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I couldn't have said it better myself. In this case, the speaker is Jo Groebel, head of the German Digital Institute in Berlin, in Deutsche Welle (thanks to Jeffrey Imm):
The German government says the Taliban carefully monitors German debates on Afghanistan and instantly reacts to any statements. Shouldn't then some of the criticism aimed at the media be directed towards politicians who jump at every opportunity to express their views about the security situation in the country or troops?Politics is, much like the media, all about making things public. Thus there is a very strong alliance between politics and politicians on one hand and media on the other because, of course, politicians need the media to express themselves. Unlike what the German government says, it must be said that in comparison to politicians, the media has been reporting on the Taliban's activities in Afghanistan in a pretty modest manner.
But once again, I have to stress that if the terrorists manage to silence us and stifle expression, then they have already scored a major victory.
The principle is sound in a general way -- i.e., in the face of threats and intimidation from CAIR or other groups. But it is not sound insofar as revealing information would compromise the safety of our troops -- as in the New York Times incidents a few months ago.
Posted by Robert at August 3, 2007 8:45 PM
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This is why the alternative news media has to keep up the fight against the Mohammedans who want to silence it.
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at August 3, 2007 9:00 PM
Here in the US, the "alternative media" per se is firmly allied with the islamists but that's another story...
I know what ya mean, bcg, sad the rank-and-file media in Europe (and even the MSM here) cater to them, which bewilders any logical person.
at August 3, 2007 9:04 PM
Greetings:
They're even after Gwen Stefani (of No Doubt fame) in Muslim Malaysia.
http://www.newsday.com/entertainment/music/wire/sns-ap-people-gwen-stefani,0,1123844.story
Posted by: 11B40 at August 3, 2007 9:09 PM
"...
But once again, I have to stress that if the terrorists manage to silence us and stifle expression, then they have already scored a major victory. ..."
Try sending a letter to a US newspaper critical of Islam. It will not get published. The American press is either afraid of CAIR or in bed with them. We have already lost our First Amendment free speech rights in the print media and the TV media. The Saudi and Gulf-State financing of CAIR and buyout of control in major media is a masterful implementation of brainwashing not just of the media dolts but the American people.
Posted by: Jimmy Bones at August 4, 2007 2:22 AM
Yeah.. of COURSE they love what the German guvmint sez.. One of our highest officials proposed that we initiate talks with 'moderate talibans'.
so.. HELL YEAH.. the taliban LOVES to hear what is coming out of Dhimany!!
I do hjope they also monitor Jihadwatch.. because I am ONE German who'd rather DIE than talk to these fools for even a second!
They killed two German hostages and the way I see it.. we are at WAR with Afghanistan until their deaths are either properly avenged or otherwise amended for.
I consider myself at WAR with the Nation of Afghanistan until this issue has been resolved to satisfaction.
The German guvmint does NOT speak for me regarding this issue. They have proven themselves as ineffective traitors and cowards.
Therefore they do NOT speak for me and - I am certain - a large number of German Citizens.
We want nothing less than satisfactory resolution reagrding the cowardly murder of two of our - and if I may add.. ELDERKY - Citizens who were in Afghanistan to work and improve the general conditions for their population.
The cowardly abduction and subsequent murder of Private and Defenseless German citizens by afghani barbarians CANNOT be ignored and it shall NOT remain unanswered.
To the cowardly lady-boy taleban: You are hereby informed that I am ONE German Citizen who considers himself to be at WAR with you and yourentier Nation of Afghanistan until the issue of these chickenshit and cowardlymurders of two of my fellow countrymen has been resolved to satisfaction.
You may no longer be safe in the assumption that we have no will to fight back, you scumsucking swine.
Your cowardly actions have enraged the Nation - even if the MSM you monitor are loath to report this to you.
We will have no choice but to abopt your very own tactics from now on if that is what it takeed to restore Honor and Dignity to those of US whom you have so brutally and cowardly murdered.
My very own guvmint may opppose what I am saying right here and right now. But TRUST me on THIS: The German People are behind me!
We do NOT take the heinous murder of our elderly citizens lightly and we insist that Their Honor be fully restored.
This may NOT be the German MSM I am posting this to.. so ther eis hope that what I am saying will remain uncensored so you CAN READ it.. Because I think it's best if you realize that there are MILLIONS of Germans who are pretty dammn PISSED OFF about your murder of our elders who are in your country to work and to better your very living circumstances.
Let me remid you that there are more than a few Afghanis living in MY country and many of you receive generous government benefits at the German taxpayer's expense!
It is almost an understatement when I say to you that we are ENRAGED at your lack of gratitude both toward those who are in your country as private citizens [like the hostages you cowardly murdered] and toward the millions of us who rise and go to work each and every day.. work more than eight hours before we go home.. a good deal of our time working to support our guvmint the luxury of feeding and housing people JUST LIKE YOU in our very own LAND!!
I sincerely caution you.. do NOT GO TO FAR!
at August 4, 2007 2:53 AM
Question:
What are the major media corporations that the Saudis and/or other Islamists own (or have control of) in the U.S.?
I'd heard a while back that they owned a major chunk of Fox network now. Is this true?
Posted by: worldwatcher at August 4, 2007 3:08 AM
Willy nilly, we accuse our govrnment and press of dhimmitude and sucking up to islam. But who is it that has elected these governments in Britain (my country), Germany, France, Sweden etc. Who is it that buys these newspapers full of islamo propoganda? Yes, its people like you and me. So ultimately it is we, who are responsible for islamisation of our countries and murders of our soldiers and civilians in muslim countries. It is we, who are the coward ones by not voting with our feet to get these elected morons out.
If our press are allied to islam, if our governments are bowing at the demands of murderers and terrorists, then drastic steps need to be taken. Short of civil war or a military coup, nothing is going to change, in fact the way things are going, total islamification of Britain, France and Sweden is on the cards to happen within a decade.
My solution? Do not vote at all - be it minor ones to elect lowly local councillors or MPs at general elections. We in Britain suffer from party foot soldiers who knock on non-voters doors during the election when they find out who has not voted. To stop this nuisance, by all means go and vote, but then spoil the ballot paper by writing some frofanity on it. Do not take part in any governmental studies, policy issues or referendums. Ignore all politicians all the times and stop buying newspapers that support islam. Organise rallys and demonstartions at every opportunity to highten the awareness of islamisation.
Total boycott of all politicians and government institutions something akin to what Gandhi adovated Indians to do in order to make the British government's life difficult in India: "Civil disobidiance" seems to be the only non-violent way of challanging our politicians and media.
Finally, do not trust any politician or the BBC.
(These are my views only and the owners of this web site should not be held responsible for them).
at August 4, 2007 6:05 AM
"The principle is sound in a general way -- i.e., in the face of threats and intimidation from CAIR or other groups".-Robert
This is the tactic that Hitler expounds on in Mien kampf and his "table talk". He called it "spiritual terror". He said the way to destroy critics-opponents is to unleash "....a veritable barrage of lies and slanders against whatever adversary seems most dangerous, until the nerves of the attacked persons break down and, just to have peace again, they sacrifice the hated individual". CAIR is the hindquarters of this kind of tactic.
To say that Robert (or Himself) foment hate is nonsense. Recently I had a post deleted (it was a little harsh) and got a reprimanded for that from Robert. We have to stick to critical analysis. That's what CAIR fascists fear most. They can't take critical analysis and must destroy anyone who uses logic-fact-analysis on the matter of Islam and how its dogmas are a danger to unbelievers.
at August 4, 2007 8:45 AM
"I understood the infamous spiritual terror which this movement exerts, particularly on the bourgeoisie, which is neither morally nor mentally equal to such attacks; at a given sign it unleashes a veritable barrage of lies and slanders against whatever adversary seems most dangerous, until the nerves of the attacked persons break down and, just to have peace again, they sacrifice the hated individual".-Hitler, Mein Kamph
at August 4, 2007 8:48 AM
Allahfanculo, Peace, Brother. You are a soul mate of the righteous. Check out yesterday's JW.
There's a band called StuckMoJo. Set up with lyrics by momof4. It's absolutely riveting. Go to www.stuckmojo.us and watch the video "open season". I wish all like minded people could watch it. It tells exactly how I feel.
at August 4, 2007 9:05 AM
By the way they've already gone too far.
Posted by: imamerican at August 4, 2007 9:07 AM
Frank, how does what you said relate to the "barrage of lies and slanders" Hitler levied against the Jews?
Posted by: darcy at August 4, 2007 9:51 AM
"Frank, how does what you said relate to the "barrage of lies and slanders" Hitler levied against the Jews"? Posted by: darcy at August 4, 2007 9:51 AM
I don't quite understand your question, Darcy.
However, I'll try my best to give an answer.
Hitler recommended "spiritual terror" against all opponents of Nazism. Germans, Jews, whoever was an opponent, was to be slandered, lied about, as a means to break them, silence them. However, people with such a mind-set will eventually use physical violence as soon as they get control of the state.
With Jews, Slavs and Gypsies, etc., Hitler eventually took the "spiritual terror" to a level of genocide, enslavement, and murder. What began as "spiritual terror" eventually became a grotesque horror of genocide in the matter of the Jewish people.
The CAIR people engage in "spiritual terror" with their barge of slanders and lies unleashed against Robert and others. But make no mistake of it, if Ibby Hooper and his type ever get power, they will use physical violence on a mass scale. Right now, we only have to deal with their "spiritual terror" because they have no state power. Right now, they are crawl-between-toes liars and frauds, but if they ever get Sharia style state power, they will move from "spiritual violence" to physical violence.
at August 4, 2007 11:06 AM
"Frank, how does what you said relate to the "barrage of lies and slanders" Hitler levied against the Jews"? Posted by: darcy at August 4, 2007 9:51 AM
The short answer is "Yes". I elaborate above, Darcy.
Posted by: Frank at August 4, 2007 11:12 AM
"This is the tactic that Hitler expounds on in Mien kampf and his 'table talk'. He called it 'spiritual terror'. He said the way to destroy critics-opponents is to unleash '....a veritable barrage of lies and slanders against whatever adversary seems most dangerous, until the nerves of the attacked persons break down and, just to have peace again, they sacrifice the hated individual'. CAIR is the hindquarters of this kind of tactic."
Posted by: Frank
Frank -- I always appreciate your references. You certainly are well-read.
I've got a copy of Mein Kampf. It's "The first complete and unexpurgated edition published in the English language" from 1939 (published in the U.S.).
I bought it years ago from a second-hand book store in St. Augustine, Florida (while hubby took the kid to the alligator farm). I haven't read it yet because I hate Hitler so much. I think I will try, though, because it can be helpful to know how the enemy thinks.
Posted by: Josephine at August 4, 2007 11:26 AM
Shhhh! If we whisper the monster won't hear us!
Infantile response to a mortal threat.
Cringing invites pouncing.
Second Law of History.
Posted by: profitsbeard at August 4, 2007 11:27 AM
Hermit -- I personally disagree with not voting. We see that Islamists, when involved in democracy, will always vote for sharia or sharia-friendly governments.
If you don't vote, you give more power to the Islamist vote. And we don't want that.
In fact, we want the reverse of voter apathy: we want voter action. Imagine if all the people who could vote got up and voted. They would see that their votes make a difference, just the way that phone-calling and letter-writing campaigns make a difference.
Silence signifies consent.
Posted by: Josephine at August 4, 2007 11:33 AM
I've got a copy of Mein Kampf. It's "The first complete and unexpurgated edition published in the English language" from 1939 (published in the U.S.)..... bought it years ago from a second-hand book store in St. Augustine, Florida (while hubby took the kid to the alligator farm)...."
Posted by: Josephine at August 4, 2007 11:26 AM
Josephine-
If you read it you will find it's a "trip" to an "alligator farm" by someone with the heart of an alligator.
Posted by: Frank at August 4, 2007 11:39 AM
I've typed up parts of the American publisher's preface, because I think they are interesting in light of Islam in the world today.
Please note: I am *not* posting Hitler's rantings. I am posting the American publisher's commentary because I think it is instructive and some here might find it interesting. Keep in mind that it was written in 1939, before the truth of the Holocaust was fully known.
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This translation of Mein Kampf
copyrighted 1939, in the United States
by Stackpole Sons
Preface to the First Unexpurgated Edition in English
by Ludwig Lore
I doubt whether any book has been as frequently mentioned as Mein Kampf, or as widely quoted in this or any other country in the last five years. I cannot conceive of any book of which I more positively disapprove, but I consider it vitally important for every intelligent American to acquaint himself at first hand with the theories on which the National Socialist state is founded. It is important because the ideas of Hitler's Mein Kampf are the warp and woof of the education of Germany's youth, creating in them economic, political and historic concepts that will exercise a baleful influence on world happenings for at least a generation to come; because it seems to me that the publication of an unexpurgated translation of this significant book is an undertaking that will meet with the approval of all those who, because of their unfamiliarity with the German language, have never had a chance to read the original version which is still the acknowledged credo of Germany's Nazi regime.
[Mr. Lore quotes the German Ministry of Culture's glowing endorsement of the book.]
...These are not the words of a boot-licking sycophant. They express the reverent attitude of a large portion of the German public toward the words of their Fuehrer. That this fantastic book, with its atrocious style and its countless contradictions, could become the testament of the German nation, is in itself illustrative of the state of mind that made Hitlerism possible. Today a large part of Germany accepts Hitler's contention that human existence is controlled by the laws of an eternal conflict and struggle upward. Man must understand says Hitler, "that in a world in which planets revolve about the sun and moons about planets, in which force is master over weakness and either makes it an obedient servant or encompasses its destruction – that in such a world there cannot be special laws for the human race. It too must bow before the eternal verities of the final truth... In this eternal struggle humanity has grown to greatness – in eternal peace it will go down to destruction..."
[...]
Is it necessary to enlarge on this absurd grandiloquence for an American public? Undoubtedly, it is! Ten years ago one would have been mad to believe that the German people would accept such postulates as that "Parliamentarism is the instrument of that race whose innermost aims make it fear the sun, today and forever"; that "Marxism is the product and the instruments of Jews"; that Freemasonry is an "excellent instrument for the defense and realization of Jewish aims." Today we wonder. Who knows what America will believe tomorrow?
It is natural, I suppose, that one should think of Nazi anti-Semitism first when one discusses Hitler. It is also unfortunate. In its preoccupation with the tragic problem of the German Jew the world at large overlooked much of the significance of the Third Reich's more far-reaching activities. Hitler withdrew from the League of Nations; Hitler marched into the Rhineland; Hitler repudiated German disarmament; Hitler won the Saar and established a National Socialist government in Danzig; Hitler joined Mussolini in Spain and marched into Austria; Hitler forced Chamberlain to accept the treacherous Munich pact.
Each time the world found what comfort it could in the thought that this would be the last of Nazi aggressions. Yet a simple perusal of Mein Kampf should have shown it the truth. As long as Hitler rules Germany there can be no peace. "Peaceful competition among nations," he says, "has never existed. There is only the peaceful possibility of mutually acknowledged brigandage..." "Even as a boy I was never a pacifist," he assures his readers. The World War found him "overwhelmed with stormy enthusiasm. I sank to my knees and thanked heaven out of the fullness of my heart that it had granted me the good fortune to live at this time..."
[Hitler blames the Jews for Germany losing the First World War; publisher debunks this.]
... But to Hitler history is a poor thing if it cannot be twisted to suit his purposes.
[...]
...Perhaps the last chapter of Hitler's Mein Kampf is still to be written. The present version makes no mention of the Fuehrer's plans of conquest and penetration in the Western Hemisphere. If it did, we might read this book with a clearer conception of its ultimate significance.
Posted by: Josephine at August 4, 2007 12:49 PM
Europe desperately needs a strong leader that can unite Europeans and stop the massive tide of muslims raping and pillaging in their homeland. The only problem is that muslims seem to kill the few who stand up. Its very frustrating.
Posted by: Isamisevil at August 4, 2007 1:02 PM
Thanks, Frank. You are right about the spiritual terror followed by the physical. Oh, I have no doubt that Doug Hooper would kill us all if he could. In the name of "allah," of course.
Josephine - knowing how the enemy thinks is everything. Which is why knowing what the Koran says is so important in our fight against the Mohammedans.
Cicero went even further and said, "Know your enemy better than you know yourself."
Because Westerner's have been largely ignorant of Mohammed, Islam, and the Koran, people bought the "religion of peace" crap. The Mohammedans COUNTED on our ignorance. But, time has passed since 9/11 and WE ARE NO LONGER IGNORANT of the aforementioned. You know they hated it when we learned the words "taqiyya" and "kitman!" Those words explained so much to me, and eradicated all my confusion about the Muslims (word I used to use, now I use Mohammedans) 2 years ago or so, I guess.
See ya, Frank and Josephine.
Posted by: darcy at August 4, 2007 3:10 PM
Islamic "terrorists" not only will win a major victory by silencing us they will also succeed in paralyzing our defense mechanisms that way-- much like a fly caught in a spider's web. (Islam, it is worth noting here, bills itself to its hapless followers as "the predator of the forest").
At that point, the terrorists' plan would be to begin committing mass murders on a scale we only thought possible in the Indian subcontinent or Asia Minor over 800 years ago...
(I don't call 'em Killer-Zombies for nothing!).
**We are not to allow the silencing of anti-Islam voices to happen in the western democracies! Not ever.
Posted by: pythagoras at August 4, 2007 3:27 PM
Josephine-
Your comment is right on. Hitler is still around and Ibby Hooper and Co. are using his "spiritual terror" tactics against Robert and others. Mien Kampf is a big best seller in the Muslim world. Maybe folks should take note of that and read it. Hitler was a bad man, but his insights on propaganda and the methods of silencing/intimidating opponents-critics should be studied and taken seriously. I think Ibby Hooper has read Mien Kampf.
Posted by: Frank at August 4, 2007 6:12 PM
See ya, Darcy. You do have a soul that loves the truth, Darcy. I don't say anything I don't think-feel. However, I've been known to remain silent on some issues so I don't get myself in trouble.
Posted by: Frank at August 4, 2007 6:17 PM
Thank you, Frank.
It is striking that the publisher didn't bend over backwards to apologize for criticizing Hitler. He wasn't afraid of a Nazi backlash of bad publicity or lawsuits and he wasn't afraid of hurting Nazis' delicate feelings.
Posted by: Josephine at August 4, 2007 6:24 PM
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