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Not just fireworks, as CAIR's Ahmed Bedier had previously stated. And they were near a Navy Base.
Mohamed and Megahed Update. "2 Charged With Pipe Bombs Near Navy Base," by Bruce Smith for The Associated Press (thanks to Jeffrey Imm):
MONCKS CORNER, S.C. -- Two men found with several pipe bombs in their car near a Navy base were charged Monday with possession of an explosive device, authorities said.A joint state-federal investigation was under way to see whether there was any terrorism connection, said FBI spokeswoman Denise Taiste, but no link had been found. The Navy base is the site of a brig where enemy combatants have been held.
Of course, they may not find any connection. These guys could be freelance jihadists, like Taheri-azar.
Ahmed Abda Sherf Mohamed, 24, and Yousef Samir Megahed, 21, both students at the University of South Florida in Tampa, were driving through the area on Saturday to vacation at a North Carolina beach for Mohamed's birthday, their defense attorney said."They admitted to having what they said were fireworks. Based on the officer's judgment at hand, based on what he had seen, we judged it to be other than fireworks," Berkeley County Sheriff Wayne DeWitt said.
Mohamed, 24, said he made devices from items he bought at Wal-Mart, according to an affidavit with his arrest warrant.
Defense attorney Dennis Rhoad said the men have a reason for having the devices and it would become clear in later court hearings.
"The defendants deny the allegations the state and the sheriff have made against them," Rhoad said.
Prosecutor Scarlett Wilson asked for high bond, which was set at $500,000 for Mohamed and $300,000 for Megahed, because she said the men were dangerous and a risk to flee.
Mohamed is a native of Kuwait and Megahed is Egyptian, the sheriff said. Both are in the country legally.
Never fear, CAIR is on the case, working to protect us all:
The executive director of a civil rights organization for Muslims in Tampa criticized the arrest as racial profiling, an accusation South Carolina police denied. It's not clear if the item found in the vehicle is actually a bomb, said Ahmed Bedier of the Council on American-Islamic Relations."If it's clearly a pipe bomb that's a different story. Then there is cause for concern," said Bedier.
Megahed lives with his family and they voluntarily allowed the FBI to search their home in Tampa on Monday, Bedier said.
"They're so confident that they don't have anything in their home that they gave the keys to some agents. The father voluntarily allowed them to go search the home unsupervised," Bedier said.
The two men were stopped for speeding Saturday night on U.S. Highway 176 near Goose Creek, which is the site of the Naval Weapons Station and houses the U.S. Naval Consolidated Brig, a military prison where enemy combatants have been held.
They were heading west, away from Goose Creek, when they were pulled over about seven miles from the sprawling Navy facility, police said.
Officers became suspicious because the men quickly put away a laptop computer and couldn't immediately say what they were doing in the area or where they were going, DeWitt said.
A deputy then found what he thought were explosives in the 2000 Toyota Camry and called the bomb squad. Technicians confirmed the devices were pipe bombs and destroyed them, according to sworn statements in the arrest warrants....
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"Defense attorney Dennis Rhoad said the men have a reason for having the devices and it would become clear in later court hearings."
A science project perhaps. Or a pest control device. After all, there are no "innocent" pests.
"A deputy then found what he thought were explosives in the 2000 Toyota Camry and called the bomb squad. Technicians confirmed the devices were pipe bombs and destroyed them, according to sworn statements in the arrest warrants...."
Oh. Well, then. There is no proof that they had explosive devices - just the word of Islamophobic profilers.
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at August 7, 2007 7:27 AM
when is a pipe bomb not a pipe bomb? when two muslim students travelling through the country carry it in their trunk according to the CAIR.
Go straight to jail and deport for these monsters.
at August 7, 2007 7:57 AM
CAIR held a news conference yesterday and Ahmed Bedier made some interesting comments (link to youtube below). Right away he established the 2 students as "victims," by referring to them as such. Then he said he was troubled by the fact that there is "no specific evidence." It seems to me that this entire episode does in fact revolve around "specific evidence."
Bedier also observes that had they been 2 "good ol boys" from South Carolina driving around with fireworks in their car, this never would have become national news. To this I must say that the situation is only tenuously comparable. Anyone from out-of-state is going to receive greater scrutiny, especially someone with no ties to the area. Having a few leftover firecrackers in the car isn't the same has having pipe bombs or homemade explosives of any kind. It's just not the same.
Despite the fact that these two might be nothing more than a couple of naive gear-heads on a goofy road-trip, it sure looks bad. Let's see, two middle eastern males from USF, a school known to have terrorist supporters on its staff (Sami Al Arian et al)in the past, decide to make "homemade" fireworks, pack them in their car and make an overnight drive to the Charleston area. Sure, the evidence is circumstantial, but you have to start somewhere.
If you want to listen to Bedier's news conference, it's here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RY9MJu3MYFI
The Tampa Tribune has a lame article in this morning's paper. Surprisingly, the St. Pete Times has one of the better articles:
http://www.sptimes.com/2007/08/07/Hillsborough/Road_trip___pipe_bomb.shtml
One of the common threads here is the friends and relatives of the students who "simply do not believe" that these students are capable of any type of terrorist act. Where have we heard this before?
I hope this all gets resolved quickly and that the students are innocent and that there was no threat. We'll see.
Posted by: cumulusnine at August 7, 2007 8:06 AM
Egyptians are ethnic whites. What racial profiling? Can we get them to come out and say exactly what race these two belong to?
Betcha they would say 'islam.' IF you could get them to say anything.
Posted by: Gary at August 7, 2007 8:07 AM
A simple fact that our leaders just can't to grasp is that wherever Muslims live, even in an Infidel society, everyone must live by their rules. We saw it in Denmark with the cartoons, we saw it in the Netherlands with the murder of film maker Van Gough, we see it everywhere in the West.
Never mind freedom of speech, never mind freedom of the press, never mind freedom of expression, never mind any freedom. If it collides with Islamic law, it is not allowed, and Muslims must force their rules on everyone else.
This strange idea that Western leaders have that Muslims can be safely assimulated into Western cultures is bull. They should have all the evidence they need to tell them it won't work.
Muslim immigration into our country must be stopped now before it's to late.
Posted by: rational at August 7, 2007 8:20 AM
Perhaps they were "Islamic" fireworks.
If you blow up infidels, it's not murder - and you can celebrate afterwards.
at August 7, 2007 8:24 AM
So this was just a Dumb & Dumber road trip, jihadi-style. What was the other occurence that tipped off authorities...? Religious profiling? How so? Toyota facing Mecca?
Posted by: CapitalistGig at August 7, 2007 8:53 AM
I really want to see the Sheriff's dash camera footage of the traffic stop! Please oh please oh please!
Posted by: Bingo at August 7, 2007 9:04 AM
The fact that a cair stooge is defending this motley crew, tells me they are guilty. cair involvement should raise red flags all over the place, as it is not a credible organization.
Posted by: rgr50279 at August 7, 2007 9:13 AM
"The executive director of a civil rights organization for Muslims in Tampa criticized the arrest as racial profiling, an accusation South Carolina police denied".
Below is a quote from Hitler on what he learned in Vienna re "spiritual terror", how to break critics, silence critics and they are methods CAIR uses to a "t". CAIR is also adept at the "big lie". Mein Kamph is a best seller among Muslims (particularly in the Mideast). A lot of Hitler's tactics are employed by this "civil rights organization" and other Muslim groups. CAIR is a fascist group of liars, intimidators, "spiritual terrorists". CAIR is an enabler of physical terror. They should be sued.
"I understood the infamous spiritual terror which this movement exerts, particularly on the bourgeoisie, which is neither morally nor mentally equal to such attacks; at a given sign it unleashes a veritable barrage of lies and slanders against whatever adversary seems most dangerous, until the nerves of the attacked persons break down and, just to have peace again, they sacrifice the hated individual (Robert and others).
However, the fools obtain no peace.
The game begins again and is repeated over and over until fear of the mad dog results in suggestive (PC) paralysis.........Conversely, they praise every weakling on the opposing side (who appease them), sometimes cautiously, sometimes loudly, depending on the real or supposed quality of his intelligence".
at August 7, 2007 9:20 AM
I only made it 3 minutes into that you tube link, life is too short to listen to 18 minutes of lies.
Posted by: americanmadestrat at August 7, 2007 9:28 AM
We're seeing more and more of these "freelance" terrorists. When will our country (gov't, law enforcement, citizens etc) wake up to the fact that car carrying member of Hamas, al-qaida, etc is not needed - practitioners of Islam *hate* us - and want us dead. It is an ideology, a religion, a whole race of people against us. It is a profile - and we need to use it!
Deport them or lock - 'em up - We did that in WWII to the Japanese - and we didn't have them driving around the country with bombs in their trunks.
Posted by: Bess at August 7, 2007 9:29 AM
Profiling?? If I (a Caucasian female) were blasting through South Carolina in MY car, which also bears a Florida tag, I'd certainly get pulled over for speeding. They love to catch out-of-staters driving too fast, and I don't blame them. Our State Troopers enjoy the same sport.
If the officer who busted me for exceeding the speed limit also happened to spy some pipes with caps on each end, rolling around in my back seat, or in my trunk, which he/she would have every reason to compel me to open, you can be sure I'd go directly to jail.
When they found that my pipes were empty, I would still find myself in front of a judge, in the morning. I'd most likely find myself facing a "malicious mischief" charge, if nothing else.
Profiling! Nonsense! I'm all for profiling, if it might save non-Mohammedan lives. What we actually have in this country now, is still a brand of profiling, since unlikely suspects are usually the ones who are stopped and searched for any reason.
Posted by: Abscedere at August 7, 2007 9:29 AM
"They're so confident that they don't have anything in their home that they gave the keys to some agents. The father voluntarily allowed them to go search the home unsupervised," Bedier said.
Bedier, GET A F*ING CLUE. They NEVER let you "supervise" them searching your house. They don't take your keys. They break in, like they did with Stevens (R-AK).
Posted by: Miss_Anthrope at August 7, 2007 9:40 AM
Here's a copy of a letter I sent to Senator Feingold sometime last year during discussions about profiling and the TSA in airports:
Dear Senator Feingold,
I've been reading about potential legislation that may come from your Judiciary committee on restricting or outlawing security profiles based on race. That's fine, but this is not the problem. The problem is Islam. Islam is not a race, it's a belief system. It's more than a religion, it's a supremacist ideology which believes it must dominate all other political, religious, and legal systems. Its believers aren't a single race at all. Profiling based on racial attributes won't protect us from another terrorist attack. It’s the ideology driving these attacks.
I do think that we need to profile to get the most efficient use of our limited security resources. May I suggest using the facts rather than a politically correct filter to counter the terrorist threat?
Just as the FBI develops personality profiles of serial killers and pedophile abductors I would suggest that our nation get past this 'racial profiling' distraction and look at the numbers.
We need the FBI to do a profile of the most likely statistical suspects. The answer would be most likely traits:
a) Males, b) 18 to 40, c) born in a middle eastern country or the son of immigrants from a middle eastern country, d) Arabic or middle eastern name and a e) devout Muslim described as f) 'a good boy' by members of his previous community.
This profile would be backed up by the statistics, but I think it would be most important to do the analysis. Use the statistics to construct the profile. Use the actual facts to figure out how and where to apply our limited anti-terrorist efforts. Use the 90/10% approach and declare openly how we arrived at the profile.
These two fellows fit the profile, scoring at least 4/5 as do most of the freelancers and sudden jihadi syndrome sufferers. Let's be objective and use the statistics to construct a profile based on the real data. How could anyone argue with that effectively?
at August 7, 2007 9:42 AM
I wonder if the muslims are taking to just driving around with jihad tools to show each other how cool they are, like dumb kids driving around with weight and bongs.
Posted by: KAOSKTRL at August 7, 2007 9:43 AM
I think it is very clear to everyone exactly what was in that trunk; exactly what these "students" were up to; exactly how CAIR will respond to it; and judging from the lack of media coverage, exactly what "our government" plans on doing about it.
The only question that remains is what will WE do about it?
The exact answer to that question is of course, nothing.
Why? Because we CAN'T do anything about it.
What will happen?
I predict that these two will get off with a deportation; CAIR will establish another legal precident to successfully sue future John Doe's who report such activities; and the entire matter will be forgotten within three weeks.
Next year at this time, I predict that you will be hard pressed to find ANY law enforcement personnel who will have the guts to report ANY potential terrorist activity if the subjects appear to be muslim.
Here's hoping that I am proven wrong!
Posted by: witness at August 7, 2007 9:51 AM
Pipe bombs? Hmmmmmm Seemed to take the FBI a long time to say so. You'd think the FBI could easily tell the difference between fire crackers and pipe bombs.
I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't something more sinister in their trunk that warranted closing down a highway for 9 hours.
Course, we would NEVER hear about that if there is an effort to avoid even using the word TERRORISM.
Someone needs to smack these pc government idiots upside their heads. Can I be first in line? PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!!
Posted by: The Goobs at August 7, 2007 9:55 AM
I have a question for all the intelligent folks on this site:
Why would our present administration go to all the trouble to remind us of 911 and that we are at war with terrorism and then the SAME government bend over backwards to avoid publicity of attempts at terrorism? I don't get it.
Examples: Cell phones being bought by ME men, missing semi trucks, missing radioactive materials and missing chemicals, pipe bombs in trash cans at rail stations, men carrying bombs in the back of their cars, etc.
AND...
WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO THE U-HAUL sitting in the parking lot in Dallas????? The one Fox News reported and then we never heard ANYTHING more about.
Someone explain please.
Posted by: The Goobs at August 7, 2007 10:01 AM
Witness,
THEY can kiss my azz. As a patriot, I WILL report their skanky butts if I see them doing anything weird. If I'm thrown in prison, I'll be sure that it gets all over the media. We MUST stand up to stupid lawmakers and get the patriots of this country to defend their own. We certainly cannot ever expect protection from a government that is paid off by special interest groups.
Posted by: The Goobs at August 7, 2007 10:05 AM
Deport them or lock - 'em up - We did that in WWII to the Japanese - and we didn't have them driving around the country with bombs in their trunks.
Posted by: Bess
I have a better idea. Drop them off in the middle of a ME dessert with a camel and a beer.
Posted by: The Goobs at August 7, 2007 10:07 AM
"Mohamed is a native of Kuwait and Megahed is Egyptian, the sheriff said. Both are in the country legally".
Therein lies the problem. Where is it written that we must take in foreign "students"? Let these yoots get their education in the ummah and save them the long flight.
at August 7, 2007 10:11 AM
WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO THE U-HAUL sitting in the parking lot in Dallas????? The one Fox News reported and then we never heard ANYTHING more about.
Someone explain please.
Posted by: The Goobs
You must be reading my mind, the funny thing about that U-Haul truck, the next day is when they had that big refinery explosion(Nobody is reporting on that holyland trial right now, Whats goin' on with all of that?)Coincidence? hmm.. I can see all the big wigs @ fox hoping we don't put the 2 together. "Ahhh...maybe nobody saw that 1st story,they'll never figure it out". It makes you wonder if the bridge in Minnesota was scouted out by any islamo-freaks maybe to speed up the metal-fatigue process. Ya know what I'm sayin'. Make it look like structural failure. But we're too dumb to put 1&1 together.
Posted by: americanmadestrat at August 7, 2007 10:13 AM
americanmadestrat,
I know EXACTLY what your sayin.
Don't bother writing Fox either. They won't respond.
Posted by: The Goobs at August 7, 2007 10:22 AM
I would not write to Fox anyway, I don't have a story about Paris Hilton so they would ignore me anyway.
Posted by: americanmadestrat at August 7, 2007 10:24 AM
Witness,
THEY can kiss my azz. As a patriot, I WILL report their skanky butts if I see them doing anything weird.
If I'm thrown in prison, I'll be sure that it gets all over the media. We MUST stand up to stupid lawmakers and get the patriots of this country to defend their own. We certainly cannot ever expect protection from a government that is paid off by special interest groups.Posted by: The Goobs at August 7, 2007 10:05 AM
Goobs! Your great; I'm with you all the way on this one!
Posted by: witness at August 7, 2007 10:28 AM
So...when two men of middle eastern origin behave suspiciously and they're then found to be in possession of pipe bombs, it's just a case of nasty racial profiling?
Yeah, right. I don't carry pipe bombs in my car but if I did and was arrested for it, there would be no groups like CAIR pleading my case. I'd be a person doing something illegal and dangerous and possibly with ill intent, and no-one would even question that judgement.
Posted by: Infidelandlovingit at August 7, 2007 10:37 AM
The Goobs, foxnews is filled with lawyers and we have seen that lawyers don't look further than their faces and only know how to use their mouths - basically, a lot of lip service. What we see in the movies about lawyers are fairy tales. Lawyers don't have a clue about islam and don't want to know. They might know law - but even then there must be a reason why so many lawyers are now news reporters.
And news reporters - well, we have seen examples of their reporting. Remember the Lebanon/Israeli war? How many got out of their motels and maybe made their way to an Israeli hospital? They would have found people that were not only Jews, but muslims also vs a muslim hospital. What would happen to a Jew in a muslim hospital??!! Or now, after the war - how often do you hear about the daily bombings by muslims into Israel?
One reporter that I thought was good was Jayna Davis - she wrote, 'The Third Terrorist'. She actually got out and did some work. No news reporter dug further than what was in front of their nose and what the Clinton propaganda machine was willing to hand out for that catastrophe (the OKC bombing). I saw a special on Discovery, or National Geographic, or something like that - about another bomb being placed in the building, etc. But, NOTHING about the other people that others SAW besides McVeigh and McNichols after about a month or so - or where they were trained, etc.
Use Fox news, but don't think they are not controlled by the Saudis also. I wrote this several times before - during the French riots the Saudis who own Fox news stock, called Murdock and asked they not use the words 'muslim youth' anymore, but instead use 'disaffected youth'. And they complied. Now, Fox news has much more reporting on muslim and will sometimes question them harder than the others do, but even then I have seen some way too soft peddling - even from Bill O'Reilly. He won't go further and question their 'taqiyya/kithman' words. And believe me, I have written him way more than once on what he is letting pass. (I figure he is calling me those names at the end of the show because I get tired of his pandering to too many muslims when they need to be held accountable for the words they spew.) Bill doesn't look further than his nose either, except when it comes to children. for that I respect him and his crusade for children. (I figure he is picking his battles!)
Posted by: R_not at August 7, 2007 10:47 AM
Another engineering student...why do we educate our enemy?
Posted by: interestinconundrum at August 7, 2007 10:56 AM
This comment struck me as odd: "Defense attorney Dennis Rhoad said the men have a reason for having the devices and it would become clear in later court hearings."
This is almost like saying, "Well, we don't have any explanation for why these men were carrying pipe bombs, but we'll think up of one by the time this case gets to trial."
Muhammad (the original) had the same problem when his bandit followers pulled off their first successful raid (Nakhlah in 624 A.D.) -- killing one person, capturing two for ransom, and stealing a caravan of merchandise. They had violated the sacred month when all travelers were guaranteed sanctuary, so it took some time for Muhammad to rationalize the crime. He finally "received" a verse from Allah to the effect that "idolatry is worse than killing." (Surah 2:217) Perhaps Mr. Rhoad and company will receive a message that "racial profiling is worse than carrying pipe bombs." Can't wait for this one to play out.
Posted by: Chris at August 7, 2007 11:05 AM
Anyone with an out of state license plate caught speeding particularly in a small county is going to be stopped in the US. That will happen regardless of race, gender or religion.I've been stopped several times over the years for speeding but I have never had my car searched. Clearly these two men were behaving suspiciously.
I watched the CAIR news conference and as usual CAIR was short on facts and long on opinion.I also noticed that Beidier did not display his usual bravado given his rapid speech and body language. Also interesting that the men were charged with a crime despite CAIRs attempt to get out front of the story and spin it as two Muslims who were "victims" of a small town southern Sheriff.
Posted by: Roxane at August 7, 2007 11:19 AM
'racial profiling' worse than carrying pipe bombs
I think it already came out. I heard it this morning that they are accusing the police of racial profiling.
Personally, I thank those police men for their doing their jobs and being very observant! I hope they don't get intimidated by the likes of Political Correctness and CAIR.
Posted by: R_not at August 7, 2007 11:21 AM
"And news reporters - well, we have seen examples of their reporting. Remember the Lebanon/Israeli war? How many got out of their motels and maybe made their way to an Israeli hospital? They would have found people that were not only Jews, but muslims also vs a muslim hospital. What would happen to a Jew in a muslim hospital??!! Or now, after the war - how often do you hear about the daily bombings by muslims into Israel?"
Posted by: R_not
R_not,
I know of a good one who lost his job with CBS because he was not 'sympathetic enough towards Palestinians'.
Here's his website where you can get actual reporting on what is happening in Israel.
at August 7, 2007 11:36 AM
Another engineering student...why do we educate our enemy?
Posted by: interestinconundrum
Our universities are interested in bringing in money. They are much like corporations who want to make a big profit.
Universities make more money from foreign students than they make from US students. This is why you see so many foreigners at our universities and also in England, etc. They pay, get our education, then either stay and take jobs from American workers or go back to other countries to compete against American workers. Don't hold your breath waiting for Washington to do anything. All those politicians are scratching the backs of corporations AND universities that want to make big profits at the ordinary citizen's expense.
Washington politicians are NOT patriots they are globalists.
Posted by: The Goobs at August 7, 2007 11:40 AM
Frank, that is an excellent quote.
From the article:
Officers became suspicious because the men quickly put away a laptop computer and couldn't immediately say what they were doing in the area or where they were going, DeWitt said.
Gee, I wonder what investigators would find if they were allowed to inspect that laptop. I hope they get that chance, and I hope they take it.
Posted by: special_guest at August 7, 2007 12:08 PM
I don't see why we can't pass a law requiring each & every one of them recite an oath of allegience to the United States like all Public & Civil Servants.
This law would be retroactive to anyone naturalizing within the past 20-30 years & all LPRs not naturalized.
This law would also require all to surrend their foreign passports upon recitation of the oath, or prior. Their passports would be held until the person decides to recind their citizenship or deportation is required.
If anyone complains, the stock response can be:
"We didn't choose to be born in the US, but you CHOSE to immigrate here. This places you in a position requiring a display of higher dedication to your adopted country. If you don't agree to recite the oath, we'll take you into custody immediately & prep you for deportation. Please surrender your US Passport."
The oath would state that any arrest above the basic moving violation would be immediate grounds for loss of citizenship, passport, and deportation.
That could at least cover our bases with the foreign-born, and avoid this crap about 'racism' since even Canadian & EU residents would be subject to this law as well.
Posted by: Miss_Anthrope at August 7, 2007 12:29 PM
A little over sixty years ago, the United States was at war with Nazi Germany. Enemy agents, intent on performing acts of sabotage, were landed by submarine on Long Island. They were very quickly captured. Guess what happened to them?
Posted by: MP at August 7, 2007 12:32 PM
From the article:
Officers became suspicious because the men quickly put away a laptop computer and couldn't immediately say what they were doing in the area or where they were going, DeWitt said.
Gee, I wonder what investigators would find if they were allowed to inspect that laptop. I hope they get that chance, and I hope they take it.
Posted by: special_guest
Special Guest,
I can almost guaran-DAMN-tee ya they are inspecting that laptop...
Posted by: Miss_Anthrope at August 7, 2007 12:33 PM
"A little over sixty years ago, the United States was at war with Nazi Germany. Enemy agents, intent on performing acts of sabotage, were landed by submarine on Long Island. They were very quickly captured. Guess what happened to them?"
They were interned at a prison where they were served bratwurst and beer, given Mein Kampf to read, and allowed to Seig Heil Hitler daily?
Posted by: atheling at August 7, 2007 12:37 PM
A_Plague_on_Both_Houses posted:
"How could anyone argue with that effectively?"They don't need to argue with it -- it's an un-liberal suggestion so it can be dismissed out-of-hand without consideration.
Only Liberal ideas will be considered.
Posted by: Zeno at August 7, 2007 1:21 PM
“I've never heard violence preached; I've never heard anti-Semitism or anti-Americanism preached.”-CAIR's Ibby Hooper practicing Hitler's "Big lie" as learned in Mein Jihad.
Special_guest-
I have no doubt the CAIR liars are well acquainted with Hitler's "spiritual terror" tactics, his suggestions for silencing, intimidating critics, as well as Hitler's "big lie" theories. The favorite reading in much of the Muslim world (especially the Mideast)is the Quran and then Mein Kampf. I'll bet Hooper has read the book many times and that it's a favorite of his. Hooper looks like a sneering, snarling, "Big Lie" Nazi gangster.
Uberfraud Ibby Hooper....
http://www.americansagainsthate.org/cw/profile_pics/Ibrahim-Hooper.jpg
Posted by: Frank at August 7, 2007 1:44 PM
Still bothers me that this story never made it on to the Drudge site, as far as I can tell. I personally sent Drudge two links to the story. The coverage has still been pathetic. Why is MSM so hell bent on muffling terrorist stories that have clear links to Islam?
Just wondering what the publicity would have been like if the suspects had a profile comparable to, oh, lets say Timothy McVeigh?
Timothy McVeigh set the bomb which killed 168 people at the federal building in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma on 19 April 1995. The bomb, made of fertilizer and oil packed into the rear of a rented van, destroyed the front half of the building and killed 149 adults and 19 children. McVeigh, who had served in the U.S. Army from 1988-91, was an extreme conservative who later told investigators he was angry over the federal government's clashes with white separatist Randy Weaver at Ruby Ridge, Idaho in 1992 and with David Koresh and the Branch Davidians at Waco, Texas in 1993.
I guess if you are an "extreme conservative" type terrorist, you will get plenty of ink. But a couple of foreign born followers of the ROP with some pipe bombs, near U.S. military sites? ... nah, nothing to see here, move along now.
Posted by: Paleologos at August 7, 2007 1:50 PM
"Profiling! Nonsense!"
Posted by: Abscedere
If I, a blue-eyed, strawberry-blonde-haired Canadian, were stopped by police in the U.S. for speeding, I would get a speeding ticket.
If the police, concerned about my demeanor, asked for and received permission to search my car, and discovered bomb-making ingredients in the trunk, I would not be given a free pass by virtue of my lovely Scottish-Irish complexion.
If I were stopped near a military base, they would not cheerily wave me on my way, saying, "Have a nice time in the U.S., now, you friendly, fair Canadian!"
And if the police also found a well-thumbed copy of the Jihadist Manifesto (Koran) in my car, alongside the bomb-making materials, I would just as surely be pegged a possible terrorist as any other non-blue-eyed, non-blonde.
Racial profiling, my white ***.
Posted by: Josephine at August 7, 2007 1:52 PM
Most posters above seem completely unaware of the FACT that pipe bombs are a very legitimate form of Muslim firework.
They use pipe bombs, and all other manner of bombs such as car bombs, truck bombs, carcass bombs, etc., to celebrate all manner of Islamic events and causes and such --
WISE UP! It's OK for Muslims to have pipe bombs -- they are very special people, and we should treat all Muslims and their strange-seeming customs with a lot more respect and a lot less derision.
Posted by: jsla at August 7, 2007 1:53 PM
I'm so tired of this garbage. When will American agencies wise up and start treating these fools as enemy combatants, as they should be ?
BTW, does anyone have a copy of the U-Haul story, my Wife can't believe the "authorities" could be so blind.
Posted by: Rowane at August 7, 2007 1:57 PM
Sorry, I forgot to say that I agree with the comment that I quoted by Abscedere.
Posted by: Josephine at August 7, 2007 1:59 PM
Now Lady Josephine. don't get too fired up it simply not the Canadian way.
Posted by: MP at August 7, 2007 2:50 PM
Now Lady Josephine. don't get too fired up it simply not the Canadian way.
Posted by: MP at August 7, 2007 2:54 PM
Another engineering student...why do we educate our enemy?
Posted by: interestinconundrum at August 7, 2007 10:56 AM
Until one of them gets it right and detonates a nuclear device we will have to keep on educating them. This seems to be what our fearless leaders want.
at August 7, 2007 3:09 PM
Bet you guys money this story disappears like most of the rest. Think back just recently...
Mall jihad in Utah
The pizza delivery boys wanting to blow up a military base
Grenade chicks in Dallas
Apartment in Dallas with weapons and fleeing owner
That's just a few examples- but it makes the news and then totally disappears from public view.
I'm not a conspiracy-minded person at all, but you take all this into consideration + these ominous 'warnings about impending doom' from people in the administration and it makes me kind of nervous about what's being hidden from the public.
at August 7, 2007 3:23 PM
Why do they stay in the USA and other Western countries if their lives here are so horrible and they can't handle the "profiling"?
I'd LOVE to ask one of these Brog: "Why do you stay in these 'infidel' lands if it's so terrible here?'
Posted by: Allahfanculo at August 7, 2007 3:27 PM
We need to keep requesting coverage on this story over at the drudge report! Use the breaking news box in the lower left hand corner!
The more of you that send links the more likely the story will show up on his site!
Posted by: mpsgt at August 7, 2007 3:42 PM
We need to keep requesting coverage on this story over at the drudge report! Use the breaking news box in the lower left hand corner!
The more of you that send links the more likely the story will show up on his site!
Posted by: mpsgt at August 7, 2007 3:44 PM
We need to keep requesting coverage on this story over at the drudge report! Use the breaking news box in the lower left hand corner!
The more of you that send links the more likely the story will show up on his site!
Posted by: mpsgt at August 7, 2007 3:44 PM
We need to keep requesting coverage on this story over at the drudge report! Use the breaking news box in the lower left hand corner!
The more of you that send links the more likely the story will show up on his site!
Posted by: mpsgt at August 7, 2007 3:44 PM
"Special Guest,
I can almost guaran-DAMN-tee ya they are inspecting that laptop..." -MP
Don't be too sure about that. Remember Zaccarias Moussaoui, the "20th hijacker", who was arrested before the attacks of 9.11 ? HIS COMPUTER WAS NEVER EXAMINED!!
Think of all the lives which would've been saved had the FBI higher-ups seen fit to authorize that simple step of digging a little deeper to figure out what he was up to, and with whom.
Posted by: alexon at August 7, 2007 4:15 PM
p.s. please only click ONCE on "post" so we can cut down on the epidemic of double-posts here.
at August 7, 2007 4:17 PM
distracted as i now am by thoughts of Josephine, "a blue-eyed, strawberry-blonde-haired
Canadian" with "a lovely Scottish-Irish complexion", i feel unable to contribute to this discussion.
at August 7, 2007 5:09 PM
I never double post.
I never double post.
Sorry...couldn't resist. Said it before...I say it again...
CAIR...the enemy within.
at August 7, 2007 5:20 PM
This defense is a funny as any fiction anybody could write.
Hells bells, Timothy McVeigh had fireworks.
America's jails are full of people who do stupid things that just happen to be against the law. However in this case, I will assume that they were up to no good. Nobody in law enforcement describes fireworks as pipe bombs.
Posted by: Pelayo at August 7, 2007 5:47 PM
M Al-Content -- You are funny! ; )
Posted by: Josephine at August 7, 2007 5:58 PM
I only made it 3 minutes into that you tube link, life is too short to listen to 18 minutes of lies.
Posted by: americanmadestrat [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 7, 2007 9:28 AM
HAHA! I got as far as the word "victims" and immediately shut off the video. All I needed to hear.
I can't decide which is more intellectually offensive: the lies spewed by any CAIR executive or that of any of the Democrat presidential candidates.
Has anyone else noticed, as of late, the number of offense attacks CAIR has taken against these supposed hate crimes (against Islam and the Koran)?
Seems to me that CAIR is gearing up for a major campaign to "win the hearts and minds" of the dhimmi here in the United States; to sway all of the sheep towards the Democrats.
In a rational evaluation of these types of attacks against free-speech and rational thought, I do see a growing trend.
And, folks, it ain't good.
Locked and loaded in small-town Indiana!
Posted by: boneshack at August 7, 2007 6:39 PM
Well I guess none of you all fellers go pipe bomb
fishin......................................... leave these poo folks alone there just trying
to get som supper fer heavens sake?..MY My
at August 7, 2007 8:45 PM
I only made it 3 minutes into that you tube link, life is too short to listen to 18 minutes of lies.
Posted by: americanmadestrat [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 7, 2007 9:28 AM
HAHA! I got as far as the word "victims" and immediately shut off the video. All I needed to hear.
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Yes, I also suffered a bit but managed to watch the whole clip. Perhaps it is because I live in the Tampa Bay area where Mr. Bedier is located, and because I attended the University of South Florida's Tampa Campus while Al Arian was there.
I think it is instructive and important to listen carefully to what CAIR is saying and doing. There are quite a few videos on YouTube with Mr. Bedier. And he watches what people say about him too. It was pointed out to him that he used the word "victim" and he quickly retracted that and said it was the wrong word choice and that "victim" does not apply here. Still, most people heard the word "victim" and it had it's effect on some minds.
While Ibrahim Hooper makes a clown of himself in public, Mr. Bedier is very good at his job and knows how to tailor his words to suit his audience. He is a professional. Nevertheless, it can be a challenge to defend those things for which there is no defense, and Mr. Bedier was clearly struggling for words to defend the alleged actions of the two students.
Mr. Bedier is clearly a very busy man and there are some 30 odd other chapters of CAIR around the country too. It is no wonder that they are so effective in silencing debate. Apparently even the FBI is afraid of them.
Mr. Bedier is very effective at what he is doing and we need not dismiss him and his organization.
One of the tactics used by people who are being accused of doing something questionable or improper is to make the accuser feel silly, by saying there is no basis for the accusation and that it is overblown and there is just a huge misunderstanding. They make the accuser doubt themselves. This is a very effective maneuver. I've listened to Mr. Bedier talk about islamophobia to students and he uses this method quite effectively.
Also notice what the two students are saying about their little "fireworks" escapade: "It's just a big misunderstanding."
I hope it is. But it doesn't look good.
Posted by: cumulusnine at August 7, 2007 8:55 PM
I think they just fogot to get a fishin license?
OK.............?
at August 7, 2007 8:58 PM
"p.s. please only click ONCE on "post" so we can cut down on the epidemic of double-posts here.
Posted by: alexon "
Sorry about that, I didn't see it going on my end and thought it never went at all. I will just leave it be next time.
Posted by: mpsgt at August 7, 2007 9:25 PM
Oxygen tanks, well isn't THAT SPECIAL !!!!
http://www.tampabays10.com/news/local/article.aspx?storyid=60669
Posted by: billyoblog at August 7, 2007 10:18 PM
"Meantime we talked to Ahmed Bedier after the prosecutor said there were pipe bombs in the car; he maintains what some call pipe bombs others call fire works." -- From the article linked to above by billyoblog.
You say pipe bomb,
I say firecracker,
Let's call the whole thing off!
at August 7, 2007 11:03 PM
TAMPA to NC Beaches is definitiely Interstate 95 North to prob US 74 East,etc
NO WAY would any sane a-hole hit Charleston "on the way up" from FLA to any NC Beach
unless they were doing "something else" over in Goose Crk
well done, local boys w/ sheilds and sidearms
Posted by: Crunchy Jello at August 7, 2007 11:31 PM
"If the were white boys."....
Every Sat nite in NY I drive on the Northern State Pky, I see "white boy" after 'white boy" pulled over on the side of the road, police with flash lites looking over their car.
So give me a break...you speed..go over the line..drive to slow..they have every right to pull you over.
I also lived in NC and many a "white boy" I've seen pulled over with police K9 drug sniffers all over the car....
CAIR has some set to pull the race card on this one. The lap top will most likly tell what they were up to.
Posted by: Joe Schmoe USA at August 8, 2007 12:57 AM
I can't decide which is more intellectually offensive: the lies spewed by any CAIR executive or that of any of the Democrat presidential candidates. - boneshack
I'm sure the dems(& repubs)are in bed w/ CAIR. Actually, I didn't know there was a difference between a dem pres candidate & a CAIR exec.
cumulusnine, I unfortunately know the ploy of being made to look the fool after I once reported something I saw, instead of collect information on what I saw, I was told that I was paranoid and a racist and basically to mind my own business. Yeah, paranoid & racist that fits my profile as much as peaceful religion fits islam. Islam is not a race its a lie.
Posted by: americanmadestrat at August 8, 2007 8:58 AM
Ok so after sending five links related to this story.........no story line on Drudge Report but I did see this on his site....
Arizona mosque attacked by acid bombs
http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN0833871920070808?feedType=RSS&rpc=22&sp=true
Nice to see all the stories getting equal coverage???????
Posted by: mpsgt at August 8, 2007 9:26 PM
mpsgt,
I did the same thing and noticed the pop bottle attack coverage too. What in the name of allah is going on over there?
Posted by: billyoblog at August 8, 2007 11:04 PM
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