Hopefully, it was a sting operation and they will be able to identify the person(s) who passed along the info. If not, then hopefully the US has learned that many Pakistanis aren't our allies and that we'll act accordingly.

Posted by: eve_anne_gelical at August 11, 2007 9:09 PM

Memo to: Mr. Bush, Mr. Cheney, Ms. Rice, Mr. Gates, Gen. Hayden, The Hon Mr. Reid, The Hon Ms. Pelosi, and Gen. Patraeus (et al):

From: The Free World

The gig is up with Pakistan. Time to roll up the sleeves and lay it on the line with President General Pervez Musharraf: "You deal with these camps now, or we will."

Have a nice day!
------------------------------
Of course, nothing of the sort will happen. Our Democrat "wanna be" Burrak Obama comes close by stating something along these lines. Will it happen?

Nah. Wishful thinking. Just another "ally" taking our jizya and flaunting it before us.

Think carefully, people, when November '08 finally comes.

Posted by: boneshack at August 11, 2007 9:19 PM

"On-the-ground intelligence from both sides of the national border indicate all camps but one, operated by a hardline Islamist mullah, have been dismantled and all Taliban commanders, as well as leaders of Arab insurgent groups in the country, have disappeared."

Has it occurred to "one side" that the "other side" is the enemy, and one does not share intelligence about the enemy with.. THE ENEMY? ........ during a WAR?... GAWD!

Posted by: Alert at August 11, 2007 9:19 PM

The Pakistani intelligence service [ISI] is notoriously anti-American and pro-jihadist. Somehow I doubt we need to relearn that. The vacant camps really show that the Taliban is capable of making sane decision for self-protection. There is tons of "chatter" on up-coming operations; they most certainly don't want to get caught on the ground by our guys.

Posted by: spinoneone at August 11, 2007 9:21 PM

Charles over at LGF has a post up reporting that the reason the camps have emptied is that the jihadis have mobilized for operations.

This make more sense because no doubt the paks and us have known the locations for a long time. And... we've known that they've known and vice versa....so therefore the intelligence leak theory leaks water.

Just my 2 cents

Posted by: RecoveringHog at August 11, 2007 9:46 PM

The bases should have been destroyed. Our future depends on getting the girl scouts and lawyers out of the war business.

This is criminal

Posted by: infidel! at August 11, 2007 9:52 PM

Ein Volk, ein Ummah, ein Muhammad!!

or "We're all Taliban now"-

http://sheikyermami.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/muhammad_hitler.jpg

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at August 11, 2007 9:56 PM

What was that Obama said?

Posted by: alexb at August 11, 2007 9:56 PM

(wow, Robert, that was fast...barely found it an hour or so ago, lol)

Well, alert...
the MSM has been leaking intel to the enemy from the word "go" (masquerading as "journalism", but that's no secret, surprise or news at all), so this is of no further surprise, just confirms what even the military long suspected. ISI is compromised.
There may well be an angle we haven't considered (hint)...one that may have meant intentional leak:

No, I highly doubt Musharraf did this, but the ISI definitely did-and their position is the same as that speaker the other day. Keep in mind, we KNOW the ISI is infested with enemy sympathizers.

While I think it would be totally assinine of our intel to do this (from a general standpoint), there is a good point as well...and more afoot than we know...
...what I did find out was that they left in one helluva big hurry, panicked as hell...so there's a psychological advantage there (that of them knowing we've been watching them in place for some time, and they cannot hide like they thought).

There's a lot we don't know on the details behind the scenes, so follow me on this...The $64,000 question:
"why would we do this knowing enemy infestations in ISI would pass it on to taliban & al qaeda?"
(presume for a moment, the "chatter" threats are/were real, and an attack is/was imminent this weekend)
Being this close in timeline to the latest "chatter" threats, it's a good bet that there may have been an 'abort' order for the weekends terror hits upon hearing of our target aquisitions, the home camps scattering frantically, as they'd assume we would find targets to repond to, such as those very same camps we've been watching for some time, resulting in that very same frantic, panicked evacuation they just displayed.
(I hear cranial light bulbs going off out there)

If we find out that proves to be true, then it would make sense for us to risk passing "bait", knowing full well it's GOING to get to the enemy, for the purpose of throwing the enemy off-balance, by giving it to those we KNOW to be aiding and abetting the enemy, and force them on the defensive before they can commit to an attack (preventive measures resulting in nothing happening: small price to pay to keep our cities from looking like Chernobyl).
Such things have been done before many times,so it's nothing new, and won't be the last time.

Remember, if we gave intel like that away (knowing we were able to track them down, and target them, even as concealed as they were/are), there's a backup intel to take its place...in this case, we proved we can also track their movements to their new encampments (and fresh target aquisition withOUT telling them next time), and that WILL keep them guessing in paranoia. The ISI also knows they've been had, too.

Some aspects of this reminds me of a historical "bait" as well from 1942:
"AF reports fresh-water condenser has broken down"
(see "Battle of Midway")

Sometimes working with an enemy, even a "friendly enemy", can yield results, and make an enemy blink...hence, the term:
"Keep your friends close, and your enemies CLOSER"
(bigger hint)

;-)

Posted by: jcom972 at August 11, 2007 10:09 PM

Re: U.S. shares info about Taliban bases with Pakistan, bases disappear
Voila! Friend and Ally Update: "Oh where, oh where have Taliban gone?," from WorldNetDaily.com (thanks to Jcom):

The constant lies of so many Muslims is the reason "reason" will not prevail with them (any more than it will prevail with slanderers at CAIR). I know that Robert believes otherwise since I got reprimanded from him (and a deleted post prior to that-LOL) for a view that suggests that only ruthless (Sherman style) force will win this argument with this supremacist ideology.

It is impossible to reason with liars. I do not foresee a logical-reasonable-critical analysis based conclusion in this matter. I think future history will prove I am right. However, I hope Robert is right and that I'm wrong. But I would bet on my view-not Robert's.

Posted by: Frank at August 11, 2007 10:42 PM

What I don't understand is if we located these bases, why didn't they disappear ASAP via a cruise missile top begin with? Those are stealthy and probably could have been fired in without the Pak government even knowing about it. And if/when they figured it out...it's easier to beg forgiveness than get permission.

Posted by: livefreeordie! at August 11, 2007 10:53 PM

This type of thing is no big surprise to me. I worked with Pakistani's in Somalia as part of UNISOM (1993). We learned quick not to give them the "correct" time for our Opns. briefings and if they were present we had to be very careful what we told them. It was common knowledge that any missions that the Paki's were in on would be compromised and result in a "dry hole". At that time it was believed that they were getting money from the various clans for tip-offs to planned raids and searches.

Posted by: PIVO at August 11, 2007 10:59 PM

Will this comedy be syndicated? Will there be re-runs? Or will it be brought to a close right now?

Posted by: Hugh at August 11, 2007 11:19 PM

That settles it. We'll have to do it ourselves. If they don't like it, they can be next.

Posted by: angryeagle at August 11, 2007 11:53 PM

The Pakistani ISI Intelligence bureau set up the Taliban and it still has its contacts in it and many suspect still has active ties after 2001.

So, unless the United States wants the Taliban to have advance warning of military actions against them, the Pakistani intelligence services should be treated as compromised at best and enemies at worst.

Gen.Musharaf is under a lot of pressure from these pro-Taliban elements in Pakistani security.
Information sharing should be on a “need to know basis only”.

Posted by: purplemarbles at August 12, 2007 12:10 AM

"Dresden" the joint

then drop 1776 pounds of pork rinds, still in their 1 oz. "snack machine" bags . . .

"Dresden" once more

/recipe for Victory [ref 8/6 and 8/9 of '45]

Posted by: Crunchy Jello at August 12, 2007 12:14 AM

purp`,

Our side has known that for a very long time now, so
I firmly believe that very same knowledge (that the ISI is long compromised) was purposely used for what I referred to in my earlier post above, and for the very same reasons I stated.
It's only one small card in a very large hand.

Posted by: jcom972 at August 12, 2007 12:22 AM

Hugh-

"...reruns?..."

Worse.

Franchises and Sequels.

Posted by: profitsbeard at August 12, 2007 12:31 AM

Isn't the whole of Pakistan one big Taliban base ?

Posted by: bajirao at August 12, 2007 12:55 AM

not quite...but it's getting there ever more so.

Posted by: jcom972 at August 12, 2007 1:07 AM

the Hiroshima and Nagasaki Atom Bombs ended a War w/ Japan 6 days after the latter was dropped

many in Japan had scorched flesh and deadly reax

Japan started the War in '41

we made them surrender in '45 w/ the Two Bombs

What are we going to do now ?

I choose Harry's approach -- wished it happed on 9/12/01

Posted by: Crunchy Jello at August 12, 2007 1:12 AM

Why do we keep trying to deal with these Islamic societies as if there's any chance that any of them are, or every will be, loyal friends to us?

I think it's time we cut and run. WE should first destroy Iran's nuclear facilities, and then we should notify the other Muslim countries that we're tired of dealing with their irrational behavior and dysfunctional religion, and therefore we're going home. And then we should leave. Period.

Posted by: rational at August 12, 2007 1:16 AM

CAIR rules this hub, bubba,,,you better watch your step,redneck..

Posted by: Madduck at August 12, 2007 1:28 AM

This is like writing to the foxes and saying, "Look here, and here. These are the places from which the foxes are launching their raiding parties on our chickens. Please do something," signed, The Chicken Farmers.

Posted by: Alaskan at August 12, 2007 1:32 AM

TO RATIONAL:

I am with you; pull out of islamic lands once and for all -- 3 months later "Dresden" the worst spots and colonize all of their oil fields [deserts]; cite National Security Concerns whilst teling the islamic caliphate "You Have No Chance, deal with your dead and F off"

/answer

Posted by: Crunchy Jello at August 12, 2007 1:49 AM

cair is in charge here..watch your post rednekker

Posted by: Madduck at August 12, 2007 1:59 AM

Has anyone else had it up to here^ with the silly naivete of the Bush administratiion? Their level of knowledge makes them look like a bunch of simpletons. "Gee, Condi, if we consistently refer to them as moderates I'm sure they'll come around.

We never would have had the successes in WWII if Bush would have been the President..

*** jcom97, I hope you're right.

Posted by: Kemaste at August 12, 2007 2:16 AM

bet you didn't know i was a muslim cleric,,
i cast fatwa here and fatwa there,,i'm a fatwa casting muttha f&&ka....heehee..mo fu%%in fatwas
is what i do..

Posted by: Madduck at August 12, 2007 2:20 AM

This is quite scary.
It makes Mubarack Hussien Obama look like a pretty intelligent guy ....gulp....

Posted by: Leave Iraq Now at August 12, 2007 3:51 AM

Even the Dhimmicrat[ic] President William Jefferson Clinton had no problems about "lobbing a few cruise missiles" into Libya and Afghanistan on a wag-the-dog occasion or two..

..AND NOW we have a *REPUBLICAN* wo-called "warmonger" President who can't possibly convceive of doing the very same think in Waziristan??!!!

I'll be damned.. OR the Driveby MSM have REALLY clouded our collective THINKING!!!

Posted by: Allahfanculo at August 12, 2007 4:32 AM

Patience!

jcom972's take is...interesting, isn't it?

Posted by: Don Jackson at August 12, 2007 5:42 AM

Assalamau LAikum all,

Baj says "Isn't the whole of Pakistan one big Taliban base?"

THAT is just the kind of thing ignorant kaffur think but need to away from.

Allah T'allah SWT guides the action of the true Pak.

You cannot MUST not hold us all responsible.

Posted by: Naseem at August 12, 2007 5:52 AM

Plz tell me about Osama bin ladin and Taliban

> Assalam - o - Alaikum, > > I pray to Allah to continue your service for as long as possible. I have > some questions regarding Islamic Politics and Taliban. In light of all the > events that we have witnessed, do u suggest that Taliban were correct in the > manner they tried to enfore shariah? I mean, surely Islam doesnt allow to be > strict in enforcing shariah in other ppl's lives, like making men keep > beards, and confining women to their homes.... There is a lot of > misconception about Usama bin Ladin as well in the media? I study in New > Zealand and at times it becomes imperative to talk on him. What are your > comments regarding him? Also what should be the model system we should be > following... And were monarchies like the Abassyed and Fatimides and others > like Moghuls in modern times true Islamic Reigns? Plz reply soon... > Allah-Haafiz. > Fuad

Taliban was a valid Shar'ee government. The methods adopted by the Taliban
were in accordance to the Shari'ah. In the Shari'ah. The Imaam (Islamic
ruler) has the right and duty to enforce the external laws of the Shari'ah.
This had been the practice of the four rightly guided Khulafaa Raashideen.

Usama ibn Laadin is an upright Muslim and a devoted Mujaahid of Islam. The
allegations made against him were malicious, and designed to justify the
west's war against Islam. He, himself, has vehemently denied these
allegations. In Islam, the ideal system of appointment of the Ameer is that
of Shura (consultation) with the Ulama. The Ulama or the senior and
responsible members of the society should appoint the Ameer, who will then
appoint his government. This is the most preferred method. However, should a
proper Islamic government be established by other methods, e.g. monarchy,
then as long as they rule in accordance with the Shari'ah, they will be a
valid Islamic government.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Moulana Imraan Vawda
FATWA DEPT.

CHECKED AND APPROVED: Mufti Muhammad Kadwa

Posted by: KAOSKTRL at August 12, 2007 6:10 AM

What do you have against the Taliban Nassen?

Posted by: KAOSKTRL at August 12, 2007 6:14 AM

The info must have been leaked by a gremlin from the ranks of the Tiny Minority of Extremists.
When dealing with Muslims, heed the words of that great American entrepreneur, Al Capone: "Never trust nobody.".

Posted by: jewdog at August 12, 2007 6:38 AM

It is not only the Pakistan Government and the ISI who are involved with the Taliban. There is a more sinister villain behind the scenes.
Saudi Arabia has been promoting Sunni Islamization in Pakistan for the past couple of decades. Besides Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and the UAE were the only two countries to recognize the Taliban officially. Saudi Arabia is bankrolling all that islamic education, those mosques and madrassas spewing fanatics by the thousands.

Saudi Arabia is the fat trunk and roots of the evil tree.

the Taliban, AlQaida and others are mere branches.

Posted by: rocky at August 12, 2007 6:48 AM

All those who were in the Taliban bases have by now merged easily with the local population of Northern Pakistan.

With friends like these, who needs enemies?

Posted by: rocky at August 12, 2007 6:51 AM

The cultivation of poppies, the churning out of militants, the fooling of infidel governments, the fat hand of the Saudis, the ISI, high-level international organized crime... all is connected in Pakistan.

It is high time that Washington learned to treat the Pakistani-Saudi cesspool of vermin with some courage, cold-blood and determination. Velvet gloves are not going to help.

Posted by: rocky at August 12, 2007 6:55 AM

I'm convinced that there are so many jihaddis in so many places in Pakistan that they can hardly even be characterized as collaborators.

Pakistan is more like an jihaddi country barely held in check by pro-western upper class elements and a fairly tough military gov't.

The country itself was produced by jihad against India -- for which there was plenty of popular support.

The taliban were pretty much set up by the Pakistani intelligence agency in the first place (SSI? ISI? I always forget). And the members of Pak intel largely despise Musharaf.

They're passing intel to the Taliban remnants? -- Well yuh think? -- And someone in Washington regards this as a surprise? -- Gimme a Doh!

BTW: Your ordinary man-in-the-street Pakistani is an uncritical, uninformed, barely literate speaker of Urdu, who regards memorizing the koran in Arabic (which he doesn't even understand) as the pinnacle of intellectual achievement, and regards Arabic culture (something he knows little if anything about) as something classy, something to strive for.

The fact that the US-Pakistan relationship hasn't fallen apart already is fairly amazing.

This is going to bite us on the ass.

Posted by: joeblough at August 12, 2007 3:18 PM

Oh, BTW, just in case you weren't upset enough already, powerful factions in Pakistan, supported by the international left and forces in the EU are going after Musharaf's job, in the name of democracy!

Think Turkey.

It's gotten to the point where Musharaf is contemplating making a political deal with Benazir Bhutto (the daughter in law of old-man 10% Bhutto -- it's been all over the Pakistan Dawn for months).

This is not going to be good for the resistance.

And the left loves Bhutto.

Think about what that might mean.

The world might be best off if somebody forced Musharaf's hand to go ballistic on the territories, because it's looking like somebody is going to have to sooner or later. Better him than us. It sure won't be Bhutto and her pals.

Mushie isn't popular on this site, but he's a guy in a tight spot, and unless I miss my estimates badly, the only guy we've got over there. In fact he's the only guy that normal civilized Paki's have got over there. And then there's all those nukes.

If he can't control the situation, we're confronted with the choice of flattening the northern hill country or letting the Saudis have a permanent jihaddi base there by proxy.

We've seen how solid the cheese bags in Washington have been so far, about using WWII force levels in this war.

And don't anybody tell me that the Pak and Afghan Sunnis won't make a deal with Iran.

That would end up as a nuclear Pakistan in alliance with a nuclear Iran.

Posted by: joeblough at August 12, 2007 3:46 PM

When a farmer finds that a field of wheat has become infested with weeds...does he pull the weeds by hand to save the wheat? Not practical. He plows it under and starts over...
Police your own. Don't make us get out the big plow.

Posted by: Alaskan at August 12, 2007 4:02 PM

After seeing the results of our baiting...
(See new thread above: Jihadists decapitate Afghan "US Spy" in Pakistan)
...a clear and unmistakable act of rage and discouragement on their part, looks like someone over there got their parade (planned for their infidel targets in the west) rained on most nastily.
(what they DON'T know is that intel takes a lot more than just HUMINT-that of human recon. They don't think about airborne/spaceborne recon that can spot the mint mark on a coin from 100mi/162km above them)
but...
let them THINK they've "eliminated" the threat to them...
they don't know if they did or not,
they don't know if they're safe now or not,
they don't know anything, short of the thought they may have gotten some source of intel against them,
but they're not absolutely sure.
Paranoia will undoubtedly set it...
beforehand, they didn't think that-
-we already KNEW ISI was compromised
-and that fact we could use to our own benefit... using bait, which has proven historically effective.
All they could think of, in addition to being paranoid as it was, is the 2-dimensional "here & now"...that being "they see us, they've known we were here for some time, and are prime target if our weekend bomb attack on NYC, Miami, LA and such will be responded to immediately, and we'd be dead...we must flee!"
(hint: to know what an enemy thinks, you MUST...THINK...ENEMY-you canNOT think by western standards and transpose-you MUST...THINK...ENEMY.
That's the only way you'll "know thine enemy")

They''ve been displaced, had to regroup and rebuild everything...though quick at it, it's offered us some breathing room to maneuver-enough to concentrate on enemy infiltrators here, who have bomb plans on hold...
Nope, we didn't stop an attack...we did, however, postpone one.

There really was a WHOLE lot gained by us on this:
Results of the weekends countermove-
-We've been given reprieve, short, but enough
-We know we caught them with their pants down
-Their 2-dimensional intel vs our 3-dimensional
-They couldn't believe we'd risk some to save many
(actually we risked nobody-they just picked a scapegoat to behead, hoping he was the leak, lol)
-They don't know how much MORE we know of them
-They're now GUESSING as to how we know what we do
-We know their intel isn't quite as good as thought
-the replay of "FORTITUDE 1944" worked again
-their infiltrators in the west didn't alert them
(likely because they were either caught, killed or in cases of the 5th column, fired)
-We completely took their initiative away from them
(without firing a shot)
...and most importantly,
No cities got hit...
So go ahead, 5th column press, continue your ASSumptions of "nothing happened-it was a hoax", "I can't believe Bush's incompetence!", "how could they possibly be this stupid?!" et al...it will pass, like all the others did before, and it'll happen again...just remember:
"ASSumption is the mother of all f**kups"...
and many have assumed a great deal.

Welcome to the wonderful world of Counterintelligence/Counterterror
...all in a weekends work...
*WEG*

Hey ibby, tell your buddies: YOU LOSE!
;-)

Posted by: jcom972 at August 12, 2007 6:36 PM

Folks, we can verbally massage every aspect of this espionage until the Crusaders come home. But nothing else I am afraid, other than another 'hit' on the USA, will pull USAll together, where we will demand action of our leaders.

United WE Stand, Divided We Fall!

Posted by: stan636 at August 13, 2007 2:22 PM

The only way we can have any effect on these training camps is to destroy them as we find them. Wherever they may be. Let whoever scream, just so the bastards die. We can not allow these camps and Madrassas to keep operating, training more hate mongers and potential killers. Bomb the shit out of them, collateral damage be damned. Even if they were all adult males, the news reports would say half were women and children. Muslims seem to understand better than we do that to report the desired info to stir up more Muslims is more important than the truth.

Posted by: Hebrew Handyman at August 13, 2007 10:27 PM

That won't solve the whole problem, as we have enough being produced by our own *ahem* academia here...but it is a good start.

Posted by: jcom972 at August 14, 2007 12:44 AM