...with the number of border shooting incidents between border security and drug runners, one might wonder if the Muslims are also giving military training to the drug cartels.....this dot goes here...this dot goes here...this dot goes here...(I am just connecting the dots)...

Posted by: exsgtbrown at August 8, 2007 6:50 AM

Legalise drugs and tax them - it will remove the drugs/criminal/jihadi connection once and for all - and prove to be a huge benefit to society (i.e. billions in taxes, money saved in policing and the disconnection between criminality and drugs ..)

The real criminals will go back to crime and the jihadis will remain the same - if they then choose to act as one - the criminals become terrorists as well ...

(like the 11/M case in Spain where the criminal who swapped explosives for hash with the jihadis is now in deep doggy doo-doo)

Posted by: drk at August 8, 2007 6:55 AM

A marriage made in islamic heaven...........

Legalize drugs (marijuana, anyway) and use some of the billions of tax dollars generated to fight the jihad - makes sense to me.

Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at August 8, 2007 7:21 AM

The drug cartels, especially the Juarez cartel under the Fuentes family (the Pablo Escobars of mexico), have one thing in common with al qaeda: "reconquista"/insurrection/disruption of the US.
Compare talking points of al qaeda & islamists with such guttersnipe as this old classic "reconquista" tripe (the anti-semitic stuff at this pro-castro (who's also an aider and abettor) site gives the iranian lunatic a run for his money:
http://www.aztlan.net

This is years old news...and the transporters are MS-13 (La Mara Salvatrucha) gangs (yep, same ones "suspected" of traffiking terrorists over the border), far and away, the most dangerous gangs in all of North America, and are just as barbaric.
We call them domestic terrorists (which all gangs are anyway, and deserve the same status, too).

Posted by: jcom972 at August 8, 2007 7:32 AM

The hypocrisy of Islam is mind-boggling. Strain out the gnat (beer and wine, etc) and swallow the camel (heroin, hash, cocaine, you name it). Forbid the public consumption of alcohol - while financing the Jihad from the production and sale of hard drugs.

It makes me think of Jesus' words about whitewashed tombs "and within are dead men's bones, and all uncleanness".

But, since the jihadists are allying themselves with the crime gangs, drug lords, etc, the answer should be the following.

1. RICO.

2. Apply the method Rudy Giuliani used to clean up New York City, by catching crooks for cheating on rail fares and other such 'small' public misdemeanours (and once you've got them, tip them upside down and find out what they've got in their pockets, such as the illegal weapons, stolen passports, etc.). Like those two idiots with the pipe bombs who got caught because they were doing 60 in a 40 zone.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at August 8, 2007 8:24 AM

I'll disagree with the comment that they only trafficked with unbelievers, during the invasion of Afganistan it was well documented that they captured US allies among the Afgani tribesmen and got them hooked on heroin/opium/etc and would withhold the drugs unless they fought for the Taliban.

Posted by: morguerat at August 8, 2007 8:35 AM

The democrats would have you believe that this is all fear mongering by the Bush Administration so that they can find more reasons for the NSA to tap into your conversations, and E Mails violating your right to privacy under the constitution. Is the Washington Times a tool of the White House? And yet the democrats continue to hammer the President every day in trying to convince the American people that this president has been conducting illegal wire taps without warrants, never mind that every tap is reviewed by FISA. This article represents but only one small aspect of the war on terrorism, and yet its implications are just as deadly as terrorists coming from any other direction or foreign country.

Posted by: Mackie at August 8, 2007 8:50 AM

They are here to do jobs that Americans won't do. Keep our borders open!

Posted by: MP at August 8, 2007 9:03 AM

Mackie - I see the "Bush Administration" as a large part of the problem. Bush has been in power for two and a half terms. During most of this time we have been "at war". The borders of this country remain wide open. Bush does not know who has come into this country, nor does he seem to care.Pardon my French, but WTF?

Posted by: MP at August 8, 2007 9:09 AM

I'm sure in the safehouses of your local gangs hide a few jihadis. This should not be a surprise to anyone. Keep your eyes and ears open and take many mental notes.

Posted by: americanmadestrat at August 8, 2007 9:16 AM

Surprising to see so many here who think like I do -- that illegal drugs are a source of easy money for people who don't have our best interests at heart. Drug profits empower street gangs and terrorists. And the more illegal the drug, the harder we fight it, and the higher the profits.

They even did this with legal drugs though. Remember the Hezbollah cigarette scheme? They were able to make $30,000 on each vanload of cigarettes just on the difference in taxes between North Carolina and Michigan.

Jihadis are not only not stupid, but they are bold and creative and 'know' they have Allah's approval to do these things. The infidel's laws are obviously irrelevant. Only Allah's law must be obeyed.

Posted by: Goob at August 8, 2007 9:16 AM

goobs, again, it is funny you should mention the cigs. There is a local smoke shop that used to sell cigs really cheap. I don't smoke but, I have many friends that do. My bud used to go to this smoke shop pre 9/11. It has been said that when 9/11 happened the smoke shop owners were celebrating and dancing. Obviously my friend stopped spending his $ at this place. Anyway, it was found out that they were supposedly funneling cig $$ overseas. this is where the story gets good. The shop is still up and running AND they have a few more stores around the area. So they have actually expanded!! UNFREAKINBELIAVABLE!!! People still frequent this store and it is still open. I just don't get it.

Posted by: americanmadestrat at August 8, 2007 9:25 AM

This is troublesome, but probably only represents a small source of their funding. The biggest revenue source these guys have is the oil economy, which we all participate in, and funnels 100s of *billions* to the Islamic states every year. All of you reading this and who drive a low mileage truck/van/SUV without good cause should be ashamed.

Posted by: bluezion at August 8, 2007 9:54 AM

When I was working an Army CID under-cover drug team out of Fort Lewis, Washington, in '87; the DEA sent notice to all local law enforcement that Latin American cartels were shifting their smuggling routes. Because of Reagan's "war on drugs" they moved some of their entry points from the southern border to the Pacific Northwest. So, for 20 years they've been perfecting their operations up here. Whatever they use to bring in drugs can be used to bring in people and weapons of any and every kind. Seattle/King County is so PC, this place is just another 9-11 waiting to happen. Boom.

Posted by: undaunted at August 8, 2007 10:26 AM

When I was working an Army CID under-cover drug team out of Fort Lewis, Washington, in '87; the DEA sent notice to all local law enforcement that Latin American cartels were shifting their smuggling routes. Because of Reagan's "war on drugs" they moved some of their entry points from the southern border to the Pacific Northwest. So, for 20 years they've been perfecting their operations up here. Whatever they use to bring in drugs can be used to bring in people and weapons of any and every kind. Seattle/King County is so PC, this place is just another 9-11 waiting to happen. Boom.

Posted by: undaunted at August 8, 2007 10:26 AM

I see the "Bush Administration" as a large part of the problem. Bush has been in power for two and a half terms. During most of this time we have been "at war". The borders of this country remain wide open. Bush does not know who has come into this country, nor does he seem to care.Pardon my French, but WTF?

Posted by Mp

Yes the Bush Administration has made mistakes just like any other administration has in the past, and of course the democrats continue to criticize his administration at every turn. However it is the Republicans who have pushed the hardest for a fence across our southern border. The conflict with President Bush is that he has been in the camp of wanting to give amnesty to the 12 million illegals that are in the country so that they may not be afraid to be identified. The fence bill HR 6061 in the house had a majority vote of 283 to 138 but the length and cost of the fence is still being debated because of our paralyzed bureaucracy that continues to wants to in reality bury it, mostly because of cheap labor and powerful Mexican lobbying groups, such as Maldef, and La Raza. To many of our politicians are having trouble discounting the ever growing strength of the Latino vote despite the great security concerns.

Posted by: Mackie at August 8, 2007 10:28 AM

LET'S BUILD A WALL ALREADY!

Ok, now Mexican street thug drug dealers are funding the global jihad. Which means that stupid American druggies are the ones funding the jihad.

America needs to build a freekin wall/security fence between the land of the free and the land of the free-loaders. Since the government is totally incapable of getting it done, how about us citizens just going over there and doing it w/o them!?

What's the government going to do, shoot us for protecting our families and neighbors? Oh yeah, that's probably right, they would shoot us.

We have illegal immigrant legislation that is not being enforced. Want to know why..."Imagine there's no country. It isn't hard to do. Nothing to kill or die for. And no religion too." There are way too many "Imagine" idealogues in the halls of power in America who are, what are now being called, "transnationalists".

Fundamentally, they are for eliminating the concept of nationalism and national boundaries. They are the poison pill of American politics. Their idiotic idealogy is very easily exploited by the global jihad. Clinton was a transnationalist: 'sure let's bring in a bunch of Somali Musilms into the American South to teach those rednecks that Muslims are just like them. Imagine all the people sharing all the world.' I think Bush is also a transnationalist, like his old man, trying to establish that New World Order. That's why he was so passionate about his bs immigration bill, which would have given 12 MILLION ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS immediate citizenship!!! They think that eliminating our cultural distinctions goes a long way to ultimately eliminating nationalism, and they are right. It also goes a long way in eradicating our country.
Lefties and transnationalists hand-cuff law enforcement, prevent creating barriers bw the US and Mexico, and enforce "hate crime" legislation AGAINST CHRISTIANS for nothing more than sharing the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

The jihadists laugh at us. They know that America's government will be its own demise in the global jihad. The people need to rise up and prevent this lunacy. The greatest thing was when the American people stood up against our federal government and WOULD NOT ALLOW them to pass that death to AMerica immigration bill that both Republicans and Democrats were trying to pass.

I bet that soon we the people are going to build that wall with or without the help of our government. The drug dealers and the jihadists would hate to see that.

Posted by: Tookson at August 8, 2007 11:13 AM

Thanks, Mackie - I think the fence will be largely ineffective - sort of like the Maginot line. Governments, both local and Federal, should start out by enforcing all of the existing laws. If they had done that consistently, beginning with the Reagan administration after the 1987 amnesty, we would not have untold numbers of illegals from who knows where threatening our security. Truth be told, neither major party wants to control immigration.

Posted by: MP at August 8, 2007 11:15 AM

From jcom's link
http://www.aztlan.net/villargairosa_apologizes_muslims.htm
Well now, I understand now what "aztlan" is going to be...the caliphate. Hope you stupid idiotic asses enjoy your slavery.

Posted by: interestinconundrum at August 8, 2007 11:23 AM

The Mex are not coming to the USA, they are escaping from Mexico, and there is a difference. It is/was in our best interest to have a good stable neighbor to the south, but instead we bribed and corrupted them to the point that they are now at the brink of revolution. U S Companies went there to exploit the slave like conditions, and they have been in this condition ever since. And all of this misery for the sake of profits for Americans. Have we no shame? Now we are building a wall there to keep them out of here, and keep them in misery. The 6 Billion could of been used to offer low cost Small Business loans to the Mexicans, so WE could develop a market for American good, but no, we can't control our Multi National Corps or our Federal Gov. So stop squealing like little school girls. We are the ones to blame, we made our own bed, now we need to lay down in it.

Posted by: QuadoLama at August 8, 2007 11:24 AM

In the link at the bottom of the page I just linked above, the idjit says:
Unlike the "White Christian Evangelicals", Latino Christians have no conflict with Islam. We see much that connects both cultures and religions. We see a need to advance unity instead of division between the groups. We see no conflict between the Qur'an and the New Testament as they relate to Jesus Christ.
Boy did he get a wrong number.

Posted by: interestinconundrum at August 8, 2007 11:38 AM

QuadoLama:

Truly pathetic. Are you crying about how the US gave TOO MUCH money to Mexico???

That is just the mentality that illegal immigrants have, which is why they hate America even while they rush over to live here in the millions. Entitlement. And also why amnesty is a horrible, tragic mistake.

Legal immigrants tend to love America. My mom is a legal immigrant from Italy. She came over after WWII and literally KISSED THE GROUND when she arrived from Italy. Rather than kiss the American ground, the new breed of illegal immigrants would just piss on it instead.

The fundamental difference is an ability to blame yourself for your own problems. If you can't do that you will remain a pathetic loser and never overcome them.

Posted by: Tookson at August 8, 2007 11:45 AM

QuadoLama

Why is it America's responsibility to take care of the problems that Mexico has created for themselves? Why isn't their economy competing with ours just like other industrial countries are from Japan too China? Why isn't the Mexican Government giving small cost loans to Mexicans, and why should it be the US's responsibility?

Posted by: Mackie at August 8, 2007 12:07 PM

Mackie:

Because they are our neighbor. Would it be better for them to have a revolution there, right on our border.

We are the ones that created that mess down there. the Corps here bribed the Feds there, and we all looked the other way, pertending it would be better to have cheap goods, than a healthy market we could sell into.

Tookson

Do you really think your Mom would have crawled across the desert to escape from Italy? C'mon man, pull yer head out. The Mex die by the hundreds every year getting out of there, and it is our GREED that has caused this mess. You all squeel about the powerful 'Lobbies' in washington, how do you think the lobbies in MX DF are doing. they are keeping the Mex in abject poverty. And all of that so we can have stuff cheaper.

Posted by: QuadoLama at August 8, 2007 12:25 PM

"We are the ones to blame, we made our own bed, now we need to lay down in it.

Posted by: QuadoLama "

....I disagree,...try blaming the Mexican government for failing to promote business investments (which usually come with property investments/jobs/and economy growth)...try blaming the Mexican Government for failing to promote a valid agriculture growth policy....try blaming the Mexican Government for failing to promote any kind of programs to educate its citizens with any kind of creditable education system...try blaming the Mexican Government for failing to help its citizens with any kind of valid retirement income programs....try blaming the Mexican Government with it draconian judicial system and notoriously bad prison systems...

.....the reason the Mexicans are leaving is because their own government fails them terribly...sir!...

Posted by: exsgtbrown at August 8, 2007 12:32 PM

The borders of this country remain wide open. Bush does not know who has come into this country, nor does he seem to care.Pardon my French, but WTF?

Posted by: MP at August 8, 2007 9:09 AM

Bush, like muslims, deceptively hid his agenda until the conditions were right (or so he thought) to shove illegal immigrants down Americas throat. Ever since he got elected, he has worked hard to make sure the borders were never closed. He under funded border patrol, chastized minutemen, invited Fox's trash across Rio Grande, shoved lies after lies down listener's throats, desensitized chertoff to border security and when he thought that America would helplessly accept criminals he invited, he tried to shove the amnesty down our throats. So, we have noone but white house to thank for the criminals across the border (and some, like CAIR within our borders).

Glad that the reality is finally sinking in.

Posted by: Alert at August 8, 2007 12:34 PM

"Boy did he get a wrong number."
Posted by: interestinconundrum

My guess is that he's another "Christian" who hasn't bothered to read the Bible and a proponent of Islam who hasn't read the Koran.

Do you remember the PTL scandal? Jim Baker was always telling his followers that God wanted them to have lots of money ("the prosperity gospel").

I read an interview that was done after Jim Baker was released from prison and he admitted that he hadn't read the entire Bible or even the entire New Testament until he was in prison. But he and Tammy Faye supposedly met in Bible college!

Posted by: Josephine at August 8, 2007 12:50 PM

exsgtbrown;

You are wrong sir. You show just how little you know of our neighbor. There are 100s of rich American lobbies there in MX DF and they corrupt the system, just like they do here. Have you bought a prescription drug lately? Yes, the Gov there is corrupt, but you cant have corruption without money. And it's that cash our Multi national Corp pay to the Gov and local administrations to keep wages low that is the problem. Would you prefer the illegals to be carrying guns when they arrive? That will be the next step in this process, as history has shown us time after time. And if your head wasn't the hardest substance known to man you would see the suffering there. Who cares about who's fault it is! They are still humans!

Posted by: QuadoLama at August 8, 2007 12:56 PM

exsgtbrown:

Now think of this. You are a Mex, and your wife is pregnant, and you make 150.00 US perweek. Now look at the prices there,
Everyday Foods - Mexican Pesos ($)
Bread (loaf) - MX$16
Butter (/kg) - MX$61
Fresh Milk (/ltr) - MX$10
Cheese (/kg) - MX$90
Chocolate Biscuits - MX$20
Tea (Box of 100 bags) MX$63
Instant Coffee (200g) - MX$41.90
Quality Filter Coffee (400g) - MX$31
Sugar (/kg) - MX$12.35
Cured Ham (/kg) - MX$130
Whole Chicken (/kg) - MX$46
Breast of Chicken (/kg w/skin) - MX$55
Beef (/kg) - MX$60
White Fish (/kg) - MX$100
Fresh Corn Tortillas (/kg at supermarkets)- MX$5.80 (Elsewhere MX$8-MX$9)
Fresh Eggs (Dozen) - MX$13.50
Bacon (/kg) - MX$100
Sausages/Turkey Franks (/kg) - MX$44
Dry Pasta (/kg) - MX$18
Rice (/kg) - MX$10
Cornflakes Cereal (Box) - MX$21

And gas there is 2.50USD per gal as well, a tank of gas is 2 days wages. Now tell us MR Smarty pants rich guy, what would you do? I can tell you what you'd do, and it would include a gun.

Posted by: QuadoLama at August 8, 2007 1:07 PM

I was involved in building one of those ‘sound walls’ a few years back. It was six feet high and made of masonry. We built one part of it for $80/ft and another for $100/ft (labor costs had spiked with the housing boom). We put up a half-mile of sound wall in a couple of days with a small crew.

At $100/ft, a two thousand mile border fence would cost around a billion dollars. A double fence with a vehicle path down the middle and some barbed wire on top would keep just about everybody out with a modest Border Patrol.

We could secure the border in a few months if that was the plan. That’s not the plan though.

Did anyone notice the threat China is making to destabilize our currency by selling $900 billion in our notes? They call it the ‘nuclear option’. But $900 billion is nothing compared with the real crisis facing our form of government. We make $900 billion worth of promises to a dependent electorate every 16 weeks.

When that bill comes due and we realize that it ain’t going to be paid, we’ll secure the border. That will be a bad day for CAIR. It will be a good day for those seeking to solve our obesity epidemic though.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2007/08/07/bcnchina107a.xml

Posted by: pez at August 8, 2007 1:13 PM

Mexican pot farms are not always Mexican pot farms.
There have been three large pot growing busts along the South Yuba River in Northern California, this summer, one yesterday. The authorities claim all three growing operations were by illegal Mexicans working for cartels. One raid netted three illegals.
The S.Yuba is visited by over 600,000 visitors a year, so A few Mexicans on the trails would attract little attention. Equipment could be carried to isolated locals by hand or hand cart. Local growers long ago stopped growing in large open spaces observable from the sky. Only Mexican cartel growers are doing that. No one told them about low flying heliocopters, that fly around looking for dumb growers. This is a wild and scenic river, the upper areas being populated by nudists, gold miners, beer drinking teens, party goers of all types, and apparently Mexican pot growers. The feds say the profits go to cartels who create meth labs in Mexico. I dont believe that, meth labs create thier own funding. But the money generated is going somewhere, I wonder where?

Posted by: duh_swami at August 8, 2007 1:26 PM

I have rarely addressed something said by any poster on any board that I have ever visited. Today I find myself making an exception.

If the illegals want to come over with guns, fine. I would make every effort to hunt them down like varmits and make sure that they would be DRT (Dead Right There)

By having an open border we are putting off the inevitable revolution that needs to take place in Mexico. Bush didn't want to close the border probably because Vincente Fox told him that it would be better if Mexico would remain stable.

The level of corruption is such that we should simply buy Mexico and make it into one large vacation mecca. I really see very little use for Mexico anyhow. The supposedly cheap labor actually only means something to the corporate farms in the southwest. The farmers of the southwest need to mechanize all of that labor anyhow. It would not raise the price of vegetables much at all. The farmers in Australia have done that a long time ago. So have the farms in south america. They manage to get out a sizeable crop without the "high price of immigrant labor."

Posted by: credit man at August 8, 2007 2:43 PM

Yet another great reason to end the War on Drugs and seal off our southern border with Mexico. It seems as if Congress is totally asleep on the jihad issue, despite 9/11.

Posted by: Jonas Salk at August 8, 2007 2:51 PM

credit man:

Your home work is to learn the meaning of the word 'Empathy', there will be a pop quiz on Friday. But tell me, if instead of Mexicans starving next door to us, they were Muslim Tsunami 'victims' instead, would your heart be softened at all? When the poverty ridden in MX blow up an oil pipeline feeding the USA will you sing a different tune. I think you will. But then it will be too late. The Mex are being conscripted to help the Islamites in their war on America, and poverty is their main resource. The Mex that the Islamites bring across the border are not being used in 'farm labor', they are being transported to Chicago and other big US cities,after they convert them, trust me in this, I have the videos from my trips to AZ and NM and Chi to prove it, 50hrs worth. But most Americans are still only interested in protecting their own rice bowl, they can not see how this plays into the hands of the Islamites.
But then you see little use for Mexico, or their oil, or auto parts, or food they export. So you will not be affected by the pipeline interruption. Goody for you. The rest of us will be.

Posted by: QuadoLama at August 8, 2007 3:27 PM

QuadoLama:

so, so typical.

No one with half a brain will buy your insane theory that America is the cause of all of Mexico's problems. No one with half a brain will accept your feeble attempt at a guilt trip as a method to weaken resistence to the criminal conduct of people who break our laws.

Your comment about my mom shows utter ignorance and does not merit a response, more just a chuckle.

You don't sound like you know anything about compassion, yet you use it as a convenient guilt trip device. I actually have spent many HOURS of my own time assisting and befriending illegal immigrants. I have rolled up my sleeves and provided and secured for them material aid and helped them get on their feet. I am the son of a legal immigrant. But anyone who loves America and has compassion for us realizes that illegal immigration is one of the biggest threats to our economy and our national soveriegnty.

If you are interested in learning, you might want to watch the video "Conquest of Aztlan" or read "In Mortal Danger" or "Whatever It Takes" or "State of Emergency". :)

Posted by: Tookson at August 8, 2007 5:46 PM

Why not? One's as morally corrupt as the other.

Posted by: rational at August 8, 2007 7:21 PM

*ahem*
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/6/12/141242.shtml

Posted by: jcom972 at August 8, 2007 9:48 PM

QuadoLama:

Did I mention anything that you said?

I will be ready for the pop quiz. Most of the ones I've been used to however are unannounced. Thus the term "Pop Quiz."

Muslim Tsunami "victims" are a far cry from Mexicans starving because of their government's leadership. The Muslim’s would have a tough time changing a wave moving at subsonic speeds. The Mexicans have the right to vote, they just have corrupted individuals to pick from. They can change that! I live in a place where the citizens had to change our local government because of the "kickbacks" that were taking place. One of the city commissioners spent time in jail over it. We no longer have that form of local government. It's happening now in a neighboring county. I expect the county court judges will be reamed out over their actions.

You imply in your post that if we gave the Mexicans enough money, they would not help the Islamites. BTW, why are they so easily "converted"? I have stated before in earlier posts that I don't believe in "radicalization" of nubile Muslims making them into fierce Islamic warriors. The latest version of this was in an article recently about how a video game would radicalize a Muslim. I guess that those guys on this board playing fantasy football better watch out. The wife will know when her hubby sits down in front of a keyboard with a jock strap on, that a conversion is taking place.

Yes, Americans are still interested in protecting their own ricebowl. Why not, those actions have made us the most successful nation on the planet. I really have to admire the advancements Muslim countries have made in the last few years. They have "converted" a whole generation of citizens into thinking they will go to heaven with a lb of C4 planted in their guts.

John Dingel, democrat from somewhere, wants to put a $.50/gal tax on your gasoline. In reality if the disgruntled Mexicans want to blow up a pipeline, what difference would it make with congressional leadership like his? If they blow up a pipeline why would we be worried about auto parts made in Mexico. We wouldn't have any gas to run autos on. BTW, I've seen some connecting rods that were remanufactured in Mexico. They were cheap and had the worst quality of any remanufacturing operation I have ever seen on connecting rods.

Zenith was a local manufacturer here. They moved to Mexico for the cheap labor. All of a sudden all of their assets were in Mexico as well as being valued in Pesos. When the value of the Peso fell, the company could not support the value of their assets and they went broke. So did a lot of our citizens that left this community to work there.

Posted by: credit man at August 8, 2007 10:38 PM

The users were unbelievers alright! "I don't believe we smuggled all those drugs into the country and guns tooo...." "Si"... What a short story there.? That was telling..?
What about who the drug cartel are? Like MS-13! They are in our police, army, jails, Islamberg, there are so many even the other gangs are joining eachother but there are so many from El Salvador. They are ruthless! Michelle Malkin wrote about them years back. They were coming in then, and slicing off ears, heads, what ever gets in their way!

Posted by: MZ at August 9, 2007 12:00 AM

credit man:

You are right Credit Man, but the pop quiz is THURSDAY not Friday! lol

I have friends there and they have no ideas how to deal with this either. They feel a great deal of shame in what is going on there. They think of the illegals as cowards for not sticking around a fighting. But they know there is little hope for a solution. Each President loots more than the last from the national economy. It makes me sad to see this, and that sadness turns to anger for, me at least. If we dont find a way to solve the poverty done there, the Islamites will.

Posted by: QuadoLama at August 9, 2007 12:26 AM

lol...simple...eliminate the socialism and the institutions it created and problem's solved.
But so much time delaying having to face that for decades has allowed the festering of the same, that it won't change peacefully...
...but that's not our problem...ours is the fact that we get what we tolerate, and we've hyper-tolerated this spillover into our own country when it was easily avoidable, and now those who seek to destroy the US (despite their own differences) have common ground (that very same thing-destruction), thus, aid and abet each other, and those mentioned very much are involved, which is what this thread topic is about.

Posted by: jcom972 at August 9, 2007 1:44 AM

uh...I'd totally, like, destroy all you infidels and stuff...but I'm, like, totally baked right now, dude...allahu akb...uh...something like that...

Posted by: GetBornAgain at August 9, 2007 9:15 AM

This is your brain.

**Sound of eggs breaking and frying**

This is your brain on jihad. Any questions?

Posted by: sceptico at August 9, 2007 10:18 AM

And here we have solid proof that the United States' "War on Drugs" is a huge boondoggle (actually even worse).

Making illicit drugs (contemptible as they ARE) contraband has skyrocketed the price these substances command on the street.

Islam, as with most illegal trades, is now getting in on this as wed see in this article above (the CIA, by the way, has even gone so far as to publicly label Ousamah bin Laden the world's leading drug lord) and makes billions in revenue and arms mosques and terrorism organizations INSIDE the United States-- and escalates the violence aimed at America, as sooner or later it is sure to.

The War on Drugs is now a bona fide threat to American national security.

The UNited States would better off at this point legalizing illicit drugs than continuing on down this path...

Posted by: pythagoras at August 10, 2007 1:22 PM

QuodoLama:

Oh no you don't.

Mexico is impoverished and trapped in ass-backwards by its doing and no one else's. Its government and ruling classes have never permitted Mexico to amount to anything and that is a result of its own indigenous culture and dynamics. Mexican advancement wold threaten their ruling elite's grip on power there. SO it stays the way it is.

Mexico merits absolutely NO sympathy at all and gets none here.

Mexico's misery and backwardness are a specific RESULT of its own cultural practices over the centuries. The United States couldn't have added to Mexico's miseries if it had wanted to. The Mesican government ruling elite have turned reinforcing backwardness and poverty into a fine art (as is true of most Third World countries).

It's a safe bet, that if the United States had tried different economic policies, the corrupt Mexican ruling elite would have politically strongarmed away whatever economic benefits the Mexican masses might have been accruing.

Notice that the world's wealthiest man is a Mexican currently. There are PLENTY of wealthy mexicans. have they ever done anything to help their people? NO way.

ou might be unterestedin knowing that the United States' immigration policies have donore more tpo relieve Mexican poverty than anything MEXICO itself has ever attempted inthis area. By working here, Mexican immigrants are able to send money home and help their own people to a degree that seldom occurs down there.

When was the last time Mexico's elite did anything to benefit the United States of their own volition? So by your reasoning, America is driving down a oneway street. Why might that be? Shouldn't America get something back for helping Mexico? If not, it is unrealistic to expect Americans to assist Mexico (especially when nothng seems to work anyway).

Mexican "history"? Wasn't it a backwater outpost of the Spanish Empire? And a third world dictatorship? Before all this, it was a pagan empire of cannibalism and slavery-practicing Aztecs and Mayans?

Mexico never WAS part of western civilization and it is unreasonable ot expect it to act as though it operates on that level. Because it can NOT.

Posted by: pythagoras at August 10, 2007 1:44 PM

QuodoLama:

Oh no you don't.

Mexico is impoverished and trapped in ass-backwards by its doing and no one else's. Its government and ruling classes have never permitted Mexico to amount to anything and that is a result of its own indigenous culture and dynamics. Mexican advancement wold threaten their ruling elite's grip on power there. SO it stays the way it is.

Mexico merits absolutely NO sympathy at all and gets none here.

Mexico's misery and backwardness are a specific RESULT of its own cultural practices over the centuries. The United States couldn't have added to Mexico's miseries if it had wanted to. The Mesican government ruling elite have turned reinforcing backwardness and poverty into a fine art (as is true of most Third World countries).

It's a safe bet, that if the United States had tried different economic policies, the corrupt Mexican ruling elite would have politically strongarmed away whatever economic benefits the Mexican masses might have been accruing.

Notice that the world's wealthiest man is a Mexican currently. There are PLENTY of wealthy mexicans. have they ever done anything to help their people? NO way.

ou might be unterestedin knowing that the United States' immigration policies have donore more tpo relieve Mexican poverty than anything MEXICO itself has ever attempted inthis area. By working here, Mexican immigrants are able to send money home and help their own people to a degree that seldom occurs down there.

When was the last time Mexico's elite did anything to benefit the United States of their own volition? So by your reasoning, America is driving down a oneway street. Why might that be? Shouldn't America get something back for helping Mexico? If not, it is unrealistic to expect Americans to assist Mexico (especially when nothng seems to work anyway).

Mexican "history"? Wasn't it a backwater outpost of the Spanish Empire? And a third world dictatorship? Before all this, it was a pagan empire of cannibalism and slavery-practicing Aztecs and Mayans?

Mexico never WAS part of western civilization and it is unreasonable ot expect it to act as though it operates on that level. Because it can NOT.

Posted by: pythagoras at August 10, 2007 1:44 PM

LOL!
pythagoras:
yes, you are right, and i agree with all you have said. You have an understanding that shows you have a good grip on the reality of Mexican life and their history. But my point is that if we allow the Mex to slide into revolution, where will we be then? And you're correct, the richest man in the world is a Lebanese Immigrant in Mexico. But, we are exporting the illegals back to MX now, how will they (we) avoid a revolution then? The cops at the city and State level are paid minimum wage there, that is 50p per day, and they must buy their own bullets and uniforms. Do you think the Islamites know this? Do you feel the cops there are easy targets for the Islamites to bribe to look the other way while they invade the US? We rely on the Mex to send us oil through the pipelines, and the poverty class, along with the revolutionaries and the Islamites all know how important the supply of oil is to the USA. How long will it be before one group or the other blows that pipeline? Not long, I suspect. I was just there and found the 'Army' guarding it. And all it looks like to me is some kids dressed in jeans and toting M16s. It is very bad since the restless tried to blow up the pipeline last month. As I see it we have an option there, we need to turn 20 miles from the border, in Mex, into a security zone, before it is too late. Or, we need to help solve the crushing poverty down there. But ignoring it is NOT an option. It is only a matter of time. Well pythagoras, I'm sure you can do the math.

Posted by: QuadoLama at August 10, 2007 5:46 PM