIR are creating Islamophobia - or Islamo-awareness - where none existed before.

If I were a Muslim who just wanted to live in the US and benefit from the freedoms and opportunities of the West, while quietly practicing my religion in peace, I'd be up in arms against the MSA and CAIR, which simply serve to make all Muslims seem like ultra-sensitive, censorial absolutists on a mission of destroying anything they see in any slight way to be an action not sanctioned by Sharia law. So these activist organizations are only serving to raise awareness of the threat they pose. In the process, they are giving a bad name to all Muslims, save those who speak up against this (sadly, very few to none).

Keep at it, MSA and CAIR. You are the boys who cried wolf. We will soon ignore you entirely.

Posted by: Wimbledon Womble at July 29, 2007 5:36 PM

The Koran is social/political text with a social/political agenda. Thousands all over the world are waving a Koran in one hand and a weapon in the other calling for MY death. The RIGHT to desecrate a Koran is, in this age THE test of free expression. It is the litmus test of our freedoms, our government, our faith in ourselves. THIS is something to fight and die for.

I've thought about this and have realized that if it becomes a crime to 'desecrate a Koran'. I will publicly do so regardless of the consequences and hope others, in the spirit of 1776 will do likewise. THIS is the 'do or die' moment.

Posted by: poetcomic1 at July 29, 2007 5:36 PM

The President of Pace should have called Muslim students to a conference in his office, and laied it on the line:

"I know that the Koran is a sacred book to you as Muslims, and that you are deeply offended by what you consider a desecration of your holy scriptures, but this is an American university, and we here do not endorse or officially recognize any book as sacred -- not the Torah, not the Gospels, not the Koran.

We do, however, recognize the principle of free speech as sacred. When free speech is exercised of this campus, it is almost guaranteed that someone will be offended, but being offended is the price you pay for the sacred right of free speech.

You are free to speak out against this student's words and actions. You are free to peacefully protest, debate and argue, but you are not free to interfere in any way with his right to express his opinions freely.

We at this university value free speech so highly, that we will defend it with all means at our disposal, including expulsion from the university, and, if necessary, prosecution.

If you cannot understand and live with this sacred principle, you do not belong on this campus -- or probably on any other university campus in the United States or the Western world.

What Pace President David Caputo is telling Muslims on his campus is that "diversity" is a more sacred principle than free speech. What kind of message is this to students that desperately need to be taught something better than what they had in their own countries?

Would it be any wonder if these students returned home to their Islamic dominated universities, and believed it was perfectly natural to subvert free speech in the name of religious dogma? Why not? that's what they learned at Pace.

Posted by: rational at July 29, 2007 6:05 PM

Here’s the New York Post release: ‘From Russia with … Hate?’

They are alleging he clogged the toilets.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/07282007/news/regionalnews/college_koran_flusher_collared_regionalnews_philip_messing_and_hasani_gittens.htm

Posted by: pez at July 29, 2007 6:14 PM

I'm speech less...
Oh, no wonder, it's no longer free.

Posted by: Joe Schmoe USA at July 29, 2007 6:25 PM

What Penn Jillette and Teller would have said;
This is BULLSHIT!

I've been really outraged by this, if people can burn the bible(which I did once), why people can't do the same thing with koran? Is the freespeech, and freedom of thought a crime now?

Posted by: Dr.CancerMan at July 29, 2007 6:39 PM

When I heard her say it I fell out of my chair. I later used it in my song 'Abu Hamza'- that statement in itself is so outrageous and stupid the mind boggles:

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Posted by: sheik yer'mami at July 29, 2007 7:21 PM

I've been really outraged by this, if people can burn the bible(which I did once), why people can't do the same thing with koran? Is the freespeech, and freedom of thought a crime now?
Posted by: Dr.CancerMan [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 29, 2007 6:39 PM

Why cant you? The leftist made an alliance with Islam to destroy Western society.

Posted by: Elric66 at July 29, 2007 7:35 PM

Situations like this are convincing me more and more Islam is the primary religion of the anti-christ, the way its babied and protected from any "desecration" in the media or by world leaders. Its so strange how it pushes into cultures once so opposed to it with ease now...I see it as a huge part of the end time delusion. Using fear and politically correctness as its springboard, its just matter of time before the USA is saturated with this double standard how it is treated compared the U.S.'s once most revered and widely held belief...Christianity.

Posted by: SoteriA at July 29, 2007 7:48 PM

You got that right Elric66 and below is more leftist censorship. They can’t compete in a marketplace of ideas and just like with Stans charmin they need to hide the truth by denying scrutiny. Their ideas don’t pass the smell test so censorship, indoctrination, imprisonment are the only alternatives.
“The Censorship Cabal” http://www.californiaconservative.org/liberals/the-censorship-cabal/

Posted by: tgusa at July 29, 2007 8:04 PM

Liberalism today isnt liberalism, its more like Stalinism.

Posted by: Elric66 at July 29, 2007 8:10 PM

According to the New York Post article he has indeed been charged with a hate crime. I always thought that a hate crime had to involve an attack on an actual individual person, say the Matthew Shephard case. But in this case, there is no individual person that is the target of this crime. So what is the basis for the hate crime charge? What if the guy actually admits to hating Islam - the ideology - but denies hating any individual Muslims?

It does seem that a key aspect to being charged with a hate crime is that one first has to commit a crime and then the "hate" angle is superimposed on that. But in this case there is no human being as the actual target of the supposed "hate" crime.

Would that mean that anyone burning an American flag - say in a place where he didn't have a permit to do so (as presumably a crime has to precede the additional charge of "hate crime") - could be charged with hating Americans? It could presumably also mean that anyone caught say vandalizing the offices of a local Republican party could also be charged with a hate crime - hating Republicans.

No individual need be the target. All one needs is 1) evidence of breaking the law and 2) evidence that could implicate dislike for an ideology in the choice of target.

I hope leftists are paying close attention here.

I hope everyone is playing close attention here.

I would definitely agree with others who would like to see a legal defense fund set up for this guy. I am sure that millions of people would contribute to it.

But I am also kind of glad this is happening. If Muslims think this is going to endear themselves to the average American citizen, they've got a whole other thing coming.

Before this whole thing is over, after its been splashed all over the MSM, I'm going to guess that the hate factor towards Muslims will have increased considerably.

Posted by: Caroline at July 29, 2007 8:19 PM

This could also seem to mean that say a college student caught spraying graffiti against an opposing football team could be charged with a hate crime - hating the opposing team. There would seem to be all sorts of possibilities here. For example, take your average protester at a rally carrying a sign which could be seen as disparaging a certain group and getting arrested for some minor issue - disturbance of the peace say, or illegally blocking traffic. Presumably, in the course of committing that infraction, he could additionally have a hate crime charge tacked on.

Posted by: Caroline at July 29, 2007 8:30 PM

I hope this inspires others to follow suit. A koran in every toilet, outhouse, and pig sty! This sounds like an excellent, and easily defensible way to demonstrate our committment to freedom and abhorrence of sharia. The timing is right, too, while we still have a bare majority on the Supreme Court who actually adhere to the U.S. Constitution.

Posted by: Infidel33 at July 29, 2007 8:31 PM

Isn't it ironic that a young man born in the former USSR land of Pravda and the nkvd has to give us a lesson in free speech/expression. A lesson that some of us are failing miserably in understanding. When I was a kid the soviets were the censorship ogres, now it is us, who won the cold war? Up is down, carry on.

Posted by: tgusa at July 29, 2007 8:36 PM

To look on the bright side, every outrage involving Islam, has served to awaken more and more people. A big group that has been AWOL in this fight has been the left. They are a group that has a lot to lose if this becomes legal precedent.

I am very sorry that Mr. Shmulevich personally has to pay a price here. But if someone can set up a legal defense fund in his name, he won't have to pay a monetary price. He just needs to have some guts to see this through. Given his actions so far, I suspect he just might be up to the task.

Posted by: Caroline at July 29, 2007 8:47 PM

His problem is going to be too many lawyers, it will look like a pack of hyenas trying at the same time to get a piece of guinea pig. He is going to need a lawyer to figure out which lawyer he wants to defend him. Out here on the west coast the grapevine sez there is a battle going on over movie rights as we speak. I hear he may skip the book and go right to the big screen, he can write an autobiography later, call it something like, why I did it or Flushed, the saga of a young immigrant in America.

Posted by: tgusa at July 29, 2007 9:05 PM

Infidel says:
"The mexican drug cartels and the saudi terrorists have bought our government."

Firstly, every comment here is most worthy.

But Infidel's comment really nails it.

I have been afraid that this is indeed the case, not just in America, but all over the west.

There is no other explanation as to why our governments no longer protect us. Why do muslims get all the legal breaks? Why are they almost never convicted and/stopped for doing what they do?

One poor soul flushes a "thing" consisting of paper with printing on it and that's not allowed.

I hate to think how many times similar things have been done to the Bible. We will never know, but that's ok I guess, we must endure it stoically.

I hope this is the catalyst for all of us to take our countries back, and send a message to our governments that their only job is to protect us. If they can't/wont do that...let them f*** off!
(sorry for the bad language: I am angry!)

Posted by: Gramfan at July 29, 2007 9:10 PM

This will never stick. I am alomst positive of that.

Saudi Arabia is the ultimate enemy of the West. Almost does not even enter into the equation, in that regard.

Posted by: awake at July 29, 2007 9:30 PM

Re Ian:
"Hey over here a Barrister can't brief his clients on what to say in court, and he's appointed to defend, the client doesn't get a choice. Is that fair, is that justice, or what?"
All I can say is BULLS*#T
If you believe that,then you are a moron.
We suffer the Westminster system here in Australia and having been involved in rape cases over the last seven years (the Skaff gang rapes of 2000)it shows that you don't know WTF you are talking about.
D.T.

Posted by: D.T. at July 29, 2007 9:34 PM

There is a possiblity that this kid is the North Carolina SUV jiahdist in reverse. He knows the Koran and the knowledge has inspired him to express himself in a somewhat defiant manner. However, unlike the Al-Taheri muslim devotee, his defiance in no way represents a felony. Anything that puts the Koran on trial is good news and this youngster may have the guts and brains to give it a good show totally turning the tables on the Pace Muslim Student mob. The real hate crime is the Koran and those who use it as such. Flushing it down the toilet is good comical symbolism.

Posted by: Briars at July 29, 2007 9:38 PM

tgusa: "Out here on the west coast the grapevine sez there is a battle going on over movie rights as we speak."

Oh Man - if that's true, how could this possibly be a bad thing?

One way I'd like to see the case go is in emphasizing that the hatred in this "hate crime" is against Islam - the ideology - and not against any individual Muslims. That opens up so many possibilities for exposing Islam. In the man's defense he could point out all the verses in the Koran that call for hatred against him as well as his choices for conversion, death or subjugation.

Why shouldn't he hate such an ideology that hates and victimizes him? (Not to be confused with hating Muslims as individual human beings)?

Bring it on! This could be the legal case we've been waiting for. I just hope he's personally up for the task.

Posted by: Caroline at July 29, 2007 9:43 PM

Caroline
It could be a bad thing if someone like Tim Robbins make the movie,lol!

BTW has anyone watched "Sleeper Cell"?
Whoever wrote it knows quite a bit. I am impressed!

Wonder if Dennis Miller will do a piece on it? He's always good value.

D.T.
always nice to see you pop in now and then:)

Posted by: Gramfan at July 29, 2007 9:49 PM

Caroline,
Yes I absolutely agree. As a matter of fact I have changed my mind from my original post where I was lashing out in all directions. Sure, there are plenty of dhimmis in NY but thankfully they are ignrnt of our laws. I am convinced this is going to lead to good things, you know, this comes under the heading of why didn’t we think of this sooner? Well we would have had to have the police cooperation if we planned it and we would have had to tell the DA, hey massively overreach in your charges, make yourself out to look like an idiot. I don’t think we would have had many takers for that. It is a dream case, it has it all, an immigrant, religion, it takes place at a university(famous for protests of all kinds), free speech implications, over zealous prosecutors, media harassment, man, to be a lawyer in NY today, what a ride. The lawyer/firm involved stands to make a name for themselves, that and tons of anti islamist legal fees in the future. This is only the beginning of the anti legal jihad.

Posted by: tgusa at July 29, 2007 10:05 PM

Gramfan - I wouldn't be surprised if all sorts of unexpected allies from the left got on board in this case! And if the ACLU doesn't step up to the mat here, I predict it will be the death of them ( a death long overdue actually).

Posted by: Caroline at July 29, 2007 10:06 PM

Before this whole thing is over, after its been splashed all over the MSM, I'm going to guess that the hate factor towards Muslims will have increased considerably.
Posted by: Caroline [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 29, 2007 8:19 PM

Just wait until we get hit again. I wouldnt want to be a Muslim in America.

Posted by: Elric66 at July 29, 2007 10:08 PM

If they need a screenwriter...

FADE IN

MUSIC: A pastiche of the theme from "Jaws".

INT. PACE UNIVERSITY. MUSLIM 'MEDITATION' ROOM. DUSK.

TRACKING SHOT of a paperback book (Koran) being slipped off a bookshelf in the empty, shadowy chamber, and carried out of the room, down a deserted hallway and INTO a nearby men's room.

REVERSE ANGLE SHOT from underwater, inside a toilet, as a blurry human figure approaches, then a rectagular object is RELEASED by a wavery hand, and in SLO-MO the book (Koran) PLUMMETS toward the camera, SPALSHES through the surface of the commode's liquid, and its cover title becomes clear to the audience as the volume SINKS in: "The KORAN" (Penguin edition, for a little inside humor).

SOUND: JOLTINGLY LOUD TOILET FLUSHING-

DISSOLVE TO TITLES:

"Koran In A Can: the Stan S. Freedom of Speech Case"

All we need is the ending.

Posted by: profitsbeard at July 29, 2007 10:25 PM

Elric66: "Just wait until we get hit again. I wouldnt want to be a Muslim in America."

Well since "Muslim" isn't a race, but rather allegiance to an ideology, it's something one actually has the free choice (in America at least) to change.

Posted by: Caroline at July 29, 2007 10:28 PM

profitsbeard:

ROFL!!!

(Sorry, but it sounds like a tv production)

Posted by: atheling at July 29, 2007 11:07 PM

BTW has anyone watched "Sleeper Cell"?
I own both seasons, really realistic.

Posted by: interestinconundrum at July 29, 2007 11:11 PM

Just wait until we get hit again. I wouldnt want to be a Muslim in America.
Posted by: Elric66

You watch, our military will be deployed to protect moslems. Bizarro World.

Posted by: interestinconundrum at July 29, 2007 11:15 PM

Alright, it has come to this. Poetcomic1 said this is the litmus test, that this is something to fight and die for. I whole-heartedly agree.

So, what I will be doing in the next month is to get a web domain with an appropriately anti-Islam domain name, I will build a page when I get the time and put some links on it, whatever, and then I will take pictures of my own act as I personally flush a koran down the toilet.(If I knew how to configure a video on a web page I would take video.)

Furthermore, I am going to get my hands on some other korans (I only own three), preferrably in arabic, and put them in nasty toilets in public places. I am going to push the issue. Hey, maybe I'll pay some homeless guy to urinate on a koran on video for YouTube. I will BRAZENLY apply my right to free speech and I WILL NOT be intimidated by any muslim on this planet, period. If they want to believe a pervert false prophet, that is their own right, but they AINT gonna come here to the USA and tred on mine.

Posted by: angryeagle at July 29, 2007 11:24 PM

atheling-

You got it ! :^)

Posted by: profitsbeard at July 29, 2007 11:57 PM

This should be stopped at any cost. Can we put Bible or other religious books in the toilet? if yes then this is a discrimination against other faiths. Why does the hater of humanity the good for nothing islamist get all the perks in non islamic state? I wonder if somebody did this to Bible or other books ie put in the toilet in the arabia of the saudis they would even bother about. Oh wait it is illegal to have a bible in the arabia of the soudis
America should not tolerate any nonsense like the europeans do. Tolerating the intolerant in other words is suicide.

Posted by: Birbhadra at July 29, 2007 11:58 PM

This is simply anti-American.

Its one thing if he stole the books, that would be clealy wrong. But if this is held as they are doing here, will result with a country jolt, a awaking.

Our culture here embraces free speach, the right to say and do things that voice any opinion, it is part of OUR culture.

To try and halt this is a attack on our culture and laws, and supporting another enemy's culture in its place. It is placing others over us, at a time they claim to support all people ways, they are really saying everybody else first, and we must give way. We are the bad culture that must change to accept any and all, and do not dare to say it is wrong.

The darkness is fading to light. Soon it will be clear to all Americans.

Posted by: Islofob IS-1 at July 30, 2007 12:10 AM

I think the time has come for some real retaliation.......

Posted by: marilyn at July 30, 2007 12:48 AM

In US desecration of the flag is not a crime, but desecrating the Koran is a crime. Now the American authorities and academia reveres the Koran more that the US flag.

I wonder how will the US authorities treat the case if the Saudi flag, which prominently displays the shahada, was placed in the toilet. The initial part of the shahada is taken from Koran 3:18.

Posted by: Nicolei at July 30, 2007 1:03 AM

I posted yesterday that my experience as a prosecutor tells me the conduct complained of will result in misdeamenor charges at most.

Dispite the email form Schmulevich and the fact that he says he was charged with felonies, I will stick with my opinion that before this thing ever gets to trial the charges he faces will be misdemeanors.

I've read instapundit's legal anlysis at HotAir and it just confirms this view.

Police always overcharge at first. If there is some arguable way to value this Koran at $250 and $250 is the thresholod between a felony and misdeamenor, the police get the benefit of the doubt initially and charge high. Goes along with a "charge 'em high- plead'em low" mentality in many DA"s offices to facilitate plea bargaining.

Interesting at MMalkin site it is mentioned that some attorney who is fighting Pace U. about Hillel group showing film Obsession may get involved.

To the poster above who plans to set up a web page for soliciting video's of koran flushes you can count me in on at least one video. Please let us know when its up.

There are no hate crime laws in SC (5 of 50 states don't). So I may do better than just flush one, I might walk over to the federal district courthouse and burn one on the front steps in midday. I'll make sure Condi gets a signed copy of that video.

Posted by: Leave Iraq Now at July 30, 2007 1:03 AM

The darkness is fading to light. Soon it will be clear to all Americans.

Posted by: Islofob IS-1 at July 30, 2007 12:10 AM

I hope you're right. I don't know about you, but sometimes I feel like the the burden of islam has been unfairly foisted on a few people who worry about its many negative implications constantly, while the clueless masses go about their daily lives in denial or ignorance. I don't expect everyone to become an expert on the subject, but considering the abundance of historical evidence and current events that clearly inculpate islam and muslims, it astonishes me that so many people are still apathetic, ignorant, or defensive of this death cult.

I wonder just how much more islamic insanity it will take to force people to face reality and become angry and proactive. How could anyone read a newspaper or watch the news and still think that islam is a peaceful religion?

Posted by: Susanp at July 30, 2007 1:13 AM

The darkness is fading to light. Soon it will be clear to all Americans.

Islofob,

Of course I agree with your sentiments, but I don't agree that this will jolt Americans into taking any particular action. You say that Our culture embraces free speach, and the right to voice our opinions. Several years ago, I was severly jolted by the passage of the first hate crime laws in this country, and expected that other Americans would be also. It was obvious to me, and expected it would be obvious to all, that Hate crime laws were nothing short of laws designed to bludgeon people into thinking politically approved thoughts.

When these laws passed, and were later approved as constitutional by the federal courts, without any major opposition from the American public, it became apparent to me that there was not much that could jolt Americans into action, even when their most basic rights and interests are endangered. They bought into the dogmas that you fight hate by punishing people that harbor hateful thoughts, and that diversity is so crucial to our nation and its educational institutions, that it trumps constitutional laws and protections. The supreme court has even embraced these dogmas in deciding cases involving constitutional questions.

I wish I could believe that The darkness is fading to light, and that Soon it will be clear to all Americans, but don't count on it.

The charges against this young man by Pace university are perfectly consistent with laws that that have been around for a long time, and apparently with the approval of the American people. And when some activist Judge rules in favor of Pace, don't expect any great uprising by the American public. That should have happened each and every time someone was charged with a hate crime, but it didn't, so there's no reason to expect it'll happen now.

I predict that Pace will win this one. The laws are in place, and the principle that diversity trumps free speech, among other constitution protections, has been well established by our court system long ago.

Posted by: rational at July 30, 2007 1:52 AM

G'day Gramfan.
Ian is a fairdinkum dope if he believes what he writes.
D.T.

Posted by: D.T. at July 30, 2007 2:33 AM

We need a good old-fashioned 1970’s style "subversive-art-happening" event.

We coordinate some "art" displays, a St. James bible in a toilet, a talmud in a toilet and a koran in a toilet, or something like that -- in different parts of the same city.

This will inevitably draw the authorities to do something completely stalinist, indefensible and idiotic in response.

We video all the reactions, including the inevitable hate-crime bust of the victim-volunteer, weave them together into a documentary narrative and work that into a major event with simultaneous releases all over the place.

Who’s into it?

It has to work! It’s a no brainer.

The tactics of the 70’s worked because the people who held the responsibility for defending the culture were simply not up to the job. They were not fully convinced and fully informed promoters of rationality and freedom. They had already been infected and weakened by socialist propaganda — schools are for “socialization”, the good of the community comes before the rights of the individual, etc, etc …

When challenged by leftist and hippie irrationality they really did not have the answers, even though the answers were laying around in plain sight.

Well, the establishment is off in la-la land again, snd spoofing them into irrecoverable shame is an open option again.

Right wing reverso-hippies.

It would work.

The fools running the schools are running on empty.

And the PC thought-police, fugeddabowdit!

Posted by: joeblough at July 30, 2007 2:36 AM

The ones running the schools aren't on empty...they're constantly on FULL...of SH*T.
They only get moderate when they're two quarts low.

Posted by: jcom972 at July 30, 2007 2:54 AM

Just in case nobody mentioned it, or anybody missed it, check out Flush To Judgment - Dr. Andrew G. Bostom, if only for the title, which is a gem.

Posted by: joeblough at July 30, 2007 2:57 AM

jcom972

:-)

Posted by: joeblough at July 30, 2007 2:58 AM

Seems to me that all above said against Islam, is real close to a total waste of time - why do I not see a clear call to simply broadcast the plain truth about all the Muslim religions? There remains in all of you a vestige of RELIGIOUS CORRECTNESS ! Why not simply and authoritatively state that all those religions that take their authority from the Koran are amoral and illogical, and they clearly advocate Crimes Against Humanity [you know, like murder!]. Why is it so hard to just deal with the simple truth? Listen while I say it once again, because it must be said, at base, exactly this way: There is such a thing as an anti-human, deeply flawed to the point of causing mass-psychopathology, mainstream religion - it is this religion that is anti-human and advocating crimes against humanity, and produces mass-psychopathology! Until you all nail it down just like that, we are wasting our energy and time. The Koran, and all those religions who take their authority from it needs to be exposed! Otherwise, practice sticking your butts up in air to save your heads! Anyone disagree? I thought not! So, when is someone besides me going to say it?

Posted by: tom at July 30, 2007 3:14 AM

Gramfan - I wouldn't be surprised if all sorts of unexpected allies from the left got on board in this case! And if the ACLU doesn't step up to the mat here, I predict it will be the death of them ( a death long overdue actually).

Posted by: Caroline

I am taking your word for it. I am sure you know more about what's going on there than I do and I hope you are right ;)

Posted by: Gramfan at July 30, 2007 3:28 AM

A snave, snarky parody is up at www.ICallBS.net

This IS going to get bigger, quickly! And Oldermann wants America to know what's happening here!

Posted by: Karridine at July 30, 2007 3:28 AM

I hope he gets away with it [ no jail /probation ] and when he does we should have a mass public flushing of the koran in as many public restrooms as possible ! sure its probably not right but it would be damn funny once it hits the news that thousands of korans have been found "flushed "all across the us by some very pissed off americans !!!!!

Posted by: psycopatt1 at July 30, 2007 3:29 AM

D.T.

I think you know a lot more law than many of us. Your experience of the law has been too terrible to contemplate.

Posted by: Gramfan at July 30, 2007 3:32 AM

"...thousands of korans have been found flushed all across the us by some very pissed off Americans !!"

...and thousands of pissed ON korans!

Posted by: Karridine at July 30, 2007 3:35 AM

Seems E.U has more guts than the U.S.A now! odd,isn't it?
EU has limits in respecting Muslim traditions, says Frattini
http://euobserver.com/22/22591
The vice-president of the European Commission Franco Frattini has said Europe can only respect Muslim traditions if they do not contradict the bloc's own basic values, such as freedom of speech or equality between men and women.

"We are not governed by sharia, after all," he said in an interview with the Italian daily La Repubblica published on Monday (9 October).

Posted by: dubliner at July 30, 2007 7:06 AM

Londonistan: The Khilafah is Coming

http://sheikyermami.com/2007/07/30/londonistan-the-khilafah-is-coming/

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at July 30, 2007 7:39 AM

and yet submerging the Christian messiah in urine, when splattering the Virgin Mary with animal feces, and desecrating American flags are perfectly acceptable forms of free speech.
UNREAL!!
If any legal action is taken against this guy then they better start arresting anyone who has ever desecrated any christian or jewish religious symbols, and man that list is long.

Posted by: kelisw at July 30, 2007 7:39 AM

A flush heard around the world:

http://sheikyermami.com/2007/07/29/%e2%80%9cthe-flush-heard-round-the-world%e2%80%9d/

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at July 30, 2007 7:41 AM

If the koran was a library book and infidel Shmulevich has circulation rights, then Shmulevich is free to destroy the book and pay damages for failure to return it just like any other student. There is no crime in destroying the book unless there is a reasonable basis to believe destruction of the book was intended by Shmulevich to put moslems in fear of being attacked per se. There is no felony or misdemeanor here.

Shmulevich is free to hate the book or its author for any reason. The fact that Shmulevich has a good reason to hate the koran. It is an incomprehensible hate chant calling for Shmulevich's murder. It is no more a crime for Shmulevich to destroy a copy of the koran than it would be for Shmulevich to destroy a copy of Mein Kampf.

The prosecutor here is a disgrace. We need to find the name of the prosecutor, and be sure this is not an infidel hunt prosecuted by a attorney behaving like Nifong.

Free comrade Shmulevich, a victim of cruel liberal, sharia and Islamic repression.

Posted by: David England at July 30, 2007 7:46 AM

Thanks Sheik for the link. I sent the following mail to the Alexandra Palace Management

Sirs,

Even George Bush knows that the Caliphate is the establishment of a worldwide Islamic government.

Did you not google the term 'Hizb ut Tahrir' before allowing this group , an organisation that doesn't hide its hatred of non-muslim world, to hold a conference on your premises?

Yours faithfully

They can be contacted here

http://www.alexandrapalace.com/contact.html

Posted by: Sebastien at July 30, 2007 9:03 AM

Tom.. The Koran, and all those religions who take their authority from it needs to be exposed!

And just what religions are 'all those' outside Islam, that take their authority from the Quran???

Perhaps if you were a little, clearer...

Posted by: duh_swami at July 30, 2007 11:45 AM

The time has come for Americans to go after "hate crime" laws and have them expounged from the books. "Hate crimes" laws protect enemies of liberty and not the people themselves.

"Hate crimes" laws must go. We must fight to make them go. Amd they will.

Basically, Americans sat on their asses and let a handful of leftist politicans,greedy trial lawyers and "people of color" wreck their criminal justice system under the guise of 'hate crimes' legislation.

But it need not stay like this!

Laws can be repealed. And that includes hate crime legislation. One blessing of democracy is that mistakes can be corrected and reversed.

And Americans made a monster of a mistake by permitting these hate crime laws to take effect!!

Everybody here why not call your legislators and tell them why "hate crime" laws are so vastly counter-productive to a free society and play into the hands of enemies of democracy and liberty (Islam and Communism) as can clearly be seen with this most recent 'hate crimes' arrest at Pace University.

Posted by: pythagoras at July 30, 2007 2:58 PM

The time has come for Americans to go after "hate crime" laws and have them expounged from the books. "Hate crimes" laws protect enemies of liberty and not the people themselves.

"Hate crimes" laws must go. We must fight to make them go. And they will.

Basically, Americans sat on their asses and let a handful of leftist politicans,greedy trial lawyers and "people of color" wreck their criminal justice system under the guise of 'hate crimes' legislation.

But it need not stay like this!

Laws can be repealed. And that includes hate crime legislation. One blessing of democracy is that mistakes can be corrected and reversed.

And Americans made a monster of a mistake by permitting these hate crime laws to take effect!!

Everybody here why not call your legislators and tell them why "hate crime" laws are so vastly counter-productive to a free society and play into the hands of enemies of democracy and liberty (Islam and Communism) as can clearly be seen with this most recent 'hate crimes' arrest at Pace University.

Posted by: pythagoras at July 30, 2007 2:58 PM

if i filled a jar with porcine urine and put a copy of the koran in it, could i sell it on e-bay?

Posted by: no-ilsam-in-ark at July 30, 2007 5:22 PM

If a million of American's burn the Koran at same time of day.....would we be arrested? And we overload the prison system. Free room and board and free food....lol.

Posted by: Cher at July 31, 2007 11:10 AM