It's obvious that Stu is not only stupid and cruel but also inexperienced and possibly even sheltered. A close friend or family member of his has not been murdered. He has not lived with devastating injuries or chronic disability. He has not been traumatized by a major, stressful life event. He has never served in a war.

He has not worked in government and does not understand how it works. Nor does he understand human psychology. He is obviously clueless about terrorism.

It is safe to say that Stu lacks empathy. For, even lacking all of the above-noted first-hand experience, it would not be difficult for most of us to read a book and put ourselves in someone else's position. Stu can't do even that.

How do you spell stupid? Stu...

Posted by: Josephine at August 11, 2007 12:26 PM

I agree with the sentiments expressed here by Greg, but there is a less blunt and (I hope) less moronic way of putting what the journo may have been trying to express:

Unless something drastic - terrible - happens, the West will slide gently into the dark night of dhimmitude. While I do put my hope on the educational efforts of sites such as this, let's face it, antijihadism will never become a mainstream issue. No matter how often I hear things like "people are starting to wake up" or "these issues are being discussed more openly in the MSM than before," stuff it, this optimism is not reflected in the support of pols like Tom Tancredo or Geert Wilders of the Netherlands.

What I cynically and unashamedly hope for would be a Motoon crisis x 1000, or permanent riots in one of the European Dhimmistans like the UK or Sweden, or the social benefit systems collapsing meaning that thousands living in the banlieues and suburbs would be without money overnight - something along these lines.

No gain without pain. I don't "want" it to be like this, but I don't want to see us march into oblivion either. Please convince me that I am wrong, and that education will eventually cause the West to make a stand.

Posted by: anti-uffe at August 11, 2007 12:45 PM

Stu is a good writer and if I did not grow up reading him, I might have the same reaction.

This is a "modest proposal" a la Swift.

Does not work all that well, and that is certainly the author`s fault, though.

Posted by: tokyobk at August 11, 2007 12:56 PM

Speaking of stupidity, here's a good quote from an Arab "ally" on American stupidity:

"I summon my blue-eyed slaves anytime it pleases me. I command the Americans to send me their bravest soldiers to die for me. Anytime I clap my hands a stupid genie called the American ambassador appears to do my bidding. When the Americans die in my service their bodies are frozen in metal boxes by the US Embassy and American airplanes carry them away, as if they never existed. Truly, America is my favorite slave." - King Fahd Bin Abdul-Aziz, Jeddeh 1993

Posted by: jewdog at August 11, 2007 12:57 PM

Wouldn't it be better to give an ultimatum to George, Nancy. Harry, Ted et all? Learn to play together or recess is canceled?

Treating them like adults certainly is not working.

Posted by: infidel! at August 11, 2007 1:19 PM

I still maintain that the best way to handle the insidious aspects of Islam is to expose Islam's homicidal orientation in its Kuranic teachings. (Even stupid people are afraid of death and being murdered-- which is something that we can put to work for us here and I know how).

* In short, as I have said many, many times here (I know everyone here is sick of me saying it--but I cannot worry about that) ISLAM TEACHES MUSLIMS TO COMMIT FIRST DEGREE MURDER against the "unbelievers". Surah 9.5 in the Kuran goes as follows: "And when the forbidden months have passed, slay the idolaters everywhere they are found; besiege them, capture them, torture them, prepare every stratagem of warfare against them; levy the poor tax upon their conversion to the ways of al-lah." Another Kuranic literary gem that teaches Muslims to commit first degree murder of the "unbelievers" is "paradise lies under the shade of the swords."

* These Kuranic teachings, when put into action, become the "terrorism" we are witnessing across the globe nowadays.

* And indeed this teaching is a veritable Islamic institution and has been for over 13 centuries. Laws in Islamic states actually are om the side of the "terrorists" and not on the side of the terrorists' victims!

* In addition, this teaching is held by Muslims to be straight from the Almighty al-lah and as such it is therefore untouchable and non-negotiable.

* Devout Muslims have every intention of carrying out this command from al-lah until doomsday (literally).

* If you are not a Muslim then YOU can be killed by Muslims and YOU are the ones al-lah has commanded Muslims to attack and kill.

* NO REFORMATION OF ISLAM IS POSSIBLE THEREFORE. THIS TEACHING OF VIOLENCE IS INTEGRAL TO ISLAMIC IDEOLOGY IN EVERY WAY AND THERE IS NO WAY TO REMOVE IT!!

* Then, juxtapose Islam's homicidal teachings with its history of atrocities, Third World dictators (including such full-fledged horrors as Idi Amin, Ayatollah Khomeini, Saddam Hussein or Pakistan's Zia), genocide, and destruction of entire civilizations (including Egypt's and Byzantium's) and there is a staggering case against Islam that even the most dim-witted among us can grasp. At least 300 million murders amounts to a legacy of evil unmatched in human history.

When these facts (and these ARE indeed facts, there is no need to make anything up) are finally brought to the attention of the western democracies' general populace, we will have a chance of surviving this.

But of course we're not there yet. Everybody please keep plugging away. There IS hope.

Posted by: pythagoras at August 11, 2007 1:32 PM

I see a big problem with this man's disgusting argument - I for one didn't think the USA was that "united" in the aftermath of 9/11. Perhaps for a day or two, yes, as people were still shocked over what had happened - but there were "no war in Afghanistan" and "inevitable anti-Muslim backlash" shrills heard weeks before the USA actually began the war in October 2001.

Posted by: Darius LaMonica at August 11, 2007 1:35 PM

In the article he says:

"We knew who the enemy was then.

We knew who the enemy was shortly after 9/11."

I, for one, have not forgotten who the enemy is.
But I suppose alot of people have...

Posted by: loridoc at August 11, 2007 1:49 PM

We won’t need Al Qaeda’s help:

"The federal government’s fiscal exposures totaled more than $46 trillion at the end of 2005, up from about 20 trillion in 2000. We have got to scale back the spending in Medicare, Social Security, and Medicaid. We have to make sure Americans don’t feel they’ve been gamed. We should not be running deficits in the hundreds of billions of dollars. Companies can’t do it. Non profits can’t do it. Countries can’t do it (for long anyway). The process is important, but it’s not a panacea. Leadership is essential, but process can help," said Comptroller General David Walker.

The Federal Reserve stopped the stock market slide yesterday by ‘releasing’ tens of billions of dollars to banks (they must have been spooked, making three releases through the day). ‘Releasing’ really means borrowing money in the name of the taxpayer and putting that money at risk in a shaky market. China now has the power to make our credit rating tank.

“Companies can’t do it. Non profits can’t do it. Countries can’t do it (for long anyway).” Things will change.

http://coburn.senate.gov/ffm/index.cfm?FuseAction=Hearings.Home&ContentRecord_id=61dc1975-802a-23ad-4855-42998cdf8451&Issue_id=

Posted by: pez at August 11, 2007 1:49 PM

Greg,

Yes, we should all be doing what we can to expose the truth about the dangers of Islamic jihad through education. It is indeed a war of ideas now. You, and Robert and Hugh and commenters here, and various writers understand that and continue with that valueable work. And I agree this Philly columnist wishes for another tragedy just as a means to bring the nation together and for that reason he is wrong in writing what he did.

But there is no doubt about the how the impact of 9/11 had on the collective desire of those of us who new very little about jihadist idealogy. Many of us began our education only after 9/11. So many needed an answer to the most common sense question of that event: Why do they hate us? Many never bothered to inquire, after all, our President told us all about the fringe hijackers of the religion of peace soon after 9/11. Many still find that an acceptable explanation.

There can be no doubt that it was not until after 9/11 that many people around the world began their education on Islam, despite Bush's simplistic analysis. I know I am one of those. The friends and family who I try to educate in my own way are included in that group and I know there are many that come to JW that began to discover about the threat after and because of that catastrophe.

I do not want another 9/11 or similar tragedy. But if it occurs (and we do hear our leaders tell us some terrorist attack will occur, it is just a matter of when and where and what method) we can expect another wave of inquiry by minds seeking answers to the same question about why they hate us so much.

And this time there is much more available to answer those questions. More books, more writers , more educators to more to quickly and effectively answer that question and assist in that education process.

I have mentioned before here that I predict some truamatic, headline grabbing incident(s) in Europe will occur and that will draw the attention of Americans and that will motivate many to begin their anti-jihadist eduction. I was looking forward to see the results of the 9/11 protest in Brussels. I was not hoping for violence to occur, but if it did, and was reported in U.S. newspapers at least it is one way to have the issue brought to the forefront. I am so completely stunned about our politicians absolute refusal to discuss the growth of Islam in Europe. Something must occur to get the attention of U.S. politicians about Europe.

The poster above hoped for "motoon crisis x 1000", by way of riots in the banlieus or collapse of financial systems. I'd rather say that I hope these events do not occur, but if they do, I'd rather they do occur sooner rather than later so that the education process that began post 9/11 can continue on a faster pace.

Posted by: Leave Iraq Now at August 11, 2007 1:54 PM

I would not have selected this particular article to launch "Stupidity Watch". In his defense, he's not saying anything that hundreds of commenters haven't said both here and elsewhere - that it will take another massive terrorist attack to wake people up. That's not an invitation for a terrorist attack - merely an observation about human nature and the facts on the ground. He also seems to be saying that if such an attack is inevitable, it might as well happen sooner rather than later. Reasonable people could agree with that assessment.

Did he phrase it all awkwardly? Yes. But I wouldn't have launched "Stupidity Watch" with an article written by someone who at least appears to understand that the War on Terror isn't merely a "bumper sticker". Apparently 1/3 of Democrats think that 9/11 was possibly an inside job. Given that such a belief doesn't exactly qualify as "dhimmitude", an article along those lines would have made a better starting point for a feature called "Stupidity Watch" than this one.

Posted by: Caroline at August 11, 2007 1:54 PM

I understand the man's frustration, but he's advocating killing flies in the house with a shotgun.

Perhaps more people now would realize who the enemy is and unite against our common foe, but idiots and quislings will remain idiots and quislings.

(sarcasm) If this were to happen (another 9/11), I may be able to get some cash together this time to by airline stock at 25¢ per share. (/sarcasm)

Hopefully he is trying for shock value and doesn't mean this literally. I hope to never see another day like that one. Never again.

Posted by: St. David, King of Georgia at August 11, 2007 1:57 PM

I always thought "Dhimmi Watch" was "Stupidity Watch."

Posted by: Shy Guy at August 11, 2007 2:00 PM

Leave Iraq Now - to echo the sentiments expressed in your post - I am in full agreement with other posters who have expressed in the past that whatever one might say about the Iraq War, probably even more than 9/11, it has served to open up our eyes about Islam. Even setting aside 9/11, if it weren't for the Iraq War would anyone have noticed the demographic jihad in Europe? Would anyone have noted the incompatibility between Islam and liberal democracy? Would anyone have noted the fact that Muslim loyalties lie with the ummah rather than with their host countries? Would anyone have noticed a fundamental problem? No. 9/11 alone didn't do it. Even the invasion of Afghanistan didn't do it. It was the Iraq War that exposed all the fault lines (in the sense of shifting tectonic plates lying hidden beneath the surface).

Has the death toll from our troops in 4 years of war been worth the lesson? I definitely think so, if one conceives of the Iraq war as one battlefield in a long and likely protracted global war that we hadn't even noticed was occurring and that most people still don't seem to recognize is occurring.

Perhaps saying so could earn me a place in "Stupidity Watch". But that's what I think. And I sense that Mr. Bykovsky is merely expressing similar sentiments.

Posted by: Caroline at August 11, 2007 2:18 PM

Another massive terror attack would not unite the nation, sorry to say. They have their talking points:

1. False flag, Reichstag
2. Christians worse terrorists (and many variations of tu quoque)
3. George Bush caused their anger, so we deserve it ("Muslim land" "Muslim rage" etc.)

Never mind the 1993 WTC et al, it's all Bush's fault!

Posted by: Beagle at August 11, 2007 2:33 PM

pez;

The total assets of the United States amount to over 100 TRILLION dollars. This isn't going to evaporate because of a temporary fiscal crisis of rather limited scale (in terms of the whole economic picture).

The current mismanagement of the US economy can be overcome. There is plenty of wealth in the US that could be liquidated if necessary to compensate for the debt mess we have found ourselves in. And there is probably more than enough fat left over to cushion us from Chinese assaults. America's economy really doesn't need the rest of the world's credit.

China's credibility is on the line as well I might add. Not only has it financed genocide in Sudan openly and callously, but not too many people want to buy goods from China (as China's quality control is absolutely ROCK BOTTOM as consumers around the globe have been learning lately). And herein lies an opportunity for Americans:

Perhaps, the United States with its far superior manufacturing technologies can recoup its former place as the world's leading exporter of manufactured and technological goods. There is no doubt that America can produce vastly superior goods to those made by the Chinese and America could potentially pay off its current outstanding debts through increased exports of superior manufactured products.

Posted by: pythagoras at August 11, 2007 2:34 PM

Some excellent comments in this thread by some people who really know something.

My wife and I feel that we, the West, are so far gone that only direct threats such as 9/11 serve to wake us up.

I think that the point of the article in the Daily News was exactly that. Yes, if you take the article at face value, the author is guilty of wishing for the deaths of thousands, but it should be obvious that that is not his point.

The point is that the next one, the next 9/11 is coming, and what invites it?

Our insanity invites it, and our insanity necessitates the sacrifice of thousands, if not more.

And that sacrifice will re-confirm the point of view of mine that resonates with Dhimmi Watch and Jihad Watch : that the West is in mortal danger of succumbing to an authoritarian solution to its drift into materialism and libertinism.

Islam's total (in their minds) subjugation to God is the opposite of our emerging atheism and materialism and its fascistic authoritarianism is the counter to our own left's (ironically authoritarian) anti-authoritarianism.

I maintain that the left is unconsciously attracted to Islam and that many won't wake up until they are imprisoned, in fact, or politically and culturally.

Posted by: ThreadKiller at August 11, 2007 2:43 PM

Stupidity Watch, hmmm...

Sounds a tad on the ambitious side. I mean, consider the quantity.

:-)

Posted by: joeblough at August 11, 2007 2:52 PM

pythagoras;

We probably do have $100 trillion is assets. Aggregate home equity is reportedly $10 trillion and that the total value of the world’s publicly traded stocks is reportedly $50 trillion. But these belong to individuals, not the government. The Fifth Amendment will be a big hurdle to seizing these private assets for public use without just compensation.

Contrast with the 2007 public economic debate about how to expand universal health care, not how to cut Medicaid expenses.

I agree that the West will re-emerge as a leader. But only after this little experiment of ours runs its course.

Posted by: pez at August 11, 2007 3:11 PM

"I maintain that the left is unconsciously attracted to Islam and that many won't wake up untill they are imprisoned,in fact,or politically and culturally."
-Threadkiller

Lest we forget those five year plans (do they still call them 5 year plans? Maybe it's 20 now) which are contingent on adopting necessary evils,in this case alliance with political islam, in order to bring about world socialism.

Problem is we've turned the corner from an informed to an indoctrinated citizenry. Just take a stroll through most institutions of higher learning.

Posted by: We need G.C. Scott at August 11, 2007 3:20 PM

What we need is a leader who is willing to call an Islamic fascist an Islamic fascist, not some idiotic formulation like "evil doer". We can't hope to win until we're willing to properly identify the enemy.

Posted by: joanienobaloney at August 11, 2007 3:38 PM

A "new 9/11" would not help those who still look at the last 9/11 and do not perceive nor understand what they are seeing.

Because YouTube videos are so informative and trustworthy, we now all know that Bush secretly left the Whitehouse each night via "the secret cave" to ensure that the thermite/explosive was properly placed. He used alien thermite because our thermite leaves a distict residue, leaves a smell (burning iron) quite unlike burning jet fuel, and burns with a lightning-like brilliance. Personally, I don't think he used thermite (alien or regular) nor explosives. I think he used the "secret particle cannon" the Apollo missions set up on the Moon. He secretly rigged military planes to look just like commercial jetliners that were flying way over their operating speeds and G limits causing their wings to bow and deform in ways not even test pilots try without ejection seats and parachutes. Bush then paid good shekels to Charlie Sheen to tell the world that these were indeed secret military planes—knowing no one important believes what Charlie Sheen says. He masterminded the cover up so that all his co-conspirators are dead or quietly living in fear in the Azores. It is obvious this is so since not one of them has been brave enough to speak out.

If people believe such ----, why do we think another 9/11 will wake them up? If a news anchorman, trying to make sense of the unbelievable, says in shock the building fell just as if it had been exploded, if a bystander, whom we have no idea how much she saw or how much she knows of aircraft, says it was a small plane, if these persons' statements made in a time of turmoil and confusion are taken as the defining statements of that day, a new 9/11 will not wake them up.

Posted by: St. David, King of Georgia at August 11, 2007 3:42 PM

Since I was a teen, I have seen and starting saying "It is sad, it takes a tragedy to bring people together" sad but true.

Now to have someone actually believe in it!, is a tragedy! If the first one 9-11 brought us here, I can imagine what a second one would do!
What a ridiculous thing to SUGGEST!

Posted by: MZ at August 11, 2007 4:27 PM

Right after that another most stupid statement I have heard! Of coarse it came from Ellis, he said, 'Johnny Taliban Walker should be set free! He was fighting against the "Northern Alliance"!"
Ah, Ellis the Northern Alliance is the "good guys" they are the ones who have kept Afghanistan held to Kabul! He so so PSSSTT" me off-people like this! Stupid-is as stupid does!
Ellis the stupid taliban and Johnny Taliban Walker are fighting US and the Northern Alliance! All these people are from same grain of material! torn sweater made by trade merchants in trade for the United States.
This is freedom of speech, sounds like un-intell speech!

Posted by: MZ at August 11, 2007 4:46 PM

I was totally horrified by 9/11, but it didn't really wake me up to global jihad. Why? Because it was so extreme, I didn't see that it was part of something much bigger and more insidious and relevant not 'just' to the U.S. but to the entire west.

What really woke me up was actually the Danish cartoon crisis. That brought me to this site and LGF for more information: suddenly, the entire world seemed to be bowing to islamist demands. It wasn't a one-off huge crisis, it was an imposition on everyone's freedom, every day. And not by some unbelievably extreme suicide islamists, but by supposedly 'moderate' islamic communities already well established in the west. And supported by feeble politicians, who I soon realised are Dhimmis!

So no, it shouldn't take a violent attack, it should just take more of what this site does: inform everyone of global jihad and islamism in all its guises.

Posted by: Lili at August 11, 2007 5:02 PM

I agree with Caroline above. While I do think that Mr Bykofsky was wrong in desiring that for the goal of uniting the country, what he stated is consistent with the observation of those who think that it would take a few more such attacks for people to be awakened to the threat of Islam - which is what the real goal should be.

Of course, no one in their right mind should root for such an event. However, let's say that Muslims played it wisely and by creeping incrementalism, let the West slowly endorse Shariah an inch at a time, a day would come like the proverbial boiling frog when we'd suddenly come to realize that Western societies aren't that different from Islamic ones when it comes to opposing Islamic supremacy. So the question there would be - would such an end be preferable to some thousands of people dying in terror attacks?

You be the judge.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at August 11, 2007 5:12 PM

The stupidity lies in those individuals who need something big like 9/11 in order to wake them up.

Kinda like reaching past the "Beware of Dog" sign to pet the nice pit bull, and then after it takes your arm off, realizing you should beware of it.

Posted by: freedomschool at August 11, 2007 5:32 PM

Re: "America's fabric is pulling apart like a cheap sweater".

Actually, America is not pulling apart. This is not the pre-civil war or the civil war period. Dissension was much greater in the US (particularly in the North) during the Civil War when Lincoln (in 1864) had to contend with a huge "peace movement" and a pro-Slaveocracy "Copperhead" segment of public opinion that wished for peace negotiations with the Confederacy. Lincoln doubted that he would be re-elected president in '64 and Chase was gearing up to challenge his nomination for reelection. Our times are pussy cat times compared to that period.

What finally quieted the "peace movement" and the pro-Slavocracy appeasers was a sudden collapse of the enemy in late 1864. Lincoln's consistent policy (and military successes of Grant and Sherman in late 64, early 65) vindicated the pro-Union forces. However, the nation (particularly the north) was very divided until the tide suddenly turned. It turned because of the plain honesty, patience and wisdom of Lincoln.

What we need is honesty re who is the enemy. Lincoln believed that only such forthrightness would hold his supporters together. Lincoln never wavered, was never politically correct in stating that the Slaveocracy was the enemy that had to be defeated. Our need is such Lincoln style honesty. Instesd we get "big lies" such as "Islam is a religion of peace". President Lincoln would not have lied about that.

Posted by: Frank at August 11, 2007 5:42 PM

"United"? Certainly not the west as a whole. While there was still a (dim, fading) hope that living victims would be pulled from the rubble of the WTC, articles and editorials were posted in the EUropean press, about how the USA would "have to" ratify Kyoto and the ICC and submit to various other demands of theirs, in exchange for their gracious permission to go on the offensive against "islamic extremism". I know. I made a point of looking at the EUropean media sites daily in the weeks after 9/11. The article I described above is the most offensive IMO; you might still be able to find it via google using "golden opportunity to bring the USA back into international fold" which was either the title or the subtitle. It appeared a little over a week after 9/11 in either the London Times or the Telegraph (probably the former-and oddly enough, not the Guardian. Go figure.)

Well then, was the USA united? About two weeks after the attacks, people whom I am forced to claim as my fellow citizens made a big to-do over wearing scarves to "show their solidarity with their sisters, women of cover". And a well-known writer (I THINK it was Anne Quindlan) wrote a column about how "conflicted" she was over her daughter's desire to display the American flag. And then there's the words of Chomsky and Churchill...There are other examples that slip may mind, but those are what i remember, and all a fortnight or so after the attacks.

What I remember from 9/11 : Needing to go to the store that night, and seeing how differently everyone was acting and talking-everything was quiet and hushed,people talking in little groups. It was like a funeral.

Except for the groups of (probable) illegal aliens, who were not only acting like it was any other day, a few seemed downright jovial.

My feelings against more than just islam and moslems hardened that day...

I can sympathize with a desire for unity, and a hope that further attacks would 'educate' people into fighting against dhimmitude. I would like to see good come from evil-the silver lining. But I am not sure PC attitudes and a knee jerk belief in the moral authority of Third Worlders can be overcome even by atrocities-9/11 didn't do it, nor did the Bali night club attacks, nor did the murder of Russian school children, (fill in additional atrocities). I am not sure ANYTHING will wake up at least a certain percentage of our left-leaning citizens, with their knee jerk hatred of the USA , Christianity, and the west in general.

Posted by: labrat at August 11, 2007 5:46 PM

This is just frustration. All through-out the Western World, in the circles of academia, the media, the political class (on all levels), in the unions (for example up here in Canada, with both private and public sector unions organizing mass-boycotts of Israel), and in every NGO the recipe for disaster is full-blown denial (or collaboration). That's the party line and a massive brick wall for us to tear down. How do you overcome the media? Or, if you're like me and you're at university, how do you tell your professor that's he's stark raving mad for insisting that the war in Afghanistan was caused by Zionists? How do you talk with people who shout you down for being a 'racist', 'bigot', or 'imperialist' for even mentioning the word 'Islam'? Honestly, how can you do these things, because I would like to know myself! Knowing what many of us know, seeing pictures of beheaded ten year old girls in Indonesia or video of a triple-suicide-bombing in Baghdad (with the coward holding the camera praising 'Allah Akbar! Allah Akbar!) can mess with anyone's head. To the point where, perhaps, they start to come up with ridiculous ideas designed to 'defeat the enemy' or 'win the war'. These people are just nutters, but they could feed the argument made by such useful idiots like Colonel Ralph Petter (retired).

P.S. I admit though, when I talk to most people who are completely ignorant of what is happening, I do think to myself that, eventually, if certain segments of Western society aren't STOPPED quickly, then sooner or later it will indeed take a large-scale attack to occur before everyone who went to sleep on September 12th wakes up and at leasts condemns morons who think Zionist would even want to visit, let alone wage war, in Afghanistan.

Posted by: TheDiggler at August 11, 2007 5:47 PM

Concerning properly identifying the enemy, said by a poster above, a few months ago I heard Hillary Clinton say that "There are some bad folks out there who want to kill us." That's a direct quote - I was so stunned by it I didn't forget it. I mean, the "kill us" part is certainly correct, but - "bad folks?"

"Bad folks." Is that the saddest thing you've ever heard a politican say? After 9/11 and every other Islamic atrocity following, all she can come up with is "bad folks."

So pitiful it defies belief. Please, no Dhimmicrat President.

Posted by: darcy at August 11, 2007 6:26 PM

He didn't write it in the context of wishing for an attack.
He's writing in the context that, sad to say,. that's what it will take...it's a critique of ourselves...and he is right.

This hypersensitivity is a dead giveaway that anyone who read it thoroughly would at least have the good sense to THINK about it, instead of FEELING about it, which many have done (emotions over logic)...otherwise they wouldn't have gotten so upset in the first place.

This is the same kind of hypersensitivity displayed (only on a much worse scale) by the likes of douggie the druggie hoopty in his ever increasingly desperate quest to shut JW down (although I would never remotely try to cast my colleagues here into the same mental cesspool as hoopty-boy-keyword is "hypersensitivity").

It may not be palatable to accept that notion, that we won't wake up fully until we're hit again, but the way things are going, common sense says that IS what it is going to take...I don't relish it, nor does anyone else here, or anyone else with sense, period...but it IS, nonetheless, an inescapable point.

That's the difference between being academic, and being philosophical, about discussion (I don't use the term "debate" as it's been way too bastardized and overused), regardless of subject.

Posted by: jcom972 at August 11, 2007 6:57 PM

Hell, if it would work, I'd wish for 10 9/11's at once.

Because without something to rouse the sleepwalking West, the slo-mo Jihad (of immigrant Muslim "refugees" and "guest workers" and "students") will undermine the infidel world like the well-known frog in the proverbial slowly-heating pan of water.

I don't think a single new 9/11 would do anything but fuel the self-loathing, anti-American paranoia of the subversive cranks and suicidal fools and pandering useful idiots. (Blame Bush! would become an even louder mantra, causing the West to become more divided and more vulnerable to the Islamofascists' hydra-headed invasion.)

We are going to require a major hurt to wash away the narcoleptic poison of p.c.

As 9/11 provided to be too minor a wound.

The only other hope is that a massive court case- involving the contents of the Koran- finally exposes its bizarre and violent preachings to the ignorantly slumbering infidels in the U.S.

And finally shocks them awake with its brutality, venality, lust and bloodlust.

Let's hope the Koran flushing at Pace U. is that case.

It should have been the controversy of Keith Ellison's "swearing in" on an anti-Constitutional document to "uphold the Constitution".

But no scholars, journalists, tv talking heads, religious leaders, politicians, Hollywood loudmouths/ "radical" film-makers, etc. know enough about the Koran to understand the stuptifying absudity (and mocking insult to the intelligence of we infidels) that swearing to defend a secular state on the playbook of a theocratic tyranny demonstrated.

Or were they just too cowardly?

Posted by: profitsbeard at August 11, 2007 7:40 PM

As someone experienced in both the academic and entertainment industries,

...I would expect you to recognize when someone is being deliberately facetious to make a point, Greg. As far as I can tell, Stu is saying, with his tongue-in-cheek rhetorical device, that Americans need to stop the bickering in terms of political interests and stand united against the Islamist threat. His use of a deliberately farcical call for an attack is more transparent than it needs to be, but apparently you are having trouble seeing through it. Lighten up.

In any case, without calling for another attack -- and may the good Lord preserve the world from even one more innocent life lost to the "Jihad" -- it is an easy call that when another such blatant attack takes place there will be a shortlived rally of unifying outrage that draws Americans together on the issue of the day. A greater need, however, is to create a long term sustainable unified front, at least in the war on Islamism/Jihad (let's stop calling it a war on terror). It will, apparently, take more than another 9/11 for this to happen. Lets see if we can figure out how it can be accomplished, however, with less.

Posted by: Archimedes2 at August 11, 2007 7:46 PM

Can we call this Academia Watch? Maybe we can persuade Tonya Greipenweiner to contribute.

Posted by: Jauhara Al-Kafirah at August 11, 2007 8:21 PM

There's already an "academia watch" (in a sense) at the site of David Horowitz:
http://www.frontpagemag.com
...but, there are plenty of issues to pursue regarding academia's infestation problem with islamists which we can pursue here...and they MORE than qualify for "Stupidity Watch"...lol

Posted by: jcom972 at August 11, 2007 8:28 PM

From Profitsbeard:

"The only other hope is that a massive court case- involving the contents of the Koran- finally exposes its bizarre and violent preachings to the ignorantly slumbering infidels in the U.S.

And finally shocks them awake with its brutality, venality, lust and bloodlust.

Let's hope the Koran flushing at Pace U. is that case."

This is a great point. It falls into the "motton crises x 1000" category. A highly puplicized event with a lot of media coverage- perhaps to a degree of the "Scopes"-evolution trial. No violence, but lots of publicity. In NYC, lotsa media coverage, in viewing distance of where the towers used to be...hmmm

Makes me want to drive a few hundred miles to Pace U. and flush a dozen of their Korans.

Posted by: Leave Iraq Now at August 11, 2007 8:54 PM

I've been thinking that what we need is da'wa watch - to discuss all those seemingly innocuous little 'feelgood' stories that just happen to be about Islam and Muslims and which pop up all over in the oddest of places in the media in non-Muslim countries. It doesn't quite fit under dhimmiwatch, I think.

I have in mind stories such as one I saw in an Aboriginal Australian paper: a feelgood piece about such a nice friendly helpful Muslim (Afghan/ Pakistani origin) who's been tooling around Northern Australia in and out of the indigenous communities (sort of like Reservations) for about 30 years, as well as founding the mosque in Darwin and another in Alice Springs.

The article was all about how he had helped set up this lovely alcohol detox/ rehab program for native people in Alice Springs. But when I read it I thought - da'wa alert! da'wa alert! And I wondered if the folks who printed the story were aware that any Arrernte tribesman who got suckered into Islam via that program, would find himself stuck in a trap with No Exit. (I wrote a Letter to the Editor warning them about the Apostasy Law in Islam and urging the native folks in Alice Springs to Beware of Muslims Bearing Gifts).

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at August 11, 2007 9:55 PM

profitsbeard,

While I have no wish to go through 10 more 9/11's, I also have no wish for continued slow capitulation of the West. If it takes such a horrible display for our enemies to reveal their true colors and be dealt with, I would welcome it. I think that this desire to just have a final showdown is behind the calls some have made to use nukes and other forms of unlimited warfare. It is frustrating to feel that we may be losing when we have enough military power at hand to turn the planet into a cinder. The cliched phrase "With great power comes great responsibility." still holds true, but I do wish it were over.

While I'm wishing, I wish of the Persians and Byzantines (East Romans to be acurate) had realized in the 600's as they decimated each others army that a much greater threat was arising nearby. Had they declared peace, had they joined forces, this blight would not now be upon us.

Posted by: St. David, King of Georgia at August 11, 2007 10:02 PM

St. David-

Pick up a copy of the 1939 time travel novel by L. Sprague de Camp entitled "Lest Darkness Fall".

He had the idea about the late Romans and impending Islamic threat and wrote an intriguing thought experiment about it. (Page 180 in the hardback, specifically.)

The Koran is the problem, not "Muslims".

They are its primary victims.

I want them liberated from its morbid clutches.

Then we won't have to fight them.

Whatever gets the viciousness in the Koran better known is vital to our survival.

Publicity that points to its specific calls to terror is essential.

Posted by: profitsbeard at August 11, 2007 10:24 PM

profitsbeard,

I will try to find this book, thanks.

I agree that it is the ideology of Islam we are fighting more than the Muslim people. These poor people are trapped in a tyranny that threatens to kill them (and often does) if they try to escape. They are told that either they put up with the hell that is Islam or they will go to the hell that Allah has made. These poor people live their whole life in an Orwellian 1984 world. They are told the most horrible anti-human pro-death statements are the will of their god. No wonder so many of them become nut cases. I would certainly prefer to free their minds than fight their bodies. Their religion reminds me of badly written sci-fi novels.*

*I'm not refering to 1984 here.

Posted by: St. David, King of Georgia at August 11, 2007 11:12 PM

They dont need to 'hit' us, unless it's for revenge.
They can beat us without firing a shot.
Immigrate, multiply and produce voters. Gain political power, take over, impose Sharia.
And we stand there and watch because it is the American way.
Well we need to change our ways just a little bit.
We need to recognise a snake oil salesman in a suit, when we see one. They used to run those fellows out of town. Now the snake oilers wear robes and turbans, and little tin foil helmets that say 'dhimmi' across the front. It's not as easy to run the oilers out of town as it used to be. The dhimmi's in the tin helmets protect them now.
'The People of the Tin Foil Helmets', invented
something called PC, and another concept called multiculturalism. They use these as a club in warding off any opposition to oilers. Eventually, regular folks are going to have to take that club away from them, and make them eat it...

Posted by: duh_swami at August 11, 2007 11:31 PM

"Stupidity Watch..."

Vaste programme, monsieur.

Posted by: Hugh at August 11, 2007 11:40 PM

swami, ya got a point...

That's exactly what the palestinian sect of islamists planned with the charade called the "peace" accord with Israel-masquerading as "right of return", which Israel saw right through, and promptly rejected out of hand (forget the fact that the terrorist arafat got EVERUTHING else he demanded, except for that ONE he wanted most).
The preplanned "intifada" was in response to not getting it.

Now, they plan to do to US what they failed to scam Israel out of...and we're letting them do just that, thanks to the brownshirts of political correctness and their multiCULT machine...
political correctness is killing us worse than they ever could.

Posted by: jcom972 at August 11, 2007 11:41 PM

jcom972-

"Political correctness is killing us worse than they ever could."

Exactly.

PC is a form of intellectual/spiritual AIDS.

Islam would be just another minor ideological infection otherwise ...but it gets dangerously out of hand when our conceptual immune system is compromised by this PC-as-AIDS.

Posted by: profitsbeard at August 12, 2007 12:48 AM

lol...damn 'beard,
That's a helluva correlation...
a retrovirus, attacking the T cells, which produce defenders against invasion of the body, thus rendering the body defenseless, and inevitable death.

Wow...scary, eh?

Posted by: jcom972 at August 12, 2007 12:54 AM

st. david & profitsbeard:

you might find the book Lest Darkness Fall at this site.

http://yamaguchy.netfirms.com

Posted by: no-ilsam-in-ark at August 12, 2007 3:08 AM

there must be one exclusion from Stupidity Watch and that is Hollywood.

to include that would be a 24/7 posting requirement alone.

Posted by: no-ilsam-in-ark at August 12, 2007 3:14 AM

Pogo said---"We have met the enemy and he is us."

Certainly a truth if I ever heard one!

Politicians fiddle while our corporate "Rome" burns.

The huddled masses only want entertainment and bloodier sporting events. They flip back and forth from cage fighting matches to news programs about Britany wearing or not wearing any panties or how Paris is doing during her latest incarceration.

The MSM inserts just enough P.C. pablum to slowly numb the mind and senses to the approaching wolf pack.

J.W. tries to alert but is shouted down by the crowd saying "crucify him" for daring to tell us the truth.

The Churches that filled to capacity for a few weeks after 9/11 were all back to normal in a few more weeks. The crowds came for "fire" insurance rather than gleen truth and wisdom from Wisdom Himself.

Wisdom shunned when we need it the most.

That wonderful God given spirit of Love and unity we felt right after 9/11 evaporated like a mist on a hot day. An insult to the generation that stayed focused and unified for the 5 years of W.W.2.

A moral "war" President who prays for Wisdom each day in the oval office is vilified at home and around the world. His popularity ratings in the tank.

We have become like Red Coats marching down the middle of the road blissfully unaware of awaiting ambushments behind each tree trunk.

We continually and ignorantly insist on repeating the same bone head mistakes made time after time in our countrys short history. A convenient, willful forgetfullness.

Time for another 9/11?---God forbid!!--But sadly inevitable.

Posted by: guide inside at August 12, 2007 4:11 AM

Reality is often horrible. The reality is, unless the West is hit brutally hard (such as a major city destroyed by a nuclear explosion) or an ultra-articulate, knowledgable, and brave leader emerges (a blend of Robert Spencer, Steve Emerson, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Brigitte Gabriel, Winston Churchill, and Ronald Reagan) our wonderful civilization will continue to slip away and be taken over by Islam.

They are just too crafty (immigrating & multiplying, lying, playing victim, etc.), while our societies are too comfortable and brainwashed by the left in multiculturalism, immigration of incompatibles as good, PC, etc. so that we'll continue to appease until it's too late.

Many European nations are almost already there. They could still save themselves if roused enough, but only will if awakened by an extreme event.

Posted by: tjn at August 12, 2007 7:37 AM

To many video games. This is life, not the Matrix. That is Stu's problem and to some extent the general public's. They (the public) have an excuse for apathy. Jobs are gone, schools are being strangled, food unsafe, and medical care a nightmare. The easiest thing to do is play a game. Stu however is foolish beyond description.

Posted by: eneri at August 12, 2007 10:30 AM

sick, Stu, just sick. Perverted.

Posted by: bonncaruso at August 12, 2007 1:58 PM

At the time of 911, I was already awake to the dangers Islam oposed to us. My wakeup day came almost 10 years ago, at the time of the Luxor atrocity in November 1997, when around 60 tourists were slaughtered by Muslims. I had already read about tourists being murdered in Egypt before then, and had started having such thoughts over the preceeding years as "Islam seems to be a religion of terrorists", "Every time there is a terrorist atrocity, Muslims seem to be behind them", and noticed that Palestininans didn't want peace with Israel. Just casual observations started to make my mind up that we were dealing with a murderous cult cast as a religion. But Luxor confirmed everything, absolutely. I was in no doubt whatsoever that Islam is evil. Three decades of seeing US flags burned in the street by screaming savages, then the gloating, singing and dancing by these said savages in the aftermath of 911. Nobody could persuade me by 1997 that a tiny minority of Muslims are hostile to us, despite their attempts to do so. But now, the number of folks who agree with my views on Islam is greater than those who still see me and my ilk as fascists.

Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at August 12, 2007 4:43 PM

so stu is "foolish beyond description"
is he now?
mmmmHMMMMM...now where have I heard that before?

Oh yeah, now I remember...a history lesson.

There was this guy, Admiral James Richardson, a distinguished officer, who was branded with such similarity (if not exact phraseology as above), because he complained about our national stupidity, naivete`, et al...he said our fleet was a target waiting to happen after they got redeployed out of their home.
He dared say what many were too afraid to admit-the truth, at that time (just as now), perhaps it was from naivete`, or stupidity, or maybe even because it wasn't politically correct then either.
After daring to do what others wanted to, but didn't out of fear of "rocking the boat", he was relieved by another who, although agreed with him totally, was also too afraid to "rock the boat", and paid the price beyond spades, even to this day, long after his death.

Admiral Richardson never could've dreamed how right he would prove to be within a year.
His relief? Admiral Husband Kimmel
The time? 1941
The place? Pearl Harbor
The result? take a guess, along with the same
"oh, you're just paranoid!" coliseum-esque crowd of folks, who change directions on a dime, and more often than the wind, now screaming of all things,
"Why didn't anyone see this coming?! HMMMMMMM????"

While we know we can't make a liar out of Lincoln, we also can't make a liar out of Santayana either.
I just hope we don't have to face reminiscence of Will Rogers:
"There are 3 kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence & find out for themselves."
'nuf sed

Posted by: jcom972 at August 12, 2007 10:15 PM

One month from The Anniversary, I'm thinking another 9/11 would help America.
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Not only is this evil, it is incredibly foolish.

It is true that 9/11 was a wake-up call for some--and I include myself here to some extent. Ever since the hijackings of the 1970s when I was a kid, through the American hostage crisis in Iran and the endless acts of terrorism in Israel and the 1993 bombing of the WTC, I was becoming more and more alarmed by militant Islam--but it was 9/11 that really led me to systematically educate myself about Islam, to find JW, read the Koran, etc.

But many Americans hardly found 9/11 a "wake-up call". There is frequent and increasingly desperate denial of many people--i.e. Islam is a ROP, tiny minority of extremists, etc.

Even more disturbingly, there were those--from Noam Chomsky to Jerry Falwell--who felt that the US and the West *deserved* 9/11, in just retribution for our many sins (though they may have differed somewhat on just what those sins were).

There are also the deniers--just a week ago there was a lecture on Flight 93--claiming it could not have been a plane crash in that field in Pennsylvania, because the debris field supposedly covered too large an area. What they actually propose happened to this flight and its passengers I do not know, but it is probably safe to say that it flies squarely in the face of logic. Where was this lecture held--some obscure conspiracy theorist's basement? No, it was held at San Francisco's new state-of-the-art Main Library.

If there were (God forbid) another major attack, it is true that more people would "wake up". It is also true that many would blame it on US policy in Iraq (even though we were not in Iraq before 9/11), or on weak US committment to a "Palestinian" peace plan or some such. There are also those who would just jump the shark (again) and claim that George W. Bush or Dick Cheney ordered the hit themselves, to influence the 2008 election.

Also, even for those who would acknowledge that it was Islam terrorism behind the attacks, there is no reason to assume that an increased resolve would be the certain result. After all, after the Madrid bombing, much of the electorate of Spain pretty much rolled over and decided that appeasement would be the best response. I don't think that the US would react like that, but sadly you can't rule it out.

Posted by: gravenimage at August 13, 2007 6:29 AM

I give an A for effort...but...
frisco is odd man out &
This isn't spain...not even close.
If you live in the bay area, I highly recommend getting away from there more often...they're so far away (including their local media) from reality that they wouldn't know american security from american idol. (yes, you're right...they're kooks of the worst caliber and are beyond schizophrenic).
Out here in the real world, it's a far different story.

Posted by: jcom972 at August 13, 2007 7:34 AM

jcom972 wrote:

If you live in the bay area, I highly recommend getting away from there more often...
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jcom, thank you for your comments. Yes, I do live in the Bay Area, in fact, about a mile from where Chauncy Bailey was murdered by a member of Your Black Muslim Bakery.

I am well aware that the Bay Area is *not* reflective of the rest of the country--however, these reprehensible views are hardly restricted to this neck of the woods.

A large percentage of college students believe (or claim to believe) that 9/11 was an inside job, or was at least abetted in some way by the US government.

Presidential candidate Barack Obama, who is currently the number one party fundraiser, said he would deal directly with dictators such as Syria's Assad and even Iran's Ahmadinijad, without *any* preconditions.

Even in the face of the horror of the Hamas takeover of Gaza, Condeleeza Rice--considered by many to be an "expert" on the Middle East--is pressuring *Israel* to make more concessions to the "Palestinians".

As for the much more widespread denial about "the religion of peace", many Christian and Jewish denominations follow this line, as does the White House and the State Department.

I could go on and on--yes, post 9/11 craziness is much more widespread here than elsewhere in the country, but, sadly, it is not the only part of the nation with this problem.

Posted by: gravenimage at August 13, 2007 11:05 PM

No disputing that...pretty sickening, too...
but if you think it's bad in the bay, try the pacific northwest...OMG! LOL...they're beyond illucid (yes, SFO doesn't hold the crown anymore, but they're a close second)-one of whom told me that Bush was (ready for this one?) a shape-shifting alien lizard-and she was serious! LMAO

PS- hated to hear about chauncey-he might've been libby, but he was an ok guy (seen his segments out of the tri-valley & trib papers/links-I'm over in the big valley, so no stranger to the stuff there, partly grew up in Alameda, & 45th & Fairmont-close to that WF bank. Best friend grew up in "ghosttown", yikes).
By the way, thanks for not reading too much into that remark..."getting out more" wasn't meant as a slam, but...you were quick on the uptake, so it's all good. lol

Posted by: jcom972 at August 14, 2007 7:01 AM

jcom 972 wrote:

PS- hated to hear about chauncey-he might've been libby, but he was an ok guy...
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Yes--as I said elsewhere, I may not have agreed with Chauncy Bailey on everything, but I respected the guy. Besides, you don't express your differences of opinion on affirmative action or local school-board policies by calling out a mafia-style hit on those you disagree with--at least, not in a civilized society, you don't.

Chauncy Bailey was the first American journalist murdered in the course of researching a domestic story in over 30 years.

Devaundre Broussard, a 19-year-old handyman at Your Black Muslim Bakery, confessed to killing Bailey last week after his arrest in a police raid. He said he was upset because Bailey was investingating financial irregularities at YBMB. Actually, financial irregularities and tax evasion were the least of YBMB sins--add kidnapping, extortion, the rape of underaged girls, assault, malicious vandalism and property destruction.

There have been suspicious deaths involving internal power struggles, "apostates", and two local homeless men who were doing nothing worse than bringing down local property values.

Needless to say, it is unlikely that Broussard acted alone.

The most recent update should be no surprise to anyone familiar with this sect's tactics--Broussard went back on his admission, saying that he had been savagely beated by the police and forced to confess.

Posted by: gravenimage at August 14, 2007 12:39 PM