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Note the personal smears, the attempt to bully and intimidate, and the non-specificity of the charges against me (they can't be specific, because I don't say anything inaccurate about them -- or about Islam or jihad).
Note also the irony: this letter comes a day after CAIR's Ibrahim Hooper slandered me on national television by ascribing to me hateful words written by someone else -- which appeared on this site for about an hour, during which, lo and behold, someone at CAIR was watching.
I was speaking to Jason Mattera, a YAF official, who told me that I was scheduled to speak as planned: "CAIR can go to Hell and they can take their 72 virgins with them.”
My own reply to CAIR: remember McAuliffe at Bastogne.
Posted by Robert at August 1, 2007 3:15 PM
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It's amazing that they're using their lawyers to stifle free speech. In fact, the lawyers are breaking the first amendment by writing.
I wonder if YAF have got grounds to sue CAIRs lawyers over such a letter?
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at August 1, 2007 3:26 PM
Robert,
Make sure to bring up the fact that one unmoderated comment calling for genocide was posted on your site for a short time until it was deleted, but yet miraculously Hooper was using it as an attempt to slander you by attributing the comment to you the very same night on CNN.
It should make for a great opening story and really set the tone for what CAIR really is.
Posted by: awake at August 1, 2007 3:27 PM
CAIR pfft,why in the world does this pro-terrorist group still exist in the USA?
oh no you're going to expose radical Islam for what it is,better start shaking the legal sabres.
was speaking to a YAF official who told me that I was scheduled to speak as planned: "CAIR can go to Hell and they can take their 72 virgins with them.”
at August 1, 2007 3:28 PM
CAIR's bullying tactics and threats disgust me!
This is real intimidation.
I wonder if this constitutes slander or libel? They are trying to prevent Robert Spencer from doing his job and earning a living.
Posted by: Josephine at August 1, 2007 3:29 PM
Wow! What a bunch of Idiot's I think they are fighting for there existance.
Robert is backed with facts - CAIR Nothing but Slander and lies...
Posted by: Weatherob at August 1, 2007 3:31 PM
Robert, they've called you a purveyor of bigotry and hate, and they've accused you of having a history of false and defamatory statements, both of which are lies. Ever consider a legal first strike?
They've done to you exactly what they're accusing you of. The big difference is that you're not a liar nor an unindicted co-conspirator in anything.
Posted by: Pablo at August 1, 2007 3:34 PM
Oh !
CAIR backed a "fatwah".
That's alright then!
No problem.
Nothing happening here, move on...
at August 1, 2007 3:35 PM
I am so glad YAF's attitude is 'Bring it on' lets hope they dont backtrack.
Posted by: Realist at August 1, 2007 3:36 PM
I'm proud to work for the man who drives CAIR nuts (speaking of Bastogne...).
Posted by: MarisolJW at August 1, 2007 3:41 PM
This weblink shows the legal firm that defended the DAVID Project, Steven Emerson, etc., against Islamic Society of Boston:
http://www.davidproject.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=234&Itemid=102
Perhaps the law firm of "Jeffrey Robbins, Mintz Levin Cohn Ferris Glovsky and Popeo, P.C." could be persuaded to deal with other Islamist law suit issues and the YAF could have them give CAIR a call about the threatening letter by CAIR.
Posted by: jeffreyimm at August 1, 2007 3:41 PM
What kind of attorney sides with these Islamic terrorist-supporters?
Are they muslim converts; ACLU leftists; or just money-hungry?
Whatever the case, they are on the side of the Islamization of the U.S..
Posted by: worldwatcher at August 1, 2007 3:44 PM
Robert, this is truly harassment in the worse form. If anything it is CAIR who is creating a hostle work enviroment for you to do your job and another way to intimidate.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at August 1, 2007 3:45 PM
More sCAIR tactics.
worldwatcher: A lot of lawyers will do anything and work with anyone for a price.
at August 1, 2007 3:47 PM
Greetings:
Here's the lawyer's website: http://www.sandlerreiff.com/
Feel free to contact them.
Posted by: 11B40 at August 1, 2007 3:50 PM
Fatwah!
Posted by: MP at August 1, 2007 3:50 PM
Just Amazing! CAIR is trying to stifle speech that HASN'T EVEN BEEN SAID YET!
Posted by: Triumphant_Paladin at August 1, 2007 3:51 PM
I'm not usually wearing a smile when I read reports on JW. It's a little hard to stop smiling right now.
Posted by: Sam at August 1, 2007 3:52 PM
I'm sure the unindicted co-conspirators in a terrorist case are not happy. They know that they may be indicted at some point in the future. Meanwhile, maybe the Flying Imams are singing to the FBI about the fraud they got themselves involved with via CAIR and are about to make a deal that will keep them from prison. (I"ll bet the Sky Marshals on that musical chairs flight took plenty of video.) Maybe CAIR and the Flying Imams can find a new line of work as the Singing Imams...
Posted by: Frank at August 1, 2007 3:52 PM
If Hooper is uninterested in the truth of his comments, let the word be known: taquiyya, the practice of communicating with incomplete honesty, to mislead.
If CAIR is seeding this site with defamatory content that can be quoted, let the word be known: desperation.
We're on to you, Mr. Hooper.
Posted by: StillBreathing at August 1, 2007 3:58 PM
You should respond with a lawsuit!
Posted by: witness at August 1, 2007 3:59 PM
Good luck with your talk tomorrow. Make sure to distribute photocopies of this letter to everyone (include CAIR operatives) as everyone enters. And praise the first amendment for the right to free speech and freedom of assembly.
Posted by: 3812Michelle at August 1, 2007 3:59 PM
Look for CAIR to post an inflammatory and hate filled 'genocidal' comment on this board, take a quick screen print of it before its deleted, and then use that print in a 'hate speech' lawsuit.
And CAIR - you should know that 'the discovery process can be a real bitch' if you have skeletons in your closet....
Good to see tha YAF isn't going to go Dhimmi for CAIR.
Posted by: CrazyFool at August 1, 2007 3:59 PM
Good luck with your talk tomorrow. Make sure to distribute photocopies of this letter to everyone (include CAIR operatives) as everyone enters. And praise the first amendment for the right to free speech and freedom of assembly.
Posted by: 3812Michelle at August 1, 2007 4:00 PM
So, are they going to respond to CAIR's threatening letter? Or do I have to wait and see until later today or tomorrow?
I guess I was wondering how can anyone respond to such a letter as that when the event hasn't even occurred yet and when the letter itself is defamatory?
Oh, did anyone hear the squeak made by them being against any fatwa that was issued? I guess my guinea pigs squeaked louder than they did and I missed it.
Posted by: R_not at August 1, 2007 4:00 PM
CAIR? How about SCAIRI from now on....Supreme Council American Islamic Relations Inc.
Thank God for this website, and the Truth it stands for...keep fighting this most important of Battles. These people, and the funding behind them, is enough to wake up even the most progressive of liberals.
What a telling letter to have posted, much less written and signed. They are indeed SCAIRI!!!!!
at August 1, 2007 4:01 PM
Good luck with your talk tomorrow. Make sure to distribute photocopies of this letter to everyone (include CAIR operatives) as everyone enters. And praise the first amendment for the right to free speech and freedom of assembly.
In fact, you should put this letter up and highlight every civil rights violation threated by this dhimmi flunky.
Posted by: 3812Michelle at August 1, 2007 4:01 PM
Robert, the second paragraph is clearly libel and defamation of character. Surely, this is actionable against both the attorneys and their clients. Please do it!!
Posted by: Infidel33 at August 1, 2007 4:01 PM
CAIR should be sued for defamation.
Posted by: Wimbledon Womble at August 1, 2007 4:02 PM
Robert,
They can't handle the heat so they want you out of the kitchen. Crybabies.
Don't sweat em.
And we're behind you for the long haul. Obviously they are not interested in the truth; rather, they just want to try to shove their wicked and evil agenda down our throats. The same was a lie 1400 years ago and remains so.
Tell it like it is.
(and that lawyer ought to be tried for treason and conspiring with the enemy! Civil liberties, huh? What about the civil liberties of the victims of 911?)
Don't get me started....
Posted by: angryeagle at August 1, 2007 4:02 PM
Wow.
Robert, you have gotten into their heads. These people are well afraid of you. Your message is powerful, and their only defense is to rant about unmoderated comments on JW, some of which are admittedly extreme, but not from JW itself, clearly against the overall spirit of the website, and in no wise worse than Muslim world propoganda.
Christians believe that "you shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free." The truth has oddly enough turned everyone at CAIR, and Ibrahim Hooper imparticular, into a robertspencerphobe.
And by their logic, into racists.
Posted by: Greek Fire at August 1, 2007 4:02 PM
Robert,
They can't handle the heat so they want you out of the kitchen. Crybabies.
Don't sweat em.
And we're behind you for the long haul. Obviously they are not interested in the truth; rather, they just want to try to shove their wicked and evil agenda down our throats. The same was a lie 1400 years ago and remains so.
Tell it like it is.
(and that lawyer ought to be tried for treason and conspiring with the enemy! Civil liberties, huh? What about the civil liberties of the victims of 911?)
Don't get me started....
Posted by: angryeagle at August 1, 2007 4:04 PM
CAIR? How about SCAIRI from now on....Supreme Council American Islamic Relations Inc.
Thank God for this website, and the Truth it stands for...keep fighting this most important of Battles. These people, and the funding behind them, is enough to wake up even the most progressive of liberals.
What a telling letter to have posted, much less written and signed. They are indeed SCAIRI!!!!!
at August 1, 2007 4:05 PM
CAIR? How about SCAIRI from now on....Supreme Council American Islamic Relations Inc.
Thank God for this website, and the Truth it stands for...keep fighting this most important of Battles. These people, and the funding behind them, is enough to wake up even the most progressive of liberals.
What a telling letter to have posted, much less written and signed. They are indeed SCAIRI!!!!!
at August 1, 2007 4:05 PM
I read this about CAIR defaming Mr. Spencer: http://sheikyermami.com/2007/08/01/cair-agit-prop-hooper-confirms-islam-is-an-ideology-not-a-race/
Take note of the little jpeg pic at the bottom of the article - the Capital Building distorted to look like a mosque (key word = distorted).
Posted by: R_not at August 1, 2007 4:05 PM
I like how CAIR "demand[s]" that YAF cancel your appearance, Mr. Spencer.
What a wonderful, freedom-loving bunch of people over at CAIR.
Posted by: Jonas Salk at August 1, 2007 4:06 PM
Please do tell us how things turn out at your talk tomorrow. Include video if possible.
Posted by: 3812Michelle at August 1, 2007 4:07 PM
About J. E. Sandler
http://www.sandlerreiff.com/bio_sandler.htm
Posted by: LoneRanger at August 1, 2007 4:08 PM
Also, Mr. Spencer, do you know if your event tomorrow will be taped? I think everyone at JihadWatch would love to watch it, if possible.
Posted by: Jonas Salk at August 1, 2007 4:10 PM
What was that quote again?.....
"We defend the 1st amendment everyday" - Ibrahim Hooper
at August 1, 2007 4:13 PM
CAIR is very interested in protecting freedom of speech...
Roosevelt University Settles in Adjunct Professor's Academic Freedom Complaint December 4, 2006Posted by: Wimbledon WombleRoosevelt University and the Roosevelt Adjunct Faculty Organization (RAFO) recently agreed to settle a dispute between them that was scheduled for arbitration. Douglas Giles, the adjunct professor at the center of the issue who was terminated earlier this year for teaching about Zionism in a World Religions course, cannot disclose details of the settlement but says he is very happy with it.
CAIR-Chicago considers the settlement a symbolic victory for Giles, RAFO and for academic freedom.
Giles was terminated after his department chair learned that the text book he was using to teach his World Religions class, one used widely by universities, had a section on Zionism in its chapter on Judaism. Although Zionism was not listed as a topic for discussion in Giles' syllabus, he did entertain questions and discussion by students in class about Zionism.
Giles states that the department chair later criticized him for allowing the discussion, claiming any discussion of Zionism opened Judaism up for criticism. The department chair also allegedly criticized Giles for allowing Muslim students to speak, and referred to Palestinians as "animals."
Upon learning of the incident, CAIR-Chicago began organizing on Giles' behalf. Attorney Rima Kapitan also represented Giles on matters related to his dispute with Roosevelt, working closely with union attorneys.
CAIR-Chicago will continue to advocate on behalf of students and professors whose academic freedom rights are compromised, and is reaching out to other organizations and individuals to help accomplish that goal.
at August 1, 2007 4:15 PM
Oh, this is rich!!! LoneRanger, above, gave the link for Mr. Sanders, CAIR's lawyer.
According to that site, it turns out this turncoat ALSO works for the DNC!!! That's Democratic National Committee!!! Yup, the nation's Democratic party! "From February 1993 until May 1998, Mr. Sandler served on the staff of the DNC as general counsel. He continues to serve in that position through his law firm."
Oh, my!
Somebody call Fox News!!!
Posted by: angryeagle at August 1, 2007 4:17 PM
Lawyers are replacing lab rats in many scientific experiments.
1.) There are more lawyers than there are rats.
2.) Lab staff do not get attached to lawyers.
3.) There are some things you just can not get a rat to do.
at August 1, 2007 4:20 PM
I propose bomarding these legal weasels with emails till their in boxes become jammed up. Nothing threatening, just telling them what Dhimmis they are for representing CAIR.
Posted by: ColonialMarine0431 at August 1, 2007 4:22 PM
Wonder how many menbers CAIR really has? Wonder where CAIR gets its funding? Wonder if Joseph Sandler is being paid by someone other than CAIR? Wonder how much scrutiny CAIR will be able to stand? Will they be sorry that they've opened this can o'worms?
Posted by: MP at August 1, 2007 4:28 PM
It's always either a Muslim convert or a leftist that's defending Islam. Any money-hungry lawyer that defends Islam or Islamists are usually in one of the two catagories as well.
This brings us back to the Leftist 5th column that is siding with the Islamic terrorists here in our own nation.
Exactly what do the leftists think they will gain by siding with the Islamists? Do they really forget what happens to leftists and atheists under Sharia Law?
Posted by: worldwatcher at August 1, 2007 4:28 PM
Congratulations Mr. Spencer. I salute your courage and your achievements and someday I hope to make a similar contribution to this effort. Until then, thank you for the huge difference you continue to make.
May your future be merry and CAIR-free.
Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at August 1, 2007 4:29 PM
If there were any lingering doubts about CAIR's agenda, I think this dispels it. This should make its way to all the public news outlets.
Posted by: macdaddy at August 1, 2007 4:30 PM
Sincerely Joseph Sandler. Wonderful. Another left-wing Jewish useful idiot working for the destruction of his own people. Just like Hooper. Can't they find a muslim lawyer? Or is the irony of using a Jewish lawyer irresistibly more delicious to the islamists?
Posted by: jihadwatcher at August 1, 2007 4:34 PM
What would DC Watson do?
Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at August 1, 2007 4:36 PM
Wow! They do hate you Robert! I guess their hate comes from the truth you said about muslims, no wonder, the truth is hard and painful to those who try to omit or hide them.
I wonder, when will CAIR stop harassing Robert?
ps: Robert, keep up the great work, I spend more time in your site than any other site!
at August 1, 2007 4:37 PM
I am glad you posted the letter for all to see. Reminds me of the defiance you nonDhimmis showed here:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=dfguzjUoCoI
Keep it up Robert.
Posted by: War On Hate at August 1, 2007 4:38 PM
When is this march on DC?
Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at August 1, 2007 4:38 PM
My first reaction? bwahaha!
I stand with Jason Mattera: Bring it on, islamo-nazis!
To Robert:
you go in there and make islamo-fascists sweat of embaressment.
To Cair:
How long do you want to go on pretending that you represent the Muslim population? They don't care jack about you.
Secondly, what are you so afraid of? Tell you what: you bring someone to defend Islam, and Robert will be there to do his part. Deal?
Stop sending flaming arrows from afar. Get off your high horse, and engage Islam-critics about the elements within Islamic-theology, as understood by all schools of jurisprudence, that fuels terrorrism.
Come on now, Hopper. You are a big guy. Put your money where your mouth is.
Posted by: Crusader at August 1, 2007 4:38 PM
It was at first going to be "Us surrender? Aw, nuts" or something like that but the officers convinced McAuliffe to just send the "Nuts" reply back.
Hell if you are in it deep you might as well have a sense of humor. A good laugh keeps the spirits up...
Then they had to explain it to the English challenged Germans what it meant which of course is .... "Go to Hell".
Get ready for a CAIR style attack! Field Marshall Hooper is having a fit (You know stick a Nazi uniform on him and he could play the part too) Keep your head down and keep the artillery mobile! Oh yea a little prayer for better weather would not hurt either...
Posted by: greatcometof1577 at August 1, 2007 4:41 PM
"Please let us know by the close of business today whether you intend to comply with these requests".
Wow, this line wouldn't go amiss in some Godfatheresque screen flick.
I suppose knowing a lot of kidnappers does have its uses in drafting out ransome notes.
This letter should be printed and circulated to all the members of Young America's Foundation.
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"The above comments do not in any way reflect views held by Mr Robert Spencer and he should not be held responsible for them in any way, shape or form. The implication of this poster (Hermit) that CAIR is somehow linked to an organisation akin to mafia and some other unspecified bunch of kidnappers is purely down to this poster's poor grasp of islam and is not indicative of the general purpose of this website".
***
at August 1, 2007 4:41 PM
I couldn't help noticing that one of the professed missions of CAIR is to enhance understanding of Muslims. I wonder if they realize just how successful they have been.
I also find them quite entertaining. I always get a hoot out of Hooper ! I wonder if he realizes just how ridiculous he seems.
Posted by: b w at August 1, 2007 4:42 PM
Excerpt from webpage on McAuliffe at Bastogne:
While we were still surrounded, on the morning of December 22, a German surrender party, consisting of two officers and two NCOs, and carrying a white flag, approached our perimeter in the area of our Glider Regiment, the 327th. The party was taken to a nearby platoon command post. While the enlisted men were detained the officers were blind folded and taken to the command post of the 327th where they presented their surrender ultimatum. The ultimatum in essence said the 101st's position was hopeless and that if we elected not to surrender a lot of bad things would happen.The message was brought in to the Division Headquarters by Major Alvin Jones, the S-3, and Colonel Harper, the Regimental Commander. They brought the message to me, the G-3 and Paul Danahy, the G-2. My first reaction was that this was a German ruse, designed to get our men out of their fox holes. But be that as it might, we agreed that we needed to take the message up the line. We took it first to the acting Chief of Staff of the Division, Lt. Col. Ned Moore. With him, we took the message to the acting Division Commander General Tony McAuliffe. Moore told General McAuliffe that we had a German surrender ultimatum. The General's first reaction was that the Germans wanted to surrender to us. Col. Moore quickly disabused him of that notion and explained that the German's demanded our surrender. When McAuliffe heard that he laughed and said: "Us surrender? Aw, nuts!" the date was December 22nd, 1944
To the U.S.A. Commander of the encircled town of Bastogne.
The fortune of war is changing. This time the U.S.A. forces in and near Bastogne have been encircled by strong German armored units. More German armored units have crossed the river Our near Ortheuville, have taken Marche and reached St. Hubert by passing through Hompre-Sibret-Tillet. Libramont is in German hands.There is only one possibility to save the encircled U.S.A. troops from total annihilation: that is the honorable surrender of the encircled town. In order to think it over a term of two hours will be granted beginning with the presentation of this note.If this proposal should be rejected one German Artillery Corps and six heavy A. A. Battalions are ready to annihilate the U.S.A. troops in and near Bastogne. The order for firing will be given immediately after this two hours' term.All the serious civilian losses caused by this artillery fire would not correspond with the well known American humanity.
The German Commander.But then McAuliffe realized that some sort of reply was in order. He pondered for a few minutes and then told the staff, "Well I don't know what to tell them." He then asked the staff what they thought, and I spoke up, saying, "That first remark of yours would be hard to beat." McAuliffe said, "What do you mean?" I answered, "Sir, you said 'Nuts'." All members of the staff enthusiastically agreed, and McAuliffe decided to send that one word, "Nuts!" back to the Germans. McAuliffe then wrote down: "To the German Commander, "Nuts!" The American Commander."
McAuliffe then asked Col. Harper to deliver the message to the Germans...
...At this time the Germans were acting in an arrogant and patronizing manner and Harper, who was starting to lose his temper, responded, "The reply is decidedly not affirmative." He then added that, "If you continue your foolish attack your losses will be tremendous."
Harper then put the German officers in a jeep and took them back to where the German enlisted men were detained. He then said to the German captain, "If you don't know what 'Nuts' means, in plain English it is the same as 'Go to Hell'.
In other words, Spencer's comment, "remember McAuliffe at Bastogne," is seconding the reply of Young America's Foundation: "CAIR can go to Hell..."
Posted by: traeh at August 1, 2007 4:43 PM
I couldn't help noticing that one of the professed missions of CAIR is to enhance understanding of Muslims. I wonder if they realize just how successful they have been.
I also find them quite entertaining. I always get a hoot out of Hooper ! I wonder if he realizes just how ridiculous he seems.
Posted by: b w at August 1, 2007 4:45 PM
The boys at CAIR are really sweating it! They are no longer satisfied to call those who expose their nefarious agenda islamophobes and bigots; they now launch preemtive strikes to silence them before they speak! Their tactics are desperate and pathetic. We all know that if Mr. Spencer actually "defamed" this notorious gang of islamist thugs, CAIR would file an immediate lawsuit and summon every news outlet in the country to a news conference to publicize it.
Mr. Spencer would have been added to CAIR's long list of frivilous lawsuits long ago if they could prove their false allegations. CAIR has done to Mr. Spencer exactly what they have accused him of doing to CAIR---they have defamed him. CAIR's deadliest enemy is TRUTH and that is all Mr. Spencer is guilty of purveying. America does not need or want dangerous islamist organizations like CAIR. They should all be deported to the home office in Saudi Arabia, and it should be illegal for the Wahabbis in Saudi Arabia to finance the spread of their malevolent creed in America.
Posted by: Susanp at August 1, 2007 4:46 PM
"Please let us know by the close of business today whether you intend to comply with these requests"
Mr Hooper insists on hearing bad news immediately.
Posted by: jihadwatcher at August 1, 2007 4:47 PM
Robert, Please becareful out there. The cairbears are getting hot and bothered.
Posted by: nyone at August 1, 2007 4:53 PM
What's a little defamation, slander and intimidation to those who would lie and murder for their ideology?
Are you surprised?
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at August 1, 2007 4:54 PM
About J. E. Sandler
http://www.sandlerreiff.com/bio_sandler.htm
Posted by: LoneRanger [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 1, 2007 4:08 PM
__________________
Wow, according to this guys bio - he seems to already have a long history of stifling free speech; i.e. so-called campaign finance laws which prohibit the American public, but not the media, from freely airing our opinions about candidates 30 days before an election.
Let's see.. Harvard, 1970s, NDC - Yup.. fits the fold for liberal (in the bad sense) whack-job.
Almost makes me agree with Shakespeare in regard lawyers at times.
Posted by: Monkeywho at August 1, 2007 4:55 PM
worldwatch, 'Exactly what do the leftists think they will gain by siding with the Islamists? Do they really forget what happens to leftists and atheists under Sharia Law?'
I think they are very ignorant, and some of it is a chosen ignorance. I always take a look at Lebanon and the muslims advanced in that country and they have their own looney left who are muslim apologists - even to this day - while the muslims are making that country into a sty of muslim radicalism. Look at Europe - it is a haven for the looney left and look at the advances that islam has made.
I suppose they might even feel good about themselves in helping the muslims. Keep in mind how the muslims use 'turnspeak', taqiyya, and claim victimhood. When a person choses ignorance and is confronted by a liar that is not only told in their koran to lie to advance islam, but is backed by centuries of training in the artform of lying it is probably hard to see the lie. The lawyer might know law, but very few of them have cracked open a koran. The koran probably would give them a headache - I know that it makes my mind want to do something else.
I find it ironic that so many news people at Fox news are lawyers - it figures that they are so ignorant of islam even though they are confronted with the news of what non-muslims face by the hands of muslims around this world. But, they don't put one and one together, nor do they crack open a koran. Or I haven't gotten the feeling that they have. Some seem to be 'getting it', but it is slowly. Too slowly for me!
And that is just Fox news - the other stations are just terrible when confronted with muslim violence around this world - they fall for what the muslims say all the time while the facts are in too many cases the opposite. It is easy for their reporters on the ground to not leave the motels and take the word of the muslims who are claiming victimhood. If they visited an Israeli hospital, and then a muslim hospital, they might get a clue. The Israelis do indeed take in muslims and repair them and send them on their way while the reverse is not true. If the left wing women aren't seeing a problem with how muslim women are treated - do we think they would get a clue about anything else??!!! This befuddles me the most! But, here again - many muslim women do not tell the truth either. They insist they are treated well and better than western women because of islam. (go check out the safe houses in Europe and get the real truth!)
Oh well, I can see what happens and I still want to slap stupid out of so many on the left. I work in a left wing looney bin - in the Bay Area - and their world view is based on the SF Chronicle and other left wing media outlets that don't have a clue and chose ignorance. They are more concerned with hating Bush than the threat of islam. They lost two elections and that is all they know.
Posted by: R_not at August 1, 2007 4:55 PM
"Please let us know by the close of business today whether you intend to comply with these requests"
This resembles the German surrender ultimatim sent to McAuliffe:
"If this [surrender] proposal should be rejected...the order for firing will be given immediately after...two hours..."
at August 1, 2007 4:56 PM
Hey CAIR and Sandler, Reiff and Young.
Have you ever heard of the 1st amendment? You know the one that protects the right to freedom of religion and freedom of expression? If not then I suggest that you take your Law firm and go back to law school.
How dare you attempt to muzzle freedom of speech and expression. What right have you to threaten YAF? This smacks of totalitarianism and has all the hall marks of a new sinister movement being formented by unelected, public organisations who want to see freedoms go to hell.
We, the people are not impressed with CAIR or your so called law firm.
Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at August 1, 2007 4:57 PM
Hey CAIR and Sandler, Reiff and Young.
Have you ever heard of the 1st amendment? You know the one that protects the right to freedom of religion and freedom of expression? If not then I suggest that you take your Law firm and go back to law school.
How dare you attempt to muzzle freedom of speech and expression. What right have you to threaten YAF? This smacks of totalitarianism and has all the hall marks of a new sinister movement being formented by unelected, public organisations who want to see freedoms go to hell.
We, the people are not impressed with CAIR or your so called law firm.
Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at August 1, 2007 4:58 PM
"In 2005 alone, CAIR backed a fatwa against terrorism;" --from the letter posted
And the non-Moslem public should find this reassuring? Is the fatwa intended to be a certification of approval of existing "infidel" law?
The laws against terrorism already exist. The very thought that the validity of these laws are being reviewed post facto by Moslems is an affront. No fatwas are needed. Just obey the law of the land.
Posted by: Chatillon at August 1, 2007 4:59 PM
Robert, you're too polite!
Posted by: eve_anne_gelical at August 1, 2007 5:04 PM
It looks like CAIR is getting a bit desperate.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at August 1, 2007 5:05 PM
What was that quote again?.....
"We defend the 1st amendment everyday" - Ibrahim Hooper
" We defend Islam against the 1st amendment everyday"- here, fixed it for you.
Those recycled petro-dollars go a long way, don't they?
Blackmail, intimidation, assassination, carbombs, hijack, the RoP makes sure we submit or pay the jiziyah...
http://sheikyermami.com/2006/12/19/my-allah-is-better/
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at August 1, 2007 5:10 PM
Robert Spencer should immediately sue CAIR for slander and libel. CAIR will have to pay money or will have to prove that what CAIR said about Spencer was true. Spencer may be able to use his lawsuit against CAIR for discovery about CAIR. CAIR will not be able to wiggle out unless Spencer drops his suit. I suggest Mr. Spencer seek punitive damages against CAIR of no less than $500,000,000 dollars. CAIR has consistently libeled Mr. Spencer constantly ascribing to him statements he did not make or denying statements Mr. Spencer has made that are clearly true. Email me if anyone would like particulars of how I see this can be done.
Posted by: David England at August 1, 2007 5:12 PM
Wow! What a bunch of Idiot's I think they are fighting for there existance.
Robert is backed with facts - CAIR Nothing but Slander and lies...
Posted by: Weatherob
Actually, CAIR is backed with money from overseas (along with the slander and falsehoods)....
Posted by: g hadi hater at August 1, 2007 5:15 PM
It would not suprise me if it ends up that Robert will have to take out a lawsuit against CAIR
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at August 1, 2007 5:16 PM
I think the only one who should be contacting this sandler dingleberry should be Robert's attorney. Far more effective than a bunch of e-mailed or faxed rants that dougie will no-doubt sift for anything he can use next on CNN. The object is to hold these people accountable, and preferably, to drain their bank accounts in the process.
Posted by: Infidel33 at August 1, 2007 5:17 PM
Opps, forgot to add the period at the end of the word "CAIR".
Me bad.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at August 1, 2007 5:18 PM
CAIR can go to Hell and they can take their 72 virgins with them.
CAIR can go to Hell and they can take their 72 virgins with them.
CAIR can go to Hell and they can take their 72 virgins with them.
CAIR can go to Hell and they can take their 72 virgins with them.
CAIR can go to Hell and they can take their 72 virgins with them.
CAIR can go to Hell and they can take their 72 virgins with them.
CAIR can go to Hell and they can take their 72 virgins with them.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at August 1, 2007 5:19 PM
I hope YAF obliges Mr. Sandler by replying to his letter by the close of the business day, Wednesday, August 1, 2007.
Mr. Sandler,
This is not Saudi Arabia. Sharia law is not the law of the land in the United States of America. We live by a far higher law in our country. It is called the Constitution of the United States. It does not allow for the State murder, or even intimidating, of persons expressing views offensive to religious or political groups. We might not like what others say, but our laws protect their right to say it, and gives us no leave to stop them. It is a principle that your client, CAIR, might do well to familiarize themselves with, since it is a guiding principle of our Republic.
We have never known our speaker, Mr. Spencer, to be a purveyor of hate against Muslims or anyone else, nor are we aware of any history of false and inflamatory statements by Mr. Spencer. We know him only as a man of integrity and scholarship, an educator who seeks to educate others about Islam, its Prophet and his teachings.
We are also aware that, in Islam, anyone who expresses a thought that does not endorse the Muslim view that Mohammad was the perfect man, and that Islamic teachings are the perfect guide to a perfect world, will be labled inflamatory and hateful, and in some Islamic societies, would be executed for their views. Since Mr. Spencer is not an Imam, but an educator and scholar, it is highly unlikely that he will endorse the Muslim view of Mohammad or Islam and its teachings. For that reason, we fully expect that your client will once again label him a bigot. It is fortunate that Mr. Spencer is speaking in a country where a letter from you is the only price he'll have to pay for offending your client, CAIR -- out of reach of the axe or bullet, which would be considered the more reasonal and oppropriate response for telling the truth in an Islamic society.
In closing, I suggest that you would best serve your client, and perhaps yourself, by rereading the first amendment of the constitution. You might also suggest to your client that if he feels uncomfortable living in a society where free speech trumps his sacred text, he might want to consider moving to a place more hospitable to his views.
In short, like it or lump it.
Posted by: rational
at August 1, 2007 5:20 PM
Hooper is an ass clown. And as for the lawyer's letter? Pfft! Ramsey Clark has already set the bar so low for defending terrorist despots aka Saddam Hussein, the schmoes threatening the YAF are pikers by comparison.
Posted by: Schratboy at August 1, 2007 5:20 PM
"The object is to hold these people accountable, and preferably, to drain their bank accounts in the process."
Not easily done with all the petro dollars from Saudi Arabia etc. behind them.
Posted by: alexon at August 1, 2007 5:23 PM
By the way, it's difficult to fathom that this sandler, who claims a Harvard JD, could do something so spectacularly stupid as to send this letter to Robert's host. What kind of graduate is Harvard Law producing? What was his class ranking? Perhaps a basic IQ test is in order?
Posted by: Infidel33 at August 1, 2007 5:25 PM
Good luck speaking tomorrow, Mr. Spencer, and know that your supporters and admirers are growing with each passing month. And to CAIR I would only say that with each passing month more and more Americans are finding out the truth about your organization and Islam as a whole. I close here by indicating my complete disgust for Islamic organizations like CAIR which use our own First Amendment in a twisted way to attempt to silence those who know the truth about Mohammed's creed. You will not succeed. We will be heard. Islam shall not prevail in the land of the free and the home of the brave.
Posted by: Wellington at August 1, 2007 5:27 PM
Legal Jihad is so 2006. Come on CAIR, get a new MO, because this one just brings you bad publicity and does not serve to intimidate your intended victims. They won't be victimized by you. Remember Andrew Whitehead? CAIR is just stupid.
Posted by: Wimbledon Womble at August 1, 2007 5:28 PM
Robert if you can't get that original complaint then get a real good copy,frame it and smile at it everyday.
It will be one of your best earned trophies as one day CAIR will no longer exist.(Unless they are allowed to hold meetings and bellyache from prison.)
It's also good to know that CAIR is paying attention to this site.
While i have thier attention i just wanted them to know that there are plenty FED UP.
I also want them to know that we know the truth and the facts,the whole truth and nothing but the truth,islam has been and IS on trial.
Also the people in this room tell everyone they meet the truth about Islam and it's messengers.Some have devoted thier own web sites to it and or just persoanl pages.I go as far as every e-mail i send out my signature is with the jihadwatch web address.
Intimidation and strong arming are not tactics from which to shy away from but tactics to press up against.
We will fight in every shape and form for this Nation to remain the beacon for all those who wish a safe haven from destitution and slavery.
The causers of destitution and slavery have no home here nor any invitation.
The l;ast thing to note is no matter how much of the farm our leaders wish to give away for thier pipedreams and pages in history it all boils down to US people of this nation who decides what goes and what is said in the history books.
Feeling the petting of the politician is a short term victory,the people haven't risen .....yet!
Posted by Dar Al-Harb and Dar Al-Harb alone!
There should be nothing to take out of context.
And i am sure you are knowledgable enough to understand.
With freedom comes responsibility,with responsibility comes a voice,freedom lovers ROAR!
Posted by: Dar al-harb at August 1, 2007 5:29 PM
Letter I sent to the emails of the two attorneys listed in the letter who represent C.A.I.R.:
Re: Your Client – C.A.I.R.
Letter dated: August 1, 2007 to YAF
Dear Mr. Reiff:
I do not speak for YAF nor do I speak for Mr. Robert Spencer. I wish I could make the YAF meeting, but I’m not a member and have never attended any of their events. I do applaud their offering Mr. Robert Spencer the opportunity to speak. Having read the Book of Hate, i.e. the Quran, I applaud Mr. Spencer’s efforts to speak out against Islamic Fascism and their apologists.
In that I can not attend and having read your correspondence dated August 1, 2007, I would like to add my response as an attorney, but more importantly as simply an American. This is solely my response:
Please tell your client to go to hell to join along side their pedophile false warmongering fascist prophet Mohammad (Damned to hell already).
I appreciate your forwarding said response from this American to your client.
Very truly yours,
XXXXXX X. XXXXX, Esq.
Attorney at Law
PS – Thank you for your time and consideration.
at August 1, 2007 5:32 PM
Infidel33:
Lawyers will do anything for money, no matter what caliber they are.
But wait...
Sandler is an anagram for slander!
Maybe Sandler, Reiff and Young, P.C. don't exist at all. Maybe they are a fictitious front for CAIR's own on-staff lawyers. CAIR has its own committed Islamist lawyers, ideological and fresh out of law school.
Posted by: Wimbledon Womble at August 1, 2007 5:33 PM
Kind of like Dewey, Cheatham and Howe.
Posted by: Wimbledon Womble at August 1, 2007 5:35 PM
"The object is to hold these people accountable, and preferably, to drain their bank accounts in the process."
Not easily done with all the petro dollars from Saudi Arabia etc. behind them.
True, axelon, but just as we are forced to finance jihad whenever we stop at the gas station, wouldn't it be nice if the saudis were forced to finance the counter-jihad every time hooper opens his mouth?
at August 1, 2007 5:39 PM
I'd say they are just asking to be sued. I stand by my previous suggestion: start by suing for a dollar and whup their a** without ceding the moral high ground. Up the ante by a factor of 100x each time they libel you like this. In the meantime have a decent lawyer like the fellow who took care of the Anti-CAIR suit who is prepared to take them to the cleaners and each time get a bigger disclosure from them. Vermin live under rocks because they hate the light.
In the meantime, Mr Sandler has solved the typical visiting speaker's problem: how to introduce the topic. Usually one comes up with a joke or anecdote, but I don't think you could top reading this letter out loud, pausing for dramatic effect, then reminding the CAIR plants in the audience to take careful notes on your talk for the upcoming court case. Their backers have more money than brains. In some jobs you get danger pay on top of your regular salary; I wonder if they get embarrassment pay.
at August 1, 2007 5:42 PM
Mr. Spencer,
Should you not be seeking legal counsel?
Although I'm not a lawyer, I believe this constitutes a form of a threat -- PRIOR to your speaking -- and is this not against the law??
I don't believe legal recourse can be resorted to so as to prevent a person from speaking -- that's what is used in totalitarian states! I would be truly shocked if the United States of America has sunk this law!
I am astounded by the brazen audacity and outright intimidation and the harassment of ordinary individuals conducted by this Witch Hunt Group (AKA CAIR). Something has to be done -- I believe legal means should be taken to shut down this menace to Civil Rights and Liberties in the United States.
All the best...
Posted by: J.S. at August 1, 2007 5:43 PM
Who wants to wager there will be hecklers?
Posted by: Dar al-harb at August 1, 2007 5:46 PM
Good luck with your speach Mr. Spencer. I trust and respect everything that you put on this site. Keep it up, people need to know the truth about this threat to our way of life. Mr. Spencer you are my hero.
Posted by: Isamisevil at August 1, 2007 5:46 PM
Defamation is the communication of a statement that makes a false claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may harm someone’s reputation.
If Mr. Spencer does not have a history of false and defamatory statements, then he has a case. Damages would be easy to prove, as he makes money selling knowledge and attempts to smear his knowledge would reduce his income.
A very influential organization is scared of you Robert Spencer. A good measure of a man’s character is the size of his enemies. Congratulations.
Posted by: pez at August 1, 2007 5:48 PM
I am pasting the text to the bio for Mr. Reiff who is one of the partners of the firm representing CAIR. Reiff was and remains the deputy general counsel to the Democratic Nation Committee (DNC)
NEIL P. REIFF
reiff@sandlerreiff.com
Telephone: (202) 479-1111
Facsimile: (202) 479-1115
50 E Street, SE
Suite 300
Washington, DC 20003
Neil P. Reiff is a member of the firm of Sandler, Reiff & Young, P.C., in Washington, D.C., concentrating in campaign finance and election law matters.
From June 1993 until May 1998, Mr. Reiff served as Deputy General Counsel of the Democratic National Committee, and he continues to serve in that role in the law firm. In this capacity, Mr. Reiff has been responsible for assisting in all legal matters affecting the national party. Mr. Reiff's primary field of expertise is federal and state campaign finance law. In that regard, Mr. Reiff advises and represents the Democratic National Convention Committee and numerous state Democratic Party committees, PACs, candidates and other political organizations before the Federal Election Commission and state election agencies.
Mr. Reiff has spoken on numerous panels on campaign finance law and has provided public testimony before the Federal Election Commission on numerous occasions. Mr. Reiff has also co-authored two amicus briefs pertaining to campaign and election law before the United States Supreme Court. In addition, Mr. Reiff was a member of the legal team representing plaintiffs in the landmark Supreme Court case McConnell v. FEC.
Mr. Reiff is the co-author of The Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of 2002: Law and Explanation, a book published by CCH in 2002. He has also co-authored several articles on campaign finance law, including "Is the Campaign Finance Legal Regime Ready for the Internet?" (Campaigns & Elections, 1999), "What's Next for Free Speech?" (Legal Times, 2003), and "The '527' Fuss Explained" (Campaigns & Elections, 2004).
Mr. Reiff, along with partner Joe Sandler, was cited in the December 2004 issue Washingtonian magazine as one of Washington's best lawyers. He will be joining the faculty of William and Mary Law School as an adjunct professor in the Fall of 2007 to teach a class on campaign finance law.
Prior to becoming Deputy General Counsel at the DNC, Mr. Reiff served the DNC as Deputy Compliance Director (1990-1991) and Compliance Director (1991-1993). In that capacity, Mr. Reiff was responsible for ensuring DNC compliance with federal and state election laws, as well as the filing of all disclosure reports by the DNC with federal and state election authorities.
Mr. Reiff graduated from the State University of New York at Binghamton in 1989, and from the National Law Center at George Washington University in 1992.
Posted by: Krebbs at August 1, 2007 5:56 PM
Good luck with the speech RS. Wish I could be there to hear it.
Just wondering if anyone has forwarded this to O'Reilly? Although it seems he has made a small left turn with his support for the MAS with the koran flush at pace, he has had some fun conversations with Hooper in the past.
Maybe he could get Robert and Hooper on together for a "fair and balanced" report?
Posted by: walterc at August 1, 2007 5:58 PM
Ummm, Robert:
You have them by the balls this time...they put their slander in writing...doesn't matter if they did it via legal caounsel, that's no different than if they pulled the trigger themselves.
Fire back...immediately, you can knock 'em on their fannies in 5 minutes.
Call them what they are, in no uncertain terms...
"they are liars of the worst and most disingenuous caliber", "using threats and intimidation via legal counsel", and remember, if they're telling the truth and we're lying, then it's real slander...then promptly state unequivocally,
"gentlemen, if you wish to sue me NOW, you know where I am at."
(voice of experience)
Put their own fraud and intimidation tactics on the defensive, and they will have to back up those words at their own expense, or back off since they know they've no grounds, and into the ashheap of history where their lies, fraud and deceit belong in the first place...
I'm sure now douggie the druggie hoopty is listening, since it's obvious this has been a fraudulent setup on hypocrite hooper's part from the word go.
Return fire...NOW.
Posted by: jcom972 at August 1, 2007 5:59 PM
My email to John. Too subtile ya think?
Dear Mr, Sandler.
I just wanted to drop a quick note to thank you for your threatening letter to the Young Americas Foundation. CAIR and particularly Ibrahim Hooper (and many Muslims everywhere in the world) are doing so much to help Americans understand Islam that one could actually argue that they are more effective than Robert Spencer himself. Please keep up your excellent work. I look forward to the day that all Americans understand the true nature of Islam. You're certainly doing your part.
Sincerely,
Posted by: Rick at August 1, 2007 5:59 PM
The DNC-CAir link is very interesting. Wonder how the DNC likes their legal beagles servicing CAir? The CAir-DNC lexis will look great in the 2008 elections.
Posted by: MP at August 1, 2007 6:03 PM
What Hooper revealed may have already been suspect, CAIR is here on this site posting and taking notes.
A Blogger in a Burka.
Has anyone ever seen this 'signed petition' of 'over 690,000 signatures' mentioned in this letter?
It would be interesting to see to fact check the authenticity of names, signatures, if they are U.S. citizens,and number of signers claimed.
The above letter is a very well written letter utilizing the recipients immagination to 'imply' legal action or wrong doing. The letter was written to scare or terrorize YAF. If legal action was justified, don't you think the attorney would have been suing Robert Spencer, issuing a restraining order, and shutting down Jihad Watch?
Notice that the writer of the letter states that
This letter is nothing less then legal terrorism. A blatant attempt to violate a persons Constitutional Rights.
Can CAIR produce their defination of 'principled position against terrorism and extremism'. This is nothing less then acting rightous, but yet mean nothing.
And if CAIR is a civil liberties group then why are they backing a 'Fatwa'? Wouldn't this inply that they were infact a religous group?
YAF and Robert, remember that you will have CAIR people in the audience.
at August 1, 2007 6:04 PM
CAIR are starting to show their hubris. These legal types must realize that there are extremely strong First Amendment guarantees in the U.S. and these threats almost never succeed (in fact they get dismissed).
Maybe they think they're in the United Kingdom? There the dhimmi laws are open to exploitation-- although there are signs that decent people are taking heed of what's happening and things might change for the better.
at August 1, 2007 6:05 PM
FYI ol' John Sandler apparently has received enough email. Mine was rejected.
Posted by: Rick at August 1, 2007 6:08 PM
"Take steps to insure that false and defamatory statements are disseminated. . ."
That's why they hired Robert to speak isn't it?
As they say on Perry Mason "The Truth, The Whole Truth and Nothing but the (plain and ugly) Truth".
I know when I want to know the truth about islam, no better source than Robert et.al.
Posted by: walterc at August 1, 2007 6:09 PM
A good pro bono lawyer helping Mr. Spencer file a suit for slander, defamation, etc. would be useful.
To give them back a spoonful of their own scam-scam water (formerly known as zam-zam water in the Mecca region).
When a liar calls for you to be quiet, the answer is to speak louder.
Keep up the good fight, Robert.
Posted by: profitsbeard at August 1, 2007 6:10 PM
Rick:
I REALLY like your letter.
That was smooth....
Very smooth....Great approach.
Posted by: FLLegal at August 1, 2007 6:14 PM
Hey CAIR the only one really advocating genocide is you and the Koran! You blame us for not wanting Islam in our midst. GET LOST!
Taken from Islam 101.
In contrast, take 9:5, commonly referred to as the "Verse of the Sword", revealed toward the end of Muhammad's life:
9:5. Then when the Sacred Months (the 1st, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islamic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikun {unbelievers} wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat {the Islamic ritual prayers}), and give Zakat {alms}, then leave their way free. Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
Having been revealed later in Muhammad?s life than 50:45, 109, and 2:256, the Verse of the Sword abrogates their peaceful injunctions in accordance with 2:106. Sura 8, revealed shortly before Sura 9, reveals a similar theme:
8:39. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then certainly, Allah is All-Seer of what they do.
8:67. It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war (and free them with ransom) until he had made a great slaughter (among his enemies) in the land. You desire the good of this world (i.e. the money of ransom for freeing the captives), but Allah desires (for you) the Hereafter. And Allah is All-Mighty, All-Wise.
9:29. Fight against those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
9:33. It is He {Allah} Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam), to make it superior over all religions even though the Mushrikun (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah) hate (it).
at August 1, 2007 6:15 PM
..Dershowitz might be contacted for a pro bono libel suit..
Posted by: Madduck at August 1, 2007 6:17 PM
From letter: or else take steps to ensure that false and defamitory statements are not deseminated at that session.
What steps might those be? A pre-approved, script by CIAR? Since no one but Robert actually knows his presentation, if Robert talks really fast, he can get out all those false and defamitory statements, before any 'steps' can be taken.
I am sure there will be muslim agents in the crowd recording. The police should check everyone at the door to see if they have any 'false and defamitory statement detectors' on them....
at August 1, 2007 6:20 PM
This letter to YAF is a blatant attempt to stifle free speech.
Looking onto the web site for CAIR's hired guns, one finds that principals at Sandler, Reiff & Young are long-standing Democratic party apparatchicks. People like the lawyers in this firm are precipitating their own downfall. That wouldn't bother me if they weren't intent on taking us with them.
Reminds me of Mr. Rubenstein who bought shares in Krupp in 1938 because they had a new product called Zyklon B that was going to be a gas.
at August 1, 2007 6:26 PM
Based on my earlier posting you can see that the Koran clearly advocates genocide, also based on the actions of Muslims world wide you can see that it is not uncommon for them to heed the Islamic call to genocide as advocated by the Koran. Ie: Darfur, Armenia, Bangladesh to name a few recent genocides Islam can hang its hat on. So one poster says we should genocide the genociders before they genocide us and they call Robert the hater. Go figure. I'm against genocide of any kind, but I do not see anything positive that can come from having a genocidal theology spread in America ... such as Islam. Pack that in your hucka and smoke it CAIR.
Posted by: ethoman at August 1, 2007 6:28 PM
Or, as their pilfered prophet Isa (Jesus) said:
"By their nuts, ye shall know them."
(Maybe Ibrahim H.'s middle name is Filbert?)
Posted by: profitsbeard at August 1, 2007 6:29 PM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=dfguzjUoCoI Keep it up Robert. Posted by: War On Hate
DITTO . . .add this video to the batch . . .
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=d9oX5Q2ftmA
Open Season - CAIR remix
at August 1, 2007 6:40 PM
Is there a Bar Association Code of Conduct? has this "lawyer" (the one operating on behalf of CAIR) crossed the boundaries of what's acceptable for lawyers to do? Isn't this lawyer straying into areas he should not be entering? It's threatening legal action PRIOR to an offense even having been committed! (again, it's reminiscent of a Police State.) I just do not believe this is ethical behavior on part of the lawyer. It gives all lawyers a very, very bad name. They use their legal degrees so as to silence people -- PRIOR to speaking?? Ridiculous.
Posted by: J.S. at August 1, 2007 6:40 PM
Here is the e-mail I sent to this law firm:
Dear Sirs,
I cannot express my regret over your legal representation of CAIR, the so-called Muslim Rights Group. This acronym actually stands for "Convert All Infidels Religiously". In addition, I am highly dismayed by the content of your letter to the Young America's Foundation with regard to the speaking engagement of Mr. Robert Spencer, wrongly accused of hatemongering and islamaphobia.
Because of your brilliant legal work, I am going to make a small, public donation to The Israeli Holocaust Survivors Fund in each of your names, and in your honor, for all the world to see.
Soon, you may find yourself face to face with Mr. Ibrahim Hooper, who may or may not be quite irate with you. If I were you, I would immediately begin reading the koran, which is actually a war manual. This may give you some idea of the insanity you will be facing with your continued relationship with CAIR, and give you the skills you will need to dissassociate yourselves with them.
Best of Luck and Warmest Regards
at August 1, 2007 6:41 PM
"For these reasons we demand that YAF cancel the subject session, or else take steps to ensure that false and defamatory statements are not disseminated at that session."
What gives CAIR the right to DEMAND someone cancel a speech? Can't Mr. Sandler and his clients be charged with racketeering?
Posted by: PMK at August 1, 2007 6:44 PM
Our petrodollars at work: hiring counsel to try and limit our freedom of expression.
What codswallop.
CAIR's active membership would fit in a phone booth. This organization is a barely disguised front for the Saudis and their (our) money.
A fatwa with 600g signatures, my butt.
The people are no longer fooled by you Ibrahim.
Posted by: dgene at August 1, 2007 6:46 PM
The folks at CAIR are afraid of Robert Spencer, Chris Hitchens, Dennis Prager. These brave men keep America informed about the jihad and islamofascists.
Posted by: callmeinfidel at August 1, 2007 6:47 PM
Mr. Spencer, your response is a gem, proving you're a gentleman with far greater reserve than anything I could muster in such circumstances. I stand with you 100%. What ever you need, just ask. Nothing raises my ire like a threat against my way of life.
Posted by: justamomof4
at August 1, 2007 6:47 PM
Give CAIR a piece of your mind...
mailto:info@cair.com
at August 1, 2007 6:48 PM
keep up the good wotk Mr. Spencer and hopefully no-one else backs down to their intimidation.
also i found this cool web site that shows recent global activity, i know there are good sites like religonofpeace.com but this one uses nice visuals that is updated every 300seconds.
http://www.globalincidentmap.com/home.php
agian congrads to Mr' Spencer on his quest for spreading knowledge.
Posted by: 19thgenamerican at August 1, 2007 6:52 PM
I guess CAIR will have to sue us all.
Posted by: champ at August 1, 2007 6:53 PM
Hearing the Truth drives them nuts because it is so foreign to their ears.
Posted by: champ at August 1, 2007 6:57 PM
Now that the YAF chapter has garnered publicity, they should just quote from the holy Moslem scriptures, and from venerated Moslem hitorians and Sharia jursists.
This'd fill up the time slot nicely, and stun any open-minded attendees (including reporters) who in their self-satisfied intellectual laziness had no inkling.
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at August 1, 2007 7:02 PM
Sandler, Reiff & Young, P.C.
What does the P.C. mean? "Politically correct"?
Posted by: Frank at August 1, 2007 7:03 PM
"Open Season", lyrics
Stuck MoJo
I speak peace when peace is spoken,
But I speak war when your hate is provoking,
The season is open 24-7-365,
Man up yo time to ride,
No need to hide behind slogans of deceit,
Claiming that you're a religion of peace,
We just don't believe you,
We can clearly see through,
The madness that you're feeding your people, Jihad the cry of your unholy war, Using the willing, the weak and poor, From birth drowning in propaganda, rhetoric and slander, All we can say is damn ya
My forefathers fought and died for this here
I'm stronger than your war of fear
Are we clear?
If you step in my hood
It's understood
It's open season
I don't need a faith that's blind, Where death and hate bring me peace of mind, With views that are stuck deep in the seventh century, So much sand in your eyes to blind to see, The venom that you leaders preach, Is the path to your own destruction, Your own demise, You might say that I don't understand but your disgust for me is what I realize, Surprise!
Your homicidal ways has got the whole world watching, Whole world scoping, So if you bring it to my home base, Best believe it, The season's open
I see you, Hell yeah I see you, Motherfcker naw, I don't wanna be you, If you come to my place, I'll drop more than just some bass, Yo you'll get a taste of a, Sick motherfucker from the Dirty, I ain't worrying not a fucking bit, I'm telescoping like Hubble, Yo you in trouble, Yo on the double, I'm wild with mine, Bring that style with mine, Fuck with my family I'll end your life, Just the way it is, Just the way it be, Do you understand? No matter if you're woman or man, or child, My profile is crazy, That shit you do doesn't amaze me, I'm ready to blaze thee
I don't give a damn what god you claim, I've seen the innocent that you've slain, On my streets you're just fair game, Like a pig walk to your slaughter, The heat here is so much hotter, And my views won't teeter totter or fluctuate, Step to me you just met your fate, And I'll annihilate, With the skill of a Shogun assassin, Slicing and dicing precise with a passion, In any shape form or fashion, Bring it to my home, Welcome to the danger zone, Cause your attitude's the reason, The triggers keep squeezing, The hunt is on and it's open season
It's Open Season
Posted by: justamomof4 at August 1, 2007 7:10 PM
Momof4 - You go, girl!
Posted by: MP at August 1, 2007 7:17 PM
My own reply to CAIR: remember McAuliffe at Bastogne.Somebody clue me in here. What is Robert referring to? Posted by: PRCalDude
at August 1, 2007 7:22 PM
Nevermind. Figured it out. "Nuts." Heh.
Posted by: PRCalDude at August 1, 2007 7:23 PM
"CAIR has consistently taken a principled position against terrorism and extremism"....from headline.
OH -- so they've sued the terrorists and extremists for their criminal activities? No! Their efforts would be better served focusing on the REAL enemy.
Posted by: champ at August 1, 2007 7:23 PM
“Please let us know by the close of business today, Wednesday, August 1, 2007. whether you intend to comply with these requests.”
You know, I bet Mr. Sandler makes a wee bit more than minimum wage. And I bet you someone (or some country) is paying for Mr. Sandler's time to handle this issue. Being the diabolical person that I am, rather than an immediate "Hell, no," I'd try to use as much of Mr. Sandler's oh-so-billable time as possible with questions, clarifications, requests for further information, requests for evidence, follow up phone calls requesting clarification of this or that piece of evidence, etc. I mean, after all, how can YAF be expected to make such a serious decision based solely on anonymous charges? Surely, if Mr. Sandler is making such a charge, he must have in his possession the evidence to back up such serious claims.
Just thinking about what CAIR's bill would be if YAF kept several people at Sandler et al occupied for the better part of a day puts a smile on my face.
Posted by: CJ at August 1, 2007 7:27 PM
Frank, I believe P.C. stands for "Professional Code." (Sometimes contractors use "B & P.C." meaning "business and professional code.") i believe this is what it stands for -- could be wrong.
Posted by: J.S. at August 1, 2007 7:28 PM
Who is paying the bills of Sandler, Reiff & Young, P.C.?
Same folks who are funding CAIR. Since CAIR's U.S. membership has dropped so radically of late, who do you think might be funding CAIR and Sandler?
Maybe some Saudi princes who funded the 9/11 hijackers? Or some other low-lifes?
Posted by: traeh at August 1, 2007 7:30 PM
Cair had a fatwa issued against terrorism and had 690,000 signatures from Muslim's? I would love to see that document produced and if there are more than 35 real people on it I'd be amazed.
Robert I'm glad they were told where to go, good luck tomorrow and let the truth be heard.
Posted by: The fanatic at August 1, 2007 7:31 PM
"From June 1993 until May 1998, Mr. Reiff served as Deputy General Counsel of the Democratic National Committee, and he continues to serve in that role in the law firm. In this capacity, Mr. Reiff has been responsible for assisting in all legal matters affecting the national party. Mr. Reiff's primary field of expertise is federal and state campaign finance law. In that regard, Mr. Reiff advises and represents the Democratic National Convention Committee and numerous state Democratic Party committees, PACs, candidates and other political organizations before the Federal Election Commission and state election agencies."
-- from an informative posting above
A two-man law firm, with one of its largest clients being CAIR and another the Democratic National Convention Committee. Something is not right. Never mind all the business about everyone is "entitled" to representation. It looks very bad. It smells bad. The Democratic National Committee should take its business elsewhere. If that meas that Rieff leaves Sandler and Rieff to keep that business, fine. Otherwise, those who take CAIR for a client should live with the consequences.
When you sup with the devil you must use a long spoon.
Posted by: Hugh at August 1, 2007 7:33 PM
Oh for Christ's sake. These gnats just won't quit.
Posted by: DCWatson at August 1, 2007 7:36 PM
Don't submit to Islam; defy it!
Posted by: MelM at August 1, 2007 7:40 PM
Arguably the best posts ever, taken in the aggregate, based on a post by Robert Spencer. Just delightful.
Posted by: Wellington at August 1, 2007 7:41 PM
Interesting defiance against Islamic Pakistan coming from the left for a change!
(Pakistan) US presidential candidate Obama willing to invade Pakistan in al-Qaeda hunt
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article2182955.ece
at August 1, 2007 7:47 PM
How can CAIR afford one of the top law firms in the country? Probably help from Middle East oil sheiks who like to dabble in terror.
Posted by: traeh at August 1, 2007 7:49 PM
Robert
Please sue.................Class Action.
Hummm I wonder.
at August 1, 2007 7:53 PM
O U T L A W islam !!! - globally
Posted by: TINBH at August 1, 2007 7:57 PM
As long as we're getting CAIR's eye, allow me:
CAIR, we know that your 'religion' (and I use the term loosely) is a wicked and evil lie. We see every day the fruits of what your [false] prophet teaches because adherents to your [cult] beliefs never cease their murderous rampages.
My question is, how much innocent blood will make your [false] god, allan, happy? I mean how many innocent people does he require you to murder every day so that he is appeased?
And why do you assume that a child molester's fantasies are the very words of God? Did mohammed, like, part the Red Sea or something to verify? Did he, maybe, rise from the dead or anything? Or are you just taking his word for it because he said it? (If that is the case, please contact me, I have some nice, er, beachfront property to sell you in northern Florida).
And you say the other scriptures are corrupted, yet you offer NO PROOF. NOT ONE SHRED.
Mr. Hooper, those are some pretty flimsy credentials on which to stake your eternal existence on, aren't they? But, hey, believe what you want to.
Just don't expect us here in the USA to buy into your charade. And don't try to intimidate us. We are big on patience, but bigger on protecting our freedoms. Don't tred on me, CAIR. Because you could find out that Americans tred back.
Posted by: angryeagle at August 1, 2007 7:58 PM
Clearly a horribly unprofessional and strange letter for a law firm to issue, especially given the context: Spencer has said nothing that Anti-CAIR has not said said (probably much less) and the law suit against Anti-CAIR was thrown out of court with prejudice. CAIR and their attorneys know that there are liabilities in suing Spencer or anybody else to harrass and inflict financial damage, so, it appears, they resort to threats and transparent intimidation. Is CAIR daring Spencer to sue? They have no membership but they do have enormous sums of money from undisclosed sources. Is the tactic to lure Spencer into legal action that they can afford but he cannot and then, if they are lucky, they can claim vindication by the successful defense against civil claims for defammation? Hence the vague but provocative language. And if Spencer does not sue they at least have an opportunity to threaten and initimidate. In any case this is, without question, legal-jihad.
Off topic: the BBC World Online is running as its top story some remarks of Obama that he would be willing to order a military strike on Pakistan without seeking the consent of the Pakistani government (and the connotation of the story is obviously negative). The story as yet is getting absolutely no play in the American press, but it is story #1 for BBC World online.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6926663.stm
Odd, don'
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